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  • New 50p


    Obviously we need it, and I don't know how long this sort of thing should take, but it feels awfully quick to have the new coin head ready. The funeral was only last Monday.

    Though last Monday was about a year ago.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662

    Leon said:

    Leon:

    Right on Covid
    Right on Lab Leak
    Right on THE TRUSS NECKLACE
    Right on THE TRUSS DRESS
    Right on GPT3 heralding AGI
    Right on What3Words taking over mapping
    Right on Putin doing crazy crazy cray cray shit
    Right on Woke (but unproven)
    Right on Aliens being Definitely Something Weird

    Also: unfortunately vaporised

    You forgot: Right Wing (very).
    Being monomaniac and monotonous on subjects does not mean being right.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    Tory MP rebels mobilising to vote against the scrapping of the 45p top rate of income tax

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1575603497529397249?s=20&t=ZwiDaHHGex4uBJiTTBDaSQ
  • Keir Starmer.

    The Tony Blair of 2022.
  • Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    I am, indeed, persuaded by the theory that Putin goes “all-in”, and Ukraine is effectively forced to cede the annexed oblasts, while NATO establishes a heavily militarised border across rump Ukraine.

    A kind of Korean “solution”.

    Russia will be an international pariah, though, so while on paper Putin will enjoy a tactical “win”, it will simply deliver long term impoverishment and loss of great power status.

    You think that, if Putin gets his oblasts, and keeps his land-bridge to Crimea, he would tolerate US/NATO bases in rump-of-ukraine?
    Well, a direct attack on US/NATO would be insane, and strategically non-useful.

    He can eminently sell annexation of south eastern Ukraine as a win.

    I just don't see that happening. Ukraine will continue to fight and take back territory.

    These are not division sized Ukranian armoured forces, they are dispersed mobile tactical teams. Nukes are far too blunt against them.

    If Russias missiles and fuses still work.
    Hope so.

    But while people talk about Ukraine being existentially committed versus Russia, there is also an imbalance (it seems to me) between the West’s willingness to resort to WMD against Russia, and Russia’s willingness to do so inside Ukraine.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    Leon said:

    I am, indeed, persuaded by the theory that Putin goes “all-in”, and Ukraine is effectively forced to cede the annexed oblasts, while NATO establishes a heavily militarised border across rump Ukraine.

    A kind of Korean “solution”.

    Russia will be an international pariah, though, so while on paper Putin will enjoy a tactical “win”, it will simply deliver long term impoverishment and loss of great power status.

    How do you get from Putin going "all in" to that outcome? If there is a strong conventional response from NATO along the lines of sinking the Black Sea Fleet, what steps come next that end with Ukraine ceding the annexed oblasts?
    We will blink. And we will. We do not want to die for Kyiv. Do you? Do you want to see humanity essentially ended because a mad dog Russian fuck wants to rule Kharkiv and we don't approve?

    We will take out the fleet (or whatever) as a warning, but then we will cease to arm Ukraine and we will demand that Zelensky seeks peace, by ceding the oblasts

    This is horrible, but it is probably the BEST outcome conceivable for humanity if Putin Goes Rogue. He is Hitler with nukes. This was always the nightmare
    On the contrary, the arms would pour into Ukraine, and no one will demand that Zelensky codes the oblasts.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    I am, indeed, persuaded by the theory that Putin goes “all-in”, and Ukraine is effectively forced to cede the annexed oblasts, while NATO establishes a heavily militarised border across rump Ukraine.

    A kind of Korean “solution”.

    Russia will be an international pariah, though, so while on paper Putin will enjoy a tactical “win”, it will simply deliver long term impoverishment and loss of great power status.

    You think that, if Putin gets his oblasts, and keeps his land-bridge to Crimea, he would tolerate US/NATO bases in rump-of-ukraine?
    Well, a direct attack on US/NATO would be insane, and strategically non-useful.

    He can eminently sell annexation of south eastern Ukraine as a win.

    If it does work, would he be tempted to do it in belarus too?
    Belarus is a Russian ally
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587

    Keir Starmer.

    The Tony Blair of 2022.

