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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360

    HYUFD said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    If Dabby Finkelsten is right, Boris could be best placed to fill the gap in the market for a leader who is protectionist or even left wing on occasion in economic rhetoric but right-wing and socially conservative in the culture wars. Something he was starting to do as PM before his removal
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/theres-a-gap-in-the-market-for-a-tory-populist-n8s8t890p
    You are really clinging on in defiance of reality

    Johnson political career ended today
    But does Boris think it ended today?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,611
    pm215 said:


    If you get a heat pump to replace a boiler, it can then work as an aircon when it's hot.

    ...but only if it's an air-to-air heat pump, not an air-to-water heat pump. And the former are explicitly not elegible for the government subsidies for replacing your boiler with a heat pump...
    Though you don’t pay VAT on installing air-air (aircon with a reverse option).

    In theory you could install units in every room in the house and heat/cool the entire house from them.

    20% off is nice.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,880
    Off to my Mid Beds, despite the heat here in the West Highlands. Goodnight all.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    I REALLY don't think Boris Johnson is the answer to Britain's growing list of problems. But it would also be the biggest f-you to his critics and much of the establishment if he declared Westminster is completely broken, the system is utterly rotten, the Tories are totally lost, Labour want to reverse Brexit and then sets up a new party and wins the pro-Leave Mid Beds by-election. Lolz."

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1667268039019044865

    If Britain is broken who does Goodwin (and Johnson) think broke it?

    I have some ideas.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360

    Genuine legal and procedural question. Does the recommendation of punishment of Johnson not go ahead now he has resigned as an MP? Surely it must still hang over him, because resigning Uxbridge winning Mid Staffs shouldn’t by pass the procedure and punishment completely?

    Ah, the Mid Staffs by-election. Remember it well. Glorious weather, door knocking and leafleting in Rugeley for Sylvia Heal.
    I’ve got the wrong “mid” place havn’t I? 🤦‍♀️

    Time to tap out.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,144

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    Which Blair did. Hence things like Lords Reform, Fox Hunting, railing against the "forces of conservativism" etc

    He did that aplenty.
    No, and maybe I expressed myself poorly. It's not just disagreeing with a set of opponents (again, that's politics). There's a very specific view about a conspiracy against the many - a constant war against a deep state out to thwart US.
    You are describing Blair to a T. His rhetoric about the oppression of "the British people" by "the forces of conservatism" was borderline fascistic.

    The old order, those forces of conservatism, for all their language about promoting the individual, and freedom and liberty, they held people back. They kept people down. They stunted people’s potential. Year after year. Decade after decade.

    Look at this Party’s greatest achievement. The forces of conservatism, and the force of the Conservative Party, pulled every trick in the book - voting 51 times, yes 51 times, against the creation of the NHS. One leading Tory, Mr Henry Willink, said at the time that the NHS ‘will destroy so much in this country that we value,’ when we knew human potential can never be realised when whether you are well or ill depends on wealth not need. The forces of conservatism allied to racism are why one of the heroes of the 20th Century, Martin Luther King, is dead. It’s why another, Nelson Mandela, spent the best years of his life in a cell the size of a bed.


    http://www.britishpoliticalspeech.org/speech-archive.htm?speech=205
    Not a particularly good example. You need to find something where he claims to represent the will of the British people, and people who disagree with him are traitors, or not proper British people. I'm sure he said some populist stuff, but just attacking 'the forces of conservatism' isn't really enoigh.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,611
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    Which Blair did. Hence things like Lords Reform, Fox Hunting, railing against the "forces of conservativism" etc

    He did that aplenty.
    What about fox hunting was populist?
    It was the classic of a dog whistle to the base. Get them riled up over toffs in red coats to keep them happy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    I REALLY don't think Boris Johnson is the answer to Britain's growing list of problems. But it would also be the biggest f-you to his critics and much of the establishment if he declared Westminster is completely broken, the system is utterly rotten, the Tories are totally lost, Labour want to reverse Brexit and then sets up a new party and wins the pro-Leave Mid Beds by-election. Lolz."

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1667268039019044865

    Not happening under FPTP
    Indeed not. And as with most cases of people raising the prospect of a new party its obvious wish fulfillment. Goodwin has had media success and attention, and as with a lot of people on that path he needs to keep finding new hooks to keep people interested - so he plugs for a new party to break the 'system'.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I just do not get the impression Boris is the kind of politician who is really interested in that sort of thing. I'm sure he is furious about being ousted and happy to cause trouble, but trying to break the Westminster establishment? That's a fantasy for Corbynite oiks and Faragist nutters, not a most unideological Tory with a talent for rabble rousing.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266
    Andy_JS said:

    The view from the Daily Mail.

