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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303

    If Lukashenko dies what do you think would be Putin's response? Allow the exiled independent opposition to take over or support a pro Kremlin hardman?

    One complication is that Putin now has less troops than before to support a new regime in Belarus.

    If Lukashenko dies at the hands of Putin, it will hardly be because he wants to let pro-Western exiles take power in Belarus.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    I said 10 years yesterday, and that's probably about right.

    I've warned all my kids to be nice to the Nespresso machine, because in the future the machines will remember who cleaned and respected them, and those who cursed them.

    I don't want to be on the wrong side of that divide.
    The consensus this weekend in the Balearics was 5-10 years, so not far from your estimate

    There were people at either end with more extreme positions, ie It is already here, or It will never happen
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,871
    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,478
    Everton lose.
    Leeds win.

    If the Tories could arrange that please, I'd consider voting for them (and then decide not to).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481

    Everton lose.
    Leeds win.

    If the Tories could arrange that please, I'd consider voting for them (and then decide not to).

    They're doing a pretty good job of sending the Blues to defeat already.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    dixiedean said:

    Everton lose.
    Leeds win.

    If the Tories could arrange that please, I'd consider voting for them (and then decide not to).

    They're doing a pretty good job of sending the Blues to defeat already.
    Dirty Leeds already losing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    dixiedean said:

    Everton lose.
    Leeds win.

    If the Tories could arrange that please, I'd consider voting for them (and then decide not to).

    They're doing a pretty good job of sending the Blues to defeat already.
    And Leeds doing it for themselves.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,947
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,947

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    Oh I don't know, I nearly saw a fight break out between a ukulele band and the Punch and Judy act who were drowning each other out.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    Oh I don't know, I nearly saw a fight break out between a ukulele band and the Punch and Judy act who were drowning each other out.
    That’s the way to do it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    These taxi drivers - were they Albanians by any chance?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,947
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 891
    edited May 2023
    Well if anyone else thinks "this race is very tight" as per the BBC, feel free to grab KK on Betfair at 17.5.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,067
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    AI seems like Leon’s flint dildos. An interesting concept that will never be as much fun as the real thing.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,238
    A bunch of wealthy middle aged men get together at an exclusive island resort.

    I have no idea what they might have been getting up to...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981

    A bunch of wealthy middle aged men get together at an exclusive island resort.

    I have no idea what they might have been getting up to...

    You don’t hear much about syphilis these days. Very much the Myspace of STDs.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,067
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  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,947
    edited May 2023
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front or if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476

    Mind blowing stat.

    Spurs fans may laugh that Arsenal spent a record 248 days at the top of the league this season without winning it. Spurs have spent a total of 135 days at the top of the league since 1964 and not won it. That’s funnier.

    https://twitter.com/P_h_i_1/status/1661290072547770369

    People make the fundamental mistake of assuming Spurs is a football team. It’s not. It’s a highly profitable business.

    They have figured out that coming 4/5 and qualifying for Europe offers the highest return on capital (especially when combined with effective scouting and talent spotting in the lower leagues). The alternative is trying to outspend someone like Man City - with richer owners who don’t care about financial returns - that’s a fool’s errand
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front of if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
    Take that and read across to......

    GAH

    I really can't say. It is bigger than that. Is all

    I accept that this all sounds like delusional wank so I will shut up
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    The AfD are approaching second place in the German polls.

    image
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,679

    Well if anyone else thinks "this race is very tight" as per the BBC, feel free to grab KK on Betfair at 17.5.

    That's typical Beeb. They pretend things are close and exciting when they aren't. They do it every year with the boat race. Erdogan has clearly 'got the water' here and it's all over even though we haven't yet passed the Harrods Book Depository.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    Fwiw, Neuralink is likely to face a massive amount of heat for their treatment of animals. I'm not a squeemish person, but Some of the stories about the treatment of monkeys in experiments are jaw dropping awful.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    mwadams said:

    kle4 said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    Elon Musk is a hype man, a phony of astral depth, a 20 foot glitter turd.
    All true. But Musk is also someone who knows how to solve complex technical and industrial challenges to create useful and desirable products. That combination of hype and technical expertise is very rare and is what is behind the success of Tesla and SpaceX.
    There's a really weird type of person who genuinely believes Musk is a fraud and devoid of true imagination: a charlatan. A lucky snake oil salesman. I've seen people on Twitter arguing that he is really quite stupid

    It is bizarre. Has he made terrible errors? And encountered disasters? Of course he has, he's a risk taker. An entrepreneur. But the idea he is dim is sensationally dim in itself

    Musk said Neuralink tech would hit the market in 2021. He said the world would be sleeping in their self driving cars by 2019. In 2014 he said there would be seriously dangerous AGI in five years. The guy clearly has talent in identifying the right startups to back, and in self publicity, but he is also a frequently wrong blowhard.
    You back 100 horses you're bound to get some winners.

    He's managed more success than simply backing a few right horses, I don't think anyone says he is completely stupid, but even before buying it twitter was very bad for his reputation, since it's shown he frequently engages in low grade trolling and inflated assumptions of his own understanding of things and situations, and has incredibly thin skin about it - which is just petty. You're rich enough to not give a shit, no need for pettiness.
    It's the old VC con, too. Back 15 things (with other people's money). Get 1 hit. Get people to put more money in at increased valuation. Declare a mega-hit. Rinse and repeat.

    You literally discount the failures and artificially ratchet the successes. It's worked well for 40 years, but it is already starting to creak.

    They won't care; that generation of the megawealthy is well insulated against failure.
    Interesting that you think that VC is the problem.

    VC is people trying to find the next Big Thing with their own money. Which they risk.

    And yet I've had people trying to claim that VC was responsible for 2008. Or is, what is actually chop shop version of hedge funds.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780
    edited May 2023

    The AfD are approaching second place in the German polls.

    image

    One thought that does occur to me about Starmer is pretty much every other soft left wing European party seems to be either on the defensive or actively imploding with its votes haemorrhaging off to other parties, as we see here with the SPD. Labour isn't.

    Sure, it may have been lucky the obvious alternatives in the LDs and SNP decided to self-immolate in spectacular fashion. But it's still an interesting bucking of the general trend.

    And it's not so long ago that Labour were part of it, as well.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476

    Let's remember that Rishi was in Johnson's Cabinet from the beginning until vanishingly close to the end.

    Given that track record, what's the evidence that he can notice lack of integrity, unprofessionalism or unaccountability, let alone be able to do anything about them?

