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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,910
    ydoethur said:

    I have now checked the SNP's rules carefully, and if I read them correctly the National Executive Committee could appoint an interim leader in this situation, if the election has to be rerun.

    But I keep coming back to - who the hell could they pick?

    Joanna Cherry, just for the lulz?
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,847
    ydoethur said:

    I have now checked the SNP's rules carefully, and if I read them correctly the National Executive Committee could appoint an interim leader in this situation, if the election has to be rerun.

    But I keep coming back to - who the hell could they pick?

    The only name that comes to mind is Angus Robertson.
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    UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 780

    eek said:

    Got to ask given that the SNP seem to have issued more ballot paper than they have members - how valid is any election going to be.

    Has getting party members to choose their leader ever gone well?
    I mean the last Con Leadership election was a bit of a farce, but in terms of process it seems taken for granted that it was well run. Same with the 2015 Labour Leadership election, or even 2017 (hopefully I have the year right), despite the political chaos involved at least the elections appeared to be run with a level of basic competency.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    Mike didn’t tell me but I’m editing PB on Tuesday it seems.

    Trump claims he ‘will be arrested’ on Tuesday in New York criminal case

    Ex-president makes remark on Truth Social without any official confirmation of the likelihood or timing of charges being brought


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/18/donald-trump-arrest-stormy-daniels-?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    Thursday's headlines:

    World popcorn prices hit a new record high on Wednesday as world events moved apace.

    'They were spiking after Putin was indicted and starting drunkenly rambling on about what he would do,' said one merchant. 'Then you had all that weird shit in Scotland where Murrell was kicked out and the SNP collapsed around him. But with Trump being arrested, there's real pressure on supplies.'

    Merchants reported price increases of up to 140% as people rushed to stock up before shortages strike. 'My warehouse was empty in minutes,' reported one wholesaler. 'Never seen anything like it. Not even when Cummings gave that statement about lockdown breaking.'

    However, analysts warn the outlook overall remains poor. With a number of really bad movies in the pipeline for later in 2023 plus the cost of living crisis as the fat old drunk continues to try and seize Ukraine, people may have less reason to buy popcorn.

    'We're pinning all our hopes right now on the elections in Turkey. With luck, they will come to our rescue by causing utter chaos and several cases in the Supreme Court,' said the owner of Mr Snap.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,966
    edited March 2023
    ydoethur said:

    I have now checked the SNP's rules carefully, and if I read them correctly the National Executive Committee could appoint an interim leader in this situation, if the election has to be rerun.

    But I keep coming back to - who the hell could they pick?

    Dunno how it might work but Stephen Flynn is probably the senior SNP figure to come out with any noticeable credit in the last few weeks. Salmond was leader for 3 years while an MP before coming an MSP.

    Of course Flynn may be keeping well out of it until his time comes, and it still leaves the question of who becomes FM meantime.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    Sandpit said:

    So, SNP leadership contest, or Saudi Arabian Grand Prix. Which one will involve the biggest car crash this weekend?

    The probably rigged race run by a lot of dodgy fuckers who should be in prison?

    Or the SNP leadership contest?

    (Be honest, you didn't think that was what I was going to finish with, did you?)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    “whisky export duty” is raised at the SNP leadership hustings hosted by The National. All of the candidates agree to look into it. None levels with the audience that it’s a mad nationalist conspiracy theory.


    https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1637029158009151488?s=20

    Every lie we tell incurs debt to the truth. Sooner or later this debt is paid.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,590

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Got to ask given that the SNP seem to have issued more ballot paper than they have members - how valid is any election going to be.

    Very dodgy. Will be interesting to see if Regan goes with an interdict.

    How the hell can Yousaf keep running as Mr Continuity? He's a dismal candidate under any circumstances, but this is a spectacular car crash.
    What happens if she does?

    Again, we come back to there is no way Sturgeon can stay. And AIUI (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is no way of replacing her bar this election. Even if there was, who is there to ask?

    The SNP are impaled on a spike of their own making, but impaled they are.
    Absolutely. All potential outcomes are terrible.

    Stop the count: Sturgeon remains as temporary leader, despite being completely compromised
    Stop the count alternative: They have to find an interim leader that Holyrood can agree on as FM.
    Carry on: Humza Yousaf wins. Legal challenge issued.
    Carry on alternative: Kate Forbes wins - the Greens fall out of the coalition. Possible failed FM confirmation vote - there's only 28 days to install an FM or we have to have an election.

    *fires up Tesco website to order a truckload of popcorn*
    Quite so. When I pointed out a few weeks back - as you do - the very obvious issue, that electing the leader was not the same as electing the FM, though, I was positively abused on here.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    “whisky export duty” is raised at the SNP leadership hustings hosted by The National. All of the candidates agree to look into it. None levels with the audience that it’s a mad nationalist conspiracy theory.


    https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1637029158009151488?s=20

    Every lie we tell incurs debt to the truth. Sooner or later this debt is paid.