    "He trusted the instincts of the people over the Establishment - and was never forgiven for it: As Boris Johnson resigns from Parliament the nation has lost a transformative political genius whose like we shall not see again, DANIEL JOHNSON writes"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12179517/DANIEL-JOHNSON-nation-lost-transformative-political-genius-like-wont-again.html

    Any defence of Johnson tonight is utter shite. He trusted the instincts that would propel him up the greasy pole. He never gave a flying f*** for ANYTHING or ANYONE else.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,119
    kle4 said:

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I just do not get the impression Boris is the kind of politician who is really interested in that sort of thing. I'm sure he is furious about being ousted and happy to cause trouble, but trying to break the Westminster establishment? That's a fantasy for Corbynite oiks and Faragist nutters, not a most unideological Tory with a talent for rabble rousing.

    Mmm; I get the impression he likes success and status and an easy life; being at the head of a new party in an FPTP system gets you none of those.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    mwadams said:

    It's just gone quarter past 11 and I still can't fathom Sir Michael Fabricant. I think we are done with the "honours" system now.

    I really don't think his appointment is any worse than many seen before. People have moaned about useless duffers and sycophants getting rewarded as long as I can remember. They seem to be more common for backbench fools than frontliners, though we unusually have two knights leading parties at present.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    Farooq said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it just a coincidence that Lord Ashcroft conducted a constituency poll in Uxbridge a few days ago?

    No. It was in response to the possibility that Boris would face a recall election and there might be a by-election. It's that prospect that Boris is running from. He's not running towards some mighty principle despite what he'd have us think.
    Of course not. If he was genuinely angry at a cabal of biased committee members forcing him out he'd welcome a by-election to show them what for.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    I REALLY don't think Boris Johnson is the answer to Britain's growing list of problems. But it would also be the biggest f-you to his critics and much of the establishment if he declared Westminster is completely broken, the system is utterly rotten, the Tories are totally lost, Labour want to reverse Brexit and then sets up a new party and wins the pro-Leave Mid Beds by-election. Lolz."

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1667268039019044865

    If Britain is broken who does Goodwin (and Johnson) think broke it?

    I have some ideas.
    So do I. Personally I think it was Tony Blair. He was responsible for so many of the constitutional changes that have caused such disagreement in the country including our relationship with the EU. Brexit was the inevitable solution to many of the problems caused by Blair. And the worst thing is he didn't do them because he really believed in them. All he believed in was gaining and retaining power. In that way he and Johnson are far more similar than either would like to admit.
    Due exclusively to Iraq I have no time for Blair these days. However I believe your interpretation of Blair and how he set about his journey was wholly different to that of Johnson. The similarity is they both ended up as discredited busted flushes. Save for Iraq history will be more favourable for Blair than it will be for Johnson.

    For good or ill Johnson will be seen as the bogus facilitator of Brexit.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,067
    edited June 2023
    Whom the God's would destroy, they first make mad. This is the end times for the Tories
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,189
    Those saying Boris won't win Mid-Beds if he stands for REFORM remember Boris Johnson has never lost an election he's stood in.

    Obviously there's a first time for everything but I would give Johnson at least a 50% chance of winning Mid-Beds if he stands (as I'm sure he will as it's all clearly orchestrated between him and Nadine)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266
    GIN1138 said:

    Those saying Boris won't win Mid-Beds if he stands for REFORM remember Boris Johnson has never lost an election he's stood in.

    Obviously there's a first time for everything but I would give Johnson at least a 50% chance of winning Mid-Beds if he stands (as I'm sure he will as it's all clearly orchestrated between him and Nadine)

    What does he do if he wins Mid Beds? If he becomes Reform Prime Minister it means he's killed the Conservative Party. Or does he immediately cross the floor back to the Tories? Nigel won't like that.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,189
    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Those saying Boris won't win Mid-Beds if he stands for REFORM remember Boris Johnson has never lost an election he's stood in.

    Obviously there's a first time for everything but I would give Johnson at least a 50% chance of winning Mid-Beds if he stands (as I'm sure he will as it's all clearly orchestrated between him and Nadine)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clwyd_South_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_1990s
    A one off... ;)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,378
    GIN1138 said:

    Those saying Boris won't win Mid-Beds if he stands for REFORM remember Boris Johnson has never lost an election he's stood in.