    He was happy at both Goldman and TCIF. That speaks volumes about his integrity
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662

    mwadams said:

    kle4 said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    Elon Musk is a hype man, a phony of astral depth, a 20 foot glitter turd.
    All true. But Musk is also someone who knows how to solve complex technical and industrial challenges to create useful and desirable products. That combination of hype and technical expertise is very rare and is what is behind the success of Tesla and SpaceX.
    There's a really weird type of person who genuinely believes Musk is a fraud and devoid of true imagination: a charlatan. A lucky snake oil salesman. I've seen people on Twitter arguing that he is really quite stupid

    It is bizarre. Has he made terrible errors? And encountered disasters? Of course he has, he's a risk taker. An entrepreneur. But the idea he is dim is sensationally dim in itself

    Musk said Neuralink tech would hit the market in 2021. He said the world would be sleeping in their self driving cars by 2019. In 2014 he said there would be seriously dangerous AGI in five years. The guy clearly has talent in identifying the right startups to back, and in self publicity, but he is also a frequently wrong blowhard.
    You back 100 horses you're bound to get some winners.

    He's managed more success than simply backing a few right horses, I don't think anyone says he is completely stupid, but even before buying it twitter was very bad for his reputation, since it's shown he frequently engages in low grade trolling and inflated assumptions of his own understanding of things and situations, and has incredibly thin skin about it - which is just petty. You're rich enough to not give a shit, no need for pettiness.
    It's the old VC con, too. Back 15 things (with other people's money). Get 1 hit. Get people to put more money in at increased valuation. Declare a mega-hit. Rinse and repeat.

    You literally discount the failures and artificially ratchet the successes. It's worked well for 40 years, but it is already starting to creak.

    They won't care; that generation of the megawealthy is well insulated against failure.
    Interesting that you think that VC is the problem.

    VC is people trying to find the next Big Thing with their own money. Which they risk.

    And yet I've had people trying to claim that VC was responsible for 2008. Or is, what is actually chop shop version of hedge funds.
    The problem with the VC world is that either everything is getting funded, or nothing is getting funded. It would be nice if it could instead be some happy medium.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    On topic. Like SKS has loads of integrity.

    Seek help
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662

    Let's remember that Rishi was in Johnson's Cabinet from the beginning until vanishingly close to the end.

    Given that track record, what's the evidence that he can notice lack of integrity, unprofessionalism or unaccountability, let alone be able to do anything about them?

    He was happy at both Goldman and TCIF. That speaks volumes about his integrity
    What? Happy *all* the time?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    rcs1000 said:

    mwadams said:

    kle4 said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    Elon Musk is a hype man, a phony of astral depth, a 20 foot glitter turd.
    All true. But Musk is also someone who knows how to solve complex technical and industrial challenges to create useful and desirable products. That combination of hype and technical expertise is very rare and is what is behind the success of Tesla and SpaceX.
    There's a really weird type of person who genuinely believes Musk is a fraud and devoid of true imagination: a charlatan. A lucky snake oil salesman. I've seen people on Twitter arguing that he is really quite stupid

    It is bizarre. Has he made terrible errors? And encountered disasters? Of course he has, he's a risk taker. An entrepreneur. But the idea he is dim is sensationally dim in itself

    Musk said Neuralink tech would hit the market in 2021. He said the world would be sleeping in their self driving cars by 2019. In 2014 he said there would be seriously dangerous AGI in five years. The guy clearly has talent in identifying the right startups to back, and in self publicity, but he is also a frequently wrong blowhard.
    You back 100 horses you're bound to get some winners.

    He's managed more success than simply backing a few right horses, I don't think anyone says he is completely stupid, but even before buying it twitter was very bad for his reputation, since it's shown he frequently engages in low grade trolling and inflated assumptions of his own understanding of things and situations, and has incredibly thin skin about it - which is just petty. You're rich enough to not give a shit, no need for pettiness.
    It's the old VC con, too. Back 15 things (with other people's money). Get 1 hit. Get people to put more money in at increased valuation. Declare a mega-hit. Rinse and repeat.

    You literally discount the failures and artificially ratchet the successes. It's worked well for 40 years, but it is already starting to creak.

    They won't care; that generation of the megawealthy is well insulated against failure.
    Interesting that you think that VC is the problem.

    VC is people trying to find the next Big Thing with their own money. Which they risk.

    And yet I've had people trying to claim that VC was responsible for 2008. Or is, what is actually chop shop version of hedge funds.
    The problem with the VC world is that either everything is getting funded, or nothing is getting funded. It would be nice if it could instead be some happy medium.
    It's certainly better than the situation in the UK - where if you are starting a company, the banks will offer you a tiny amount of money. At credit card rates.

    I recall after 2008, some banks tried to lobby Washington to basically freeze individuals out of VC - they were upset that VC investors were offering people better terms to invest, when they (the banks) desperately needed new markets....
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    Heathener said:

    felix said:

    Let's remember that Rishi was in Johnson's Cabinet from the beginning until vanishingly close to the end.

    Given that track record, what's the evidence that he can notice lack of integrity, unprofessionalism or unaccountability, let alone be able to do anything about them?

    And Starmer stuck with Corbyn right till the end......
    I'm less vexed about this than other things about Keir Starmer. I can see the point of working inside a cabinet or shadow cabinet to try and moderate it. I don't have a problem with that.

    I dislike Jeremy Corbyn's views on many issues but lack of integrity, flagrant dishonesty, and lying aren't his hallmarks. Which they are of the Conservative reprobates TSE wrote about.
    4 legs good, 2 legs bad
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,238
    Off topic, what I was doing yesterday...

    https://twitter.com/retrorailtours/status/1662738260139950080?t=Yf384ntpwLX3RtiBKgvh9w&s=19

    A manually driven Hoover beats a self driving car!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    ping said:

    This makes me more and more angry.

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/drugs-kingpin-who-planned-flood-26999629

    Unless it’s a cover to protect other sources, why did it take the french and dutch police to catch him out, before the British police bought him to justice?

    There should be fucking riots on the streets about this. The conservatives did this to us. How fucking dare they?

    I enabled this man, with my Tory vote back in 2012. I won’t make the same mistake again.

    The article says that it makes no suggestion his mother was aware of her son’s criminal activities. What is your reason for blaming the Tories for the failure of the police?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,679
    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front of if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
    Take that and read across to......

    GAH

    I really can't say. It is bigger than that. Is all

    I accept that this all sounds like delusional wank so I will shut up
    Yes, probably best because it sounds like you've been entrusted with something huge.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,443

    Off topic, what I was doing yesterday...

    https://twitter.com/retrorailtours/status/1662738260139950080?t=Yf384ntpwLX3RtiBKgvh9w&s=19

    A manually driven Hoover beats a self driving car!

    Would you recommend it, and for whom?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914

    On topic. Like SKS has loads of integrity.

