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  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris is pretty astute about avoiding fights he can’t win. Look at the withdrawal from the leadership election after Cameron resigned. He must have calculated that without the active support of Sunak he had no chance of overturning the committee’s recommendations. He was probably right.

    Will he be back? Not while Sunak is there but that is only 15 months or so.

    Why would he want to come back?

    I've been saying for a long time he'd take the Chiltern Hundreds and coin it in from the lecture tour.

    He'd have more dignity if he'd done so when he resigned as PM, like Blair and Cameron, instead of doing so now though.

    His attitude today is just pathetic.
    Don't you feel cheated? Someone you praised to the hilt just two years ago turns out to be the creep many suspected he was
    All political careers end in failure.

    *snip*

    Not strictly true - untimely death happens occasionally.
  • Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    That attitude needs junking.

    They use electricity. Electricity can be clean. If you have solar power and an air con for instance, then how bad is it for the environment, given that you'd only put the air con on in a day that's getting lots of solar power normally.

    We need to move on from a failed attitude of "energy is bad" to thinking "energy is good, but it needs to be clean".
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    edited June 2023

    GIN1138 said:

    Check out Nige's Tweet


    Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    Whatever the failures of Boris Johnson’s time as PM, I will always be thankful for him joining the Brexit campaign.

    Nigel saying something nice about Boris? Nah!

    Boris is going to stand at Mid-Beds for REFORM... If he fizzles out that's the end of him and REFORM.

    If he wins he will become REFORM leader and might just split the Conservatives for the next 30 years at the next election.

    Things have just got very serious for Con. We could be at an 1846 moment.

    Gosh, I do hope you're right!
    Brexit = Corn Laws

    Con might spend most of this Century out of power as they did in the 1800s ;)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,468
    eek said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Check out Nige's Tweet


    Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    Whatever the failures of Boris Johnson’s time as PM, I will always be thankful for him joining the Brexit campaign.

    Nigel saying something nice about Boris? Nah!

    Boris is going to stand at Mid-Beds for REFORM... If he fizzles out that's the end of him and REFORM.

    If he wins he will become REFORM leader and might just split the Conservatives for the next 30 years at the next election.

    Things have just got very serious for Con. We could be at an 1846 moment.

    No chance - reform just doesn’t have the number of troops to get the votes out and who is going to vote for Bozo when he hasn’t got any real power
    RefUK can't win enough votes to win more than a handful of seats. And probably the handful they win will be a hand that has just had a terrible accident with a mincing machine.

    But they can take enough votes from the Conservatives to cause real trouble. Thirty percent gets 150 seats, twenty percent might not get 50.

    Spiteful and self-harming, but what else is RefUK for?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    That attitude needs junking.

    They use electricity. Electricity can be clean. If you have solar power and an air con for instance, then how bad is it for the environment, given that you'd only put the air con on in a day that's getting lots of solar power normally.

    We need to move on from a failed attitude of "energy is bad" to thinking "energy is good, but it needs to be clean".
    Absolutely: we shouldn't be afraid of human progress. Clean water, air conditioning, modern medicine, etc are all amazing things that increase the sum of human happiness.

    We just need to make sure that we're managing and minimizing those externalities.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Assuming you are in the UK it's hardly warm and certainly not humid. Just open the window ffs!

    You are doing your bit to add to global warming needlessly running an A/C in the UK in this weather.
    In the 40 degree heat last year opening the window made it worse, not better. I wish I had air con last year.
    Well, use when the temperature gets to 40 and humidity is >80%, not when it's in the 20s and less than 70% - that's just pathetic, tbh.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,478
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Check out Nige's Tweet


    Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    Whatever the failures of Boris Johnson’s time as PM, I will always be thankful for him joining the Brexit campaign.

    Nigel saying something nice about Boris? Nah!

    Boris is going to stand at Mid-Beds for REFORM... If he fizzles out that's the end of him and REFORM.

    If he wins he will become REFORM leader and might just split the Conservatives for the next 30 years at the next election.

    Things have just got very serious for Con. We could be at an 1846 moment.

    Gosh, I do hope you're right!
    Brexit = Corn Laws

    Con might spend most of this Century out of power as they did in the 1800s ;)
    Yes, I remember it well. A golden age.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    IanB2 said:

    He won’t stand in mid Beds.

    Nad resigns her seat and a couple of hours later Boris quits his seat. Meanwhile Nigel goes on social media and starts showing Boris some leg.

    You don't think it all looks totally orchestrated?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,972
    edited June 2023

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Nope. Granite walls instead of brick.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Newsnight is a must watch. Campbell Bannerman is a nutter!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,491

    How long can the two by-elections be postponed for?

    Asking for a friend Sishi Runak

    All the way until the next general election.
    I thought it was only in the final six months of a Parliament they can be delayed until the next election?
    So far as I remember, there's no actual requirement for when a writ is called. It's up to Parliament. It can theoretically be put off until a general election occurs.
    It is traditional to call a by-election within 3 months, but that's just tradition.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06576/ says, "There is nothing in statute law or in Standing Orders obliging the House to move a writ for a by-election. It could choose to leave the seat without representation until the next General Election (General Elections must be held every five years)."

    The 2011 Belfast West by-election is the longest delay since 1975, I think, at nearly 4 months.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    You are spot on right.
    He may be minded.
    But it would involve some hard graft.
    Which is lucky for the rest of us.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,126
    edited June 2023
    QTWTAIN... Johnson is in far more trouble than the public know. So is Trump.

    In unrelated news, Putin is on his last legs.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
    But quite unnecessary in UK homes.
  • Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Assuming you are in the UK it's hardly warm and certainly not humid. Just open the window ffs!

    You are doing your bit to add to global warming needlessly running an A/C in the UK in this weather.
    In the 40 degree heat last year opening the window made it worse, not better. I wish I had air con last year.
    Well, use when the temperature gets to 40 and humidity is >80%, not when it's in the 20s and less than 70% - that's just pathetic, tbh.
    I was doing a lot of driving today and had the air con on while doing so. At low speeds I'd open a window, but on the motorway the air con is much more pleasant. And all the glass of the car means you get quite hot without it even in this temperature.