    Obviously there's a first time for everything but I would give Johnson at least a 50% chance of winning Mid-Beds if he stands (as I'm sure he will as it's all clearly orchestrated between him and Nadine)

    I tend to agree with this, but there's always a chance Boris will chicken out like he did in 2016 after Michael Gove stabbed him in the back.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266
    Farooq said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    I REALLY don't think Boris Johnson is the answer to Britain's growing list of problems. But it would also be the biggest f-you to his critics and much of the establishment if he declared Westminster is completely broken, the system is utterly rotten, the Tories are totally lost, Labour want to reverse Brexit and then sets up a new party and wins the pro-Leave Mid Beds by-election. Lolz."

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1667268039019044865

    If Britain is broken who does Goodwin (and Johnson) think broke it?

    I have some ideas.
    So do I. Personally I think it was Tony Blair. He was responsible for so many of the constitutional changes that have caused such disagreement in the country including our relationship with the EU. Brexit was the inevitable solution to many of the problems caused by Blair. And the worst thing is he didn't do them because he really believed in them. All he believed in was gaining and retaining power. In that way he and Johnson are far more similar than either would like to admit.
    Due exclusively to Iraq I have no time for Blair these days. However I believe your interpretation of Blair and how he set about his journey was wholly different to that of Johnson. The similarity is they both ended up as discredited busted flushes. Save for Iraq history will be more favourable for Blair than it will be for Johnson.

    For good or ill Johnson will be seen as the bogus facilitator of Brexit.
    Boris also voted for war against Iraq.
    He wasn't the incumbent Prime Minister so I am afraid that doesn't count.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,189

    GIN1138 said:

    Those saying Boris won't win Mid-Beds if he stands for REFORM remember Boris Johnson has never lost an election he's stood in.

    Obviously there's a first time for everything but I would give Johnson at least a 50% chance of winning Mid-Beds if he stands (as I'm sure he will as it's all clearly orchestrated between him and Nadine)

    What does he do if he wins Mid Beds? If he becomes Reform Prime Minister it means he's killed the Conservative Party. Or does he immediately cross the floor back to the Tories? Nigel won't like that.
    Oh he won't become REFORM PM while we have FPTP. That could only happen under PR.

    All he'd do is split the Con vote and ensure Lab government for years to come (sometimes on their own or with Lib support)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,189
    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Those saying Boris won't win Mid-Beds if he stands for REFORM remember Boris Johnson has never lost an election he's stood in.

    Obviously there's a first time for everything but I would give Johnson at least a 50% chance of winning Mid-Beds if he stands (as I'm sure he will as it's all clearly orchestrated between him and Nadine)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clwyd_South_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Elections_in_the_1990s
    A one off... ;)
    It's literally the worst result the Conservatives have ever had in that constituency
    Well it was 1997...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,378
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    Which Blair did. Hence things like Lords Reform, Fox Hunting, railing against the "forces of conservativism" etc

    He did that aplenty.
    What about fox hunting was populist?
    It was the classic of a dog whistle to the base. Get them riled up over toffs in red coats to keep them happy.
    And who talked about these toffs in red coats? I remember -- vaguely -- from the time about the argument being between cruelty on the one hand and livelihoods on the other. Who was talking about toffs in red coats?
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/jul/09/hunting.ruralaffairs

    Labour peer Baroness Mallalieu, one of the leading pro-hunt campaigners in the Lords, said: "This is, I am afraid, an attack on people.

    "I heard a Labour MP say the other day 'This is not about foxes. It is about who runs Britain, us or the Tory toffs'. It is a terrible misconception that the people who enjoy hunting, the people for who it is a way of life and a culture, are rich nobs. They are not."
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,824
    @Anabobazina has sent me a message saying they are prevented from posting again. @TSE, @rcs1000, can you press your magic buttons again and fix things plz?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,567
    edited June 2023
    In the indictment, another fine Trump quote (from 2018).