    If we're talking about Murrell as a cock, a la Mr Eagles, does that mean his defenestration is when we told the SNP, 'Be careful or Chernobyl fallout?'
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,647
    eek said:

    Got to ask given that the SNP seem to have issued more ballot paper than they have members - how valid is any election going to be.

    Typical pb.com, spend yesterday moaning about people not going to be able to vote in forthcoming council elections, and today it swings round to too many votes in the SNP contest. Politicians just can't win these days.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109

    ydoethur said:

    I have now checked the SNP's rules carefully, and if I read them correctly the National Executive Committee could appoint an interim leader in this situation, if the election has to be rerun.

    But I keep coming back to - who the hell could they pick?

    Dunno how it might work but Stephen Flynn is probably the senior SNP figure to come out with any noticeable credit in the last few weeks. Salmond was leader for 3 years while an MP before coming an MSP.

    Of course Flynn may be keeping well out of it until his time comes, and it still leaves the question of who becomes FM meantime.
    Again, if I understand correctly it would be the Depute Leader that would be the leader of the Holyrood group, if a member of it. So presumably Keith Brown would be nominated.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    DougSeal said:

    Strangely, I never minded fag smoke in pubs. Or people doing it in my garden /patio at house parties.

    Bothered me virtually everywhere, particularly in restaurants where some people couldn't read the room (or didn't give a crap) and were doing it right up until it was banned in 2007.

    One place I miss fag smoke is at gigs. They now smell of dry ice and BO. I went to see a Jesus and Mary Chain reunion gig about 5 or 6 years ago and they were absolutely brilliant. I’d love to know if Jim Reid has a portrait in his attic. But there was a filth at their gigs I went to in the late (very late, like December 1989, just before my 16th!) Eighties that was missing and fag smoke was a key element of that!
    Yeah, it did cover up BO and flatulence to be fair.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932

    eek said:

    Got to ask given that the SNP seem to have issued more ballot paper than they have members - how valid is any election going to be.

    Typical pb.com, spend yesterday moaning about people not going to be able to vote in forthcoming council elections, and today it swings round to too many votes in the SNP contest. Politicians just can't win these days.
    It’s really simple - 1 person, 1 vote…

    Instead we have no paperwork, no vote and voting the right way, have a vote (even if you are no longer a member)
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,267
    edited March 2023
    I really couldn't give a seventh of a remotest shit about the SNP leadership travails.

    I'll flip to the rugby, I think, and watch the Commonwealth 15 v. Italy.
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    eekeek Posts: 24,932
    So story on Twitter saying Donald Trump will be indicted on Tuesday - to which the response is


    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    Replying to
    @thevivafrei
    If this happens, Trump will be re-elected in a landslide victory



    As I said at the time, the only way for the GOP to escape Trump was to bring him down in 2021/2.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,863
    It really is a shame Stuart is not here.

    He followed up "Forbes is too inexperienced to stand" with "Humza odds on must be worth a punt"

    What gems might he have delivered today?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Got to ask given that the SNP seem to have issued more ballot paper than they have members - how valid is any election going to be.

    Very dodgy. Will be interesting to see if Regan goes with an interdict.

    How the hell can Yousaf keep running as Mr Continuity? He's a dismal candidate under any circumstances, but this is a spectacular car crash.
    What happens if she does?

    Again, we come back to there is no way Sturgeon can stay. And AIUI (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is no way of replacing her bar this election. Even if there was, who is there to ask?

    The SNP are impaled on a spike of their own making, but impaled they are.
    Absolutely. All potential outcomes are terrible.

    Stop the count: Sturgeon remains as temporary leader, despite being completely compromised
    Stop the count alternative: They have to find an interim leader that Holyrood can agree on as FM.
    Carry on: Humza Yousaf wins. Legal challenge issued.
    Carry on alternative: Kate Forbes wins - the Greens fall out of the coalition. Possible failed FM confirmation vote - there's only 28 days to install an FM or we have to have an election.

    *fires up Tesco website to order a truckload of popcorn*
    There is of course another solution.

    Yousaf could withdraw.

    I don't for a second suppose he will, but it would leave Forbes as party leader and save the party any further horrendous embarrassment.
    Forbes as party leader and FM just leads to a party civil war instead.

    She is a leader most SNP MSPs and MPs haven't endorsed, while she has the social views of Ann Widdecombe with centre right economics. Which SLab would be ready to pounce on.

    While the SCons would pounce on the hapless Yousaf
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Got to ask given that the SNP seem to have issued more ballot paper than they have members - how valid is any election going to be.

    Typical pb.com, spend yesterday moaning about people not going to be able to vote in forthcoming council elections, and today it swings round to too many votes in the SNP contest. Politicians just can't win these days.
    It’s really simple - 1 person, 1 vote…

    Instead we have no paperwork, no vote and voting the right way, have a vote (even if you are no longer a member)
    Well, that's what they had, but it looks like the one person with the one vote has somehow lost it. Very careless.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,863
    ohnotnow said:

    ydoethur said:

    I have now checked the SNP's rules carefully, and if I read them correctly the National Executive Committee could appoint an interim leader in this situation, if the election has to be rerun.

