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LAB majority hits new high in the general election betting – politicalbetting.com

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  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,731
    Chris said:

    Have we done YouGov yet? :lol:

    LAB: 46% (-1)
    CON: 24% (+2)
    LDM: 10% (-1)
    RFM: 8% (+1)
    GRN: 7% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @YouGov, 27-28 Jun.
    Changes w/ 20-21 Jun.

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1674413501362888704

    It is amazing. In terms of uniform swing, it would be 17% Con to Lab and 8% Con to LD. But in a situation where antipathy to the Tories is the dominant driver, tactical voting will inevitably make that much worse for the Tories in Con/LD marginals.
    Compare that to the actual result in 1997, which in terms of uniform swing would translate to 10% Con to Lab and 5% Con to LD.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    Fucksake England. Time to start batting like Boycott

    This sentiment is entirely unrelated to my possession of a ticket for the fifth day at Lord’s

    A man who likes his politics as entertaining and his sport as boring as possible.
    Actually I love bazball. Usually. Fast hard aggressive cricket. Smack the shyte out of it

    Just not this test, thanks
    You’ll be there on Sunday bemoaning the boring Boycott style, and shouting at them to go back to Bazball!
    Of course!

    Looks like a nice warm sunny day, too

    🙏🥂
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,284
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SCOTUS rules against affirmative action. 6-3.

    Implications for POTUS2024? Trump loses Florida?
    The decision will be immensely popular with Asian communities. Especially East Asian

    Swings both ways
    And Trump will be taking the credit, with his appointments to the Supreme Court. Asian-American communities have been lobbying hard against this racism for years.
    Affirmative action, as it has evolved, has become absolutely racist

    Asian Americans are deliberately marked down on “likeability” and “sociability” - because they are often more introverted, scholastic and hard working - so the universities can let in more black Americans with much lower SAT scores than Asians

    How can that possibly be acceptable? Outright racism. SCOTUS has made the correct decision

    I think one can understand, if not agree, with some of the ideas behind affirmative action following the Civil Rights Act, but even many of those who advocated for it at the time, now say it’s better to be colour blind.

    If black activist groups want to see more of their groups in college, then concentrate more on schools and home environments, rather than artificially gaming the college admissions process.

    It does get horribly messy and politically charged very quickly though, as does anything regarding race in the US.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,558
    George Eustice in Times Radio's excellent Exit Interviews series.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP4vRtExR68
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    Oh FFS
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,561

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Weird way of forcing someone out of the country.
    One one level yes. On another level, a very effective way of shutting down someones life.

    While I despise the man, the way that you can be black balled (ha!) without explanation and very little recourse from any bank is concerning. Especially since it doesn't have to be hard evidence based.

    A further concern is that this is often outsourced to third parties. With the result that multiple banks and card issuers are using the same system to identify "problem customers".

    So a provider of anti-fraud data decides that all seals in the legal profession are dodgy. Maybe a childhood trauma involving the zoo and a writ?

    Suddenly, your bank accounts are shut down. Your car loan is recalled. Your mortgage....
    First they came for Nigel Farage, and I said nothing ‘cos I don’t like Nigel Farage…
    Except they first came for many ordinary plebs over the last few years.
    Another fun one. The police search the hard drive of your computer. They find a file they can't open - appears to be gibberish. They claim it is password protected and demand the key.

    Not providing the key, when asked under legal sanction is a crime.

    Forgot the key - no defence? Never had the key - good luck....

    If the file is just a pile of random numbers - you will have to prove that.
    "If the file is just a pile of random numbers"...

    It's probably just some of my code. ;)

    (Actually, truly random numbers can be rather valuable. Just say you're working for GCHQ...)
    Actually, for quite a lot of science.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,629
    😡😡
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,586
    FFS
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    Braindead ball.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,284
    edited June 2023
    Duckett you tw@. You could have been Ben Centuryett!

    So close to having your name on that board. Helmet on and head down, walking through the Long Room.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,561

    Selebian said:

    S&A postal vote has arrived. There's a Nick Palmer (Ind) on the candidate list. Now, I'm not saying it's the @NickPalmer , but... :wink:

    Can I sue for personation???
    Unfortunately, you can't pay for a lawsuit, since we have just withdrawn all your banking facilities. Signed "The Nick Palmer Conspiracy"
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,629
    Looks like the difference is batting discipline. Positive is good, but make it controlled positive!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Pulpstar said:

    SCOTUS rules against affirmative action. 6-3.

    Implications for POTUS2024? Trump loses Florida?
    The decision will be immensely popular with Asian communities. Especially East Asian

    Swings both ways
    And Trump will be taking the credit, with his appointments to the Supreme Court. Asian-American communities have been lobbying hard against this racism for years.
    Affirmative action, as it has evolved, has become absolutely racist

    Asian Americans are deliberately marked down on “likeability” and “sociability” - because they are often more introverted, scholastic and hard working - so the universities can let in more black Americans with much lower SAT scores than Asians

    How can that possibly be acceptable? Outright racism. SCOTUS has made the correct decision

    I think one can understand, if not agree, with some of the ideas behind affirmative action following the Civil Rights Act, but even many of those who advocated for it at the time, now say it’s better to be colour blind.

    If black activist groups want to see more of their groups in college, then concentrate more on schools and home environments, rather than artificially gaming the college admissions process.

    It does get horribly messy and politically charged very quickly though, as does anything regarding race in the US.
    Yes. Having just toured some very racially sensitive parts of America - Monticello! Antietam! Alexandria! - I hope I understand, better, the urge to right the evils of the past. But reverse racism against whites and Asians really isn’t the way to do it, not any more - and, as I say, affirmative action is also pragmatically pernicious and corrosive of the American university system
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    There won’t be a fifth day, will there? Sigh
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    We need rain
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,561
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Weird way of forcing someone out of the country.
    One one level yes. On another level, a very effective way of shutting down someones life.

