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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    IanB2 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The plan to disrupt the marathon is stupid. There must be significant crossover between long distance runners and people who care about the environment.

    Yet the amount of CO2 a human produces rises by up to eight times during exercise.

    And a lot of these marathons are on bus routes.

    It would be far better for the environment if they took the bus.
    Quicker too.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,572

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I'm still finding it bizarre that ChatGPT can apparently write PhD theses, but at the same time believes the Conservatives won St Albans at the last general election and that therefore Anne Main is still the MP for the constituency.

    Yep, it's crap. A congenital liar. Just makes stuff up.
    No wonder Leon likes it….
    Does it think Starmer is a winner?
    Ultimately, whether or not Keir Starmer surprises on the upside will depend on a complex array of factors, including his ability to build a strong coalition of support, communicate a compelling message to voters, and navigate the rapidly changing political landscape.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,573
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I'm still finding it bizarre that ChatGPT can apparently write PhD theses, but at the same time believes the Conservatives won St Albans at the last general election and that therefore Anne Main is still the MP for the constituency.

    Yep, it's crap. A congenital liar. Just makes stuff up.
    No wonder Leon likes it….
    Does it think Starmer is a winner?
    Ultimately, whether or not Keir Starmer surprises on the upside will depend on a complex array of factors, including his ability to build a strong coalition of support, communicate a compelling message to voters, and navigate the rapidly changing political landscape.
    Well he is done for then.!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 7,904
    IanB2 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The plan to disrupt the marathon is stupid. There must be significant crossover between long distance runners and people who care about the environment.

    Yet the amount of CO2 a human produces rises by up to eight times during exercise.

    And a lot of these marathons are on bus routes.

    It would be far better for the environment if they all took the bus.
    Haha, we have a walloper in the local Facebook group who claims cycle lanes will be terrible for emissions for the same reason.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,467
    IanB2 said:

    Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    Cash is being defended by three groups:
    1. Dodgy Traders who love cash as they don't pay tax on it. Have been quoted different amounts for work if I want an invoice for my company to pay vs cash. "Err, really?"
    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip
    3. People who want to withdraw lovely anonymous cash before buying something they don't want on a credit card statement.

    As I understand it the old legal tender arguments went out with Covid. Its now legal not to take cash. When we get our shop open later in he summer I'm only planning to take cash because there are some elderly people and small kids who may want to use it.

    For a business like ours cash is an absolute arse.
    The only thing worse than cash is being given a cheque.
    Cash is still useful. Some posters (and sadly, seemingly RP) look at their own lives and see no use for it: they seem not to understand that others *may* have use cases where cash is useful. It's particularly funny given that the people most against cash appear to be the left-leaning on here - who should allegedly care for those left behind in society...

    As a small example: when we had covid recently, a friend got us a few groceries whilst we awaited a supermarket delivery. I paid him back yesterday, in cash. The alternatives would have been a cheque (inconvenient), or bank transfer (slightly awkward for such a small sum, esp. as I did not have his account set up). It was much easier to just walk over and hand over a couple of notes.

    Admittedly, I use cash much less than I used to. But it is still useful.

    Then there are other use cases: people who use cash as they have problems controlling spending; people who do not want their controlling partners to see everything they have spent, etc, etc.
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,463
    IanB2 said:

    Anyway, I will spend the rest of the evening with my family.

    Five years ago I got annoyed that London cabbies still only took cash and refused cards. I'm just arguing for choice.

    Deeply odd how cash v. card has become such a fervent culture war issue. It's possibly fuelled by whichever group is detected to be largely on one side of it or not.

    Sign of the times perhaps.

    Cash is being defended by three groups:
    1. Dodgy Traders who love cash as they don't pay tax on it. Have been quoted different amounts for work if I want an invoice for my company to pay vs cash. "Err, really?"
    2. Nostalgia merchants who are still living pre-covid. My MIL who at Easter got arsey with wife because she wasn't carrying cash for a restaurant tip
    3. People who want to withdraw lovely anonymous cash before buying something they don't want on a credit card statement.