    But I keep coming back to - who the hell could they pick?

    Joanna Cherry, just for the lulz?
    Today is her birthday...
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,863

    Who knew a penis could cause so much damage to the SNP.

    Is that not covered by the same super injunction...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Got to ask given that the SNP seem to have issued more ballot paper than they have members - how valid is any election going to be.

    Very dodgy. Will be interesting to see if Regan goes with an interdict.

    How the hell can Yousaf keep running as Mr Continuity? He's a dismal candidate under any circumstances, but this is a spectacular car crash.
    What happens if she does?

    Again, we come back to there is no way Sturgeon can stay. And AIUI (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is no way of replacing her bar this election. Even if there was, who is there to ask?

    The SNP are impaled on a spike of their own making, but impaled they are.
    Absolutely. All potential outcomes are terrible.

    Stop the count: Sturgeon remains as temporary leader, despite being completely compromised
    Stop the count alternative: They have to find an interim leader that Holyrood can agree on as FM.
    Carry on: Humza Yousaf wins. Legal challenge issued.
    Carry on alternative: Kate Forbes wins - the Greens fall out of the coalition. Possible failed FM confirmation vote - there's only 28 days to install an FM or we have to have an election.

    *fires up Tesco website to order a truckload of popcorn*
    There is of course another solution.

    Yousaf could withdraw.

    I don't for a second suppose he will, but it would leave Forbes as party leader and save the party any further horrendous embarrassment.
    Forbes as party leader and FM just leads to a party civil war instead.

    She is a leader most SNP MSPs and MPs haven't endorsed, while she has the social views of Ann Widdecombe with centre right economics. Which SLab would be ready to pounce on.

    While the SCons would pounce on the hapless Yousaf
    That's at least a good, clean, honourable sort of embarrassment. Party civil wars are very fashionable right now, why should the SNP be exempt?

    A rerun leadership election due to actual fraud, however...that *isn't* usual. Nor is it a good look. Another Scottish party leader, Alec Douglas-Home, found this out the hard way.

    That is something they need to avoid at all costs.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    eek said:

    https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status/1637046703307075586

    James Chalmers@ProfChalmers· 1h
    Just saw someone describe SNP departures an an exodus, which makes perfect sense in a campaign which so far has featured Leviticus and Numbers prominently

    Other memes are available.....



    Apropos of nothing in particular, I note that today is @joannaccherry’s birthday.

    https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/1637070154109530112?s=20
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,025
    eek said:

    So story on Twitter saying Donald Trump will be indicted on Tuesday - to which the response is

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    If this happens, Trump will be re-elected in a landslide victory

    As I said at the time, the only way for the GOP to escape Trump was to bring him down in 2021/2.

    Trump may be hard to stop becoming the GOP nominee, but the 2020 election suggests the Democrats have a big advantage in getting out the vote. Even if Trump can get 74m votes again, he won't win unless he can persuade a lot of people who voted for Biden to stay at home.
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,977
    MaxPB said:

    Black Rock looking to buy Credit Suisse.

    That seems like a poor match but better than dragging UBS down.
    Black rock has denied it

    I think their work out group was looking at whether they could get a bargain
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,863
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,977

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943

    eek said:

    So story on Twitter saying Donald Trump will be indicted on Tuesday - to which the response is

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    If this happens, Trump will be re-elected in a landslide victory

    As I said at the time, the only way for the GOP to escape Trump was to bring him down in 2021/2.

    Trump may be hard to stop becoming the GOP nominee, but the 2020 election suggests the Democrats have a big advantage in getting out the vote. Even if Trump can get 74m votes again, he won't win unless he can persuade a lot of people who voted for Biden to stay at home.
    Indeed, white suburban graduates are the key swing voters in the US right now and they still prefer Biden to Trump even if they might consider DeSantis
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,977
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Given the lack of men, tanks, and ammunition, exactly what does this warmongering Russian propose they use to march on Constantinople, and deal with NATO’s army when they arrive?
    An army that can't take Bakhmut is going to take Constantinople? Right.
    But don’t forget that Bakhmut is defended by misled Russians do of course they are as tough as it get… and Turks are Turks 😜

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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
    The Russians have a thing about Istanbul/Constantinople in the context of it being the cradle of the Orthodox Christianity that they see themselves as protector of
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,977

    I see that the troughers at Silicon Valley Ponzi Scheme have "earned" themselves £15 million in bonuses.

    Choose your lamp post...

    They also sold a significant tranche of their shares before the shit:fan interface.
    AIUI the trouble started because someone actually read the disclosure in note 72(b)(iii)(x) and tweeted it.

    So if they disclosed everything before they sold…
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    Have been reflecting that perhaps enjoying the stunning collapse of the SNP facade is bit unseemly & ungracious.