    Its up to everyone to enjoy their lives however they see fit. The solution to climate change is not living miserably, its managing and eliminating the externalities so we can enjoy what we want to enjoy without polluting the wider world.

    Clean electricity is the answer to climate change. Telling people to do without, is not.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    A

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    Run them off solar power. If you have moderately decent insulation and decentish window glass, you can still run a profit (sell leccy) from the panels while cooling the room down during the day.

    You can also use aircon in reverse (air source heating) to heat rooms in the winter.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,168
    Big Emms Thornberry putting collaboration with LDs to the sword.

    ‘No chance of working with the Libdems in Mid Beds or Uxbridge?’

    ‘Certainly not!’
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Assuming you are in the UK it's hardly warm and certainly not humid. Just open the window ffs!

    You are doing your bit to add to global warming needlessly running an A/C in the UK in this weather.
    In the 40 degree heat last year opening the window made it worse, not better. I wish I had air con last year.
    Well, use when the temperature gets to 40 and humidity is >80%, not when it's in the 20s and less than 70% - that's just pathetic, tbh.
    I was doing a lot of driving today and had the air con on while doing so. At low speeds I'd open a window, but on the motorway the air con is much more pleasant. And all the glass of the car means you get quite hot without it even in this temperature.

    Its up to everyone to enjoy their lives however they see fit. The solution to climate change is not living miserably, its managing and eliminating the externalities so we can enjoy what we want to enjoy without polluting the wider world.

    Clean electricity is the answer to climate change. Telling people to do without, is not.
    Now you've moved the goalposts. We were talking about residential A/C.

    In cars of course they are a boon - driving with the A/C on is more efficient than driving with the windows open at most speeds.
  • Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
    But quite unnecessary in UK homes.
    Sky TV is quite unnecessary.

    Beer is quite unnecessary.

    Fibre broadband is quite unnecessary.

    Playstations are quite unnecessary.

    Life is about more than necessities. Why deny someone a pleasure, just because it uses electricity, which should be generated cleanly anyway?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,069

    How long can the two by-elections be postponed for?

    Asking for a friend Sishi Runak

    All the way until the next general election.
    I thought it was only in the final six months of a Parliament they can be delayed until the next election?
    So far as I remember, there's no actual requirement for when a writ is called. It's up to Parliament. It can theoretically be put off until a general election occurs.
    It is traditional to call a by-election within 3 months, but that's just tradition.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06576/ says, "There is nothing in statute law or in Standing Orders obliging the House to move a writ for a by-election. It could choose to leave the seat without representation until the next General Election (General Elections must be held every five years)."

    The 2011 Belfast West by-election is the longest delay since 1975, I think, at nearly 4 months.
    I refer the honourable member to my post at 10:40pm
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
    But quite unnecessary in UK homes.
    Except for the couple of weeks a year when UK homes tend to overheat, and the rest of the time they can provide heating more efficiently than most other technologies.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,468
    Ghedebrav said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris is pretty astute about avoiding fights he can’t win. Look at the withdrawal from the leadership election after Cameron resigned. He must have calculated that without the active support of Sunak he had no chance of overturning the committee’s recommendations. He was probably right.

    Will he be back? Not while Sunak is there but that is only 15 months or so.

    Why would he want to come back?

    I've been saying for a long time he'd take the Chiltern Hundreds and coin it in from the lecture tour.

    He'd have more dignity if he'd done so when he resigned as PM, like Blair and Cameron, instead of doing so now though.

    His attitude today is just pathetic.
    Don't you feel cheated? Someone you praised to the hilt just two years ago turns out to be the creep many suspected he was
    All political careers end in failure.

    *snip*

    Not strictly true - untimely death happens occasionally.
    I'm sure we've done this before, but who?

    John Smith for Labour, Iain Macleod for the Conservatives?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    Was warmish when the Sun came out today.
    Regretted wearing no vest or coat to school.
    13° tops.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Check out Nige's Tweet


    Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    Whatever the failures of Boris Johnson’s time as PM, I will always be thankful for him joining the Brexit campaign.

    Nigel saying something nice about Boris? Nah!

    Boris is going to stand at Mid-Beds for REFORM... If he fizzles out that's the end of him and REFORM.

    If he wins he will become REFORM leader and might just split the Conservatives for the next 30 years at the next election.

    Things have just got very serious for Con. We could be at an 1846 moment.

    Gosh, I do hope you're right!
    Brexit = Corn Laws

    Con might spend most of this Century out of power as they did in the 1800s ;)
    Brexit = the repeal of the Corn Laws.

    But yes the effect might well be the same.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647

    Johnson resignation list published

    Looks like Dorries has been left off

    Highlights:

    Boris Johnson's resignation honours list:

    Knighthoods:

    Conor Burns
    Simon Clarke
    Ben Elliot
    Michael Fabricant
    Will Lewis
    Jacob Rees Mogg

    Damehoods:

    Andrea Jenkyns
    Amanda Milling
    Priti Patel
    Ann Sindall
    Shelley Williams-Walker


    Peerages:

    Shaun Bailey
    Ben Gascoigne
    Ben Houchen
    Ross Kempsell
    Charlotte Owen
    Kulveer Ranger
    Dan Rosenfield

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1667202060683444228

    It's a bit lavender, isn't it?

    There's one for the teenagers.
    It’s The Wine List.

    And Big G is utterly wrong imo there is no reason Nadine should have been blocked by Rishi.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    Wrong.
    Blairism was popular.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited June 2023
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Check out Nige's Tweet


    Nigel Farage
    @Nigel_Farage
    ·
    1h
    Whatever the failures of Boris Johnson’s time as PM, I will always be thankful for him joining the Brexit campaign.

    Nigel saying something nice about Boris? Nah!

    Boris is going to stand at Mid-Beds for REFORM... If he fizzles out that's the end of him and REFORM.

    If he wins he will become REFORM leader and might just split the Conservatives for the next 30 years at the next election.

    Things have just got very serious for Con. We could be at an 1846 moment.

