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edited November 15 in General
Invoking God – the craziest political ad you are ever likely to see – politicalbetting.com

I love you, Ron.On behalf of millions of people, never stop fighting for freedom. pic.twitter.com/5wcopo041U

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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,333
    edited November 5
    Bizarre.

    So glad we don't get that kind of [email protected] in this country.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,903
    DavidL said:

    Bizarre

    Your reminder that Leon thinks this guy isn't a wannabe Fascist.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,250
    NEW: @BloombergUK Saturday read

    Tory MPs — including some in the Cabinet — are worried the Sunak/Hunt tax rises and spending cuts will go too far, killing off growth and their electoral prospects

    One Cabinet minister says Sunak risks managing UK decline

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/tories-fear-sunak-is-just-managing-britain-s-decline-and-they-want-a-vision-for-growth
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,333
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bizarre

    Your reminder that Leon thinks this guy isn't a wannabe Fascist.
    It's a wonder anyone as delusional as that can have a coherent philosophy at all.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,923
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bizarre

    Your reminder that Leon thinks this guy isn't a wannabe Fascist.
    This advert is cheesy, silly, cringeworthy and peculiarly American, but I can’t discern a hint of Fascism. Where is it? The mere fact he invokes God?

    I can also see this ad working with less educated, religious Americans. Hispanic Catholic blue collar etc.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,333
    @ydoethur's prediction that Hales would not get going is doing the job for England so far.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,616
    holy shit
  • RogerRoger Posts: 17,467
    SID & DORIS

    .....meanwhile away from the celestial world but just as bonkers James O'Brien talks Brexit

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXv5Ta7qccU
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,616
    edited November 5
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: @BloombergUK Saturday read

    Tory MPs — including some in the Cabinet — are worried the Sunak/Hunt tax rises and spending cuts will go too far, killing off growth and their electoral prospects

    One Cabinet minister says Sunak risks managing UK decline

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/tories-fear-sunak-is-just-managing-britain-s-decline-and-they-want-a-vision-for-growth

    Good old leaky Sue.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,903
    DavidL said:

    @ydoethur's prediction that Hales would not get going is doing the job for England so far.

    If he had been given out there, I would have blamed you.

    For a ghastly moment I thought he would be.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,333
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    @ydoethur's prediction that Hales would not get going is doing the job for England so far.

    If he had been given out there, I would have blamed you.

    For a ghastly moment I thought he would be.
    Nah, it was clear he hit the ground with his bat. And the damage is already done because the power play is when Sri Lanka were flying and England are ahead.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,923
    Observation. Iceland is full of young Chinese tourists. I’ve seen them across the country. They are obviously wealthy, with expensive winter clothes

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it. Maybe Xi has ordered all the plain ones to stay home, to promote China’s image abroad
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,903
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    @ydoethur's prediction that Hales would not get going is doing the job for England so far.

    If he had been given out there, I would have blamed you.

    For a ghastly moment I thought he would be.
    Nah, it was clear he hit the ground with his bat. And the damage is already done because the power play is when Sri Lanka were flying and England are ahead.
    Boy, you really are determined to screw this up for us, aren't you?!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,482
    DavidL said:

    Bizarre.

    So glad we don't get that kind of [email protected] in this country.

    Definitely seen weirder ads, particularly in smaller races, but is it more worrying that someone is so conceited they think and are willing to say God is essentially annointing them, or that it presumably works on some people?

    We don't do more than humour monarchs who try that sort of lin enow.
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,313
    Jonathan said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: @BloombergUK Saturday read

    Tory MPs — including some in the Cabinet — are worried the Sunak/Hunt tax rises and spending cuts will go too far, killing off growth and their electoral prospects

    One Cabinet minister says Sunak risks managing UK decline

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/tories-fear-sunak-is-just-managing-britain-s-decline-and-they-want-a-vision-for-growth

    Good old leaky Sue.
    I would argue that apart from brief moments of optimism under T Blair and Thatcher, successive UK PMs (incl those 2) have managed decline....... its a reality that British voters need to wake up to.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,022
    Excellent start. All about staying focused, keeping cool and closing it out! 👍
  • Curious stat on the subject;

    For Republicans, it's becoming more apparent that they value the *idea* of religion without actually participating.

    In 2008, 17% of Republicans who never/seldom attended said religion was very important.

    In 2021, that had risen to 27%.