    Then I reflect on how anyone who had the audacity to disagree with them have been called traitors,quislings, anti-Scottish,anti-progressive & I realise I don’t care.


    https://twitter.com/Cat_Headley/status/1637075839715008518?s=20
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    eek said:

    So story on Twitter saying Donald Trump will be indicted on Tuesday - to which the response is

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    If this happens, Trump will be re-elected in a landslide victory

    As I said at the time, the only way for the GOP to escape Trump was to bring him down in 2021/2.

    Trump may be hard to stop becoming the GOP nominee, but the 2020 election suggests the Democrats have a big advantage in getting out the vote. Even if Trump can get 74m votes again, he won't win unless he can persuade a lot of people who voted for Biden to stay at home.
    If he is indicted, the independents will desert Trump.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,531
    DougSeal said:

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
    The Russians have a thing about Istanbul/Constantinople in the context of it being the cradle of the Orthodox Christianity that they see themselves as protector of
    Yes, they see Moscow as the 3rd Rome, after Constantinople fell. Hence Czar (Caesar).

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943
    DougSeal said:

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
    The Russians have a thing about Istanbul/Constantinople in the context of it being the cradle of the Orthodox Christianity that they see themselves as protector of
    Albeit the Grand Patriarch of Constantinople backs Ukraine and the Russian Orthodox church has split its links with the rest of the Eastern Orthodox church
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,232

    Who knew a penis could cause so much damage to the SNP.

    I think he's set-up his own breakaway splinter party now.
    “His” ?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,129
    eek said:

    So story on Twitter saying Donald Trump will be indicted on Tuesday - to which the response is

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    Replying to
    @thevivafrei
    If this happens, Trump will be re-elected in a landslide victory

    As I said at the time, the only way for the GOP to escape Trump was to bring him down in 2021/2.

    Foolish comment from Musk. But, yes, they are stuck with him and deservedly so given their abject cowardice when they could have acted.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,647

    eek said:

    So story on Twitter saying Donald Trump will be indicted on Tuesday - to which the response is

    Elon Musk
    @elonmusk
    If this happens, Trump will be re-elected in a landslide victory

    As I said at the time, the only way for the GOP to escape Trump was to bring him down in 2021/2.

    Trump may be hard to stop becoming the GOP nominee, but the 2020 election suggests the Democrats have a big advantage in getting out the vote. Even if Trump can get 74m votes again, he won't win unless he can persuade a lot of people who voted for Biden to stay at home.
    Good job he does not have a load of right wing militia with machine guns willing to break the law for him then......
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    eek said:

    https://twitter.com/ProfChalmers/status/1637046703307075586

    James Chalmers@ProfChalmers· 1h
    Just saw someone describe SNP departures an an exodus, which makes perfect sense in a campaign which so far has featured Leviticus and Numbers prominently

    Other memes are available.....



    Apropos of nothing in particular, I note that today is @joannaccherry’s birthday.

    https://twitter.com/JournoStephen/status/1637070154109530112?s=20
    Have been to that building. It became part of Petrovietnam's offices.

    Americans used to love going up on that rooftop, for some reason. The Vietnamese were happy to let them, for some reason...
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,495
    edited March 2023

    The SNP is descending into civil war.

    Whoever is their new leader has a mammoth and probably insurmountable task to restore unity.

    I can’t see any of the candidates doing so.

    Objectively it is good if democracy is run with a number of parties, all honestly run by transparently decent and able people.

    While it is my belief that Scottish independence will not in fact happen in this generation, and FWIW I am not in favour of it, politics as a whole is better better when the SNP is in the hands of able, honest leadership.

    Just as Labour has been transformed by having better leadership, and Sunak is a huge improvement on Boris and Truss, so the country will be a better place if Forbes wins. Better still if she was in charge of the Tory party.

    Surmounting insurmonutable problems begins exactly there.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,847

    I see that the troughers at Silicon Valley Ponzi Scheme have "earned" themselves £15 million in bonuses.

    Choose your lamp post...

    They also sold a significant tranche of their shares before the shit:fan interface.
    AIUI the trouble started because someone actually read the disclosure in note 72(b)(iii)(x) and tweeted it.

    So if they disclosed everything before they sold…
    Executives selling shares is usually a bad sign. Some of the actions here look like trading on privileged information though, which is a total no-no. I have a feeling, that SVB execs will swapping their pinstriped suits for a different sort of stripy suit in the future.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,025
    DougSeal said:

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
    The Russians have a thing about Istanbul/Constantinople in the context of it being the cradle of the Orthodox Christianity that they see themselves as protector of
    There's a song written before the annexation of Crimea that talks about Russia taking back Sevastopol, then Constantinople and Jerusalem.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    More that just a cock up over membership numbers?

    https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1637078435381010433
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113
    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,294
    edited March 2023
    Latest statement from Police Scotland on its investigation into SNP finances:

    “A report which outlines enquiries already undertaken and seeks further instruction has been submitted to the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service.