    Fuck. Which country is he going to bomb on a false prospectus in 2026?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    German journalist


    "Had a lot of discussions in Warsaw today.
    Everyone emphasizes that the next days will be decisive for Ukraine, Russia and the world.
    Many see the possibility of Russia escalating by using nuclear weapons and once again pulling Belarus into the war.
    All agree, Putin lost his mind."

    https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1575615861515120640?s=20&t=m47Xj1wu5sKxzXeHF8XBog
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286

    Keir Starmer.

    The Tony Blair of 2022.

    In his dreams! Were you even born in 1995 when Blair was in the ascendancy?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Ukrainian MP

    "Yes, nuclear attack from #russia is likely. Yes, we are googling what to do in case of such an attack. No, #Ukraine will not continue fighting to exist. No, this is no reason to sit down and negotiate with the aggressor."

    https://twitter.com/lesiavasylenko/status/1575599577431887872?s=20&t=m47Xj1wu5sKxzXeHF8XBog
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    I am, indeed, persuaded by the theory that Putin goes “all-in”, and Ukraine is effectively forced to cede the annexed oblasts, while NATO establishes a heavily militarised border across rump Ukraine.

    A kind of Korean “solution”.

    Russia will be an international pariah, though, so while on paper Putin will enjoy a tactical “win”, it will simply deliver long term impoverishment and loss of great power status.

    How do you get from Putin going "all in" to that outcome? If there is a strong conventional response from NATO along the lines of sinking the Black Sea Fleet, what steps come next that end with Ukraine ceding the annexed oblasts?
    We will blink. And we will. We do not want to die for Kyiv. Do you? Do you want to see humanity essentially ended because a mad dog Russian fuck wants to rule Kharkiv and we don't approve?

    We will take out the fleet (or whatever) as a warning, but then we will cease to arm Ukraine and we will demand that Zelensky seeks peace, by ceding the oblasts

    This is horrible, but it is probably the BEST outcome conceivable for humanity if Putin Goes Rogue. He is Hitler with nukes. This was always the nightmare
    On the contrary, the arms would pour into Ukraine, and no one will demand that Zelensky codes the oblasts.
    What, with Putin letting off nuclear bombs?

    You're a fool
  • Can Russia be expelled from the UN?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,090

    @TSE @MikeSmithson why is @MISTY banned?

    Wasn’t it casting aspersions on a pollster?
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited September 2022
    How much influence does China have on Putin?

    That is the key question when considering Putins nuclear strategy.

    I think it’s pretty likely China have let Putin know their red lines. If they have, nuclear weapons will be one of them.

    I still think it’s fairly unlikely either Putin or NATO will use nuclear weapons in the short/medium term.

    Perhaps 10%

    Alarmingly high, but keep it in perspective.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    "Politico: US asks China, India to convince Putin not to use nuclear weapons.

    The. U.S. officials are urging countries of the Pacific region to put pressure on Putin and communicate to him that the use of nuclear weapons will have a harsh response, Politico reports."

    https://twitter.com/recon_officer/status/1575488810879623168?s=20&t=b8ZLMJYOL_6q5GOTG0qrYw
  • Doesn’t seem like it; needs Security Council to approve.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286

    @TSE @MikeSmithson why is @MISTY banned?

    OGH can ban anyone he likes and doesn't need to explain himself to anyone.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    When did she become ‘Miss’ Truss?
  • IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    When did she become ‘Miss’ Truss?
    Perhaps even her long-suffering husband has finally thrown in the towel.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    ping said:

    How much influence does China have on Putin?

    That is the key question when considering Putins nuclear strategy.

    I think it’s pretty likely China have let Putin know their red lines. If they have, nuclear weapons will be one of them.

    I still think it’s fairly unlikely either Putin or NATO will use nuclear weapons in the short/medium term.

    Perhaps 10%

    Alarmingly high, but keep it in perspective.

    Trouble is, I think there's a general suspicion that Putin has become insane (for whatever reason... possibly illness?) and is getting more irrational as time goes along.

    So the normal calculations probably don't work... A mad man has hundreds of nuclear weapons... it is THE nightmare scenario as @Leon said.
  • So is Labour landslide on the cards yet.