    While I despise the man, the way that you can be black balled (ha!) without explanation and very little recourse from any bank is concerning. Especially since it doesn't have to be hard evidence based.

    A further concern is that this is often outsourced to third parties. With the result that multiple banks and card issuers are using the same system to identify "problem customers".

    So a provider of anti-fraud data decides that all seals in the legal profession are dodgy. Maybe a childhood trauma involving the zoo and a writ?

    Suddenly, your bank accounts are shut down. Your car loan is recalled. Your mortgage....
    First they came for Nigel Farage, and I said nothing ‘cos I don’t like Nigel Farage…
    Except they first came for many ordinary plebs over the last few years.
    Another fun one. The police search the hard drive of your computer. They find a file they can't open - appears to be gibberish. They claim it is password protected and demand the key.

    Not providing the key, when asked under legal sanction is a crime.

    Forgot the key - no defence? Never had the key - good luck....

    If the file is just a pile of random numbers - you will have to prove that.
    Of course, it wouldn't even have to be a file as you can store data without a file system.

    It might be an unused partition that you wiped with random data and someone takes a dislike to.


    There's a lot of failure to understand technicalities when it comes to legislation. Look at this plan to break end to end encryption that keeps coming back.

    Combined with people losing social credit - which is essentially what this is about - it really isn't good.
    Watching politicians continually attempting to ban mathematics, would be very funny if it wasn’t so damn serious.
    “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.”

    An actual person said that. Capable of breathing on their own and everything.

    It comes back to a legalistic view of the universe.

    The law in preeminent. If the law issues a warrant to get information, then it must be obtained. Anything that blocks that is obviously an Obstruction Of Justice. If someone has a safe with information in it, the court can order it opened. An un-openable safe is, a pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.

    Therefore end to end encryption is nothing less than a wholesale, pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,629
    Not sure we will have to face the new ball.

    Maybe we will declare soon 😈
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    We need two hours of tediousness. Cmon England
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,638

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Weird way of forcing someone out of the country.
    One one level yes. On another level, a very effective way of shutting down someones life.

    While I despise the man, the way that you can be black balled (ha!) without explanation and very little recourse from any bank is concerning. Especially since it doesn't have to be hard evidence based.

    A further concern is that this is often outsourced to third parties. With the result that multiple banks and card issuers are using the same system to identify "problem customers".

    So a provider of anti-fraud data decides that all seals in the legal profession are dodgy. Maybe a childhood trauma involving the zoo and a writ?

    Suddenly, your bank accounts are shut down. Your car loan is recalled. Your mortgage....
    First they came for Nigel Farage, and I said nothing ‘cos I don’t like Nigel Farage…
    Except they first came for many ordinary plebs over the last few years.
    Another fun one. The police search the hard drive of your computer. They find a file they can't open - appears to be gibberish. They claim it is password protected and demand the key.

    Not providing the key, when asked under legal sanction is a crime.

    Forgot the key - no defence? Never had the key - good luck....

    If the file is just a pile of random numbers - you will have to prove that.
    Of course, it wouldn't even have to be a file as you can store data without a file system.

    It might be an unused partition that you wiped with random data and someone takes a dislike to.


    There's a lot of failure to understand technicalities when it comes to legislation. Look at this plan to break end to end encryption that keeps coming back.

    Combined with people losing social credit - which is essentially what this is about - it really isn't good.
    Watching politicians continually attempting to ban mathematics, would be very funny if it wasn’t so damn serious.
    “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.”

    An actual person said that. Capable of breathing on their own and everything.

    It comes back to a legalistic view of the universe.

    The law in preeminent. If the law issues a warrant to get information, then it must be obtained. Anything that blocks that is obviously an Obstruction Of Justice. If someone has a safe with information in it, the court can order it opened. An un-openable safe is, a pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.

    Therefore end to end encryption is nothing less than a wholesale, pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathematics-dont-apply-here-says-australian-pm/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,277
    For fans of ancient history, cats, and puns.


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,284
    Leon said:

    We need two hours of tediousness. Cmon England

    We’ve avoided the follow-on. That’s a good start towards having a Day 5.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,558

    George Eustice in Times Radio's excellent Exit Interviews series.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP4vRtExR68

    Serendipitously, five minutes in, Eustice talks about hiding David Cameron's helicopter flight from the press.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP4vRtExR68&t=610s
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,140
    It was going fine until DavidL said on the last thread that Aus had no plan beyond banging it in short.

    All out for under 300 now nailed on.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,629
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    We need two hours of tediousness. Cmon England

    We’ve avoided the follow-on. That’s a good start towards having a Day 5.
    If we get say 330 - 80 behind - AUS get 300 in second innings, we will fancy getting the 380 to win! 👍
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,558
    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Weird way of forcing someone out of the country.
    One one level yes. On another level, a very effective way of shutting down someones life.

    While I despise the man, the way that you can be black balled (ha!) without explanation and very little recourse from any bank is concerning. Especially since it doesn't have to be hard evidence based.

    A further concern is that this is often outsourced to third parties. With the result that multiple banks and card issuers are using the same system to identify "problem customers".

    So a provider of anti-fraud data decides that all seals in the legal profession are dodgy. Maybe a childhood trauma involving the zoo and a writ?

    Suddenly, your bank accounts are shut down. Your car loan is recalled. Your mortgage....
    First they came for Nigel Farage, and I said nothing ‘cos I don’t like Nigel Farage…
    Except they first came for many ordinary plebs over the last few years.
    Another fun one. The police search the hard drive of your computer. They find a file they can't open - appears to be gibberish. They claim it is password protected and demand the key.

    Not providing the key, when asked under legal sanction is a crime.

    Forgot the key - no defence? Never had the key - good luck....

    If the file is just a pile of random numbers - you will have to prove that.
    Of course, it wouldn't even have to be a file as you can store data without a file system.

    It might be an unused partition that you wiped with random data and someone takes a dislike to.


    There's a lot of failure to understand technicalities when it comes to legislation. Look at this plan to break end to end encryption that keeps coming back.

