Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Sorry.
Reconsider your attitude and your life.
You can start by apologising and making amends.
You need help. I hope you're able to get it as it helped me out with my mental health issues that it seems you are also going through. Really hope you're able to sort it out in time. Good luck.
There is someone out there who is a better football presenter than Gary Lineker: Kate Abdo. I bet the BBC could pick her up for a more reasonable cost.
She is extremely talented presenter. Particularly impressive is the wide range of languages she can speak fluently, enabling her to do real time translation live on air when footballers give interviews and also being able to interview them herself in their native languages.
Interesting. Would the BBC be looking for talent nowadays though?
Well they won't even accept free rights for some sports, so probably not.
They have their cozy club of insiders who get all the gigs, regardless of if they are actually insightful about the sport they are covering. Not just football, we see it with cricket (e.g. Tuffers has f##k all idea about modern cricket, he didn't have much idea about it when he played) and used to with golf (with the likes of Peter Alliss commentating on players he didn't even know who they were).
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Is CR off for a nice, quiet, totally normal pub lunch?
I'm actually a huge fan of you and @SouthamObserver. I'd love to go for a pint with both of you.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Im noticing a lot of people going crazy the last few years. Public figures with huge followings. The likes of Alastair Campbell Russell Brand etc Meantime conspiracy theries that would have been laughed at in 2019 now going mainstream.
Russell Brand is another good call for gone absolutely batshit crazy in middle age. I mean he was never exactly middle of the road kinda of guy, but I have on occasion wondered what he is blabbering on about that got him banned from doing live shows on YouTube and having to use Rumble to broadcast, and its proper mad shit (not exactly a million miles away from Alex Jones shtick that literally everything is a global one world government giant conspiracy).
Also look at Scott Adams, the Dilbert creator. I think a lot of the people have a particular deficiency for the effects of social media. They can easily get into rabbit holes, get riled up by people playing on their prejudices, and the constant inundation of content ends up destroying their critical thinking and they go off the deep end. Lockdown made it all worse as it was their only means of stimulation and it broke some people's minds.
I got off Twitter because of a pissed up argument I had with a Scot Nat over some of the costumes they wear at Lewes Bonfire. Short version, the year they had Big Alex on their bonfire there was a lot of cybernat chatter saying the boys in Sussex modelled some of their costumes on the KKK. I pointed out that the KKK never had such white robes, ironically based on those of Catholic penitents in Spain, until DW Griffiths introduced them on-screen in ‘Birth of a Nation’ in the 1900s, long after the Sussex bonfires came about. It all went downhill from there and I had to delete my account as it was in my real name and mentioned my job. My online ranting is now strictly PB based.
He didn’t drive @Charles off the site. At least, the posts surrounding said departure gave a few other issues.
Charles left because of another user, I hardly even spoke to Charles except calling out his total snobbishness.
He was a twat - and I stand by saying good riddance.
I didn't drive Cyclefree anywhere, I just strongly disagree with her about the trans debate. I said I respected her POV and she said she accepted that. I consider her a friend.
As I said, Casino_Royale really needs to get help. It's very difficult to accept but I can see he is going down the same road I did. Before it is too late.
I wonder if there were people waiting in line to be gassed at Treblinka who thought “this is easily as bad as the time the BBC cut its funding on symphony orchestras by 15%”
The BBC is worse than the Nazis. At least there was a classical orchestra in Auschwitz:
First they came for the Jews, and gassed them all, and I said nothing
Then they came for the asylum seekers, and said mean things, and I said nothing
Then they came for the BBC Singers and that really got my goat
Has anyone heard from the Cliff Adams Singers lately? ‘Sing Something Simple’ used to come on after the Top 40 when Radio 1 shared its FM band with Radio 2. Reminded me I had to go back to school in the AM. Hated it. A similarly disgruntled Gen Xer probably did for them.
Gassed, apparently.
I know. Hard to believe. Not just one of them either. They gassed every single Cliff Adams Singer, just like that - and then they burned all their LPs as “degenerate art”
They actually asked the Tory minister how they could justify this. He said it was “The Vinyl Solution”
Look, I’m not saying necessarily that I agree with the genocidal elimination of the entirety of the Cliff Adams Singers, I’m just saying that we have to look at the context of the times before casting judgement on the perpetrators, who were in all likelihood only following the orders of their superiors at Radio 1.
I believe many of them died from disease and food shortages rather than from any particular actions of the authorities who had relocated them for their own safety, and in any case far fewer of them died than is commonly accepted. In fact David Irving is writing a book on this.
Ex pb-er @RodCrosby claims that at least one of the Cliff Adams Singers drowned in his own swimming pool
We don't have a TV licence, not because I'm anti BBC but because we genuinely don't watch any content on any platform that requires one. So I'm not really bothered by its tribulations, anti/pro Government bias or how it pays its talent-I dont pay for it, so it's none of my business. I do feel that Lineker should be able to say whatever he wants on social media-as should we all- and then be accountable for what we say. Lineker's word might have been a bit strong for some, but what I take from it was that he was concerned by the words spoken by the government, not actually comparing the government to 30s Germany. He shouldn't be sacked or suspended, and for a government so unpopular, picking manufactured fights with people more popular than them, and then conducting those fights so ineptly that a major BBC programme like MOTD is disrupted is beyond Darwinism!
The problem is if you want to watch non-BBC channels you still have to pay the BBC licence fee, even if you never watch BBC programmes.
Absolutely. Them's the rules, and if you watch or record anything "live" from a "recognised" broadcasting channel (youtube lives streams dont count, but something like watching live tennis on Prime does) or watch BBC iPlayer then you need a TV licence. You can watch any other On Demand stuff you want without a licence, so there's plenty to go at.
The law is so outdated that Sky News on YouTube that's illegal to watch without a licence, but any massive YouTuber / Twitch streamer who does live shows to much bigger audiences that's perfectly legal (because they aren't available over the air).
The reality of it, nothing is actually enforceable. The only people getting done for not having paid the telly tax are because they aren't very well educated and manage to basically incriminate themselves.
Yeah. The threatening letters Capita send out get ever more nasty, but the reality of it is that the letters hold no legal authority, and you can just ignore them. It's best to just go online and tell them you don't need a licence. Saves all the hassle, although I have had over 10 ever increasingly nastier letters from them at the house we own thar we're refurbing to move into, and can't be arsed to tell them again it doesn't need a licence.
Got those for my late dad's house. Even less sense as it's not even as much of an offence in Scotland as it is south of the border.
Though the BBC likes to keep such things in the dark, I believe Scotland has the highest refusal rate on the licence in the UK. I imagine discretion is the better part of valour north of Gretna, and the detector vans and associated bs are even more phantasmogoric.
I think I'm right in saying that there has never been a conviction on the evidence supplied by a detector van. Because they have never existed....
I don't think I've seen the British Right so antagonized as it now is over Gary Linekar. This is surely because they saw hatred of immigrants as their final touchstone - the issue they could rely upon as being sacred to both them and the lower orders. But now people involved in soccer - that most working class of sports - are starting to peel away from the issue. It's a terrifying prospect. British conservatism is becoming a movement without a cause.
To be fair i dont think hardcore footie fans are the most anti immigrant now. its more older people who might watch football in a casual way.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Is CR off for a nice, quiet, totally normal pub lunch?
I'm actually a huge fan of you and @SouthamObserver. I'd love to go for a pint with both of you.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
Im noticing a lot of people going crazy the last few years. Public figures with huge followings. The likes of Alastair Campbell Russell Brand etc Meantime conspiracy theries that would have been laughed at in 2019 now going mainstream.
