A Hollywood friend has suggested far from being excluded from the new Harry Potter series, JK Rowling is going to have a very large influence on the setting, casting and ensuring that the show runners don't stray too far from the original plot. HBO are said to be comfortable with it after their success with The Last Of Us which followed the same template with Neil Druckmann taking the a lead role in bringing the series to life.
2025 seems like the the date when the first season will be released and the main roles will be filled by the end of this year with British actors and actresses being preferred as they were for the movies. There was a rumour that WB wanted to shift the setting to a US high school rather than wizard Eton and that's what was holding up the announcement because Rowling was adamant that any new series would have to stick to the original story or not be done at all.
It was an interesting lunch!
It was a surprising announcement, given all the recent controversies around the author. I guess that either HBO have been talking to Rowling for years to get this project off the ground, or they judge that the controversy will pass, and if they don’t do it now then someone else will.
The Budweiser boycott in the States, is an indication that perhaps the tide is starting to turn on companies bending over backwards to support the woke activism of their younger employees.
A pedant notes: JKR has almost certainly never said anything that anyonr but a fringe lunatic would find controversial. She's onoy controversial because fringe lunatics have declared her so
Thing is if the lagered up crowd get hold of the protesters then it's goodnight Vienna.
Might be a good impromptu fight betting opportunity if an enterprising bookie gets onto it. My money would be on the pissheads. An empty Carling bottle beats a mung bean dip everytime.
In a more brutal world they would just line the horses up in front of the protesters and shoot them and point out to the protesters that if the horses can’t race then there is no reason for them to live.
A Hollywood friend has suggested far from being excluded from the new Harry Potter series, JK Rowling is going to have a very large influence on the setting, casting and ensuring that the show runners don't stray too far from the original plot. HBO are said to be comfortable with it after their success with The Last Of Us which followed the same template with Neil Druckmann taking the a lead role in bringing the series to life.
2025 seems like the the date when the first season will be released and the main roles will be filled by the end of this year with British actors and actresses being preferred as they were for the movies. There was a rumour that WB wanted to shift the setting to a US high school rather than wizard Eton and that's what was holding up the announcement because Rowling was adamant that any new series would have to stick to the original story or not be done at all.
It was an interesting lunch!
It was a surprising announcement, given all the recent controversies around the author. I guess that either HBO have been talking to Rowling for years to get this project off the ground, or they judge that the controversy will pass, and if they don’t do it now then someone else will.
The Budweiser boycott in the States, is an indication that perhaps the tide is starting to turn on companies bending over backwards to support the woke activism of their younger employees.
A pedant notes: JKR has almost certainly never said anything that anyonr but a fringe lunatic would find controversial. She's onoy controversial because fringe lunatics have declared her so
Not so.
People believe that their gender is wholly up to themselves and should not be up for debate. Hence the "no debate" stance.
Imagine if a committee was required to decide which football team you supported and unless they said so you couldn't support Arsenal.
I think at this time it is sensible to discuss everything but there is a coherent "no debate" argument even if you disagree with it.
In a more brutal world they would just line the horses up in front of the protesters and shoot them and point out to the protesters that if the horses can’t race then there is no reason for them to live.
In a more brutal world they would just line the horses up in front of the protesters and shoot them and point out to the protesters that if the horses can’t race then there is no reason for them to live.
I thought for a moment by 'them' you meant the protestors.
In a more brutal world they would just line the horses up in front of the protesters and shoot them and point out to the protesters that if the horses can’t race then there is no reason for them to live.
In a more brutal world they would just line the horses up in front of the protesters and shoot them and point out to the protesters that if the horses can’t race then there is no reason for them to live.
I thought for a moment by 'them' you meant the protestors.
On race horses enjoying racing: I once had a conversation with a biologist after a book signing which got on to the subject of athletes, and I asked him why humans have massively increased their running records over the past century but horses have managed only minuscule improvements. As he pointed out, horses have evolved running at speed over millions of years, whereas we haven't. He went on to say that for horses, running is about escaping predators, so when horses run together - for example, in a horse race - those millions of years of evolution are telling each horse not to be last, or they'll get eaten. And, in his words, every physiological thing that jockeys and trainers say is a sign a horse enjoys it, is actually a sign of stress. They're basically terrified. The only time a horse enjoys running is alone, at not much more than a canter.
Do memories plague their ears like flies? They shake their heads. Dusk brims the shadows. Summer by summer all stole away, The starting-gates, the crowd and cries - All but the unmolesting meadows. Almanacked, their names live; they
Have slipped their names, and stand at ease, Or gallop for what must be joy, And not a fieldglass sees them home, Or curious stop-watch prophesies : Only the grooms, and the grooms boy, With bridles in the evening come.
Larkin of course.
Larkin is so strangely brilliant
‘Dusk brims the shadows’ doesn’t actually make that much sense, but it is so powerfully evocative of a warm rural twilight - and of the slow contented end of life
Stunning enjambment between the two stanzas as well. Suggests the speed of the race, and then the line literally comes to a standstill. This is Larkin at his very best.
One of THE great English poets, to my mind. Up there with Keats and Byron and Milton
Yes. Astonishing. The last of of tradition of great poetry for the ordinary reader (not academics) about actual real stuff, written with scrupulous care and genius - even more than Keats is. Clare, Hardy, Edward Thomas, Betjeman (despite weaknesses) and Larkin. And the death of Larkin ended a tradition as surely as the death of Shostakovich.