    When did we last have landslide to landslide?

    Hope this puts to bed the idea this is 2015 repeat.

    In 2020, we were saying Labour was finished with a smaller Tory lead than this. So I conclude, the Tories are over and should now split
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    Leon said:

    Leon:

    Right on Covid
    Right on Lab Leak
    Right on THE TRUSS NECKLACE
    Right on THE TRUSS DRESS
    Right on GPT3 heralding AGI
    Right on What3Words taking over mapping
    Right on Putin doing crazy crazy cray cray shit
    Right on Woke (but unproven)
    Right on Aliens being Definitely Something Weird

    Also: unfortunately vaporised

    You forgot: Right Wing (very).
    And a right silly twat, who is almost always wrong.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Keir Starmer.

    The Tony Blair of 2022.

    In his dreams! Were you even born in 1995 when Blair was in the ascendancy?
    Yes
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339
    ping said:

    How much influence does China have on Putin?

    That is the key question when considering Putins nuclear strategy.

    I think it’s pretty likely China have let Putin know their red lines. If they have, nuclear weapons will be one of them.

    I still think it’s fairly unlikely either Putin or NATO will use nuclear weapons in the short/medium term.

    Perhaps 10%

    Alarmingly high, but keep it in perspective.

    You need to place yourself in Putin's shoes

    He has made a tremendous mistake: invading Ukraine. He thought it would be a 3 day sweep to victory, now he is in Vietnam times 100. Also, he might actually lose, and therefore be deposed, and be sodomised with a bayonet like Gaddafi

    He has tried to mobilise the country with 1m troops but half the best men have fled and he is now feeding meat into a grinder. Ukraine is better armed and more motivated. With NATO behind it, His economy is in meltdown and someone (AMERICA) has just blown up his big pricey hope of cash: Nordstream2

    He is facing calamity and death unless he changes the game. So. What do you do, if you are him?

    Seriously. What do you do that isn't intense escalation? Retreat really is not an option
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    When did she become ‘Miss’ Truss?
    Her husband is Hugh O' Leary so she must go by her maiden name.
  • One interesting thing to note is that nobody seems to have recognised his annexations.

    Some have said they outright won’t (Kazakhstan), others are “staying silent” (Cuba, Venezuela etc).

    That’s encouraging.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,668
    edited September 2022
    GIN1138 said:

    ping said:

    How much influence does China have on Putin?

    That is the key question when considering Putins nuclear strategy.

    I think it’s pretty likely China have let Putin know their red lines. If they have, nuclear weapons will be one of them.

    I still think it’s fairly unlikely either Putin or NATO will use nuclear weapons in the short/medium term.

    Perhaps 10%

    Alarmingly high, but keep it in perspective.

    Trouble is, I think there's a general suspicion that Putin has become insane (for whatever reason... possibly illness?) and is getting more irrational as time goes along.

    So the normal calculations probably don't work... A mad man has hundreds of nuclear weapons... it is THE nightmare scenario as @Leon said.
    Full Tonto. How right Wallace was.

    Though surely he gets bumped off before the end of the world?

    You'd have to be even more insane than Putin to obey a launch order. He's just an old, ill looking mental case. What's in it for you?
  • The biggest poll lead for Blair before the 1997 election was 31%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1997_United_Kingdom_general_election

    image

    43.5% wasn't it? Gallup/Telegraph 9 Jan 95
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    edited September 2022

    So is Labour landslide on the cards yet.

    When did we last have landslide to landslide?

    I answered that the other day. 1900 Con Landslide > 1906 Liberal Landslide

    There is the example of 1935 (National Landslide) to 1945 (Lab Landslide) but the 1900 to 1906 example would be closer to current developments.
  • I wonder how difficult to be for the West to have Putin thrown out of a tall building.
  • GIN1138 said:

    So is Labour landslide on the cards yet.

    When did we last have landslide to landslide?

