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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,014

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Not what he said....what he said is shops must take cash....not that they can only accept cash. Buses here takes cash it doesn't noticeably hold them up
    In a way, that's part of the catch, though.

    Each cash transaction does take a little bit of time. Even if each individual transaction doesn't have a noticeable effect, that all adds up. So in the old days, even provincial buses had conductors, and then there were all sorts of strange experiments with "drop coins in the box" systems to speed things up.

    Now, there's a definite downside to going for a smartcard-only model, London style. It does exclude some, and create worries for other. And that has to be taken on board. But reducing the use of cash does allow buses to go faster, which makes them more useful as transport and more efficient to operate. Not carrying cash around makes bus drivers safer as well.

    So the question is- how far should the concerns of those who want to stick with cash be allowed to make life worse for other people? We can argue about how big the up and downsides are in each direction, and where the line should be drawn. That's politics and democracy. But it isn't an absolute.

    How far should we go to exclude the bottom 10% of society is really what you are asking as it is them that are most unlikely to have access to non cash payments. Do we want a society where their only transport is shank's pony?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,424
    Pagan2 said:

    viewcode said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    For true anonymity, you need gold coins.
    Have to pay for the Continental somehow. High Table don't do cash.
    Technically they do as all transactions are in gold coins
    Damn. [Shoots self in head. Thud. Tyler Bates kicks in on the soundtrack... ]
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,948

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twi melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Er, no. I'm just legislating so people have a choice.

    If 90%+ of people want to use cards and 10% are excluded because they don't or can't then I see that as a bigger crime than occassionally waiting 2 seconds extra for some change in a bus so everyone can access the service.

    And I'm very far from convinced that scanning a bus pass or ticket is quicker anyway, based on what I've seen.
    How about barter. Would you like to bring that back. Maybe a duck for a bus ride?

    I still use a wallet, but if I have to change I will. Getting a cheque is a real pain and I never use cash (except for haircuts, yep I don't know why) because nobody else takes it now. If you want a beer in an Adams pub and offer cash, sorry but no beer. Not my decision, but theirs, so tough. You can boycott if you like, but no beer if you live in certain parts of Suffolk.

    As you often say - market forces.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157

    eek said:

    biggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov
    Overall, do you think that Suella Braverman is doing well or badly in her role as home secretary?

    All Britons
    Well: 19%
    Badly: 50%

    Con voters
    Well: 42%
    Badly: 33%

    I don’t believe 50% of Brits know who she is. I also don’t believe that 42% of Tory *voters* do.
    She's been on TV a lot, but I agree that some are responding more to "Do you think the Home Secretary (whoever it is) is doing a good job?" That's a question that rarely gets an enthusiastic answer for any incumbent. When was the last really popular HS?
    Surely the job of being Home Secretary by it's very nature is one where no-one could ever be popular?

    The best you could hope for is being regarded as competent enough to get into No 10 if the opportunity arises (see a certain T May).
    Legalise soft drugs, use the extra police capacity to start reforming the police and the court capacity to deal with migration backlog. You'd get some favourables from various unaligned groups, I think a good communicator doing that mix could become quite popular.
    1) Legalise the entire supply chain. The insanity of countries which legalise selling but not making/growing is truly special.
    2) set taxes low enough that the legal stuff is much cheaper than the illegal. America is currently fucking this one up, due to greedy politicians.
    3) laws on quality and purity for legal sake
    4) not just soft drugs.

    That will wipe out the drugs trade, bring in a pile of tax and reduce (maybe even eliminate) drug deaths.
    Worked for China just great in the 19th Century...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Who do you think is most likely to have no access to non cash payments methods....oh yes it would be the poor. So advocating non cash buses means the poor can't take buses...oh thats right they can drive the cars they cant afford either....you wonder why people claim left wing people like you are hypocrites? Look no further
    Financial inclusion should not rely on forcing buses to use outdated, filthy, risky and environmentally damaging bartering systems.

    For what it's worth (and you won't take any notice of this) only 1% of bus journeys were paid for in cash prior to TfL going cashless.

    99% of London bus users were not rich, many were poor.

    They all paid electronically.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,014

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
    No, he doesn't. As evidenced by three million public transport journeys made every day, cashlessly, in London.
    Londoners have alternatives that take cash such as the tube.....most people don't. My only choice here for example is bus or taxi....if I didnt have a means for cash payment on buses then my cost for going to the town centre would rise from 2£ to 10£. I repeat the people most likely to be unable to pay with cash are the poor. Do you want to exclude them from bus travel because that is how you are coming across
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
    I actually have paper notebook on my desk that I love for sketching ideas and creative work, but take a photo of anything useful (which is not much of it!). But, like you, I take verbal notes electronically because they are never lost.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,285
    Is the truth defamatory ?
    The Senator from Utah believes so.

    Make no mistake: this is defamation. The media gets away with it only because Justice Thomas is a public figure, and under a Supreme Court ruling from 1964, public figures have essentially no recourse when they’re defamed by the media.
    https://twitter.com/BasedMikeLee/status/1648531721040838657
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,730

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
    I actually have paper notebook on my desk that I love for sketching ideas and creative work, but take a photo of anything useful (which is not much of it!). But, like you, I take verbal notes electronically because they are never lost.
    You have more faith than I do in other people's computers.

    Unless you keep local backups in a fire safe, in which case, fair enough.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Can the SNP get any more fucked?


    "Good to have SNP leader Humza Yousaf as treasurer.
    While a director of the SIF charity it spent £220,000 and produced nothing. Well it did employ him and two of his cousins.
    It wound up a few weeks later."

    https://twitter.com/BrianSpanner1/status/1648743443995164702?s=20

    The entire edifice is rotten, and will fall
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,470
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Not what he said....what he said is shops must take cash....not that they can only accept cash. Buses here takes cash it doesn't noticeably hold them up
    In a way, that's part of the catch, though.

    Each cash transaction does take a little bit of time. Even if each individual transaction doesn't have a noticeable effect, that all adds up. So in the old days, even provincial buses had conductors, and then there were all sorts of strange experiments with "drop coins in the box" systems to speed things up.

    Now, there's a definite downside to going for a smartcard-only model, London style. It does exclude some, and create worries for other. And that has to be taken on board. But reducing the use of cash does allow buses to go faster, which makes them more useful as transport and more efficient to operate. Not carrying cash around makes bus drivers safer as well.

    So the question is- how far should the concerns of those who want to stick with cash be allowed to make life worse for other people? We can argue about how big the up and downsides are in each direction, and where the line should be drawn. That's politics and democracy. But it isn't an absolute.

    How far should we go to exclude the bottom 10% of society is really what you are asking as it is them that are most unlikely to have access to non cash payments. Do we want a society where their only transport is shank's pony?
    Two sorts of answer to that question.

    One is to say we must keep cash as an option. The other is to ask how we can make sure that everyone has access to a payment card they can use.

    Because if cashless buses are cheaper to run and provide a better service (and all the experience suggests that), everybody wins from that- especially people who have less money and no car.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157

    Junior doctors pushing for co-ordinated strikes with nurses

    Plans for industrial action discussed online as nursing union leader battles with internal fractures


    Within minutes of the nurses’ rejection of the government’s 5 per cent pay offer, doctors were expressing their desire to co-ordinate their strikes.

    A post on a junior doctor online forum read: “We can co-ordinate strikes and really disrupt, and we won’t have the, ‘Well the nurses accepted 5 per cent, do you think you’re better than nurses’ stick to be beaten with.”

    In another post raising the prospect of co-ordinating a strike, one junior doctor wrote: “They should be back to back rather than simultaneous.”

    Despite the nurses distancing themselves from a joint strike, Vivek Trivedi, co-chairman of the BMA, said “we haven’t ruled anything out”, adding that “of course our unions will be in close communication to discuss how we may go forward together.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/junior-doctors-pushing-for-co-ordinated-strikes-with-nurses-lrzhttrhm

    Pissing off the Juniors by giving them 2% when inflation is over 10% has really got them fired up.