Russell Brand is another good call for gone absolutely batshit crazy in middle age. I mean he was never exactly middle of the road kinda of guy, but I have on occasion wondered what he is blabbering on about that got him banned from doing live shows on YouTube and having to use Rumble to broadcast, and its proper mad shit (not exactly a million miles away from Alex Jones shtick that literally everything is a global one world government giant conspiracy).
Also look at Scott Adams, the Dilbert creator. I think a lot of the people have a particular deficiency for the effects of social media. They can easily get into rabbit holes, get riled up by people playing on their prejudices, and the constant inundation of content ends up destroying their critical thinking and they go off the deep end. Lockdown made it all worse as it was their only means of stimulation and it broke some people's minds.
Another good example. 5-6 years ago he used to make very interesting observations about the reasons behind the rise of Trumpism, while managing to retain a semblance of reasonableness, and he was actually spot on about a lot of his insights. I am trying to remember the podcast he did, but he laid out the "tricks" Trump was using (even if it was subconscious) and why given the situation in America they were working. Now his rambling about political / social situation has descended into totally mental (but the cartoons are still good).
Le tissier will be a fan of his as he said the antivaxxers were right.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Charles wasn’t doxxed by Ishmael, he had made his identity known for a long time. It just kicked off when Ishmael pulled him up for something and mentioned that he knew relatives of Charles who wouldn’t behave the way Charles had and so Charles walked away.
I would like to see them both back as Charles had interesting insight into areas which enriched the site and Ishmael was a fantastically curmudgeonly bastard who also knew a lot of interesting things.
David Icke surely made the strangest transition, from the BBC TV News sports commentator and an ex-goalkeeper for Coventry to believing he was God's sole messenger.
This could be the moment that the Tories lost the culture war.
The Conservatives will be delighted with the entire episode. The more time's wasted hyperventilating over the fate of an ex-footballer's media career, the less time's spent discussing the fact that their latest get tough approach to the boat people will utterly fail to stop them, in the same fashion as all previous efforts.
Blanket deportations will be defeated in the courts and almost everyone turning up in a dinghy will end up staying forever, and Sunak and Braverman both know it. It's all just for show.
Yup. And the message heard by many will be that Lineker was cross because the Government is going to get tough on the evil foreigners. Sadly, that’s what many want the Government to do - see the various examples of local anger about asylum seekers housed nearby.
People getting so angry about it implies it will happen - the Starmer/Cooper line that it’s performative nonsense was better opposition.
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
He didn’t drive @Charles off the site. At least, the posts surrounding said departure gave a few other issues.
Charles left because of another user, I hardly even spoke to Charles except calling out his total snobbishness.
He was a twat - and I stand by saying good riddance.
I didn't drive Cyclefree anywhere, I just strongly disagree with her about the trans debate. I said I respected her POV and she said she accepted that. I consider her a friend.
As I said, Casino_Royale really needs to get help. It's very difficult to accept but I can see he is going down the same road I did. Before it is too late.
I don't need help. You need help.
I see you've repeated your abuse, which is sad. He is a good man. And your comments are out of order.
You are abdicating responsibility. You need to log off and have a good think about your behaviour. This "consider a friend" stuff is sad and nonsensical. I've met Cyclefree several times in real time and have an actual real relationship with her. You do not. Until you have such statements are meaningless and irrelevant.
I am a real person. So is Charles and Cyclefree. Your behaviour has had real world effects on both of them, that I think you'd (deep down) be ashamed of yourself if you really knew.
I wonder if there were people waiting in line to be gassed at Treblinka who thought “this is easily as bad as the time the BBC cut its funding on symphony orchestras by 15%”
The BBC is worse than the Nazis. At least there was a classical orchestra in Auschwitz:
First they came for the Jews, and gassed them all, and I said nothing
Then they came for the asylum seekers, and said mean things, and I said nothing
Then they came for the BBC Singers and that really got my goat
Has anyone heard from the Cliff Adams Singers lately? ‘Sing Something Simple’ used to come on after the Top 40 when Radio 1 shared its FM band with Radio 2. Reminded me I had to go back to school in the AM. Hated it. A similarly disgruntled Gen Xer probably did for them.
Gassed, apparently.
I know. Hard to believe. Not just one of them either. They gassed every single Cliff Adams Singer, just like that - and then they burned all their LPs as “degenerate art”
They actually asked the Tory minister how they could justify this. He said it was “The Vinyl Solution”
Look, I’m not saying necessarily that I agree with the genocidal elimination of the entirety of the Cliff Adams Singers, I’m just saying that we have to look at the context of the times before casting judgement on the perpetrators, who were in all likelihood only following the orders of their superiors at Radio 1.
I believe many of them died from disease and food shortages rather than from any particular actions of the authorities who had relocated them for their own safety, and in any case far fewer of them died than is commonly accepted. In fact David Irving is writing a book on this.
Ex pb-er @RodCrosby claims that at least one of the Cliff Adams Singers drowned in his own swimming pool
I didn’t know Rod Crosby had his own swimming pool.
He didn’t drive @Charles off the site. At least, the posts surrounding said departure gave a few other issues.
Charles left because of another user, I hardly even spoke to Charles except calling out his total snobbishness.
He was a twat - and I stand by saying good riddance.
I didn't drive Cyclefree anywhere, I just strongly disagree with her about the trans debate. I said I respected her POV and she said she accepted that. I consider her a friend.
As I said, Casino_Royale really needs to get help. It's very difficult to accept but I can see he is going down the same road I did. Before it is too late.
I don't need help. You need help.
I see you've repeated your abuse, which is sad. He is a good man. And your comments are out of order.
You are abdicating responsibility. You need to log off and have a good think about your behaviour. This "consider a friend" stuff is sad and nonsensical. I've met Cyclefree several times in real time and have an actual real relationship with her. You do not. Until you have such statements are meaningless and irrelevant.
I am a real person. So is Charles and Cyclefree. Your behaviour has had real world effects on both of them, that I think you'd (deep down) be ashamed of yourself if you really knew.
Log off. Think about it.
Think about it.
Get help. I am not going to converse with you any further beyond saying you need help. I hope you are able to get it.
The funny thing is you can just imagine the kind of discussion that took place.
"Prime Minister, in line with your cunning plan of getting tough with migrants to win back the racist vote, let's really get the BBC to crack the whip against broadcasters who aren't toeing the line. Good idea?"
Sunak grins inanely.
Phone call to BBC ...
.. And now this ...
It may have been a distraction tactic on their part to get Sunak bunging the French £500mn in return for being smiled at for a couple of hours off the front pages.
He wasn't just smiled at. He copped lots of pats and squeezes. Nice to see so long as consensual - which I think it was.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Sorry.
Reconsider your attitude and your life.
You can start by apologising and making amends.
You need help. I hope you're able to get it as it helped me out with my mental health issues that it seems you are also going through. Really hope you're able to sort it out in time. Good luck.
You're projecting your own issues on me.
Your bad behaviour has corroded the site, and royally wound me up. That's your problem not mine.
Stop it. You can apologise anytime. You can also approach me privately if you're too embarrassed to do it publicly.
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
Totally avoidable. They just had to say they'd monitor his social media usage and leave it there. A mountain out of a molehill.
I wonder if there were people waiting in line to be gassed at Treblinka who thought “this is easily as bad as the time the BBC cut its funding on symphony orchestras by 15%”
The BBC is worse than the Nazis. At least there was a classical orchestra in Auschwitz:
First they came for the Jews, and gassed them all, and I said nothing
Then they came for the asylum seekers, and said mean things, and I said nothing
Then they came for the BBC Singers and that really got my goat
Has anyone heard from the Cliff Adams Singers lately? ‘Sing Something Simple’ used to come on after the Top 40 when Radio 1 shared its FM band with Radio 2. Reminded me I had to go back to school in the AM. Hated it. A similarly disgruntled Gen Xer probably did for them.
