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Could Boris Johnson stand in the Mid Beds by election – politicalbetting.com

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edited June 2023 in General
Could Boris Johnson stand in the Mid Beds by election – politicalbetting.com

Could Boris stand in Mid Beds?

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,342
    First
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    If I may quote me, yesterday

    "Chiltern hundreds, a year-odd of lecture tours and schmoozing selection committees in proper safe seats."

    Now that's what I call political commentary.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,048
    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Already? I was just starting to enjoy the last one…pulled before its time.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Keir Starmer celebrating with champers
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    edited June 2023
    Never trust Boris.
    Is he going to stand again in Uxbridge? Or, even, Mid Beds? And, could he win?

    I can see him running an explicitly anti-Rishi, pro-populist campaign, and - shudder - winning.

    By doing so he neatly avoids censure and comes back stronger than ever.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,365
    Shakespeare would call this "The lie direct"

    "Johnson told the Times: “It is very sad to be leaving parliament - at least for now - but above all I am bewildered and appalled that I can be forced out, anti-democratically, by a committee chaired and managed, by Harriet Harman, with such egregious bias” "
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    CatMan said:

    » show previous quotes
    If he loses than he's a loser.

    If he quits he can say "I would have won if I stood".

    Granted. But even with his many backers some will surely be disheartened that he is not even attempting to fight it - his statement studiously ignoring what the actual process entails is implicit admission he was toast (even though I and others would have given him a chance at a win), which itself makes his whails less impactful outside GB news.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    A bit breathless from @TSE

    He would have to be selected. Sunak would make sure it didn't happen. And he would lose anyway.

    So probably 'no'.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    This thread has resigned
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,249
    Boris Johnson is a better person than Jeremy Corbyn.

    When BJ gets a report lambasting his behaviour over a party, he resigns. When JC gets a report accusing the party he ran of being anti-Semitic, he stays on as an MP.

    Discuss. ;)

    (Runs for cover)
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,679
    It won't be the last we hear of Boris Johnson, not by a long chalk
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918

    Never trust Boris.
    Is he going to stand again in Uxbridge? Or, even, Mid Beds?

    By doing so he neatly avoids censure and comes back stronger than ever.

    It is an interesting tactic. Unlike Braverman he cannot return within a weak claiming to have learned his lesson of course.

    I repeat that Boris had a chance, though clearly he was not confident, if he had followed the process through to its end - that he is jumping ship and pretending he was pushed, is one additional bit of misleading behaviour.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    Miklosvar said:

    If I may quote me, yesterday

    "Chiltern hundreds, a year-odd of lecture tours and schmoozing selection committees in proper safe seats."

    Now that's what I call political commentary.

    Uxbridge still has a Conservative majority controlled council (Hillingdon) now unlike most Tory seats and was more Leave than the UK and English average. If Boris wants a safe seat his best bet may be to stick to the one he currently represents
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    Boris just wanted to screw TSE's thread so waited for it go up before breaking the news.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,249
    edited June 2023
    geoffw said:

    It won't be the last we hear of Boris Johnson, not by a long chalk

    I agree. Sadly. He's a deeply flawed individual, and a poor politician. Albeit with the common touch, despite his background.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,342
    kle4 said:

    Boris just wanted to screw TSE's thread so waited for it go up before breaking the news.

    A reminder to PBers, Mike's on holiday until Monday.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,558
    Brilliant news!
  • QTWTAIN
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,713

    Never trust Boris.
    Is he going to stand again in Uxbridge? Or, even, Mid Beds? And, could he win?

    I can see him running an explicitly anti-Rishi, pro-populist campaign, and - shudder - winning.

    By doing so he neatly avoids censure and comes back stronger than ever.

    I was just thinking to myself of the playbook based around "Ken Livingston standing as an 'independent' then returning, triumphant, to the fold"...
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    geoffw said:

    It won't be the last we hear of Boris Johnson, not by a long chalk

    He's a busted flush.

    Lacks the support of MPs. The only way back for him is if the tories are hammered at the next election and they turn to him.

  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,220
    Good riddance to Johnson . Clearly the committee findings were damning and now he’s playing the martyr .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    I think we can count today as the countdown to the next GE. We've not really yet moved on from Boris, and so his departure marks the closure of this chapter of the story, and the rest is just a slow dragging out as Rishi ekes out as much time as PM as he can manage.