Larkin renders so many poets unreadable for their imprecision, lack of anything to say and inattention to form.
Poetry is also ultra-WOKE now. What gets you published is your level of intersectional oppression, not whether you are any good. Which is the death of any art (tho poetry probably died with Larkin and Plath, anyway)
Surely ultra-woke poetry, is something that ChatGPT would have no problem churning out, volumes at a time?
In a more brutal world they would just line the horses up in front of the protesters and shoot them and point out to the protesters that if the horses can’t race then there is no reason for them to live.
In a more brutal world they would just line the horses up in front of the protesters and shoot them and point out to the protesters that if the horses can’t race then there is no reason for them to live.
The Silverstone protestors got suspended sentences and community service.
These disruptions are going to continue, until either they start getting time, or start getting killed or injured with their increasingly dangerous stunts.
On race horses enjoying racing: I once had a conversation with a biologist after a book signing which got on to the subject of athletes, and I asked him why humans have massively increased their running records over the past century but horses have managed only minuscule improvements. As he pointed out, horses have evolved running at speed over millions of years, whereas we haven't. He went on to say that for horses, running is about escaping predators, so when horses run together - for example, in a horse race - those millions of years of evolution are telling each horse not to be last, or they'll get eaten. And, in his words, every physiological thing that jockeys and trainers say is a sign a horse enjoys it, is actually a sign of stress. They're basically terrified. The only time a horse enjoys running is alone, at not much more than a canter.
Do memories plague their ears like flies? They shake their heads. Dusk brims the shadows. Summer by summer all stole away, The starting-gates, the crowd and cries - All but the unmolesting meadows. Almanacked, their names live; they
Have slipped their names, and stand at ease, Or gallop for what must be joy, And not a fieldglass sees them home, Or curious stop-watch prophesies : Only the grooms, and the grooms boy, With bridles in the evening come.
Larkin of course.
Larkin is so strangely brilliant
‘Dusk brims the shadows’ doesn’t actually make that much sense, but it is so powerfully evocative of a warm rural twilight - and of the slow contented end of life
Stunning enjambment between the two stanzas as well. Suggests the speed of the race, and then the line literally comes to a standstill. This is Larkin at his very best.
One of THE great English poets, to my mind. Up there with Keats and Byron and Milton
Yes. Astonishing. The last of of tradition of great poetry for the ordinary reader (not academics) about actual real stuff, written with scrupulous care and genius - even more than Keats is. Clare, Hardy, Edward Thomas, Betjeman (despite weaknesses) and Larkin. And the death of Larkin ended a tradition as surely as the death of Shostakovich.
Larkin renders so many poets unreadable for their imprecision, lack of anything to say and inattention to form.
Poetry is also ultra-WOKE now. What gets you published is your level of intersectional oppression, not whether you are any good. Which is the death of any art (tho poetry probably died with Larkin and Plath, anyway)
Surely ultra-woke poetry, is something that ChatGPT would have no problem churning out, volumes at a time?
Oooh good idea. I'll give it a spin
Can I vote that you don't?
EDIT - I see I'm too late.
I'm sparing you the poem where ChatGPT went into great detail about a forbidden love affair between a senior Scottish political executive and the gay campervan. In a car park in Dundee
ChatGPT will say lots of stuff it shouldn't say, if you ask it to do it in the form of a poem
On race horses enjoying racing: I once had a conversation with a biologist after a book signing which got on to the subject of athletes, and I asked him why humans have massively increased their running records over the past century but horses have managed only minuscule improvements. As he pointed out, horses have evolved running at speed over millions of years, whereas we haven't. He went on to say that for horses, running is about escaping predators, so when horses run together - for example, in a horse race - those millions of years of evolution are telling each horse not to be last, or they'll get eaten. And, in his words, every physiological thing that jockeys and trainers say is a sign a horse enjoys it, is actually a sign of stress. They're basically terrified. The only time a horse enjoys running is alone, at not much more than a canter.
Do memories plague their ears like flies? They shake their heads. Dusk brims the shadows. Summer by summer all stole away, The starting-gates, the crowd and cries - All but the unmolesting meadows. Almanacked, their names live; they
Have slipped their names, and stand at ease, Or gallop for what must be joy, And not a fieldglass sees them home, Or curious stop-watch prophesies : Only the grooms, and the grooms boy, With bridles in the evening come.
Larkin of course.
Larkin is so strangely brilliant
‘Dusk brims the shadows’ doesn’t actually make that much sense, but it is so powerfully evocative of a warm rural twilight - and of the slow contented end of life
Stunning enjambment between the two stanzas as well. Suggests the speed of the race, and then the line literally comes to a standstill. This is Larkin at his very best.
One of THE great English poets, to my mind. Up there with Keats and Byron and Milton
Yes. Astonishing. The last of of tradition of great poetry for the ordinary reader (not academics) about actual real stuff, written with scrupulous care and genius - even more than Keats is. Clare, Hardy, Edward Thomas, Betjeman (despite weaknesses) and Larkin. And the death of Larkin ended a tradition as surely as the death of Shostakovich.
Larkin renders so many poets unreadable for their imprecision, lack of anything to say and inattention to form.