    Combined with people losing social credit - which is essentially what this is about - it really isn't good.
    Watching politicians continually attempting to ban mathematics, would be very funny if it wasn’t so damn serious.
    “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.”

    An actual person said that. Capable of breathing on their own and everything.

    It comes back to a legalistic view of the universe.

    The law in preeminent. If the law issues a warrant to get information, then it must be obtained. Anything that blocks that is obviously an Obstruction Of Justice. If someone has a safe with information in it, the court can order it opened. An un-openable safe is, a pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.

    Therefore end to end encryption is nothing less than a wholesale, pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathematics-dont-apply-here-says-australian-pm/
    Otoh, it would probably not be a successful defence against possession of illegal porn to argue the file in question was merely the binary representation of your favourite large number.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    Why is Smith so weirdly annoying. It’s not just the cheating
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,168
    For anyone annoyed by bazball I think two things need to be remembered. The 2005 side played a version of bazball - 400 on the first day at Edgebaston and a generally aggressive style. It’s also seen us turn around a run of one win in 17 into 11 from 13.

    I also remember many timid, cowed Engalnd sides who would still lose, just without any fight, and certainly a lot less fun.

    Remember we are playing the best team in the world. I would have taken the current match situation at stumps last night.

    And Lyon looks to have torn a calf muscle, so is likely out for the rest of this match and possibly the next too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636

    For anyone annoyed by bazball I think two things need to be remembered. The 2005 side played a version of bazball - 400 on the first day at Edgebaston and a generally aggressive style. It’s also seen us turn around a run of one win in 17 into 11 from 13.

    I also remember many timid, cowed Engalnd sides who would still lose, just without any fight, and certainly a lot less fun.

    Remember we are playing the best team in the world. I would have taken the current match situation at stumps last night.

    And Lyon looks to have torn a calf muscle, so is likely out for the rest of this match and possibly the next too.

    I don’t think many on here are bemoaning bazball. It’s fantastic entertainment. It’s just me moaning that I won’t get any fifth day action
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783
    Interesting rise, given several of the GOP front runners are pretty lukewarm on the subject. Of course, it may have been down to the CIA inspired mutiny or something.

    Solid majorities of Americans support providing weaponry to Ukraine to defend itself against Russia and believe that such aid demonstrates to China and other U.S. rivals a will to protect U.S. interests and allies, according to a Reuters/Ipsos survey.

    The two-day poll that was concluded on Tuesday charted a sharp rise in backing for arming Ukraine, with 65% of the respondents approving of the shipments compared with 46% in a May poll.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/most-americans-support-us-arming-ukraine-reutersipsos-2023-06-28/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,168
    Leon said:

    For anyone annoyed by bazball I think two things need to be remembered. The 2005 side played a version of bazball - 400 on the first day at Edgebaston and a generally aggressive style. It’s also seen us turn around a run of one win in 17 into 11 from 13.

    I also remember many timid, cowed Engalnd sides who would still lose, just without any fight, and certainly a lot less fun.

    Remember we are playing the best team in the world. I would have taken the current match situation at stumps last night.

    And Lyon looks to have torn a calf muscle, so is likely out for the rest of this match and possibly the next too.

    I don’t think many on here are bemoaning bazball. It’s fantastic entertainment. It’s just me moaning that I won’t get any fifth day action
    You are, with self interest, but others have too when players get out. They seem to want the attacking style but not getting out to loose shots. It’s difficult to have both.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    And so we collapse
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    No! Touched the turf!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,358

    For fans of ancient history, cats, and puns.


    But Epurrialtes might still have betrayed him

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    edited June 2023
    Winviz is bollocks.....a few minutes had England at 50% to win.

    There is no way when you are still 200+ run behind in a 1st innings against 400+ & going to have to bat last you are 50% to win.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,586
    edited June 2023

    For anyone annoyed by bazball I think two things need to be remembered. The 2005 side played a version of bazball - 400 on the first day at Edgebaston and a generally aggressive style. It’s also seen us turn around a run of one win in 17 into 11 from 13.

    I also remember many timid, cowed Engalnd sides who would still lose, just without any fight, and certainly a lot less fun.

    Remember we are playing the best team in the world. I would have taken the current match situation at stumps last night.

    And Lyon looks to have torn a calf muscle, so is likely out for the rest of this match and possibly the next too.

    It is more that Australia seem to have found a really poor tactic to squash Bazball and England are falling into the trap.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,284
    Rooted.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    That touched the grass!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783
    Stop going after short balls!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,168
    That looked a pretty poor decision.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,743
    England throwing their wickets away
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    edited June 2023
    kle4 said:

    Stop going after short balls!

    It not exactly as if it a super secret surprise plan being enacted here.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,576
    eek said:

    ClippP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Closing them, Mr Farage, or just blocking them? Lots of people have them blocked, and then have to turn up in person at their branch to get them unblocked. Wherever that nearest branch happens to be these days.

    That is the real scandal.
    That doesn't actually sound that onerous. Far worse is if they refuse to tell you why it is blocked or how to unblock it.
    That's the problem with CIFAS markers (and many other things). you can't say anything about why the issue is occurring for want of ending up with criminal charges yourself (extreme example but there are numerous examples of people revealing things at banks (even unwittingly) only to discover they are out due to gross misconduct)..
    I'd suggest something like changing the law so that tipping off rules can only apply for a maximum of 3 months and only up to account closure.

    Lets face it, anyone doing anything deliberately dodgy who gets their account suspended is already tipped off by the time their account gets investigated/frozen regardless of what a bank employee does anyway.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    Fuck this. Smith is a cheating bastard
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,743
    While we are on sport Mason Mount signs for Manchester United for 60 million
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,284
    I wonder if that had been given not out, if the 3rd umpire would have overturned it? Was very close to grounded.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783
    We always knew Bazball would face a great testing moment against the Australians. It mostly held up in the first Test despite the stupid declaration and the tight loss.