Gassed, apparently.
I know. Hard to believe. Not just one of them either. They gassed every single Cliff Adams Singer, just like that - and then they burned all their LPs as “degenerate art”
They actually asked the Tory minister how they could justify this. He said it was “The Vinyl Solution”
Look, I’m not saying necessarily that I agree with the genocidal elimination of the entirety of the Cliff Adams Singers, I’m just saying that we have to look at the context of the times before casting judgement on the perpetrators, who were in all likelihood only following the orders of their superiors at Radio 1.
I believe many of them died from disease and food shortages rather than from any particular actions of the authorities who had relocated them for their own safety, and in any case far fewer of them died than is commonly accepted. In fact David Irving is writing a book on this.
Ex pb-er @RodCrosby claims that at least one of the Cliff Adams Singers drowned in his own swimming pool
I didn’t know Rod Crosby had his own swimming pool.
Didn't he make so much money out of betting on one GE he either bought a plane or at very least became a regular pilot of a plane?
David Icke surely made the strangest transition, from the BBC TV News sports commentator and an ex-goalkeeper for Coventry to believing he was God's sole messenger.
Perhaps Tim Davie can bring him on ?
Then theres this guy John Mappin.
UPDATE REPORT FROM SWITZERLAND The game is well and truly up. People here know that the injection is lethal. If you have taken the injection, detox the body as fast as you can. The strongest justice, allowed by law will follow for those responsible. It’s Genocide.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Sorry.
Reconsider your attitude and your life.
You can start by apologising and making amends.
He didn’t drive @Charles off the site. At least, the posts surrounding said departure gave a few other issues.
Stop defending the indefensible because he shares your politics and start calling out bad behaviour please.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I don’t like it when anyone leaves, or gets banned. Even if I find them obnoxious, PB is a pub and a pub needs people
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
There is plenty of time for scrutiny, if it's going to be a real policy.
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
Totally avoidable. They just had to say they'd monitor his social media usage and leave it there. A mountain out of a molehill.
I am pretty sure that was the initial discussion. Gary could you please say sorry for comparisons to Nazi Germany and just reign it in a bit, but then he said to the media he didn't regret a single word and he would be on MOTD regardless. He effectively challenged the BBC management to do something.
The obvious fudge would have been for Lineker to say he stands by his criticism of the government migrant policy but regrets the wording he used. And the world should / would have moved on.
I think this is where Morgan on ITV was very hard done by (despite disliking his style and the fact he should never be near the media after his time running the Mirror), he did actually that, he made a criticism that was actually accurate but probably poorly expressed, he apologised for the way he expressed it, then they shit canned him anyway.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Charles wasn’t doxxed by Ishmael, he had made his identity known for a long time. It just kicked off when Ishmael pulled him up for something and mentioned that he knew relatives of Charles who wouldn’t behave the way Charles had and so Charles walked away.
I would like to see them both back as Charles had interesting insight into areas which enriched the site and Ishmael was a fantastically curmudgeonly bastard who also knew a lot of interesting things.
Looks at the group of people who walked away from pb.com due to abuse and harassment from fellow posters. Looks at the group of people still posting on pb.com.
The BBC's long-running Radio 5 Live show Fighting Talk, where guests compete for points, has also been pulled from Saturday's scheduling. In a tweet , presenter Colin Murray said: "No Fighting Talk today, for obvious reasons. In the interest of transparency, this was a decision taken by the entire FT team and myself."
Never heard of it, but apparently still within the sports area. The BBC must be praying that news and current affairs staff don't get in on the act.
I don't think I've seen the British Right so antagonized as it now is over Gary Linekar. This is surely because they saw hatred of immigrants as their final touchstone - the issue they could rely upon as being sacred to both them and the lower orders. But now people involved in soccer - that most working class of sports - are starting to peel away from the issue. It's a terrifying prospect. British conservatism is becoming a movement without a cause.
To be fair i dont think hardcore footie fans are the most anti immigrant now. its more older people who might watch football in a casual way.
As always with these anti-social media centred arguments, they entirely lack nuance. I'd wager that the bulk of the country is, simultaneously, sympathetic to asylum seeking as a concept and unsympathetic to the boat people. The conveyor belt of boat people - mostly young men, about half of whom are from the ruined, war-torn, famine ravaged hell of, erm, Albania (absolutely none of whom are coming over to make money in the black economy or as career criminals, of course,) - causes political ructions. Ukrainians and Hongkongers don't. QED.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I didn’t think anyone could be as pompous as Charles but I have now had to revise that opinion.
The BBC's long-running Radio 5 Live show Fighting Talk, where guests compete for points, has also been pulled from Saturday's scheduling. In a tweet , presenter Colin Murray said: "No Fighting Talk today, for obvious reasons. In the interest of transparency, this was a decision taken by the entire FT team and myself."
Never heard of it, but apparently still within the sports area. The BBC must be praying that news and current affairs staff don't get in on the act.
Enjoyable show even if you don’t like boxing. I listen to it if they’re reviewing opera on Building a Library. I enjoy engaging people talking about things they have expertise in even if I don’t have much interest in the topic. Which is why Lineker gets paid so much.
The BBC's long-running Radio 5 Live show Fighting Talk, where guests compete for points, has also been pulled from Saturday's scheduling. In a tweet , presenter Colin Murray said: "No Fighting Talk today, for obvious reasons. In the interest of transparency, this was a decision taken by the entire FT team and myself."
Never heard of it, but apparently still within the sports area. The BBC must be praying that news and current affairs staff don't get in on the act.
Don’t they have anyone who is actually on the payroll and required to go to work? Actually, surely a lot of these freelancers are in breach of contract if they had previously agreed to turn up?
He didn’t drive @Charles off the site. At least, the posts surrounding said departure gave a few other issues.
Charles left because of another user, I hardly even spoke to Charles except calling out his total snobbishness.
He was a twat - and I stand by saying good riddance.
I didn't drive Cyclefree anywhere, I just strongly disagree with her about the trans debate. I said I respected her POV and she said she accepted that. I consider her a friend.
As I said, Casino_Royale really needs to get help. It's very difficult to accept but I can see he is going down the same road I did. Before it is too late.
I don't need help. You need help.
I see you've repeated your abuse, which is sad. He is a good man. And your comments are out of order.
You are abdicating responsibility. You need to log off and have a good think about your behaviour. This "consider a friend" stuff is sad and nonsensical. I've met Cyclefree several times in real time and have an actual real relationship with her. You do not. Until you have such statements are meaningless and irrelevant.
I am a real person. So is Charles and Cyclefree. Your behaviour has had real world effects on both of them, that I think you'd (deep down) be ashamed of yourself if you really knew.
Log off. Think about it.
Think about it.
Get help. I am not going to converse with you any further beyond saying you need help. I hope you are able to get it.
Good luck.
You need the help, not me. You are too weak and embarrassed to admit you have a problem here.
But of course you do. You know you do. What I've said today has struck a chord with you.
Think it through, process it, digest it, and come back a better man.
The BBC's long-running Radio 5 Live show Fighting Talk, where guests compete for points, has also been pulled from Saturday's scheduling. In a tweet , presenter Colin Murray said: "No Fighting Talk today, for obvious reasons. In the interest of transparency, this was a decision taken by the entire FT team and myself."
Never heard of it, but apparently still within the sports area. The BBC must be praying that news and current affairs staff don't get in on the act.
There's something incredibly exciting about a wildcat strike.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Sorry.
Reconsider your attitude and your life.
You can start by apologising and making amends.
What's happened to cyclefree ?
PB would be definitely the worse without her.
She quit below the line, in large part because of the behaviour of @CorrectHorseBattery
Compared to its competitors, BBC Sport coverage has been pitiful for a couple of decades. It can't compete on the money. What it does offer is a piss-poor compromised effort.
