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Sturgeon and SNP – many questions remain – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,218
edited April 2023 in General
imageSturgeon and SNP – many questions remain – politicalbetting.com

There is a very big story to be told but as yet we have very little idea as to what it is. What is extraordinary is that someone who appeared as powerful and very much as part of the furniture as Sturgeon is now being probed in a manner that few could have envisaged a couple of days ago.

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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,443
    Since the desire for independence is in theory, if not always in practice, separate from idolisation of SNP leaders, it might be as well for unionists to play their hands carefully. Too much hubris might prove counterproductive, whereas a return to normal politics might be welcome, where the answer to everything is not to blame London.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited April 2023
    "What did you know and when did you know it?"

    IF (and its a big IF) there is more to this than a simple probe into the SNP's finances, then the damage could be wide ranging. At the moment Mr Murrell has been released without charge, and the matter may go no further. However, the political implications could extend well beyond the Murrell household:

    SNP voters 'duped' into backing Humza Yousaf
    First Minister election would have ended differently if people had known Peter Murrell's arrest was imminent, argue Kate Forbes' backers


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/05/humza-yousaf-legitimacy-under-attack-duped-backing-snp/

    More excitable commentators are suggesting the police stayed their hand until the SNP leadership election was out of the way. IF that was the case, rather than a plodding plod, then this has barely begun.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,443

    "What did you know and when did you know it?" IF (and its a big IF) there is more to this than a simple probe into the SNP's finances, then the damage could be wide ranging. At the moment Mr Murrell has been released without charge, and the matter may go no further. However, the political implications could extend well beyond the Murrell household:

    SNP voters 'duped' into backing Humza Yousaf
    First Minister election would have ended differently if people had known Peter Murrell's arrest was imminent, argue Kate Forbes' backers


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/05/humza-yousaf-legitimacy-under-attack-duped-backing-snp/

    More excitable commentators are suggesting the police stayed their hand until the SNP leadership election was out of the way. IF that was the case, rather than a plodding plod, then this has barely begun.

    The Forbes camp might be right but where does it end? Yes, people might have voted differently if they knew Murrell's arrest was imminent but how about if the election took place after Murrell had been arrested and then released without charge? What about if the election were postponed until after the investigation is complete, which could take months? And let us not forget there have been questions around SNP finances and supposed ringfencing, and Murrell's role, for months. It is not as if SNP members were voting in a vacuum.

    Forbes might do better without the sour grapes, by preparing for another election if Yousaf is as useless as many claim.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952

    "What did you know and when did you know it?"

    IF (and its a big IF) there is more to this than a simple probe into the SNP's finances, then the damage could be wide ranging. At the moment Mr Murrell has been released without charge, and the matter may go no further. However, the political implications could extend well beyond the Murrell household:

    SNP voters 'duped' into backing Humza Yousaf
    First Minister election would have ended differently if people had known Peter Murrell's arrest was imminent, argue Kate Forbes' backers


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/05/humza-yousaf-legitimacy-under-attack-duped-backing-snp/

    More excitable commentators are suggesting the police stayed their hand until the SNP leadership election was out of the way. IF that was the case, rather than a plodding plod, then this has barely begun.

    It just needs one whistle-blower....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952

    "What did you know and when did you know it?"

    IF (and its a big IF) there is more to this than a simple probe into the SNP's finances, then the damage could be wide ranging. At the moment Mr Murrell has been released without charge, and the matter may go no further. However, the political implications could extend well beyond the Murrell household:

    SNP voters 'duped' into backing Humza Yousaf
    First Minister election would have ended differently if people had known Peter Murrell's arrest was imminent, argue Kate Forbes' backers


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/05/humza-yousaf-legitimacy-under-attack-duped-backing-snp/

    More excitable commentators are suggesting the police stayed their hand until the SNP leadership election was out of the way. IF that was the case, rather than a plodding plod, then this has barely begun.

    If only there were an example in British politics - indeed, of Scottish politics - of how the losing 48% thought they would have won "if only...". We might then have some idea of how longstanding that grievance might be felt.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited April 2023
    Neighbours watched Sturgeon raid like Line of Duty episode

    https://archive.is/wLYrg#selection-749.0-749.58
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Sheep, silence and locked accounts: how SNP figures reacted to Peter Murrell arrest
    A number of Nicola Sturgeon loyalists, including Ian Blackford and Mhairi Hunter, have ignored the breaking news about their party on Wednesday.


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sheep-silence-locked-accounts-how-29639216
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085

    Since the desire for independence is in theory, if not always in practice, separate from idolisation of SNP leaders, it might be as well for unionists to play their hands carefully. Too much hubris might prove counterproductive, whereas a return to normal politics might be welcome, where the answer to everything is not to blame London.

    Quite.

    We don't yet know if Scottish independence is the loser. That 'may' be English wishful-thinking.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    I've lived and worked around the world so none of this, Trump - Murrell, gets my pulse moving.

    I'm used to corruption. It's what politicians and leaders, especially male ones, do. It's in their DNA. Be cynical about the lot of them and I find you don't get disappointed.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    edited April 2023
    Heathener said:

    I've lived and worked around the world so none of this, Trump - Murrell, gets my pulse moving.

    I'm used to corruption. It's what politicians and leaders, especially male ones, do. It's in their DNA. Be cynical about the lot of them and I find you don't get disappointed.

    In a world of Donald Trumps be Saint Jacinda.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952

    Heathener said:

    Since the desire for independence is in theory, if not always in practice, separate from idolisation of SNP leaders, it might be as well for unionists to play their hands carefully. Too much hubris might prove counterproductive, whereas a return to normal politics might be welcome, where the answer to everything is not to blame London.

    Quite.

    We don't yet know if Scottish independence is the loser. That 'may' be English wishful-thinking.
    I tell you what isn't wishful thinking: Tory extinction.