    But they seem to be a bit in love with trying to get into their opponents' heads, and instead just mess up their own. The Aussies aren't getting rattled, so just dial it back 2-3 notches.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,576

    While we are on sport Mason Mount signs for Manchester United for 60 million

    Good value but struggling to see Bruno, Mount and Rashford in the same side and getting the best out of any of them.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    England will be lucky to make 300 now. Fifth day receding into lala land

    Fuck it I’ll have a picnic instead
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783
    edited June 2023
    Put money down now on Stokes going for less than 10 in the next 20 minutes, trying a hoick.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,601
    The S&A Conservative campaign team do seem to like going around in a big group.
    https://twitter.com/GregHands/status/1674433316228059140
    The Garden Centre is silver surfer central in the daytime on a week day, so would be interesting to see how they got on there - should be a lot of Con voters, but you'd hope they'd also be knocking people up in less fruitful areas
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    kle4 said:

    Put money down now on Stokes going for less than 10 in the next 20 minutes, trying a hoick.

    Yep
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,743

    While we are on sport Mason Mount signs for Manchester United for 60 million

    Good value but struggling to see Bruno, Mount and Rashford in the same side and getting the best out of any of them.
    Well that is upto the manager to be fair
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    England could have just absorbed the short balls and worn out the bowlers

    Pfff
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 41,944
    All the traditionalists just waiting to pounce on Stokes if we lose this test.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    edited June 2023
    Difference between Australia having 90 mph bowlers who can hurry you up with the short ball vs "enforcer" 78mph Robinson.....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,189

    This 'PM flies in helicopter; LOTO takes the train" seems a little like nonsense. A PM does have rather more to do than a LOTO. Like run the country.

    I look forward to PM Starmer never flying around the country in a helicopter. They even did a portrait of Blair in one:
    https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw135230/Tony-Blair-Helicopter-Flight-from-RAF-Lyneham-to-Battersea

    Or this:
    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/blair-talks-uk-economy-flying-2913702

    Or this:
    https://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/1397294.prime-minister-tony-blair-drops-in-on-halesowen-school/

    etc, etc.

    I think you might have missed the point.

    The one who has pulled his own pants down and given himself a good spanking is Greg Hands by his Tweet. Without Hands's Tweet Sunak wouldn't have been brought into the ironic comedy.
    That seems a rather odd thing to say. And you've obviously missed the other times Sunak's travel arrangements have been cricitised.
    Sunak's travel arrangements were highlighted for debate by Hands's ridiculous Tweet and the comedic and ironic reaction thereof.

    Keep up!
    You mean Greg Hands' tweet today caused the Guardian to write an article last month? My goodness, Hands has an amazing temporal power!

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/may/09/sunak-helicopter-train-southampton-prime-minister-rail

    (To be clear; Sunak's travel arrangements were obviously up for debate well before Hands' tweet.)
    Without Hands's Tweet ProudGranny24 wouldn't have brought the Guardian article up again and reminded us Starmer takes the Train whilst Sunak (has in the recent past) let the RAF take the strain.

    And as to your "well Blair did it" defence. I don't believe that particular warmonger has been PM for almost two decades.
    I hate to keep this conversation going after so long, but at least it's more interesting than the circket...

    Do you agree with the Guardian article's premise?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783
    kinabalu said:

    All the traditionalists just waiting to pounce on Stokes if we lose this test.

    Would be an overreaction, their record since he took over speaks for itself. But Steven Finn is right the Aussies have taken on the ego of the England batters. They are in England's heads, not the other way around. And since they are a better side, that's damaging.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    England still 44% to win....LOL....computer needs turning off and on....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    England could have just absorbed the short balls and worn out the bowlers

    Pfff

    It's honestly a wonder you're not out there batting, you seem to be an expert.
    Have you ever met a sports fan that doesn’t claim ridiculous amounts of expertise?!

    It’s the very definition. It’s what makes sport fun. You shout at the TV “you’re playing like a pathetic girl, I could do better than this” and of course you’re shouting at a professional athlete who is actually 70,000 times better than you
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    Swinging at every high ball. STOP
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,576
    kinabalu said:

    All the traditionalists just waiting to pounce on Stokes if we lose this test.

    Stokes deserves better support than all the moaning on here when things aren't going well. Absolutely earnt it over his captaincy.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,284
    Leon said:

    England will be lucky to make 300 now. Fifth day receding into lala land

    Fuck it I’ll have a picnic instead

    I know why they do it nowadays, but I always liked it when they didn’t sell Day 5 tickets in advance.

    You’d watch the 3rd and 4th days of the match, franticatally calling friends to see if was worth staying up all night driving to a random city, to stand in a queue as the sun came up, hoping to get in a good seat for your fiver, and be on the beers by breakfast time. Many such days spent as skint students, enjoying the camaraderie of a crowd we couldn’t afford to be in otherwise.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    I mean, that’s ridiculous
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851
    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Must have reached our quota of wankers.

    Bye Nige....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    edited June 2023
    Roger said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Must have reached our quota of wankers.

    Bye Nige....
    He might come and join you in the South of France....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,284

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Weird way of forcing someone out of the country.
    One one level yes. On another level, a very effective way of shutting down someones life.

    While I despise the man, the way that you can be black balled (ha!) without explanation and very little recourse from any bank is concerning. Especially since it doesn't have to be hard evidence based.

    A further concern is that this is often outsourced to third parties. With the result that multiple banks and card issuers are using the same system to identify "problem customers".

    So a provider of anti-fraud data decides that all seals in the legal profession are dodgy. Maybe a childhood trauma involving the zoo and a writ?

    Suddenly, your bank accounts are shut down. Your car loan is recalled. Your mortgage....
    First they came for Nigel Farage, and I said nothing ‘cos I don’t like Nigel Farage…
    Except they first came for many ordinary plebs over the last few years.
    Another fun one. The police search the hard drive of your computer. They find a file they can't open - appears to be gibberish. They claim it is password protected and demand the key.