The BBC now has an opportunity to do what it should have done many years ago - walk away from sport.
That BBC Press Release:
"No more MOTD.
No more Grand National.
No Wimbledon.
No more women's football.
Well done, Garry Lineker. You must be very proud."
The BBC's long-running Radio 5 Live show Fighting Talk, where guests compete for points, has also been pulled from Saturday's scheduling. In a tweet , presenter Colin Murray said: "No Fighting Talk today, for obvious reasons. In the interest of transparency, this was a decision taken by the entire FT team and myself."
Never heard of it, but apparently still within the sports area. The BBC must be praying that news and current affairs staff don't get in on the act.
Don’t they have anyone who is actually on the payroll and required to go to work? Actually, surely a lot of these freelancers are in breach of contract if they had previously agreed to turn up?
And who knows? Perhaps the BBC's contract with Gary Lineker doesn't just entitle the BBC to do what the hell it likes? I hope we'll find out.
Fear not, both Charles and Cycle still post but under new names. Pretty easy to spot them imo.
Is Charles HYUFD?
Nah, HYUFD doesn't name drop in the way Charles did. HYUFD is very much considered in his own opinions and will not have them changed but he's always pleasant in the way he does it, unlike me and many others.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Charles wasn’t doxxed by Ishmael, he had made his identity known for a long time. It just kicked off when Ishmael pulled him up for something and mentioned that he knew relatives of Charles who wouldn’t behave the way Charles had and so Charles walked away.
I would like to see them both back as Charles had interesting insight into areas which enriched the site and Ishmael was a fantastically curmudgeonly bastard who also knew a lot of interesting things.
Looks at the group of people who walked away from pb.com due to abuse and harassment from fellow posters. Looks at the group of people still posting on pb.com.
Are we the baddies?
No, we are not the Nazis.
You are Garry Lineker - and I claim my five goals of the month.
... Gary could you please say sorry for comparisons to Nazi Germany ...
Don't you see that was the point?
Yes, but I think it was overline, like Clarkson's tits and dragons comment and some of Morgan's way of expressing his disgust at Megan Merkle detachment form the truth. But regardless of if it was or wasn't, the obvious classical political fudge would be to say sorry if I caused offense to those who suffered under the Nazis, I will be more careful when criticising others, but I stand by my position that the government's policy is flawed.
Job done, we all move on, face saved all round.
It has rather descended into the sort of behaviour you see on the playground.
Compared to its competitors, BBC Sport coverage has been pitiful for a couple of decades. It can't compete on the money. What it does offer is a piss-poor compromised effort.
The BBC now has an opportunity to do what it should have done many years ago - walk away from sport.
That BBC Press Release:
"No more MOTD.
No more Grand National.
No Wimbledon.
No more women's football.
Well done, Garry Lineker. You must be very proud."
Hopefully they'll proof-read it before it goes out and spell Gary properly.
David Icke surely made the strangest transition, from the BBC TV News sports commentator and an ex-goalkeeper for Coventry to believing he was God's sole messenger.
Perhaps Tim Davie can bring him on as sub ?
That would be mega-genius level trolling from the beeb. Replace Lineker with David Icke
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I don’t like it when anyone leaves, or gets banned. Even if I find them obnoxious, PB is a pub and a pub needs people
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
Totally avoidable. They just had to say they'd monitor his social media usage and leave it there. A mountain out of a molehill.
I am pretty sure that was the initial discussion. Gary could you please say sorry for comparisons to Nazi Germany and just reign it in a bit, but then he said to the media he didn't regret a single word and he would be on MOTD regardless. He effectively challenged the BBC management to do something.
The obvious fudge would have been for Lineker to say he stands by his criticism of the government migrant policy but regrets the wording he used. And the world should / would have moved on.
I think this is where Morgan on ITV was very hard done by (despite disliking his style and the fact he should never be near the media after his time running the Mirror), he did actually that, he made a criticism that was actually accurate but probably poorly expressed, he apologised for the way he expressed it, then they shit canned him anyway.
But he doesn't have that view. That's free speech. Who pays him is irrelevant. Taxpayers pay me, and literally millions of others, too. The question is, whether he brought his "employer" into disrepute? The BBC seems to be claiming ANY political view* whatsoever does so. That's an unsustainable position in the long term, not least because no one will choose to work for them. As we are seeing now.
*Does anyone believe for a second a tweet in favour of the government's agreement with France would have had the same result?
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I don’t like it when anyone leaves, or gets banned. Even if I find them obnoxious, PB is a pub and a pub needs people
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I don’t like it when anyone leaves, or gets banned. Even if I find them obnoxious, PB is a pub and a pub needs people
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
Quite right. Rod was a seriously heavyweight statistician and psychologist. His participation was a great fillip to the site. Yes, he had a few odd views - that the Stratford man wasn't the author of the works of Shakespeare - but, as Christopher Hitchens said, the hearing of such views is salutary in itself because it makes us ask ourselves how we know that they're not true.
I wonder if there were people waiting in line to be gassed at Treblinka who thought “this is easily as bad as the time the BBC cut its funding on symphony orchestras by 15%”
The BBC is worse than the Nazis. At least there was a classical orchestra in Auschwitz:
First they came for the Jews, and gassed them all, and I said nothing
Then they came for the asylum seekers, and said mean things, and I said nothing
Then they came for the BBC Singers and that really got my goat
Has anyone heard from the Cliff Adams Singers lately? ‘Sing Something Simple’ used to come on after the Top 40 when Radio 1 shared its FM band with Radio 2. Reminded me I had to go back to school in the AM. Hated it. A similarly disgruntled Gen Xer probably did for them.
Gassed, apparently.
I know. Hard to believe. Not just one of them either. They gassed every single Cliff Adams Singer, just like that - and then they burned all their LPs as “degenerate art”
They actually asked the Tory minister how they could justify this. He said it was “The Vinyl Solution”
Look, I’m not saying necessarily that I agree with the genocidal elimination of the entirety of the Cliff Adams Singers, I’m just saying that we have to look at the context of the times before casting judgement on the perpetrators, who were in all likelihood only following the orders of their superiors at Radio 1.
I believe many of them died from disease and food shortages rather than from any particular actions of the authorities who had relocated them for their own safety, and in any case far fewer of them died than is commonly accepted. In fact David Irving is writing a book on this.
Ex pb-er @RodCrosby claims that at least one of the Cliff Adams Singers drowned in his own swimming pool
I didn’t know Rod Crosby had his own swimming pool.
Didn't he make so much money out of betting on one GE he either bought a plane or at very least became a regular pilot of a plane?
He said he won £50k betting on Trump in 2016 IIRC.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I don’t like it when anyone leaves, or gets banned. Even if I find them obnoxious, PB is a pub and a pub needs people
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I don’t like it when anyone leaves, or gets banned. Even if I find them obnoxious, PB is a pub and a pub needs people
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
Quite right. Rod was a seriously heavyweight statistician and psychologist. His participation was a great fillip to the site. Yes, he had a few odd views - that the Stratford man wasn't the author of the works of Shakespeare - but, as Christopher Hitchens said, the hearing of such views is salutary in itself because it makes us ask ourselves how we know that they're not true.
Before my time but I’ve looked at his last few posts before banning and I think that Shakespearean authorship was the least of his…erm…odd views…
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I don’t like it when anyone leaves, or gets banned. Even if I find them obnoxious, PB is a pub and a pub needs people
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
Quite right. Rod was a seriously heavyweight statistician and psychologist. His participation was a great fillip to the site. Yes, he had a few odd views - that the Stratford man wasn't the author of the works of Shakespeare - but, as Christopher Hitchens said, the hearing of such views is salutary in itself because it makes us ask ourselves how we know that they're not true.