    With angry Borisites now free to act out without consequence, dispirited core Tories, 'moderates' without ideas or support, and economical and governmental systems affected by a malaise so deep it makes you understand why people gave Truss a shot, there's no recovery from here.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352
    Johnson and Dorries 4D Chess?
    What bollocks. Neither have any political strategy skills whatsoever.
    Wanted Brexit. No idea how to go about it.
    Wanted to be PM. No plan for how to achieve any of his advertised goals.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,342
    Donald Trump’s lawyers have resigned shortly after he became the first former President ever to be indicted on federal charges.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667251157339701248
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,134
    If Johnson does stand in Mid Beds it will be vitally important that he loses. Otherwise he would have received explicit backing from the electorate of Mid Beds for setting aside any system of holding politicians to any level of standards. They would have approved of his lying to the House.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,580
    He’s gone full Donald. Dangerous.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,780
    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918

    Donald Trump’s lawyers have resigned shortly after he became the first former President ever to be indicted on federal charges.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667251157339701248

    He has so many lawyers (many of whom end up quitting or even turning on him). Gods know why they work for him.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 687
    A very Trumpian response from Boris....it was the other lot!!
    He should be thankful he is not going to jail... is he?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,713

    kle4 said:

    Boris just wanted to screw TSE's thread so waited for it go up before breaking the news.

    A reminder to PBers, Mike's on holiday until Monday.
    Just as the tactical nukes move in Belarus and now *this*. And I've just poured some fizzy lemon into some ice lolly moulds too. If this all goes a bit 'Threads' before I've had a chance to try them I'll be well miffed.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,713
    edited June 2023
    kle4 said:

    Donald Trump’s lawyers have resigned shortly after he became the first former President ever to be indicted on federal charges.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667251157339701248

    He has so many lawyers (many of whom end up quitting or even turning on him). Gods know why they work for him.
    Huge amounts of IOU's money, assumedly?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    edited June 2023

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    Most Tory members will demand Sunak lets him stand again
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    nico679 said:

    Good riddance to Johnson . Clearly the committee findings were damning and now he’s playing the martyr .

    Given the level of resistance and bluster he has engaged in to date, it is telling he decided to go out early in theatrical fashion rather than drag it out to a vote and recall petition. It does suggest that at the least he saw no further benefit to

    I assume he felt the point he wanted had already been made - his supporters have long referred to the committee as a kangaroo court - and would not strengthened any further, so no point in belabouring it.

    Choosing Trump indictment day is an interesting choice.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    What’s he said about Rishi?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    On previous thread, if not this one, is there any polling on what proportion of FLORIDA Republicans don’t care if their president is a convicted felon? Because they do care about denying convicted felons the right to vote, even where the conviction is for the flimsiest misdemeanour imaginable.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You’re ignoring his explicit criticism of Sunak. If you’re right it becomes a test of your leader’s authority. Such division would be terminal for this government.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,805
    Evening all :)

    The first point is, sans Johnson, Uxbridge & South Ruislip is going to be a tougher seat to hold - not impossible but given current polling, difficult. The Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election in late 2021 saw a 10% swing to Labour - that would be enough to turn Uxbridge & South Ruislip red.

    Let's assume with fanfares, Johnson arrives in Flitwick (not quite Caesar entering Rome).

    There are two questions - what happens if he wins and what happens if he loses?

    Those claiming to be masters of 4-D chess might want to consider each scenario.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,249
    kle4 said:

    Donald Trump’s lawyers have resigned shortly after he became the first former President ever to be indicted on federal charges.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667251157339701248

    He has so many lawyers (many of whom end up quitting or even turning on him). Gods know why they work for him.
    He wants to support the university sector. He's patron of the Trump University "Defence of Donald Trump" faculty, which outputs thousands of lawyers a year for the purposes of defending Donald Trump.

    There's a place somewhere that has cages full of 'em, available to go on TV to defend Donald Trump ...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,780

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    What’s he said about Rishi?
    He has virtually accused him of surrendering brexit
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,923
    edited June 2023
    Boris, unlike Farage, actually could get a new party set up and winning seats in the Commons under the Brexiteer flag if he wanted to.

    Of course, he won’t, as that would involve work. He now gets to double down on lectures/articles/books on why he was right all along.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,220
    Will the privileges committee still issue their report or is that the end of it ?
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 687
    2 down.... Putin out of a window next??
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    Bit of an odd way to go about it though isn't it? Sticking it out through the process would have rallied MPs to explicitly come out and back him, and undermine Rishi massively.