    The Consultants are balloting on 15th May if there isn't progress for us, and GPs are heading the same way too.

    I won't vote to strike, just for work to contract and refuse to cover gaps in the rota, but would have to think hard about strike breaking if the vote goes for a strike.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,014

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Who do you think is most likely to have no access to non cash payments methods....oh yes it would be the poor. So advocating non cash buses means the poor can't take buses...oh thats right they can drive the cars they cant afford either....you wonder why people claim left wing people like you are hypocrites? Look no further
    Financial inclusion should not rely on forcing buses to use outdated, filthy, risky and environmentally damaging bartering systems.

    For what it's worth (and you won't take any notice of this) only 1% of bus journeys were paid for in cash prior to TfL going cashless.

    99% of London bus users were not rich, many were poor.

    They all paid electronically.
    That is in london

    Lefties are all up in arms because about 1 million dont have photo id and its excluding them from voting....there are 1.3 million without bank accounts in the uk. I would suggest excluding them from using cash for things like transport is a lot more life affecting than not being able to vote once every five years....strangely people like you complain about the former then advocate for the latter. By the way no one cares about the london figures because london has always been an anomaly and you aren't capturing the numbers that would take a bus but cant pay for it cashless and have to use more expensive transport adding to their poverty. Frankly your attitude sucks
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    Just saw this - apols if it's already been noted.

    Chinese researchers may have begun developing two Covid vaccines in November 2019, before the official start of the outbreak, a US senate report has claimed.

    The claims come in a 300-page document, which concluded that the pandemic most likely came from a lab leak and was the result of a "research-related incident" in Wuhan.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/18/coronavirus-covid-origin-wuhan-lab-us-senate-report/
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,067

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
    I actually have paper notebook on my desk that I love for sketching ideas and creative work, but take a photo of anything useful (which is not much of it!). But, like you, I take verbal notes electronically because they are never lost.
    That’s why SNP officials don’t take electronic notes.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,948

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Would you insist plumbers and builders take cards/BACS?
    It would cut down on fraud. The same goes for Casino's Albanian car washers. There is a reason why people insist on cash.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,516
    Leon said:

    Can the SNP get any more fucked?


    "Good to have SNP leader Humza Yousaf as treasurer.
    While a director of the SIF charity it spent £220,000 and produced nothing. Well it did employ him and two of his cousins.
    It wound up a few weeks later."

    https://twitter.com/BrianSpanner1/status/1648743443995164702?s=20

    The entire edifice is rotten, and will fall

    How many have made a fortune , Robertson and Progress Scotland another one that took in lots and produced nothing. The amount of people grifting is unbelievable

    some more runners and riders
    https://wingsoverscotland.com/and-so-far-yet-to-go/#more-137109
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,014
    kjh said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Would you insist plumbers and builders take cards/BACS?
    It would cut down on fraud. The same goes for Casino's Albanian car washers. There is a reason why people insist on cash.
    There are many reasons to insist on cash apart from fraud. I advertise something in the classifieds for example no way I would accept a non cash payment because it is easy enough for them to take the goods then cancel the payment
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    edited April 2023

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    Why? Would you also force buses to accept cash?
    Yes.

    I know Albanian carwashes and kebab takeaways that only take cash, and retailers that only take cards.

    I think both are wrong.
    An absolutely stupid move. Having the driver faff around with cash is a complete waste of time and energy, and is insecure.

    Only 1% of London bus fares were in cash just before they went cashless.


    There is a whole world outside London, you know.

    And if it's only 1% in Town then it's so negligible as to not matter. Just let them.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
    No, he doesn't. As evidenced by three million public transport journeys made every day, cashlessly, in London.
    London London London

    The sheer arrogance and ignorance of some of those living in our capital city never ceases to amaze me.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,067
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Can the SNP get any more fucked?


    "Good to have SNP leader Humza Yousaf as treasurer.
    While a director of the SIF charity it spent £220,000 and produced nothing. Well it did employ him and two of his cousins.
    It wound up a few weeks later."

    https://twitter.com/BrianSpanner1/status/1648743443995164702?s=20

    The entire edifice is rotten, and will fall

    How many have made a fortune , Robertson and Progress Scotland another one that took in lots and produced nothing. The amount of people grifting is unbelievable

    some more runners and riders
    https://wingsoverscotland.com/and-so-far-yet-to-go/#more-137109
    Wings’ next post is even better, unless you’re a Scottish “journalist”. https://wingsoverscotland.com/putting-our-foot-in-it/
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,752

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
    I actually have paper notebook on my desk that I love for sketching ideas and creative work, but take a photo of anything useful (which is not much of it!). But, like you, I take verbal notes electronically because they are never lost.
    On the train this morning the gentleman opposite me decided to do some work during his commute and opened his laptop and his paper notebook. Opened to a blank page, bar the single word BOXES! scribbled on it almost illegibly and underlined multiple times.

    I really wanted to ask him what the significance of the page was, but instead I satisfied myself with tracking the scenery outside.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
    I don't lose my notebooks. And you can always take screenshots and email yourself anything important.

    I tried an iPad once and hated it. I couldn't work out how to select all the pens and it took my longer to draw it, save it and find it later.

    Also, your mind makes a stronger mental memory link when you physically draw something - doing it with a pen quite literally helps you remember and recall it better.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    edited April 2023
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Can the SNP get any more fucked?


    "Good to have SNP leader Humza Yousaf as treasurer.
    While a director of the SIF charity it spent £220,000 and produced nothing. Well it did employ him and two of his cousins.
    It wound up a few weeks later."

    https://twitter.com/BrianSpanner1/status/1648743443995164702?s=20

    The entire edifice is rotten, and will fall

    How many have made a fortune , Robertson and Progress Scotland another one that took in lots and produced nothing. The amount of people grifting is unbelievable

    some more runners and riders
    https://wingsoverscotland.com/and-so-far-yet-to-go/#more-137109
    This magnificent melodrama ends with Humza Yousaf as the only person left in the SNP - treasurer, auditor, CEO, First Minister, minister for rural affairs, Chairman, Official Friend of Israel and Liz Truss, ambassador to France, minister for small scale Islamism, solitary activist, sole member, personal accountant, and overseer of himself, until he then gets arrested for 17,000 unpaid parking tickets
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
    I actually have paper notebook on my desk that I love for sketching ideas and creative work, but take a photo of anything useful (which is not much of it!). But, like you, I take verbal notes electronically because they are never lost.
    That’s why SNP officials don’t take electronic notes.
    Some senior Scottish civil servants might be quaking about the SNP implosion.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,470

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
    No, he doesn't. As evidenced by three million public transport journeys made every day, cashlessly, in London.
    London London London

    The sheer arrogance and ignorance of some of those living in our capital city never ceases to amaze me.
    And guess what- card payments for bus travel work outside London as well. Even in glorious backwaters like Gosport (amirite @Gardenwalker ?)

    https://www.firstbus.co.uk/portsmouth-fareham-gosport/tickets/eclipse-tap-tap

    The sheer arrogance, ignorance, fear and resentment some people have of That There London is pretty amazing as well.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,948
    Pagan2 said:

    kjh said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Would you insist plumbers and builders take cards/BACS?
    It would cut down on fraud. The same goes for Casino's Albanian car washers. There is a reason why people insist on cash.
    There are many reasons to insist on cash apart from fraud. I advertise something in the classifieds for example no way I would accept a non cash payment because it is easy enough for them to take the goods then cancel the payment
    ?

    You do a trf there and then on your phone. I do it all the time. Everyone is happy. Completely secure.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    kjh said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twi melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Er, no. I'm just legislating so people have a choice.

    If 90%+ of people want to use cards and 10% are excluded because they don't or can't then I see that as a bigger crime than occassionally waiting 2 seconds extra for some change in a bus so everyone can access the service.

    And I'm very far from convinced that scanning a bus pass or ticket is quicker anyway, based on what I've seen.
    How about barter. Would you like to bring that back. Maybe a duck for a bus ride?