I think it was the rather "odd" views on the history of Jews that were more problematic.
However, there was no denying that his analysis was polling was very good, I had numerous conversions with him about the models he was using and there was always some academic background to them.
Utterly off-topic, but I’ve just trotted back down from this snowbound ruined castle just west of Llyn Tegid. A 6k circuit in the (pretty deep still, at times) snow, without passing another soul.
I really do love this island, our history written in strata through the landscape.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I don’t like it when anyone leaves, or gets banned. Even if I find them obnoxious, PB is a pub and a pub needs people
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
Compared to its competitors, BBC Sport coverage has been pitiful for a couple of decades. It can't compete on the money. What it does offer is a piss-poor compromised effort.
The BBC now has an opportunity to do what it should have done many years ago - walk away from sport.
That BBC Press Release:
"No more MOTD.
No more Grand National.
No Wimbledon.
No more women's football.
Well done, Garry Lineker. You must be very proud."
Hopefully they'll proof-read it before it goes out and spell Gary properly.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Sorry.
Reconsider your attitude and your life.
You can start by apologising and making amends.
You need help. I hope you're able to get it as it helped me out with my mental health issues that it seems you are also going through. Really hope you're able to sort it out in time. Good luck.
You're projecting your own issues on me.
Your bad behaviour has corroded the site, and royally wound me up. That's your problem not mine.
Stop it. You can apologise anytime. You can also approach me privately if you're too embarrassed to do it publicly.
I won't mind.
There are an awful lot of motes & planks around here all of a sudden. I wonder why that is?
(Not aimed at you in particular Casino, but a selective calling out of some posters for their choice of language & not others is quite noticeable.)
David Icke surely made the strangest transition, from the BBC TV News sports commentator and an ex-goalkeeper for Coventry to believing he was God's sole messenger.
Perhaps Tim Davie can bring him on as sub ?
That would be mega-genius level trolling from the beeb. Replace Lineker with David Icke
Fear not, both Charles and Cycle still post but under new names. Pretty easy to spot them imo.
Disagree.
I also strongly believe that, unless a poster returning under a new name engages in egregious sock-puppetry, such as praising their other usernames contributions, that it is antisocial to engage in such speculation. If people have returned under a new identity to escape the long-running arguments their previous identity was subject to, then we should let them be.
Disclosure: I've posted under a few different names in the past, losing access to previous ones due to ineptitude. Timothy (likes zebras) and Oblitussumme were the main ones, but there have been others.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Charles wasn’t doxxed by Ishmael, he had made his identity known for a long time. It just kicked off when Ishmael pulled him up for something and mentioned that he knew relatives of Charles who wouldn’t behave the way Charles had and so Charles walked away.
I would like to see them both back as Charles had interesting insight into areas which enriched the site and Ishmael was a fantastically curmudgeonly bastard who also knew a lot of interesting things.
Looks at the group of people who walked away from pb.com due to abuse and harassment from fellow posters. Looks at the group of people still posting on pb.com.
Are we the baddies?
No, we are not the Nazis.
You are Garry Lineker - and I claim my five goals of the month.
I wasn’t going to mention but you’ve done it twice now. You don’t spell his first name like that.
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
Totally avoidable. They just had to say they'd monitor his social media usage and leave it there. A mountain out of a molehill.
I am pretty sure that was the initial discussion. Gary could you please say sorry for comparisons to Nazi Germany and just reign it in a bit, but then he said to the media he didn't regret a single word and he would be on MOTD regardless. He effectively challenged the BBC management to do something.
The obvious fudge would have been for Lineker to say he stands by his criticism of the government migrant policy but regrets the wording he used. And the world should / would have moved on.
I think this is where Morgan on ITV was very hard done by (despite disliking his style and the fact he should never be near the media after his time running the Mirror), he did actually that, he made a criticism that was actually accurate but probably poorly expressed, he apologised for the way he expressed it, then they shit canned him anyway.
But he doesn't have that view. That's free speech. Who pays him is irrelevant. Taxpayers pay me, and literally millions of others, too. The question is, whether he brought his "employer" into disrepute? The BBC seems to be claiming ANY political view* whatsoever does so. That's an unsustainable position in the long term, not least because no one will choose to work for them. As we are seeing now.
*Does anyone believe for a second a tweet in favour of the government's agreement with France would have had the same result?
I personally don't give a toss what Lineker says on twitter. Its all very predictable and doesn't really provide any insight. However, my point was more about how in many other cases both in politics and the media these situations are resolved in a grown up manner, you apologise for any offense caused (without apologising for the premise of your views) and everybody moves on within a few hours.
By the same reasoning, Morgan shouldn't have got canned from ITV nor the calls for Clarkson to get the sack (which many who are defending Lineker were part of it).
Fear not, both Charles and Cycle still post but under new names. Pretty easy to spot them imo.
Disagree.
I also strongly believe that, unless a poster returning under a new name engages in egregious sock-puppetry, such as praising their other usernames contributions, that it is antisocial to engage in such speculation. If people have returned under a new identity to escape the long-running arguments their previous identity was subject to, then we should let them be.
Disclosure: I've posted under a few different names in the past, losing access to previous ones due to ineptitude. Timothy (likes zebras) and Oblitussumme were the main ones, but there have been others.
But that was the argument Charles tried to make.
He said it was unreasonable he be doxxed but then he spent his time telling us basically who he was and all of the connections he had. At that point whilst Ishmael wasn't very nice in what he did, he basically served himself up on a platter.
It's the same issue I have with Sean, if he wants a new identity he could just have one but he tells us like 8 times a day who he is so at that point, how can you doxx him when he does it himself?
There is another user who actually has changed their profile and wanted that to be respected - that is fine.
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
Totally avoidable. They just had to say they'd monitor his social media usage and leave it there. A mountain out of a molehill.
I am pretty sure that was the initial discussion. Gary could you please say sorry for comparisons to Nazi Germany and just reign it in a bit, but then he said to the media he didn't regret a single word and he would be on MOTD regardless. He effectively challenged the BBC management to do something.
The obvious fudge would have been for Lineker to say he stands by his criticism of the government migrant policy but regrets the wording he used. And the world should / would have moved on.
I think this is where Morgan on ITV was very hard done by (despite disliking his style and the fact he should never be near the media after his time running the Mirror), he did actually that, he made a criticism that was actually accurate but probably poorly expressed, he apologised for the way he expressed it, then they shit canned him anyway.
But he doesn't have that view. That's free speech. Who pays him is irrelevant. Taxpayers pay me, and literally millions of others, too. The question is, whether he brought his "employer" into disrepute? The BBC seems to be claiming ANY political view* whatsoever does so. That's an unsustainable position in the long term, not least because no one will choose to work for them. As we are seeing now.
*Does anyone believe for a second a tweet in favour of the government's agreement with France would have had the same result?
I personally don't give a toss what Lineker says on twitter. Its all very predictable and doesn't really provide any insight. However, my point was more about how in many other cases both in politics and the media these situations are resolved in a grown up manner, you apologise for any offense caused (without apologising for the premise of your views) and everybody moves on within a few hours.
By the same reasoning, Morgan shouldn't have got canned from ITV nor the calls for Clarkson to get the sack (which many who are defending Lineker were part of it).
Hold on, Morgan literally walked off ITV because he was challenged.
Just seen an interesting comment elsewhere, basically saying that before social media you could assume (or pretend) that most of your idols, sporting or otherwise, had the same reasonable political views as yourself, despite no evidence to support it.
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
Totally avoidable. They just had to say they'd monitor his social media usage and leave it there. A mountain out of a molehill.
I am pretty sure that was the initial discussion. Gary could you please say sorry for comparisons to Nazi Germany and just reign it in a bit, but then he said to the media he didn't regret a single word and he would be on MOTD regardless. He effectively challenged the BBC management to do something.