    Gosh, I do hope you're right!
    Brexit = Corn Laws

    Con might spend most of this Century out of power as they did in the 1800s ;)
    A bit of an exaggeration, after Peel repealed the Corn Laws and left the Conservatives in 1846 to form his own free trade Peelite party (which ultimately merged with the Whigs and Radicals to form the Liberal Party in 1859) the Conservatives were in government several more times that century. Under the Earl of Aberdeen from 1852-1855, under the Earl of Derby from 1858-9 and 1866-68 and Disraeli in 1868 and from 1874 to 1880.

    Most notably of all though under Salisbury from 1885-86, 1886-92 and 1895-1902.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
    But quite unnecessary in UK homes.
    Certainly so far this year. It has been bloody cold, at least on the Eastern side of the country.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    I heard Johnson's defence which quite simply can be precised as "infamy, infamy, they've all got it infamy"
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    Was it though? Didn't feel like it to me.
    Because populism to you is things that other people like that are popular.

    Blairism was populism on steroids. He did almost everything on opinion polls etc - about the only possible exception was the Iraq War.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    Was it though? Didn't feel like it to me.
    Well I assume you agred with most of it so it wouldn't feel like populism.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,806

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
    But quite unnecessary in UK homes.
    Sky TV is quite unnecessary.

    Beer is quite unnecessary.

    Fibre broadband is quite unnecessary.

    Playstations are quite unnecessary.

    Life is about more than necessities. Why deny someone a pleasure, just because it uses electricity, which should be generated cleanly anyway?
    Oh, come down off your high-horse, I'm in no position to stop anybody wasting their money on home aircon.

    I'm just pointing out was a waste of money and energy it is in the UK. And until we are using no renewables in the summer every home aircon will be adding to global warming.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    You seem to be confusing popular and populism.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    edited June 2023
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    Was it though? Didn't feel like it to me.
    That's because it aligned with what you felt at the time, but I promise you that you would feel uneasy re-reading some of the language Blair used in his speeches. He even spoke about making Britain "a great country again".
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    Genuine legal and procedural question. Does the recommendation of punishment of Johnson not go ahead now he has resigned as an MP? Surely it must still hang over him, because resigning Uxbridge winning Mid Staffs shouldn’t by pass the procedure and punishment completely?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,126

    Ghedebrav said:

    Roger said:

    DavidL said:

    Boris is pretty astute about avoiding fights he can’t win. Look at the withdrawal from the leadership election after Cameron resigned. He must have calculated that without the active support of Sunak he had no chance of overturning the committee’s recommendations. He was probably right.

    Will he be back? Not while Sunak is there but that is only 15 months or so.

    Why would he want to come back?

    I've been saying for a long time he'd take the Chiltern Hundreds and coin it in from the lecture tour.

    He'd have more dignity if he'd done so when he resigned as PM, like Blair and Cameron, instead of doing so now though.

    His attitude today is just pathetic.
    Don't you feel cheated? Someone you praised to the hilt just two years ago turns out to be the creep many suspected he was
    All political careers end in failure.

    *snip*

    Not strictly true - untimely death happens occasionally.
    I'm sure we've done this before, but who?

    John Smith for Labour, Iain Macleod for the Conservatives?
    Actually Charles Kennedy too. He could have had decades
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    edited June 2023

    Is Christopher Hope the most unreliable journalist in the world?

    Tucker says don’t be daft.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    edited June 2023

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    I'm not sure what they're selling in the UK nowadays but over here a typical aircon unit can be run in reverse to generate heat when you're cold, and being a heat pump it will typically be quite a bit more efficient than whatever you were using for that purpose before. Since the UK isn't hot for very long, and when you do run an aircon it only has to change the temperature by a few degrees, I wouldn't be surprised if installing units like this ended up saving more power than it uses.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,491

    Big Emms Thornberry putting collaboration with LDs to the sword.

    ‘No chance of working with the Libdems in Mid Beds or Uxbridge?’

    ‘Certainly not!’

    There will be no formal collaboration. It will be easy for Labour to focus their efforts on Uxbridge while the LibDems focus on Mid-Beds, with a bit of a wink wink.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,657

    Johnson resignation list published

    Looks like Dorries has been left off

    Highlights:

    Boris Johnson's resignation honours list:

    Knighthoods:

    Conor Burns
    Simon Clarke
    Ben Elliot
    Michael Fabricant
    Will Lewis
    Jacob Rees Mogg

    Damehoods:

    Andrea Jenkyns
    Amanda Milling
    Priti Patel
    Ann Sindall
    Shelley Williams-Walker


    Peerages:

    Shaun Bailey
    Ben Gascoigne
    Ben Houchen
    Ross Kempsell
    Charlotte Owen
    Kulveer Ranger
    Dan Rosenfield

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1667202060683444228

    It's a bit lavender, isn't it?

    There's one for the teenagers.
    It’s The Wine List.

    And Big G is utterly wrong imo there is no reason Nadine should have been blocked by Rishi.
    She wasn't

    The HOL appointment committee changed Johnson list and sent it back to Sunak and precluded Dorries and others from the original one
  • Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
    But quite unnecessary in UK homes.
    Sky TV is quite unnecessary.

    Beer is quite unnecessary.

    Fibre broadband is quite unnecessary.

    Playstations are quite unnecessary.

    Life is about more than necessities. Why deny someone a pleasure, just because it uses electricity, which should be generated cleanly anyway?
    Oh, come down off your high-horse, I'm in no position to stop anybody wasting their money on home aircon.

    I'm just pointing out was a waste of money and energy it is in the UK. And until we are using no renewables in the summer every home aircon will be adding to global warming.
    If you have the lights on in your home, or a Playstation running, or anything else then you are 'adding to global warming'. Indeed virtually anything you ever do will, unless we make electricity clean, which is why we need to eliminate the notion of reducing things, and make things clean instead.

    I don't have an Air Con, and I don't want one either. But a house with Solar Panels and an Air Con is far better for the environment than a house with neither.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,809

    It’s very, very scant consolation that the series of events began by Cameron’s foolish referendum, the most glaring, egregious example of putting party before country, is now tearing the Tories apart.