    I still use a wallet, but if I have to change I will. Getting a cheque is a real pain and I never use cash (except for haircuts, yep I don't know why) because nobody else takes it now. If you want a beer in an Adams pub and offer cash, sorry but no beer. Not my decision, but theirs, so tough. You can boycott if you like, but no beer if you live in certain parts of Suffolk.

    As you often say - market forces.
    You're putting the decision in the hands of the producer, not the consumer. That's not the market forces that democratises people's choices because it constrains supply, not demand, and it certainly excludes some.

    I believe in legislating, where necessary, to protect consumers - maintaining currency as legal tender is one area I would do so.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,726
    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,034
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
    I actually have paper notebook on my desk that I love for sketching ideas and creative work, but take a photo of anything useful (which is not much of it!). But, like you, I take verbal notes electronically because they are never lost.
    That’s why SNP officials don’t take electronic notes.
    Some senior Scottish civil servants might be quaking about the SNP implosion.
    I've still not seen if the list of SPAD's has been appointed yet. I imagine quite a few of them would be thinking 'maybe give this a pass for now'...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157
    kjh said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Would you insist plumbers and builders take cards/BACS?
    It would cut down on fraud. The same goes for Casino's Albanian car washers. There is a reason why people insist on cash.
    I have been having some work done on the house, all of the tradespeople wanted paying by BACS.

    Busses use cards here too in the Leicestershire countryside.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    Can the SNP get any more fucked?


    "Good to have SNP leader Humza Yousaf as treasurer.
    While a director of the SIF charity it spent £220,000 and produced nothing. Well it did employ him and two of his cousins.
    It wound up a few weeks later."

    https://twitter.com/BrianSpanner1/status/1648743443995164702?s=20

    The entire edifice is rotten, and will fall

    How many have made a fortune , Robertson and Progress Scotland another one that took in lots and produced nothing. The amount of people grifting is unbelievable

    some more runners and riders
    https://wingsoverscotland.com/and-so-far-yet-to-go/#more-137109
    This magnificent melodrama ends with Humza Yousaf as the only person left in the SNP - treasurer, auditor, CEO, First Minister, minister for rural affairs, Chairman, Official Friend of Israel and Liz Truss, ambassador to France, minister for small scale Islamism, solitary activist, sole member, personal accountant, and overseer of himself, until he then gets arrested for 17,000 unpaid parking tickets
    Humza Yousap

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,470

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
    I don't lose my notebooks. And you can always take screenshots and email yourself anything important.

    I tried an iPad once and hated it. I couldn't work out how to select all the pens and it took my longer to draw it, save it and find it later.

    Also, your mind makes a stronger mental memory link when you physically draw something - doing it with a pen quite literally helps you remember and recall it better.
    One of the strange things I've taken from doing bits of geology in my degree and career- there's something you get from having to do hand notes and sketches that you lose electronically. Maybe it's becuase pencil and paper are a bit inefficient- it forces you to think about what is really key in the drawing or writing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    What is happening in Scotland is really off the dial. I know we expect politicians to be inept, greedy, perverse, etc

    But the Scots have been run by this really weird politically-inbred Mafia for a decade, and everyone just shrugged and accepted it - wheesht for indy - until suddenly they didn't. And here we are
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
    No, he doesn't. As evidenced by three million public transport journeys made every day, cashlessly, in London.
    London London London

    The sheer arrogance and ignorance of some of those living in our capital city never ceases to amaze me.
    And guess what- card payments for bus travel work outside London as well. Even in glorious backwaters like Gosport (amirite @Gardenwalker ?)

    https://www.firstbus.co.uk/portsmouth-fareham-gosport/tickets/eclipse-tap-tap

    The sheer arrogance, ignorance, fear and resentment some people have of That There London is pretty amazing as well.
    You can choose to use card payments for buses if you want to do so.

    I'm saying that cash should not be prohibited. There are many reasons why a bus might be your only realistic transport home when cash is the only medium accessible to you.

    Those who fail to understand or appreciate this are simply showing their tolerance and inclusion is only skin deep.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157
    edited April 2023
    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    The poverty of ambition in Scotland!

    In England a Minister wouldn't get out of bed for graft on that budget. They would want three more zeros on each number before bunging a contract to a mate.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
    No, he doesn't. As evidenced by three million public transport journeys made every day, cashlessly, in London.
    London London London

    The sheer arrogance and ignorance of some of those living in our capital city never ceases to amaze me.
    And guess what- card payments for bus travel work outside London as well. Even in glorious backwaters like Gosport (amirite @Gardenwalker ?)

    https://www.firstbus.co.uk/portsmouth-fareham-gosport/tickets/eclipse-tap-tap

    The sheer arrogance, ignorance, fear and resentment some people have of That There London is pretty amazing as well.
    You can choose to use card payments for buses if you want to do so.

    I'm saying that cash should not be prohibited. There are many reasons why a bus might be your only realistic transport home when cash is the only medium accessible to you.

    Those who fail to understand or appreciate this are simply showing their tolerance and inclusion is only skin deep.
    I have no problem with keeping cash an option, but no denying that it is well on its way to being a niche relic, like faxes.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,352

    Junior doctors pushing for co-ordinated strikes with nurses

    Plans for industrial action discussed online as nursing union leader battles with internal fractures


    Within minutes of the nurses’ rejection of the government’s 5 per cent pay offer, doctors were expressing their desire to co-ordinate their strikes.

    A post on a junior doctor online forum read: “We can co-ordinate strikes and really disrupt, and we won’t have the, ‘Well the nurses accepted 5 per cent, do you think you’re better than nurses’ stick to be beaten with.”

    In another post raising the prospect of co-ordinating a strike, one junior doctor wrote: “They should be back to back rather than simultaneous.”

    Despite the nurses distancing themselves from a joint strike, Vivek Trivedi, co-chairman of the BMA, said “we haven’t ruled anything out”, adding that “of course our unions will be in close communication to discuss how we may go forward together.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/junior-doctors-pushing-for-co-ordinated-strikes-with-nurses-lrzhttrhm

    We must pity the poor things. I mean, going into a profession where you are never properly scrutinised, where you can never be sacked and where you get one of the best pension arrangements in Christendom.

    It isn't about pay, and it is not about conditions. It is about left wing activism:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dr-emma-runswick-public-face-junior-doctors-strike-corbyn-backing-activists-5q88w5hhd
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    "Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!"
    Well, not the trolls. But everyone else
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    The poverty of ambition in Scotland!

    In England a Minister wouldn't get out of bed for graft on that budget. They would want three more zeros on each number before bunging a contract to a mate.

    Indeed. Small time corruption is always - in perception - worse. Because we can see and understand the numbers, and we can recognise what has happened, from our own lives. We understand "£100,000" - a billion might as well be a trillion

    And Scotland has, for a decade, been run by a small time quasi-Mafia using "indy" as a not-quite-attainable jewel to distract the voters even as the Scottish "indy" politicians and officials pilfered the public purse and fraudulently enriched themselves. And anyone who complained was told to "wheesht for indy" - shut the fuck up or you will damage the cause

    Grotesque
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157

    Junior doctors pushing for co-ordinated strikes with nurses

    Plans for industrial action discussed online as nursing union leader battles with internal fractures


    Within minutes of the nurses’ rejection of the government’s 5 per cent pay offer, doctors were expressing their desire to co-ordinate their strikes.

    A post on a junior doctor online forum read: “We can co-ordinate strikes and really disrupt, and we won’t have the, ‘Well the nurses accepted 5 per cent, do you think you’re better than nurses’ stick to be beaten with.”

    In another post raising the prospect of co-ordinating a strike, one junior doctor wrote: “They should be back to back rather than simultaneous.”

    Despite the nurses distancing themselves from a joint strike, Vivek Trivedi, co-chairman of the BMA, said “we haven’t ruled anything out”, adding that “of course our unions will be in close communication to discuss how we may go forward together.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/junior-doctors-pushing-for-co-ordinated-strikes-with-nurses-lrzhttrhm

    We must pity the poor things. I mean, going into a profession where you are never properly scrutinised, where you can never be sacked and where you get one of the best pension arrangements in Christendom.