    “We are working closely with COPFS as the investigation continues.”


    https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1637078435381010433
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113
    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    Sorry. Three pints into a bit of a sesh
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    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    DougSeal said:

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
    The Russians have a thing about Istanbul/Constantinople in the context of it being the cradle of the Orthodox Christianity that they see themselves as protector of
    There's a song written before the annexation of Crimea that talks about Russia taking back Sevastopol, then Constantinople and Jerusalem.
    This one?

    https://youtu.be/0XlO39kCQ-8
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    MalcolmG must think all his Christmases have come at once today.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943

    DougSeal said:

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
    The Russians have a thing about Istanbul/Constantinople in the context of it being the cradle of the Orthodox Christianity that they see themselves as protector of
    There's a song written before the annexation of Crimea that talks about Russia taking back Sevastopol, then Constantinople and Jerusalem.
    I would think Israel and Muslims and non Orthodox Christians would have some words about Russia trying to take Jerusalem
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Indeed. Apologies for the profanity
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,232
    ydoethur said:

    Incidentally on a related topic I wonder if this is the scandal Malc has kept hinting at.

    Because if it isn't and there really is worse in the background...

    The SNP have been in power for a long time. Every single place this happens, around the world, skeletons accumulate in cupboards. Eventually….
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    Got to ask given that the SNP seem to have issued more ballot paper than they have members - how valid is any election going to be.

    Very dodgy. Will be interesting to see if Regan goes with an interdict.

    How the hell can Yousaf keep running as Mr Continuity? He's a dismal candidate under any circumstances, but this is a spectacular car crash.
    I can't see how he could credibly claim to be elected in the circs. They'd need to redo it with ERS or similar.

    The interesting thing is what happens if Ms Forbes wins. It's not as if Ms R has much of a hope at the moment (so she is n ot losing anything by her attitude).
    Surely with Murrell now gone, and so much uncertainty over basic things like how many ballot papers are out there, it makes sense to bring in qualified outsiders to re-run the whole process from the beginning?

    The alternative being the whole thing ending up in court, with all the dirty laundry aired in public?
    More public than it is right now?

    There is more to come out than an inaccurate membership database and a large chunk of money going missing?
    Well I can’t imagine Murrell, nor Mrs Murrell, wanting to answer questions under oath, from people who know where all the bodies are buried.
    "I can't recall...I don't remember....no, I don't think anybody ever told me." Repeat ad nauseum.

    I just LOVED the way the Nats used to relish calling Boris "the Liar"....
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113
    HYUFD said:

    DougSeal said:

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
    The Russians have a thing about Istanbul/Constantinople in the context of it being the cradle of the Orthodox Christianity that they see themselves as protector of
    There's a song written before the annexation of Crimea that talks about Russia taking back Sevastopol, then Constantinople and Jerusalem.
    I would think Israel and Muslims and non Orthodox Christians would have some words about Russia trying to take Jerusalem
    You think?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    kle4 said:

    malcolmg said:

    latest update from SNP insider who has been extremely accurate up to now!

    Rather dramatic. Starting position is generally to be sceptical of exciting claims as by their nature they do not occur very often, but we shall see. It would all be a bit boring if Humza wins and it all just peters out now.
    Murrell has already resigned , he could not hold the line till Monday. Humza stopped campaigning a few days ago and repuedly had to b eforced to do the hustings so that it was not really obvious he had the numbers. he has disappeared as well. His pathetic Peter Murrell is brilliant and has won us all these elections and I will b ekeeping him in place has done well.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    MalcolmG must think all his Christmases have come at once today.

    Easy. Scotland hasn’t floated away from England yet
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    eek said:

    Got to ask given that the SNP seem to have issued more ballot paper than they have members - how valid is any election going to be.

    Very dodgy. Will be interesting to see if Regan goes with an interdict.

    How the hell can Yousaf keep running as Mr Continuity? He's a dismal candidate under any circumstances, but this is a spectacular car crash.
    I can't see how he could credibly claim to be elected in the circs. They'd need to redo it with ERS or similar.

    The interesting thing is what happens if Ms Forbes wins. It's not as if Ms R has much of a hope at the moment (so she is n ot losing anything by her attitude).
    Surely with Murrell now gone, and so much uncertainty over basic things like how many ballot papers are out there, it makes sense to bring in qualified outsiders to re-run the whole process from the beginning?

    The alternative being the whole thing ending up in court, with all the dirty laundry aired in public?
    More public than it is right now?

    There is more to come out than an inaccurate membership database and a large chunk of money going missing?
    Well I can’t imagine Murrell, nor Mrs Murrell, wanting to answer questions under oath, from people who know where all the bodies are buried.
    "I can't recall...I don't remember....no, I don't think anybody ever told me." Repeat ad nauseum.

    I just LOVED the way the Nats used to relish calling Boris "the Liar"....
    Takes one to know one perhaps?
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,174

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    Let’s not go overboard here
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,495

    MalcolmG must think all his Christmases have come at once today.

    If your aim is an independent Scotland with a flourishing and honest multi party democracy, you may feel empathy with the chap who was up to his ears in alligators when all he was trying to do was drain the swamp.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,025
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    Let’s not go overboard here
    It's not impossible. The Tories could even end up with more Scottish seats than the SNP.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,362

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    More that EdM (in 2015) and Rishi (now) are unlucky, really.