    On which note:-

    Labour faces calls to return £1.5m donation from major backer of Just Stop Oil
    Keir Starmer continues to take money from Dale Vince, founder of Ecotricity, despite UK entering the fifth week of disruption

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/28/labour-donation-dale-vince-just-stop-oil-15m/ (£££)

    Basically, Labour is taking money from a guy who owns a lot of wind farms.
    And Forest Green Rovers!
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    I'll be interesting to see where all this goes when someone kills himself or a member of his family because ChatGPT told him that drinking bleach, antifreeze and honey cures toothache. Tragic, but something like this is bound to happen sooner or later.
    Think that ChatGPT stole THAT prescription from Donald Trump?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front of if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
    Take that and read across to......

    GAH

    I really can't say. It is bigger than that. Is all

    I accept that this all sounds like delusional wank so I will shut up
    Yes, probably best because it sounds like you've been entrusted with something huge.
    Thanks. At least SOMEONE understands

    Imagine if you were privy to a secret which could change your lifelong world of chartered accountancy forever, you’d be bursting to tell everyone

    But you’ve sworn to keep it under wraps. Painful
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780

    On topic. Like SKS has loads of integrity.

    On which note:-

    Labour faces calls to return £1.5m donation from major backer of Just Stop Oil
    Keir Starmer continues to take money from Dale Vince, founder of Ecotricity, despite UK entering the fifth week of disruption

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/28/labour-donation-dale-vince-just-stop-oil-15m/ (£££)

    Basically, Labour is taking money from a guy who owns a lot of wind farms.
    And Forest Green Rovers!
    What sort of lunatic would buy Forest Green Rovers?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914

    Heathener said:

    felix said:

    Let's remember that Rishi was in Johnson's Cabinet from the beginning until vanishingly close to the end.

    Given that track record, what's the evidence that he can notice lack of integrity, unprofessionalism or unaccountability, let alone be able to do anything about them?

    And Starmer stuck with Corbyn right till the end......
    I'm less vexed about this than other things about Keir Starmer. I can see the point of working inside a cabinet or shadow cabinet to try and moderate it. I don't have a problem with that.

    I dislike Jeremy Corbyn's views on many issues but lack of integrity, flagrant dishonesty, and lying aren't his hallmarks. Which they are of the Conservative reprobates TSE wrote about.
    4 legs good, 2 legs bad
    I have read Animal Farm several times. Nonetheless I don't have a Scooby Doo as to what that post is telling me.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    What is a "psychonaut"?
    My eyebrows were raised higher on the notion of "world famous" estate agents.

    It sounds like the dinner party from Hell. Estate Agents, the drug addled, political SPADS, a playboy and a right-wing jobbing hack. Imagine the aroma of BS.
    It wasn’t a dinner party. It was a weekend

    At one point we all went to a secret music gig in an enchanted dell where you could have mind altering cacao drinks and gawp at the billlonaire heiresses



    They don’t really look like they are enjoying themselves

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,477

    ping said:

    This makes me more and more angry.

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/drugs-kingpin-who-planned-flood-26999629

    Unless it’s a cover to protect other sources, why did it take the french and dutch police to catch him out, before the British police bought him to justice?

    There should be fucking riots on the streets about this. The conservatives did this to us. How fucking dare they?

    I enabled this man, with my Tory vote back in 2012. I won’t make the same mistake again.

    The article says that it makes no suggestion his mother was aware of her son’s criminal activities. What is your reason for blaming the Tories for the failure of the police?
    He's making the not unreasonable assumption that Mum is likely to have known something.

    Not sure where the connection with the Tories comes from though. Seems to me the malaise in the Police Force goes back more than thirteen years and has structural origins that appear to be beyond all Parties.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    What is a "psychonaut"?
    My eyebrows were raised higher on the notion of "world famous" estate agents.

    It sounds like the dinner party from Hell. Estate Agents, the drug addled, political SPADS, a playboy and a right-wing jobbing hack. Imagine the aroma of BS.
    It wasn’t a dinner party. It was a weekend

    At one point we all went to a secret music gig in an enchanted dell where you could have mind altering cacao drinks and gawp at the billlonaire heiresses


    Did this all happened after the pyschonaut got his gear out?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Not down from the high yet ?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,034
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    The solution is probably to let him have more money and power, and stop interferring with his businesses I bet.
    It is hard to place too much credibility in Elon Musk given the number of wrong predictions he has made to date and recent events has shown him to have wildly poor judgment.
    it doesn't really matter whether you believe Musk or not

    The fact is - as my experience in Ibiza revealed - people who are paid to think and make predictions about this stuff, or people who have so much money they can influence or benefit from this stuff, to people who are free thinking weirdos with massive Twitter followings, are all OBSESSED with AI

    It was like being parachuted into my intellectual home. My kind of dudes. AI, AI, AI - then some more excellent wine - then back to AI
    You haven't told us why they're obsessed with AI.
    They can now personalise their anime smut with the click of a button?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,671
    rcs1000 said:

    mwadams said:

    kle4 said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    Elon Musk is a hype man, a phony of astral depth, a 20 foot glitter turd.
    All true. But Musk is also someone who knows how to solve complex technical and industrial challenges to create useful and desirable products. That combination of hype and technical expertise is very rare and is what is behind the success of Tesla and SpaceX.
    There's a really weird type of person who genuinely believes Musk is a fraud and devoid of true imagination: a charlatan. A lucky snake oil salesman. I've seen people on Twitter arguing that he is really quite stupid

    It is bizarre. Has he made terrible errors? And encountered disasters? Of course he has, he's a risk taker. An entrepreneur. But the idea he is dim is sensationally dim in itself

    Musk said Neuralink tech would hit the market in 2021. He said the world would be sleeping in their self driving cars by 2019. In 2014 he said there would be seriously dangerous AGI in five years. The guy clearly has talent in identifying the right startups to back, and in self publicity, but he is also a frequently wrong blowhard.
    You back 100 horses you're bound to get some winners.

    He's managed more success than simply backing a few right horses, I don't think anyone says he is completely stupid, but even before buying it twitter was very bad for his reputation, since it's shown he frequently engages in low grade trolling and inflated assumptions of his own understanding of things and situations, and has incredibly thin skin about it - which is just petty. You're rich enough to not give a shit, no need for pettiness.
    It's the old VC con, too. Back 15 things (with other people's money). Get 1 hit. Get people to put more money in at increased valuation. Declare a mega-hit. Rinse and repeat.

    You literally discount the failures and artificially ratchet the successes. It's worked well for 40 years, but it is already starting to creak.