    Not providing the key, when asked under legal sanction is a crime.

    Forgot the key - no defence? Never had the key - good luck....

    If the file is just a pile of random numbers - you will have to prove that.
    Of course, it wouldn't even have to be a file as you can store data without a file system.

    It might be an unused partition that you wiped with random data and someone takes a dislike to.


    There's a lot of failure to understand technicalities when it comes to legislation. Look at this plan to break end to end encryption that keeps coming back.

    Combined with people losing social credit - which is essentially what this is about - it really isn't good.
    Watching politicians continually attempting to ban mathematics, would be very funny if it wasn’t so damn serious.
    “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.”

    An actual person said that. Capable of breathing on their own and everything.

    It comes back to a legalistic view of the universe.

    The law in preeminent. If the law issues a warrant to get information, then it must be obtained. Anything that blocks that is obviously an Obstruction Of Justice. If someone has a safe with information in it, the court can order it opened. An un-openable safe is, a pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.

    Therefore end to end encryption is nothing less than a wholesale, pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.
    The pandemic was a good example, of the inability of lawyers and lawmakers to understand simple science.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783

    kinabalu said:

    All the traditionalists just waiting to pounce on Stokes if we lose this test.

    Stokes deserves better support than all the moaning on here when things aren't going well. Absolutely earnt it over his captaincy.
    He'd earned benefit of the doubt for his approach and tactics. That doesn't mean players throwing their wickets away in the face of an obvious wicket trap is above criticism.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    All the traditionalists just waiting to pounce on Stokes if we lose this test.

    Stokes deserves better support than all the moaning on here when things aren't going well. Absolutely earnt it over his captaincy.
    He'd earned benefit of the doubt for his approach and tactics. That doesn't mean players throwing their wickets away in the face of an obvious wicket trap is above criticism.
    It's not just that, it's the injury to Lyon. That totally changes the outlook of this innings. Not having their first choice spinner means they won't be able to rotate the quicks from the other end. So, bat long enough, and the quicks will tire.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    tlg86 said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    All the traditionalists just waiting to pounce on Stokes if we lose this test.

    Stokes deserves better support than all the moaning on here when things aren't going well. Absolutely earnt it over his captaincy.
    He'd earned benefit of the doubt for his approach and tactics. That doesn't mean players throwing their wickets away in the face of an obvious wicket trap is above criticism.
    It's not just that, it's the injury to Lyon. That totally changes the outlook of this innings. Not having their first choice spinner means they won't be able to rotate the quicks from the other end. So, bat long enough, and the quicks will tire.
    Also add in England are a batter light with the current lineup.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    Stokes seems to be in "thou shall not pass" mode.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,629

    Stokes seems to be in "thou shall not pass" mode.

    Absolutely we need no more wickets tonight!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361

    Stokes seems to be in "thou shall not pass" mode.

    Absolutely we need no more wickets tonight!
    Harry Brook didn't get the memo....
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,576
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    All the traditionalists just waiting to pounce on Stokes if we lose this test.

    Stokes deserves better support than all the moaning on here when things aren't going well. Absolutely earnt it over his captaincy.
    He'd earned benefit of the doubt for his approach and tactics. That doesn't mean players throwing their wickets away in the face of an obvious wicket trap is above criticism.
    Benefit of the doubt? He took over a downtrodden, negative, lost and completely demotivated side and won 11/15 tests so far playing the most attacking test cricket ever played with largely the same players. If he wins this test he will be in the top 10 for most England test wins as captain already and has barely started.

    God knows what he would need to do to get a bit of backing.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,561
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Weird way of forcing someone out of the country.
    One one level yes. On another level, a very effective way of shutting down someones life.

    While I despise the man, the way that you can be black balled (ha!) without explanation and very little recourse from any bank is concerning. Especially since it doesn't have to be hard evidence based.

    A further concern is that this is often outsourced to third parties. With the result that multiple banks and card issuers are using the same system to identify "problem customers".

    So a provider of anti-fraud data decides that all seals in the legal profession are dodgy. Maybe a childhood trauma involving the zoo and a writ?

    Suddenly, your bank accounts are shut down. Your car loan is recalled. Your mortgage....
    First they came for Nigel Farage, and I said nothing ‘cos I don’t like Nigel Farage…
    Except they first came for many ordinary plebs over the last few years.
    Another fun one. The police search the hard drive of your computer. They find a file they can't open - appears to be gibberish. They claim it is password protected and demand the key.

    Not providing the key, when asked under legal sanction is a crime.

    Forgot the key - no defence? Never had the key - good luck....

    If the file is just a pile of random numbers - you will have to prove that.
    Of course, it wouldn't even have to be a file as you can store data without a file system.

    It might be an unused partition that you wiped with random data and someone takes a dislike to.


    There's a lot of failure to understand technicalities when it comes to legislation. Look at this plan to break end to end encryption that keeps coming back.

    Combined with people losing social credit - which is essentially what this is about - it really isn't good.
    Watching politicians continually attempting to ban mathematics, would be very funny if it wasn’t so damn serious.
    “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.”

    An actual person said that. Capable of breathing on their own and everything.
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary claim by Farage.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1674357026921623552

    "Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    The establishment are trying to force me out of the UK by closing my bank accounts. I have been given no explanation or recourse as to why this is happening to me. This is serious political persecution at the very highest level of our system. If they can do it to me, they can do it to you too"

    Weird way of forcing someone out of the country.
    One one level yes. On another level, a very effective way of shutting down someones life.

    While I despise the man, the way that you can be black balled (ha!) without explanation and very little recourse from any bank is concerning. Especially since it doesn't have to be hard evidence based.

    A further concern is that this is often outsourced to third parties. With the result that multiple banks and card issuers are using the same system to identify "problem customers".

    So a provider of anti-fraud data decides that all seals in the legal profession are dodgy. Maybe a childhood trauma involving the zoo and a writ?