    The SNP hegemony over the last decade or so has been remarkable, but there was always a contradiction at the heart of it. It could only hold together for as long as Independence outweighed all other issues. Sturgeon and Cherry shouldn't be in the same party, really. Neither should Forbes and Yousaf.

    It takes a lot of cunning to stitch together a disparate rainbow alliance to achieve a single aim. It takes a miracle to hold that alliance together once the moment has passed- whether the aim suceeds or fails.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,576
    Lots going on at the moment, but this is important. Kate Forbes made a big announcement on currency on a @ScotNational podcast yesterday.

    Forbes’ plan is to ask opponents of independence to stop talking about currency, because it’s really annoying


    https://twitter.com/staylorish/status/1637089673230073861?s=20
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    Let’s not go overboard here
    It's not impossible. The Tories could even end up with more Scottish seats than the SNP.
    Nothing is impossible but I think there’s a lot being extrapolated here from what might be a short term difficulty. People are already taking about Tory recovery from Truss FFS
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    algarkirk said:

    MalcolmG must think all his Christmases have come at once today.

    If your aim is an independent Scotland with a flourishing and honest multi party democracy, you may feel empathy with the chap who was up to his ears in alligators when all he was trying to do was drain the swamp.
    Almost , the naming of the Alphabetties who tried to jail Salmond would complete the picture. They will be bricking it now.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    More that EdM (in 2015) and Rishi (now) are unlucky, really.

    The SNP hegemony over the last decade or so has been remarkable, but there was always a contradiction at the heart of it. It could only hold together for as long as Independence outweighed all other issues. Sturgeon and Cherry shouldn't be in the same party, really. Neither should Forbes and Yousaf.

    It takes a lot of cunning to stitch together a disparate rainbow alliance to achieve a single aim. It takes a miracle to hold that alliance together once the moment has passed- whether the aim suceeds or fails.
    Neither should Bart and HYUFD to be fair. Nor Blair and Corbyn
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,232
    DougSeal said:

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
    The Russians have a thing about Istanbul/Constantinople in the context of it being the cradle of the Orthodox Christianity that they see themselves as protector of
    The vision of the Tsar being re-crowned in the reconsecrated St. Sophia and re-uniting the orthodox churches in the New Empire…..
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,495

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    More that EdM (in 2015) and Rishi (now) are unlucky, really.

    The SNP hegemony over the last decade or so has been remarkable, but there was always a contradiction at the heart of it. It could only hold together for as long as Independence outweighed all other issues. Sturgeon and Cherry shouldn't be in the same party, really. Neither should Forbes and Yousaf.

    It takes a lot of cunning to stitch together a disparate rainbow alliance to achieve a single aim. It takes a miracle to hold that alliance together once the moment has passed- whether the aim suceeds or fails.
    Yes. If you are a single issue nationalist and separatist party at heart then your policies and administration must be very notably centrist in order not to frighten the horses. Your aim is a new multi party democracy, with everyone allowed to fight their corner of the Overton window and beyond.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    I would not bet on it
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    Could we see net Tory gains in Scotland at the next general election 👀?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    dr_spyn said:

    More that just a cock up over membership numbers?

    https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1637078435381010433

    the tip of the iceberg has surfaced
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,065
    The SNP implosion is remarkable. Thinking about it, I think they deserve it. I'm agnostic to supportive of Scottish independence, but I think the SNP really owed it to the Scottish people to provide an honest blueprint for independence that was clear about the short run costs and provided a well thought out plan covering issues like the currency. They haven't done that, preferring to offer a vague something for nothing version of independence a la Brexit. So they deserve to be in disarray.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    Let’s not go overboard here
    It's not impossible. The Tories could even end up with more Scottish seats than the SNP.
    Nothing is impossible but I think there’s a lot being extrapolated here from what might be a short term difficulty. People are already taking about Tory recovery from Truss FFS
    In the fullness of time it will be shown that Truss's "ignore Nicola Sturgeon" comment was the key moment that burst the SNP's bubble and saved the union. She's playing 4D chess at a level beyond the comprehension of the average political pundit.
    Yes. As I have oft stated on here, Truss is a political titan of the likes we have never seen before. She’s on her way back.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    I have now checked the SNP's rules carefully, and if I read them correctly the National Executive Committee could appoint an interim leader in this situation, if the election has to be rerun.

    But I keep coming back to - who the hell could they pick?

    The only name that comes to mind is Angus Robertson.
    No No not Macbeth, that would cause more ructions.
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    I am prepared to serve as Chief Executive of the SNP.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,109
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @GlennBBC
    now
    Peter Murrell has quit as SNP chief executive with immediate effect

    @malcolmg may actually have just spontaneously exploded with excitement...
    I told you it was coming
    Yep. You did. Many times.

    And you were right.