    A Day of Reckoning is coming. They will be lucky to get 5 seats.
    I can't see them saving a deposit. Not against the adored political Titan that is SKS....
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    Heathener said:

    Since the desire for independence is in theory, if not always in practice, separate from idolisation of SNP leaders, it might be as well for unionists to play their hands carefully. Too much hubris might prove counterproductive, whereas a return to normal politics might be welcome, where the answer to everything is not to blame London.

    Quite.

    We don't yet know if Scottish independence is the loser. That 'may' be English wishful-thinking.
    Unionist wishful thinking, not English.

    Many English people, myself included, couldn’t care less either way about Indy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    Taz said:

    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    Refuk in just 6%.

    They aren't going to have much of a councillor base going into the next election....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952

    Neighbours watched Sturgeon raid like Line of Duty episode

    https://archive.is/wLYrg#selection-749.0-749.58

    Jesus, Mary and Jospeh and the wee donkey and a tent!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    I’m about halfway through that massive bag of Scottish popcorn from yesterday!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    Ukraine continuing their innovative use of weapons, this time in urban warfare in Bakhmut....

    "The UR-77 is a mine-clearing vehicle, and it fires a “line charge” over a relatively short range. That charge is designed to open a path through which other vehicles can pass through a minefield. To do so, it produces a series of explosions that clear an area 90 m long and 6 m wide. On Monday, Ukraine fired one of those charges into what was reportedly a mass of Wagner forces. "

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/4/2161994/-Ukraine-Update-In-Bakhmut-an-unusual-weapon-put-to-use-with-devastating-results
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    The impact of the windfall,tax. 350 onshore jobs to go at Harbour Energy.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-65178626
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,713
    Taz said:

    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    It's an astonishing slate by the Greens.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164
    edited April 2023

    Neighbours watched Sturgeon raid like Line of Duty episode

    https://archive.is/wLYrg#selection-749.0-749.58

    Mr Sturgeon dialled for an immediate extraction?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Tent still in situ:

    Police still outside the home of Peter Murrell and Nicola Sturgeon this morning. Murrell was released without charge last night - pending further investigation into party finances @GMB

    https://twitter.com/NickDixonITV/status/1643847757822558208?s=20
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,164

    Taz said:

    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    It's an astonishing slate by the Greens.
    Esp when you consider that there are still some local deals about with the LDs.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049

    Taz said:

    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    It's an astonishing slate by the Greens.
    Yes, and I think they’d do well too

  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
  • Heathener said:

    Since the desire for independence is in theory, if not always in practice, separate from idolisation of SNP leaders, it might be as well for unionists to play their hands carefully. Too much hubris might prove counterproductive, whereas a return to normal politics might be welcome, where the answer to everything is not to blame London.

    Quite.

    We don't yet know if Scottish independence is the loser. That 'may' be English wishful-thinking.
    Silly comment

    This is not an English wishful thinking exercise but for very many Scots, my wife included, the union is precious and it will be opinion in Scotland that will decide the future of independence
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,903

    Neighbours watched Sturgeon raid like Line of Duty episode

    https://archive.is/wLYrg#selection-749.0-749.58

    Mother of God! I hope they've checked the freezer for bits of Jackie Laverty.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,558
    edited April 2023
    Foxy said:
    They were discussing on farming today this morning and it isn’t quite as simple as this.

    Theoretically over the next few years Mexican eggs from caged birds can be sold in UK but it is up against more and more supermarkets refusing to sell eggs from caged birds but more importantly the cost factor for Mexican farmers.

    There is a high cost for transport and with Mexican eggs about 25% cheaper at present it makes very little business sense for them to ship them to UK when they sell so many to more local markets with cheaper and quicker transport

    They might end up in the powdered egg chain but v unlikely in the “fresh” egg chain.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032

    Sheep, silence and locked accounts: how SNP figures reacted to Peter Murrell arrest
    A number of Nicola Sturgeon loyalists, including Ian Blackford and Mhairi Hunter, have ignored the breaking news about their party on Wednesday.


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sheep-silence-locked-accounts-how-29639216

    Have Ian Murray and @ydoethur ever been seen in the same room? When Ian Blackford responded to this news by tweeting that they have only had 3 lambs so far Mr Murray asked if it was a slow ewes day. Surely has to be some connection.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,903
    boulay said:

    Foxy said:
    They were discussing on farming today this morning and it isn’t quite as simple as this.

    Theoretically over the next few years Mexican eggs from caged birds can be sold in UK it is up against more and more supermarkets refusing to sell eggs from caged birds but more importantly the cost factor for Mexican farmers.

    There is a high cost for transport and with Mexican eggs about 25% cheaper at present it makes very little business sense for them to ship them to UK when they sell so many to more local markets with cheaper and quicker transport

    They might end up in the powdered egg chain but v unlikely in the “fresh” egg chain.
    That's alright then. I'm sure the hens suffering appalling cruelty will be grateful that their produce will only be sold here in powdered form. British producers who adhere to our higher standards and can't compete ditto. Welcome to the race to the bottom, another great Brexit win!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147
    boulay said:

    Foxy said:
    They were discussing on farming today this morning and it isn’t quite as simple as this.

    Theoretically over the next few years Mexican eggs from caged birds can be sold in UK but it is up against more and more supermarkets refusing to sell eggs from caged birds but more importantly the cost factor for Mexican farmers.

    There is a high cost for transport and with Mexican eggs about 25% cheaper at present it makes very little business sense for them to ship them to UK when they sell so many to more local markets with cheaper and quicker transport

    They might end up in the powdered egg chain but v unlikely in the “fresh” egg chain.
    Yes mostly in the catering, and industrial food market rather than fresh eggs.