    To be Republican is to be religious.


    https://twitter.com/ryanburge/status/1588570590809829376

    Probably easier to do Republican stuff if you're not being exposed to all that "who is my neighbour?" talk on a regular basis.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,903

    Excellent start. All about staying focused, keeping cool and closing it out! 👍

    Why can you guys not keep your mouths shut?!!!
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,285
    Roger said:

    SID & DORIS

    .....meanwhile away from the celestial world but just as bonkers James O'Brien talks Brexit

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXv5Ta7qccU

    "bonkers James O'Brien" is unusually accurate...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,333
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    @ydoethur's prediction that Hales would not get going is doing the job for England so far.

    If he had been given out there, I would have blamed you.

    For a ghastly moment I thought he would be.
    Nah, it was clear he hit the ground with his bat. And the damage is already done because the power play is when Sri Lanka were flying and England are ahead.
    Boy, you really are determined to screw this up for us, aren't you?!
    Ha, superb catch in fairness.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,646
    In reply to OGH's lead article today.

    Dear God!
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,646
    Leon said:

    Observation. Iceland is full of young Chinese tourists. I’ve seen them across the country. They are obviously wealthy, with expensive winter clothes

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it. Maybe Xi has ordered all the plain ones to stay home, to promote China’s image abroad

    FYI. Knappers Hill runs today in the 3.00 Wincanton.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,333
    stjohn said:

    In reply to OGH's lead article today.

    Dear God!

    I am not sure that God is worthy of such a titan.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 42,824
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: @BloombergUK Saturday read

    Tory MPs — including some in the Cabinet — are worried the Sunak/Hunt tax rises and spending cuts will go too far, killing off growth and their electoral prospects

    One Cabinet minister says Sunak risks managing UK decline

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/tories-fear-sunak-is-just-managing-britain-s-decline-and-they-want-a-vision-for-growth

    Six years and they've only just noticed?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,903
    Now Stokes in at 3, rather than the more aggressive Moeen.

    This could go wrong.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 42,824
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bizarre

    Your reminder that Leon thinks this guy isn't a wannabe Fascist.
    It's a wonder anyone as delusional as that can have a coherent philosophy at all.
    DeSantis isn't much better, either
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,660
    edited November 5
    Floridians voted in a binding referendum to overturn the ban of former convicts from voting.

    De Santis has done everything in his power to overturn this result. Making it close to impossible for former convicts to know if they have paid off any outstanding fines (the GOP decided that if you had any fines outstanding you were still not eligible to vote) as there is no centralised source of what fines a person owes (smells like an illegal poll tax to me).

    He's then launched a high profile campaign of arresting people for voter fraud for voting having failed to pay off fines. In every case the people arrested had been sent voter registration papers by the state and in many cases they can confirmed with the state that they were eligible to vote. Only to be arrested later under the byzantium system of secret fines.

    And DeSantis boasts about this.

    The policy is discouraging eligible voters from voting in Florida as they are scared about being arrested for Election fraud. The voter suppression effect is enormous - he's probably disenfranchised more Black voters than any living politician in America.

    He passes laws to punish corporations who don't align with his political views.

    De Santis is a fascist.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,482
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: @BloombergUK Saturday read

    Tory MPs — including some in the Cabinet — are worried the Sunak/Hunt tax rises and spending cuts will go too far, killing off growth and their electoral prospects

    One Cabinet minister says Sunak risks managing UK decline

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/tories-fear-sunak-is-just-managing-britain-s-decline-and-they-want-a-vision-for-growth

    I'm sure they have a better plan.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,923
    I’m still waiting to hear why this naff and embarrassing advert is also “Fascist”

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,903
    I have to go in a minute. But would @DavidL and @londonpubman kindly refrain from further predictions now they've cost us two set batsmen?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,913
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: @BloombergUK Saturday read

    Tory MPs — including some in the Cabinet — are worried the Sunak/Hunt tax rises and spending cuts will go too far, killing off growth and their electoral prospects

    One Cabinet minister says Sunak risks managing UK decline

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/tories-fear-sunak-is-just-managing-britain-s-decline-and-they-want-a-vision-for-growth

    Some of said exactly that, on the day the PM was elected appointed!
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,301
    Ishmael_Z said:

    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins

    "Camp of the Saints" back to the bestseller list?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,022
    ydoethur said:

    I have to go in a minute. But would @DavidL and @londonpubman kindly refrain from further predictions now they've cost us two set batsmen?

