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  • Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    £10 notes?

    Are you that skint?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited April 2023

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    Where do you keep your credit/debit cards?
    Smartphone case, Andy.
    Or the electronic wallet on the phone/watch.
    Yep. Binned the wallet a couple of years ago and never looked back. Liberating, and trousers fit a lot better.

    Pay with my watch these days but of course you can use your phone.

    Wallets are even more pointless than cash itself...

    If you are that worried about a global banking system collapse, or are going to @ydoethur 's village – the only place in Christendom that still refuses electronic payments – stick a twenty in your sky.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,019
    eek said:

    Colin Beattie has resigned as SNP Treasurer.

    Now they have to find both a Treasurer and an Auditor...

    Tom Harris seems to think that Humza is now automatically SNP Treasurer under party and Electoral Commission rules.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Cash being flammable is yet another flaw that I failed to note last time around.

    Good point.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,502
    Sandpit said:

    algarkirk said:

    Sandpit said:

    algarkirk said:

    kjh said:

    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    Any guesses as to when the Sturgeon will be arrested? If she is, will she get off the hook, like Salmond?

    No as she is guilty whereas as found by a jury of his peers , he was innocent.
    I thought he was found not guilty?
    does innocent not equal Not Guilty
    Not necessarily. It just shows that the prosecution failed to reach the required standard of proof of guilt. Hence the verdict is "not guilty" or "not proven" rather than "innocent".
    Keep dancing on that pin head
    I don't think it is Malcolm. For instance if you bring a civil case for the same thing you could be found liable in the civil case but not guilty in the criminal case because they have different burdens of proof and it is far from unknown for this to happen.
    The civil courts may well in the long run be where a whole range of sexual offences could end up one day. Unless and until the criminal standard of proof (beyond reasonable doubt) changes a huge range of sexual offences other than the 'stranger dragging into bushes/abduction' type are doomed to failure for reasons (sadly) all too obvious.

    It is quite possible that faced with decades of 5% of rape allegations ending in a conviction the attitude will shift to doing justice through the simpler civil standard of proof (balance of probability), and bankrupting the bloke.

    That requires the victim to either put up several grand in legal fees, or have an agreement that the lawyer takes half of the compensation. Most of which will never be collected, as the guy will be bankrupted.
    Yes. The change would come when governments acknowledge the undeniable truth of the problem, and that it cannot be justly solved in the criminal realm, and put big money behind a civil system in parallel.

    So you suggest that the government should fund civil lawsuits? That might result in the need to fund half a million judges, and several million new lawyers.

    Can we not all agree, that we have too many lawyers already?
    Noted. The problem is finding a solution both just and acceptable to feminist opinion. There aren't any cheap ones. It won't happen soon.

  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Cash being flammable is yet another flaw that I failed to note last time around.

    Good point.
    Plastic notes aren't that flammable are they?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303

    eek said:

    Colin Beattie has resigned as SNP Treasurer.

    Now they have to find both a Treasurer and an Auditor...

    Oo er Mrs.. Nicola needs a job...
    Yes. Perfect. Appoint Nippie. Absolutely nothing to see here, move along...
    The problem with appointing Nicola Sturgeon to the job would be that she has no recollection of anything to do with

    1) The SNP
    2) Holyrood
    3) Party finances
    4) Scotland
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561
    I'm not sure it's sensible for Sunak to start attacking Labour on crime when his record is so weak. Economic matters would be a better line of attack for him.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    A recent Tom Scott video about artificial intelligence.

    "I tried using AI. It scared me."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPhJbKBuNnA
  • This is the 'find out' part of 'fuck around and find out.'

    "Animal rising" protestor complains about being pepper sprayed and cuffed for trying to illegally storm the Grand National...

    https://twitter.com/StevenEdginton/status/1648677135618392066
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    ....
  • eek said:

    Colin Beattie has resigned as SNP Treasurer.

    Now they have to find both a Treasurer and an Auditor...

    Oo er Mrs.. Nicola needs a job...
    Yes. Perfect. Appoint Nippie. Absolutely nothing to see here, move along...
    The problem with appointing Nicola Sturgeon to the job would be that she has no recollection of anything to do with

    1) The SNP
    2) Holyrood
    3) Party finances
    4) Scotland
    5) Peter Murrell.
  • DialupDialup Posts: 561
    Ken Clarke seems like he's got his head screwed on.

    So he is nowhere near the Government.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872
    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Dialup said:

    Ken Clarke seems like he's got his head screwed on.

    So he is nowhere near the Government.

    He's also 82. What is he, the US President?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,455
    Dialup said:

    I'm not sure it's sensible for Sunak to start attacking Labour on crime when his record is so weak. Economic matters would be a better line of attack for him.

    And that's saying something.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,805
    Dialup said:

    Ken Clarke seems like he's got his head screwed on.

    So he is nowhere near the Government.

    He hasn't been an MP for about 12 years, has he?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577

    This is the 'find out' part of 'fuck around and find out.'