Poetry is also ultra-WOKE now. What gets you published is your level of intersectional oppression, not whether you are any good. Which is the death of any art (tho poetry probably died with Larkin and Plath, anyway)
Surely ultra-woke poetry, is something that ChatGPT would have no problem churning out, volumes at a time?
Oooh good idea. I'll give it a spin
Can I vote that you don't?
EDIT - I see I'm too late.
I'm sparing you the poem where ChatGPT went into great detail about a forbidden love affair between a senior Scottish political executive and the gay campervan. In a car park in Dundee
ChatGPT will say lots of stuff it shouldn't say, if you ask it to do it in the form of a poem
I'm intrigued. How can you have an affair with a campervan?
On race horses enjoying racing: I once had a conversation with a biologist after a book signing which got on to the subject of athletes, and I asked him why humans have massively increased their running records over the past century but horses have managed only minuscule improvements. As he pointed out, horses have evolved running at speed over millions of years, whereas we haven't. He went on to say that for horses, running is about escaping predators, so when horses run together - for example, in a horse race - those millions of years of evolution are telling each horse not to be last, or they'll get eaten. And, in his words, every physiological thing that jockeys and trainers say is a sign a horse enjoys it, is actually a sign of stress. They're basically terrified. The only time a horse enjoys running is alone, at not much more than a canter.
Do memories plague their ears like flies? They shake their heads. Dusk brims the shadows. Summer by summer all stole away, The starting-gates, the crowd and cries - All but the unmolesting meadows. Almanacked, their names live; they
Have slipped their names, and stand at ease, Or gallop for what must be joy, And not a fieldglass sees them home, Or curious stop-watch prophesies : Only the grooms, and the grooms boy, With bridles in the evening come.
Larkin of course.
Larkin is so strangely brilliant
‘Dusk brims the shadows’ doesn’t actually make that much sense, but it is so powerfully evocative of a warm rural twilight - and of the slow contented end of life
Stunning enjambment between the two stanzas as well. Suggests the speed of the race, and then the line literally comes to a standstill. This is Larkin at his very best.
One of THE great English poets, to my mind. Up there with Keats and Byron and Milton
Yes. Astonishing. The last of of tradition of great poetry for the ordinary reader (not academics) about actual real stuff, written with scrupulous care and genius - even more than Keats is. Clare, Hardy, Edward Thomas, Betjeman (despite weaknesses) and Larkin. And the death of Larkin ended a tradition as surely as the death of Shostakovich.
Larkin renders so many poets unreadable for their imprecision, lack of anything to say and inattention to form.
Poetry is also ultra-WOKE now. What gets you published is your level of intersectional oppression, not whether you are any good. Which is the death of any art (tho poetry probably died with Larkin and Plath, anyway)
Surely ultra-woke poetry, is something that ChatGPT would have no problem churning out, volumes at a time?
Oooh good idea. I'll give it a spin
Can I vote that you don't?
EDIT - I see I'm too late.
I'm sparing you the poem where ChatGPT went into great detail about a forbidden love affair between a senior Scottish political executive and the gay campervan. In a car park in Dundee
ChatGPT will say lots of stuff it shouldn't say, if you ask it to do it in the form of a poem
I'm intrigued. How can you have an affair with a campervan?
ChatGPT worked it out. They ran off to the Trossachs together
On race horses enjoying racing: I once had a conversation with a biologist after a book signing which got on to the subject of athletes, and I asked him why humans have massively increased their running records over the past century but horses have managed only minuscule improvements. As he pointed out, horses have evolved running at speed over millions of years, whereas we haven't. He went on to say that for horses, running is about escaping predators, so when horses run together - for example, in a horse race - those millions of years of evolution are telling each horse not to be last, or they'll get eaten. And, in his words, every physiological thing that jockeys and trainers say is a sign a horse enjoys it, is actually a sign of stress. They're basically terrified. The only time a horse enjoys running is alone, at not much more than a canter.
Do memories plague their ears like flies? They shake their heads. Dusk brims the shadows. Summer by summer all stole away, The starting-gates, the crowd and cries - All but the unmolesting meadows. Almanacked, their names live; they
Have slipped their names, and stand at ease, Or gallop for what must be joy, And not a fieldglass sees them home, Or curious stop-watch prophesies : Only the grooms, and the grooms boy, With bridles in the evening come.
Larkin of course.
Larkin is so strangely brilliant
‘Dusk brims the shadows’ doesn’t actually make that much sense, but it is so powerfully evocative of a warm rural twilight - and of the slow contented end of life
Stunning enjambment between the two stanzas as well. Suggests the speed of the race, and then the line literally comes to a standstill. This is Larkin at his very best.
One of THE great English poets, to my mind. Up there with Keats and Byron and Milton
Yes. Astonishing. The last of of tradition of great poetry for the ordinary reader (not academics) about actual real stuff, written with scrupulous care and genius - even more than Keats is. Clare, Hardy, Edward Thomas, Betjeman (despite weaknesses) and Larkin. And the death of Larkin ended a tradition as surely as the death of Shostakovich.
Larkin renders so many poets unreadable for their imprecision, lack of anything to say and inattention to form.
Poetry is also ultra-WOKE now. What gets you published is your level of intersectional oppression, not whether you are any good. Which is the death of any art (tho poetry probably died with Larkin and Plath, anyway)
Surely ultra-woke poetry, is something that ChatGPT would have no problem churning out, volumes at a time?