The obvious fudge would have been for Lineker to say he stands by his criticism of the government migrant policy but regrets the wording he used. And the world should / would have moved on.
I think this is where Morgan on ITV was very hard done by (despite disliking his style and the fact he should never be near the media after his time running the Mirror), he did actually that, he made a criticism that was actually accurate but probably poorly expressed, he apologised for the way he expressed it, then they shit canned him anyway.
But he doesn't have that view. That's free speech. Who pays him is irrelevant. Taxpayers pay me, and literally millions of others, too. The question is, whether he brought his "employer" into disrepute? The BBC seems to be claiming ANY political view* whatsoever does so. That's an unsustainable position in the long term, not least because no one will choose to work for them. As we are seeing now.
*Does anyone believe for a second a tweet in favour of the government's agreement with France would have had the same result?
I personally don't give a toss what Lineker says on twitter. Its all very predictable and doesn't really provide any insight. However, my point was more about how in many other cases both in politics and the media these situations are resolved in a grown up manner, you apologise for any offense caused (without apologising for the premise of your views) and everybody moves on within a few hours.
By the same reasoning, Morgan shouldn't have got canned from ITV nor the calls for Clarkson to get the sack (which many who are defending Lineker were part of it).
Hold on, Morgan literally walked off ITV because he was challenged.
He was asked to apologise by ITV bosses for the way he expressed his criticisms, he did, they still sacked him. And the worst bit, his central criticism was that Megan told a loads of lies in her Oprah interview was actually correct.
And of course, Morgan whole routine through COVID was to be especially rude about everybody, that was his shtick, so it was about as surprising as Lineker tweeting criticism of Brexit or Tories.
I don't give a toss if anyone wants to say I am actually CorrectHorseBattery2 or CorrectHorseBattery, because it is obvious I am, trying to pretend otherwise and throwing an anger tantrum would be silly.
I was rightfully banned under those two iterations, I am thankful that the site gave me another chance and was respectful - mostly - of the issues I have been quite open about.
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
Totally avoidable. They just had to say they'd monitor his social media usage and leave it there. A mountain out of a molehill.
I am pretty sure that was the initial discussion. Gary could you please say sorry for comparisons to Nazi Germany and just reign it in a bit, but then he said to the media he didn't regret a single word and he would be on MOTD regardless. He effectively challenged the BBC management to do something.
The obvious fudge would have been for Lineker to say he stands by his criticism of the government migrant policy but regrets the wording he used. And the world should / would have moved on.
I think this is where Morgan on ITV was very hard done by (despite disliking his style and the fact he should never be near the media after his time running the Mirror), he did actually that, he made a criticism that was actually accurate but probably poorly expressed, he apologised for the way he expressed it, then they shit canned him anyway.
But he doesn't have that view. That's free speech. Who pays him is irrelevant. Taxpayers pay me, and literally millions of others, too. The question is, whether he brought his "employer" into disrepute? The BBC seems to be claiming ANY political view* whatsoever does so. That's an unsustainable position in the long term, not least because no one will choose to work for them. As we are seeing now.
*Does anyone believe for a second a tweet in favour of the government's agreement with France would have had the same result?
I personally don't give a toss what Lineker says on twitter. Its all very predictable and doesn't really provide any insight. However, my point was more about how in many other cases both in politics and the media these situations are resolved in a grown up manner, you apologise for any offense caused (without apologising for the premise of your views) and everybody moves on within a few hours.
By the same reasoning, Morgan shouldn't have got canned from ITV nor the calls for Clarkson to get the sack (which many who are defending Lineker were part of it).
Thats the thing with lineker you know what hes going to say on any issue. He could mix it up a bit to be more interesting perhaps come out against trans rights.
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Sorry.
Reconsider your attitude and your life.
You can start by apologising and making amends.
What's happened to cyclefree ?
PB would be definitely the worse without her.
She quit below the line, in large part because of the behaviour of @CorrectHorseBattery
He seems to be struggling to accept this.
NB. What does “quit below the line” mean in this context?
Fear not, both Charles and Cycle still post but under new names. Pretty easy to spot them imo.
Disagree.
I also strongly believe that, unless a poster returning under a new name engages in egregious sock-puppetry, such as praising their other usernames contributions, that it is antisocial to engage in such speculation. If people have returned under a new identity to escape the long-running arguments their previous identity was subject to, then we should let them be.
Disclosure: I've posted under a few different names in the past, losing access to previous ones due to ineptitude. Timothy (likes zebras) and Oblitussumme were the main ones, but there have been others.
But that was the argument Charles tried to make.
He said it was unreasonable he be doxxed but then he spent his time telling us basically who he was and all of the connections he had. At that point whilst Ishmael wasn't very nice in what he did, he basically served himself up on a platter.
It's the same issue I have with Sean, if he wants a new identity he could just have one but he tells us like 8 times a day who he is so at that point, how can you doxx him when he does it himself?
There is another user who actually has changed their profile and wanted that to be respected - that is fine.
No. People are in charge of how much of their personal details they want to share and how comfortable they are with others discussing it. I don't think we should have too much difficulty in respecting that, even if people are sometimes a bit self-contradictory about it.
The BBC's long-running Radio 5 Live show Fighting Talk, where guests compete for points, has also been pulled from Saturday's scheduling. In a tweet , presenter Colin Murray said: "No Fighting Talk today, for obvious reasons. In the interest of transparency, this was a decision taken by the entire FT team and myself."
Never heard of it, but apparently still within the sports area. The BBC must be praying that news and current affairs staff don't get in on the act.
Don’t they have anyone who is actually on the payroll and required to go to work? Actually, surely a lot of these freelancers are in breach of contract if they had previously agreed to turn up?
And who knows? Perhaps the BBC's contract with Gary Lineker doesn't just entitle the BBC to do what the hell it likes? I hope we'll find out.
Erm, those things are not the same. The BBC can choose to still pay him if there’s any legal risk, but not have him on screen. For the pundits I would find it surprising if they can just choose not to turn up without there being any consequences beyond a loss of pay that day.
It does look like a major crisis of credibility for the BBC now, with its entire schedule of football coverage wrecked, and the appearance that the BBC bowed to government pressure to silence one of its presenters.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
Totally avoidable. They just had to say they'd monitor his social media usage and leave it there. A mountain out of a molehill.
I am pretty sure that was the initial discussion. Gary could you please say sorry for comparisons to Nazi Germany and just reign it in a bit, but then he said to the media he didn't regret a single word and he would be on MOTD regardless. He effectively challenged the BBC management to do something.
The obvious fudge would have been for Lineker to say he stands by his criticism of the government migrant policy but regrets the wording he used. And the world should / would have moved on.
I think this is where Morgan on ITV was very hard done by (despite disliking his style and the fact he should never be near the media after his time running the Mirror), he did actually that, he made a criticism that was actually accurate but probably poorly expressed, he apologised for the way he expressed it, then they shit canned him anyway.
But he doesn't have that view. That's free speech. Who pays him is irrelevant. Taxpayers pay me, and literally millions of others, too. The question is, whether he brought his "employer" into disrepute? The BBC seems to be claiming ANY political view* whatsoever does so. That's an unsustainable position in the long term, not least because no one will choose to work for them. As we are seeing now.
*Does anyone believe for a second a tweet in favour of the government's agreement with France would have had the same result?
I personally don't give a toss what Lineker says on twitter. Its all very predictable and doesn't really provide any insight. However, my point was more about how in many other cases both in politics and the media these situations are resolved in a grown up manner, you apologise for any offense caused (without apologising for the premise of your views) and everybody moves on within a few hours.
