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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    Russia brings two new charges against Crimean Tatar human rights defender
    29.05.2023
    Halya Coynash
    Abdureshit Dzhepparov is accused of ‘discrediting the Russian armed forces’ over material that had nothing to do with him, as well as with ‘abusing freedom of mass information’ in occupied Crimea where Russia has eliminated all such freedom
    https://khpg.org/en/1608812311
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    Erdogan says the quiet part out loud: “I will be here until I’m in the grave.”
    https://twitter.com/AlecLuhn/status/1662875321861910529
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,843
    edited May 2023

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I usually end up watching top TV shows about 20 years after they first come out. For instance I watched the original Twin Peaks series from 1990 in about 2012. So I'll probably be watching Succession in about 2038.

    Yes, I'm limbering up for Mad Men. Then I'm thinking about Frazier.
    Can I recommend Blake's 7 and The Prisoner?
    And sldo the original series of The Fugitive. Surprisingly watchable 50 yrs plus on. Some over the acting is a bit ham but the appearance of Lt Gérard always ups the ante.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147
    edited May 2023
    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    On a lighter note, I think I've found Robert's new crush.

    ‘I’ve followed Radiohead from the start – I recognise genius when I hear it’: Rickie Lee Jones’s honest playlist
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/may/29/rickie-lee-jones-honest-playlist
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,903
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,903
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    FF43 said:

    Erdogan wins the Turkish presidential election by 52% to 48%. The golden ratio.

    Kılıçdaroğlu wins Ankara and Istanbul and the main Turkish liberal urban areas but Erdogan looks to have swept more conservative rural Turkey and less wealthy areas.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2023/may/28/turkey-election-results-presidential-vote-round-two
    He's won everywhere which isn't Istanbul, Ankara, Mediterranean Coast or Kurdish east.
    Country is very divided geographically.
    Looks very much like the Brexit vote or US 2016 election yes, Remain and Hillary won the big cities comfortably but Leave and Trump won everywhere else
    Remain won in every part of Scotland
    Banff and Buchan voted Leave and even in Scotland urban areas were much more Remain than rural areas
    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-constituency-of-banff-and-buchan-voted-for-brexit-1462018
    Every council area in Scotland voted Remain. All of them. Rural or urban. All.
    As I said Banff and Buchan, a constituency of over 50,000 people and predominantly rural and coastal fishing ports, voted 54% Leave so your statement Remain won in every part of Scotland was wrong
    Every single council area, HYUFD. All of them.
    NOT every single part of Scotland though which is what you said
    Yeah, well, Tam down the way in number 12, he lives alone and he voted Alba so I guess Alba won "parts" of Scotland too. Just the one hoose ken, but it counts.
    We are talking a whole parliamentary constituency, not 1 house. As I said Banff and Buchan voted 54% Leave
    We're talking about council areas because that's how it's been widely reported.

    In any case you're wrong:
    Remain... won the big cities comfortably but Leave... won everywhere else.

    How many big cities do you reckon there are in Aberdeenshire?
    Well technically if you really want to get pedantic Birmingham and Sheffield voted Leave despite being big cities but we were talking the overall trend ie Remain won a majority of the vote in big cities, Leave won a majority of the vote in rural areas and ex industrial and market towns
    The "big cities" thing wasn't me.
    If you want to have it out with with person who said that, have a word with that HYUFD guy. But watch out, he's a bit fighty and bit all over the place.
    No, you said 'Remain won in every part of Scotland' and were completely wrong as Banff and Buchan Westminster constituency voted 54% Leave

    In England, as happened in the 2011 AV referendum, the 326 districts were used as the local voting areas and the returns of these then fed into nine English regional counts. In Scotland the local voting areas were the 32 local councils which then fed their results into the Scottish national count

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum#Voting,_voting_areas,_and_counts
    This is a very funny PB pedant dispute, since of course not 'every part' of Scotland voted remain, if there was no constituency involved you could find a town or some other subdivision which did somewhere, which is why 'part' is meaningless as it has no definition. Even if the vote was 80/20 there'd be an estate or two which voted mostly leave and so not 'every' part would have been for Remain, but it wouldn't mean much! I know he's bigging up it's not one house it's a constituency, but the argument is over the word 'part' and so would have continued on a lesser scale without that element.
    Aren't the constituency vote numbers estimates not actual results, because the numbers were counted on the basis of larger aggregations? So the argument that 'constituency X voted X' can't be regarded as categorically true anyway? Apologies if I have misremembered.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    If you do lots of travel though, won't that in itself contribute to global warming?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,972
    Comedy watching HY cling onto Banff and Buchan having voted leave.