Oooh good idea. I'll give it a spin
Can I vote that you don't?
EDIT - I see I'm too late.
I'm sparing you the poem where ChatGPT went into great detail about a forbidden love affair between a senior Scottish political executive and the gay campervan. In a car park in Dundee
ChatGPT will say lots of stuff it shouldn't say, if you ask it to do it in the form of a poem
I'm intrigued. How can you have an affair with a campervan?
On race horses enjoying racing: I once had a conversation with a biologist after a book signing which got on to the subject of athletes, and I asked him why humans have massively increased their running records over the past century but horses have managed only minuscule improvements. As he pointed out, horses have evolved running at speed over millions of years, whereas we haven't. He went on to say that for horses, running is about escaping predators, so when horses run together - for example, in a horse race - those millions of years of evolution are telling each horse not to be last, or they'll get eaten. And, in his words, every physiological thing that jockeys and trainers say is a sign a horse enjoys it, is actually a sign of stress. They're basically terrified. The only time a horse enjoys running is alone, at not much more than a canter.
Do memories plague their ears like flies? They shake their heads. Dusk brims the shadows. Summer by summer all stole away, The starting-gates, the crowd and cries - All but the unmolesting meadows. Almanacked, their names live; they
Have slipped their names, and stand at ease, Or gallop for what must be joy, And not a fieldglass sees them home, Or curious stop-watch prophesies : Only the grooms, and the grooms boy, With bridles in the evening come.
Larkin of course.
Larkin is so strangely brilliant
‘Dusk brims the shadows’ doesn’t actually make that much sense, but it is so powerfully evocative of a warm rural twilight - and of the slow contented end of life
Stunning enjambment between the two stanzas as well. Suggests the speed of the race, and then the line literally comes to a standstill. This is Larkin at his very best.
One of THE great English poets, to my mind. Up there with Keats and Byron and Milton
Yes. Astonishing. The last of of tradition of great poetry for the ordinary reader (not academics) about actual real stuff, written with scrupulous care and genius - even more than Keats is. Clare, Hardy, Edward Thomas, Betjeman (despite weaknesses) and Larkin. And the death of Larkin ended a tradition as surely as the death of Shostakovich.
Larkin renders so many poets unreadable for their imprecision, lack of anything to say and inattention to form.
Poetry is also ultra-WOKE now. What gets you published is your level of intersectional oppression, not whether you are any good. Which is the death of any art (tho poetry probably died with Larkin and Plath, anyway)
Surely ultra-woke poetry, is something that ChatGPT would have no problem churning out, volumes at a time?
Oooh good idea. I'll give it a spin
Can I vote that you don't?
EDIT - I see I'm too late.
I'm sparing you the poem where ChatGPT went into great detail about a forbidden love affair between a senior Scottish political executive and the gay campervan. In a car park in Dundee
ChatGPT will say lots of stuff it shouldn't say, if you ask it to do it in the form of a poem
I'm intrigued. How can you have an affair with a campervan?
ChatGPT worked it out. They ran off to the Trossachs together
On race horses enjoying racing: I once had a conversation with a biologist after a book signing which got on to the subject of athletes, and I asked him why humans have massively increased their running records over the past century but horses have managed only minuscule improvements. As he pointed out, horses have evolved running at speed over millions of years, whereas we haven't. He went on to say that for horses, running is about escaping predators, so when horses run together - for example, in a horse race - those millions of years of evolution are telling each horse not to be last, or they'll get eaten. And, in his words, every physiological thing that jockeys and trainers say is a sign a horse enjoys it, is actually a sign of stress. They're basically terrified. The only time a horse enjoys running is alone, at not much more than a canter.
Do memories plague their ears like flies? They shake their heads. Dusk brims the shadows. Summer by summer all stole away, The starting-gates, the crowd and cries - All but the unmolesting meadows. Almanacked, their names live; they
Have slipped their names, and stand at ease, Or gallop for what must be joy, And not a fieldglass sees them home, Or curious stop-watch prophesies : Only the grooms, and the grooms boy, With bridles in the evening come.
Larkin of course.
Larkin is so strangely brilliant
‘Dusk brims the shadows’ doesn’t actually make that much sense, but it is so powerfully evocative of a warm rural twilight - and of the slow contented end of life
Stunning enjambment between the two stanzas as well. Suggests the speed of the race, and then the line literally comes to a standstill. This is Larkin at his very best.
One of THE great English poets, to my mind. Up there with Keats and Byron and Milton
Yes. Astonishing. The last of of tradition of great poetry for the ordinary reader (not academics) about actual real stuff, written with scrupulous care and genius - even more than Keats is. Clare, Hardy, Edward Thomas, Betjeman (despite weaknesses) and Larkin. And the death of Larkin ended a tradition as surely as the death of Shostakovich.
Larkin renders so many poets unreadable for their imprecision, lack of anything to say and inattention to form.
Poetry is also ultra-WOKE now. What gets you published is your level of intersectional oppression, not whether you are any good. Which is the death of any art (tho poetry probably died with Larkin and Plath, anyway)
Surely ultra-woke poetry, is something that ChatGPT would have no problem churning out, volumes at a time?
Oooh good idea. I'll give it a spin
Can I vote that you don't?
EDIT - I see I'm too late.