    "Animal rising" protestor complains about being pepper sprayed and cuffed for trying to illegally storm the Grand National...

    https://twitter.com/StevenEdginton/status/1648677135618392066

    It could have been worse. He could have had his head kicked by a startled horse.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,934

    eek said:

    Colin Beattie has resigned as SNP Treasurer.

    Now they have to find both a Treasurer and an Auditor...

    Oo er Mrs.. Nicola needs a job...
    Yes. Perfect. Appoint Nippie. Absolutely nothing to see here, move along...
    The problem with appointing Nicola Sturgeon to the job would be that she has no recollection of anything to do with

    1) The SNP
    2) Holyrood
    3) Party finances
    4) Scotland
    Peter Gabriel wrote the lyrics to Nicola Sturgeon’s favourite song.
    “ I got no means to show identification
    I got no papers show you what I am
    You'll have to take me just the
    Way that you find me
    What's gone is gone and I do not give a damn
    Empty stomach, empty head
    I got empty heart and empty bed
    I don't remember i don't remember
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything at all
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything, anything at all
    Strange is your language and
    I have no decoder
    Why don't you make your intentions clear
    With eyes to the sun and
    Your mouth to the soda
    Saying, "Tell me the truth
    You got nothing to fear"
    Stop staring at me like a bird of prey
    I'm all mixed up, I got nothing to say
    I don't remember i don't remember
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything at all
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything, anything at all
    A-a-a-h! Uh huh, you know now
    Na na na na, you know now, oh
    Uh huh, you know now
    Na na na na, you know now, oh
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything at all, ooh
    I don't remember, I don't recall
    I got no memory of anything
    Absolutely anything at all
    I don't remember i don't remember
    I don't remember i don't remember
    Uh huh, you know now
    Na na na na, you know now, oh
    Uh huh, you know now
    Na na na na, you know now, oh
    (I don't remember)
    Uh huh, you know now (I don't remember)
    Na na na na, you know now, oh
    (I don't remember)”
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226
    Cookie said:

    Dialup said:

    Ken Clarke seems like he's got his head screwed on.

    So he is nowhere near the Government.

    He hasn't been an MP for about 12 years, has he?
    Nah, only left the Commons in 2019. Heck, he was in Cabinet until 2014
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303

    eek said:

    biggles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @YouGov
    Overall, do you think that Suella Braverman is doing well or badly in her role as home secretary?

    All Britons
    Well: 19%
    Badly: 50%

    Con voters
    Well: 42%
    Badly: 33%

    I don’t believe 50% of Brits know who she is. I also don’t believe that 42% of Tory *voters* do.
    She's been on TV a lot, but I agree that some are responding more to "Do you think the Home Secretary (whoever it is) is doing a good job?" That's a question that rarely gets an enthusiastic answer for any incumbent. When was the last really popular HS?
    Surely the job of being Home Secretary by it's very nature is one where no-one could ever be popular?

    The best you could hope for is being regarded as competent enough to get into No 10 if the opportunity arises (see a certain T May).
    Legalise soft drugs, use the extra police capacity to start reforming the police and the court capacity to deal with migration backlog. You'd get some favourables from various unaligned groups, I think a good communicator doing that mix could become quite popular.
    1) Legalise the entire supply chain. The insanity of countries which legalise selling but not making/growing is truly special.
    2) set taxes low enough that the legal stuff is much cheaper than the illegal. America is currently fucking this one up, due to greedy politicians.
    3) laws on quality and purity for legal sake
    4) not just soft drugs.

    That will wipe out the drugs trade, bring in a pile of tax and reduce (maybe even eliminate) drug deaths.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    Where do you keep your credit/debit cards?
    Smartphone case, Andy.
    Or the electronic wallet on the phone/watch.
    Oh, the fun you could have with a portable EMP device...
    Or indeed, one that zapped an entire nation.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    Until your phone bursts into flames....
  • Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    Until your phone bursts into flames....
    Exploding phones are so last year.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    edited April 2023
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084

    Nigelb said:

    Does Henley even want the Clown Prince as its MP?

    Do we even want to devote another thread to the old bluffer ?
    We could have a thread about how the current PM is doing on his 5 rock solid pledges:
    1. We will halve inflation this year to ease the cost of living and give people financial security.
    2. We will grow the economy, creating better-paid jobs and opportunity right across the country.
    3. We will make sure our national debt is falling so that we can secure the future of public services.
    4. NHS waiting lists will fall and people will get the care they need more quickly.
    5. We will pass new laws to stop small boats, making sure that if you come to this country illegally, you are detained and swiftly removed.

    Certainly we should make time for several of those.
    As he’s not, yet, crashed the economy, it’s perhaps slightly too early.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303

    This is the 'find out' part of 'fuck around and find out.'

    "Animal rising" protestor complains about being pepper sprayed and cuffed for trying to illegally storm the Grand National...

    https://twitter.com/StevenEdginton/status/1648677135618392066

    It could have been worse. He could have had his head kicked by a startled horse.
    Some years ago, I was out riding.