    They won't care; that generation of the megawealthy is well insulated against failure.
    Interesting that you think that VC is the problem.

    VC is people trying to find the next Big Thing with their own money. Which they risk.

    And yet I've had people trying to claim that VC was responsible for 2008. Or is, what is actually chop shop version of hedge funds.
    The problem with the VC world is that either everything is getting funded, or nothing is getting funded. It would be nice if it could instead be some happy medium.
    It's not private money that is the problem, of course. It is the way investments and valuations are leveraged to keep the money-go-round going which is not well aligned with the creation and sustainability of great businesses.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    This is bloody horrible.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    Elon Musk is a hype man, a phony of astral depth, a 20 foot glitter turd.
    All true. But Musk is also someone who knows how to solve complex technical and industrial challenges to create useful and desirable products. That combination of hype and technical expertise is very rare and is what is behind the success of Tesla and SpaceX.
    There's a really weird type of person who genuinely believes Musk is a fraud and devoid of true imagination: a charlatan. A lucky snake oil salesman. I've seen people on Twitter arguing that he is really quite stupid

    It is bizarre. Has he made terrible errors? And encountered disasters? Of course he has, he's a risk taker. An entrepreneur. But the idea he is dim is sensationally dim in itself

    I didn't say he's dim. I said he's a 20ft glitter turd. Glitter turds are really the opposite of dim. They are bright and alluring and very very shiny. And they are turds.
    Bill Gates the Lesser (III not Jr) is a prime example IMHO.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    Farooq said:

    The French are wankers.

    Ukraine's Marta Kostyuk said "people should be embarrassed" after she was booed off court following her first-round defeat by Aryna Sabalenka at the French Open.

    Kostyuk avoided shaking hands with second seed Sabalenka after the Belarusian's 6-3 6-2 win.

    Belarus is an ally of Russia and allowed troops to use its territory to launch last year's invasion of Ukraine.

    Sabalenka said Kostyuk "didn't deserve to leave the court that way".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/65738855

    Why didn't she shake Sabalenka's hand? It's not her fault what Belarus is doing.
    It was performative on her part, to be sure, but deserving of being booed?
    Unless Sabalenka is in some way culpable or supportive of this injustice, then yes. Refusing to shake someone's hand because their government has done something wrong (if this is in fact the case) merits a hearty boo.
    In that spirit, and with the risk I'll need to retract if Sabalenka has indeed been saying some upsetting things, I'll join in: boooo, Kostyuk. Boooo.
    I thought you were in favour of the right to peaceful protest?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    dixiedean said:

    This is bloody horrible.

    Who will be the Barry Horne de nos jours?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,034
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    The solution is probably to let him have more money and power, and stop interferring with his businesses I bet.
    It is hard to place too much credibility in Elon Musk given the number of wrong predictions he has made to date and recent events has shown him to have wildly poor judgment.
    it doesn't really matter whether you believe Musk or not

    The fact is - as my experience in Ibiza revealed - people who are paid to think and make predictions about this stuff, or people who have so much money they can influence or benefit from this stuff, to people who are free thinking weirdos with massive Twitter followings, are all OBSESSED with AI

    It was like being parachuted into my intellectual home. My kind of dudes. AI, AI, AI - then some more excellent wine - then back to AI
    You haven't told us why they're obsessed with AI.
    Because they all think it is about to transform human society in multiple ways. Some are excited and optimistic, some are excited and pessimistic. But they are all excited and obsessed
    I admit I have a mix of 'whoa - cool.' and 'dear god, stop' when I see things like this being published :

    https://twitter.com/ZijiaoC/status/1660470518569639937

    "🧵🧠 We're witnessing incredible scientific progress in image & text reconstruction from fMRI nowadays. But what about reconstructing video from fMRI? Allow me to introduce our recent preprint: Mind-Video "
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,477
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front of if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
    Take that and read across to......

    GAH

    I really can't say. It is bigger than that. Is all

    I accept that this all sounds like delusional wank so I will shut up
    Yes, probably best because it sounds like you've been entrusted with something huge.
    Thanks. At least SOMEONE understands

    Imagine if you were privy to a secret which could change your lifelong world of chartered accountancy forever, you’d be bursting to tell everyone

    But you’ve sworn to keep it under wraps. Painful
    These elite people let you wander round with a camera taking snaps of them?

    I'm surprised.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    edited May 2023
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    Oh I don't know, I nearly saw a fight break out between a ukulele band and the Punch and Judy act who were drowning each other out.
    I went to a performance of Missa Solemnis.
    Not dissimilar to Leon's experience (and perhaps yours), as it's very loud, and more than a little bit mad.

    Not all that often performed these days.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    ydoethur said:

    The AfD are approaching second place in the German polls.

    image

    One thought that does occur to me about Starmer is pretty much every other soft left wing European party seems to be either on the defensive or actively imploding with its votes haemorrhaging off to other parties, as we see here with the SPD. Labour isn't.

    Sure, it may have been lucky the obvious alternatives in the LDs and SNP decided to self-immolate in spectacular fashion. But it's still an interesting bucking of the general trend.

    And it's not so long ago that Labour were part of it, as well.
    Labour were in pole position as far as exploding left of centre organisations were concerned. I am old enough to remember December 2019.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,034

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    What is a "psychonaut"?
    My eyebrows were raised higher on the notion of "world famous" estate agents.

    It sounds like the dinner party from Hell. Estate Agents, the drug addled, political SPADS, a playboy and a right-wing jobbing hack. Imagine the aroma of BS.
    It wasn’t a dinner party. It was a weekend

    At one point we all went to a secret music gig in an enchanted dell where you could have mind altering cacao drinks and gawp at the billlonaire heiresses



    They don’t really look like they are enjoying themselves

    "Leons travelogues will continue until morale improves!"
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front of if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
    Take that and read across to......

    GAH

    I really can't say. It is bigger than that. Is all

    I accept that this all sounds like delusional wank so I will shut up
    Yes, probably best because it sounds like you've been entrusted with something huge.
    Thanks. At least SOMEONE understands

    Imagine if you were privy to a secret which could change your lifelong world of chartered accountancy forever, you’d be bursting to tell everyone

    But you’ve sworn to keep it under wraps. Painful
    These elite people let you wander round with a camera taking snaps of them?

    I'm surprised.
    Perhaps they're not up to scratch with the latest technology - cameras in mobile telephones and all that.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    Creeping fascism latest: Extinction Rebellion protest ends with 1,500 arrested

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65735289

    Extinction Rebellion accused police of using water cannon just 15 minutes after the start of the blockade - but police said they had asked the activists to leave and gave them a chance to do so before using the water cannon.
    The 1,579 people who refused to leave were then arrested.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    Ominous for Trump?