    “As the head of the executive branch and Commander in Chief, I have a unique, Constitutional responsibility to protect the Nation's
    classified information, including by controlling access to it. More broadly, the issue of [a former executive branch official's] security clearance raises larger questions about the practice of former officials maintaining access to our Nation's most sensitive secrets long after their time in Government has ended. Such access is particularly inappropriate when former officials have transitioned into highly partisan positions and seek to use real or perceived
    access to sensitive information to validate their political attacks. Any access granted to our Nation's secrets should be in furtherance of national, not personal, interests.”
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,293
    Direct quote from Johnson's 1,000 word statement.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65863336

    "I am not alone in thinking that there is a witch hunt under way, to take revenge for Brexit and ultimately to reverse the 2016 referendum result.

    My removal is the necessary first step, and I believe there has been a concerted attempt to bring it about. I am afraid I no longer believe that it is any coincidence that Sue Gray - who investigated gatherings in Number 10 - is now the chief of staff designate of the Labour leader.

    Nor do I believe that it is any coincidence that her supposedly impartial chief counsel, Daniel Stilitz KC, turned out to be a strong Labour supporter who repeatedly tweeted personal attacks on me and the government. "
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266
    Andy_JS said:

    Direct quote from Johnson's 1,000 word statement.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65863336

    "I am not alone in thinking that there is a witch hunt under way, to take revenge for Brexit and ultimately to reverse the 2016 referendum result.

    My removal is the necessary first step, and I believe there has been a concerted attempt to bring it about. I am afraid I no longer believe that it is any coincidence that Sue Gray - who investigated gatherings in Number 10 - is now the chief of staff designate of the Labour leader.

    Nor do I believe that it is any coincidence that her supposedly impartial chief counsel, Daniel Stilitz KC, turned out to be a strong Labour supporter who repeatedly tweeted personal attacks on me and the government. "

    Maybe if he hadn't done all the things that it turned out he had done he might have a point. But he did, so he hasn't.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    viewcode said:

    My heart has joined the Thousand for MightyAlex stopped running today. 😞

    Treat him well Lord Frith.

    It took me a moment to get this. Sorry about your rabbit, @MoonRabbit
    No, I havn’t lost a rabbit, not recently. It was PBs MightyAlex posting c-word, c-word, c-word. Has MightyAlex been seen since?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,293
    edited June 2023
    kle4 said:

    mwadams said:

    It's just gone quarter past 11 and I still can't fathom Sir Michael Fabricant. I think we are done with the "honours" system now.

    I really don't think his appointment is any worse than many seen before. People have moaned about useless duffers and sycophants getting rewarded as long as I can remember. They seem to be more common for backbench fools than frontliners, though we unusually have two knights leading parties at present.
    He's been an MP since 1992 and he's self-confessedly one of the most socially liberal Tory MPs. He also gets votes from otherwise Lab and LD supporters in his constituency.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    The write up makes them all sound interesting, and way ahead of their time.

    https://archive.org/details/BBC_Chillers/01+2002-01-24+Who+Goes+There+[by+John+W+Campbell].mp3


  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360
    Nothing much ever happens with TSE in charge. We can all just lie around in the sun tomorrow topping up our tan's 👙

    A bit of football related news my GF shared with me.


  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,642
    edited June 2023

    viewcode said:

    My heart has joined the Thousand for MightyAlex stopped running today. 😞

    Treat him well Lord Frith.

    It took me a moment to get this. Sorry about your rabbit, @MoonRabbit
    No, I havn’t lost a rabbit, not recently. It was PBs MightyAlex posting c-word, c-word, c-word. Has MightyAlex been seen since?
    I think I'm still here. Mods seem to show mercy when the Barclays are concerned.

    mods = gods etc.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,360

    viewcode said:

    My heart has joined the Thousand for MightyAlex stopped running today. 😞

    Treat him well Lord Frith.

    It took me a moment to get this. Sorry about your rabbit, @MoonRabbit
    No, I havn’t lost a rabbit, not recently. It was PBs MightyAlex posting c-word, c-word, c-word. Has MightyAlex been seen since?
    I think I'm still here. Mods seem to show mercy when the Barclays are concerned.

    mods = gods etc.
    By the mercy of Lord Frith!

    Now if Barclays is a trigger word for you, I’ll do my best not to post it in future. But as Barclays is a big player in the banking world, and Barclay’s Bank rhyming slang, and the Barclay Bros selling off Telegraph titles, you will need to be extra vigilant yourself to avoid it.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited June 2023

    viewcode said:

    My heart has joined the Thousand for MightyAlex stopped running today. 😞

    Treat him well Lord Frith.