    Sri Lanka on top now? 😈
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,482
    Leon said:

    I’m still waiting to hear why this naff and embarrassing advert is also “Fascist”

    Alistair lists reasons why de Santis is, but not the ad itself. The ad is ridiculous and worrying, but I'd be hard pressed to pinpoint specific ideology.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,250
    Leon said:

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it.

    When I was but a callow youth, I asked my boss at the time why (in my experience) the girls that attended the expensive private school we did some work at were universally more attractive than the girls at the local comp.

    His reply was "money"

    So you have in fact answered your own question

    Generally affluent women are more attractive than less affluent ones.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Leon said:

    I’m still waiting to hear why this naff and embarrassing advert is also “Fascist”

    Religion is bad and unprogressive
    Fascism is bad and unprogressive
    Therefore religion is fascism

    Just as

    Socrates is mortal
    Oak trees are mortal
    Therefore Socrates is an oak tree.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it.

    When I was but a callow youth, I asked my boss at the time why (in my experience) the girls that attended the expensive private school we did some work at were universally more attractive than the girls at the local comp.

    His reply was "money"

    So you have in fact answered your own question

    Generally affluent women are more attractive than less affluent ones.
    Genetically, or clothes and make up?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,066
    Leon said:

    Observation. Iceland is full of young Chinese tourists. I’ve seen them across the country. They are obviously wealthy, with expensive winter clothes

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it. Maybe Xi has ordered all the plain ones to stay home, to promote China’s image abroad

    Members of the 0.1% probably.
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it.

    When I was but a callow youth, I asked my boss at the time why (in my experience) the girls that attended the expensive private school we did some work at were universally more attractive than the girls at the local comp.

    His reply was "money"

    So you have in fact answered your own question

    Generally affluent women are more attractive than less affluent ones.
    Genetically, or clothes and make up?
    Its because rich men attract more attractive women...darwinism in action
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    kyf_100 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins

    "Camp of the Saints" back to the bestseller list?
    Think the media might be stirring things up to be honest
  • TresTres Posts: 1,362
    edited November 5
    Hopefully in a week it can be consigned to history alongside Fizzy Lizzy's Instagram page.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 7,938
    Martin10 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it.

    When I was but a callow youth, I asked my boss at the time why (in my experience) the girls that attended the expensive private school we did some work at were universally more attractive than the girls at the local comp.

    His reply was "money"

    So you have in fact answered your own question

    Generally affluent women are more attractive than less affluent ones.
    Genetically, or clothes and make up?
    Its because rich men attract more attractive women...darwinism in action
    Welcome Martin. Looking forward to more posts.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 42,824
    ydoethur said:

    Excellent start. All about staying focused, keeping cool and closing it out! 👍

    Why can you guys not keep your mouths shut?!!!
    You could all focus on watching the men tapping a ball away with a stick and then running up and down while someone else goes to fetch it, and leave the rest of us untroubled by all the gripping details...
  • TimSTimS Posts: 2,758
    OT, the weather today is biblically awful. November is God’s punishment for something.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 7,938
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Leon said:

    I’m still waiting to hear why this naff and embarrassing advert is also “Fascist”

    Religion is bad and unprogressive
    Fascism is bad and unprogressive
    Therefore religion is fascism

    Just as

    Socrates is mortal
    Oak trees are mortal
    Therefore Socrates is an oak tree.
    Is he. I didn't know that.

    I like that one. Will have to remember it for future discussions with hyufd.
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    Interesting views on twitter from joe biden

    U.S. President Joe Biden has said that the social media platform, Twitter, purchased by Elon Musk, spews lies across the world.

    https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1588722230653247488?s=20&t=iuZWMDB_LGmnT0fNkRQWoA
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,066
    TimS said:

    OT, the weather today is biblically awful. November is God’s punishment for something.

    Whereabouts? It's okay in Brentwood which is where I am atm.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,571
    On topic. To be honest, I actually thought it was very good for about 30secs - then, just like all pastiche made by the enemy to take the piss out of someone, it incrementally got sillier and sillier in a bid to destroy Big Ron’s chances.

    His campaign should rightly sue whoever put that out there.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,913
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Observation. Iceland is full of young Chinese tourists. I’ve seen them across the country. They are obviously wealthy, with expensive winter clothes

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it. Maybe Xi has ordered all the plain ones to stay home, to promote China’s image abroad

    Members of the 0.1% probably.
    0.1% of 1.4bn people, is an awful lot of them!
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    On topic. To be honest, I actually thought it was very good for about 30secs - then, just like all pastiche made by the enemy to take the piss out of someone, it incrementally got sillier and sillier in a bid to destroy Big Ron’s chances.