    It might have been partygate that’s pulled the trigger, but Johnson wouldn’t have been PM without Brexit, and all the countless lies he’s told before and since, the relentless boosterish bullshit he’s spewed since 2016, backing a Brexit he never really believed in, never bothered to properly understand the consequences of. It’s all culminated in today.

    It’s all a game to Johnson, we are merely the pawns. He and the Conservative Party deserve each other for the chaos, division and terrible, terrible government they have inflicted on us. The Covid dithering, the parties and piss ups whilst we were locked down, the corrupt PPE contracts, bunging millions to three-week-old companies owned by their mates, the Patels and Bravermans, Cummings, Raab sunning himself whilst Afghanistan fell apart. The ‘oven ready deal’. The whole sorry, rotten, stinking mess.

    I hope they go soon. They have allowed their foolish, blinkered, frothing ideologues to take control. They have globally diminished and materially impoverished this amazing country. The damage will take decades to undo.

    I take no pleasure from today. None at all.

    This, all of this. So much damage done to our great country. So much damage done to democracy. All for one malevolent, self indulgent, arrogant man’s ego.

    Just go Johnson, and don’t ever come back.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,491

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
    But quite unnecessary in UK homes.
    Except for the couple of weeks a year when UK homes tend to overheat, and the rest of the time they can provide heating more efficiently than most other technologies.
    If you get a heat pump to replace a boiler, it can then work as an aircon when it's hot.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,246
    Westie said:

    Some of the classified material Trump took out is about Macron.
    Trump has bragged about having information about Macron's sex life that Macron would rather not be released.

    Presumably all American presidents have the inside information about the private lives of the heads of allied governments, but it's crass to talk about it. In Macron's case I doubt it's even that secret, at least from what I've heard.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    dixiedean said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    Wrong.
    Blairism was popular.
    Not really. Blair in his heyday was "popular" but he didn't chase the vote like for example Johnson did with Brexit (even though he didn't believe in Brexit) or Suella who comes up with any old nasty hangin' n floggin' rubbish because she believes it will propel her popularity.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    Farooq said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    @andreajenkyns
    I am deeply honoured to have been awarded a Damehood (DBE) for public and political services, having been nominated by our Nation's greatest Prime Minister since Margaret Thatcher, the Rt Hon.
    @BorisJohnson, it was an honour to serve in his Government as a Minister & a Whip
    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1667205083052777472?s=20

    Embarrassing.
    I always wonder why people like Ms Jenkyns don’t have a faithful friend or aide who can pre-read such statements and say,

    “Andrea, this makes you sound like a retard”.
    Andrea Jenkyns - Lady Middlefinger 🤭
    She looks like the type to use the full fist
    It’s only when you post such filthy shit I actually like your posts 🤦‍♀️
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,067
    OGH is suddenly unavailable. TSE left in charge. A sudden vacancy for a Lib Dem candidate in Bedfordshire. Is there something we should know?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    That was exactly New Labour's modus operandi in the 1990s. "The political wing of the British people" against the "forces of conservatism".
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited June 2023

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    If Dabby Finkelsten is right, Boris could be best placed to fill the gap in the market for a leader who is protectionist or even left wing on occasion in economic rhetoric but right-wing and socially conservative in the culture wars. Something he was starting to do as PM before his removal
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/theres-a-gap-in-the-market-for-a-tory-populist-n8s8t890p
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,260
    edited June 2023
    Re; Roger's comment on Campbell-Bannerman on Newsnight, I particularly liked the about 12 pictures of Spitfires displayed prominently, and pointing in various directions behind him.

    Clearly, the man is a Patriot, in case anyone was doubting that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987

    Re; Roger's comment on Campbell-Bannerman on Newsnight, I particularly liked the around 12 pictures of Spitfires displayed prominently behind him.

    Clearly, the man is a Patriot, in case anyone was doubting that.

    I campaigned with David in Warwick and Leamington in 2001 when he was the Conservative candidate, quite a character
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    Which Blair did. Hence things like Lords Reform, Fox Hunting, railing against the "forces of conservativism" etc

    He did that aplenty.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690

    Genuine legal and procedural question. Does the recommendation of punishment of Johnson not go ahead now he has resigned as an MP? Surely it must still hang over him, because resigning Uxbridge winning Mid Staffs shouldn’t by pass the procedure and punishment completely?

    I was looking at some of the previous cases and it appears that all the references are to the MP under their actual name rather than 'The Member for [constituency]' Obviously I am not a lawyer but that wuldindicate it is a personal sanction rather than being aplied to the seat so he would not be able to avid punishment in that way.

    That said, by resigning he will have removed himself from Parliament for more that the number of ays specified so I suppose could claim he had served his punishment. He will also have been through a recall process in a way. I think this is one of those rare occurances where (if it were actually to happen) something is unique (so far) and so the law would have to be interpreted from scratch.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647

    Johnson resignation list published

    Looks like Dorries has been left off

    Highlights:

    Boris Johnson's resignation honours list:

    Knighthoods:

    Conor Burns
    Simon Clarke
    Ben Elliot
    Michael Fabricant
    Will Lewis
    Jacob Rees Mogg

    Damehoods:

    Andrea Jenkyns
    Amanda Milling
    Priti Patel
    Ann Sindall
    Shelley Williams-Walker


    Peerages:

    Shaun Bailey
    Ben Gascoigne
    Ben Houchen
    Ross Kempsell
    Charlotte Owen
    Kulveer Ranger
    Dan Rosenfield

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1667202060683444228

    It's a bit lavender, isn't it?

    There's one for the teenagers.
    It’s The Wine List.

    And Big G is utterly wrong imo there is no reason Nadine should have been blocked by Rishi.
    She wasn't

    The HOL appointment committee changed Johnson list and sent it back to Sunak and precluded Dorries and others from the original one
    On what grounds?

    At least the decent genuine sort Sharma got one for his COP work quite rightly, so there’s an awkward by election there too. Sharma will be an asset to the House of Lords, especially with environmentalism his specialism he can speak with insight on.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,961
    edited June 2023
    Is it just a coincidence that Lord Ashcroft conducted a constituency poll in Uxbridge a few days ago?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,260
    edited June 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Re; Roger's comment on Campbell-Bannerman on Newsnight, I particularly liked the around 12 pictures of Spitfires displayed prominently behind him.