    It took me a moment to get this. Sorry about your rabbit, @MoonRabbit
    No, I havn’t lost a rabbit, not recently. It was PBs MightyAlex posting c-word, c-word, c-word. Has MightyAlex been seen since?
    I think I'm still here. Mods seem to show mercy when the Barclays are concerned.

    mods = gods etc.
    By the mercy of Lord Frith!

    Now if Barclays is a trigger word for you, I’ll do my best not to post it in future. But as Barclays is a big player in the banking world, and Barclay’s Bank rhyming slang, and the Barclay Bros selling off Telegraph titles, you will need to be extra vigilant yourself to avoid it.
    The court papers were fascinating - Particularly the judges comments. Freely available online.

    There are some people in guernsey, to whom I doff my hat.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Been away - did I miss much?

    FPT:
    148grss said:

    @CarlottaVance

    I have not read the non peer reviewed books of individual GCs who do not specialise in the area of gender..... I highly recommend the videos of Abigail Thorn of PhilosophyTube, I would also suggest the work of Mia Mulder, Katy Montgomerie

    Abigail Thorn, actor, transwoman and (now) lesbian? To be clear, a man who says he's a woman and is attracted to women. And people wonder why lesbians get upset.

    How many peer reviewed works have they, Ms Montgomerie or Mulder published?

    Meanwhile, Elon tweets:

    Powerful article

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1667297563719122945

    4.2million views - which the Telegraph no doubt would be delighted by, except he posts a non-paywall link immediately after it:

    The cult of gender ideology is finally disintegrating

    https://archive.is/20230609223701/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2023/05/30/the-cult-of-gender-ideology-finally-crumbling/#selection-2959.4-2959.57
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    NYT take:

    The unexpected announcement could signal the end of a flamboyant career by a politician known for breaking rules and disregarding norms. But it could also be merely a twist in a career marked by frequent surges and setbacks.

    “Politically, he hasn’t got that many friends,” Jonathan Powell, who served as chief of staff to a former prime minister, Tony Blair, said of Mr. Johnson. “He has a few die-hard supporters. But he doesn’t get a sympathy vote for his troubles, and he doesn’t have people behind him.”


    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/09/world/europe/boris-johson-resigns.html
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Nothing much ever happens with TSE in charge. We can all just lie around in the sun tomorrow topping up our tan's 👙

    A bit of football related news my GF shared with me.


    Might this be candid camera pic, of meant-to-be secret rendezvous, between two of our own PBers?

    Say "Cf" and "L"? Or maybe "MR" and "BG_NW"? Or perhaps . . .
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,601
    The Rest is Politics (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart) on Boris's resignation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzOWzm4EDM (or your favourite podcast platform)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,601

    Nothing much ever happens with TSE in charge. We can all just lie around in the sun tomorrow topping up our tan's 👙

    A bit of football related news my GF shared with me.


    Might this be candid camera pic, of meant-to-be secret rendezvous, between two of our own PBers?

    Say "Cf" and "L"? Or maybe "MR" and "BG_NW"? Or perhaps . . .
    Leon and Leon? OGH is on holiday, of course. Newlyweds Arsenal defender Ben White and Milly Adams.
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/22627496/ben-white-milly-adams-arsenal-ibiza-honeymoon/
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,601

    The Rest is Politics (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart) on Boris's resignation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzOWzm4EDM (or your favourite podcast platform)

    "He really is a very, very, very bad man: the worst Prime Minister the United Kingdom has ever had."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266

    The Rest is Politics (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart) on Boris's resignation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzOWzm4EDM (or your favourite podcast platform)

    "He really is a very, very, very bad man: the worst Prime Minister the United Kingdom has ever had."
    Thanks for linking the podcast. Just listened to it and I also concluding " he is a very, very, very bad man".
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Morning all.

    The end of Boris Johnson's life as a British MP, for some time.

    It's a shame TSE got carried away last night as he'd got it right up until his mid-Beds madness.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,249

    The Rest is Politics (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart) on Boris's resignation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzOWzm4EDM (or your favourite podcast platform)

    "He really is a very, very, very bad man: the worst Prime Minister the United Kingdom has ever had."
    I love the way Ali Campbell feels fit to opine on the worthiness of others.... ;)
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    There was a synergy about the fall of Trump and Boris on the same day.