    His campaign should rightly sue whoever put that out there.

    YANTIA
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    Clearly the media seems to have an agenda now to stir up this asylum issue. Fact is ilkegal immigration is dwarfed by about 300000 per year legal immigration anyway
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,660
    Welp, Late surge of Dem Nevada ballots has raised their status from "Compeltely doomed" to "probably doomed". The 'firewall' is still way to low to give Dems the win but it is very interesting that they managed to increase it by a significant percentage yesterday. They need to add another 20k votes to be at a level to have any confidence.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1588748515085164544
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Martin10 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins

    "Camp of the Saints" back to the bestseller list?
    Think the media might be stirring things up to be honest
    Tis a Home Office press release. So stirring yes, press no.

    Here's some stirring

    https://mattgoodwin.substack.com/p/britain-has-lost-control-of-its-borders
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 2,553

    Curious stat on the subject;

    For Republicans, it's becoming more apparent that they value the *idea* of religion without actually participating.

    In 2008, 17% of Republicans who never/seldom attended said religion was very important.

    In 2021, that had risen to 27%.

    To be Republican is to be religious.


    https://twitter.com/ryanburge/status/1588570590809829376

    Probably easier to do Republican stuff if you're not being exposed to all that "who is my neighbour?" talk on a regular basis.

    Their alleged religion is a big scam . The evangelicals have become a campaigning group just peddling hate and bigotry with zero humanity . They’re also hypocrites . Just see what’s happening in Georgia with Herschel Walker .

  • stjohn said:

    In reply to OGH's lead article today.

    Dear God!

    God should sue.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,571
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: @BloombergUK Saturday read

    Tory MPs — including some in the Cabinet — are worried the Sunak/Hunt tax rises and spending cuts will go too far, killing off growth and their electoral prospects

    One Cabinet minister says Sunak risks managing UK decline

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/tories-fear-sunak-is-just-managing-britain-s-decline-and-they-want-a-vision-for-growth

    Some of said exactly that, on the day the PM was elected appointed!
    It sounds like something Leaky Sue would say, if she wasn’t so shy in coming forward.
  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    OT, the weather today is biblically awful. November is God’s punishment for something.

    Whereabouts? It's okay in Brentwood which is where I am atm.
    November is a month with no redeeming qualities..dark nights that get darker and miserable weather...the worst month of the year
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,913
    Martin10 said:

    Interesting views on twitter from joe biden

    U.S. President Joe Biden has said that the social media platform, Twitter, purchased by Elon Musk, spews lies across the world.

    https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1588722230653247488?s=20&t=iuZWMDB_LGmnT0fNkRQWoA

    Indeed so. The While House had to delete a Tweet last week claiming that petrol prices had come down during Biden’s tenure, after Twitter fact-checked it as false.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,381
    I was listening last night to some crazy ranting on Radio 4 from some lunatic Republicans.

    Saying that 'America was built on the Bible and is a Christian country and must go back to being that again'. Strange. For a people that so loved the 2nd Amendment, they forget the first lines of their own Constitution that explicitly say that America ISN'T a Christian country.

    Some other lunatic was saying that the Democrats are the devil and should be killed, but when asked said that he wasn't advocating hate speech.

    I wonder if these lunatics ever truly won, who they'd then blame when their country collapsed back into the dark ages.......
  • kjhkjh Posts: 7,938
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent start. All about staying focused, keeping cool and closing it out! 👍

    Why can you guys not keep your mouths shut?!!!
    You could all focus on watching the men tapping a ball away with a stick and then running up and down while someone else goes to fetch it, and leave the rest of us untroubled by all the gripping details...
    Ian you are obviously in a feisty mood this morning and up for a fight. I love seeing the pictures of your dog on PB, being the owner of a mad mutt myself, but I think you have just opened up yourself from the cricket lovers with the argument of hypocrisy. Good luck.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Martin10 said:

    Clearly the media seems to have an agenda now to stir up this asylum issue. Fact is ilkegal immigration is dwarfed by about 300000 per year legal immigration anyway

    Again, HO press release, not something an intrepid reporter ferreted out for himself.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 17,467
    `'This is the most inaccurate political ad ever made......EVERY offer proved false'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbNvA5PtUzk


  • Martin10Martin10 Posts: 142
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Martin10 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins

    "Camp of the Saints" back to the bestseller list?
    Think the media might be stirring things up to be honest
    Tis a Home Office press release. So stirring yes, press no.