    It isn't about pay, and it is not about conditions. It is about left wing activism:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dr-emma-runswick-public-face-junior-doctors-strike-corbyn-backing-activists-5q88w5hhd
    It is about pay and conditions. It is why 98% voted to strike on a 78% turnout, if anything the workforce are more militant than the leadership.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,352
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
  • Leon said:

    What is happening in Scotland is really off the dial. I know we expect politicians to be inept, greedy, perverse, etc

    But the Scots have been run by this really weird politically-inbred Mafia for a decade, and everyone just shrugged and accepted it - wheesht for indy - until suddenly they didn't. And here we are

    Haud yer wheesht. Not just wheesht.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    What is happening in Scotland is really off the dial. I know we expect politicians to be inept, greedy, perverse, etc

    But the Scots have been run by this really weird politically-inbred Mafia for a decade, and everyone just shrugged and accepted it - wheesht for indy - until suddenly they didn't. And here we are

    Haud yer wheesht. Not just wheesht.
    Why do I have to lecture Scotch people and Scotland-dwellers on their own stupid dialect?


    "Brian Monteith: We now know ‘Wheesht for indy’ meant much more than we ever realised"

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/brian-monteith-we-now-know-wheesht-for-indy-meant-much-more-than-we-ever-realised-4106173

    "‘Wheesht for indy’: The internal SNP row that led to Nicola Sturgeon’s transphobia video"


    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/1927966/snp-sturgeon-transphobia/
  • Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    Cash is being defended by three groups:
    1. Dodgy Traders who love cash as they don't pay tax on it. Have been quoted different amounts for work if I want an invoice for my company to pay vs cash. "Err, really?"
    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip
    3. People who want to withdraw lovely anonymous cash before buying something they don't want on a credit card statement.

    As I understand it the old legal tender arguments went out with Covid. Its now legal not to take cash. When we get our shop open later in he summer I'm only planning to take cash because there are some elderly people and small kids who may want to use it.

    For a business like ours cash is an absolute arse.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,470

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
    No, he doesn't. As evidenced by three million public transport journeys made every day, cashlessly, in London.
    London London London

    The sheer arrogance and ignorance of some of those living in our capital city never ceases to amaze me.
    And guess what- card payments for bus travel work outside London as well. Even in glorious backwaters like Gosport (amirite @Gardenwalker ?)

    https://www.firstbus.co.uk/portsmouth-fareham-gosport/tickets/eclipse-tap-tap

    The sheer arrogance, ignorance, fear and resentment some people have of That There London is pretty amazing as well.
    You can choose to use card payments for buses if you want to do so.

    I'm saying that cash should not be prohibited. There are many reasons why a bus might be your only realistic transport home when cash is the only medium accessible to you.

    Those who fail to understand or appreciate this are simply showing their tolerance and inclusion is only skin deep.
    I think it's fair to say that you are a more robust right-winger than I am.

    One of the reasons that I think of myself as a Conservative-in-exile, why I'm pretty narked that Starmer looks like a better option than anything the Conservatives can come up with right now, is because Conservatives (in my experience) better accept that everything is a tradeoff, you can only have one absolute. Also that sometimes you have to move on from a cherished past to allow for future growth. And that ultimately, everything costs, even if the payer is hidden.

    The tradeoff here is that requiring businesses to accept cash now makes those businesses less efficient. Makes sense really- carting bits of metal and plastic around is bound to cost more than moving 0s and 1s around the internet. If we're talking about buses, are we willing to impose extra costs on them to continue accepting cash, especially when a lot of bus services are on the brink of viability anyway. Especially outside big cities.

    Maybe we should- in which case, let's have an honest conversation with numbers about the potential costs and how other people should pay them. After all, that's what Maggie would do- wouldn't she?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,352
    Foxy said:

    Junior doctors pushing for co-ordinated strikes with nurses

    Plans for industrial action discussed online as nursing union leader battles with internal fractures


    Within minutes of the nurses’ rejection of the government’s 5 per cent pay offer, doctors were expressing their desire to co-ordinate their strikes.

    A post on a junior doctor online forum read: “We can co-ordinate strikes and really disrupt, and we won’t have the, ‘Well the nurses accepted 5 per cent, do you think you’re better than nurses’ stick to be beaten with.”

    In another post raising the prospect of co-ordinating a strike, one junior doctor wrote: “They should be back to back rather than simultaneous.”

    Despite the nurses distancing themselves from a joint strike, Vivek Trivedi, co-chairman of the BMA, said “we haven’t ruled anything out”, adding that “of course our unions will be in close communication to discuss how we may go forward together.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/junior-doctors-pushing-for-co-ordinated-strikes-with-nurses-lrzhttrhm

    We must pity the poor things. I mean, going into a profession where you are never properly scrutinised, where you can never be sacked and where you get one of the best pension arrangements in Christendom.

    It isn't about pay, and it is not about conditions. It is about left wing activism:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dr-emma-runswick-public-face-junior-doctors-strike-corbyn-backing-activists-5q88w5hhd
    It is about pay and conditions. It is why 98% voted to strike on a 78% turnout, if anything the workforce are more militant than the leadership.
    They need to stop being so fecking greedy then. Who else is getting a 20% pension contribution? Their salaries compare very favourably with other professions and are way ahead of those earned by non-medical NHS staff.

    The biggest problem is that the public are far too deferential to doctors. They do an important job, but so do many many others. They are well paid for what is the safest job in the universe, and for which there is a surfeit of young people wanting to do it. Many many people have lost their jobs in recent years and many tax payers could only dream of the perks of being a doctor. It is sheer arrogance. They need to get on with their jobs and stop moaning
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,156

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
    No, he doesn't. As evidenced by three million public transport journeys made every day, cashlessly, in London.
    London London London

    The sheer arrogance and ignorance of some of those living in our capital city never ceases to amaze me.
    No, Sir, when a man is tired of PB, he is tired of life; for there is in PB all that life can afford.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,691
    edited April 2023

    Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    Cash is being defended by three groups:
    1. Dodgy Traders who love cash as they don't pay tax on it. Have been quoted different amounts for work if I want an invoice for my company to pay vs cash. "Err, really?"
    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip
    3. People who want to withdraw lovely anonymous cash before buying something they don't want on a credit card statement.

    As I understand it the old legal tender arguments went out with Covid. Its now legal not to take cash. When we get our shop open later in he summer I'm only planning to take cash because there are some elderly people and small kids who may want to use it.

    For a business like ours cash is an absolute arse.
    You've yet to have your cash flow cut off by mercurial payment processors.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,352
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
    Lol. The man has the wisdom of Baldrick and probably similar bodily hygiene. His criticism of his erstwhile comrades is driven entirely by his disgust at their rejection of their one time Fuhrer; the object of his love and unquestioning fealty.
  • Fab news for JLR. Their engine range is so unreliable that a switch to electric will hopefully make them a sensible thing to buy again.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,184

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    Where do you keep your credit/debit cards?
    Smartphone case, Andy.
    Or the electronic wallet on the phone/watch.
    Oh, the fun you could have with a portable EMP device...
    Or indeed, one that zapped an entire nation.
    I'll leave that one to Malmesbury.

    I want one to point at annoying vehicles. Anything newer than about 1990 and the ECU is toast.

    And phone zombies.
    Casaba-Howitzer is what you want. Guaranteed to remove annoying vehicles.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,067

    Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    Cash is being defended by three groups:
    1. Dodgy Traders who love cash as they don't pay tax on it. Have been quoted different amounts for work if I want an invoice for my company to pay vs cash. "Err, really?"
    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip
    3. People who want to withdraw lovely anonymous cash before buying something they don't want on a credit card statement.

    As I understand it the old legal tender arguments went out with Covid. Its now legal not to take cash. When we get our shop open later in he summer I'm only planning to take cash because there are some elderly people and small kids who may want to use it.

    For a business like ours cash is an absolute arse.
    Especially as so many banks have closed. Remind us again what your house used to be?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,184
    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
    For work, I put everything in Confluence. Think an internal, company Wikipedia.