By the same reasoning, Morgan shouldn't have got canned from ITV nor the calls for Clarkson to get the sack (which many who are defending Lineker were part of it).
Oh indeed. It almost always does. The problem is where does it end if that always happens? I am very disturbed by some of the arguments made on here. Particularly the "we pay his wages, so he should shut up..." I work in the Public Sector too. What is the logical endpoint if that is allowed to stand?
The BBC has found a defender - reports the BBC! Someone who has come out in support of the BBC is billionaire and philanthropist John Caudwell. He is well known as the founder of former retailer Phones 4U, and is a major donor to the Conservative party - he gave the Tories £500,000 ahead of the 2019 general election.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but - £500,000 - isn't that nearly enough to buy the chairmanship of our impartial national broadcaster?
Fear not, both Charles and Cycle still post but under new names. Pretty easy to spot them imo.
Disagree.
I also strongly believe that, unless a poster returning under a new name engages in egregious sock-puppetry, such as praising their other usernames contributions, that it is antisocial to engage in such speculation. If people have returned under a new identity to escape the long-running arguments their previous identity was subject to, then we should let them be.
Disclosure: I've posted under a few different names in the past, losing access to previous ones due to ineptitude. Timothy (likes zebras) and Oblitussumme were the main ones, but there have been others.
But that was the argument Charles tried to make.
He said it was unreasonable he be doxxed but then he spent his time telling us basically who he was and all of the connections he had. At that point whilst Ishmael wasn't very nice in what he did, he basically served himself up on a platter.
It's the same issue I have with Sean, if he wants a new identity he could just have one but he tells us like 8 times a day who he is so at that point, how can you doxx him when he does it himself?
There is another user who actually has changed their profile and wanted that to be respected - that is fine.
No. People are in charge of how much of their personal details they want to share and how comfortable they are with others discussing it. I don't think we should have too much difficulty in respecting that, even if people are sometimes a bit self-contradictory about it.
Rule number one. Don't be a dick.
Yes but if a user literally uses their previous iterations in such a way to attack others, then the idea of doxxing is irrelevant.
Charles came on here and used to tell us how great he was and how fantastic his life and friends were. Ishmael used that against him. Was Ishmael right? Probably not. But Charles' defence was ridiculous.
The BBC's long-running Radio 5 Live show Fighting Talk, where guests compete for points, has also been pulled from Saturday's scheduling. In a tweet , presenter Colin Murray said: "No Fighting Talk today, for obvious reasons. In the interest of transparency, this was a decision taken by the entire FT team and myself."
Never heard of it, but apparently still within the sports area. The BBC must be praying that news and current affairs staff don't get in on the act.
Don’t they have anyone who is actually on the payroll and required to go to work? Actually, surely a lot of these freelancers are in breach of contract if they had previously agreed to turn up?
And who knows? Perhaps the BBC's contract with Gary Lineker doesn't just entitle the BBC to do what the hell it likes? I hope we'll find out.
Erm, those things are not the same. The BBC can choose to still pay him if there’s any legal risk, but not have him on screen. For the pundits I would find it surprising if they can just choose not to turn up without there being any consequences beyond a loss of pay that day.
If you've seen the contracts, please do enlighten us. It would be very interesting.
My contention with @Cyclefree was specifically around trans rights. We had an argument I thought was reasonable, I said she was here to argue in good faith unlike many others on that and I thought that was accepted.
If I had caused her to leave then I can only apologise for that, I did not mean for it to happen. But I do stand by what I said.
But yes I don't doubt the users in question are posting in some form, this site is hard to resist, I am sure many of us are slightly obsessed with it
Yes. It's a pub with some wacky characters in it. A fight in the corner. Earnest discussions on rail gauges at one table. A bit of politics. Some very distinctive characters. Never boring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDpDhofRoXA
Fear not, both Charles and Cycle still post but under new names. Pretty easy to spot them imo.
Disagree.
I also strongly believe that, unless a poster returning under a new name engages in egregious sock-puppetry, such as praising their other usernames contributions, that it is antisocial to engage in such speculation. If people have returned under a new identity to escape the long-running arguments their previous identity was subject to, then we should let them be.
Disclosure: I've posted under a few different names in the past, losing access to previous ones due to ineptitude. Timothy (likes zebras) and Oblitussumme were the main ones, but there have been others.
Trust me, I'm right. It's one of my few talents. But I agree about not speculating, that's why I didn't state the new names.
So, this Lineker thing has exploded as it was obviously going to do. So we have the Conservative Party installing its stooges to openly censor commentary and taking "state broadcaster" to new and exciting levels.
Don't worry, HY will be on shortly to actually point out that actually the red wall actually don't like football actually.
And now it seems a whole BBC radio station has gone off the air: We have an update on the BBC's radio station, 5 Live, which would normally be covering today's football matches, including commentary and punditry. A senior source from the programme said "5 Live's sports programmes are currently being impacted and we are running recorded content".
Today, we have learnt that Lefties are thick, predictable, stupid, herd-like, hyberbolic, surprisingly sensitive, entirely lacking in self-awareness, dumb, possess no sense of irony, hysterical, brainless, and enthusiastic sheep.
Actually, maybe we already knew that.
Did I mention they were idiots?
Anyway, my day beckons.
Happy frothing everyone.
Sounds like it's you that's losing it, yet again.
He'll tell you or me to fuck off or challenge us to a fight soon.
Which you richly deserved.
You drove two friends of mine off the site- @Charles and @Cyclefree - who I know in real life, and you've been personally abusive to me (repeatedly) for no reason other than the fact you dislike my politics.
I am sympathetic to the fact you have mental health issues - and I don't want anyone to suffer from that - but your needy behaviour where you are desperate to be both right and liked (coupled with nastiness and abuse on top) is totally unacceptable - and has real world impacts - and doesn't get a free pass from me for its impact on people I care about. You more than anyone should know that.
Yes, Ishmael told Charles that he knew some of his cousins and they were nowhere near as pompous and name-dropping as he was. Charles took umbrage and departed.
I don’t like it when anyone leaves, or gets banned. Even if I find them obnoxious, PB is a pub and a pub needs people
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
Quite right. Rod was a seriously heavyweight statistician and psychologist. His participation was a great fillip to the site. Yes, he had a few odd views - that the Stratford man wasn't the author of the works of Shakespeare - but, as Christopher Hitchens said, the hearing of such views is salutary in itself because it makes us ask ourselves how we know that they're not true.
Before my time but I’ve looked at his last few posts before banning and I think that Shakespearean authorship was the least of his…erm…odd views…
Yes, he fell into the same category as the Red Dwarf joke - “provided you don’t mention politics the Gorings are a lovely couple”. Provided you kept him away from the holocaust…..
The BBC has found a defender - reports the BBC! Someone who has come out in support of the BBC is billionaire and philanthropist John Caudwell. He is well known as the founder of former retailer Phones 4U, and is a major donor to the Conservative party - he gave the Tories £500,000 ahead of the 2019 general election.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but - £500,000 - isn't that nearly enough to buy the chairmanship of our impartial national broadcaster?
He's paid the impartiality fee. Therefore the BBC must broadcast his views.
Don't forget that 2019 Labour voters supported Corbyn, probably especially in Scotland. So the polling is probably correct this far out. Closer to an election, voters will be squeezed and will need to decide whether they want the Tories to stay in government.
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They have their cozy club of insiders who get all the gigs, regardless of if they are actually insightful about the sport they are covering. Not just football, we see it with cricket (e.g. Tuffers has f##k all idea about modern cricket, he didn't have much idea about it when he played) and used to with golf (with the likes of Peter Alliss commentating on players he didn't even know who they were).
I also like many others like @stodge @Peter_the_Punter @Cicero @Foxy @OnlyLivingBoy @Wulfrun_Phil and strangely even @DougSeal , where the name and icon might help told. There are others too.