    Clearly, the man is a Patriot, in case anyone was doubting that.

    I campaigned with David in Warwick and Leamington in 2001 when he was the Conservative candidate, quite a character
    He certainly is that, and a historic name to boot, albeit that of a Radical Liberal rather than a Borisonian Tory.

    But there clearly aren't enough of his type of the ultra-loyal to make a difference.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,067
    HYUFD said:

    Re; Roger's comment on Campbell-Bannerman on Newsnight, I particularly liked the around 12 pictures of Spitfires displayed prominently behind him.

    Clearly, the man is a Patriot, in case anyone was doubting that.

    I campaigned with David in Warwick and Leamington in 2001 when he was the Conservative candidate, quite a character
    “Quite a character” is a phrase that polite gentlemen such as you use and leave the full meaning to the reader’s imagination.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,657

    Johnson resignation list published

    Looks like Dorries has been left off

    Highlights:

    Boris Johnson's resignation honours list:

    Knighthoods:

    Conor Burns
    Simon Clarke
    Ben Elliot
    Michael Fabricant
    Will Lewis
    Jacob Rees Mogg

    Damehoods:

    Andrea Jenkyns
    Amanda Milling
    Priti Patel
    Ann Sindall
    Shelley Williams-Walker


    Peerages:

    Shaun Bailey
    Ben Gascoigne
    Ben Houchen
    Ross Kempsell
    Charlotte Owen
    Kulveer Ranger
    Dan Rosenfield

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1667202060683444228

    It's a bit lavender, isn't it?

    There's one for the teenagers.
    It’s The Wine List.

    And Big G is utterly wrong imo there is no reason Nadine should have been blocked by Rishi.
    She wasn't

    The HOL appointment committee changed Johnson list and sent it back to Sunak and precluded Dorries and others from the original one
    On what grounds?

    At least the decent genuine sort Sharma got one for his COP work quite rightly, so there’s an awkward by election there too. Sharma will be an asset to the House of Lords, especially with environmentalism his specialism he can speak with insight on.
    I do not know the grounds the House of Lords appointments committee made to exclude several on the list from peerages
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    ...

    HYUFD said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    If Dabby Finkelsten is right, Boris could be best placed to fill the gap in the market for a leader who is protectionist or even left wing on occasion in economic rhetoric but right-wing and socially conservative in the culture wars. Something he was starting to do as PM before his removal
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/theres-a-gap-in-the-market-for-a-tory-populist-n8s8t890p
    You are really clinging on in defiance of reality

    Johnson political career ended today
    If it hasn't ended Johnson's ambitions the Conservatives are the ones who are finished. I suspect HYUFD hasn't realised that yet.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Boris has zero chance of winning Mid Beds for Reform.

    It's going to be hard enough for Con to retain Mid Beds even without a split vote.

    If Boris stands for Reform then the Con vote will split down the middle guaranteeing that neither Con nor Reform have any chance whatsoever of winning.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,657

    Johnson resignation list published

    Looks like Dorries has been left off

    Highlights:

    Boris Johnson's resignation honours list:

    Knighthoods:

    Conor Burns
    Simon Clarke
    Ben Elliot
    Michael Fabricant
    Will Lewis
    Jacob Rees Mogg

    Damehoods:

    Andrea Jenkyns
    Amanda Milling
    Priti Patel
    Ann Sindall
    Shelley Williams-Walker


    Peerages:

    Shaun Bailey
    Ben Gascoigne
    Ben Houchen
    Ross Kempsell
    Charlotte Owen
    Kulveer Ranger
    Dan Rosenfield

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1667202060683444228

    It's a bit lavender, isn't it?

    There's one for the teenagers.
    It’s The Wine List.

    And Big G is utterly wrong imo there is no reason Nadine should have been blocked by Rishi.
    She wasn't

    The HOL appointment committee changed Johnson list and sent it back to Sunak and precluded Dorries and others from the original one
    On what grounds?

    At least the decent genuine sort Sharma got one for his COP work quite rightly, so there’s an awkward by election there too. Sharma will be an asset to the House of Lords, especially with environmentalism his specialism he can speak with insight on.
    I would expect Sharma and Jack to be elevated in Sunak's list
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    Which Blair did. Hence things like Lords Reform, Fox Hunting, railing against the "forces of conservativism" etc

    He did that aplenty.
    No, and maybe I expressed myself poorly. It's not just disagreeing with a set of opponents (again, that's politics). There's a very specific view about a conspiracy against the many - a constant war against a deep state out to thwart US.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,961
    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    I REALLY don't think Boris Johnson is the answer to Britain's growing list of problems. But it would also be the biggest f-you to his critics and much of the establishment if he declared Westminster is completely broken, the system is utterly rotten, the Tories are totally lost, Labour want to reverse Brexit and then sets up a new party and wins the pro-Leave Mid Beds by-election. Lolz."

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1667268039019044865
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,158


    If you get a heat pump to replace a boiler, it can then work as an aircon when it's hot.

    ...but only if it's an air-to-air heat pump, not an air-to-water heat pump. And the former are explicitly not elegible for the government subsidies for replacing your boiler with a heat pump...
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,671
    It's just gone quarter past 11 and I still can't fathom Sir Michael Fabricant. I think we are done with the "honours" system now.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    MikeL said:

    Boris has zero chance of winning Mid Beds for Reform.

    It's going to be hard enough for Con to retain Mid Beds even without a split vote.

    If Boris stands for Reform then the Con vote will split down the middle guaranteeing that neither Con nor Reform have any chance whatsoever of winning.

    He could win it for the Conservatives. His problem is there are too many blackballing Conservative grandees to allow him to stand.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,491
    Andy_JS said:

    Is it just a coincidence that Lord Ashcroft conducted a constituency poll in Uxbridge a few days ago?

    Everyone knew the Privileges Committee report was coming and there was a good chance it would recommend a greater than 10 day suspension.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,972

    Big Emms Thornberry putting collaboration with LDs to the sword.