    An idiot had his dog off the lead in the field we were passing though - public right of way, but we had the farmers permission to use the whole field.

    He seemed, judging by his comments, to believe that whatever he did was right, and that everyone who rides is a fox hunter.

    After his dog got a light tap from another horse, he picked up a stick a whacked my horse on the arse.

    My horse was a bitter, twisted, sardonic character. He and I had our battles…

    Instead of chucking me off, the horse turned his head. I swear he looked me in the eye. Then kicked the stick wielding bloke. Who was standing directly behind the horse.

    I still think he pulled that kick - a shod shoe to the centre of the chest would have been a hospital job at full power….
  • Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    Until your phone bursts into flames....
    That's Samsungs.

    Plus that's why you have a back up smart watch.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    Until your phone bursts into flames....
    I do like the feature on a Garmin watch of being able to use it to pay. Makes it easier on the beach - no need to have someone to stay behind to guard the valuables etc.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196
    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    hello pagan 👀 👀
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    Until your phone bursts into flames....
    I do like the feature on a Garmin watch of being able to use it to pay. Makes it easier on the beach - no need to have someone to stay behind to guard the valuables etc.
    Yep, it's also great on the tube and bus, just drag your wrist across the scanner – it's much easier than fishing out a phone. I use my watch to pay everywhere now for that reason.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    This is the 'find out' part of 'fuck around and find out.'

    "Animal rising" protestor complains about being pepper sprayed and cuffed for trying to illegally storm the Grand National...

    https://twitter.com/StevenEdginton/status/1648677135618392066

    It could have been worse. He could have had his head kicked by a startled horse.
    Some years ago, I was out riding.

    An idiot had his dog off the lead in the field we were passing though - public right of way, but we had the farmers permission to use the whole field.

    He seemed, judging by his comments, to believe that whatever he did was right, and that everyone who rides is a fox hunter.

    After his dog got a light tap from another horse, he picked up a stick a whacked my horse on the arse.

    My horse was a bitter, twisted, sardonic character. He and I had our battles…

    Instead of chucking me off, the horse turned his head. I swear he looked me in the eye. Then kicked the stick wielding bloke. Who was standing directly behind the horse.

    I still think he pulled that kick - a shod shoe to the centre of the chest would have been a hospital job at full power….
    I love this story.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,904
    Dialup said:

    Ken Clarke seems like he's got his head screwed on.

    So he is nowhere near the Government.

    I just happen to be throwing away the Racing Post of the 6th October, 2005 which reports that David Davis is drifting in the betting after a poor leadership speech. Best prices are as follows:-

    David Davis 5/6
    David Cameron 3/1
    Ken Clarke 7/2
    Liam Fox 16/1
    Malcolm Rifkind 80/1
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,623
    When I went out on hikes, I'd carry my wallet with some cash in, and a bank card in for an account with a low amount of cash in (a few hundred quid), some cash in my tilley hat, some more in a hidden coat pocket, and main bank cards in a small wallet in my coat pocket. Also some notes and another bank card hidden in my rucksack.

    The idea being that if I got mugged or lost some gear, I'd still have enough cash or cards to get myself out of trouble.

    The downside is that I'd forget where I secreted them after a trip. A few months back I found a load of old twenties in a rucksack. Hence a trip to the bank to cash them in...

    I'd still do the same now. Cash is great to get yourself out of trouble - just wave a couple of twenties at someone.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    I actually spent 3 days in London recently without any type of device. Just used cash. It was more relaxing than usual.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
    Or just a good butcher who gives you a good price without requiring name, address, phone number inside leg measurement and then sells that info to all and sundry
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    ping said:

    Sandpit said:

    ping said:

    An Asda spokesperson said: "The process of price changes mean that shelf edge labels should be changed at the same time as they are updated on Scan & Go. If an item scans at a different price as to that shown on the shelf edge label, the customer should alert a colleague who will be able to confirm the correct price to be paid."

    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/asda-shoppers-outraged-after-noticing-26732126

    This is the kind of casual fraud that is the inevitable consequence of 13 years of libertarian Tory ideology.

    Trust the market. Unleash competition. Light touch regulation. Defund trading standards.

    And then companies blame shoppers and place the burden on us to alert staff and “confirm the correct price” and only refund those who complain.

    It stinks.

    It’s a consequence of 24-hour opening. There’s a daily price update to the tills, and the night shift need to make sure all the labels are right. Sometimes they miss one, and it’s caught with a complaint. The prices that are lower at the till than the shelf, they never complain.
    Lol.

    libertarian right winger chimes in to rationalise theft.
    In the good old days cheating shopkeepers got punished.

    https://texthistory.wordpress.com/2012/07/02/underweight-bread/

    But of course shopkeepers started forming the core of the local Tory parties. It's the only explanation I can think of.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,852
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
    Or just a good butcher who gives you a good price without requiring name, address, phone number inside leg measurement and then sells that info to all and sundry
    That's right. Woke, unwoke, traceable, unusual recipes and cuts, what's not to like?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    For true anonymity, you need gold coins.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
    Yep.