    Trump issues an urgent demand yesterday not to impeach Ken Paxton, which was read on the Floor by a Member before the vote, and virtually the entire Texas Republican House just ignored him.


    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1662847462476750850
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited May 2023
    Ok, I’ll shut up. I don’t know any more than what the media have published.

    All I’m saying is, I’ll think very carefully, next time I go to the ballot box.

    Lesson learnt.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    What is a "psychonaut"?
    My eyebrows were raised higher on the notion of "world famous" estate agents.

    It sounds like the dinner party from Hell. Estate Agents, the drug addled, political SPADS, a playboy and a right-wing jobbing hack. Imagine the aroma of BS.
    It wasn’t a dinner party. It was a weekend

    At one point we all went to a secret music gig in an enchanted dell where you could have mind altering cacao drinks and gawp at the billlonaire heiresses



    They don’t really look like they are enjoying themselves

    That was the beginning when we all had to meditate. It was quite woowoo and dull tbh

    But then the mood changed and the beat made everyone dance, yes even the sad middle aged men. And it was surprisingly enjoyable - and trippy

    These concerts are secret and sell out in an hour. Word of mouth. Also ridiculously expensive








  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    dixiedean said:

    This is bloody horrible.

    I get the feeling this is not going to be Everton in the 46th then a canter home, but I think you perhaps remain marginal favourites.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914
    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone expect Erdogan to lose tonight?

    A few weeks ago I did. But not now.

    I was in Istanbul in January and there were high hopes after a sustained period of hyper-inflation and his pathetic response to the earthquake that Erdogan was finished. Oh well.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    What is a "psychonaut"?
    My eyebrows were raised higher on the notion of "world famous" estate agents.

    It sounds like the dinner party from Hell. Estate Agents, the drug addled, political SPADS, a playboy and a right-wing jobbing hack. Imagine the aroma of BS.
    It wasn’t a dinner party. It was a weekend

    At one point we all went to a secret music gig in an enchanted dell where you could have mind altering cacao drinks and gawp at the billlonaire heiresses



    They don’t really look like they are enjoying themselves

    That was the beginning when we all had to meditate. It was quite woowoo and dull tbh

    But then the mood changed and the beat made everyone dance, yes even the sad middle aged men. And it was surprisingly enjoyable - and trippy

    These concerts are secret and sell out in an hour. Word of mouth. Also ridiculously expensive

    You're a honeytrap waiting to happen.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    If anyone thought the Monaco GP was boring, there now follows three hours of American cars turning only left.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    The solution is probably to let him have more money and power, and stop interferring with his businesses I bet.
    It is hard to place too much credibility in Elon Musk given the number of wrong predictions he has made to date and recent events has shown him to have wildly poor judgment.
    it doesn't really matter whether you believe Musk or not

    The fact is - as my experience in Ibiza revealed - people who are paid to think and make predictions about this stuff, or people who have so much money they can influence or benefit from this stuff, to people who are free thinking weirdos with massive Twitter followings, are all OBSESSED with AI

    It was like being parachuted into my intellectual home. My kind of dudes. AI, AI, AI - then some more excellent wine - then back to AI
    You haven't told us why they're obsessed with AI.
    Because they all think it is about to transform human society in multiple ways. Some are excited and optimistic, some are excited and pessimistic. But they are all excited and obsessed
    I admit I have a mix of 'whoa - cool.' and 'dear god, stop' when I see things like this being published :

    https://twitter.com/ZijiaoC/status/1660470518569639937

    "🧵🧠 We're witnessing incredible scientific progress in image & text reconstruction from fMRI nowadays. But what about reconstructing video from fMRI? Allow me to introduce our recent preprint: Mind-Video "
    Jeez. They are making those videos by scanning brains?!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front of if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
    Take that and read across to......

    GAH

    I really can't say. It is bigger than that. Is all

    I accept that this all sounds like delusional wank so I will shut up
    Yes, probably best because it sounds like you've been entrusted with something huge.
    Thanks. At least SOMEONE understands

    Imagine if you were privy to a secret which could change your lifelong world of chartered accountancy forever, you’d be bursting to tell everyone

    But you’ve sworn to keep it under wraps. Painful
    Indeed. If there was a secret I wanted to keep I’d certainly entrust it to a travel journalist whose main hobbies include drinking and posting on a political message board.
    Have I revealed anything? Nope
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    Oh I don't know, I nearly saw a fight break out between a ukulele band and the Punch and Judy act who were drowning each other out.
    Do you mean the fight happened and you nearly saw it? Or no fight actually happened, it just got close?

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177
    Sandpit said:

    If anyone thought the Monaco GP was boring, there now follows three hours of American cars turning only left.

    I thought with American cars, the correct procedure was, on encountering a corner -

    1) Stop
    2) Abandon the car
    3) Walk round the corner
    4) Find a car dealer.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,034
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    The solution is probably to let him have more money and power, and stop interferring with his businesses I bet.
    It is hard to place too much credibility in Elon Musk given the number of wrong predictions he has made to date and recent events has shown him to have wildly poor judgment.
    it doesn't really matter whether you believe Musk or not

    The fact is - as my experience in Ibiza revealed - people who are paid to think and make predictions about this stuff, or people who have so much money they can influence or benefit from this stuff, to people who are free thinking weirdos with massive Twitter followings, are all OBSESSED with AI

    It was like being parachuted into my intellectual home. My kind of dudes. AI, AI, AI - then some more excellent wine - then back to AI
    You haven't told us why they're obsessed with AI.
    Because they all think it is about to transform human society in multiple ways. Some are excited and optimistic, some are excited and pessimistic. But they are all excited and obsessed
    I admit I have a mix of 'whoa - cool.' and 'dear god, stop' when I see things like this being published :

    https://twitter.com/ZijiaoC/status/1660470518569639937

    "🧵🧠 We're witnessing incredible scientific progress in image & text reconstruction from fMRI nowadays. But what about reconstructing video from fMRI? Allow me to introduce our recent preprint: Mind-Video "
    Jeez. They are making those videos by scanning brains?!
    Yeah - train the model for 24hrs before hand on the person in question. Then reconstruct away to their hearts content 'live' from the signals in their visual cortex from the fMRI scanner.

    Not sure how much training they'll need to get a more universal model. Or if we'll find out that everyone is actually unique (which might be more interesting).
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    Sandpit said:

    If anyone thought the Monaco GP was boring, there now follows three hours of American cars turning only left.

    You wouldn't dare suggest to those fellows that they're like a one legged army, though.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,752
    Sandpit said:

    If anyone thought the Monaco GP was boring, there now follows three hours of American cars turning only left.