    Even though I hold no brief at all for the SNP I didn't quite expect this though!
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    Let’s not go overboard here
    It's not impossible. The Tories could even end up with more Scottish seats than the SNP.
    Nothing is impossible but I think there’s a lot being extrapolated here from what might be a short term difficulty. People are already taking about Tory recovery from Truss FFS
    In the fullness of time it will be shown that Truss's "ignore Nicola Sturgeon" comment was the key moment that burst the SNP's bubble and saved the union. She's playing 4D chess at a level beyond the comprehension of the average political pundit.
    Yes. As I have oft stated on here, Truss is a political titan of the likes we have never seen before. She’s on her way back.
    As SNP leader?
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,581

    Could we see net Tory gains in Scotland at the next general election 👀?

    This is why, as a Labourite, I want to see a strong SNP.
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    maxhmaxh Posts: 824
    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @GlennBBC
    now
    Peter Murrell has quit as SNP chief executive with immediate effect

    @malcolmg may actually have just spontaneously exploded with excitement...
    I told you it was coming
    Yeah kudos to you Malcolm - I thought your predictions on here were a bit outlandish but you have been proved very prescient.

    What next do you think?
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,097
    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    This warmongering Russian twat does know Turkey is in NATO?

    https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1637034184228192257

    Did Russia ever conquer Anatolia?
    The Russians have a thing about Istanbul/Constantinople in the context of it being the cradle of the Orthodox Christianity that they see themselves as protector of
    Yes, they see Moscow as the 3rd Rome, after Constantinople fell. Hence Czar (Caesar).

    But Czar was used by Bulgarian and Serbia rulers long before Constantinople fell, just as Kaiser was used by German-speaking rulers.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    Let’s not go overboard here
    It's not impossible. The Tories could even end up with more Scottish seats than the SNP.
    Nothing is impossible but I think there’s a lot being extrapolated here from what might be a short term difficulty. People are already taking about Tory recovery from Truss FFS
    In the fullness of time it will be shown that Truss's "ignore Nicola Sturgeon" comment was the key moment that burst the SNP's bubble and saved the union. She's playing 4D chess at a level beyond the comprehension of the average political pundit.
    Yes. As I have oft stated on here, Truss is a political titan of the likes we have never seen before. She’s on her way back.
    As SNP leader?
    POTUS I think. PM was small beer to someone of her powers. If anyone can get them to change their constitution, she can
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113
    malcolmg said:

    dr_spyn said:

    More that just a cock up over membership numbers?

    https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1637078435381010433

    the tip of the iceberg has surfaced
    Does the tip of the iceberg ever not surface? Isn’t that what makes it the “tip”?
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,113

    Could we see net Tory gains in Scotland at the next general election 👀?

    This is why, as a Labourite, I want to see a strong SNP.
    A bit less strong would be nice though
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,910

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    Let’s not go overboard here
    It's not impossible. The Tories could even end up with more Scottish seats than the SNP.
    Nothing is impossible but I think there’s a lot being extrapolated here from what might be a short term difficulty. People are already taking about Tory recovery from Truss FFS
    In the fullness of time it will be shown that Truss's "ignore Nicola Sturgeon" comment was the key moment that burst the SNP's bubble and saved the union. She's playing 4D chess at a level beyond the comprehension of the average political pundit.
    Yes. As I have oft stated on here, Truss is a political titan of the likes we have never seen before. She’s on her way back.
    As SNP leader?
    She would be better than Ash Regan...
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,531
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    Let’s not go overboard here
    It's not impossible. The Tories could even end up with more Scottish seats than the SNP.
    Nothing is impossible but I think there’s a lot being extrapolated here from what might be a short term difficulty. People are already taking about Tory recovery from Truss FFS
    In the fullness of time it will be shown that Truss's "ignore Nicola Sturgeon" comment was the key moment that burst the SNP's bubble and saved the union. She's playing 4D chess at a level beyond the comprehension of the average political pundit.
    Yes. As I have oft stated on here, Truss is a political titan of the likes we have never seen before. She’s on her way back.
    A prediction as bold as my New Year's Day one of President Xi being out by the year end.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,232
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    Let’s not go overboard here
    It's not impossible. The Tories could even end up with more Scottish seats than the SNP.
    Nothing is impossible but I think there’s a lot being extrapolated here from what might be a short term difficulty. People are already taking about Tory recovery from Truss FFS
    In the fullness of time it will be shown that Truss's "ignore Nicola Sturgeon" comment was the key moment that burst the SNP's bubble and saved the union. She's playing 4D chess at a level beyond the comprehension of the average political pundit.
    Yes. As I have oft stated on here, Truss is a political titan of the likes we have never seen before. She’s on her way back.
    The career of Jupiter Doke, General, Union Army is instructive…

    http://www.online-literature.com/bierce/2007/
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,590
    algarkirk said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    More that EdM (in 2015) and Rishi (now) are unlucky, really.

    The SNP hegemony over the last decade or so has been remarkable, but there was always a contradiction at the heart of it. It could only hold together for as long as Independence outweighed all other issues. Sturgeon and Cherry shouldn't be in the same party, really. Neither should Forbes and Yousaf.