    Stamps? Why use stamps? You can print at home for the same price and even get the postman to pick up the mail if you can't be arsed to walk to the postbox.
  • I know we are all chortling at the SNP fracas, but can we also point our fingers at other murky ponds? The growing scandal of the South Tees Development Corporation perhaps https://twitter.com/HendersonGraham/status/1648747803907178497
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Because banning cash discrimanates against those that for whatever reason can't get bank accounts. If it spreads wide enough and 95% of shops dont accept cash. The poor who are usually those that can't get bank accounts end up shopping at places that can jack up prices because they are the only place locally that will take cash. Aren't these the people a leftie like you are meant to be concerned about?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    Why? Would you also force buses to accept cash?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,844

    I know we are all chortling at the SNP fracas, but can we also point our fingers at other murky ponds? The growing scandal of the South Tees Development Corporation perhaps https://twitter.com/HendersonGraham/status/1648747803907178497

    Nah, the SNP fiasco is just so much funnier.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    edited April 2023

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
    Yep.

    Stamps? Why use stamps? You can print at home for the same price and even get the postman to pick up the mail if you can't be arsed to walk to the postbox.
    The only pain with those is the insistence on something the size of a postcard for the printer “stamp”

    Otherwise it is a brilliant system
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    Why? Would you also force buses to accept cash?
    Buses do accept cash....maybe not in london but people in london are arseholes
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    When I went out on hikes, I'd carry my wallet with some cash in, and a bank card in for an account with a low amount of cash in (a few hundred quid), some cash in my tilley hat, some more in a hidden coat pocket, and main bank cards in a small wallet in my coat pocket. Also some notes and another bank card hidden in my rucksack.

    The idea being that if I got mugged or lost some gear, I'd still have enough cash or cards to get myself out of trouble.

    The downside is that I'd forget where I secreted them after a trip. A few months back I found a load of old twenties in a rucksack. Hence a trip to the bank to cash them in...

    I'd still do the same now. Cash is great to get yourself out of trouble - just wave a couple of twenties at someone.

    What an absurd security regime, when you could just not carry cash at all. Use a smartwatch that stays on your wrist if you are worried about carrying around a phone.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    Why? Would you also force buses to accept cash?
    Buses do accept cash....maybe not in london but people in london are arseholes
    Oh dear.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,669
    edited April 2023

    kle4 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    Where do you keep your credit/debit cards?
    Smartphone case, Andy.
    Or the electronic wallet on the phone/watch.
    Oh, the fun you could have with a portable EMP device...
    Or indeed, one that zapped an entire nation.
    I'll leave that one to Malmesbury.

    I want one to point at annoying vehicles. Anything newer than about 1990 and the ECU is toast.

    And phone zombies.
  • DavidL said:

    I know we are all chortling at the SNP fracas, but can we also point our fingers at other murky ponds? The growing scandal of the South Tees Development Corporation perhaps https://twitter.com/HendersonGraham/status/1648747803907178497

    Nah, the SNP fiasco is just so much funnier.
    But the numbers are so much smaller. The grift in the Tees thing is hundreds of millions of public money landing into the right bank accounts with zero scrutiny.

    How does the taxpayer get to foot the bill clearing and redeveloping all of these sites (£450m so far), then local developers get to buy the land for £1 an acre and charge £150m or so in rent over the next 40 years?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
    Yep.

    Stamps? Why use stamps? You can print at home for the same price and even get the postman to pick up the mail if you can't be arsed to walk to the postbox.
    The only pain with those is the insistence on something the size of a postcard for the printer “stamp”

    Otherwise it is a brilliant system
    Yes, not sure why they have to be that big!
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    Why? Would you also force buses to accept cash?
    Buses do accept cash....maybe not in london but people in london are arseholes
    Oh dear.
    Points at you...rests his case
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,196
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
    Or just a good butcher who gives you a good price without requiring name, address, phone number inside leg measurement and then sells that info to all and sundry
    So would you pay more for a chop if the butcher agrees to keep the transaction on the hush hush?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Andy_JS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    I actually spent 3 days in London recently without any type of device. Just used cash. It was more relaxing than usual.
    So no trips on the bus then?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    Why? Would you also force buses to accept cash?
    Buses do accept cash....maybe not in london but people in london are arseholes
    Oh dear.
    Points at you...rests his case
    I am one of nine million. So I see your grasp of statistics is similar to your grasp of technology.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
    Or just a good butcher who gives you a good price without requiring name, address, phone number inside leg measurement and then sells that info to all and sundry
    So would you pay more for a chop if the butcher agrees to keep the transaction on the hush hush?
    Its not about on the hush...ask yourself this is it more likely

    a) A retailer with a loyalty card is giving you a 5% discount and swallowing the loss

    or

    b) A retailer with a loyalty card is making the discount back or more selling on your information

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,623

    When I went out on hikes, I'd carry my wallet with some cash in, and a bank card in for an account with a low amount of cash in (a few hundred quid), some cash in my tilley hat, some more in a hidden coat pocket, and main bank cards in a small wallet in my coat pocket. Also some notes and another bank card hidden in my rucksack.