    My detailed notes on exactly how things work have got me jobs. I’ve encountered people at interview who remember my unusual surname as author of pages they found very helpful - after years of IT work in various banks, I’ve left a trail of web pages….
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,352
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
    Lol. The man has the wisdom of Baldrick and probably similar bodily hygiene. His criticism of his erstwhile comrades is driven entirely by his disgust at their rejection of their one time Fuhrer; the object of his love and unquestioning fealty.
    No it isn't. He's a wealthy man who could see the corruption, and the way the Nats were using indy as a bauble to distract the kids even as they stole their college funds

    I fundamentally disagree with @malcolmg on multiple grounds, not least, he wants to break up Britain, the country I love. I will happily fight him on this matter til my dying breath

    But on this occasion his many vivid opinions - on the terminal sleaze and grift in the SNP - have been proven entirely correct. That is worth noting. And I note it
    As Churchill once said "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.” Do you seriously think "Alba" are any better? The repository of the even more extreme Anglophobes and general scum bags?

    Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF87Nd5ghZQ

    These are Malcolm's types. Tossers
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,158

    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip

    Tipping is one area where I haven't quite figured out the right approach for non-cash. It's one thing at a restaurant where a tip is pretty much expected and the card-reader guides you through it, but on the other hand at a cafe/coffee shop where I would have left a tip (it being table service) now they just get you to wave your card at the reader and you've paid, no tip opportunity. I guess I just take those as "no tipping" places now, which is good in some ways.

    There is also the doubt if you tip by card about whether it actually gets to the serving staff...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,948

    kjh said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twi melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Er, no. I'm just legislating so people have a choice.

    If 90%+ of people want to use cards and 10% are excluded because they don't or can't then I see that as a bigger crime than occassionally waiting 2 seconds extra for some change in a bus so everyone can access the service.

    And I'm very far from convinced that scanning a bus pass or ticket is quicker anyway, based on what I've seen.
    How about barter. Would you like to bring that back. Maybe a duck for a bus ride?

    I still use a wallet, but if I have to change I will. Getting a cheque is a real pain and I never use cash (except for haircuts, yep I don't know why) because nobody else takes it now. If you want a beer in an Adams pub and offer cash, sorry but no beer. Not my decision, but theirs, so tough. You can boycott if you like, but no beer if you live in certain parts of Suffolk.

    As you often say - market forces.
    You're putting the decision in the hands of the producer, not the consumer. That's not the market forces that democratises people's choices because it constrains supply, not demand, and it certainly excludes some.

    I believe in legislating, where necessary, to protect consumers - maintaining currency as legal tender is one area I would do so.
    Well put @Casino_Royale, but eventually things move on. We don't barter anymore and I assume you don't want to legislate to enforce that as an option. Soon cash is going the same way as well as cheques. It is a fact of life. We need to ensure those who are currently excluded aren't.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,184
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    biggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov
    Overall, do you think that Suella Braverman is doing well or badly in her role as home secretary?

    All Britons
    Well: 19%
    Badly: 50%

    Con voters
    Well: 42%
    Badly: 33%

    I don’t believe 50% of Brits know who she is. I also don’t believe that 42% of Tory *voters* do.
    She's been on TV a lot, but I agree that some are responding more to "Do you think the Home Secretary (whoever it is) is doing a good job?" That's a question that rarely gets an enthusiastic answer for any incumbent. When was the last really popular HS?
    Surely the job of being Home Secretary by it's very nature is one where no-one could ever be popular?

    The best you could hope for is being regarded as competent enough to get into No 10 if the opportunity arises (see a certain T May).
    Legalise soft drugs, use the extra police capacity to start reforming the police and the court capacity to deal with migration backlog. You'd get some favourables from various unaligned groups, I think a good communicator doing that mix could become quite popular.
    1) Legalise the entire supply chain. The insanity of countries which legalise selling but not making/growing is truly special.
    2) set taxes low enough that the legal stuff is much cheaper than the illegal. America is currently fucking this one up, due to greedy politicians.
    3) laws on quality and purity for legal sake
    4) not just soft drugs.

    That will wipe out the drugs trade, bring in a pile of tax and reduce (maybe even eliminate) drug deaths.
    Worked for China just great in the 19th Century...
    They were not allowed to control the trade. By men with guns. Lots of men, lots of guns.

    The situation we have at the moment is that drug prices have fallen, if anything. Which strongly suggests supply is outstripping demand.

    Various studies have been done and there is little to no evidence that legalisation increases demand.
  • Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    Cash is being defended by three groups:
    1. Dodgy Traders who love cash as they don't pay tax on it. Have been quoted different amounts for work if I want an invoice for my company to pay vs cash. "Err, really?"
    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip
    3. People who want to withdraw lovely anonymous cash before buying something they don't want on a credit card statement.

    As I understand it the old legal tender arguments went out with Covid. Its now legal not to take cash. When we get our shop open later in he summer I'm only planning to take cash because there are some elderly people and small kids who may want to use it.

    For a business like ours cash is an absolute arse.
    Especially as so many banks have closed. Remind us again what your house used to be?
    Even if I wanted to reopen the former bank as a bank, the deeds do not allow me to do so...
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,813
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
    Agree with this. Each time Malc has said something incendiary about Sturgeon/SNP I've thought: "Nah. Can't be. Just old Malc doing his stuff." And then, blimey, he was right. Respect.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
    Lol. The man has the wisdom of Baldrick and probably similar bodily hygiene. His criticism of his erstwhile comrades is driven entirely by his disgust at their rejection of their one time Fuhrer; the object of his love and unquestioning fealty.
    No it isn't. He's a wealthy man who could see the corruption, and the way the Nats were using indy as a bauble to distract the kids even as they stole their college funds

    I fundamentally disagree with @malcolmg on multiple grounds, not least, he wants to break up Britain, the country I love. I will happily fight him on this matter til my dying breath

    But on this occasion his many vivid opinions - on the terminal sleaze and grift in the SNP - have been proven entirely correct. That is worth noting. And I note it
    As Churchill once said "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.” Do you seriously think "Alba" are any better? The repository of the even more extreme Anglophobes and general scum bags?

    Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF87Nd5ghZQ

    These are Malcolm's types. Tossers
    Sure, but you'd do yourself a PB favour if you just accepted the fact: malcolm got this one right

    This site lives and dies by political predictions. @malcolmg predicted a terrible come-uppance for a corrupt SNP, and here we are. You can still hate the dude and yet honour the prediction

    Nor was it a stopped clock situation. @malcolmg was quite specific in his allegations of sleaze in particular places, and, again, it seems he was right, on the details

    Just give him a surly clap on the back, then go back to reviling him
  • pm215 said:

    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip

    Tipping is one area where I haven't quite figured out the right approach for non-cash. It's one thing at a restaurant where a tip is pretty much expected and the card-reader guides you through it, but on the other hand at a cafe/coffee shop where I would have left a tip (it being table service) now they just get you to wave your card at the reader and you've paid, no tip opportunity. I guess I just take those as "no tipping" places now, which is good in some ways.

    There is also the doubt if you tip by card about whether it actually gets to the serving staff...
    I have never understood tipping, perhaps because there is no order to it. Restaurants etc that add on a service charge are fine (as long as the service provided warrants it). The worst is when they hand over the card reader and it asks if I want to add a gratuity. That is always a no.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,040
    Two more places where cash is still appropriate:

    In the US, one still sees, from time to time, kids learning about business, by selling lemonade on hot days, from their yards.

    Although this is rarer, one still occasionally sees -- in peaceful rural areas -- a stand with vegetables and fruit, and a jar in which to put your payments, with no one watching the stand.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
    Lol. The man has the wisdom of Baldrick and probably similar bodily hygiene. His criticism of his erstwhile comrades is driven entirely by his disgust at their rejection of their one time Fuhrer; the object of his love and unquestioning fealty.
    No it isn't. He's a wealthy man who could see the corruption, and the way the Nats were using indy as a bauble to distract the kids even as they stole their college funds

    I fundamentally disagree with @malcolmg on multiple grounds, not least, he wants to break up Britain, the country I love. I will happily fight him on this matter til my dying breath

    But on this occasion his many vivid opinions - on the terminal sleaze and grift in the SNP - have been proven entirely correct. That is worth noting. And I note it
    As Churchill once said "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.” Do you seriously think "Alba" are any better? The repository of the even more extreme Anglophobes and general scum bags?

    Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF87Nd5ghZQ

    These are Malcolm's types. Tossers
    Sure, but you'd do yourself a PB favour if you just accepted the fact: malcolm got this one right

    This site lives and dies by political predictions. @malcolmg predicted a terrible come-uppance for a corrupt SNP, and here we are. You can still hate the dude and yet honour the prediction

    Nor was it a stopped clock situation. @malcolmg was quite specific in his allegations of sleaze in particular places, and, again, it seems he was right, on the details

    Just give him a surly clap on the back, then go back to reviling him
    There is a difference between wanting Scottish Independence and the SNP. When southern posters have tried to pretend that Scottish Green MSPs elected on an explicit mandate for independence don't count, I have always corrected them.

    So absolutely Malcolm was right. I'm not sure his preferred party will benefit much, but if they do then it just demonstrates that no one party is the owner of the idea of independence.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,570

    Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    Cash is being defended by three groups:
    1. Dodgy Traders who love cash as they don't pay tax on it. Have been quoted different amounts for work if I want an invoice for my company to pay vs cash. "Err, really?"
    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip
    3. People who want to withdraw lovely anonymous cash before buying something they don't want on a credit card statement.

    As I understand it the old legal tender arguments went out with Covid. Its now legal not to take cash. When we get our shop open later in he summer I'm only planning to take cash because there are some elderly people and small kids who may want to use it.

    For a business like ours cash is an absolute arse.
    I used to resist paying by card as I believed that shops had to pay 3% or something to the card providers - that was why some shops refused to accept them, no? - and I wanted to support the shop, not Mastercard. I've more or less surrendered to the card now, but I still wonder - what is the Mastercard/Visa rake?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    I typed “who is HYUFD” into ChatGPT and got:

    “HYUFD is a commenter on the website politicalbetting.com, known for expressing conservative and right-leaning views on a variety of political topics. The name "HYUFD" is an acronym for "Haven't You Upgraded From Democrat?", indicating the commenter's opposition to the Democratic Party in the United States. However, it's important to note that as an AI language model, I do not have access to specific user information or opinions beyond what is publicly available on the website.”
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,158

    pm215 said:

    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip

    Tipping is one area where I haven't quite figured out the right approach for non-cash. It's one thing at a restaurant where a tip is pretty much expected and the card-reader guides you through it, but on the other hand at a cafe/coffee shop where I would have left a tip (it being table service) now they just get you to wave your card at the reader and you've paid, no tip opportunity. I guess I just take those as "no tipping" places now, which is good in some ways.

    There is also the doubt if you tip by card about whether it actually gets to the serving staff...
    I have never understood tipping, perhaps because there is no order to it. Restaurants etc that add on a service charge are fine (as long as the service provided warrants it). The worst is when they hand over the card reader and it asks if I want to add a gratuity. That is always a no.
    I'm fine with the 'reader asks' mode -- if you're going to do cashless tipping that seems like about the only way to do it. In my ideal world we'd work like Japan where nobody tips or expects tips and service staff wages are set accordingly. But alas we don't.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,801

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    Where do you keep your credit/debit cards?
    Smartphone case, Andy.
    Or the electronic wallet on the phone/watch.
    Yep. Binned the wallet a couple of years ago and never looked back. Liberating, and trousers fit a lot better.

    Pay with my watch these days but of course you can use your phone.

    Wallets are even more pointless than cash itself...

    If you are that worried about a global banking system collapse, or are going to @ydoethur 's village – the only place in Christendom that still refuses electronic payments – stick a twenty in your sky.
    I don't live in a village. It's a town of a hundred thousand people.

    It just doesn't happen to fit neatly with your narrow and as a result wildly inaccurate metropolitan worldview.

    It is genuinely bizarre incidentally that you're so obsessed with electronic payments that you are blaming somebody for carrying cash before smartphones were even invented.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
    Lol. The man has the wisdom of Baldrick and probably similar bodily hygiene. His criticism of his erstwhile comrades is driven entirely by his disgust at their rejection of their one time Fuhrer; the object of his love and unquestioning fealty.
    No it isn't. He's a wealthy man who could see the corruption, and the way the Nats were using indy as a bauble to distract the kids even as they stole their college funds

    I fundamentally disagree with @malcolmg on multiple grounds, not least, he wants to break up Britain, the country I love. I will happily fight him on this matter til my dying breath

    But on this occasion his many vivid opinions - on the terminal sleaze and grift in the SNP - have been proven entirely correct. That is worth noting. And I note it
    As Churchill once said "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.” Do you seriously think "Alba" are any better? The repository of the even more extreme Anglophobes and general scum bags?

    Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF87Nd5ghZQ

    These are Malcolm's types. Tossers
    Sure, but you'd do yourself a PB favour if you just accepted the fact: malcolm got this one right

    This site lives and dies by political predictions. @malcolmg predicted a terrible come-uppance for a corrupt SNP, and here we are. You can still hate the dude and yet honour the prediction

    Nor was it a stopped clock situation. @malcolmg was quite specific in his allegations of sleaze in particular places, and, again, it seems he was right, on the details

    Just give him a surly clap on the back, then go back to reviling him
    There is a difference between wanting Scottish Independence and the SNP. When southern posters have tried to pretend that Scottish Green MSPs elected on an explicit mandate for independence don't count, I have always corrected them.

    So absolutely Malcolm was right. I'm not sure his preferred party will benefit much, but if they do then it just demonstrates that no one party is the owner of the idea of independence.
    Indeed so. It seems to me that Sindy, as a movement, needs a complete clean out of the older generation, and anyone associated with them. Sturgeon as much as Salmond. They have all gotten curiously fat off the project, without ever delivering

    A young, clean living, uncorrupted, almost-too-honest leader like Kate Forbes could seriously fight a 2nd referendum in the 2030s, and the Union needs to prepare counter arguments for that moment, which will be testing

    But for now, for the good of Scotland more than Britain, Scottish voters need to kick these grifting Nat shits into the gutter. Same goes for London Tories. Take the medicine of Opposition, and STFU
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157
    edited April 2023

    Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    Cash is being defended by three groups:
    1. Dodgy Traders who love cash as they don't pay tax on it. Have been quoted different amounts for work if I want an invoice for my company to pay vs cash. "Err, really?"
    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip
    3. People who want to withdraw lovely anonymous cash before buying something they don't want on a credit card statement.

    As I understand it the old legal tender arguments went out with Covid. Its now legal not to take cash. When we get our shop open later in he summer I'm only planning to take cash because there are some elderly people and small kids who may want to use it.

    For a business like ours cash is an absolute arse.
    I used to resist paying by card as I believed that shops had to pay 3% or something to the card providers - that was why some shops refused to accept them, no? - and I wanted to support the shop, not Mastercard. I've more or less surrendered to the card now, but I still wonder - what is the Mastercard/Visa rake?
    Sure, but there is a cost to handling, storing and managing cash in a shop, not least with light fingered staff.

    At one time the cost of cards probably exceeded cash, but we may well have passed the tipping point where cash is more expensive for the business.
  • DougSeal said:

    I typed “who is HYUFD” into ChatGPT and got:

    “HYUFD is a commenter on the website politicalbetting.com, known for expressing conservative and right-leaning views on a variety of political topics. The name "HYUFD" is an acronym for "Haven't You Upgraded From Democrat?", indicating the commenter's opposition to the Democratic Party in the United States. However, it's important to note that as an AI language model, I do not have access to specific user information or opinions beyond what is publicly available on the website.”

    I once asked HUYFD where he got the name from and he said he just typed five letters at random when asked for a username.