I'm only rude to those whose behaviour is out of order, and/or I don't respect.
And it's never the case for you.
introduced them on-screen in ‘Birth of a Nation’ in the 1900s, long after the Sussex bonfires came about. It all went downhill from there and I had to delete my account as it was in my real name and mentioned my job. My online ranting is now strictly PB based.
He was a twat - and I stand by saying good riddance.
I didn't drive Cyclefree anywhere, I just strongly disagree with her about the trans debate. I said I respected her POV and she said she accepted that. I consider her a friend.
As I said, Casino_Royale really needs to get help. It's very difficult to accept but I can see he is going down the same road I did. Before it is too late.
I think you know my views on @IshmaelZ
PB would be definitely the worse without her.
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I would like to see them both back as Charles had interesting insight into areas which enriched the site and Ishmael was a fantastically curmudgeonly bastard who also knew a lot of interesting things.
Perhaps Tim Davie can bring him on as sub ?
People getting so angry about it implies it will happen - the Starmer/Cooper line that it’s performative nonsense was better opposition.
And, well, Linekar's tweet was in my view ill-judged hyperbole. Comparisons with Nazi Germany often are. But unless they cross the line into anti-Semitism, people should be perfectly free to make themselves ridiculous by making absurd comparisons.
Meanwhile the government completely escapes scrutiny for the performative cruelty of its refugee policy thanks to Linekar's intervention. If that isn't what he was aiming for, then perhaps he should reflect on the wisdom of his analogy.
I see you've repeated your abuse, which is sad. He is a good man. And your comments are out of order.
You are abdicating responsibility. You need to log off and have a good think about your behaviour. This "consider a friend" stuff is sad and nonsensical. I've met Cyclefree several times in real time and have an actual real relationship with her. You do not. Until you have such statements are meaningless and irrelevant.
I am a real person. So is Charles and Cyclefree. Your behaviour has had real world effects on both of them, that I think you'd (deep down) be ashamed of yourself if you really knew.
Log off. Think about it.
Think about it.
Good luck.
Your bad behaviour has corroded the site, and royally wound me up. That's your problem not mine.
Stop it. You can apologise anytime. You can also approach me privately if you're too embarrassed to do it publicly.
I won't mind.
UPDATE REPORT FROM SWITZERLAND The game is well and truly up. People here know that the injection is lethal. If you have taken the injection, detox the body as fast as you can. The strongest justice, allowed by law will follow for those responsible. It’s Genocide.
https://twitter.com/JohnMappin/status/1632407057000198144?s=20
Like i said strange times.
You don't want to lose my respect.
@charles is much missed. Quite wise and thoughtful
And yes @IshmaelZ could be a little vituperative and nasty, esp after a drink, but he was also clever and witty and had refreshingly unusual opinions
I also liked @RodCrosby
I accept that Holocaust Denial is right up there in the list of modern social sins but if you believe in free speech you believe in free speech. And I do. Also he was a nice guy in private communication and an actual genius in some of his political analysis
And bring back @isam as well
Bring everyone back!
The obvious fudge would have been for Lineker to say he stands by his criticism of the government migrant policy but regrets the wording he used. And the world should / would have moved on.
I think this is where Morgan on ITV was very hard done by (despite disliking his style and the fact he should never be near the media after his time running the Mirror), he did actually that, he made a criticism that was actually accurate but probably poorly expressed, he apologised for the way he expressed it, then they shit canned him anyway.
Are we the baddies?
In a tweet
, presenter Colin Murray said: "No Fighting Talk today, for obvious reasons. In the interest of transparency, this was a decision taken by the entire FT team and myself."
Never heard of it, but apparently still within the sports area. The BBC must be praying that news and current affairs staff don't get in on the act.
But of course you do. You know you do. What I've said today has struck a chord with you.
Think it through, process it, digest it, and come back a better man.
Good luck.
He seems to be struggling to accept this.
The BBC now has an opportunity to do what it should have done many years ago - walk away from sport.
That BBC Press Release:
"No more MOTD.
No more Grand National.
No Wimbledon.
No more women's football.
Well done, Garry Lineker. You must be very proud."
You are Garry Lineker - and I claim my five goals of the month.
Job done, we all move on, face saved all round.
It has rather descended into the sort of behaviour you see on the playground.
Talking of which - it’s Saturday morning and n’ere sniff of one. Is it a holiday in Smolensk?
That's free speech.
Who pays him is irrelevant. Taxpayers pay me, and literally millions of others, too.
The question is, whether he brought his "employer" into disrepute?
The BBC seems to be claiming ANY political view* whatsoever does so. That's an unsustainable position in the long term, not least because no one will choose to work for them.
As we are seeing now.
*Does anyone believe for a second a tweet in favour of the government's agreement with France would have had the same result?
However, there was no denying that his analysis was polling was very good, I had numerous conversions with him about the models he was using and there was always some academic background to them.
Utterly off-topic, but I’ve just trotted back down from this snowbound ruined castle just west of Llyn Tegid. A 6k circuit in the (pretty deep still, at times) snow, without passing another soul.
I really do love this island, our history written in strata through the landscape.
(Not aimed at you in particular Casino, but a selective calling out of some posters for their choice of language & not others is quite noticeable.)
I also strongly believe that, unless a poster returning under a new name engages in egregious sock-puppetry, such as praising their other usernames contributions, that it is antisocial to engage in such speculation. If people have returned under a new identity to escape the long-running arguments their previous identity was subject to, then we should let them be.
Disclosure: I've posted under a few different names in the past, losing access to previous ones due to ineptitude. Timothy (likes zebras) and Oblitussumme were the main ones, but there have been others.
By the same reasoning, Morgan shouldn't have got canned from ITV nor the calls for Clarkson to get the sack (which many who are defending Lineker were part of it).
He said it was unreasonable he be doxxed but then he spent his time telling us basically who he was and all of the connections he had. At that point whilst Ishmael wasn't very nice in what he did, he basically served himself up on a platter.
It's the same issue I have with Sean, if he wants a new identity he could just have one but he tells us like 8 times a day who he is so at that point, how can you doxx him when he does it himself?
There is another user who actually has changed their profile and wanted that to be respected - that is fine.
And of course, Morgan whole routine through COVID was to be especially rude about everybody, that was his shtick, so it was about as surprising as Lineker tweeting criticism of Brexit or Tories.
I was rightfully banned under those two iterations, I am thankful that the site gave me another chance and was respectful - mostly - of the issues I have been quite open about.
Rule number one. Don't be a dick.
The problem is where does it end if that always happens?
I am very disturbed by some of the arguments made on here. Particularly the "we pay his wages, so he should shut up..."
I work in the Public Sector too.
What is the logical endpoint if that is allowed to stand?
Someone who has come out in support of the BBC is billionaire and philanthropist John Caudwell.
He is well known as the founder of former retailer Phones 4U, and is a major donor to the Conservative party - he gave the Tories £500,000 ahead of the 2019 general election.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but - £500,000 - isn't that nearly enough to buy the chairmanship of our impartial national broadcaster?
Charles came on here and used to tell us how great he was and how fantastic his life and friends were. Ishmael used that against him. Was Ishmael right? Probably not. But Charles' defence was ridiculous.
If you're just guessing, not so much ...
If I had caused her to leave then I can only apologise for that, I did not mean for it to happen. But I do stand by what I said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDpDhofRoXA
Don't worry, HY will be on shortly to actually point out that actually the red wall actually don't like football actually.
We have an update on the BBC's radio station, 5 Live, which would normally be covering today's football matches, including commentary and punditry.
A senior source from the programme said "5 Live's sports programmes are currently being impacted and we are running recorded content".
But his polling analysis was top drawer.