    The idea being that if I got mugged or lost some gear, I'd still have enough cash or cards to get myself out of trouble.

    The downside is that I'd forget where I secreted them after a trip. A few months back I found a load of old twenties in a rucksack. Hence a trip to the bank to cash them in...

    I'd still do the same now. Cash is great to get yourself out of trouble - just wave a couple of twenties at someone.

    What an absurd security regime, when you could just not carry cash at all. Use a smartwatch that stays on your wrist if you are worried about carrying around a phone.
    Not absurd in the least. I'm talking about hiking - where I might be out in the wilds for many days without a charger. My Garmin watch is good at keeping charge, esp. if I don't use the GPS aspects, but I wouldn't want to rely on it. Likewise a phone.

    Besides, you didn't seem to read my post: the main aim is for me to have access to money if I get mugged (or, as does happen, the phone is dropped into a stream). Or everything gets utterly waterlogged.

    Your watch-only system may work for your limited use-cases. Other people may well have different use-cases.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,701

    When I went out on hikes, I'd carry my wallet with some cash in, and a bank card in for an account with a low amount of cash in (a few hundred quid), some cash in my tilley hat, some more in a hidden coat pocket, and main bank cards in a small wallet in my coat pocket. Also some notes and another bank card hidden in my rucksack.

    The idea being that if I got mugged or lost some gear, I'd still have enough cash or cards to get myself out of trouble.

    The downside is that I'd forget where I secreted them after a trip. A few months back I found a load of old twenties in a rucksack. Hence a trip to the bank to cash them in...

    I'd still do the same now. Cash is great to get yourself out of trouble - just wave a couple of twenties at someone.

    What an absurd security regime, when you could just not carry cash at all. Use a smartwatch that stays on your wrist if you are worried about carrying around a phone.
    Smartwatches are a faff cos you have to keep taking them off to charge them.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    Why? Would you also force buses to accept cash?
    Buses do accept cash....maybe not in london but people in london are arseholes
    Oh dear.
    Points at you...rests his case
    I am one of nine million. So I see your grasp of statistics is similar to your grasp of technology.
    My grasp on technology is pretty good which is why I don't carry a tracking device around, nor use faeces book or twitter or linked in and why for most of my browsing I use Tor. You however either don't have the awareness or don't care about the information you are allowing people to have. I am honestly sure which is worse.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    When I went out on hikes, I'd carry my wallet with some cash in, and a bank card in for an account with a low amount of cash in (a few hundred quid), some cash in my tilley hat, some more in a hidden coat pocket, and main bank cards in a small wallet in my coat pocket. Also some notes and another bank card hidden in my rucksack.

    The idea being that if I got mugged or lost some gear, I'd still have enough cash or cards to get myself out of trouble.

    The downside is that I'd forget where I secreted them after a trip. A few months back I found a load of old twenties in a rucksack. Hence a trip to the bank to cash them in...

    I'd still do the same now. Cash is great to get yourself out of trouble - just wave a couple of twenties at someone.

    What an absurd security regime, when you could just not carry cash at all. Use a smartwatch that stays on your wrist if you are worried about carrying around a phone.
    Not absurd in the least. I'm talking about hiking - where I might be out in the wilds for many days without a charger. My Garmin watch is good at keeping charge, esp. if I don't use the GPS aspects, but I wouldn't want to rely on it. Likewise a phone.

    Besides, you didn't seem to read my post: the main aim is for me to have access to money if I get mugged (or, as does happen, the phone is dropped into a stream). Or everything gets utterly waterlogged.

    Your watch-only system may work for your limited use-cases. Other people may well have different use-cases.
    You can get days out of my smartwatch and you can carry a battery pack if you need one. Lugging around cash when you are worried about getting mugged seems... paradoxical.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,373
    edited April 2023

    DavidL said:

    I know we are all chortling at the SNP fracas, but can we also point our fingers at other murky ponds? The growing scandal of the South Tees Development Corporation perhaps https://twitter.com/HendersonGraham/status/1648747803907178497

    Nah, the SNP fiasco is just so much funnier.
    But the numbers are so much smaller. The grift in the Tees thing is hundreds of millions of public money landing into the right bank accounts with zero scrutiny.