    As I understand it the old legal tender arguments went out with Covid. Its now legal not to take cash. When we get our shop open later in he summer I'm only planning to take cash because there are some elderly people and small kids who may want to use it.

    For a business like ours cash is an absolute arse.
    The only thing worse than cash is being given a cheque.
    Banks love cashless as they effectively hold all our cash all the time, at a push of a button your participation in society (buying food, socialising, travel) is subject to the whim of an IT worker based perhaps in India or another state in addition to whether said Bank agrees to you accessing it. with cash you can spend it whenever/wherever you want and the recipient gets immediate fulfillment of 100% of tendered money (and not 97% the following working day etc if Visa decides to allow it)
    A state's resilience is seriously undermined if we abandon cash.... its served us for centuries pretty well and at a time of competition in cyberspace we should seek to reinforce our alternate systems.... a bit like paper voting (dont get me on Voter id_
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,631
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The plan to disrupt the marathon is stupid. There must be significant crossover between long distance runners and people who care about the environment.

    Yet the amount of CO2 a human produces rises by up to eight times during exercise.

    And a lot of these marathons are on bus routes.

    It would be far better for the environment if they took the bus.
    Quicker too.
    A London bus is quicker than running? Your experiences of them must be better than mine!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,631
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The plan to disrupt the marathon is stupid. There must be significant crossover between long distance runners and people who care about the environment.

    Yet the amount of CO2 a human produces rises by up to eight times during exercise.

    And a lot of these marathons are on bus routes.

    It would be far better for the environment if they took the bus.
    Quicker too.
    A London bus is quicker than running? Your experiences of them must be better than mine!
    The route roads will be closed to other traffic on the day, so busses should speed along.

    The only problem with this plan is if a marathon runner insisted on paying by cash...
    Well, they won't have watches or phones on them, so what choice will they have?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,677
    Foxy said:

    If a government had long NHS waiting lists, much of it requiring anaesthesia for surgery, you would think it would want to train as many as it could. If it had a cohort of 350 doctors applying with 5 years postgraduate experience, 3 in the speciality who met the milestones for progression you would think it would jump at the chance to appoint. Not this government:

    https://twitter.com/ShaunLintern/status/1648724433035567104?t=TWwTWxr9PEkZ-lOZUEwmoA&s=19

    (Not unique to anaesthesia incidentally, and at least as important as pay in keeping these doctors in the country).

    The NHS has still not managed to come up with a staffing plan.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,467
    Also, do not forget the unbanked : those adults who do not have access to a banks account, for whatever reason. Figures for this vary from 2.1M (4% of adult population) to 1.2M. It is a number that is reducing (and should reduce), but for them, cash is vital.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 27,677
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Eabhal said:

    The plan to disrupt the marathon is stupid. There must be significant crossover between long distance runners and people who care about the environment.

    Yet the amount of CO2 a human produces rises by up to eight times during exercise.

    And a lot of these marathons are on bus routes.

    It would be far better for the environment if they took the bus.
    Quicker too.
    A London bus is quicker than running? Your experiences of them must be better than mine!
    The route roads will be closed to other traffic on the day, so busses should speed along.

    The only problem with this plan is if a marathon runner insisted on paying by cash...
    If Anticashazina hears of this, he'll need to be a fast runner.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 27,551
    edited April 2023

    Sir Softie!!! It would appear that Starmer had a sub optimal PMQ's

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f68744d2-defb-11ed-9cc2-0f7e26ed83eb?shareToken=fce21d8d1c7d5462f93d28d2acb6fe6f


    "He had turned into Neil Kinnock"

    Sunak didn't answer a single question again, but his schoolyard name calling is sublime. "Sir Softie" is probably the funniest name calling event I have read since I last perused the Beano. Starmer's toxicity at having a back story that both encompasses "lefty Lawyer" and former DPP is becoming a major electoral problem for Labour.

    Sunak's name calling is far more sophisticated than Johnson's, for example. "Sir Crasharoonie Snoozefest" was ridiculous. Although I suspect Quentin Letts approved of that too.
  • NEW THREAD

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 47,731
    edited April 2023



    The NHS has still not managed to come up with a staffing plan.