    It takes a lot of cunning to stitch together a disparate rainbow alliance to achieve a single aim. It takes a miracle to hold that alliance together once the moment has passed- whether the aim suceeds or fails.
    Yes. If you are a single issue nationalist and separatist party at heart then your policies and administration must be very notably centrist in order not to frighten the horses. Your aim is a new multi party democracy, with everyone allowed to fight their corner of the Overton window and beyond.
    'Centrist' by local standards, though. Need to dial down the Tory bit somewhat.

    That was what the party followed, more or less, until Ms Sturgeon shifted to the green alliance - and, independently of that, it should be said, Labour went all right wing and later Brexiter.

    Of course, it leaves the party open to the Labour-LD gerrymander of the modified d'Hondt system (which is precisely why Mr Dewar et al went for that voting system).
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,095

    Could we see net Tory gains in Scotland at the next general election 👀?

    The SNP will have no realistic prospect of delivering independence for several governments, probably for several decades. All they can really fall back on "Is let us negotiate the very best devo maximus - and let us continue to govern Scotland whilst we do."

    Indy was their offer; meanwhile, they have been exposed to be shite - possibly worse - when it comes to actually governing Scotland. You can imagine the Scots saying an emphatic "no...." to that SNP offer. We have already seen SNP membership drop by 30%. It could realistically be down 50% by the next election. If that drop in members is reflected in voters, they are going to lose in a tsunami of seats.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,966
    edited March 2023
    What a finish!
    Do feel for Italy, but only up to a point. Or 7.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,590

    Could we see net Tory gains in Scotland at the next general election 👀?

    The SNP will have no realistic prospect of delivering independence for several governments, probably for several decades. All they can really fall back on "Is let us negotiate the very best devo maximus - and let us continue to govern Scotland whilst we do."

    Indy was their offer; meanwhile, they have been exposed to be shite - possibly worse - when it comes to actually governing Scotland. You can imagine the Scots saying an emphatic "no...." to that SNP offer. We have already seen SNP membership drop by 30%. It could realistically be down 50% by the next election. If that drop in members is reflected in voters, they are going to lose in a tsunami of seats.
    The Salmond admins were a lot better than Labour. So time enough to see what happens.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,287
    good breakaway try for Scotland from their own try line.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,372
    eek said:

    So story on Twitter saying Donald Trump will be indicted on Tuesday - to which the response is

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    Replying to
    @thevivafrei
    If this happens, Trump will be re-elected in a landslide victory

    As I said at the time, the only way for the GOP to escape Trump was to bring him down in 2021/2.

    Game recognises game.
    Or pieces of shit stick together.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    maxh said:

    malcolmg said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @GlennBBC
    now
    Peter Murrell has quit as SNP chief executive with immediate effect

    @malcolmg may actually have just spontaneously exploded with excitement...
    I told you it was coming
    Yeah kudos to you Malcolm - I thought your predictions on here were a bit outlandish but you have been proved very prescient.

    What next do you think?
    Depends now whether Forbes wins and if she really wants to clean out the stables. There is a shedload of no use bootlicker swho were there solely due to being Sturgeon's buddies , pals who were allowed to self id that they were disabled to go from bottom of list to top due to diabetes, dyslexia etc. So most of teh ministers hav eto go , all of the party officials, the droves of spads and hangers on that have gotten jobs etc. It will be a big job to clear it out and if not done then the decline will continue. Be interesting to see if she has the balls for it.
    For sure if Regan then she will clear it out quickly. As long as it is nnot Yousaf then they have a chance to get in shape before the election. There is no-one else worth voting for , London parties one and all.
    If really brave get Salmond back into Holyrood or Westminster, that would set teh cat among the pigeons.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,943

    Could we see net Tory gains in Scotland at the next general election 👀?

    Major made net gains in 1992 in Scotland after Thatcher went, even if losing seats in England and Wales.

    Sunak equally is more popular in Scotland than Boris was
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    That was so close to being the worst performance against a side from Rome since the Battle of Zama.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,372
    edited March 2023
    Speaking of which.

    Boris Johnson’s supporters plotting ‘Spartacus-style’ show of solidarity by voting against any privileges committee sanctions in the Commons

    Vote will also act as a ‘show of force’ to Rishi Sunak of support for Johnson

    https://twitter.com/RichardVaughan1/status/1637003761913659392
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,811
    DougSeal said:

    malcolmg said:

    dr_spyn said:

    More that just a cock up over membership numbers?

    https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1637078435381010433

    the tip of the iceberg has surfaced
    Does the tip of the iceberg ever not surface? Isn’t that what makes it the “tip”?
    No reason why the arse end or any other part could not surface
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,129
    malcolmg said:

    DougSeal said:

    Fuck me if Starmer isn’t a lucky son of a bitch

    I reckon Starmer must have offered the souls of his children to the devil to be this lucky.
    Looks like we could see 2015 in reverse in Scotland at next GE! SNP near wipeout possible!!
    I would not bet on it
    Nor would I. The fundamentals haven't changed: the unionist vote is split and the anti-unionist vote isn't. The SNP core vote have nowhere else to go.
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