    They wouldn't do now. Banff & Buchan is farming, fishing and energy workers. Two huge fishing ports, and at the time the fishermen believed that freedom from the CFP would benefit them.

    What do they think now? They have been screwed, and even local fishing leaders who had been vocal for leave are vocal for "we've been screwed".

    And let local lickspittle MP David Duguid sends constituency newsletters extolling the benefits of leave, and that he's with the fishing industry who are having a marvellous time out of the EU.

    You can only tell people the sky is green for so long. His time will come, and HY can cling to whatever salami sliced stat of the past he wants - his lot are widely and rightly recognised as lying corrupt shysters.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 43% (-)
    CON: 28% (-1)
    LDEM: 9% (-2)
    GRN: 7% (+2)
    REF: 6% (-)

    via
    @OpiniumResearch
    , 23 - 26 May

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1663069661137887232?cxt=HHwWgIDTzfTCtJQuAAAA
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
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  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    There were a number of creatures, including at least some dinosaurs, who survived that extinction event too.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,509

    Westie said:

    Off-topic, and IQ is a complete load of cobblers (nice to see UCL have denamed Francis Galton) but this article is hilarious regardless:

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland-lags-europe-in-iq-league-2470181

    Av IQ in Scotland is supposedly 5 points below av for London and SE England. ROFL!

    Where's @malcolmg when you need him?
    Load of Fing bollocks obviously made up by some thick poncy southern / London thickos wishing tehy could be as good as the Scottish. Their inferiority complexes glowing in the dark and done using their tame lickspittle unionist toilet roll manufacturers.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    Good morning

    It does appear that pensions are shaping up to be one of the main issues at the next election with politicians of all sides seeing them as a bit of a piggy bank to dip into.

    In a similar vein to Rachel Reeves comments last week the Tony Blair institute wants to look at consolidation and dipping into the funds to ‘save the economy’.

    What could possibly go wrong !

    No mention of how SIPPs would be affected.

    https://www.ft.com/content/b8d1d792-6bdd-4338-957b-968459bf11fe
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,468
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    There were a number of creatures, including at least some dinosaurs, who survived that extinction event too.
    And unless we manage to take down every species of living thing when we go (NB This Is Not A Challenge), the survivors will continue to evolve to fill out all the empty spaces in the planet's ecology. It will just take a few tens of millions of years.

    The great thing about studying Earth Science is the bracing sense of perspective it gives you.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    He’s predicting that life will continue after a dinosaur-level extinction event. Which, in truth, should not be controversial.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    If you do lots of travel though, won't that in itself contribute to global warming?
    To quote a Russian folk saying that seems particularly appropriate: "My house is burning down, I may as well warm my hands"

    Yes, global tourism is a substantial part of climate change, even supposed eco-tourism.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,509
    Taz said:

    Good morning

    It does appear that pensions are shaping up to be one of the main issues at the next election with politicians of all sides seeing them as a bit of a piggy bank to dip into.

    In a similar vein to Rachel Reeves comments last week the Tony Blair institute wants to look at consolidation and dipping into the funds to ‘save the economy’.

    What could possibly go wrong !

    No mention of how SIPPs would be affected.

    https://www.ft.com/content/b8d1d792-6bdd-4338-957b-968459bf11fe

    paywall and I woudl not give those rogues a penny, pity.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,499
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    If you do lots of travel though, won't that in itself contribute to global warming?
    Well indeed. Climate change isn't going to happen on a timescale that affects us very much. It the quality of the lives of our descendants that depends on our actions now.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    The cost of Brexit: red tape, tensions and lack of labour

    In the first of a two-part series, Times reporters look at the effect that leaving the EU has had on the services industry

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-cost-of-brexit-red-tape-tensions-and-lack-of-labour-qfqvw8kx9
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Good morning

    It does appear that pensions are shaping up to be one of the main issues at the next election with politicians of all sides seeing them as a bit of a piggy bank to dip into.

    In a similar vein to Rachel Reeves comments last week the Tony Blair institute wants to look at consolidation and dipping into the funds to ‘save the economy’.

    What could possibly go wrong !

    No mention of how SIPPs would be affected.

    https://www.ft.com/content/b8d1d792-6bdd-4338-957b-968459bf11fe

    paywall and I woudl not give those rogues a penny, pity.
    Hi Malc hope all is good with you up there.