    ‘No chance of working with the Libdems in Mid Beds or Uxbridge?’

    ‘Certainly not!’

    Lady Nugee is absolutely right. Labour won't work in Mid Beds. The LibDems won't work in Uxbridge...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,961
    edited June 2023
    Dream ticket: Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage to jointly lead Reform UK into the next general election.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,657

    ...

    HYUFD said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    If Dabby Finkelsten is right, Boris could be best placed to fill the gap in the market for a leader who is protectionist or even left wing on occasion in economic rhetoric but right-wing and socially conservative in the culture wars. Something he was starting to do as PM before his removal
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/theres-a-gap-in-the-market-for-a-tory-populist-n8s8t890p
    You are really clinging on in defiance of reality

    Johnson political career ended today
    If it hasn't ended Johnson's ambitions the Conservatives are the ones who are finished. I suspect HYUFD hasn't realised that yet.
    The fact is Johnson is a proven coward running away from a by election he knows he would lose
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983

    It’s very, very scant consolation that the series of events began by Cameron’s foolish referendum, the most glaring, egregious example of putting party before country, is now tearing the Tories apart.

    It might have been partygate that’s pulled the trigger, but Johnson wouldn’t have been PM without Brexit, and all the countless lies he’s told before and since, the relentless boosterish bullshit he’s spewed since 2016, backing a Brexit he never really believed in, never bothered to properly understand the consequences of. It’s all culminated in today.

    It’s all a game to Johnson, we are merely the pawns. He and the Conservative Party deserve each other for the chaos, division and terrible, terrible government they have inflicted on us. The Covid dithering, the parties and piss ups whilst we were locked down, the corrupt PPE contracts, bunging millions to three-week-old companies owned by their mates, the Patels and Bravermans, Cummings, Raab sunning himself whilst Afghanistan fell apart. The ‘oven ready deal’. The whole sorry, rotten, stinking mess.

    I hope they go soon. They have allowed their foolish, blinkered, frothing ideologues to take control. They have globally diminished and materially impoverished this amazing country. The damage will take decades to undo.

    I take no pleasure from today. None at all.

    Surly you can take some comfort from the fact that in future the voters might take the trouble to think about what's in front of them and do at least a tiny bit of due diligence. I also think we are tonight closer to rejoinimg the EU than we have been anytime in the last three years
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647

    Genuine legal and procedural question. Does the recommendation of punishment of Johnson not go ahead now he has resigned as an MP? Surely it must still hang over him, because resigning Uxbridge winning Mid Staffs shouldn’t by pass the procedure and punishment completely?

    I was looking at some of the previous cases and it appears that all the references are to the MP under their actual name rather than 'The Member for [constituency]' Obviously I am not a lawyer but that wuldindicate it is a personal sanction rather than being aplied to the seat so he would not be able to avid punishment in that way.

    That said, by resigning he will have removed himself from Parliament for more that the number of ays specified so I suppose could claim he had served his punishment. He will also have been through a recall process in a way. I think this is one of those rare occurances where (if it were actually to happen) something is unique (so far) and so the law would have to be interpreted from scratch.
    Thank you.

    To ensure there isn’t loophole of avoiding sanction it would be better like in sport, if footballer banned for Xx number of matches, there is no hiding from it if they quit one club and pop up in another. What’s different here is if the committee don’t report and recommend, parliament don’t vote, he’s dodged the slipper on the ass and the record kept of how many slippers and reason why?

    Rather than Boris whining it’s so unfair, if he now avoids the pain of slipper and record of his crimes, THAT would be so unfair!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647

    Genuine legal and procedural question. Does the recommendation of punishment of Johnson not go ahead now he has resigned as an MP? Surely it must still hang over him, because resigning Uxbridge winning Mid Staffs shouldn’t by pass the procedure and punishment completely?

    I was looking at some of the previous cases and it appears that all the references are to the MP under their actual name rather than 'The Member for [constituency]' Obviously I am not a lawyer but that wuldindicate it is a personal sanction rather than being aplied to the seat so he would not be able to avid punishment in that way.

    That said, by resigning he will have removed himself from Parliament for more that the number of ays specified so I suppose could claim he had served his punishment. He will also have been through a recall process in a way. I think this is one of those rare occurances where (if it were actually to happen) something is unique (so far) and so the law would have to be interpreted from scratch.
    Thank you.

    To ensure there isn’t loophole of avoiding sanction it would be better like in sport, if footballer banned for Xx number of matches, there is no hiding from it if they quit one club and pop up in another. What’s different here is if the committee don’t report and recommend, parliament don’t vote, he’s dodged the slipper on the ass and the record kept of how many slippers and reason why?

    Rather than Boris whining it’s so unfair, if he now avoids the pain of slipper and record of his crimes, THAT would be so unfair!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    I REALLY don't think Boris Johnson is the answer to Britain's growing list of problems. But it would also be the biggest f-you to his critics and much of the establishment if he declared Westminster is completely broken, the system is utterly rotten, the Tories are totally lost, Labour want to reverse Brexit and then sets up a new party and wins the pro-Leave Mid Beds by-election. Lolz."

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1667268039019044865

    Not happening under FPTP
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Andy_JS said:

    Dream ticket: Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage to jointly lead Reform UK into the next general election.

    Their combined egos wouldn't even have room to be in the same party, let alone jointly leading it
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,972

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    An air-con unit is just a form of heat pump. They're more efficient than gas boilers.
    But quite unnecessary in UK homes.
    Sky TV is quite unnecessary.

    Beer is quite unnecessary.

    Fibre broadband is quite unnecessary.

    Playstations are quite unnecessary.

    Life is about more than necessities. Why deny someone a pleasure, just because it uses electricity, which should be generated cleanly anyway?
    Oh, come down off your high-horse, I'm in no position to stop anybody wasting their money on home aircon.

    I'm just pointing out was a waste of money and energy it is in the UK. And until we are using no renewables in the summer every home aircon will be adding to global warming.
    If you have the lights on in your home, or a Playstation running, or anything else then you are 'adding to global warming'. Indeed virtually anything you ever do will, unless we make electricity clean, which is why we need to eliminate the notion of reducing things, and make things clean instead.