    I answered that the other day. 1900 Con Landslide > 1906 Liberal Landslide

    There is the example of 1935 (National Landslide) to 1945 (Lab Landslide) but that the 1900 to 1906 example would be closer to current developments.
    Starmer therefore, the most successful Labour leader of all time
  • GIN1138 said:

    @TSE @MikeSmithson why is @MISTY banned?

    OGH can ban anyone he likes and doesn't need to explain himself to anyone.
    Alright matey was just interested, calm down son
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    edited September 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    OFF TOPIC

    Help from the PB Brains Trust please.

    I have my card records of my 3 Covid vaccination records in my married name but my passport is in my maiden name as I use this for pretty much all purposes.

    I'm travelling to the US next month and the US requires proof of vaccination but in the name used in my travel documents. I assume a marriage certificate won't help.

    Do I just ask my GP to change the name and, if so, how then do I get a vaccination record in that name in time for my travel. I have only just realised the issue and am leaving on 25th October.

    Thanks in advance.

    Have you asked the US embassy whether a marriage certificate would solve the problem?
    I have emailed the CDC in the US.

    But the conference organisers in the US have now told me that the US isn't checking Covid status anymore.

    I will ask my GP to change the name so that I can at least access my Covid status in the App. The card records aren't even accurate - one has my d.o.b and NHS number but only my first name and middle name. The other has my name and surname but no d.o.b or NHS number. And the booster has neither just the name of the vaccine.

    Still if we're all nuked by Vlad and rendered penniless by Liz I won't be travelling anywhere....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286

    I wonder how difficult to be for the West to have Putin thrown out of a tall building.

    I'm holding out hope the generals will drop something "hot" into his tea ;)
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286

    GIN1138 said:

    So is Labour landslide on the cards yet.

    When did we last have landslide to landslide?

    I answered that the other day. 1900 Con Landslide > 1906 Liberal Landslide

    There is the example of 1935 (National Landslide) to 1945 (Lab Landslide) but that the 1900 to 1906 example would be closer to current developments.
    Starmer therefore, the most successful Labour leader of all time
    He's got to actually achieve the landslide yet... ;)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Facit & Shawforth (Rossendale)

    CON: 43.5% (+12.2)
    IND: 27.6% (-15.3)
    LAB: 26.2% (+0.5)
    GRN: 2.6% (New)

    Conservative HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2021.

    Its the greatest hold in history!
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,332
    edited September 2022
    I reckoned the other night that if things didnt settle down by Christmas that the Conservatives wouldnt get near Labour again in this election cycle.

    Update: Don't need to wait until Christmas, they won't.

    All one can hope is that Conservative MPS dump on the mini budget at Westminster and seek to wipe it, or some of its provisions at least, out. Its the tax cuts that are the problem, the scale is insane.

    Ukraine. Further to my post at start of the week regarding the battle around Lyman and an attempted encircling move by the Ukrainians, stories have it the encirclement is complete. The Russians dont seem able to break out and no sign of a relief attempt to create a corridor for a mass escape. No one quite knows how many Russians are in there but some have it in excess of 2000.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Helmshore (Rossendale) By-Election Result:

    CON: 50.6% (+4.0)
    LAB: 37.1% (+0.5)
    GRN: 5.1% (-6.4)
    LDM: 4.3% (New)
    INDs: 2.9% (-2.4)

    Conservative HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2022.

    Fuck me Rossendale love the mini budget!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    OFF TOPIC

    Help from the PB Brains Trust please.

    I have my card records of my 3 Covid vaccination records in my married name but my passport is in my maiden name as I use this for pretty much all purposes.

    I'm travelling to the US next month and the US requires proof of vaccination but in the name used in my travel documents. I assume a marriage certificate won't help.

    Do I just ask my GP to change the name and, if so, how then do I get a vaccination record in that name in time for my travel. I have only just realised the issue and am leaving on 25th October.

    Thanks in advance.

    Have you asked the US embassy whether a marriage certificate would solve the problem?
    I have emailed the CDC in the US.

    But the conference organisers in the US have now told me that the US isn't checking Covid status anymore.

    I will ask my GP to change the name so that I can at least access my Covid status in the App. The card records aren't even accurate - one has my d.o.b and NHS number but only my first name and middle name. The other has my name and surname but no d.o.b or NHS number. And the booster has neither just the name of the vaccine.