I'm sparing you the poem where ChatGPT went into great detail about a forbidden love affair between a senior Scottish political executive and the gay campervan. In a car park in Dundee
ChatGPT will say lots of stuff it shouldn't say, if you ask it to do it in the form of a poem
I'm intrigued. How can you have an affair with a campervan?
Same way you would with a butch van.
For my comment, les bien pensant replies would have been more.
A Hollywood friend has suggested far from being excluded from the new Harry Potter series, JK Rowling is going to have a very large influence on the setting, casting and ensuring that the show runners don't stray too far from the original plot. HBO are said to be comfortable with it after their success with The Last Of Us which followed the same template with Neil Druckmann taking the a lead role in bringing the series to life.
2025 seems like the the date when the first season will be released and the main roles will be filled by the end of this year with British actors and actresses being preferred as they were for the movies. There was a rumour that WB wanted to shift the setting to a US high school rather than wizard Eton and that's what was holding up the announcement because Rowling was adamant that any new series would have to stick to the original story or not be done at all.
It was an interesting lunch!
It was a surprising announcement, given all the recent controversies around the author. I guess that either HBO have been talking to Rowling for years to get this project off the ground, or they judge that the controversy will pass, and if they don’t do it now then someone else will.
The Budweiser boycott in the States, is an indication that perhaps the tide is starting to turn on companies bending over backwards to support the woke activism of their younger employees.
As I understand it, JKR has either been extremely well advised or is very business savvy.
It is apparently somewhere between difficult and impossible to make Harry Potter universe products without her OK, due to the rights she retained
Most 'creators' are not that wealthy and will sell the rights to their work. In her case she'd already made bucketloads of cash so why not maintain control?
As I understand it, she made very good deals from day 1 - when she was quite poor.
protestors got a point to be honest, these poor horses
Yes, this is the first time I've watched the National in YEARS, and for the first time it struck me: actually, this has a hint of cruelty. Maybe more than a hint
The Silverstone protestors got suspended sentences and community service.
These disruptions are going to continue, until either they start getting time, or start getting killed or injured with their increasingly dangerous stunts.
protestors got a point to be honest, these poor horses
Yes, this is the first time I've watched the National in YEARS, and for the first time it struck me: actually, this has a hint of cruelty. Maybe more than a hint
I have to agree there. Call me woke if you want (whatever that means), but I do see the point of the protests/protestors.
protestors got a point to be honest, these poor horses
Getting the horses more wound up before the start will have increased the chance of a fall
Mate they weren't wound up. They went from the pre-parade to the parade back to the pre-parade, went down and jumped off. No on course parade, and they only took a couple of turns beforehand.
Let's hope that horse that fell at the first is winded but it was the first fence.
The Silverstone protestors got suspended sentences and community service.
These disruptions are going to continue, until either they start getting time, or start getting killed or injured with their increasingly dangerous stunts.
Not too bad - hopefully ROI MAGE has finished seventh and with that and GALLIARD DU MESNIL I’ve made a few pounds on the each way betting.
A bit of deja vu - CORACH RAMBLER has done this year what NOBLE YEATS did last and come in as a fast improving horse off an attractive weight and aided by the drying ground has won well. VANILLIER ran home strongly for second.
The winner will be at least 10 lbs higher if they go for a repeat in 2024 and as we saw with NOBLE YEATS will be vulnerable to something off a light weight.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
protestors got a point to be honest, these poor horses
Yes, this is the first time I've watched the National in YEARS, and for the first time it struck me: actually, this has a hint of cruelty. Maybe more than a hint
I have to agree there. Call me woke if you want (whatever that means), but I do see the point of the protests/protestors.
I am definitely not Woke on this stuff - I've no problem with most forms of hunting and fishing, as long as it has a real purpose (to acquire food or kill vermin) - but that's the first time watching the National has made me a little uneasy
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’ welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’a welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
Er what? I find horse racing incredibly boring and hardly ever watch it. Dunno about any rules. That's the first race I've watched, of any kind, in a decade maybe. When I was a kid/teen I would always watch the National but only coz everyone would have a bet. Then I went to uni and that stopped
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
What a shitshow. Two horses died over 3 days at earlier races, plus however many don't make it today. This is an acceptable bit of fun? Did the delay upset the horses? I don't know, I haven't seen it, but you can't put this on the protests. Racing the beasts to death is on the owners and jockeys.
protestors got a point to be honest, these poor horses
Yes, this is the first time I've watched the National in YEARS, and for the first time it struck me: actually, this has a hint of cruelty. Maybe more than a hint
I have to agree there. Call me woke if you want (whatever that means), but I do see the point of the protests/protestors.
I am definitely not Woke on this stuff - I've no problem with most forms of hunting and fishing, as long as it has a real purpose (to acquire food or kill vermin) - but that's the first time watching the National has made me a little uneasy
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
the jockey was whipping the horse as it was in the home straight. Disgusting.
protestors got a point to be honest, these poor horses
Yes, this is the first time I've watched the National in YEARS, and for the first time it struck me: actually, this has a hint of cruelty. Maybe more than a hint
I have to agree there. Call me woke if you want (whatever that means), but I do see the point of the protests/protestors.
I am definitely not Woke on this stuff - I've no problem with most forms of hunting and fishing, as long as it has a real purpose (to acquire food or kill vermin) - but that's the first time watching the National has made me a little uneasy
The protesters succeeded. They drew attention to the possible cruelty of the race so we all were more highly attuned to any occurrence of it. And the first few fences were a very bad advertisement for the sport.