    Here's Gove saying that we will not be dropping our standards:

    https://twitter.com/cawleym1/status/1643555707881390080?t=EFyCvI9dhsPH8-_Zz8HMVQ&s=19
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
    At the moment inflation in food is something like 15%, The government is not going to get in the road of things that bring that down sharpish. And, frankly, the EU definition of "free range" is so diluted that it will not make a huge difference.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147
    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
    At the moment inflation in food is something like 15%, The government is not going to get in the road of things that bring that down sharpish. And, frankly, the EU definition of "free range" is so diluted that it will not make a huge difference.
    Govt: ‘Aren’t we great. We got another trade deal’

    Farmers: ‘But cheap imports due to lower standards will ruin us’

    Govt: ‘But aren’t we great. We got another trade deal’
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    Wake up, tune in to find Brexiteers reduced to defending battery hens.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780
    edited April 2023
    DavidL said:

    Sheep, silence and locked accounts: how SNP figures reacted to Peter Murrell arrest
    A number of Nicola Sturgeon loyalists, including Ian Blackford and Mhairi Hunter, have ignored the breaking news about their party on Wednesday.


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sheep-silence-locked-accounts-how-29639216

    Have Ian Murray and @ydoethur ever been seen in the same room? When Ian Blackford responded to this news by tweeting that they have only had 3 lambs so far Mr Murray asked if it was a slow ewes day. Surely has to be some connection.
    As if I would be a Labour MP!

    I hope you’re feeling duly sheepish.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    ydoethur said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:
    They were discussing on farming today this morning and it isn’t quite as simple as this.

    Theoretically over the next few years Mexican eggs from caged birds can be sold in UK but it is up against more and more supermarkets refusing to sell eggs from caged birds but more importantly the cost factor for Mexican farmers.

    There is a high cost for transport and with Mexican eggs about 25% cheaper at present it makes very little business sense for them to ship them to UK when they sell so many to more local markets with cheaper and quicker transport

    They might end up in the powdered egg chain but v unlikely in the “fresh” egg chain.
    Yes mostly in the catering, and industrial food market rather than fresh eggs.

    Here's Gove saying that we will not be dropping our standards:

    https://twitter.com/cawleym1/status/1643555707881390080?t=EFyCvI9dhsPH8-_Zz8HMVQ&s=19
    He said that about exams too, and it wasn’t true.
    It’s almost as if Brexiteers were not telling the truth.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,558

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:
    They were discussing on farming today this morning and it isn’t quite as simple as this.

    Theoretically over the next few years Mexican eggs from caged birds can be sold in UK it is up against more and more supermarkets refusing to sell eggs from caged birds but more importantly the cost factor for Mexican farmers.

    There is a high cost for transport and with Mexican eggs about 25% cheaper at present it makes very little business sense for them to ship them to UK when they sell so many to more local markets with cheaper and quicker transport

    They might end up in the powdered egg chain but v unlikely in the “fresh” egg chain.
    That's alright then. I'm sure the hens suffering appalling cruelty will be grateful that their produce will only be sold here in powdered form. British producers who adhere to our higher standards and can't compete ditto. Welcome to the race to the bottom, another great Brexit win!
    That’s not really the point I was making. I’m absolutely against caged hens but I was trying to point out it’s not a simple case that millions of battery hen eggs will suddenly be on sale in the UK putting UK hen farmers out of business. I would imagine that powdered eggs come from other countries already from caged sources where the British standards don’t apply.

    So we can refuse any trade deal with any country or block to ensure we only have the glorious perfect UK standards or accept that trade deals cannot be perfect.

    We have higher standards on certain areas in farming than the EU - would you refuse to be part of the EU because we would have to accept in certain areas that they have lower standards which is unfair on the animals just for a trade deal or do we remain “pure”?
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Heathener said:

    Since the desire for independence is in theory, if not always in practice, separate from idolisation of SNP leaders, it might be as well for unionists to play their hands carefully. Too much hubris might prove counterproductive, whereas a return to normal politics might be welcome, where the answer to everything is not to blame London.

    Quite.

    We don't yet know if Scottish independence is the loser. That 'may' be English wishful-thinking.
    Silly comment

    This is not an English wishful thinking exercise but for very many Scots, my wife included, the union is precious and it will be opinion in Scotland that will decide the future of independence
    Indeed, a majority the last time we properly checked :smile:
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 703

    Taz said:

    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    It's an astonishing slate by the Greens.
    Our Green candidate in the local elections was doing house to house calls introducing herself a couple of months ago. It's been ages since anyone came round canvassing in local elections.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,916

    Ukraine continuing their innovative use of weapons, this time in urban warfare in Bakhmut....

    "The UR-77 is a mine-clearing vehicle, and it fires a “line charge” over a relatively short range. That charge is designed to open a path through which other vehicles can pass through a minefield. To do so, it produces a series of explosions that clear an area 90 m long and 6 m wide. On Monday, Ukraine fired one of those charges into what was reportedly a mass of Wagner forces. "

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/4/2161994/-Ukraine-Update-In-Bakhmut-an-unusual-weapon-put-to-use-with-devastating-results

    The Russians were doing that last summer, at which point it was described as desperate rather than innovative.

    One of the reasons given for the slow Ukrainian advance on Kherson, and the relative ease with which the Russians were able to pull their forces back, was that the Ukrainians had a shortage of the necessary specialist mine-clearing and other engineering support equipment required to support a breakthrough of prepared defensive lines.

    The latest US package of support includes additional such equipment. If the coming Ukrainian offensive is to be as successful as hoped, they will need this sort of equipment to support their advance. I do not find this report encouraging.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,049
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:
    They were discussing on farming today this morning and it isn’t quite as simple as this.

    Theoretically over the next few years Mexican eggs from caged birds can be sold in UK but it is up against more and more supermarkets refusing to sell eggs from caged birds but more importantly the cost factor for Mexican farmers.

    There is a high cost for transport and with Mexican eggs about 25% cheaper at present it makes very little business sense for them to ship them to UK when they sell so many to more local markets with cheaper and quicker transport

    They might end up in the powdered egg chain but v unlikely in the “fresh” egg chain.
    Yes mostly in the catering, and industrial food market rather than fresh eggs.

    Here's Gove saying that we will not be dropping our standards:

    https://twitter.com/cawleym1/status/1643555707881390080?t=EFyCvI9dhsPH8-_Zz8HMVQ&s=19
    If Caged eggs are acceptable currently then it is not dropping our standards to buy them from Mexico.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,843
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
    Free range. Or any of these descriptions ... impossible to.prove how the birds are kept.