    No, the number of HST posts is not set by the NHS, it is set by HEE (or its devolved equivalents) a different organ of government.

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,003



    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    That SIF, of which Humza was director


    "Launched in July 2008, the group was intended to improve community relations, raise awareness of the Muslim faith and help its young leaders.

    However, it was dogged by claims of cronyism because of its many ties to the SNP.

    Its first chief executive, Osama Saeed, 32, was a former aide to Mr Salmond and an SNP candidate for the Westminster seat of Glasgow Central.

    Despite lacking a track record, SIF was awarded £405,000 in grants from the SNP Government within months of its creation. SIF then over-promised by announcing it would hold the country's biggest ever celebration of Islamic Culture in Glasgow in June 2009.

    Mr Salmond predicted IslamFest would be "an enormous event for Glasgow and for Scotland". However, the project collapsed and SIF was forced to repay £128,000, after £72,000 had been spent on development.

    SIF turned its attention to holding an Islamic financial event called Etisal, scheduled for November 2009, but that too fell through. Ultimately, half the £400,000 grant was withheld.

    Glasgow list MSP Humza Yousaf, 27, was a director of SIF Ltd from May 2008 to September 2009. He was made Minister for External Affairs and International Development last month. He said: "People always criticise organisations. Some of that criticism will be fair, some misplaced."


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13075219.islamic-lobbying-group-links-snp-faces-closure/

    The entire Scottish government has been led by a bunch of gangsters, idiots, petty criminals, twats, and small time terror-ish people, for a decade or more

    Malc has been saying!
    Indeed he has

    Seldom has a PB-er been vindicated in the style that @malcolmg is being vindicated right now

    It was worth all the turnip-laden invective - which could get wearisome - to hear it from him first, before anyone else. This is why PB is great and this is why it is really counter-productive to ban people - permanently - we NEED these various voices, it means we are better informed

    Bring back @isam and @StuartDickson and everyone!
    Don't make me laugh. He is still an apologist for the man that was described by his own QC as a "bully and a sex pest". Malcolm isn't some kind of visionary; he is a blind cultish follower of Salmond who is the modern font of the whole poisonous hate filled creed that is Scottish Nationalism. 90% of them , like Malcolm and StuartDickson, are driven by a small brained hatred of people that they stupidly believe to be amorphous, known to them through their gritted teeth as "the English" . Fundamentally Scots Nats are racists, and their motivations are the lowest of the low.
    Notwithstanding all of that - and I have no skin in your personal feud - @malcolmg has been entirely vindicated in his personal criticisms and predictions vis a vis the SNP leadership. Indeed the whole party. He said it was corrupt from the top down and would eventually be found out

    And so it is. As a site dedicated to political predictions, we are obliged to respect his wisdom, here
    Lol. The man has the wisdom of Baldrick and probably similar bodily hygiene. His criticism of his erstwhile comrades is driven entirely by his disgust at their rejection of their one time Fuhrer; the object of his love and unquestioning fealty.
    No it isn't. He's a wealthy man who could see the corruption, and the way the Nats were using indy as a bauble to distract the kids even as they stole their college funds

    I fundamentally disagree with @malcolmg on multiple grounds, not least, he wants to break up Britain, the country I love. I will happily fight him on this matter til my dying breath

    But on this occasion his many vivid opinions - on the terminal sleaze and grift in the SNP - have been proven entirely correct. That is worth noting. And I note it
    As Churchill once said "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.” Do you seriously think "Alba" are any better? The repository of the even more extreme Anglophobes and general scum bags?

    Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF87Nd5ghZQ

    These are Malcolm's types. Tossers
    Sure, but you'd do yourself a PB favour if you just accepted the fact: malcolm got this one right

    This site lives and dies by political predictions. @malcolmg predicted a terrible come-uppance for a corrupt SNP, and here we are. You can still hate the dude and yet honour the prediction

    Nor was it a stopped clock situation. @malcolmg was quite specific in his allegations of sleaze in particular places, and, again, it seems he was right, on the details

    Just give him a surly clap on the back, then go back to reviling him
    There is a difference between wanting Scottish Independence and the SNP. When southern posters have tried to pretend that Scottish Green MSPs elected on an explicit mandate for independence don't count, I have always corrected them.