    Suddenly, your bank accounts are shut down. Your car loan is recalled. Your mortgage....
    First they came for Nigel Farage, and I said nothing ‘cos I don’t like Nigel Farage…
    Except they first came for many ordinary plebs over the last few years.
    Another fun one. The police search the hard drive of your computer. They find a file they can't open - appears to be gibberish. They claim it is password protected and demand the key.

    Not providing the key, when asked under legal sanction is a crime.

    Forgot the key - no defence? Never had the key - good luck....

    If the file is just a pile of random numbers - you will have to prove that.
    Of course, it wouldn't even have to be a file as you can store data without a file system.

    It might be an unused partition that you wiped with random data and someone takes a dislike to.


    There's a lot of failure to understand technicalities when it comes to legislation. Look at this plan to break end to end encryption that keeps coming back.

    Combined with people losing social credit - which is essentially what this is about - it really isn't good.
    Watching politicians continually attempting to ban mathematics, would be very funny if it wasn’t so damn serious.
    “The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia.”

    An actual person said that. Capable of breathing on their own and everything.

    It comes back to a legalistic view of the universe.

    The law in preeminent. If the law issues a warrant to get information, then it must be obtained. Anything that blocks that is obviously an Obstruction Of Justice. If someone has a safe with information in it, the court can order it opened. An un-openable safe is, a pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.

    Therefore end to end encryption is nothing less than a wholesale, pre-emptive Obstruction Of Justice.
    The pandemic was a good example, of the inability of lawyers and lawmakers to understand simple science.
    The refusal of the COVID virus to obey the law demonstrates the threat it poses to society.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783
    I don't know how bitter UK judicial dissents are, but ones in the US Supreme Court are pretty blistering. Though in this decision today about affirmative action in college admissions this part of the main judgement complaining about what the dissent is doing does seem like it applies pretty broadly to the whole sorry lot of them.

    The principal dissent wrenches our case law from its con-text, going to lengths to ignore the parts of that law it does not like
    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf

    Of course, I am taking it out of context itself.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,524
    Re: today's SCOTUS 6-2 decision (Justice Brown Jackson recused herself) in Harvard case, striking down affirmative action in truck down affirmative action in college admissions, this may NOT be as electorally significant as some PBers seem to be suggesting.

    Why? Because quite unlike the Dobbs decision, this ruling does NOT overturn decades of established SCOTUS precedent established by Roe v. Wade.

    Instead, today's decision essentially conforms the Court's thinking, tendency & trend on this issue. Thus lacks the shock & awe character of Dobbs.

    Indeed, few SCOTUS decisions, even higly-significant ones, achieve THAT level of electoral impact, historically-speaking.

    Which is NOT to say zero impact; as noted Asians are likely (mostly) to be pleased, Blacks & Latinos less so. But think it's a stretch to assume that its gonna switch huge number of votes.

    So notion that Trump will now lose Florida because of it, is dubious on its face - even IF you assume that he's got a lock on the GOP nomination for 2024. 9Which I for one do not.)

    Also, am puzzled by viewcode's assertion that Hispanics in Northeast are more pro-Trump than other parts of USA. Because I do NOT believe that's true. Seeing as how

    > biggest demographic factor withing Latino voter community re: views on Trump is NOT geography, but instead religion, with evangelicals and other religious conservatives being more likely to back him.

    > other factor is national origin/heritage, with Cuban Americans (still) more likely to be both Republicans and pro-Trump than other Latino groups

    > as for geography, think that Latinos in Florida are way more likely to be Trump voters, that those in Northeastern Seaboard, largely due to Cuban concentration; worth noting that even among Cubans, those in Sunshine state are more conservative in their voting than Cubans in New Jersey, which has a bunch.

    HOWEVER, we shall see . . .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,277

    England still 44% to win....LOL....computer needs turning off and on....

    Winviz is as accurate as a Scottish sub sample.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    edited June 2023

    England still 44% to win....LOL....computer needs turning off and on....

    Winviz is as accurate as a Scottish sub sample.
    If England lose another wicket or two tonight it will suddenly swing to Australia 80% to win....as if the possibility of two quick wickets in cricket are as unexpected as Tory GE win in 2024.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636

    Re: today's SCOTUS 6-2 decision (Justice Brown Jackson recused herself) in Harvard case, striking down affirmative action in truck down affirmative action in college admissions, this may NOT be as electorally significant as some PBers seem to be suggesting.

    Why? Because quite unlike the Dobbs decision, this ruling does NOT overturn decades of established SCOTUS precedent established by Roe v. Wade.

    Instead, today's decision essentially conforms the Court's thinking, tendency & trend on this issue. Thus lacks the shock & awe character of Dobbs.

    Indeed, few SCOTUS decisions, even higly-significant ones, achieve THAT level of electoral impact, historically-speaking.

    Which is NOT to say zero impact; as noted Asians are likely (mostly) to be pleased, Blacks & Latinos less so. But think it's a stretch to assume that its gonna switch huge number of votes.

    So notion that Trump will now lose Florida because of it, is dubious on its face - even IF you assume that he's got a lock on the GOP nomination for 2024. 9Which I for one do not.)

    Also, am puzzled by viewcode's assertion that Hispanics in Northeast are more pro-Trump than other parts of USA. Because I do NOT believe that's true. Seeing as how

    > biggest demographic factor withing Latino voter community re: views on Trump is NOT geography, but instead religion, with evangelicals and other religious conservatives being more likely to back him.

    > other factor is national origin/heritage, with Cuban Americans (still) more likely to be both Republicans and pro-Trump than other Latino groups

    > as for geography, think that Latinos in Florida are way more likely to be Trump voters, that those in Northeastern Seaboard, largely due to Cuban concentration; worth noting that even among Cubans, those in Sunshine state are more conservative in their voting than Cubans in New Jersey, which has a bunch.

    HOWEVER, we shall see . . .