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780

    Jonathan said:

    Wake up, tune in to find Brexiteers reduced to defending battery hens.

    Deregulated cheap food is one of the very few areas where the Singapore on Thames brigade and the Red Wall have common interests. And animals can't vote. It was always going to be an obvious road to go down. The Pacific trade deal (which has little logic otherwise) is designed to open the door, pushing some of our farmers out of business and leading to pressure to water down our standards, and in a few years we'll be softened up for a US trade deal that finishes the job.
    Cue jokes about Jacob Rees-Mogg...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,246
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:
    They were discussing on farming today this morning and it isn’t quite as simple as this.

    Theoretically over the next few years Mexican eggs from caged birds can be sold in UK it is up against more and more supermarkets refusing to sell eggs from caged birds but more importantly the cost factor for Mexican farmers.

    There is a high cost for transport and with Mexican eggs about 25% cheaper at present it makes very little business sense for them to ship them to UK when they sell so many to more local markets with cheaper and quicker transport

    They might end up in the powdered egg chain but v unlikely in the “fresh” egg chain.
    That's alright then. I'm sure the hens suffering appalling cruelty will be grateful that their produce will only be sold here in powdered form. British producers who adhere to our higher standards and can't compete ditto. Welcome to the race to the bottom, another great Brexit win!
    That’s not really the point I was making. I’m absolutely against caged hens but I was trying to point out it’s not a simple case that millions of battery hen eggs will suddenly be on sale in the UK putting UK hen farmers out of business. I would imagine that powdered eggs come from other countries already from caged sources where the British standards don’t apply.

    So we can refuse any trade deal with any country or block to ensure we only have the glorious perfect UK standards or accept that trade deals cannot be perfect.

    We have higher standards on certain areas in farming than the EU - would you refuse to be part of the EU because we would have to accept in certain areas that they have lower standards which is unfair on the animals just for a trade deal or do we remain “pure”?
    I suppose the other side to the "EU's a protection racket" coin is that it does to some extent protect.

    Although I accept, as with everything to do with the EU, it's imperfect.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983

    "What did you know and when did you know it?" IF (and its a big IF) there is more to this than a simple probe into the SNP's finances, then the damage could be wide ranging. At the moment Mr Murrell has been released without charge, and the matter may go no further. However, the political implications could extend well beyond the Murrell household:

    SNP voters 'duped' into backing Humza Yousaf
    First Minister election would have ended differently if people had known Peter Murrell's arrest was imminent, argue Kate Forbes' backers


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/05/humza-yousaf-legitimacy-under-attack-duped-backing-snp/

    More excitable commentators are suggesting the police stayed their hand until the SNP leadership election was out of the way. IF that was the case, rather than a plodding plod, then this has barely begun.

    The Forbes camp might be right but where does it end? Yes, people might have voted differently if they knew Murrell's arrest was imminent but how about if the election took place after Murrell had been arrested and then released without charge? What about if the election were postponed until after the investigation is complete, which could take months? And let us not forget there have been questions around SNP finances and supposed ringfencing, and Murrell's role, for months. It is not as if SNP members were voting in a vacuum.

    Forbes might do better without the sour grapes, by preparing for another election if Yousaf is as useless as many claim.
    You make a good point. What's more if we go down the route of 'buyers remorse' we'll be back on Brexit before you can say Red Bus
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,843
    I never realised how enjoyable schadenfreude could be until yesterday morning.
    I
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,246
    edited April 2023

    "What did you know and when did you know it?" IF (and its a big IF) there is more to this than a simple probe into the SNP's finances, then the damage could be wide ranging. At the moment Mr Murrell has been released without charge, and the matter may go no further. However, the political implications could extend well beyond the Murrell household:

    SNP voters 'duped' into backing Humza Yousaf
    First Minister election would have ended differently if people had known Peter Murrell's arrest was imminent, argue Kate Forbes' backers


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/05/humza-yousaf-legitimacy-under-attack-duped-backing-snp/

    More excitable commentators are suggesting the police stayed their hand until the SNP leadership election was out of the way. IF that was the case, rather than a plodding plod, then this has barely begun.

    The Forbes camp might be right but where does it end? Yes, people might have voted differently if they knew Murrell's arrest was imminent but how about if the election took place after Murrell had been arrested and then released without charge? What about if the election were postponed until after the investigation is complete, which could take months? And let us not forget there have been questions around SNP finances and supposed ringfencing, and Murrell's role, for months. It is not as if SNP members were voting in a vacuum.

    Forbes might do better without the sour grapes, by preparing for another election if Yousaf is as useless as many claim.
    I'm possibly changing my mind about Kate Forbes. She probably would have caused the SNP to implode due to her absence of leadership. But if the SNP are imploding anyway, it might be better to have someone who is clearly a change of direction.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    It's an astonishing slate by the Greens.
    Esp when you consider that there are still some local deals about with the LDs.
    Reform at 6%, LibDems at 60%
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
    Free range. Or any of these descriptions ... impossible to.prove how the birds are kept.
    There’s also the “EU Good” assumption, that the hens there match the British understanding of ‘free range’, both in theory and in practice.

    What does a Romanian (as an example) ‘free range’ hen house actually look like in practice, compared to a Mexican one?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147
    Taz said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:
    They were discussing on farming today this morning and it isn’t quite as simple as this.

    Theoretically over the next few years Mexican eggs from caged birds can be sold in UK but it is up against more and more supermarkets refusing to sell eggs from caged birds but more importantly the cost factor for Mexican farmers.

    There is a high cost for transport and with Mexican eggs about 25% cheaper at present it makes very little business sense for them to ship them to UK when they sell so many to more local markets with cheaper and quicker transport

    They might end up in the powdered egg chain but v unlikely in the “fresh” egg chain.
    Yes mostly in the catering, and industrial food market rather than fresh eggs.