    Here's some stirring

    https://mattgoodwin.substack.com/p/britain-has-lost-control-of-its-borders
    Its the tory strategy now...lets be beastly to migrants to shore up the core vote as they have failed everywhere else
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,923
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it.

    When I was but a callow youth, I asked my boss at the time why (in my experience) the girls that attended the expensive private school we did some work at were universally more attractive than the girls at the local comp.

    His reply was "money"

    So you have in fact answered your own question

    Generally affluent women are more attractive than less affluent ones.
    Yes of course. It’s why Trump has beautiful daughters: as a rich man he could acquire beautiful partners

    However, I am specifically wondering why the rich CHINESE are so spectacularly beautiful. The assortative mating in the Chinese elite must be quite something
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    kjh said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent start. All about staying focused, keeping cool and closing it out! 👍

    Why can you guys not keep your mouths shut?!!!
    You could all focus on watching the men tapping a ball away with a stick and then running up and down while someone else goes to fetch it, and leave the rest of us untroubled by all the gripping details...
    Ian you are obviously in a feisty mood this morning and up for a fight. I love seeing the pictures of your dog on PB, being the owner of a mad mutt myself, but I think you have just opened up yourself from the cricket lovers with the argument of hypocrisy. Good luck.
    Dog is overstating it, I think someone missold him a deformed sheep.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,989
    Alistair said:

    Floridians voted in a binding referendum...

    De Santis has done everything in his power to overturn this result...

    And DeSantis boasts about this.

    De Santis is a fascist.

    Hmm.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,250
    Mark Carney this week said Brexit was a contributory factor to the UK’s current economic woes.
    He’s not alone. Polling (via John Curtice) shows % who think Brexit has had a negative impact on economy has risen markedly.
    It has jumped from an already bad -29 in Feb to -46 in Oct. https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1588845845793079301/photo/1
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 2,553
    edited November 5
    Alistair said:

    Welp, Late surge of Dem Nevada ballots has raised their status from "Compeltely doomed" to "probably doomed". The 'firewall' is still way to low to give Dems the win but it is very interesting that they managed to increase it by a significant percentage yesterday. They need to add another 20k votes to be at a level to have any confidence.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1588748515085164544

    The big uncertainty is how many younger people turn out to vote on Election Day .

    An interesting finding from a CBS generic ballot poll last week showed a huge difference in house seats if younger people actually turn out. The house was then 218 to 217 to the Dems.

    I’m very doubtful about younger turnout but would love to be proved wrong .
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    edited November 5
    Martin10 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    OT, the weather today is biblically awful. November is God’s punishment for something.

    Whereabouts? It's okay in Brentwood which is where I am atm.
    November is a month with no redeeming qualities..dark nights that get darker and miserable weather...the worst month of the year
    No sun — no moon!
    No morn — no noon —
    No dawn — no dusk — no proper time of day.

    No warmth, no cheerfulness, no healthful ease,
    No comfortable feel in any member —
    No shade, no shine, no butterflies, no bees,
    No fruits, no flowers, no leaves, no birds! —
    November!

    Thomas Hood

    ETA but I will take it over Jan/Feb/Mar/most of Apr
  • England shitting the bed here.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 3,421
    Ishmael_Z said:

    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins

    These are people who have been ordered by a court to be detained, or who are in the asylum process but deemed to be a flight risk.

    Do you believe that we should let them go on the grounds that they are prepared to used violence (and weapons) to achieve their objective? Do you believe that makes them more or less attractive to the UK as an immigrant?

  • kjhkjh Posts: 7,938
    Ishmael_Z said:

    kjh said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent start. All about staying focused, keeping cool and closing it out! 👍

    Why can you guys not keep your mouths shut?!!!
    You could all focus on watching the men tapping a ball away with a stick and then running up and down while someone else goes to fetch it, and leave the rest of us untroubled by all the gripping details...
    Ian you are obviously in a feisty mood this morning and up for a fight. I love seeing the pictures of your dog on PB, being the owner of a mad mutt myself, but I think you have just opened up yourself from the cricket lovers with the argument of hypocrisy. Good luck.
    Dog is overstating it, I think someone missold him a deformed sheep.
    I think it is rather charming.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,250
    Yesterday’s @thetimes /@YouGov polling found that many Leavers think Sunak is a Remainer, but most Remainers know he’s a Brexiteer.
    That’s a dangerous place to be ahead of any general election, when more people (green line) think in hindsight quitting the EU was a mistake. https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1588846276560715777/photo/1
  • TimSTimS Posts: 2,758
    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    OT, the weather today is biblically awful. November is God’s punishment for something.