    Lovely sunny day down in Durham.

    Shouldn’t be Paywalled. I was able to read it. Yes. I share your sentiment. It’s my pot. I really don’t want govts dipping into it. They don’t have a great track record on investment.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,820
    Scott_xP said:

    The cost of Brexit: red tape, tensions and lack of labour

    In the first of a two-part series, Times reporters look at the effect that leaving the EU has had on the services industry

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-cost-of-brexit-red-tape-tensions-and-lack-of-labour-qfqvw8kx9

    There is of course a human ambition cost as well - Brits can no longer live, travel (without visas) for a undefined period or work in 27 other countries and vice versa.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,303
    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    He’s predicting that life will continue after a dinosaur-level extinction event. Which, in truth, should not be controversial.
    It’s difficult to conceive of something that will take out every last human but not other mammal species.

    If you believe that the climate will self-correct in the absence of industrial society then this is likely to happen before all the humans are dead.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,509
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Good morning

    It does appear that pensions are shaping up to be one of the main issues at the next election with politicians of all sides seeing them as a bit of a piggy bank to dip into.

    In a similar vein to Rachel Reeves comments last week the Tony Blair institute wants to look at consolidation and dipping into the funds to ‘save the economy’.

    What could possibly go wrong !

    No mention of how SIPPs would be affected.

    https://www.ft.com/content/b8d1d792-6bdd-4338-957b-968459bf11fe

    paywall and I woudl not give those rogues a penny, pity.
    Hi Malc hope all is good with you up there.

    Lovely sunny day down in Durham.

    Shouldn’t be Paywalled. I was able to read it. Yes. I share your sentiment. It’s my pot. I really don’t want govts dipping into it. They don’t have a great track record on investment.
    Taz, weather has been brilliant up here. I will be real miffed if these barsteward try to get their hands on mine.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    In previous mass extinctions up to 95% of species perished. As the current one accelerates, there is no guarantee that we would be a surviving species.

    https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/what-is-mass-extinction-and-are-we-facing-a-sixth-one.html#:~:text=The Permian mass extinction, which,to evolve by this time.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    malcolmg said:

    ... tame lickspittle unionist toilet roll manufacturers...

    Do they not have Andrex in Scotland, Malc? I know the toilet roll aisles are divided into "coarse", "very coarse" and "sandpaper", but I thought even the proud Scots would soften their hearts and bottoms by allowing more than one brand.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    DougSeal said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    He’s predicting that life will continue after a dinosaur-level extinction event. Which, in truth, should not be controversial.
    I think people would notice such a thing. Albeit briefly.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,499

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    There were a number of creatures, including at least some dinosaurs, who survived that extinction event too.
    And unless we manage to take down every species of living thing when we go (NB This Is Not A Challenge), the survivors will continue to evolve to fill out all the empty spaces in the planet's ecology. It will just take a few tens of millions of years.

    The great thing about studying Earth Science is the bracing sense of perspective it gives you.
    If it were a challenge, we might just about be able to do it. James Hansen once calculated that if we were to burn all the extractable fossil fuels quickly enough, we could trigger a runaway greenhouse effect and turn the Earth into another Venus. Later analyses showed that this was unlikely, but not impossible given the margins for error. There's still a chance we could do it, especially if we get lucky with sudden methane emissions from undersea clathrates.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,509
    viewcode said:

    malcolmg said:

    ... tame lickspittle unionist toilet roll manufacturers...

    Do they not have Andrex in Scotland, Malc? I know the toilet roll aisles are divided into "coarse", "very coarse" and "sandpaper", but I thought even the proud Scots would soften their hearts and bottoms by allowing more than one brand.

    The Scotsman is for the diehard unionists , I prefer quilted Andrex myself.
  • northern_monkeynorthern_monkey Posts: 1,640
    US-China trade war would hurt Britain most, says leaked analysis

    An escalating subsidies war between the US and China is set to cause serious damage to the UK economy, according to leaked internal government analysis.
    The high-level government document suggests that the UK would need to adopt a more interventionist approach to the economy after President Biden announced a $369 billion package of green subsidies last year...

    British manufacturers have calculated that the government would have to spend more than £100 billion to match American subsidies on items such as semiconductor chips...

    The document, circulated among the prime minister, the chancellor and a small group of cabinet ministers, and seen by The Times, says the Inflation Reduction Act demonstrates US determination to defend its key industries against China, even if the protectionism comes “at the UK’s expense”. The analysis finds that the UK’s economy will suffer more than those of the US, EU and China in the event of a full-blown subsidies war.