    Here's Gove saying that we will not be dropping our standards:

    https://twitter.com/cawleym1/status/1643555707881390080?t=EFyCvI9dhsPH8-_Zz8HMVQ&s=19
    If Caged eggs are acceptable currently then it is not dropping our standards to buy them from Mexico.
    Banned in the UK a decade ago for welfare reasons as I understand.

    @NickPalmer might be able to confirm.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,032
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Sheep, silence and locked accounts: how SNP figures reacted to Peter Murrell arrest
    A number of Nicola Sturgeon loyalists, including Ian Blackford and Mhairi Hunter, have ignored the breaking news about their party on Wednesday.


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sheep-silence-locked-accounts-how-29639216

    Have Ian Murray and @ydoethur ever been seen in the same room? When Ian Blackford responded to this news by tweeting that they have only had 3 lambs so far Mr Murray asked if it was a slow ewes day. Surely has to be some connection.
    As if I would be a Labour MP!

    I hope you’re feeling duly sheepish.
    My thinking does seem to be a little woolly this morning. Need to sharpen up before the jury speech later.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Sheep, silence and locked accounts: how SNP figures reacted to Peter Murrell arrest
    A number of Nicola Sturgeon loyalists, including Ian Blackford and Mhairi Hunter, have ignored the breaking news about their party on Wednesday.


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sheep-silence-locked-accounts-how-29639216

    Have Ian Murray and @ydoethur ever been seen in the same room? When Ian Blackford responded to this news by tweeting that they have only had 3 lambs so far Mr Murray asked if it was a slow ewes day. Surely has to be some connection.
    As if I would be a Labour MP!

    I hope you’re feeling duly sheepish.
    My thinking does seem to be a little woolly this morning. Need to sharpen up before the jury speech later.
    I hope you ram home the message he needs locking up.

    I am making no comment on who that message should be directed at...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,916
    China testing the waters. How many years until they impose a full blockade?

    "China to inspect ships in Taiwan Strait, Taiwan says won't cooperate"

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-inspect-ships-taiwan-strait-taiwan-says-wont-cooperate-2023-04-06/
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    edited April 2023

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    It's an astonishing slate by the Greens.
    Esp when you consider that there are still some local deals about with the LDs.
    Reform at 6%, LibDems at 60%
    Even in a District year, a sizeable number of seats will be contested in the 3 in 4 metros and having the current top 4 national English parties contesting most seats is relatively normal now - the seats are substantial enough to find a candidate.

    In my ward, as the Greens go for their 23rd consecutive election victory, yet an LD is standing and will likely get sub 5%.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,147
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
    Free range. Or any of these descriptions ... impossible to.prove how the birds are kept.
    There’s also the “EU Good” assumption, that the hens there match the British understanding of ‘free range’, both in theory and in practice.

    What does a Romanian (as an example) ‘free range’ hen house actually look like in practice, compared to a Mexican one?
    "The EU egg marketing regulation stipulates that for eggs to be termed 'free range', hens must have continuous daytime access to runs which are mainly covered with vegetation and a maximum stocking density of 2,500 birds per hectare. The hen house conditions for free range hens must comply with the regulations for birds kept in barn systems, with a maximum stocking density of 9 hens per square metre of useable area.

    Hens must be provided with next boxes. Adequate perches, providing 15 centimetres of perch per hen, must also be provided. Litter must be provided, accounting for one-third of the ground surface - this is used for scratching and dust bathing."

    While caged eggs producing chickens are literally in cages, unable to move around, debeaked.



  • Neighbours watched Sturgeon raid like Line of Duty episode

    https://archive.is/wLYrg#selection-749.0-749.58

    Mother of God! I hope they've checked the freezer for bits of Jackie Laverty.
    That is what they needed the shovel for. And checking the BBQ? Well...
  • DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
    At the moment inflation in food is something like 15%, The government is not going to get in the road of things that bring that down sharpish. And, frankly, the EU definition of "free range" is so diluted that it will not make a huge difference.
    The exact number is 18% overall, much higher than that in various key areas, and not yet slowing any signs of slowing down...
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    SandraMc said:

    Taz said:

    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    It's an astonishing slate by the Greens.
    Our Green candidate in the local elections was doing house to house calls introducing herself a couple of months ago. It's been ages since anyone came round canvassing in local elections.
    They are working hard to mobilise the membership at the moment, though round me it's about entrenching existing councillors as much as getting new ones. In Stockport they've not made the classic UKIP/REFUK/BNP mistake of putting up useless narcissists who do eff-all then get summarily binned off by a regretful electorate (assuming they don't quit before that). I think they'll do moderately well.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Sheep, silence and locked accounts: how SNP figures reacted to Peter Murrell arrest
    A number of Nicola Sturgeon loyalists, including Ian Blackford and Mhairi Hunter, have ignored the breaking news about their party on Wednesday.


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sheep-silence-locked-accounts-how-29639216

    Have Ian Murray and @ydoethur ever been seen in the same room? When Ian Blackford responded to this news by tweeting that they have only had 3 lambs so far Mr Murray asked if it was a slow ewes day. Surely has to be some connection.
    As if I would be a Labour MP!

    I hope you’re feeling duly sheepish.
    My thinking does seem to be a little woolly this morning. Need to sharpen up before the jury speech later.
    Wether to convict?
  • boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:
    They were discussing on farming today this morning and it isn’t quite as simple as this.

    Theoretically over the next few years Mexican eggs from caged birds can be sold in UK it is up against more and more supermarkets refusing to sell eggs from caged birds but more importantly the cost factor for Mexican farmers.

    There is a high cost for transport and with Mexican eggs about 25% cheaper at present it makes very little business sense for them to ship them to UK when they sell so many to more local markets with cheaper and quicker transport

    They might end up in the powdered egg chain but v unlikely in the “fresh” egg chain.
    That's alright then. I'm sure the hens suffering appalling cruelty will be grateful that their produce will only be sold here in powdered form. British producers who adhere to our higher standards and can't compete ditto. Welcome to the race to the bottom, another great Brexit win!
    That’s not really the point I was making. I’m absolutely against caged hens but I was trying to point out it’s not a simple case that millions of battery hen eggs will suddenly be on sale in the UK putting UK hen farmers out of business. I would imagine that powdered eggs come from other countries already from caged sources where the British standards don’t apply.