    Whereabouts? It's okay in Brentwood which is where I am atm.
    Brockley, not that far away. The rainfall radar sums it up: a mess of light rain across the whole of England and Wales. Cold blobby drops from trees, oozy semi composted leaf piles with hidden dogshit surprises, so little light you can see the glow of people’s mobiles as they trudge along the street.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,571
    Ishmael_Z said:

    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins

    "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    What was mistaken for various weaponry? Umbrella’s could be, to be fair to the Home Office u turn on weaponry.

    How did the detainees deliberately cause the power out - or was it a power out that made them congregate outside where there was some light?
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Martin10 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Martin10 said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins

    "Camp of the Saints" back to the bestseller list?
    Think the media might be stirring things up to be honest
    Tis a Home Office press release. So stirring yes, press no.

    Here's some stirring

    https://mattgoodwin.substack.com/p/britain-has-lost-control-of-its-borders
    Its the tory strategy now...lets be beastly to migrants to shore up the core vote as they have failed everywhere else
    Read stuff instead of just bloviating about it. 60% and 75% anti immigrant answers. Tory VI is lucky to hit 30% at the moment. Do the math.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 2,758
    Ishmael_Z said:

    Martin10 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TimS said:

    OT, the weather today is biblically awful. November is God’s punishment for something.

    Whereabouts? It's okay in Brentwood which is where I am atm.
    November is a month with no redeeming qualities..dark nights that get darker and miserable weather...the worst month of the year
    No sun — no moon!
    No morn — no noon —
    No dawn — no dusk — no proper time of day.

    No warmth, no cheerfulness, no healthful ease,
    No comfortable feel in any member —
    No shade, no shine, no butterflies, no bees,
    No fruits, no flowers, no leaves, no birds! —
    November!

    Thomas Hood

    ETA but I will take it over Jan/Feb/Mar/most of Apr
    LONDON. Michaelmas Term lately over, and the Lord Chancellor sitting in Lincoln’s Inn Hall. Implacable November weather. As much mud in the streets as if the waters had but newly retired from the face of the earth, and it would not be wonderful to meet a Megalosaurus, forty feet long or so, waddling like an elephantine lizard up Holborn Hill. Smoke lowering down from chimney-pots, making a soft black drizzle, with flakes of soot in it as big as full-grown snow-flakes, gone into mourning, one might imagine, for the death of the sun. Dogs, undistinguishable in mire. Horses, scarcely better; splashed to their very blinkers. Foot passengers, jostling one another’s umbrellas in a general infection of ill-temper, and losing their foot-hold at street-corners, where tens of thousands of other foot passengers have been slipping and sliding since the day broke (if the day ever broke), adding new deposits to the crust upon crust of mud, sticking at those points tenaciously to the pavement, and accumulating at compound interest.

  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 2,022
    Lot to do from here! I think we're behind now 😡
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 3,421
    Let’s ignore the religious overtones here - that’s just US specific. Not crazy, just different.

    More interesting is the defensive doom-landed tone. You need a fighter/protector because you are under threat and only I can save you. Proto-fascist rather fascist in my view, but the strong man motif (and the positioning as the Chosen One) certainly has the potential to develop that way
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,292
    Martin10 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it.

    When I was but a callow youth, I asked my boss at the time why (in my experience) the girls that attended the expensive private school we did some work at were universally more attractive than the girls at the local comp.

    His reply was "money"

    So you have in fact answered your own question

    Generally affluent women are more attractive than less affluent ones.
    Genetically, or clothes and make up?
    Its because rich men attract more attractive women...darwinism in action
    Also being rich means you can access deluxe grooming products.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Ishmael_Z said:

    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins

    These are people who have been ordered by a court to be detained, or who are in the asylum process but deemed to be a flight risk.

    Do you believe that we should let them go on the grounds that they are prepared to used violence (and weapons) to achieve their objective? Do you believe that makes them more or less attractive to the UK as an immigrant?
    Why in the name of God would you deduce from my posting the story that I think any of that?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,660
    edited November 5
    nico679 said:

    Alistair said:

    Welp, Late surge of Dem Nevada ballots has raised their status from "Compeltely doomed" to "probably doomed". The 'firewall' is still way to low to give Dems the win but it is very interesting that they managed to increase it by a significant percentage yesterday. They need to add another 20k votes to be at a level to have any confidence.

    https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1588748515085164544

    The big uncertainty is how many younger people turn out to vote on Election Day .