    Seems more likely it's a nod to a future comeback - once Rishi loses big in 2024, and Boris can point to the contrast with his own time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,342
    ohnotnow said:

    kle4 said:

    Boris just wanted to screw TSE's thread so waited for it go up before breaking the news.

    A reminder to PBers, Mike's on holiday until Monday.
    Just as the tactical nukes move in Belarus and now *this*. And I've just poured some fizzy lemon into some ice lolly moulds too. If this all goes a bit 'Threads' before I've had a chance to try them I'll be well miffed.
    Mike takes back control Monday morning.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    Penddu2 said:

    2 down.... Putin out of a window next??

    We're not that lucky.

    (and sadly one of them is not yet down either).
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,780
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    Most Tory members will demand Sunak lets him stand again
    Conservative mps will not support Johnson standing this side of a GE24
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    What of Moon Rabbit’s predictions now?
  • Anything new, lads? Been a long day at work.

    Oh.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,713
    biggles said:

    Boris, unlike Farage, actually could get a new party set up and winning seats in the Commons under the Brexiteer flag.

    Of course, he won’t, as that would involve work. He now gets to double down on lectures/articles/books on why he was right all along.

    Boris/Farage dream ticket. Apart from the ego clash of course. And by 'ego' I obviously mean deeply held philosophical and political beliefs. To be clear.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,923
    Penddu2 said:

    2 down.... Putin out of a window next??

    Sigh…. And now the idiots who think Boris is similar to Trump and/or has links to Putin come out and make me want to defend him.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,077
    What happens to the report now?

    After all, if Boris isn't an MP, there's nothing to discuss.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Boris is gone. :+1:

    Now for Trump... "Lock him up!"
  • MiklosvarMiklosvar Posts: 1,855
    Heathener said:

    A bit breathless from @TSE

    He would have to be selected. Sunak would make sure it didn't happen. And he would lose anyway.

    So probably 'no'.

    Da grass rootz is livid at their darling liz being turfed out and then not getting a say over Rishi. Selection committees are autonomous, rishi does not have the power to tell them what to do.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    Good riddance to Johnson . Clearly the committee findings were damning and now he’s playing the martyr .

    Given the level of resistance and bluster he has engaged in to date, it is telling he decided to go out early in theatrical fashion rather than drag it out to a vote and recall petition. It does suggest that at the least he saw no further benefit to

    I assume he felt the point he wanted had already been made - his supporters have long referred to the committee as a kangaroo court - and would not strengthened any further, so no point in belabouring it.

    Choosing Trump indictment day is an interesting choice.
    If that’s his game I don’t think he’ll get far with it. He’s not Trump, and the public mood on Boris has shifted fairly definitively.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    Most Tory members will demand Sunak lets him stand again
    Tory members will quite properly be told to f*** off.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    The first point is, sans Johnson, Uxbridge & South Ruislip is going to be a tougher seat to hold - not impossible but given current polling, difficult. The Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election in late 2021 saw a 10% swing to Labour - that would be enough to turn Uxbridge & South Ruislip red.

    Let's assume with fanfares, Johnson arrives in Flitwick (not quite Caesar entering Rome).

    There are two questions - what happens if he wins and what happens if he loses?

    Those claiming to be masters of 4-D chess might want to consider each scenario.

    A more interesting scenario (and perhaps more realistic), is what if he goes down the Ken Livingstone route in Mid-Beds?

    (The Independent candidate, not the musings on Hitler, that is)
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    Most Tory members will demand Sunak lets him stand again
    Which is why the Conservative Party is not fit for govt.

    IMO it is basically corrupt to the core...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    What’s he said about Rishi?
    He has virtually accused him of surrendering brexit
    He really is a malign individual.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    Most people looking at this are just going to conclude that the tory party are in total disarray.

    Expect a further plunge in their polling deficit, close to the Liz Truss days.

    Chaos.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,077
    edited June 2023
    Some more news in in the last half hour..

    "A new pro-Boris caucus of Tory MP's, thought to be 100-strong and calling itself "Save Democracy and Save Boris", is threatening a challenge to Rishi Sunak's leadership.

    Nadine Dorries, considered a key figure in the new SDSB grouping, is threatening to start a new party if Sunak does not publicly defend her former leader and pinup."

    NEW THREAD..
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,780
    nico679 said:

    Will the privileges committee still issue their report or is that the end of it ?

    Good point but I assume the report is negated by his immediate resignation
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,220
    Johnson blaming Brexit revenge which is ludicrous given the committee has a majority of Tory MPs .