The BHA, if you're interested, is very aware of this and the challenges they, that horse racing faces.
The protestors have absolutely zero point as all the commentators and trainers made perfectly clear by highlighting their absolute ignorance before the race.
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’a welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Your arse in parsley, absolute nutjob
Discomforting any animal for any reason other than to destroy pests or to eat it (in both of which cases I kill them quickly and efficiently and expect others to do the same) is just indefensible.
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’ welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Frustratedly reduced to posting on here since you couldn't get round the police cordon and over the fence then?
What a shitshow. Two horses died over 3 days at earlier races, plus however many don't make it today. This is an acceptable bit of fun? Did the delay upset the horses? I don't know, I haven't seen it, but you can't put this on the protests. Racing the beasts to death is on the owners and jockeys.
Make the jockeys share the fate of their horses and that'd make them more careful.
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’ welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Wrong. Or rather you don't know. Race horses have a fantastic life compared with, say, cows. But they are made to undertake activities which can present a threat to their well-being.
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’ welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
In a more brutal world they would just line the horses up in front of the protesters and shoot them and point out to the protesters that if the horses can’t race then there is no reason for them to live.
The protestors have absolutely zero point as all the commentators and trainers made perfectly clear by highlighting their absolute ignorance before the race.
Huzzah for the Grand National!
who's ignorance, the protestors, the trainers or yours?
protestors got a point to be honest, these poor horses
Yes, this is the first time I've watched the National in YEARS, and for the first time it struck me: actually, this has a hint of cruelty. Maybe more than a hint
I have to agree there. Call me woke if you want (whatever that means), but I do see the point of the protests/protestors.
I am definitely not Woke on this stuff - I've no problem with most forms of hunting and fishing, as long as it has a real purpose (to acquire food or kill vermin) - but that's the first time watching the National has made me a little uneasy
The protesters succeeded. They drew attention to the possible cruelty of the race so we all were more highly attuned to any occurrence of it. And the first few fences were a very bad advertisement for the sport.
The BHA, if you're interested, is very aware of this and the challenges they, that horse racing faces.
I don't especially care either way. I'm just giving you the honest opinion of someone with no interest in racing who hasn't seen it in ages, and to my surprise I felt uncomfortable. Is all
BUT there are many many bigger issues of animal welfare that deserve much more attention
Think of that explosion in America that killed 18,000 cows. If one explosion can kill 18,000 cows what kind of conditions are they living in???
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’ welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Frustratedly reduced to posting on here since you couldn't get round the police cordon and over the fence then?
Poor you.
No I think the protestors are a disgrace as they increased the discomfort of the horses. It is possible to disapprove of more than one group at once.
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’ welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
I doubt it unless it was an Andulucian fighting bull.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
Er what? I find horse racing incredibly boring and hardly ever watch it. Dunno about any rules. That's the first race I've watched, of any kind, in a decade maybe. When I was a kid/teen I would always watch the National but only coz everyone would have a bet. Then I went to uni and that stopped
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
As I said you were influenced by wokeism as espoused by the protesters.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit their horses, with heavily padded "whips", seven times over the course of the race. So you only noticed it because you were looking for issues.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
the jockey was whipping the horse as it was in the home straight. Disgusting.
Unlikely I'll have to take a look at it again. It's a heavily padded stick. And he could only use it seven times. So get over yourself a bit.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
Er what? I find horse racing incredibly boring and hardly ever watch it. Dunno about any rules. That's the first race I've watched, of any kind, in a decade maybe. When I was a kid/teen I would always watch the National but only coz everyone would have a bet. Then I went to uni and that stopped
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
As I said you were influenced by wokeism as espoused by the protesters.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit their horses, with heavily padded "whips", seven times over the course of the race. So you only noticed it because you were looking for issues.
Not too say that is a bad thing.
I personally don't file "awareness of animal welfare" under Wokery
But you are probably right, the protestors made me look for it, without me realising
The protestors have absolutely zero point as all the commentators and trainers made perfectly clear by highlighting their absolute ignorance before the race.
Huzzah for the Grand National!
who's ignorance, the protestors, the trainers or yours?
The protesters. They were directly responsible for what happened for making that race more dangerous by disrupting the build up and horses that were ready to race.
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’a welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Your arse in parsley, absolute nutjob
Discomforting any animal for any reason other than to destroy pests or to eat it (in both of which cases I kill them quickly and efficiently and expect others to do the same) is just indefensible.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
Er what? I find horse racing incredibly boring and hardly ever watch it. Dunno about any rules. That's the first race I've watched, of any kind, in a decade maybe. When I was a kid/teen I would always watch the National but only coz everyone would have a bet. Then I went to uni and that stopped
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
As I said you were influenced by wokeism as espoused by the protesters.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit their horses, with heavily padded "whips", seven times over the course of the race. So you only noticed it because you were looking for issues.
Not too say that is a bad thing.
...for God's sake will somebody tell me what Woke means?........
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’ welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Frustratedly reduced to posting on here since you couldn't get round the police cordon and over the fence then?
Poor you.
No I think the protestors are a disgrace as they increased the discomfort of the horses. It is possible to disapprove of more than one group at once.