    It says the UK cannot adopt “a wholesale activist industrial policy” like the US, EU or China because it is only a “mid-sized economy outside major trading blocs”. The UK does not have the same “fiscal capacity or economic strengths” as the world’s superpowers, the paper goes on to say.

    The government should therefore build up a “comparative advantage” in some parts of the economy “that can subsequently be leveraged” in a trade war rather than taking a blanket approach to subsidies, the paper argues, giving the example of artificial intelligence and quantum computing.

    The analysis cites the example of the UK semiconductor industry and finds that British businesses rely on China for 40 per cent of their silicon chips, which are used in almost all modern goods… but creating a semiconductor industry in the UK from scratch would require tens of billions of pounds of government support.


    https://apple.news/A_hW-vQAIToyyfWXW5fnqbg

    Proving rather expensive, all this lovely sovereignty, isn’t it?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987

    Comedy watching HY cling onto Banff and Buchan having voted leave.

    They wouldn't do now. Banff & Buchan is farming, fishing and energy workers. Two huge fishing ports, and at the time the fishermen believed that freedom from the CFP would benefit them.

    What do they think now? They have been screwed, and even local fishing leaders who had been vocal for leave are vocal for "we've been screwed".

    And let local lickspittle MP David Duguid sends constituency newsletters extolling the benefits of leave, and that he's with the fishing industry who are having a marvellous time out of the EU.

    You can only tell people the sky is green for so long. His time will come, and HY can cling to whatever salami sliced stat of the past he wants - his lot are widely and rightly recognised as lying corrupt shysters.

    Wrong, the latest Scotland only Yougov MRP has the Conservatives holding Banff and Buchan comfortably with 37% to 28% for the SNP and 20% for Labour

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/05/24/scotland-mrp-snp-could-fall-just-27-seats-if-elect
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    There were a number of creatures, including at least some dinosaurs, who survived that extinction event too.
    And unless we manage to take down every species of living thing when we go (NB This Is Not A Challenge), the survivors will continue to evolve to fill out all the empty spaces in the planet's ecology. It will just take a few tens of millions of years.

    The great thing about studying Earth Science is the bracing sense of perspective it gives you.
    If it were a challenge, we might just about be able to do it. James Hansen once calculated that if we were to burn all the extractable fossil fuels quickly enough, we could trigger a runaway greenhouse effect and turn the Earth into another Venus. Later analyses showed that this was unlikely, but not impossible given the margins for error. There's still a chance we could do it, especially if we get lucky with sudden methane emissions from undersea clathrates.
    So chances of human extinction in the next 100 years:

    AI Robo-apocalypse 1/2
    Catastrophic climate change evens
    Thermonuclear war 2/1
    Asteroid impact or similar 5/1

    Any other runners and riders?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited May 2023
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    There were a number of creatures, including at least some dinosaurs, who survived that extinction event too.
    And unless we manage to take down every species of living thing when we go (NB This Is Not A Challenge), the survivors will continue to evolve to fill out all the empty spaces in the planet's ecology. It will just take a few tens of millions of years.

    The great thing about studying Earth Science is the bracing sense of perspective it gives you.
    If it were a challenge, we might just about be able to do it. James Hansen once calculated that if we were to burn all the extractable fossil fuels quickly enough, we could trigger a runaway greenhouse effect and turn the Earth into another Venus. Later analyses showed that this was unlikely, but not impossible given the margins for error. There's still a chance we could do it, especially if we get lucky with sudden methane emissions from undersea clathrates.
    So chances of human extinction in the next 100 years:

    AI Robo-apocalypse 1/2
    Catastrophic climate change evens
    Thermonuclear war 2/1
    Asteroid impact or similar 5/1

    Any other runners and riders?
    Well evangelicals read Revelation and believe the apocalypse will be followed by the second coming of Christ so might flow a few plagues into the mix too or volcanic eruptions of supervolcanoes just to ensure they don't miss out! Not to forget another virus but more deadly with no vaccine.

    Of course most of us hope none of the above occur
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,499
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    There were a number of creatures, including at least some dinosaurs, who survived that extinction event too.
    And unless we manage to take down every species of living thing when we go (NB This Is Not A Challenge), the survivors will continue to evolve to fill out all the empty spaces in the planet's ecology. It will just take a few tens of millions of years.