    How does the taxpayer get to foot the bill clearing and redeveloping all of these sites (£450m so far), then local developers get to buy the land for £1 an acre and charge £150m or so in rent over the next 40 years?
    Like yourself I have been highly critical on PB of local Labour corruption in the NE (and in my case also South Wales) over the years, but it does seem like the ghost of T. Dan Smith lives on in the new-blue politics of the RedWall.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,805
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    "Loyalty card for the butchers" ... you can slip that into a pocket.
    Or just a good butcher who gives you a good price without requiring name, address, phone number inside leg measurement and then sells that info to all and sundry
    So would you pay more for a chop if the butcher agrees to keep the transaction on the hush hush?
    To be clear: the loyalty card for the butcher is made of carboard. He punches a hole in it for every £10 I spend (though this seems inconsistently applied). When I have amassed enough holes, I get £6 off. No data gathering is involved.
    And I could keep it in a pocket - but then I'd have to plan ahead when going to the butchers. So my wallet is the best place for it, as for so many things.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Tres said:

    When I went out on hikes, I'd carry my wallet with some cash in, and a bank card in for an account with a low amount of cash in (a few hundred quid), some cash in my tilley hat, some more in a hidden coat pocket, and main bank cards in a small wallet in my coat pocket. Also some notes and another bank card hidden in my rucksack.

    The idea being that if I got mugged or lost some gear, I'd still have enough cash or cards to get myself out of trouble.

    The downside is that I'd forget where I secreted them after a trip. A few months back I found a load of old twenties in a rucksack. Hence a trip to the bank to cash them in...

    I'd still do the same now. Cash is great to get yourself out of trouble - just wave a couple of twenties at someone.

    What an absurd security regime, when you could just not carry cash at all. Use a smartwatch that stays on your wrist if you are worried about carrying around a phone.
    Smartwatches are a faff cos you have to keep taking them off to charge them.
    Mine charges fully in a hour, just charge it when you are in the shower and getting dressed. I resisted buying one for a while because I assumed it would be a faff. Turns out that it isn't.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,885

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As it so often does, an equilibrium becomes established and doesn’t require legislation. There seems plenty of choice still between cash and card and as long as traders make it clear what they will or won’t accept, I don’t see why we need more law.

    I keep my finances up to date using an old fashioned ledger and pen and paper. Not sure why - my Dad taught me double entry book keeping and Mrs Stodge seems happy to let me “do the money” as she terms it.

    There are fewer ATMs but then I use them much less frequently than pre-pandemic. We still have plenty of banks in East Ham including the State Bank of India (no surprise) and both banks and building societies, albeit on reduced hours, seem busy.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Not what he said....what he said is shops must take cash....not that they can only accept cash. Buses here takes cash it doesn't noticeably hold them up
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660
    edited April 2023

    I know we are all chortling at the SNP fracas, but can we also point our fingers at other murky ponds? The growing scandal of the South Tees Development Corporation perhaps https://twitter.com/HendersonGraham/status/1648747803907178497

    The sea life die off could also be linked to the Tees regeneration works.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    he is a lefty....he justs gives lip service to caring about poor people
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,094

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    For true anonymity, you need gold coins.
    Have to pay for the Continental somehow. High Table don't do cash.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Not what he said....what he said is shops must take cash....not that they can only accept cash. Buses here takes cash it doesn't noticeably hold them up
    Trivially googleable.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twi melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Er, no. I'm just legislating so people have a choice.

    If 90%+ of people want to use cards and 10% are excluded because they don't or can't then I see that as a bigger crime than occassionally waiting 2 seconds extra for some change in a bus so everyone can access the service.

    And I'm very far from convinced that scanning a bus pass or ticket is quicker anyway, based on what I've seen.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872
    viewcode said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    For true anonymity, you need gold coins.
    Have to pay for the Continental somehow. High Table don't do cash.
    Technically they do as all transactions are in gold coins
  • Junior doctors pushing for co-ordinated strikes with nurses

    Plans for industrial action discussed online as nursing union leader battles with internal fractures


    Within minutes of the nurses’ rejection of the government’s 5 per cent pay offer, doctors were expressing their desire to co-ordinate their strikes.

    A post on a junior doctor online forum read: “We can co-ordinate strikes and really disrupt, and we won’t have the, ‘Well the nurses accepted 5 per cent, do you think you’re better than nurses’ stick to be beaten with.”

    In another post raising the prospect of co-ordinating a strike, one junior doctor wrote: “They should be back to back rather than simultaneous.”

    Despite the nurses distancing themselves from a joint strike, Vivek Trivedi, co-chairman of the BMA, said “we haven’t ruled anything out”, adding that “of course our unions will be in close communication to discuss how we may go forward together.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/junior-doctors-pushing-for-co-ordinated-strikes-with-nurses-lrzhttrhm
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    Why? Would you also force buses to accept cash?
    Yes.

    I know Albanian carwashes and kebab takeaways that only take cash, and retailers that only take cards.

    I think both are wrong.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,042
    Rishi out in Belfast with Bill and Hillary and Leo this afternoon
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CrObIqEO5gr/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,623

    When I went out on hikes, I'd carry my wallet with some cash in, and a bank card in for an account with a low amount of cash in (a few hundred quid), some cash in my tilley hat, some more in a hidden coat pocket, and main bank cards in a small wallet in my coat pocket. Also some notes and another bank card hidden in my rucksack.