    I believe him, rather than ChatGPT.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,040
    NickPalmer said: "I used to resist paying by card as I believed that shops had to pay 3% or something to the card providers - that was why some shops refused to accept them, no? - and I wanted to support the shop, not Mastercard. I've more or less surrendered to the card now, but I still wonder - what is the Mastercard/Visa rake?"

    It's enough so they can bribe me to use their credit cards. (I assume that the merchants increase their prices to cover what they have to pay to the middle men, and more. I have been wondering recently whether merchants have to agree not to have cash-only prices, in their agreements with Mastercard, Visa, and the rest.)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157
    pm215 said:

    pm215 said:

    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip

    Tipping is one area where I haven't quite figured out the right approach for non-cash. It's one thing at a restaurant where a tip is pretty much expected and the card-reader guides you through it, but on the other hand at a cafe/coffee shop where I would have left a tip (it being table service) now they just get you to wave your card at the reader and you've paid, no tip opportunity. I guess I just take those as "no tipping" places now, which is good in some ways.

    There is also the doubt if you tip by card about whether it actually gets to the serving staff...
    I have never understood tipping, perhaps because there is no order to it. Restaurants etc that add on a service charge are fine (as long as the service provided warrants it). The worst is when they hand over the card reader and it asks if I want to add a gratuity. That is always a no.
    I'm fine with the 'reader asks' mode -- if you're going to do cashless tipping that seems like about the only way to do it. In my ideal world we'd work like Japan where nobody tips or expects tips and service staff wages are set accordingly. But alas we don't.
    I agree.

    Not carrying cash has made it difficult to give money to homeless people too.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,158
    Foxy said:


    I used to resist paying by card as I believed that shops had to pay 3% or something to the card providers - that was why some shops refused to accept them, no? - and I wanted to support the shop, not Mastercard. I've more or less surrendered to the card now, but I still wonder - what is the Mastercard/Visa rake?

    Sure, but there is a cost to handling, storing and managing cash in a shop, not least with light fingered staff.

    At one time the cost of cards probably exceeded cash, but we may well have passed the tipping point where cash is more expensive for the business.
    It probably depends also on the business's typical transaction size -- my local greengrocer has a "minimum card spend 5 quid" policy.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    Leon said:

    A young, clean living, uncorrupted, almost-too-honest leader like Kate Forbes could seriously fight a 2nd referendum in the 2030s, and the Union needs to prepare counter arguments for that moment, which will be testing

    The clean living, uncorrupted leader who sat in cabinet with Sturgeon for years and didn't ask any questions about the organization's finances?

    Bring it on...
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,218
    kjh said:

    kjh said:

    Pagan2 said:

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    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

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    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twi melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Er, no. I'm just legislating so people have a choice.

    If 90%+ of people want to use cards and 10% are excluded because they don't or can't then I see that as a bigger crime than occassionally waiting 2 seconds extra for some change in a bus so everyone can access the service.

    And I'm very far from convinced that scanning a bus pass or ticket is quicker anyway, based on what I've seen.
    How about barter. Would you like to bring that back. Maybe a duck for a bus ride?

    I still use a wallet, but if I have to change I will. Getting a cheque is a real pain and I never use cash (except for haircuts, yep I don't know why) because nobody else takes it now. If you want a beer in an Adams pub and offer cash, sorry but no beer. Not my decision, but theirs, so tough. You can boycott if you like, but no beer if you live in certain parts of Suffolk.

    As you often say - market forces.
    You're putting the decision in the hands of the producer, not the consumer. That's not the market forces that democratises people's choices because it constrains supply, not demand, and it certainly excludes some.

    I believe in legislating, where necessary, to protect consumers - maintaining currency as legal tender is one area I would do so.
    Well put @Casino_Royale, but eventually things move on. We don't barter anymore and I assume you don't want to legislate to enforce that as an option. Soon cash is going the same way as well as cheques. It is a fact of life. We need to ensure those who are currently excluded aren't.
    As so often not only in PB but in British life, people are debating over something as if it's a novelty that has only ever been relevant here, and no other countries exist.

    Since the 1990s at least (the earliest I can recall is 1996 in Italy) continental European buses have generally not taken cash. Because you buy the ticket in a vending machine or a local booth outside the bus. You then frank the ticket when you get on.

    We have a pretty unusual system in the UK where buses take payment onboard. That slows down the buses. Isn't the cash/card argument completely moot if people are able to buy a ticket (or Oyster card) using cash at the local post office or corner shop? That's the international norm.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,218
    pm215 said:

    pm215 said:

    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip

    Tipping is one area where I haven't quite figured out the right approach for non-cash. It's one thing at a restaurant where a tip is pretty much expected and the card-reader guides you through it, but on the other hand at a cafe/coffee shop where I would have left a tip (it being table service) now they just get you to wave your card at the reader and you've paid, no tip opportunity. I guess I just take those as "no tipping" places now, which is good in some ways.

    There is also the doubt if you tip by card about whether it actually gets to the serving staff...
    I have never understood tipping, perhaps because there is no order to it. Restaurants etc that add on a service charge are fine (as long as the service provided warrants it). The worst is when they hand over the card reader and it asks if I want to add a gratuity. That is always a no.
    I'm fine with the 'reader asks' mode -- if you're going to do cashless tipping that seems like about the only way to do it. In my ideal world we'd work like Japan where nobody tips or expects tips and service staff wages are set accordingly. But alas we don't.
    Or the vast majority of Europe. I think the UK is moving in that direction anyway.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    I typed “who is HYUFD” into ChatGPT and got:

    “HYUFD is a commenter on the website politicalbetting.com, known for expressing conservative and right-leaning views on a variety of political topics. The name "HYUFD" is an acronym for "Haven't You Upgraded From Democrat?", indicating the commenter's opposition to the Democratic Party in the United States. However, it's important to note that as an AI language model, I do not have access to specific user information or opinions beyond what is publicly available on the website.”

    I once asked HUYFD where he got the name from and he said he just typed five letters at random when asked for a username.

    I believe him, rather than ChatGPT.
    I was reading the comments on Kent Online earlier (I know, I know) and someone had entered their mobile number as a username. Which I thought summed up why some people should be allowed to vote.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,218
    Foxy said:

    Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    Cash is being defended by three groups:
    1. Dodgy Traders who love cash as they don't pay tax on it. Have been quoted different amounts for work if I want an invoice for my company to pay vs cash. "Err, really?"
    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip
    3. People who want to withdraw lovely anonymous cash before buying something they don't want on a credit card statement.

    As I understand it the old legal tender arguments went out with Covid. Its now legal not to take cash. When we get our shop open later in he summer I'm only planning to take cash because there are some elderly people and small kids who may want to use it.

    For a business like ours cash is an absolute arse.
    I used to resist paying by card as I believed that shops had to pay 3% or something to the card providers - that was why some shops refused to accept them, no? - and I wanted to support the shop, not Mastercard. I've more or less surrendered to the card now, but I still wonder - what is the Mastercard/Visa rake?
    Sure, but there is a cost to handling, storing and managing cash in a shop, not least with light fingered staff.

    At one time the cost of cards probably exceeded cash, but we may well have passed the tipping point where cash is more expensive for the business.
    My wife sells her stuff (art) mainly using an iZettle card reader. The take is pretty small, 1.5% I think with very little up-front payment for the tech. It massively increases the opportunities to sell.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,801
    edited April 2023
    I would ask who set the anti-cash loon off.

    But it seems he set himself off, by blaming somebody for not using things that hadn't been invented to pay for a bus fare that didn't exist at the time.

    To misquote Derby's famously acid putdown of General Peel, 'He is very reasonable on every subject until somebody mentions 'cash,' whereat his eye lights up with insanity.'
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,158

    NickPalmer said: "I used to resist paying by card as I believed that shops had to pay 3% or something to the card providers - that was why some shops refused to accept them, no? - and I wanted to support the shop, not Mastercard. I've more or less surrendered to the card now, but I still wonder - what is the Mastercard/Visa rake?"

    It's enough so they can bribe me to use their credit cards.