    I actually enjoyed the GP. And I've come to appreciate the 500 for what it is.

    But maybe I just need to get out a bit more...
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,188

    Sandpit said:

    If anyone thought the Monaco GP was boring, there now follows three hours of American cars turning only left.

    I thought with American cars, the correct procedure was, on encountering a corner -

    1) Stop
    2) Abandon the car
    3) Walk round the corner
    4) Find a car dealer.
    Manual gear change surely???? ;)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    The solution is probably to let him have more money and power, and stop interferring with his businesses I bet.
    It is hard to place too much credibility in Elon Musk given the number of wrong predictions he has made to date and recent events has shown him to have wildly poor judgment.
    it doesn't really matter whether you believe Musk or not

    The fact is - as my experience in Ibiza revealed - people who are paid to think and make predictions about this stuff, or people who have so much money they can influence or benefit from this stuff, to people who are free thinking weirdos with massive Twitter followings, are all OBSESSED with AI

    It was like being parachuted into my intellectual home. My kind of dudes. AI, AI, AI - then some more excellent wine - then back to AI
    You haven't told us why they're obsessed with AI.
    Because they all think it is about to transform human society in multiple ways. Some are excited and optimistic, some are excited and pessimistic. But they are all excited and obsessed
    I admit I have a mix of 'whoa - cool.' and 'dear god, stop' when I see things like this being published :

    https://twitter.com/ZijiaoC/status/1660470518569639937

    "🧵🧠 We're witnessing incredible scientific progress in image & text reconstruction from fMRI nowadays. But what about reconstructing video from fMRI? Allow me to introduce our recent preprint: Mind-Video "
    Jeez. They are making those videos by scanning brains?!
    Yeah - train the model for 24hrs before hand on the person in question. Then reconstruct away to their hearts content 'live' from the signals in their visual cortex from the fMRI scanner.

    Not sure how much training they'll need to get a more universal model. Or if we'll find out that everyone is actually unique (which might be more interesting).
    This is a plot device - IIRC - of “Quatermass and the Pit” - scanning brains and turning thoughts into images and videos

    At the time I watched it, this was one of the most far fetched elements in a very speculative movie. Yet now: here it is

    We are living at an incredible moment when sci-fi becomes real in multiple ways
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,477

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front of if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
    Take that and read across to......

    GAH

    I really can't say. It is bigger than that. Is all

    I accept that this all sounds like delusional wank so I will shut up
    Yes, probably best because it sounds like you've been entrusted with something huge.
    Thanks. At least SOMEONE understands

    Imagine if you were privy to a secret which could change your lifelong world of chartered accountancy forever, you’d be bursting to tell everyone

    But you’ve sworn to keep it under wraps. Painful
    These elite people let you wander round with a camera taking snaps of them?

    I'm surprised.
    Perhaps they're not up to scratch with the latest technology - cameras in mobile telephones and all that.
    I'm not doubting Leon's word, it's just that in my limited experience people of the type he describes tend to be a bit camera-shy, especially when at public gatherings.

    The meditation bit sounds a bit flaky though. Begins to sound like a Scientology induction meeting.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    rcs1000 said:

    Let's remember that Rishi was in Johnson's Cabinet from the beginning until vanishingly close to the end.

    Given that track record, what's the evidence that he can notice lack of integrity, unprofessionalism or unaccountability, let alone be able to do anything about them?

    He was happy at both Goldman and TCIF. That speaks volumes about his integrity
    What? Happy *all* the time?
    Probably grumpy once a year, and I’d imagine he was sleepy quite a lot as well
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    Sandpit said:

    If anyone thought the Monaco GP was boring, there now follows three hours of American cars turning only left.

    I actually enjoyed the GP. And I've come to appreciate the 500 for what it is.

    But maybe I just need to get out a bit more...
    Yes, the rain made Monaco not a bad event. Indy 500 is a very different type of race, but also very much a classic.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981
    I'm still sticking to my prediction that David Moyes will save Everton today.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,981

    I'm still sticking to my prediction that David Moyes will save Everton today.

    Turns out they don't need him.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,188
    On topic:

    Boris over-promised and never delivered.

    Rishi over-promises and under-delievers.

    Rishi was acceptable to Boris.

    ∴ Rishi is merely Boris-lite and somewhat less rubbish. Still no prize....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    The solution is probably to let him have more money and power, and stop interferring with his businesses I bet.
    It is hard to place too much credibility in Elon Musk given the number of wrong predictions he has made to date and recent events has shown him to have wildly poor judgment.
    it doesn't really matter whether you believe Musk or not

    The fact is - as my experience in Ibiza revealed - people who are paid to think and make predictions about this stuff, or people who have so much money they can influence or benefit from this stuff, to people who are free thinking weirdos with massive Twitter followings, are all OBSESSED with AI

    It was like being parachuted into my intellectual home. My kind of dudes. AI, AI, AI - then some more excellent wine - then back to AI
    You give far too much credibility to people with status. Most of them just repeat what they hear from each other until they fall for the human bias to utterly believe something you hear from three sources you trust.
    This is unfortunately true. Our Blessed Author Of Many Names believes things that rich high people tell him at parties. Which is worrying.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    edited May 2023
    viewcode said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    The solution is probably to let him have more money and power, and stop interferring with his businesses I bet.
    It is hard to place too much credibility in Elon Musk given the number of wrong predictions he has made to date and recent events has shown him to have wildly poor judgment.
    it doesn't really matter whether you believe Musk or not

    The fact is - as my experience in Ibiza revealed - people who are paid to think and make predictions about this stuff, or people who have so much money they can influence or benefit from this stuff, to people who are free thinking weirdos with massive Twitter followings, are all OBSESSED with AI

    It was like being parachuted into my intellectual home. My kind of dudes. AI, AI, AI - then some more excellent wine - then back to AI
    You give far too much credibility to people with status. Most of them just repeat what they hear from each other until they fall for the human bias to utterly believe something you hear from three sources you trust.
    This is unfortunately true. Our Blessed Author Of Many Names believes things that rich high people tell him at parties. Which is worrying.
    At least I get to go to the parties
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,177

    Sandpit said:

    If anyone thought the Monaco GP was boring, there now follows three hours of American cars turning only left.