    The idea being that if I got mugged or lost some gear, I'd still have enough cash or cards to get myself out of trouble.

    The downside is that I'd forget where I secreted them after a trip. A few months back I found a load of old twenties in a rucksack. Hence a trip to the bank to cash them in...

    I'd still do the same now. Cash is great to get yourself out of trouble - just wave a couple of twenties at someone.

    What an absurd security regime, when you could just not carry cash at all. Use a smartwatch that stays on your wrist if you are worried about carrying around a phone.
    Not absurd in the least. I'm talking about hiking - where I might be out in the wilds for many days without a charger. My Garmin watch is good at keeping charge, esp. if I don't use the GPS aspects, but I wouldn't want to rely on it. Likewise a phone.

    Besides, you didn't seem to read my post: the main aim is for me to have access to money if I get mugged (or, as does happen, the phone is dropped into a stream). Or everything gets utterly waterlogged.

    Your watch-only system may work for your limited use-cases. Other people may well have different use-cases.
    You can get days out of my smartwatch and you can carry a battery pack if you need one. Lugging around cash when you are worried about getting mugged seems... paradoxical.
    People will mug you for your expensive smartwatch. Or your phone. Or your battery pack. Or just for (literal) kicks.

    The problem with "You can get days out of my smartwatch" is that you can, in ideal circumstances. But they tend to get used in non-ideal circumstances. For instance, my old (*) Garmin had an app that displayed OSGB grid coordinates that I would use occasionally. And that requires GPS, which sucks up the juice.

    And I reiterate that I could be out for many days.

    (*) I haven't downloaded it to my latest watch yet...
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,872

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Who do you think is most likely to have no access to non cash payments methods....oh yes it would be the poor. So advocating non cash buses means the poor can't take buses...oh thats right they can drive the cars they cant afford either....you wonder why people claim left wing people like you are hypocrites? Look no further
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    This article in The American Conservative is really not a piss take.

    Learning From Vlad the Impaler
    The American people need a champion who is willing to be the bad guy.
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/learning-from-vlad-the-impaler/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,342

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    As a professional knapping journalist, I have to advise against paper notebooks

    Get an app like Evernote and it transforms your life. Yes you have to tap your notes into your phone, which is a minor pain (tho these days my handwriting is so bad and unused it is probably harder work - and illegible to boot). Then that note is stored forever, in the cloud. You cannot lose it

    Honestly it's wondrous. I can scroll back through Evernote and find ideas I had in March 2014 and think DAMN, that's a good idea, and then I turn it into money. Alternatively I can find notes that are palpably insane - what was I drinking in Iguazu Argentina in late December 2019? - but then they are amusing

    Life changing stuff. For me. AND THE NOTEBOOK CANNOT BE LOST
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,465

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,084
    Democrats eye a hearing on Clarence Thomas but “issuing a subpoena would require a majority vote by the committee, which the party doesn’t have with Sen. Dianne Feinstein, out indefinitely on medical leave. ‘So that option is out of the question.’”
    https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/status/1648688737751277627
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,848
    viewcode said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    For true anonymity, you need gold coins.
    Have to pay for the Continental somehow. High Table don't do cash.
    Yeah... not really.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,226
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    We could combine the two and make jigsaw puzzles legal tender.
    Also no banning involved....he didn't say shops cant accept your phone merely they had to also accept cash.....only person advocating no choice is you
    He is advocating banning cash-free retail. Presumably also buses – which would be a plonker move given handling cash holds them up massively at stops.
    Not what he said....what he said is shops must take cash....not that they can only accept cash. Buses here takes cash it doesn't noticeably hold them up
    In a way, that's part of the catch, though.

    Each cash transaction does take a little bit of time. Even if each individual transaction doesn't have a noticeable effect, that all adds up. So in the old days, even provincial buses had conductors, and then there were all sorts of strange experiments with "drop coins in the box" systems to speed things up.

    Now, there's a definite downside to going for a smartcard-only model, London style. It does exclude some, and create worries for other. And that has to be taken on board. But reducing the use of cash does allow buses to go faster, which makes them more useful as transport and more efficient to operate. Not carrying cash around makes bus drivers safer as well.

    So the question is- how far should the concerns of those who want to stick with cash be allowed to make life worse for other people? We can argue about how big the up and downsides are in each direction, and where the line should be drawn. That's politics and democracy. But it isn't an absolute.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare they don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I have a wallet, that I use daily, just as my wife has a purse.

    We keep notes, coins, bankcards, membership cards and receipts in it.

    I have absolutely no intention of uploading everything to my phone. It is there for Internet browsing, WhatsApp, phone calls, video and music. Not my life.

    Indeed, I am going the other way. I still use a pen and paper to make all my notes at work, and to sketch out diagrams and concepts and read real books - I have no interest in a Kindle.