    So absolutely Malcolm was right. I'm not sure his preferred party will benefit much, but if they do then it just demonstrates that no one party is the owner of the idea of independence.
    Indeed so. It seems to me that Sindy, as a movement, needs a complete clean out of the older generation, and anyone associated with them. Sturgeon as much as Salmond. They have all gotten curiously fat off the project, without ever delivering

    A young, clean living, uncorrupted, almost-too-honest leader like Kate Forbes could seriously fight a 2nd referendum in the 2030s, and the Union needs to prepare counter arguments for that moment, which will be testing

    But for now, for the good of Scotland more than Britain, Scottish voters need to kick these grifting Nat shits into the gutter. Same goes for London Tories. Take the medicine of Opposition, and STFU
    The question of course is *how*. Think about the challenge north of the border. On one hand we have the Scottish National Party, self-indulgent corrupt chancers who have made a hash of government despite winning a 4th term last year. On the other hand we have the Conservative Party, massively more corrupt than the SNP, massively more self-indulgent with local morons like Douglas Ross and the excretable David Duguid.

    It doesn't leave voters many options. In much of the central belt I expect a Labour resurgence. But outside the motorway triangle? Labour have a small presence, and regrettably the LibDems are struggling for bodies and presence even in seats held in the last decade.

    Before their exposure and growing collapse I would have assumed the SNP would take out chunks of the Tory held seats. Now? We may find Corruption Party MPs holding on as people decide they can't vote SNP because of corruption.

    Remember - although the SNP are a sewer of corruption and incompetence, the Tories are off the scale worse. Lets not allow their stench to stay either.
    I forsee a significant number of people not voting.
    @foremain
    I see the saad gammon does not learn any lessons. One of lifes whining losers. Good for nothing and will come to nothing. The oafish clown adds nothing but invective to the party. How we laugh at the sad loser.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 22,458
    edited April 2023
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I would ask who set the anti-cash loon off.

    But it seems he set himself off, by blaming somebody for not using things that hadn't been invented to pay for a bus fare that didn't exist at the time.

    To misquote Derby's famously acid putdown of General Peel, 'He is very reasonable on every subject until somebody mentions 'cash,' whereat his eye lights up with insanity.'

    I assume you mean me, despite the fact I am not a 'loon', I merely disagree with you. Lots of people agree with me!

    I "blamed" Sandpit for nothing of the sort. I merely asked him when the event occurred because buses have taken phone payments for ages. He then replied saying it was in 2005 and I noted his response by liking it.
    Yes, I do mean you, and you do not ‘merely’ disagree. You make wilfully false statements in an obsessive and frequently rude way on this subject, and when it is demonstrated to you that you are wrong or at the very least, seriously mistaken become unpleasant to the point of being abusive.

    It never seems to occur to you to simply accept what information you’re given and learn from it. Which makes you come across as ‘a loon.’ You even take criticisms aimed at you as aimed at others.

    I have no idea why you behave in such a peculiar way on this subject, but to give you some idea of how you come across compared to your behaviour on this Farage’s discourse on the EU appears positively reasonable.
    I’m not the one making false accusations, you are. I have just shown you why you were wrong about what I said to Sandpit, and you ignored my explanation and continued to rant.

    In the past week, I’ve been called a “moron”, a “fuckwit”, accused of “throwing the poor under a bus”, a “loon”, and various other names.

    I have taken most of these in remarkable good humour.

    Cash is dying. We need to prepare for that as a society. I am not calling for its abolition, simply speaking the truth about the collapsing demand for it, both from businesses and consumers.

    Why don’t you engage with the debate instead of calling me childish names?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,573
    Fuck the banks . Use cash. Digital payments are a hidden tax.the Consumer ends up paying in the end.
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