    Two crooks whose lies wrecked the West.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,601

    The Rest is Politics (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart) on Boris's resignation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzOWzm4EDM (or your favourite podcast platform)

    "He really is a very, very, very bad man: the worst Prime Minister the United Kingdom has ever had."
    I love the way Ali Campbell feels fit to opine on the worthiness of others.... ;)
    Indeed, although we should note it was Rory Stewart who said that, and if you can't trust an Old Etonian Oxford man, then, oh...
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited June 2023
    To be fair to TSE, my heroine Carole Vorderman posed the same question, echoing Steven Swinford: https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1667250723732480000

    Does she follow pb.com?! Steven Swinford probably does.

    Boris Johnson will not be an MP again anytime soon. His dying rump of supporters and sycophants will have to hope Rishi Sunak fails utterly at the next election. Then, perhaps, their white knight will ride to the rescue.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited June 2023

    The Rest is Politics (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart) on Boris's resignation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzOWzm4EDM (or your favourite podcast platform)

    "He really is a very, very, very bad man: the worst Prime Minister the United Kingdom has ever had."
    I love the way Ali Campbell feels fit to opine on the worthiness of others.... ;)
    Not often I agree with you.

    Campbell was a devious, foul-mouthed, and nasty operator. So to hear him now pontificating from a moral high ground is really a bit much.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,709
    Good morning, everyone.

    Was surprised by this news story. I do wonder if Nadine Dorries' previous announcement was made to be deliberately helpful, though.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,790
    Ghedebrav said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris is pretty astute about avoiding fights he can’t win. Look at the withdrawal from the leadership election after Cameron resigned. He must have calculated that without the active support of Sunak he had no chance of overturning the committee’s recommendations. He was probably right.

    Will he be back? Not while Sunak is there but that is only 15 months or so.

    Why would he want to come back?

    I've been saying for a long time he'd take the Chiltern Hundreds and coin it in from the lecture tour.

    He'd have more dignity if he'd done so when he resigned as PM, like Blair and Cameron, instead of doing so now though.

    His attitude today is just pathetic.
    Don't you feel cheated? Someone you praised to the hilt just two years ago turns out to be the creep many suspected he was
    All political careers end in failure.

    *snip*

    Not strictly true - untimely death happens occasionally.
    With “success” like that…..
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,790

    Big Emms Thornberry putting collaboration with LDs to the sword.

    ‘No chance of working with the Libdems in Mid Beds or Uxbridge?’

    ‘Certainly not!’

    In Islington they have history.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266
    edited June 2023

    The Rest is Politics (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart) on Boris's resignation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzOWzm4EDM (or your favourite podcast platform)

    "He really is a very, very, very bad man: the worst Prime Minister the United Kingdom has ever had."
    I love the way Ali Campbell feels fit to opine on the worthiness of others.... ;)
    Very bad man though you consider he may have been, he's perfectly entitled to comment on the fall of someone I consider considerably worse.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,790

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
    But quite unnecessary in UK homes.
    Sky TV is quite unnecessary.

    Beer is quite unnecessary.

    Fibre broadband is quite unnecessary.

    Playstations are quite unnecessary.

    Life is about more than necessities. Why deny someone a pleasure, just because it uses electricity, which should be generated cleanly anyway?
    Oh, come down off your high-horse, I'm in no position to stop anybody wasting their money on home aircon.

    I'm just pointing out was a waste of money and energy it is in the UK. And until we are using no renewables in the summer every home aircon will be adding to global warming.
    If you have the lights on in your home, or a Playstation running, or anything else then you are 'adding to global warming'. Indeed virtually anything you ever do will, unless we make electricity clean, which is why we need to eliminate the notion of reducing things, and make things clean instead.

    I don't have an Air Con, and I don't want one either. But a house with Solar Panels and an Air Con is far better for the environment than a house with neither.
    We've got a hot tub warming up overnight. What does that do for our carbon footprint?
    You will at least emerge with clean feet.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266
    IanB2 said:

    Big Emms Thornberry putting collaboration with LDs to the sword.

    ‘No chance of working with the Libdems in Mid Beds or Uxbridge?’

    ‘Certainly not!’

    In Islington they have history.
    Your mate Bob Seely was on Newsnight too, batting for Richie Rich. I hadn't quite realised what an utter tosser Bob really is.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,790

    IanB2 said:

    Big Emms Thornberry putting collaboration with LDs to the sword.

    ‘No chance of working with the Libdems in Mid Beds or Uxbridge?’

    ‘Certainly not!’