    I don't have an Air Con, and I don't want one either. But a house with Solar Panels and an Air Con is far better for the environment than a house with neither.
    We've got a hot tub warming up overnight. What does that do for our carbon footprint?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    Which Blair did. Hence things like Lords Reform, Fox Hunting, railing against the "forces of conservativism" etc

    He did that aplenty.
    No, and maybe I expressed myself poorly. It's not just disagreeing with a set of opponents (again, that's politics). There's a very specific view about a conspiracy against the many - a constant war against a deep state out to thwart US.
    You are describing Blair to a T. His rhetoric about the oppression of "the British people" by "the forces of conservatism" was borderline fascistic.

    The old order, those forces of conservatism, for all their language about promoting the individual, and freedom and liberty, they held people back. They kept people down. They stunted people’s potential. Year after year. Decade after decade.

    Look at this Party’s greatest achievement. The forces of conservatism, and the force of the Conservative Party, pulled every trick in the book - voting 51 times, yes 51 times, against the creation of the NHS. One leading Tory, Mr Henry Willink, said at the time that the NHS ‘will destroy so much in this country that we value,’ when we knew human potential can never be realised when whether you are well or ill depends on wealth not need. The forces of conservatism allied to racism are why one of the heroes of the 20th Century, Martin Luther King, is dead. It’s why another, Nelson Mandela, spent the best years of his life in a cell the size of a bed.


    http://www.britishpoliticalspeech.org/speech-archive.htm?speech=205
  • Andy_JS said:

    Dream ticket: Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage to jointly lead Reform UK into the next general election.

    A has-been and a never-was?

    Maybe to lead the OMRLP.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690

    Genuine legal and procedural question. Does the recommendation of punishment of Johnson not go ahead now he has resigned as an MP? Surely it must still hang over him, because resigning Uxbridge winning Mid Staffs shouldn’t by pass the procedure and punishment completely?

    Further to this. Looking at the HoC guidance on this stuff. Once a member has left Parliament it looks like the slate is wiped clean. Even if expelled he can immediately stand again.

    "An expelled Member may seek re-election to the House, even within the term of the same Parliament that elected him, a principle established in 1782 as a result of the case of John Wilkes, who was expelled three times and once had his return amended in favour of his defeated opponent."
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647
    mwadams said:

    It's just gone quarter past 11 and I still can't fathom Sir Michael Fabricant. I think we are done with the "honours" system now.

    It hasn’t technically gone to fabricant, it’s given to his rug for its steadfast commitment to duty and sterling work all these years. In fact Michael should stay away from the palace, so that it can be brought in on a cushion and receive the sword alone.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    Which Blair did. Hence things like Lords Reform, Fox Hunting, railing against the "forces of conservativism" etc

    He did that aplenty.
    No, and maybe I expressed myself poorly. It's not just disagreeing with a set of opponents (again, that's politics). There's a very specific view about a conspiracy against the many - a constant war against a deep state out to thwart US.
    It doesn't have to be "deep state". Other "elites", real or imaginary, will do.
    You see populist sentiments on here and elsewhere when people complain about North London liberals, Soros, Davos, Jews, lefty lawyers, out of touch academics, The EU, bankers, and so on.

    Sometimes, they have a point. Usually, they do not. Only sometimes are they talking about people with real hard political power.
    Yes and Blair did that with his targeting of 'the forces of conservativism' or the toffs in red coats etc

    While calling Labour "the political wing of the British people". Pure populism that.
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Hey ya Bart, keep well my friend
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited June 2023
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    Which Blair did. Hence things like Lords Reform, Fox Hunting, railing against the "forces of conservativism" etc

    He did that aplenty.
    No, and maybe I expressed myself poorly. It's not just disagreeing with a set of opponents (again, that's politics). There's a very specific view about a conspiracy against the many - a constant war against a deep state out to thwart US.
    It doesn't have to be "deep state". Other "elites", real or imaginary, will do.
    You see populist sentiments on here and elsewhere when people complain about North London liberals, Soros, Davos, Jews, lefty lawyers, out of touch academics, The EU, bankers, and so on.

    Sometimes, they have a point. Usually, they do not. Only sometimes are they talking about people with real hard political power.
    John Cleese did quite a funny SDP broadcast in the 1980s about how both right and left have their own list of suspicious elites and enemies, much of it still holds true today
    https://www.openculture.com/2020/06/john-cleeses-comedically-explains-the-psychological-advantages-of-extremism.html
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,691
    edited June 2023

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    There has long been an unfulfilled desire among many to replace the Tories with a more populist centre-right party. The timing when they're at a cyclical weak point would be a good moment to strike if Boris is minded to do it.

    Didn't that already happen?
    No, the current Tories are delivering something akin to Blairism on steroids.
    You... you didn't see the populism at the heart of government over the last few years then? You missed all that?
    Blairism was populism.
    It was not. That isn't to say it was good or bad, but it definitely wasn't populism.

    People fundamentally misunderstand this term. Populism is NOT about seeking to be popular, being good at spin or whatever. That is simply politics. Populism is setting it up as them (elites) versus us (the people - hence populism). It is draining the swamp, taking back control and so on.

    Again, that's not a judgment (albeit I personally do have a view). Populists could be right. But it's a very specific thing, and Blair just isn't an example.
    Which Blair did. Hence things like Lords Reform, Fox Hunting, railing against the "forces of conservativism" etc

    He did that aplenty.
    No, and maybe I expressed myself poorly. It's not just disagreeing with a set of opponents (again, that's politics). There's a very specific view about a conspiracy against the many - a constant war against a deep state out to thwart US.
    You are describing Blair to a T. His rhetoric about the oppression of "the British people" by "the forces of conservatism" was borderline fascistic.

    The old order, those forces of conservatism, for all their language about promoting the individual, and freedom and liberty, they held people back. They kept people down. They stunted people’s potential. Year after year. Decade after decade.