    AIUI the amount is more in the US -- regulations on this side of the pond limit it, and the generosity of credit card incentive/cashback/etc is correspondingly less. (The exception is Amex, which is why it is (was?) not uncommon for shops here not to take it.)
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,813

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
    Lol. The man has the wisdom of Baldrick and probably similar bodily hygiene. His criticism of his erstwhile comrades is driven entirely by his disgust at their rejection of their one time Fuhrer; the object of his love and unquestioning fealty.
    No it isn't. He's a wealthy man who could see the corruption, and the way the Nats were using indy as a bauble to distract the kids even as they stole their college funds

    I fundamentally disagree with @malcolmg on multiple grounds, not least, he wants to break up Britain, the country I love. I will happily fight him on this matter til my dying breath

    But on this occasion his many vivid opinions - on the terminal sleaze and grift in the SNP - have been proven entirely correct. That is worth noting. And I note it
    As Churchill once said "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.” Do you seriously think "Alba" are any better? The repository of the even more extreme Anglophobes and general scum bags?

    Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF87Nd5ghZQ

    These are Malcolm's types. Tossers
    Sure, but you'd do yourself a PB favour if you just accepted the fact: malcolm got this one right

    This site lives and dies by political predictions. @malcolmg predicted a terrible come-uppance for a corrupt SNP, and here we are. You can still hate the dude and yet honour the prediction

    Nor was it a stopped clock situation. @malcolmg was quite specific in his allegations of sleaze in particular places, and, again, it seems he was right, on the details

    Just give him a surly clap on the back, then go back to reviling him
    There is a difference between wanting Scottish Independence and the SNP. When southern posters have tried to pretend that Scottish Green MSPs elected on an explicit mandate for independence don't count, I have always corrected them.

    So absolutely Malcolm was right. I'm not sure his preferred party will benefit much, but if they do then it just demonstrates that no one party is the owner of the idea of independence.
    It's worth noting, vis-a-vis the Scottish Greens, how a bunch of otherwise unemployables have filched a respectable political brand, and used it to propel themselves into well-paid jobs in the Scottish Parliament. And, unbelievably, in the case of Patrick Harvie and the the unspeakably awful Lorna Slater, into ministerial positions, presumably with all the perquisites that go with it.

    Humza, needless to say, was the candidate who was all for continuing the coalition with these wasters. Presumably for purposes of advantageous comparison. There can be no other reason, surely.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,813
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    A young, clean living, uncorrupted, almost-too-honest leader like Kate Forbes could seriously fight a 2nd referendum in the 2030s, and the Union needs to prepare counter arguments for that moment, which will be testing

    The clean living, uncorrupted leader who sat in cabinet with Sturgeon for years and didn't ask any questions about the organization's finances?

    Bring it on...
    She was Cabinet Secretary for FINANCE!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,801

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    A young, clean living, uncorrupted, almost-too-honest leader like Kate Forbes could seriously fight a 2nd referendum in the 2030s, and the Union needs to prepare counter arguments for that moment, which will be testing

    The clean living, uncorrupted leader who sat in cabinet with Sturgeon for years and didn't ask any questions about the organization's finances?

    Bring it on...
    She was Cabinet Secretary for FINANCE!
    But that's missing the point. Does she pay by cash, card or smartphone?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
    No, he doesn't. As evidenced by three million public transport journeys made every day, cashlessly, in London.
    London London London

    The sheer arrogance and ignorance of some of those living in our capital city never ceases to amaze me.
    Stop getting your knickers in a twist. I merely asked you whether you would insist buses took cash. You said you would. I then gave an example from one city (London) which would fall under your ill-advised blanket ban on cashless trade. There are other cities that also have cashless traders you know!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,965
    edited April 2023
    I'm still finding it bizarre that ChatGPT can apparently write PhD theses, but at the same time believes the Conservatives won St Albans at the last general election and that therefore Anne Main is still the MP for the constituency.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,285
    Do they have to consult Harlan Crow first ?

    U.S. Surpeme Court extends its pause on litigation over abortion pill to Friday April 21 at 11:59 pm
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  • Leon said:

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    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
    Lol. The man has the wisdom of Baldrick and probably similar bodily hygiene. His criticism of his erstwhile comrades is driven entirely by his disgust at their rejection of their one time Fuhrer; the object of his love and unquestioning fealty.
    No it isn't. He's a wealthy man who could see the corruption, and the way the Nats were using indy as a bauble to distract the kids even as they stole their college funds

    I fundamentally disagree with @malcolmg on multiple grounds, not least, he wants to break up Britain, the country I love. I will happily fight him on this matter til my dying breath

    But on this occasion his many vivid opinions - on the terminal sleaze and grift in the SNP - have been proven entirely correct. That is worth noting. And I note it
    As Churchill once said "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.” Do you seriously think "Alba" are any better? The repository of the even more extreme Anglophobes and general scum bags?

    Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF87Nd5ghZQ

    These are Malcolm's types. Tossers
    Sure, but you'd do yourself a PB favour if you just accepted the fact: malcolm got this one right

    This site lives and dies by political predictions. @malcolmg predicted a terrible come-uppance for a corrupt SNP, and here we are. You can still hate the dude and yet honour the prediction

    Nor was it a stopped clock situation. @malcolmg was quite specific in his allegations of sleaze in particular places, and, again, it seems he was right, on the details

    Just give him a surly clap on the back, then go back to reviling him
    There is a difference between wanting Scottish Independence and the SNP. When southern posters have tried to pretend that Scottish Green MSPs elected on an explicit mandate for independence don't count, I have always corrected them.

    So absolutely Malcolm was right. I'm not sure his preferred party will benefit much, but if they do then it just demonstrates that no one party is the owner of the idea of independence.
    Indeed so. It seems to me that Sindy, as a movement, needs a complete clean out of the older generation, and anyone associated with them. Sturgeon as much as Salmond. They have all gotten curiously fat off the project, without ever delivering

    A young, clean living, uncorrupted, almost-too-honest leader like Kate Forbes could seriously fight a 2nd referendum in the 2030s, and the Union needs to prepare counter arguments for that moment, which will be testing

    But for now, for the good of Scotland more than Britain, Scottish voters need to kick these grifting Nat shits into the gutter. Same goes for London Tories. Take the medicine of Opposition, and STFU
    The question of course is *how*. Think about the challenge north of the border. On one hand we have the Scottish National Party, self-indulgent corrupt chancers who have made a hash of government despite winning a 4th term last year. On the other hand we have the Conservative Party, massively more corrupt than the SNP, massively more self-indulgent with local morons like Douglas Ross and the excretable David Duguid.

    It doesn't leave voters many options. In much of the central belt I expect a Labour resurgence. But outside the motorway triangle? Labour have a small presence, and regrettably the LibDems are struggling for bodies and presence even in seats held in the last decade.

    Before their exposure and growing collapse I would have assumed the SNP would take out chunks of the Tory held seats. Now? We may find Corruption Party MPs holding on as people decide they can't vote SNP because of corruption.

    Remember - although the SNP are a sewer of corruption and incompetence, the Tories are off the scale worse. Lets not allow their stench to stay either.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,409

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

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    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
    Yep.

    Stamps? Why use stamps? You can print at home for the same price and even get the postman to pick up the mail if you can't be arsed to walk to the postbox.
    The only pain with those is the insistence on something the size of a postcard for the printer “stamp”

    Otherwise it is a brilliant system
    Only if you have a printer whose ink doesn't run in the rain, and (ideally) a supply of sticky label paper. PITA.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm still finding it bizarre that ChatGPT can apparently write PhD theses, but at the same time believes the Conservatives won St Albans at the last general election and that therefore Anne Main is still the MP for the constituency.

    @venturetwins
    Teachers: "AI is a disaster, how am I going to know who is cheating?!"

    Students:

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,106
    @staylorish
    Ash Regan should be treasurer, provided she promises to put a “solvency thermometer” outside SNP party HQ.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    A 'culture war' – give it a bloody break FFS.
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  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,843

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    Until your phone bursts into flames....
    That's Samsungs.

    Plus that's why you have a back up smart watch.
    Mine never has and I am on my 6th
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