    Think they stopped checking whether someone has Covid before they travel in June, but I think you still have to prove your vaccination status unless something changed recently?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    I wonder how difficult to be for the West to have Putin thrown out of a tall building.

    One would hope the combined brains of the CIA. MI6, Mossad, the Bureau et al are working on this full tilt

    If anyone in history needs taking out, it is Putin right now. Literally. At GMT 23:51 on the 29th September 2022 he is the biggest threat to human civilisation that humanity has ever faced. He is Hitler with nukes
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    LDs hold both Grappenhall seats in Warrington, figs to follow
    Argyll countrs tomorrow so thats it.
    Just one seat changed hands and the Tory vote was more resilient than expected given polling
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Leon said:

    I wonder how difficult to be for the West to have Putin thrown out of a tall building.

    One would hope the combined brains of the CIA. MI6, Mossad, the Bureau et al are working on this full tilt

    If anyone in history needs taking out, it is Putin right now. Literally. At GMT 23:51 on the 29th September 2022 he is the biggest threat to human civilisation that humanity has ever faced. He is Hitler with nukes
    Hitler had absolute control of his government. Putin cannot make a speech when he wants to.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507
    edited September 2022

    New 50p

    How much is it worth in old money?
    It was worth £5 start of last Friday, and one and one half of potato under the new emergency system a week from today.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Grappenhall (Warrington) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 55.7% (+8.8)
    CON: 27.2% (-9.8)
    LAB: 10.0% (+0.8)
    GRN: 7.0% (+0.2)

    Votes cast: 1,925

    Liberal Democrat HOLD.
  • Lyman has become totemic this past week.

    Is it simply because the capture or killing of 2000 Russians is a big deal, or does it have larger strategic significance?

    2000 sounds neither here nor there for Russia.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,728

    Must be great being an SKS fan with Truss as PM. He could enter masterchef and win with his pot noodle

    Pot Noodle fans please explain.
    Spicy Curry.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,507

    carnforth said:

    Ynysybwl (Rhondda Cynon Taf) council by-election result:

    PC: 59.0% (+3.5)
    LAB: 33.4% (-1.2)
    CON: 4.6% (+4.6)
    GWLAD: 1.9% (-8.0)
    GRN: 1.1% (+1.1)

    Votes cast: 737

    Plaid Cymru HOLD.

    (GWLAD are centre right welsh nationalists, apparently. Anyone heard of them?)

    Yeah they stand in a fair few, theyve got one county councillor on Ceredigion council
    If they stood everywhere, would they be Gwlad all over?
  • Helmshore (Rossendale) By-Election Result:

    CON: 50.6% (+4.0)
    LAB: 37.1% (+0.5)
    GRN: 5.1% (-6.4)
    LDM: 4.3% (New)
    INDs: 2.9% (-2.4)

    Conservative HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2022.

    Fuck me Rossendale love the mini budget!

    Perhaps they can pay for it.
    Strip them of their treasure and have them pay reparations.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited September 2022

    Anyway looking on the bright side Liz Truss has assured us several times today that after her intervention NO household will pay more than £2500 a year on energy bills. Wow! That is good news, I live in a six bedroom house and was already paying more than that last year...

    Did she say who does pay for the freeze policy Pete?
    No but she was very pleased with herself, so excited in fact that she made the error to which I have hinted.

    Anyway young Rabbit, like my children your tax pounds will be paying for this measure and the 45% tax reduction that won't trouble me, for years to come. I thank you in advance because I will be long dead by the time my debt to you is settled.
    You ain’t so dumb after all.

    Just mischief.
    Dumber than a box of rocks Rabbit, but still smarter than Truss and Kwarteng together.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    carnforth said:

    Ynysybwl (Rhondda Cynon Taf) council by-election result:

    PC: 59.0% (+3.5)
    LAB: 33.4% (-1.2)
    CON: 4.6% (+4.6)
    GWLAD: 1.9% (-8.0)
    GRN: 1.1% (+1.1)

    Votes cast: 737

    Plaid Cymru HOLD.