    As an outsider, I agree. Not much electoral impact either way. It will annoy hardcore liberals and the NYT - and really please some aspiring Asian families - but most of the country will shrug and think SCOTUS has a point
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636

    England still 44% to win....LOL....computer needs turning off and on....

    Winviz is as accurate as a Scottish sub sample.
    If England lose another wicket or two tonight it will suddenly swing to Australia 80% to win....as if the possibility of two quick wickets in cricket are as unexpected as Tory GE win in 2024.
    Winviz is just a bit of fun. At this stage of tech development. Treat it as such
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    edited June 2023
    Totall off topic....how has Castore come from nowhere to be absolutely everywhere in sport in matter of a few years? I don't think i watch a sporting event without them being a sponsor / clothing provider.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    England still 44% to win....LOL....computer needs turning off and on....

    Winviz is as accurate as a Scottish sub sample.
    If England lose another wicket or two tonight it will suddenly swing to Australia 80% to win....as if the possibility of two quick wickets in cricket are as unexpected as Tory GE win in 2024.
    Winviz is just a bit of fun. At this stage of tech development. Treat it as such
    The company behind it are rapidly growing & make good money out of analytics to professional teams...its most certainly not supposed to be just a bit of fun. It supposed to be a public example of the quality of their tech in the way YouGov make their money out of analytics for companies but show they know what they are doing by political pollling.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783
    I'm 95% sure this must be a joke, so there's no need to get into a woke debate or anything about approved terminology, but I had to share this solely on the basis that I am fascinated by the process by which I would be expected regularly check with people what term they would prefer here.


    https://twitter.com/LeoKearse/status/1674368678832242692/photo/2
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636

    Leon said:

    England still 44% to win....LOL....computer needs turning off and on....

    Winviz is as accurate as a Scottish sub sample.
    If England lose another wicket or two tonight it will suddenly swing to Australia 80% to win....as if the possibility of two quick wickets in cricket are as unexpected as Tory GE win in 2024.
    Winviz is just a bit of fun. At this stage of tech development. Treat it as such
    The company behind it are rapidly growing & make good money out of analytics to professional teams...its most certainly not supposed to be just a bit of fun.
    But, as you rightly point out, its predictions are often - generally? - either laughable or obvious

    However the tech will improve, I am sure
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783

    Stokes seems to be in "thou shall not pass" mode.

    Absolutely we need no more wickets tonight!
    Harry Brook didn't get the memo....
    Most of the team are learning Bazball - he was born in it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    edited June 2023
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    England still 44% to win....LOL....computer needs turning off and on....

    Winviz is as accurate as a Scottish sub sample.
    If England lose another wicket or two tonight it will suddenly swing to Australia 80% to win....as if the possibility of two quick wickets in cricket are as unexpected as Tory GE win in 2024.
    Winviz is just a bit of fun. At this stage of tech development. Treat it as such
    The company behind it are rapidly growing & make good money out of analytics to professional teams...its most certainly not supposed to be just a bit of fun.
    But, as you rightly point out, its predictions are often - generally? - either laughable or obvious

    However the tech will improve, I am sure
    I bet if StarLizard did cricket it would be a tad better.....the tech is out there.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,851

    This 'PM flies in helicopter; LOTO takes the train" seems a little like nonsense. A PM does have rather more to do than a LOTO. Like run the country.

    I look forward to PM Starmer never flying around the country in a helicopter. They even did a portrait of Blair in one:
    https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw135230/Tony-Blair-Helicopter-Flight-from-RAF-Lyneham-to-Battersea

    Or this:
    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/blair-talks-uk-economy-flying-2913702

    Or this:
    https://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/1397294.prime-minister-tony-blair-drops-in-on-halesowen-school/

    etc, etc.

    What an insightful post.

    .......and all those mesmerising references
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,277

    Totall off topic....how has Castore come from nowhere to be absolutely everywhere in sport in matter of a few years? I don't think i watch a sporting event without them being a sponsor / clothing provider.

    They are massively ovetrading.

    https://www.nssmag.com/en/sports/32217/le-maglie-castore-hanno-piu-di-un-problema
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,954
    At least we'll avoid the follow-on.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,361
    edited June 2023

    Totall off topic....how has Castore come from nowhere to be absolutely everywhere in sport in matter of a few years? I don't think i watch a sporting event without them being a sponsor / clothing provider.

    They are massively ovetrading.

    https://www.nssmag.com/en/sports/32217/le-maglie-castore-hanno-piu-di-un-problema
    I know Andy Murray is an investor, but something doesn't add up. The prominence of mega corps like Nike, Addidas etc seems to be overtaken in the blanketing of sports sponsorships by Castore in past year or two. Must be costing crazy amounts.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,954
    *I'm talking about the cricket - not that Labour's lead gets so big in next 16 months that they automatically win a second-term too.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,277

    Totall off topic....how has Castore come from nowhere to be absolutely everywhere in sport in matter of a few years? I don't think i watch a sporting event without them being a sponsor / clothing provider.

    They are massively ovetrading.

    https://www.nssmag.com/en/sports/32217/le-maglie-castore-hanno-piu-di-un-problema
    I know Andy Murray is an investor, but something doesn't add up. The prominence of mega corps like Nike, Addidas etc seems to be overtaken in the blanketing of sports sponsorships by Castore in past year or two.
    They are trying to go with the Warrior Sports/New Balance approach, which was to offer a huge deal to a big team, Liverpool, and build from that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    Re the SCOTUS decision, it’s not even disfavoured by Hispanics


    “The Pew survey shows a clear divide along racial and ethnic lines: A majority of white and Asian adults disapprove of racial consideration in admissions, while Black Americans largely approve and Hispanics are about evenly split”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/us/politics/affirmative-action-polls.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

    With that demographic breakdown, this will be a popular decision with American voters as a whole, and if Biden fights it (as he says he will) he will be making the next election harder for himself
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,334
    I've been at work all day, so haven't been able to follow.
    Reading the comments I'd thought England had had a shocker.
    Aren't we in a better position than at stumps last night?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636
    dixiedean said:

    I've been at work all day, so haven't been able to follow.
    Reading the comments I'd thought England had had a shocker.
    Aren't we in a better position than at stumps last night?