It's just idiotic to say that beef cows are treated better, and a position of plain ignorance.
Go and visit how race horses are treated if you want to see how well they're looked after.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
the jockey was whipping the horse as it was in the home straight. Disgusting.
Unlikely I'll have to take a look at it again. It's a heavily padded stick. And he could only use it seven times. So get over yourself a bit.
No, @Daveyboy1961 is right. There was a jockey whipping a horse (the winner, I think?) in the home straight. That's where I noticed it
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Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
Er what? I find horse racing incredibly boring and hardly ever watch it. Dunno about any rules. That's the first race I've watched, of any kind, in a decade maybe. When I was a kid/teen I would always watch the National but only coz everyone would have a bet. Then I went to uni and that stopped
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
As I said you were influenced by wokeism as espoused by the protesters.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit their horses, with heavily padded "whips", seven times over the course of the race. So you only noticed it because you were looking for issues.
Not too say that is a bad thing.
...for God's sake will somebody tell me what Woke means?........
Don't ask. It's very boring and you'd fall asleep.
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’ welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Frustratedly reduced to posting on here since you couldn't get round the police cordon and over the fence then?
Poor you.
No I think the protestors are a disgrace as they increased the discomfort of the horses. It is possible to disapprove of more than one group at once.
how did they increase the discomfort of the horses? They never got anywhere near them.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
Er what? I find horse racing incredibly boring and hardly ever watch it. Dunno about any rules. That's the first race I've watched, of any kind, in a decade maybe. When I was a kid/teen I would always watch the National but only coz everyone would have a bet. Then I went to uni and that stopped
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
As I said you were influenced by wokeism as espoused by the protesters.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit their horses, with heavily padded "whips", seven times over the course of the race. So you only noticed it because you were looking for issues.
Not too say that is a bad thing.
I personally don't file "awareness of animal welfare" under Wokery
But you are probably right, the protestors made me look for it, without me realising
The BHA is very aware of the need for a social license to operate for racing. If it is withdrawn then that's it for racing. Hence there change in the whip rules recently.
If the public decides that it won't put up with racing then that will be it.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
the jockey was whipping the horse as it was in the home straight. Disgusting.
Unlikely I'll have to take a look at it again. It's a heavily padded stick. And he could only use it seven times. So get over yourself a bit.
No, @Daveyboy1961 is right. There was a jockey whipping a horse (the winner, I think?) in the home straight. That's where I noticed it
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’a welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
Your arse in parsley, absolute nutjob
Discomforting any animal for any reason other than to destroy pests or to eat it (in both of which cases I kill them quickly and efficiently and expect others to do the same) is just indefensible.
So no pets at all then. Fair enough.
As it happens I think many dogs are mistreated (left alone many days and generally not allowed a pack) but I accept many owners at least try. Cats are, of course, the spawn of satan and given what they do in my garden, I put them in the category of pests.
Put bluntly, if you enjoy horse racing you have to be honest and admit you don’t care about the horses’ welfare. A legitimate position to take, just not one I can endorse.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
I doubt it unless it was an Andulucian fighting bull.
Yes. Andalucian fighting bulls have absolutely blissful lives, the best food, near total freedom, no interference from people, then they die fairly quickly and cleanly in the arena, compared to the cruel hours that most cattle suffer before they even reach the horrors of the slaughterhouse
It is one of the great ironies of the argument for and against bullfighting
The protestors have absolutely zero point as all the commentators and trainers made perfectly clear by highlighting their absolute ignorance before the race.
Huzzah for the Grand National!
who's ignorance, the protestors, the trainers or yours?
The protesters. They were directly responsible for what happened for making that race more dangerous by disrupting the build up and horses that were ready to race.
Idiots like you need to get a brain.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Behave. Topping I'll listen to, he loves his horses and knows his onions. I'll take his views and expertise on board even if I disagree with the sport. You're just a keyboard warrior who likes an online scrap. You do know that most on here laugh at you? You used to be a good poster, now you're just insane.
The protestors have absolutely zero point as all the commentators and trainers made perfectly clear by highlighting their absolute ignorance before the race.
Huzzah for the Grand National!
who's ignorance, the protestors, the trainers or yours?
The protesters. They were directly responsible for what happened for making that race more dangerous by disrupting the build up and horses that were ready to race.
Idiots like you need to get a brain.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I do have a brain, thank you very much. I also have eyes. The protestors were nowhere near the horses. At worst the horses were delayed. Why is that an issue? Surely you think they enjoyed the day out? The only people who should be ashamed are the ones promoting this cruelty and causing poor animals to either break their necks or causing them to be shot!! Who's the idiot?
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
Er what? I find horse racing incredibly boring and hardly ever watch it. Dunno about any rules. That's the first race I've watched, of any kind, in a decade maybe. When I was a kid/teen I would always watch the National but only coz everyone would have a bet. Then I went to uni and that stopped
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
As I said you were influenced by wokeism as espoused by the protesters.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit their horses, with heavily padded "whips", seven times over the course of the race. So you only noticed it because you were looking for issues.
Not too say that is a bad thing.
...for God's sake will somebody tell me what Woke means?........
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
the jockey was whipping the horse as it was in the home straight. Disgusting.
Unlikely I'll have to take a look at it again. It's a heavily padded stick. And he could only use it seven times. So get over yourself a bit.