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,277
    DougSeal said:

    What of Moon Rabbit’s predictions now?

    MoonRabbit’s predictions have only a glancing overlap with reality, so I suspect they remain unchanged.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 687
    kle4 said:

    Penddu2 said:

    2 down.... Putin out of a window next??

    We're not that lucky.

    (and sadly one of them is not yet down either).
    but is well on his way...
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    Most Tory members will demand Sunak lets him stand again
    Conservative mps will not support Johnson standing this side of a GE24
    Yep there's no chance.

    He's not popular with his MPs especially after the fiasco of the last leadership coitus interruptus.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    Ghedebrav said:

    kle4 said:

    nico679 said:

    Good riddance to Johnson . Clearly the committee findings were damning and now he’s playing the martyr .

    Given the level of resistance and bluster he has engaged in to date, it is telling he decided to go out early in theatrical fashion rather than drag it out to a vote and recall petition. It does suggest that at the least he saw no further benefit to

    I assume he felt the point he wanted had already been made - his supporters have long referred to the committee as a kangaroo court - and would not strengthened any further, so no point in belabouring it.

    Choosing Trump indictment day is an interesting choice.
    If that’s his game I don’t think he’ll get far with it. He’s not Trump, and the public mood on Boris has shifted fairly definitively.
    A big difference as well is for all the support he undoubtedly still has in the party and parliament, our MPs really are tougher (more protected from primary challengers for a start) - they forced him out initially, and however much some might regret that many others do not, even if they know they are heading for defeat.
    Miklosvar said:

    Heathener said:

    A bit breathless from @TSE

    He would have to be selected. Sunak would make sure it didn't happen. And he would lose anyway.

    So probably 'no'.

    Da grass rootz is livid at their darling liz being turfed out and then not getting a say over Rishi. Selection committees are autonomous, rishi does not have the power to tell them what to do.
    That seems improbable - Corbyn's lot said the same thing but the Labour party rules allow the national body to get involved, I'd be astonished if the Tory rulebook did not permit the same.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    Johnson will be releasing his sob story soon, alongside the usual Boris lovers rallying around him
  • TresTres Posts: 2,687
    Same old Johnson, always lying.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    What’s he said about Rishi?
    He has virtually accused him of surrendering brexit
    He's also calling for large tax cuts.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    edited June 2023
    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    Most Tory members will demand Sunak lets him stand again
    Conservative mps will not support Johnson standing this side of a GE24
    Yep there's no chance.

    He's not popular with his MPs especially after the fiasco of the last leadership coitus interruptus.
    Not as PM and Conservative Leader maybe, but there would be uproar from the party grassroots and at least a third of Conservative MPs if Sunak and the Tory leadership try and prevent Boris even standing again as an MP
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,220

    nico679 said:

    Will the privileges committee still issue their report or is that the end of it ?

    Good point but I assume the report is negated by his immediate resignation
    Doesn’t this mean though that he can effectively stop them releasing what would be a damning conclusion, play the martyr , stand again in the future and come back .
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,327

    Donald Trump’s lawyers have resigned shortly after he became the first former President ever to be indicted on federal charges.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667251157339701248

    Listening to that news clip, these charges sound flimsy and unconvincing. It sounds exactly how he describes it, a witch hunt.
    In practical terms this situation will simply assist his re-election bid and it will be likely to do terminal damage to US politics and society.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,492

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    Most Tory members will demand Sunak lets him stand again
    Conservative mps will not support Johnson standing this side of a GE24
    That may well suit Johnson, to avoid being tainted by the bloodbath at the next GE, then to turn up as the saviour.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    biggles said:

    Penddu2 said:

    2 down.... Putin out of a window next??

    Sigh…. And now the idiots who think Boris is similar to Trump and/or has links to Putin come out and make me want to defend him.
    Are there some similarities? Sure. But people overplay it. Boris is establishment through and through. He's no outsider moulding the party to his whims, he's a aprt of the factional ebb and flow. He's sound on Ukraine, covid, he's actually fairly liberal in several areas, etc. He's awful in many other ways, but the Trump line, for me, just downplays where he is awful in a different way, and, pains me to say it, forces ignoring where he is sound.