    An interesting finding from a CBS generic ballot poll last week showed a huge difference in house seats if younger people actually turn out. The house was then 218 to 217 to the Dems.

    I’m very doubtful about younger turnout but would love to be proved wrong .
    Relying on the youth vote to turnout is an absolute fool's errand. If I had to gamble (which I don't) I'd assume no youth surge and GOP comfortable winners of the House.

    What has been interesting in Pennsylvania polls I've seen is that Fetterman is doing better with over 65s than Oz. It is the 45-65 age bracket that is going strong fro Oz.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 3,421

    Jonathan said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: @BloombergUK Saturday read

    Tory MPs — including some in the Cabinet — are worried the Sunak/Hunt tax rises and spending cuts will go too far, killing off growth and their electoral prospects

    One Cabinet minister says Sunak risks managing UK decline

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/tories-fear-sunak-is-just-managing-britain-s-decline-and-they-want-a-vision-for-growth

    Good old leaky Sue.
    I would argue that apart from brief moments of optimism under T Blair and Thatcher, successive UK PMs (incl those 2) have managed decline....... its a reality that British voters need to wake up to.
    We started at an incredible high point in 1913. Of course we are in relative decline
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    kinabalu said:

    Martin10 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it.

    When I was but a callow youth, I asked my boss at the time why (in my experience) the girls that attended the expensive private school we did some work at were universally more attractive than the girls at the local comp.

    His reply was "money"

    So you have in fact answered your own question

    Generally affluent women are more attractive than less affluent ones.
    Genetically, or clothes and make up?
    Its because rich men attract more attractive women...darwinism in action
    Also being rich means you can access deluxe grooming products.
    It's a terrible thing to say but I always thought Iconic Beauty Princess Di was pretty average looking before the world class make up and couture and haircuts.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,250
    Braverman is a perfect example of how to lose 2 voter groups at once.
    Red Wall sees her admission that illegal immigration is ‘out of control’.
    Blue Wall sees lack of compassion. https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1588847767660945410/photo/1
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 2,553
    Scott_xP said:

    Yesterday’s @thetimes /@YouGov polling found that many Leavers think Sunak is a Remainer, but most Remainers know he’s a Brexiteer.
    That’s a dangerous place to be ahead of any general election, when more people (green line) think in hindsight quitting the EU was a mistake. https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1588846276560715777/photo/1

    How can they think Sunak is a Remainer ? Further highlights that the Leave vote was made up by a lot of low information voters.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,644

    Let’s ignore the religious overtones here - that’s just US specific. Not crazy, just different.

    More interesting is the defensive doom-landed tone. You need a fighter/protector because you are under threat and only I can save you. Proto-fascist rather fascist in my view, but the strong man motif (and the positioning as the Chosen One) certainly has the potential to develop that way

    Which is not dissimilar to Braverman’s language of “invasion”.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,292

    Let’s ignore the religious overtones here - that’s just US specific. Not crazy, just different.

    More interesting is the defensive doom-landed tone. You need a fighter/protector because you are under threat and only I can save you. Proto-fascist rather fascist in my view, but the strong man motif (and the positioning as the Chosen One) certainly has the potential to develop that way

    "Fascist" has become an aspirational state in the GOP.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 28,250
    ‘Brexit was always going to be a slow puncture to the economy, rather than a blowout. But as any car driver knows, there suddenly comes a point when a tyre gets so flat the juddering noise is impossible to ignore – and the risk of damage to the rest of the car becomes acute.’

    Anyway, read the full piece here:
    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/brexiteer-sunak-should-watch-out-2024-could-be-the-remainers-revenge-election-1954359
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 3,421
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent start. All about staying focused, keeping cool and closing it out! 👍

    Why can you guys not keep your mouths shut?!!!
    You could all focus on watching the men tapping a ball away with a stick and then running up and down while someone else goes to fetch it, and leave the rest of us untroubled by all the gripping details...
    To be fair that’s pretty much what you do with your dog 😂
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 17,712
    Leon said:

    Observation. Iceland is full of young Chinese tourists. I’ve seen them across the country. They are obviously wealthy, with expensive winter clothes

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it. Maybe Xi has ordered all the plain ones to stay home, to promote China’s image abroad

    We were worried that you had visited Iceland for the natural splendour of glaciers and volcanoes.