No, @Daveyboy1961 is right. There was a jockey whipping a horse (the winner, I think?) in the home straight. That's where I noticed it
Twice. When he thought the second was coming to him.
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
Er what? I find horse racing incredibly boring and hardly ever watch it. Dunno about any rules. That's the first race I've watched, of any kind, in a decade maybe. When I was a kid/teen I would always watch the National but only coz everyone would have a bet. Then I went to uni and that stopped
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
As I said you were influenced by wokeism as espoused by the protesters.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit their horses, with heavily padded "whips", seven times over the course of the race. So you only noticed it because you were looking for issues.
Not too say that is a bad thing.
...for God's sake will somebody tell me what Woke means?........
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
Er what? I find horse racing incredibly boring and hardly ever watch it. Dunno about any rules. That's the first race I've watched, of any kind, in a decade maybe. When I was a kid/teen I would always watch the National but only coz everyone would have a bet. Then I went to uni and that stopped
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
As I said you were influenced by wokeism as espoused by the protesters.
Jockeys are only allowed to hit their horses, with heavily padded "whips", seven times over the course of the race. So you only noticed it because you were looking for issues.
Not too say that is a bad thing.
...for God's sake will somebody tell me what Woke means?........
He hit the horse twice in the run in.
Not the best definition, but I have seen worse on here...
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According to a graph in the article, the current UN projection is that India's population will peak at about 1.7 billion, around 2060.
(As I understand it, India's working age population passed China's some years ago, and will soon be much larger.)
Another year, another set of evidence for banning this cruel sport.
It's the whipping as much as the fences. Hmmm
Okay I'm sure you have been following it closely but to remind you the whip rules have changed many times and were changed a short while ago. How many times did you see the jocks hit their horses on the run in. And with what kind of whip.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
the jockey was whipping the horse as it was in the home straight. Disgusting.
Unlikely I'll have to take a look at it again. It's a heavily padded stick. And he could only use it seven times. So get over yourself a bit.
No, @Daveyboy1961 is right. There was a jockey whipping a horse (the winner, I think?) in the home straight. That's where I noticed it
Twice. When he thought the second was coming to him.
They will have to ban whipping, I suspect (and I am speaking as a neutral!)
It just looks too bad. These days. And surely if they ban the whip for everyone then everyone is equal, so what's the point in allowing it?
The fences are also an issue
I give it 5-10 years before this kind of racing is banned forever
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Protestors on the track at the moment, going to be a delay.
Privileged middle class kids, less so.
People believe that their gender is wholly up to themselves and should not be up for debate. Hence the "no debate" stance.
Imagine if a committee was required to decide which football team you supported and unless they said so you couldn't support Arsenal.
I think at this time it is sensible to discuss everything but there is a coherent "no debate" argument even if you disagree with it.
EDIT - I see I'm too late.
These disruptions are going to continue, until either they start getting time, or start getting killed or injured with their increasingly dangerous stunts.
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But the rest is NSFW and I don't want to get banned
I do like the horses that continue racing even though they've lost their rider.
Hence her current vast wealth.
Will someone kindly explain WTF the Massachusetts Air National Guard needed access to battle plans in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/nblackshoe/status/1647197447691673600
Pity I threw away some winnings, going ew
I mean Écosse.
I mean Scotland!
Let's hope that horse that fell at the first is winded but it was the first fence.
A bit of deja vu - CORACH RAMBLER has done this year what NOBLE YEATS did last and come in as a fast improving horse off an attractive weight and aided by the drying ground has won well. VANILLIER ran home strongly for second.
The winner will be at least 10 lbs higher if they go for a repeat in 2024 and as we saw with NOBLE YEATS will be vulnerable to something off a light weight.
Ban whips and fences.
How many times during the course of the whole race.
The cow that donated my steak later will have been better treated in life.
They were using whips, is all I could see, and to my casual eye it suddenly looked... BAD
Did the delay upset the horses? I don't know, I haven't seen it, but you can't put this on the protests. Racing the beasts to death is on the owners and jockeys.
The BHA, if you're interested, is very aware of this and the challenges they, that horse racing faces.
Huzzah for the Grand National!
Poor you.
Like if people buy a dog or goldfish.
BUT there are many many bigger issues of animal welfare that deserve much more attention
Think of that explosion in America that killed 18,000 cows. If one explosion can kill 18,000 cows what kind of conditions are they living in???
Jockeys are only allowed to hit their horses, with heavily padded "whips", seven times over the course of the race. So you only noticed it because you were looking for issues.
Not to say that is a bad thing.
But you are probably right, the protestors made me look for it, without me realising
Idiots like you need to get a brain.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Go and visit how race horses are treated if you want to see how well they're looked after.
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If the public decides that it won't put up with racing then that will be it.
It is one of the great ironies of the argument for and against bullfighting
I disagree with the sport. You're just a keyboard warrior who likes an online scrap. You do know that most on here laugh at you? You used to be a good poster, now you're just insane.
source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/14/india-china-population-most-populous/
According to a graph in the article, the current UN projection is that India's population will peak at about 1.7 billion, around 2060.
(As I understand it, India's working age population passed China's some years ago, and will soon be much larger.)
It just looks too bad. These days. And surely if they ban the whip for everyone then everyone is equal, so what's the point in allowing it?
The fences are also an issue
I give it 5-10 years before this kind of racing is banned forever