    (GWLAD are centre right welsh nationalists, apparently. Anyone heard of them?)

    Yeah they stand in a fair few, theyve got one county councillor on Ceredigion council
    If they stood everywhere, would they be Gwlad all over?
    Rabbit wins the internet tonight
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,339

    Lyman has become totemic this past week.

    Is it simply because the capture or killing of 2000 Russians is a big deal, or does it have larger strategic significance?

    2000 sounds neither here nor there for Russia.

    It's significance is that it says Russia is still LOSING, and losing badly, not winning

    Some people don't seem to grasp this. The reason Putin might go postal is because he faces humiliation, not because he is thrilled by victory. He doesn't want to risk nuclear war, that is the act of a desperate man. But with every Ukrainian advance - even in the face of near-total Russian mobilisation - Putin grows more humiliated and more desperate

  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,149
    edited September 2022

    I wonder how difficult to be for the West to have Putin thrown out of a tall building.

    I hope that thought is given to what happens if he is.

    There's a massive element of being careful what you wish for with this. The next one isn't going to be a great guy, but the change could be in either direction. Might be Khrushchev... might be Beria.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    MJW said:

    Must be great being an SKS fan with Truss as PM. He could enter masterchef and win with his pot noodle

    Pot Noodle fans please explain.
    Spicy Curry.
    Beef and tomato
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,332

    Lyman has become totemic this past week.

    Is it simply because the capture or killing of 2000 Russians is a big deal, or does it have larger strategic significance?

    2000 sounds neither here nor there for Russia.

    1. Take it out and the Ukrainians can free up forces engaged in the wide encircling movement to further offensives
    2,. Its a major supply hub point so denying its use to Russia chokes Russian supply lines to other areas, meaning extended alternative routes and making it harder to maintain previous volumes of supply.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    Must be great being an SKS fan with Truss as PM. He could enter masterchef and win with his pot noodle

    Pot Noodle fans please explain.
    Can't afford real pot noodles go for speedy noodles.

    BJO tip of the thread
  • Yokes said:

    Lyman has become totemic this past week.

    Is it simply because the capture or killing of 2000 Russians is a big deal, or does it have larger strategic significance?

    2000 sounds neither here nor there for Russia.

    1. Take it out and the Ukrainians can free up forces engaged in the wide encircling movement to further offensives
    2,. Its a major supply hub point so denying its use to Russia chokes Russian supply lines to other areas, meaning extended alternative routes and making it harder to maintain previous volumes of supply.
    Ok thanks.
    Hopefully the pocket “closes” tonight/tomorrow.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662

    @TSE @MikeSmithson why is @MISTY banned?

    Haven't the foggiest
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,332
    edited September 2022
    Reportedly there are calls for Russians Muslims to join a day of protest against the conscription operation

    No idea if this is an official statement by some kind of authority but 6-7% of the population are Muslim and concentrated in a number of areas, so if this did ever take off, Putin is going to have a regional headache, in his own borders.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Yokes said:

    Reportedly there are calls for Russians Muslims to join a day of protest against the conscription operation

    No idea if this is an official statement by some kind of authority but 6-7% of the population are Muslim and concentrated in a number of areas, so if this did ever take off, Putin is going to have a regional headache, in his own borders.

    The regions of Russia have been just as oppressed by Moscow rule as Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics have, whether that is the Muslims, the Cossacks or the Far East.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160

    Facit & Shawforth (Rossendale)

    CON: 43.5% (+12.2)
    IND: 27.6% (-15.3)
    LAB: 26.2% (+0.5)
    GRN: 2.6% (New)

    Conservative HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2021.

    Its the greatest hold in history!

    Errr - on those numbers, it's a Con gain from Ind
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,332
    WillG said:

    Yokes said:

    Reportedly there are calls for Russians Muslims to join a day of protest against the conscription operation

    No idea if this is an official statement by some kind of authority but 6-7% of the population are Muslim and concentrated in a number of areas, so if this did ever take off, Putin is going to have a regional headache, in his own borders.