    So we can refuse any trade deal with any country or block to ensure we only have the glorious perfect UK standards or accept that trade deals cannot be perfect.

    We have higher standards on certain areas in farming than the EU - would you refuse to be part of the EU because we would have to accept in certain areas that they have lower standards which is unfair on the animals just for a trade deal or do we remain “pure”?
    What opening the door to more cage eggs does is allow a flood of "value" eggs. A lot will go into manufacturing and foodservice where sourcing can be obscured.

    This may actually be beneficial for consumers. There is a big shortage of free range eggs, so throwing more cheap crap into the supply chain actually frees up capacity for picky consumers.

    Not saying I support yet another Tory drop in our standards (liars!!!), but we need more eggs...
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Sheep, silence and locked accounts: how SNP figures reacted to Peter Murrell arrest
    A number of Nicola Sturgeon loyalists, including Ian Blackford and Mhairi Hunter, have ignored the breaking news about their party on Wednesday.


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sheep-silence-locked-accounts-how-29639216

    Have Ian Murray and @ydoethur ever been seen in the same room? When Ian Blackford responded to this news by tweeting that they have only had 3 lambs so far Mr Murray asked if it was a slow ewes day. Surely has to be some connection.
    As if I would be a Labour MP!

    I hope you’re feeling duly sheepish.
    My thinking does seem to be a little woolly this morning. Need to sharpen up before the jury speech later.
    I hope you ram home the message he needs locking up.

    I am making no comment on who that message should be directed at...
    And so you leave us on the horns of a dilemma. Perhaps he's just going to fleece his client.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780

    China testing the waters. How many years until they impose a full blockade?

    "China to inspect ships in Taiwan Strait, Taiwan says won't cooperate"

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-inspect-ships-taiwan-strait-taiwan-says-wont-cooperate-2023-04-06/

    Or indeed try again to annex Kinmen. After all those are the islands that are effectively being blockaded by this 'exercise.'

    Difficult to see what Taiwan could do (or the US would do) if China did move in on Kinmen or indeed Matsu.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,947
    @Nigelb re that video you showed on the previous thread of a wheel hitting a car and the spectacular effect. I saw that video last week. The car is a Kia. By coincidence I was buying a new Kia last week and took out minor damage insurance. I showed the video to the salesman and asked if that would have been covered. He was very amused. I got a firm 'no'.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,036
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
    Free range. Or any of these descriptions ... impossible to.prove how the birds are kept.
    There’s also the “EU Good” assumption, that the hens there match the British understanding of ‘free range’, both in theory and in practice.

    What does a Romanian (as an example) ‘free range’ hen house actually look like in practice, compared to a Mexican one?
    "The EU egg marketing regulation stipulates that for eggs to be termed 'free range', hens must have continuous daytime access to runs which are mainly covered with vegetation and a maximum stocking density of 2,500 birds per hectare. The hen house conditions for free range hens must comply with the regulations for birds kept in barn systems, with a maximum stocking density of 9 hens per square metre of useable area.

    Hens must be provided with next boxes. Adequate perches, providing 15 centimetres of perch per hen, must also be provided. Litter must be provided, accounting for one-third of the ground surface - this is used for scratching and dust bathing."

    While caged eggs producing chickens are literally in cages, unable to move around, debeaked.
    That’s what the regulations say, and what UK farmers would do to comply - but what do these hen-houses actually look like in the poorer parts of the EU?

    There’s a long list of examples of EU law being followed to the letter in the UK, while being totally ignored in other countries.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,903
    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    They did have one about Turkey, to be fair.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780
    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Sheep, silence and locked accounts: how SNP figures reacted to Peter Murrell arrest
    A number of Nicola Sturgeon loyalists, including Ian Blackford and Mhairi Hunter, have ignored the breaking news about their party on Wednesday.


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sheep-silence-locked-accounts-how-29639216

    Have Ian Murray and @ydoethur ever been seen in the same room? When Ian Blackford responded to this news by tweeting that they have only had 3 lambs so far Mr Murray asked if it was a slow ewes day. Surely has to be some connection.
    As if I would be a Labour MP!

    I hope you’re feeling duly sheepish.
    My thinking does seem to be a little woolly this morning. Need to sharpen up before the jury speech later.
    I hope you ram home the message he needs locking up.

    I am making no comment on who that message should be directed at...
    And so you leave us on the horns of a dilemma. Perhaps he's just going to fleece his client.
    AIUI he's appearing for the Lord Advocate as an employee of the ScotGov.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    They did have one about Turkey, to be fair.
    Although that was about being given free range.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
    At the moment inflation in food is something like 15%, The government is not going to get in the road of things that bring that down sharpish. And, frankly, the EU definition of "free range" is so diluted that it will not make a huge difference.
    The exact number is 18% overall, much higher than that in various key areas, and not yet slowing any signs of slowing down...
    I'm astonished at how much our food shop - family of four, Aldi + a bit of Tesco - has gone up by. It is enforcing better habits, though (says he) I've generally been *pretty* good at avoiding waste. Making soup, batch freezing etc.

    Bourbon biscuits remain a bargain though. The finest and improbably still among the cheapest.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,903
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    They did have one about Turkey, to be fair.
    Although that was about being given free range.
    Yes, I suppose they were always open that they wanted to end free movement, they just didn't specify that this would extend to poultry.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    ydoethur said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Sheep, silence and locked accounts: how SNP figures reacted to Peter Murrell arrest
    A number of Nicola Sturgeon loyalists, including Ian Blackford and Mhairi Hunter, have ignored the breaking news about their party on Wednesday.


    https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/sheep-silence-locked-accounts-how-29639216

    Have Ian Murray and @ydoethur ever been seen in the same room? When Ian Blackford responded to this news by tweeting that they have only had 3 lambs so far Mr Murray asked if it was a slow ewes day. Surely has to be some connection.
    As if I would be a Labour MP!