    Boris is also demonstrably a winner compared to Trump.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Boris standing again would be a direct challenge to Sunak’s authority. Either way that ends the overall effect on the Conservative Party would be a catastrophe. Divided doesn’t come close.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,220
    darkage said:

    Donald Trump’s lawyers have resigned shortly after he became the first former President ever to be indicted on federal charges.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667251157339701248

    Listening to that news clip, these charges sound flimsy and unconvincing. It sounds exactly how he describes it, a witch hunt.
    In practical terms this situation will simply assist his re-election bid and it will be likely to do terminal damage to US politics and society.
    Have you read the endictments . The charges are very serious .
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,365
    Tres said:

    Same old Johnson, always lying.

    And here is an example. Pure Trump translated into Borisese.


    “I am now being forced out of parliament by a tiny handful of people, with no evidence to back up their assertions, and without the approval even of Conservative party members let alone the wider electorate.”

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,780
    Heathener said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    Most Tory members will demand Sunak lets him stand again
    Conservative mps will not support Johnson standing this side of a GE24
    Yep there's no chance.

    He's not popular with his MPs especially after the fiasco of the last leadership coitus interruptus.
    Johnson’s action tonight has ensured those who may have given him a pass will reject his malign and disloyal resignation

    I hope that the parliamentary party will now close in behind Sunak though this will have a damaging effect on the party
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352
    darkage said:

    Donald Trump’s lawyers have resigned shortly after he became the first former President ever to be indicted on federal charges.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667251157339701248

    Listening to that news clip, these charges sound flimsy and unconvincing. It sounds exactly how he describes it, a witch hunt.
    In practical terms this situation will simply assist his re-election bid and it will be likely to do terminal damage to US politics and society.
    What????

    Oh. You're talking about Trump...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,824
    We are shit at prediction. Nobody predicted an immediate resignation. :(
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,031
    The cancer is expunging itself.

    Now, let's get back to a proper Conservative party and prepare to beat Labour next year.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,374
    DougSeal said:

    Boris standing again would be a direct challenge to Sunak’s authority. Either way that ends the overall effect on the Conservative Party would be a catastrophe. Divided doesn’t come close.

    Corbyn will likely stand again in Islington North as an Independent, despite the NEC blocking him standing again as a Labour candidate
  • mickydroymickydroy Posts: 316
    These Tories, just think it's all about them, couldn't give a fuck about the country, what we need is a General Election, turkeys won't vote for Xmas unfortunately
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,923
    dixiedean said:

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    The first point is, sans Johnson, Uxbridge & South Ruislip is going to be a tougher seat to hold - not impossible but given current polling, difficult. The Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election in late 2021 saw a 10% swing to Labour - that would be enough to turn Uxbridge & South Ruislip red.

    Let's assume with fanfares, Johnson arrives in Flitwick (not quite Caesar entering Rome).

    There are two questions - what happens if he wins and what happens if he loses?

    Those claiming to be masters of 4-D chess might want to consider each scenario.

    A more interesting scenario (and perhaps more realistic), is what if he goes down the Ken Livingstone route in Mid-Beds?

    (The Independent candidate, not the musings on Hitler, that is)
    An interesting thought. He’d win handily of course.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,805
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    CatMan said:

    Was that the shortest thread in PB history?

    All the posters last thread seemed to miss the key qualification in Boris' statement 'it is very sad to be leaving parliament...AT LEAST FOR NOW.' Based on that he could well stand as the Conservative candidate in the by election, Uxbridge Tories have already re selected him as their parliamentary candidate
    You must be in shock but many of us are delighted he has resigned

    He has torn into the privileges committee and Rishi Sunak and I doubt Sunak is going to endorse him standing again
    Most Tory members will demand Sunak lets him stand again
    What's your position? IF Boris is disallowed as a candidate, would you consider your position as a Conservative Party member?

    Earlier, there was some comment on the way Starmer had purged the Corbynites from the Labour Party - perhaps this will be Sunak's opportunity to purge Johnson and his supporters - in any event, what could party members do? Yes, they could challenge their sitting MP but they have no power (short of de-selection) to compel their MP to write in to challenge Sunak.

    In any case, what would it look like to a puzzled electorate - yet another Conservative leadership upheaval?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    darkage said:

    Donald Trump’s lawyers have resigned shortly after he became the first former President ever to be indicted on federal charges.

    https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1667251157339701248

    Listening to that news clip, these charges sound flimsy and unconvincing. It sounds exactly how he describes it, a witch hunt.
    In practical terms this situation will simply assist his re-election bid and it will be likely to do terminal damage to US politics and society.
    It doesn't sound flimsy to me. It sounds like an unsexy case where he has needlessly held onto documents he was not supposed to and obstructed their return. The public don't care about that sort of thing (except with their opponents, see him and Hilary), but having read the indictment the facts are pretty basic and compelling in that his aide moved stuff to hide it from the FBI and others, and the trickier part may be proving he definitely did that at Trump's direction - though there are quotes.