    The regions of Russia have been just as oppressed by Moscow rule as Ukraine, Belarus and the Baltics have, whether that is the Muslims, the Cossacks or the Far East.
    Doesnt mean they rise up en-masse on this issue. If they did, I'd suggest it would trigger a wider ripple of dissent amongst the population.
  • Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    OFF TOPIC

    Help from the PB Brains Trust please.

    I have my card records of my 3 Covid vaccination records in my married name but my passport is in my maiden name as I use this for pretty much all purposes.

    I'm travelling to the US next month and the US requires proof of vaccination but in the name used in my travel documents. I assume a marriage certificate won't help.

    Do I just ask my GP to change the name and, if so, how then do I get a vaccination record in that name in time for my travel. I have only just realised the issue and am leaving on 25th October.

    Thanks in advance.

    Have you asked the US embassy whether a marriage certificate would solve the problem?
    I have emailed the CDC in the US.

    But the conference organisers in the US have now told me that the US isn't checking Covid status anymore.

    I will ask my GP to change the name so that I can at least access my Covid status in the App. The card records aren't even accurate - one has my d.o.b and NHS number but only my first name and middle name. The other has my name and surname but no d.o.b or NHS number. And the booster has neither just the name of the vaccine.

    Still if we're all nuked by Vlad and rendered penniless by Liz I won't be travelling anywhere....
    Cyclefree, was some good stuff on this (and previous?) thread re: to your post & situation, including IIRC info from US State Dep or maybe Embassy. There was also link to step-by-step process for getting right with the app, first step being to contact your GP.

    Plus IanB said when he entered US recently, immigration didn't care and airline check was cursory.

    Bon voyage, and enjoy the Windy City! Two friends of mine were there last week, and had a blast, going to plays, galleries & suchlike, they stayed somewhere in the Loop.

  • Speaking of Chicago, apparently after recent, massive renovation, you can again visit the Blackstone Hotel on Michigan Ave, and ask to the the (in)famous "Smoke Filled Room" where the deal was done during the 1920 Republican National Convention that made Senator Warren G. Harding of Ohio the GOP nominee and next not-so-great President of the United States.

    Blackstone Hotel also featured in other US presidential conventions for both parties, for example 1932 for Democrats & FDR, 1944 for Dems & Harry Truman (for FDR's VP), and 1952 for Republicans & Ike.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited September 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    Facit & Shawforth (Rossendale)

    CON: 43.5% (+12.2)
    IND: 27.6% (-15.3)
    LAB: 26.2% (+0.5)
    GRN: 2.6% (New)

    Conservative HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2021.

    Its the greatest hold in history!

    Errr - on those numbers, it's a Con gain from Ind
    Those are the last time out figures, the vacancy was for a Tory elected on an earlier cycle
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160

    rcs1000 said:

    Facit & Shawforth (Rossendale)

    CON: 43.5% (+12.2)
    IND: 27.6% (-15.3)
    LAB: 26.2% (+0.5)
    GRN: 2.6% (New)

    Conservative HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2021.

    Its the greatest hold in history!

    Errr - on those numbers, it's a Con gain from Ind
    Those are the last time out figures, the vacancy was for a Tory elected on an earlier cycle
    Thank you very much :-)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    The biggest poll lead for Blair before the 1997 election was 31%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1997_United_Kingdom_general_election

    image

    43.5% wasn't it? Gallup/Telegraph 9 Jan 95
    Note also that, despite those mediocre to poor ratings, the LibDems pulled in 17% of the vote and a big haul of seats thru tactical voting.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    GIN1138 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    OFF TOPIC

    Help from the PB Brains Trust please.

    I have my card records of my 3 Covid vaccination records in my married name but my passport is in my maiden name as I use this for pretty much all purposes.

    I'm travelling to the US next month and the US requires proof of vaccination but in the name used in my travel documents. I assume a marriage certificate won't help.

    Do I just ask my GP to change the name and, if so, how then do I get a vaccination record in that name in time for my travel. I have only just realised the issue and am leaving on 25th October.

    Thanks in advance.

    Have you asked the US embassy whether a marriage certificate would solve the problem?
    I have emailed the CDC in the US.