    Look at this Party’s greatest achievement. The forces of conservatism, and the force of the Conservative Party, pulled every trick in the book - voting 51 times, yes 51 times, against the creation of the NHS. One leading Tory, Mr Henry Willink, said at the time that the NHS ‘will destroy so much in this country that we value,’ when we knew human potential can never be realised when whether you are well or ill depends on wealth not need. The forces of conservatism allied to racism are why one of the heroes of the 20th Century, Martin Luther King, is dead. It’s why another, Nelson Mandela, spent the best years of his life in a cell the size of a bed.


    http://www.britishpoliticalspeech.org/speech-archive.htm?speech=205
    Only because for once once you were on the other side of the power divide.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited June 2023
    What are the odds for Boris next con leader?

    If I remember correctly, he was trading around 8/1, about a month ago.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    Andy_JS said:

    Dream ticket: Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage to jointly lead Reform UK into the next general election.

    Dream ticket? Highway to Hell more likely. Dream on!
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,647

    Johnson resignation list published

    Looks like Dorries has been left off

    Highlights:

    Boris Johnson's resignation honours list:

    Knighthoods:

    Conor Burns
    Simon Clarke
    Ben Elliot
    Michael Fabricant
    Will Lewis
    Jacob Rees Mogg

    Damehoods:

    Andrea Jenkyns
    Amanda Milling
    Priti Patel
    Ann Sindall
    Shelley Williams-Walker


    Peerages:

    Shaun Bailey
    Ben Gascoigne
    Ben Houchen
    Ross Kempsell
    Charlotte Owen
    Kulveer Ranger
    Dan Rosenfield

    https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1667202060683444228

    It's a bit lavender, isn't it?

    There's one for the teenagers.
    It’s The Wine List.

    And Big G is utterly wrong imo there is no reason Nadine should have been blocked by Rishi.
    She wasn't

    The HOL appointment committee changed Johnson list and sent it back to Sunak and precluded Dorries and others from the original one
    On what grounds?

    At least the decent genuine sort Sharma got one for his COP work quite rightly, so there’s an awkward by election there too. Sharma will be an asset to the House of Lords, especially with environmentalism his specialism he can speak with insight on.
    I would expect Sharma and Jack to be elevated in Sunak's list
    So a cozy deal just to avoid awkward by elections, and the awful publicity that will come with them? Because on what grounds The HOL appointment committee removed Sharma?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,388
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    I REALLY don't think Boris Johnson is the answer to Britain's growing list of problems. But it would also be the biggest f-you to his critics and much of the establishment if he declared Westminster is completely broken, the system is utterly rotten, the Tories are totally lost, Labour want to reverse Brexit and then sets up a new party and wins the pro-Leave Mid Beds by-election. Lolz."

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1667268039019044865

    Not happening under FPTP
    That's a good point. If Boris does win Mid-Beds for REFORM and becomes leader the one thing that 100% won't happen in the next Parliament will be a change from FPTP to PR.

    Lab and Lib won't dare risk a Con/Ref coalition in Election 2029 lol!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690
    Roger said:

    It’s very, very scant consolation that the series of events began by Cameron’s foolish referendum, the most glaring, egregious example of putting party before country, is now tearing the Tories apart.

    It might have been partygate that’s pulled the trigger, but Johnson wouldn’t have been PM without Brexit, and all the countless lies he’s told before and since, the relentless boosterish bullshit he’s spewed since 2016, backing a Brexit he never really believed in, never bothered to properly understand the consequences of. It’s all culminated in today.

    It’s all a game to Johnson, we are merely the pawns. He and the Conservative Party deserve each other for the chaos, division and terrible, terrible government they have inflicted on us. The Covid dithering, the parties and piss ups whilst we were locked down, the corrupt PPE contracts, bunging millions to three-week-old companies owned by their mates, the Patels and Bravermans, Cummings, Raab sunning himself whilst Afghanistan fell apart. The ‘oven ready deal’. The whole sorry, rotten, stinking mess.

    I hope they go soon. They have allowed their foolish, blinkered, frothing ideologues to take control. They have globally diminished and materially impoverished this amazing country. The damage will take decades to undo.

    I take no pleasure from today. None at all.

    Surly you can take some comfort from the fact that in future the voters might take the trouble to think about what's in front of them and do at least a tiny bit of due diligence. I also think we are tonight closer to rejoinimg the EU than we have been anytime in the last three years
    Oh dear. Roger has been at the bottle again.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    Genuine legal and procedural question. Does the recommendation of punishment of Johnson not go ahead now he has resigned as an MP? Surely it must still hang over him, because resigning Uxbridge winning Mid Staffs shouldn’t by pass the procedure and punishment completely?

    Ah, the Mid Staffs by-election. Remember it well. Glorious weather, door knocking and leafleting in Rugeley for Sylvia Heal.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177

    Getting an air con unit is an absolute game changer, it makes these warm days somehow bearable indoors

    Unfortunately while they may be good for your immediate environment they are pretty disastrous for the wider environment.
    I'm not sure what they're selling in the UK nowadays but over here a typical aircon unit can be run in reverse to generate heat when you're cold, and being a heat pump it will typically be quite a bit more efficient than whatever you were using for that purpose before. Since the UK isn't hot for very long, and when you do run an aircon it only has to change the temperature by a few degrees, I wouldn't be surprised if installing units like this ended up saving more power than it uses.
    As a heating system, 4 and 5 to 1 are typical values, for air source heating. That is, you put in a 1kw of leccy and get 5 or 6kw of heating.

    You can easily deal with the aircon requirement with solar panels on the roof.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914

    Re; Roger's comment on Campbell-Bannerman on Newsnight, I particularly liked the about 12 pictures of Spitfires displayed prominently, and pointing in various directions behind him.

    Clearly, the man is a Patriot, in case anyone was doubting that.

    I saw that too. By patriot do you really mean "gammon"? Because that's what he looked like to me.

    It's all a conspiracy between Harman and Gray. Lock them up!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,961
    The view from the Daily Mail.

    "He trusted the instincts of the people over the Establishment - and was never forgiven for it: As Boris Johnson resigns from Parliament the nation has lost a transformative political genius whose like we shall not see again, DANIEL JOHNSON writes"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12179517/DANIEL-JOHNSON-nation-lost-transformative-political-genius-like-wont-again.html
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