    The great thing about studying Earth Science is the bracing sense of perspective it gives you.
    If it were a challenge, we might just about be able to do it. James Hansen once calculated that if we were to burn all the extractable fossil fuels quickly enough, we could trigger a runaway greenhouse effect and turn the Earth into another Venus. Later analyses showed that this was unlikely, but not impossible given the margins for error. There's still a chance we could do it, especially if we get lucky with sudden methane emissions from undersea clathrates.
    So chances of human extinction in the next 100 years:

    AI Robo-apocalypse 1/2
    Catastrophic climate change evens
    Thermonuclear war 2/1
    Asteroid impact or similar 5/1

    Any other runners and riders?
    In our interconnected and interdependent world, it would be very difficult for the survivors of a catastrophe to maintain anything like our current standard of living. Imagine, say, that the rest of the world were rendered uninhabitable but the UK were miraculously spared. How would we fare with no other countries to import from or export to, or to exchange ideas with?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,972
    HYUFD said:

    Comedy watching HY cling onto Banff and Buchan having voted leave.

    They wouldn't do now. Banff & Buchan is farming, fishing and energy workers. Two huge fishing ports, and at the time the fishermen believed that freedom from the CFP would benefit them.

    What do they think now? They have been screwed, and even local fishing leaders who had been vocal for leave are vocal for "we've been screwed".

    And let local lickspittle MP David Duguid sends constituency newsletters extolling the benefits of leave, and that he's with the fishing industry who are having a marvellous time out of the EU.

    You can only tell people the sky is green for so long. His time will come, and HY can cling to whatever salami sliced stat of the past he wants - his lot are widely and rightly recognised as lying corrupt shysters.

    Wrong, the latest Scotland only Yougov MRP has the Conservatives holding Banff and Buchan comfortably with 37% to 28% for the SNP and 20% for Labour

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/05/24/scotland-mrp-snp-could-fall-just-27-seats-if-elect
    It's not wrong that local fishing leaders are calling Duguid out.

    Incidentally, if you get utterly mullered in the election, and Duggie holds his seat, will you be proclaiming victory?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,721
    malcolmg said:

    viewcode said:

    malcolmg said:

    ... tame lickspittle unionist toilet roll manufacturers...

    Do they not have Andrex in Scotland, Malc? I know the toilet roll aisles are divided into "coarse", "very coarse" and "sandpaper", but I thought even the proud Scots would soften their hearts and bottoms by allowing more than one brand.

    The Scotsman is for the diehard unionists , I prefer quilted Andrex myself.
    Morning all, morning Malc. Thought you were on your way to Italy?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049

    US-China trade war would hurt Britain most, says leaked analysis

    An escalating subsidies war between the US and China is set to cause serious damage to the UK economy, according to leaked internal government analysis.
    The high-level government document suggests that the UK would need to adopt a more interventionist approach to the economy after President Biden announced a $369 billion package of green subsidies last year...

    British manufacturers have calculated that the government would have to spend more than £100 billion to match American subsidies on items such as semiconductor chips...

    The document, circulated among the prime minister, the chancellor and a small group of cabinet ministers, and seen by The Times, says the Inflation Reduction Act demonstrates US determination to defend its key industries against China, even if the protectionism comes “at the UK’s expense”. The analysis finds that the UK’s economy will suffer more than those of the US, EU and China in the event of a full-blown subsidies war.

    It says the UK cannot adopt “a wholesale activist industrial policy” like the US, EU or China because it is only a “mid-sized economy outside major trading blocs”. The UK does not have the same “fiscal capacity or economic strengths” as the world’s superpowers, the paper goes on to say.

    The government should therefore build up a “comparative advantage” in some parts of the economy “that can subsequently be leveraged” in a trade war rather than taking a blanket approach to subsidies, the paper argues, giving the example of artificial intelligence and quantum computing.

    The analysis cites the example of the UK semiconductor industry and finds that British businesses rely on China for 40 per cent of their silicon chips, which are used in almost all modern goods… but creating a semiconductor industry in the UK from scratch would require tens of billions of pounds of government support.


    https://apple.news/A_hW-vQAIToyyfWXW5fnqbg

    Proving rather expensive, all this lovely sovereignty, isn’t it?

    If only we’d done more to value domestic manufacturing during the Tory and new labour years rather than be happy to see it off shored to China and other LCCs.