    In Islington they have history.
    Your mate Bob Seely was on Newsnight too, batting for Richie Rich. I hadn't quite realised what an utter tosser Bob really is.
    Sometimes he comes across intelligently, especially when it’s a foreign affairs or military issue playing to his strengths, and at other times he can be a really puerile politician, you’re right. He’ll stand in the west seat which ought to be safe, although recent polling is tempting Labour to fantasise about gains here.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,266
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Big Emms Thornberry putting collaboration with LDs to the sword.

    ‘No chance of working with the Libdems in Mid Beds or Uxbridge?’

    ‘Certainly not!’

    In Islington they have history.
    Your mate Bob Seely was on Newsnight too, batting for Richie Rich. I hadn't quite realised what an utter tosser Bob really is.
    Sometimes he comes across intelligently, especially when it’s a foreign affairs or military issue playing to his strengths, and at other times he can be a really puerile politician, you’re right. He’ll stand in the west seat which ought to be safe, although recent polling is tempting Labour to fantasise about gains here.
    After Boris Johnson's call to arms yesterday maybe Bob Seely, ex MP is more likely than it was this time yesterday.

    What was Johnson asking his audience to do on his behalf in his rambling resignation essay? Are his disciples supposed to go out and seek revenge on the assassins?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,780
    Good morning and it is a good morning

    The sun is already shining through on what looks like a beautiful day to come

    It is also the day Johnson and Dorries are ex mps, and who expected that joyous news this time yesterday

    And my wife and I are going for a 5 day break in the Isle of Man tomorrow following the footsteps of my beloved mother and father who went there regularly, not least due to my father's love of motorbikes. We have been promising we would do this trip since 1964 when we first moved to Llandudno and so it comes to pass

    I have no idea what happens to the conservative party now but at least Sunak has a chance to start the purge of the ever decreasing number of Johnson sycophants

    I expect the last 24 hours has ended any idea of a Spring 24 election with Oct 24 even more likely

    Apparently my daughter told me that returning home from Leeds yesterday afternoon the queuing traffic coming into North Wales was almost at a standstill and her journey was long and very frustrating

    It just affirms what those of us who live in North Wales know that we live in a delightful and beautiful part of the UK and we hope all our visitors have a wonderful time and spend their money in our attractions and shops
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,611
    Heathener said:

    The Rest is Politics (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart) on Boris's resignation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzOWzm4EDM (or your favourite podcast platform)

    "He really is a very, very, very bad man: the worst Prime Minister the United Kingdom has ever had."
    I love the way Ali Campbell feels fit to opine on the worthiness of others.... ;)
    Not often I agree with you.

    Campbell was a devious, foul-mouthed, and nasty operator. So to hear him now pontificating from a moral high ground is really a bit much.
    Alistair Campbell was the victim of Iraq, remember.

    Not the Iraqis, not the soldiers killed and maimed. Not Dr Kelly.

    Some people said some really, really hurtful things about him.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,077
    Andy_JS said:

    The view from the Daily Mail.

    "He trusted the instincts of the people over the Establishment - and was never forgiven for it: As Boris Johnson resigns from Parliament the nation has lost a transformative political genius whose like we shall not see again, DANIEL JOHNSON writes"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12179517/DANIEL-JOHNSON-nation-lost-transformative-political-genius-like-wont-again.html

    And Paul Dacre still hasn't been made a Lord.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,709
    Boris Johnson was a political genius in the same way the Angeli provided a stable dynasty for quiet competence and growing prosperity for Constantinople.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,790

    The Rest is Politics (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart) on Boris's resignation.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpzOWzm4EDM (or your favourite podcast platform)

    "He really is a very, very, very bad man: the worst Prime Minister the United Kingdom has ever had."
    I love the way Ali Campbell feels fit to opine on the worthiness of others.... ;)
    If you listen to it, the really damning commentary comes from Stewart.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,342

    NEW THREAD

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,249
    Two points spring to mind:

    *) Even if this is the end of BJ's political career, he will not go quietly. He will spend years writing articles and appearing on TV moaning about how all his successors are doing things wrong. Think Heath on acid.

    *) Back when he was MoL, I decided that BJ was unsuitable for high office. It's interesting that his downfall have been due not to bad governance, but the character flaws that were all too visible then. A propensity to help his mates; a tendency to ignore advice; a habit of non-cooperation with critics. An obfuscation of the truth. A policy of spreading mistruths and bluster. All these were plainly visible in the Garden Bridge debacle.
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