    Yes it will help his re-election bid, he may even win the presidential election, but the indictment is far more convincing than the NY case, which relies on several complex predicates.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,780
    Sky saying even those close to Johnson are shocked tonight and asking why has he done it

    I expect he will haemorrhage a lot of support within the party
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    The cancer is expunging itself.

    Now, let's get back to a proper Conservative party and prepare to beat Labour next year.

    For once I agree with you... well partly. In order to get back to a proper Conservative party, they need time in opposition. There is still plenty of cancer needing removal.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,352
    kle4 said:

    biggles said:

    Penddu2 said:

    2 down.... Putin out of a window next??

    Sigh…. And now the idiots who think Boris is similar to Trump and/or has links to Putin come out and make me want to defend him.
    Are there some similarities? Sure. But people overplay it. Boris is establishment through and through. He's no outsider moulding the party to his whims, he's a aprt of the factional ebb and flow. He's sound on Ukraine, covid, he's actually fairly liberal in several areas, etc. He's awful in many other ways, but the Trump line, for me, just downplays where he is awful in a different way, and, pains me to say it, forces ignoring where he is sound.

    Boris is also demonstrably a winner compared to Trump.
    In what way is he a winner by comparison?
    Both won one election.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 5,923
    kle4 said:

    biggles said:

    Penddu2 said:

    2 down.... Putin out of a window next??

    Sigh…. And now the idiots who think Boris is similar to Trump and/or has links to Putin come out and make me want to defend him.
    Are there some similarities? Sure. But people overplay it. Boris is establishment through and through. He's no outsider moulding the party to his whims, he's a aprt of the factional ebb and flow. He's sound on Ukraine, covid, he's actually fairly liberal in several areas, etc. He's awful in many other ways, but the Trump line, for me, just downplays where he is awful in a different way, and, pains me to say it, forces ignoring where he is sound.

    Boris is also demonstrably a winner compared to Trump.
    Yup it’s all just lazy analogies. Boris is within the norms of Parliamentary democracy. Trump is not.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918

    Sky saying even those close to Johnson are shocked tonight and asking why has he done it

    I expect he will haemorrhage a lot of support within the party

    Eh, who knows on the latter, but I can believe the first - one thing that did for Boris in the end was he was constantly demanding MPs in general defend his behaviour and actions, then he'd do the same thing again or u-turn on a policy or something, making them look like fools. They finally had enough of being treated that way.

    It would be fitting if many of them were really gearing up to back him one last time, truly believed in doing so too, and he pulled the rug from under them.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,824
    MaxPB said:

    Brilliant news!

    Welcome back
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,249

    Johnson will be releasing his sob story soon, alongside the usual Boris lovers rallying around him

    There are precious few Boris-lovers on here tonight. It'd be interesting to go back to 2019 and see how many posters refusing BJ now were firmly BJ-lovers then ... ;)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 21,824
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  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,220
    The committee should release their report . Why should Johnson get to play the martyr .
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    Boris standing again would be a direct challenge to Sunak’s authority. Either way that ends the overall effect on the Conservative Party would be a catastrophe. Divided doesn’t come close.

    Corbyn will likely stand again in Islington North as an Independent, despite the NEC blocking him standing again as a Labour candidate
    At the next GE. Not now. And not as a Labour candidate. The differences are obvious.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,918
    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    biggles said:

    Penddu2 said:

    2 down.... Putin out of a window next??

    Sigh…. And now the idiots who think Boris is similar to Trump and/or has links to Putin come out and make me want to defend him.
    Are there some similarities? Sure. But people overplay it. Boris is establishment through and through. He's no outsider moulding the party to his whims, he's a aprt of the factional ebb and flow. He's sound on Ukraine, covid, he's actually fairly liberal in several areas, etc. He's awful in many other ways, but the Trump line, for me, just downplays where he is awful in a different way, and, pains me to say it, forces ignoring where he is sound.

    Boris is also demonstrably a winner compared to Trump.
    In what way is he a winner by comparison?
    Both won one election.
    Boris won big at a GE and has won at lower levels when it was no easy task, and his win left his party in a better place. Such a good place that even now it isn't impossible they cling on (just hard).
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