    It is comforting to know that you are actually there for the Hot Teen Girls.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,358
    Leon said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    Bizarre

    Your reminder that Leon thinks this guy isn't a wannabe Fascist.
    This advert is cheesy, silly, cringeworthy and peculiarly American, but I can’t discern a hint of Fascism. Where is it? The mere fact he invokes God?

    I can also see this ad working with less educated, religious Americans. Hispanic Catholic blue collar etc.
    'Invokes God' ... as opposed to claiming to be uniquely created by god to go into politics on his behalf ?
    Not wildly different from Medvedev's remarks the other day.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,292
    Ishmael_Z said:

    kinabalu said:

    Martin10 said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it.

    When I was but a callow youth, I asked my boss at the time why (in my experience) the girls that attended the expensive private school we did some work at were universally more attractive than the girls at the local comp.

    His reply was "money"

    So you have in fact answered your own question

    Generally affluent women are more attractive than less affluent ones.
    Genetically, or clothes and make up?
    Its because rich men attract more attractive women...darwinism in action
    Also being rich means you can access deluxe grooming products.
    It's a terrible thing to say but I always thought Iconic Beauty Princess Di was pretty average looking before the world class make up and couture and haircuts.
    Indeed. Makeovers are well named. They really can. Time and money are equally required - but of course money creates time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 28,923

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent start. All about staying focused, keeping cool and closing it out! 👍

    Why can you guys not keep your mouths shut?!!!
    You could all focus on watching the men tapping a ball away with a stick and then running up and down while someone else goes to fetch it, and leave the rest of us untroubled by all the gripping details...
    To be fair that’s pretty much what you do with your dog 😂
    Very droll

    👏

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 2,644

    Ishmael_Z said:

    A group of people at a west London immigration removal centre caused "disturbance" on Saturday morning, the Home Office has claimed.

    No one was injured during the incident at Harmondsworth detention centre near Heathrow Airport, but the power was still out just before 9am on Saturday, the department said.

    The Home Office initially claimed that a "group of detainees left their rooms" and went into a courtyard area "armed with various weaponry", but later withdrew that claim.

    Sky News- breaking

    So it begins

    These are people who have been ordered by a court to be detained, or who are in the asylum process but deemed to be a flight risk.

    Do you believe that we should let them go on the grounds that they are prepared to used violence (and weapons) to achieve their objective? Do you believe that makes them more or less attractive to the UK as an immigrant?

    I think we should look at the failings of the Home Office to process people quickly and to deport those who should be deported quickly and to run these detention centres in a sensible way. The people at the top, Braverman, Patel, should take responsibility for their failings.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,358
    Leon said:

    Observation. Iceland is full of young Chinese tourists. I’ve seen them across the country. They are obviously wealthy, with expensive winter clothes

    I’ve been told they are generally “affluent Chinese students studying in the UK”

    The young women are the most beautiful I have ever seen, as a group. More than 50% are stunning. There must be some genetic/evolutionary explanation but I’m still working on it...

    You've got older, so pretty young girls look prettier to you.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 2,758
    I wonder if there is a difference in fash danger level between countries where support for strongman authoritarianism is mainly among the old, and those where it’s the young.

    The former generally seems to reflect nostalgic rural oldies who are reasonably financially comfortable but uneasy with the direction of society. Apparent in Russia with support for Putin, MAGA in the US, the Ayatollahs in Iran.

    The latter seems the case in France with RN,
    India with Modi and in some of the Scandinavian and E European countries.

    Gerontocratic authoritarianism self-cancelling, young authoritarianism naturally growing?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 17,467
    Scott_xP said:

    Braverman is a perfect example of how to lose 2 voter groups at once.
    Red Wall sees her admission that illegal immigration is ‘out of control’.
    Blue Wall sees lack of compassion. https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1588847767660945410/photo/1

    She's even managed to lose the Jewish vote gifted to the Tories by Corbyn. Offending Holocaust survivors was never going to go down well....

    https://www.channel4.com/news/holocaust-survivors-pen-letter-to-suella-braverman-over-migrant-remarks
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 42,824

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Excellent start. All about staying focused, keeping cool and closing it out! 👍

    Why can you guys not keep your mouths shut?!!!
    You could all focus on watching the men tapping a ball away with a stick and then running up and down while someone else goes to fetch it, and leave the rest of us untroubled by all the gripping details...
    To be fair that’s pretty much what you do with your dog 😂
    Not today, sadly (although constant rain would have kept the ball away anyhow); he's unhappy in kennels while I am I unhappy in Southampton being minutes away from having a camera pushed down my throat...
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