    I thought with American cars, the correct procedure was, on encountering a corner -

    1) Stop
    2) Abandon the car
    3) Walk round the corner
    4) Find a car dealer.
    Manual gear change surely???? ;)
    If you are in one of those science fiction movies where American cars go round corners, and you are high on nitrous, then you change up to 37th gear in the process...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    edited May 2023
    Everton surviving. Boring
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,034
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    The solution is probably to let him have more money and power, and stop interferring with his businesses I bet.
    It is hard to place too much credibility in Elon Musk given the number of wrong predictions he has made to date and recent events has shown him to have wildly poor judgment.
    it doesn't really matter whether you believe Musk or not

    The fact is - as my experience in Ibiza revealed - people who are paid to think and make predictions about this stuff, or people who have so much money they can influence or benefit from this stuff, to people who are free thinking weirdos with massive Twitter followings, are all OBSESSED with AI

    It was like being parachuted into my intellectual home. My kind of dudes. AI, AI, AI - then some more excellent wine - then back to AI
    You haven't told us why they're obsessed with AI.
    Because they all think it is about to transform human society in multiple ways. Some are excited and optimistic, some are excited and pessimistic. But they are all excited and obsessed
    I admit I have a mix of 'whoa - cool.' and 'dear god, stop' when I see things like this being published :

    https://twitter.com/ZijiaoC/status/1660470518569639937

    "🧵🧠 We're witnessing incredible scientific progress in image & text reconstruction from fMRI nowadays. But what about reconstructing video from fMRI? Allow me to introduce our recent preprint: Mind-Video "
    Jeez. They are making those videos by scanning brains?!
    Yeah - train the model for 24hrs before hand on the person in question. Then reconstruct away to their hearts content 'live' from the signals in their visual cortex from the fMRI scanner.

    Not sure how much training they'll need to get a more universal model. Or if we'll find out that everyone is actually unique (which might be more interesting).
    This is a plot device - IIRC - of “Quatermass and the Pit” - scanning brains and turning thoughts into images and videos

    At the time I watched it, this was one of the most far fetched elements in a very speculative movie. Yet now: here it is

    We are living at an incredible moment when sci-fi becomes real in multiple ways
    If you've not seen it there's a 90s film by Wim Wenders that explores a lot of the issues (and takes a rather darker turn towards the end).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Until_the_End_of_the_World

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Ominous for Trump?

    Trump issues an urgent demand yesterday not to impeach Ken Paxton, which was read on the Floor by a Member before the vote, and virtually the entire Texas Republican House just ignored him.


    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1662847462476750850

    It seems like an odd moment for him to test his power. I mean, given the nature of the state it seems unlikely the House was casually looking to impeach their Republican AG, so if it was getting to that stage the outcome was very likely, and any pressure from Trump would have worked to prevent it coming to a vote, if it was going to work at all.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476

    Heathener said:

    felix said:

    Let's remember that Rishi was in Johnson's Cabinet from the beginning until vanishingly close to the end.

    Given that track record, what's the evidence that he can notice lack of integrity, unprofessionalism or unaccountability, let alone be able to do anything about them?

    And Starmer stuck with Corbyn right till the end......
    I'm less vexed about this than other things about Keir Starmer. I can see the point of working inside a cabinet or shadow cabinet to try and moderate it. I don't have a problem with that.

    I dislike Jeremy Corbyn's views on many issues but lack of integrity, flagrant dishonesty, and lying aren't his hallmarks. Which they are of the Conservative reprobates TSE wrote about.
    4 legs good, 2 legs bad
    I have read Animal Farm several times. Nonetheless I don't have a Scooby Doo as to what that post is telling me.
    It’s wrong for Sunak to serve in Johnson’s cabinet but ok for Starmer to sit in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet because… *reasons*

    @Heathener is saying it’s ok when her side does it

    Hence four legs good, two legs bad

    (And remember where it ended up)

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    Leon said:

    Everton surviving. Boring

    We sure are.
    Guilty on both counts.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,175

    Heathener said:

    felix said:

    Let's remember that Rishi was in Johnson's Cabinet from the beginning until vanishingly close to the end.

    Given that track record, what's the evidence that he can notice lack of integrity, unprofessionalism or unaccountability, let alone be able to do anything about them?

    And Starmer stuck with Corbyn right till the end......
    I'm less vexed about this than other things about Keir Starmer. I can see the point of working inside a cabinet or shadow cabinet to try and moderate it. I don't have a problem with that.

    I dislike Jeremy Corbyn's views on many issues but lack of integrity, flagrant dishonesty, and lying aren't his hallmarks. Which they are of the Conservative reprobates TSE wrote about.
    4 legs good, 2 legs bad
    I have read Animal Farm several times. Nonetheless I don't have a Scooby Doo as to what that post is telling me.
    The hypocrisy of the left.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    I've just spent the weekend in Ibiza with a mad array of super intelligent people, from billionaire investors to maverick bohemian psychonauts to world famous real estate developers to UN policy wonks with too much money

    They are ALL obsessed with AI. Everyone

    AI-wise, we're near the Peak of Inflated Expectations right now. Soon, we'll be in the Trough of Disillusionment.
    Others demur


    "Elon Musk has warned that in the next two to three decades, artificial intelligence will change society so much that it will go beyond recognition. He also predicts that the development of artificial general intelligence (AGI) is not far away, possibly only three to six years"

    https://twitter.com/LucySyarahlyana/status/1662791952402726912?s=20
    The solution is probably to let him have more money and power, and stop interferring with his businesses I bet.
    It is hard to place too much credibility in Elon Musk given the number of wrong predictions he has made to date and recent events has shown him to have wildly poor judgment.
    it doesn't really matter whether you believe Musk or not

    The fact is - as my experience in Ibiza revealed - people who are paid to think and make predictions about this stuff, or people who have so much money they can influence or benefit from this stuff, to people who are free thinking weirdos with massive Twitter followings, are all OBSESSED with AI

    It was like being parachuted into my intellectual home. My kind of dudes. AI, AI, AI - then some more excellent wine - then back to AI
    You haven't told us why they're obsessed with AI.
    Because they all think it is about to transform human society in multiple ways. Some are excited and optimistic, some are excited and pessimistic. But they are all excited and obsessed
    I admit I have a mix of 'whoa - cool.' and 'dear god, stop' when I see things like this being published :

    https://twitter.com/ZijiaoC/status/1660470518569639937

    "🧵🧠 We're witnessing incredible scientific progress in image & text reconstruction from fMRI nowadays. But what about reconstructing video from fMRI? Allow me to introduce our recent preprint: Mind-Video "
    Jeez. They are making those videos by scanning brains?!
    Yeah - train the model for 24hrs before hand on the person in question. Then reconstruct away to their hearts content 'live' from the signals in their visual cortex from the fMRI scanner.