    The EU is also very vulnerable.

    https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/eus-strategic-dependencies-unveiled
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,721

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    DeSantis accused of ‘catastrophic’ climate approach after campaign launch
    Republican ‘trying to out-Trump Trump’ on climate, expert says, as governor says he rejects the ‘politicization of the weather’
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/28/ron-desantis-climate-crisis-campaign
    ...DeSantis, the Republican Florida governor who announced his bid for the White House via a glitch-heavy Twitter stream on Wednesday, has previously dismissed concerns about global heating as “leftwing stuff” and he expanded upon this theme during a Fox News interview following his campaign launch...

    ...While governor, DeSantis has adopted bills banning Florida’s cities from adopting 100% clean energy goals and barred the state’s pension fund from making investment decisions that consider the climate crisis due to what he called a corporate attempt to “impose an ideological agenda on the American people”. He has also attacked the US military for being “woke” for warning about the national security risks posed by climate impacts...


    DeSantis makes Redwood look a genius, as he argues his policies aren't political.

    It is depressing. I am increasingly of the defeatist view that I should get out and see the world before we destroy it. With morons like De Santis, Trump, Redwood and similar across the world, the Anthropocene era mass extinction is just going to accelerate, until it swallows us too.

    The only consolation is that in geological time new species will repopulate the world, as wondrous as the ones that we are dooming now.
    Yeah. What moronic climate crisis deniers don't seem to realise is that tackling the crisis isn't about saving the planet, it's about saving human civilisation. Life on Earth will survive, even prosper, once this too clever by half race of apes kills themselves off.
    You’re predicting a dinosaur-level extinction event that only affects humans?
    There were a number of creatures, including at least some dinosaurs, who survived that extinction event too.
    And unless we manage to take down every species of living thing when we go (NB This Is Not A Challenge), the survivors will continue to evolve to fill out all the empty spaces in the planet's ecology. It will just take a few tens of millions of years.

    The great thing about studying Earth Science is the bracing sense of perspective it gives you.
    If it were a challenge, we might just about be able to do it. James Hansen once calculated that if we were to burn all the extractable fossil fuels quickly enough, we could trigger a runaway greenhouse effect and turn the Earth into another Venus. Later analyses showed that this was unlikely, but not impossible given the margins for error. There's still a chance we could do it, especially if we get lucky with sudden methane emissions from undersea clathrates.
    So chances of human extinction in the next 100 years:

    AI Robo-apocalypse 1/2
    Catastrophic climate change evens
    Thermonuclear war 2/1
    Asteroid impact or similar 5/1

    Any other runners and riders?
    In our interconnected and interdependent world, it would be very difficult for the survivors of a catastrophe to maintain anything like our current standard of living. Imagine, say, that the rest of the world were rendered uninhabitable but the UK were miraculously spared. How would we fare with no other countries to import from or export to, or to exchange ideas with?
    The number of attempted immigrants would send Braverman even more dooiaiiy than she is already!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987

    HYUFD said:

    Comedy watching HY cling onto Banff and Buchan having voted leave.

    They wouldn't do now. Banff & Buchan is farming, fishing and energy workers. Two huge fishing ports, and at the time the fishermen believed that freedom from the CFP would benefit them.

    What do they think now? They have been screwed, and even local fishing leaders who had been vocal for leave are vocal for "we've been screwed".

    And let local lickspittle MP David Duguid sends constituency newsletters extolling the benefits of leave, and that he's with the fishing industry who are having a marvellous time out of the EU.

    You can only tell people the sky is green for so long. His time will come, and HY can cling to whatever salami sliced stat of the past he wants - his lot are widely and rightly recognised as lying corrupt shysters.

    Wrong, the latest Scotland only Yougov MRP has the Conservatives holding Banff and Buchan comfortably with 37% to 28% for the SNP and 20% for Labour

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/05/24/scotland-mrp-snp-could-fall-just-27-seats-if-elect
    It's not wrong that local fishing leaders are calling Duguid out.

    Incidentally, if you get utterly mullered in the election, and Duggie holds his seat, will you be proclaiming victory?
    In Banff and Buchan certainly, the seat was SNP from 1987 to 2017 so if the Conservatives hold Banff and Buchan despite losing the general election UK wide next year it would be a huge boost to the local party there
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,443
    New thread.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,281
    malcolmg said:

    viewcode said:

    malcolmg said:

    ... tame lickspittle unionist toilet roll manufacturers...

    Do they not have Andrex in Scotland, Malc? I know the toilet roll aisles are divided into "coarse", "very coarse" and "sandpaper", but I thought even the proud Scots would soften their hearts and bottoms by allowing more than one brand.

    The Scotsman is for the diehard unionists , I prefer quilted Andrex myself.
    The Andrex is a duller read.
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