    I would legislate to force all retailers to accept cash.
    Why? Would you also force buses to accept cash?
    Yes.

    I know Albanian carwashes and kebab takeaways that only take cash, and retailers that only take cards.

    I think both are wrong.
    An absolutely stupid move. Having the driver faff around with cash is a complete waste of time and energy, and is insecure.

    Only 1% of London bus fares were in cash just before they went cashless.


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,848

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Would you insist plumbers and builders take cards/BACS?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Driver said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Just sold my beloved Mini SUPER black and blue JCW mega car, the car I should've died in at least twice

    A weirdly melancholy moment. Bit like losing a pet

    Don't know how you found space to park it in central London.
    You buy a parking permit! £150 a year from Camden Council

    That was one thing that was easy and non hassly. Plenty of spaces

    It was everything else that was a source of vexation, except when I was driving it and grooving at the rortiness
    I used to drive 50,000 miles in the UK every year, working for a company that sold IT to pubs and restaurants.

    The only time I ever had my car towed, was on the Parkway in Camden. Cost me £155 to get it back, and my company would only pay half of it. A load of very confusing signs, that the paid parking finishes at 4pm, after which time it becomes a no waiting zone. The ticket was written at 16:02, and the removal happened at 16:16. It’s two miles’ walk, in the rain as it happened, wearing a suit, from Parkway to the Kentish Town car pound.

    Edit: special mention to Westminster, where the metered spaces are free after 18:30, but the single yellows are valid until 19:00. A ticket timed at 18:58 on a single yellow, for £80. Yet no signs on each yellow, you’re supposed to know that as you enter the ‘zone’.
    Hate to tell you this now but you could have got the 88 (or C2 as it was probably then) from Parkway and it would have dropped you off 400 yards from the pound.
    But sadly I had no means to pay for a bus, my wallet being (unusually) in the glovebox of the car!
    Oh f**k.

    But never ever leave your wallet on the car....
    But this was Camden in about 2005. The advise (from the customer) was not to walk down the street with your wallet in your back pocket. Sadly he didn’t give any advise on the damn parkway parking.
    I'm amazed that anyone ever does. Front pocket on jeans, inside jacket pocket if I'm wearing a suit.
    I'm amazed that anyone carries a wallet at all. They are completely unnecessary.
    To keep your huge wad of £10 notes in, obviously.
    (Please ignore - don't want to re-ignite you on your cash v. card stuff again).
    Also (checks):
    Loyalty card for butcher
    Chester zoo membership cards for the whole family
    Stamps
    Massive bundle of receipts dating back years
    Voucher for a free coffee at local coffee shop
    National Trust membership card
    Travel pass
    Green Flag membership card
    Professional membership card
    £250
    A couple of business cards with hastily scribbled details on them.
    Blood donor card
    Dentist's appointment card
    Credit card which is out of date but can be used for scraping the ice off windscreens

    Some of these possibly have equivalents on the phone. But these necessitate battery and glasses. And indeed phone.
    Precisely...he is happy to throw anyone under the bus that does not want to carry a tracking device around with them
    Give over you angry wally.

    If Cookie wants to carry all that shite around with him, then let him.

    But try going wallet free – you won't miss it. Liberating.
    You are the idiot always going on about no one needs a wallet. I am happy to let you have your phone fantasy life. I do not complain about it or say it shouldn't happen. You are the only one that keeps advocating a cash free society moron
    I can assure you that wallets are unnecessary – provably so because I binned mine two years ago and I have never needed it anywhere I have gone, and I travel quite a lot.

    As you haven't even tried it, how do you know otherwise?

    I guess you are one of those awkward people at restaurants who declare their don't like foods despite having never tried them.
    I don't try it because I don't take my tracking device out the house, nor do I let the government know by use of card what I am spending money on. I don't object to your lifestyle is my point....apparently you object to mine by keep pushing you no one needs a wallet line.....fuck off and take your head out of your arse.....I don't ask for your way of life to be stopped your pushing your way of life asks for mine to be banned. This is why you are an ignorant moron. We don't all want to live our lives like you do. I am happy with live and let live whereas you keep on pushing your lifestyle on the unwilling.
    Can you point to the post where I called for wallets to be banned?

    In short: put up or shut up.
    You keep pushing the we don't need physical cash line...have you come out and said ban it no you haven't but that is the implication
    Why is it? I think jigsaw puzzles are pointless wastes of space too but I am not advocating banning them.

    I note above that @Casino_Royale is doing the banning – the banning of cash-free retailers. If they don't want to accept cash, up to them.
    Quite the opposite. I don't want people excluded from trade who don't have smartphones or who aren't comfortable/able to use cards.

    It's about inclusion, something I'd have thought you'd instinctively favour.
    Would you insist buses take cash?
    Yes, if people want to use it.

    Either it's legal tender or it's not. If it's legal tender then the bus driver has to accept it.
    No, he doesn't. As evidenced by three million public transport journeys made every day, cashlessly, in London.
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