    Not sure how much training they'll need to get a more universal model. Or if we'll find out that everyone is actually unique (which might be more interesting).
    This is a plot device - IIRC - of “Quatermass and the Pit” - scanning brains and turning thoughts into images and videos

    At the time I watched it, this was one of the most far fetched elements in a very speculative movie. Yet now: here it is

    We are living at an incredible moment when sci-fi becomes real in multiple ways
    If you've not seen it there's a 90s film by Wim Wenders that explores a lot of the issues (and takes a rather darker turn towards the end).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Until_the_End_of_the_World

    The state - or mega corporations with advanced AI - will literally be able to read your thoughts

    It’s not hard to see that taking a darker turn

    😱
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,188

    Sandpit said:

    If anyone thought the Monaco GP was boring, there now follows three hours of American cars turning only left.

    I thought with American cars, the correct procedure was, on encountering a corner -

    1) Stop
    2) Abandon the car
    3) Walk round the corner
    4) Find a car dealer.
    Manual gear change surely???? ;)
    If you are in one of those science fiction movies where American cars go round corners, and you are high on nitrous, then you change up to 37th gear in the process...
    I obviously did not waste enough childhood on such things... ;)
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476

    ping said:

    This makes me more and more angry.

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/drugs-kingpin-who-planned-flood-26999629

    Unless it’s a cover to protect other sources, why did it take the french and dutch police to catch him out, before the British police bought him to justice?

    There should be fucking riots on the streets about this. The conservatives did this to us. How fucking dare they?

    I enabled this man, with my Tory vote back in 2012. I won’t make the same mistake again.

    The article says that it makes no suggestion his mother was aware of her son’s criminal activities. What is your reason for blaming the Tories for the failure of the police?
    He's making the not unreasonable assumption that Mum is likely to have known something.

    Not sure where the connection with the Tories comes from though. Seems to me the malaise in the Police Force goes back more than thirteen years and has structural origins that appear to be beyond all Parties.
    Without evidence that’s quite close to accusing her of criminal neglect in demonstrating favouritism. She is is responsible for the police in her area.

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,476
    dixiedean said:

    This is bloody horrible.

    You ok?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    A useful lesson - for now.
    For how much longer is an open question.

    https://twitter.com/cwhowell123/status/1662501821133254656
    So I followed @GaryMarcus's suggestion and had my undergrad class use ChatGPT for a critical assignment. I had them all generate an essay using a prompt I gave them, and then their job was to "grade" it--look for hallucinated info and critique its analysis. *All 63* essays had hallucinated information. Fake quotes, fake sources, or real sources misunderstood and mischaracterized. Every single assignment. I was stunned--I figured the rate would be high, but not that high.

    The biggest takeaway from this was that the students all learned that it isn't fully reliable. Before doing it, many of them were under the impression it was always right. Their feedback largely focused on how shocked they were that it could mislead them. Probably 50% of them were unaware it could do this. All of them expressed fears and concerns about mental atrophy and the possibility for misinformation/fake news. One student was worried that their neural pathways formed from critical thinking would start to degrade or weaken...


  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front of if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
    Take that and read across to......

    GAH

    I really can't say. It is bigger than that. Is all

    I accept that this all sounds like delusional wank so I will shut up
    Yes, probably best because it sounds like you've been entrusted with something huge.
    Thanks. At least SOMEONE understands

    Imagine if you were privy to a secret which could change your lifelong world of chartered accountancy forever, you’d be bursting to tell everyone

    But you’ve sworn to keep it under wraps. Painful
    Indeed. If there was a secret I wanted to keep I’d certainly entrust it to a travel journalist whose main hobbies include drinking and posting on a political message board.
    Have I revealed anything? Nope
    You’ve revealed that there is a secret. Not exactly tradecraft is it?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    kle4 said:

    Ominous for Trump?

    Trump issues an urgent demand yesterday not to impeach Ken Paxton, which was read on the Floor by a Member before the vote, and virtually the entire Texas Republican House just ignored him.


    https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1662847462476750850

    It seems like an odd moment for him to test his power. I mean, given the nature of the state it seems unlikely the House was casually looking to impeach their Republican AG, so if it was getting to that stage the outcome was very likely, and any pressure from Trump would have worked to prevent it coming to a vote, if it was going to work at all.
    If the Republicans start rejecting frauds and criminals, it might set a disturbing precedent for him.
    It probably won't, but you can fully understand his concern.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    If all goes well, in about a year you will all learn what these people were doing in the Balearics because it will be in the news

    Potentially it will be seriously headline news

    Its the same thing people that do Davos every year. People with status getting a special glow from each other for being part of an exclusive, luxury event.
    No, it really isn't. There were Davos types there - I don't deny it - but the purpose was much more exciting and forensic than just waffling away about ecology and trade
    It's easy to mock you, and there's obviously an element of sour grapes, because I am sure it was far more glamorous than most other peoples' weekends. However, I must say it does all just sound a little sad. Anyway, glad you're there to report back to us, and that you're enjoying it.
    I genuinely wish I could tell you the purpose of the gathering. It is the opposite of "sad". It is one of the most compelling, uplifting and intriguing endeavours I have ever encountered. It is absolutely extraordinary. A proper mind fuck. Off the dial

    But I can't tell you for multiple reasons and so I will have to allow your opinions to go unchallenged. Hopefully some time in the next 6-18 months I will be able to say: Yeah, that was it, that's the Thing

    If it all fails, I shall just pretend I never said any of this

    Why can't you tell us? Are you working for MI5 now? And re your other post how is it forensic?
    Because I've agreed to stay shtoom (as have others) - that's part of the price for joining the endeavour

    It is the single most interesting project I have ever been engaged with, by some margin. It leads to hair-raising conversations in taxis across Majorca, where world changing stuff is casually discussed
    So we need to ask a taxi driver then?
    Not when they are self driving

    HINT
    Well if that is it I don't think that is far off. I was gobsmaked by what my new car can do. I can park it while not in the car and it self steers while doing so.. It brakes if it detects a possible collision in front of if I pull out into traffic. It corrects the steering (which is annoying). I can give it verbal commands, eg open the boot. Etc. I mean that isn't far off is it?
    Take that and read across to......

    GAH

    I really can't say. It is bigger than that. Is all

    I accept that this all sounds like delusional wank so I will shut up
    Yes, probably best because it sounds like you've been entrusted with something huge.
    Thanks. At least SOMEONE understands

    Imagine if you were privy to a secret which could change your lifelong world of chartered accountancy forever, you’d be bursting to tell everyone

    But you’ve sworn to keep it under wraps. Painful
    Indeed. If there was a secret I wanted to keep I’d certainly entrust it to a travel journalist whose main hobbies include drinking and posting on a political message board.
    Have I revealed anything? Nope
    You’ve revealed that there is a secret. Not exactly tradecraft is it?
    Unless that's just what he wants you to think...
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