    If we can bat out these last 15 minutes without loss, this will be a good day for England
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783
    Leon said:

    Re the SCOTUS decision, it’s not even disfavoured by Hispanics


    “The Pew survey shows a clear divide along racial and ethnic lines: A majority of white and Asian adults disapprove of racial consideration in admissions, while Black Americans largely approve and Hispanics are about evenly split”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/29/us/politics/affirmative-action-polls.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

    With that demographic breakdown, this will be a popular decision with American voters as a whole, and if Biden fights it (as he says he will) he will be making the next election harder for himself

    He's not super well liked by his more lefty, progressive, colleagues I gather. He may need to give them something to ensure the more radical ones do not cause more problems?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,198
    edited June 2023

    Have we done YouGov yet? :lol:

    LAB: 46% (-1)
    CON: 24% (+2)
    LDM: 10% (-1)
    RFM: 8% (+1)
    GRN: 7% (-1)
    SNP: 3% (=)

    Via @YouGov, 27-28 Jun.
    Changes w/ 20-21 Jun.

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1674413501362888704

    Starmer's lead as preferred PM also cut to just 6%, 30% to 24% for Sunak. Sunak leads Starmer by 3% as preferred PM in the Midlands
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/06/29/voting-intention-con-24-lab-46-27-28-jun-2023.

    Labour ahead of the SNP in the Scottish subsample too, 31% to 30%
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,783
    dixiedean said:

    I've been at work all day, so haven't been able to follow.
    Reading the comments I'd thought England had had a shocker.
    Aren't we in a better position than at stumps last night?

    People are reacting a bit strangely - Australia don't have a mammoth total, and anything but a major collapse means England get at least close. I rage at certain things, but they are not in a bad position considering the average scores of those to come and currently in.
  • Re: today's SCOTUS 6-2 decision (Justice Brown Jackson recused herself) in Harvard case, striking down affirmative action in truck down affirmative action in college admissions, this may NOT be as electorally significant as some PBers seem to be suggesting.

    Why? Because quite unlike the Dobbs decision, this ruling does NOT overturn decades of established SCOTUS precedent established by Roe v. Wade.

    Instead, today's decision essentially conforms the Court's thinking, tendency & trend on this issue. Thus lacks the shock & awe character of Dobbs.

    Indeed, few SCOTUS decisions, even higly-significant ones, achieve THAT level of electoral impact, historically-speaking.

    Which is NOT to say zero impact; as noted Asians are likely (mostly) to be pleased, Blacks & Latinos less so. But think it's a stretch to assume that its gonna switch huge number of votes.

    So notion that Trump will now lose Florida because of it, is dubious on its face - even IF you assume that he's got a lock on the GOP nomination for 2024. 9Which I for one do not.)

    Also, am puzzled by viewcode's assertion that Hispanics in Northeast are more pro-Trump than other parts of USA. Because I do NOT believe that's true. Seeing as how

    > biggest demographic factor withing Latino voter community re: views on Trump is NOT geography, but instead religion, with evangelicals and other religious conservatives being more likely to back him.

    > other factor is national origin/heritage, with Cuban Americans (still) more likely to be both Republicans and pro-Trump than other Latino groups

    > as for geography, think that Latinos in Florida are way more likely to be Trump voters, that those in Northeastern Seaboard, largely due to Cuban concentration; worth noting that even among Cubans, those in Sunshine state are more conservative in their voting than Cubans in New Jersey, which has a bunch.

    HOWEVER, we shall see . . .

    That is a pretty good summary I think. Re the Hispanic vote, another key factor is the level of union activism. In California and Nevada, the Hispanic vote has not showed the same shift to the Republicans as the unions are very active courting HIspanics as members.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,636

    Re: today's SCOTUS 6-2 decision (Justice Brown Jackson recused herself) in Harvard case, striking down affirmative action in truck down affirmative action in college admissions, this may NOT be as electorally significant as some PBers seem to be suggesting.

    Why? Because quite unlike the Dobbs decision, this ruling does NOT overturn decades of established SCOTUS precedent established by Roe v. Wade.

    Instead, today's decision essentially conforms the Court's thinking, tendency & trend on this issue. Thus lacks the shock & awe character of Dobbs.

    Indeed, few SCOTUS decisions, even higly-significant ones, achieve THAT level of electoral impact, historically-speaking.

    Which is NOT to say zero impact; as noted Asians are likely (mostly) to be pleased, Blacks & Latinos less so. But think it's a stretch to assume that its gonna switch huge number of votes.

    So notion that Trump will now lose Florida because of it, is dubious on its face - even IF you assume that he's got a lock on the GOP nomination for 2024. 9Which I for one do not.)

    Also, am puzzled by viewcode's assertion that Hispanics in Northeast are more pro-Trump than other parts of USA. Because I do NOT believe that's true. Seeing as how

    > biggest demographic factor withing Latino voter community re: views on Trump is NOT geography, but instead religion, with evangelicals and other religious conservatives being more likely to back him.

    > other factor is national origin/heritage, with Cuban Americans (still) more likely to be both Republicans and pro-Trump than other Latino groups

    > as for geography, think that Latinos in Florida are way more likely to be Trump voters, that those in Northeastern Seaboard, largely due to Cuban concentration; worth noting that even among Cubans, those in Sunshine state are more conservative in their voting than Cubans in New Jersey, which has a bunch.

    HOWEVER, we shall see . . .

    That is a pretty good summary I think. Re the Hispanic vote, another key factor is the level of union activism. In California and Nevada, the Hispanic vote has not showed the same shift to the Republicans as the unions are very active courting HIspanics as members.
    PLUS the polls show Hispanics are about evenly split on affirmative action - see my NYT link above

    This is potentially dangerous territory for the Dems
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