    I hope you’re feeling duly sheepish.
    My thinking does seem to be a little woolly this morning. Need to sharpen up before the jury speech later.
    I hope you ram home the message he needs locking up.

    I am making no comment on who that message should be directed at...
    And so you leave us on the horns of a dilemma. Perhaps he's just going to fleece his client.
    AIUI he's appearing for the Lord Advocate as an employee of the ScotGov.
    Ah. So he was called to the Baa at some point.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049
    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    The entire campaign was about taking back control. This is taking back control from the EU caged hen directive.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,401
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/06/king-charles-signals-first-explicit-support-for-research-into-monarchys-slavery-ties

    Will pose a real problem for our Royalist wokefinders. Especially as it isn't possible to blame the Stuarts. King Billy was also in the trade.

    "King Charles has for the first time signalled his support for research into the British monarchy’s historical links with transatlantic slavery, after the emergence of a document showing his predecessor’s stake in a slave-trading company.

    Buckingham Palace released the statement after it was contacted by the Guardian about the extensive history of successive British monarchs’ involvement and investment in the enslavement of African people.

    The Guardian has published a previously unseen document showing the 1689 transfer of £1,000 of shares in the slave-trading Royal African Company to King William III, from Edward Colston, the company’s deputy governor."
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    They did have one about Turkey, to be fair.
    Although that was about being given free range.
    they were trying to duck the issue
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    They did have one about Turkey, to be fair.
    Although that was about being given free range.
    Yes, I suppose they were always open that they wanted to end free movement, they just didn't specify that this would extend to poultry.
    Yet more Brexiteer fowl play.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516

    Macron rushing off to meet the chinese communists so he doesnt have to meet the french ones

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/depuis-pekin-emanuel-macron-garde-un-oeil-sur-laurent-berger-20230405
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,516
    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    They did have one about Turkey, to be fair.
    Although that was about being given free range.
    Yes, I suppose they were always open that they wanted to end free movement, they just didn't specify that this would extend to poultry.
    Yet more Brexiteer fowl play.
    we grab your leg and pullet
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,401

    It didn't get enough attention yesterday because of the AC12 raid on Sturgeon. But the Scott Mince Benton story is beautiful. Caught red handed attempting to whore himself to a pretend gambling investor. Not just cash for questions but illegal access to unpublished reports.

    What a spanner - doesn't he understand that you can't do that kind of thing? Extraordinarily he claims another 10 such lobbying operations are happening at any given time.

    One of the joys of the Major era was buying the Sunday Times (which I used to do) and devouring mega scoops like the last Tory cash for questions scandal.

    If I remember that and know you can't ask questions for cash, why don't actual MPs like Mr Mince?

    Er, the raid was not on Ms Sturgeon, so you might want to correct that ...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Heathener said:

    I've lived and worked around the world so none of this, Trump - Murrell, gets my pulse moving.

    I'm used to corruption. It's what politicians and leaders, especially male ones, do. It's in their DNA. Be cynical about the lot of them and I find you don't get disappointed.

    Corruption happens. We should do our best to be as angry as possible every time a new case emerges.

    Being numb to it isn't cynicism its defeatism.

    It doesn't have to be this way.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    They did have one about Turkey, to be fair.
    Although that was about being given free range.
    Yes, I suppose they were always open that they wanted to end free movement, they just didn't specify that this would extend to poultry.
    Yet more Brexiteer fowl play.
    we grab your leg and pullet
    Struggling for any more poultry puns. I'll put my thinking capon.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    It didn't get enough attention yesterday because of the AC12 raid on Sturgeon. But the Scott Mince Benton story is beautiful. Caught red handed attempting to whore himself to a pretend gambling investor. Not just cash for questions but illegal access to unpublished reports.

    What a spanner - doesn't he understand that you can't do that kind of thing? Extraordinarily he claims another 10 such lobbying operations are happening at any given time.

    One of the joys of the Major era was buying the Sunday Times (which I used to do) and devouring mega scoops like the last Tory cash for questions scandal.

    If I remember that and know you can't ask questions for cash, why don't actual MPs like Mr Mince?

    He does know. A five year old could understand it, and his 'afterwards I had concerns' attempt shows he knows it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,780
    Ghedebrav said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    They did have one about Turkey, to be fair.
    Although that was about being given free range.
    Yes, I suppose they were always open that they wanted to end free movement, they just didn't specify that this would extend to poultry.
    Yet more Brexiteer fowl play.
    we grab your leg and pullet
    Struggling for any more poultry puns. I'll put my thinking capon.
    I should have kept my mouth shut. I'm regretting causing this eggsplosion.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,168
    edited April 2023
    Taz said:

    Total number of candidates per party for the May elections

    Greens standing in just over 40% of the seats. More than I expect3d.

    https://twitter.com/electionmapsuk/status/1643655792275406850?s=61&t=s0ae0IFncdLS1Dc7J0P_TQ

    In one sense, it's rather more than that. They are standing in 55% of wards, but get to the lower figure due to not standing a full slate in many multi-member wards.

    I slightly query RefUK's approach of essentially sitting out local elections. Candidates in under 10% of wards is pretty paltry, and it seems doubtful many will be elected. UKIP had a lot of councillors at one time (202 elected in this round of elections back in 2015) and, whilst not overstating it, it does offer a bit of a local platform and gets people into the habit of ticking the box. It was a one of many errors by ChangeUK back in 2019 too.
  • Carnyx said:

    It didn't get enough attention yesterday because of the AC12 raid on Sturgeon. But the Scott Mince Benton story is beautiful. Caught red handed attempting to whore himself to a pretend gambling investor. Not just cash for questions but illegal access to unpublished reports.

    What a spanner - doesn't he understand that you can't do that kind of thing? Extraordinarily he claims another 10 such lobbying operations are happening at any given time.

    One of the joys of the Major era was buying the Sunday Times (which I used to do) and devouring mega scoops like the last Tory cash for questions scandal.

    If I remember that and know you can't ask questions for cash, why don't actual MPs like Mr Mince?

    Er, the raid was not on Ms Sturgeon, so you might want to correct that ...
    Her house! The tent is still in her garden. They arrested her husband, but they raised her house. It was all over the news M'Lud.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,401
    ydoethur said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    ydoethur said:

    Jonathan said:

    TOPPING said:

    Importing eggs from caged hens and no longer being bound by sclerotic EU rules about animal welfare is presumably exactly what people who voted to leave the EU want the UK to be able to do.

    I can’t remember the Leave Ad with Chickens in cages, can you point me to it?
    They did have one about Turkey, to be fair.
    Although that was about being given free range.
    Yes, I suppose they were always open that they wanted to end free movement, they just didn't specify that this would extend to poultry.
    Yet more Brexiteer fowl play.
    we grab your leg and pullet
    Struggling for any more poultry puns. I'll put my thinking capon.
    I should have kept my mouth shut. I'm regretting causing this eggsplosion.
    You can't help but be gallus with the puns.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,914

    It didn't get enough attention yesterday because of the AC12 raid on Sturgeon. But the Scott Mince Benton story is beautiful. Caught red handed attempting to whore himself to a pretend gambling investor. Not just cash for questions but illegal access to unpublished reports.

    What a spanner - doesn't he understand that you can't do that kind of thing? Extraordinarily he claims another 10 such lobbying operations are happening at any given time.

    One of the joys of the Major era was buying the Sunday Times (which I used to do) and devouring mega scoops like the last Tory cash for questions scandal.

    If I remember that and know you can't ask questions for cash, why don't actual MPs like Mr Mince?

    Don't you think the Johnson years so debased the notion of political public service that Scott Benton loses the whip for five minutes and we just shrug our shoulders? In his case fate has taken a hand and as a result of boundary changes he most likely won't be standing next time.

    Perhaps Scotland has taught us that there may be consequences for those suspected of pilfering the cash register, and expect a circus bigtop to be erected in the front gardens of suspects when the police come looking for bank statements. Maybe normal service is being resumed.

    Or maybe not... how has no one involved in the PPE scandal had a blue tent erected on their lawn?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,401

    Carnyx said:

    It didn't get enough attention yesterday because of the AC12 raid on Sturgeon. But the Scott Mince Benton story is beautiful. Caught red handed attempting to whore himself to a pretend gambling investor. Not just cash for questions but illegal access to unpublished reports.

    What a spanner - doesn't he understand that you can't do that kind of thing? Extraordinarily he claims another 10 such lobbying operations are happening at any given time.

    One of the joys of the Major era was buying the Sunday Times (which I used to do) and devouring mega scoops like the last Tory cash for questions scandal.

    If I remember that and know you can't ask questions for cash, why don't actual MPs like Mr Mince?

    Er, the raid was not on Ms Sturgeon, so you might want to correct that ...
    Her house! The tent is still in her garden. They arrested her husband, but they raised her house. It was all over the news M'Lud.
    Their house, yes ... but not the same thing when it comes to keeping OGH safe from the legal profession.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,888
    Ghedebrav said:

    DavidL said:

    Taz said:

    Foxy said:
    Good.

    Although the article doesnt say soon.

    12 Free range large eggs up by another 25p at Sainsburys to £2.80 yesterday
    At the moment inflation in food is something like 15%, The government is not going to get in the road of things that bring that down sharpish. And, frankly, the EU definition of "free range" is so diluted that it will not make a huge difference.
    The exact number is 18% overall, much higher than that in various key areas, and not yet slowing any signs of slowing down...
    I'm astonished at how much our food shop - family of four, Aldi + a bit of Tesco - has gone up by. It is enforcing better habits, though (says he) I've generally been *pretty* good at avoiding waste. Making soup, batch freezing etc.

    Bourbon biscuits remain a bargain though. The finest and improbably still among the cheapest.
    Same of course with Lidl. Relatively still cheap: Cheapest pasta, oats, cornflakes, cocoa, bananas, alcohol free lager (best buy for those not allowed alcohol like me), cheapest rice.

    A diet which won't make you live longer, but it will feel longer.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    OT. After the defenestration of Maggie John Sergent (I think) said of Ted Heath it brings to mind the old Spanish saying 'If you sit by the river long enough the body of your enemy will come floating by'. It then became one of my favourite sayings which I have used on here before now but oddly I'd never heard it used anywhere else until this morning....

    .....Nick Robinson used it in relation to the Sturgeon affair and attributed it to Sun Tzu. If correct it's quite disappointing.

    The charm of the Spanish peasant sitting by the river is a big part of what makes it work. A Chinese philosopher General of the pre-Ming dynasty is something altogether less attractive
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,952
    Troubling. I hope they haven't killed the franchise.

    Guardians of the Galaxy 3 soundtrack:

    “Creep” (Acoustic Version) – Performed by Radiohead
    “Crazy On You” – Performed by Heart
    “Since You Been Gone” – Performed by Rainbow
    “In the Meantime” – Performed by Spacehog
    “Reasons” – Performed by Earth, Wind and Fire
    “Do You Realize??” – Performed by The Flaming Lips
    “We Care a Lot” – Performed by Faith No More
    “Koinu no Carnival” (From “Minute Waltz”) – Performed by EHAMIC
    “I’m Always Chasing Rainbows” – Performed by Alice Cooper
    “San Francisco” – Performed by The Mowgli’s
    “Poor Girl” – Performed by X
    “This Is the Day” – Performed by The The
    “No Sleep Till Brooklyn” – Performed by Beastie Boys
    “Dog Days Are Over” – Performed by Florence + The Machine
    “Badlands” – Performed by Bruce Springsteen
    “I Will Dare” – Performed by The Replacements
    “Come and Get Your Love” – Performed by Redbone
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