    But the conference organisers in the US have now told me that the US isn't checking Covid status anymore.

    I will ask my GP to change the name so that I can at least access my Covid status in the App. The card records aren't even accurate - one has my d.o.b and NHS number but only my first name and middle name. The other has my name and surname but no d.o.b or NHS number. And the booster has neither just the name of the vaccine.

    Think they stopped checking whether someone has Covid before they travel in June, but I think you still have to prove your vaccination status unless something changed recently?
    As above, dont worry about the US, talk to the carrier.

    The worry about the US will be affording it when you get here, given that £1 buys you just $1 and a worthless coin.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557

    Helmshore (Rossendale) By-Election Result:

    CON: 50.6% (+4.0)
    LAB: 37.1% (+0.5)
    GRN: 5.1% (-6.4)
    LDM: 4.3% (New)
    INDs: 2.9% (-2.4)

    Conservative HOLD.
    Changes w/ 2022.

    Fuck me Rossendale love the mini budget!

    It's a local election for local people.
  • Looking at the pound this morning (t'other side of world), a little bit of relief but no way out of the woods. Truss (and KK who seems notably absent) really have a tricky run into the Conf. I still reckon she will endure but there is likely to be some blood on the carpet after Conference - KK has now backed himself into a corner and anything he says will now be given undue weight, in effect once the story moves onto him I think he is mince....
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    There is something of the cloying arrogance of Eton College running through the Tory problems of the last two years.

    Time for a major reboot
  • Roger said:

    There is something of the cloying arrogance of Eton College running through the Tory problems of the last two years.

    Time for a major reboot

    If you look at the background of previous PMs, the problem is obviously Oxford. From memory (might be wrong), there were six candidates for PM this time around from the Conservative ranks, only two of whom had been to Oxford. Both of those got through to the final two.

    Forget Eton; ban anyone's who has had a sniff of Oxford from being PM. ;)
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,039
    Yokes said:

    Lyman has become totemic this past week.

    Is it simply because the capture or killing of 2000 Russians is a big deal, or does it have larger strategic significance?

    2000 sounds neither here nor there for Russia.

    1. Take it out and the Ukrainians can free up forces engaged in the wide encircling movement to further offensives
    2,. Its a major supply hub point so denying its use to Russia chokes Russian supply lines to other areas, meaning extended alternative routes and making it harder to maintain previous volumes of supply.
    Also if the Russians in the pocket are killed or captured, it proves the Ukrainians can do encirclements on a large scale. I understand that during the Kharkiv counteroffensive, most of the orcs retreated in time. This would be different. The effect on Russian morale would be big.

    Here's hoping.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    It hasn't garnered much attention, but the latest Senate polls seem to be showing a little bit of movement towards the Republicans.

    Wisconsin seems to be moving to a clear (if small) Republican lead, while the gap in Pennsylvania has narrowed.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    Lyman is operationally encircled.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    . A huge story playing out, but not in the news yet.

    In the Muslim North Caucasus, the threat for Russia has taken on a more dramatic flavor, with talk of secession.

    https://twitter.com/hxhassan/status/1575515426053918723
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    NY public officials criticize DeSantis for voting against Hurricane Sandy relief
    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3667755-ny-public-officials-criticize-desantis-for-voting-against-hurricane-sandy-relief/

    I’d forgotten he was once a Congessman.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,073
    The standard of maternity care in Texas after the abortion ban

    In the words of CO ObGyn Dr. Cohen, "You're not dying enough" "When asked, 'What will be enough, to make her sick enough, to warrant a procedure?' We were told basically a liver failure. Basically, a stroke. Basically, a 911 call," the woman's mother said.
    https://twitter.com/LauraChapin/status/1575642629928148992
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    BBC News - Record number of nurses quitting the NHS
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63080462
  • Leon said:

    Leon:

    Right on Covid
    Right on Lab Leak
    Right on THE TRUSS NECKLACE
    Right on THE TRUSS DRESS
    Right on GPT3 heralding AGI
    Right on What3Words taking over mapping
    Right on Putin doing crazy crazy cray cray shit
    Right on Woke (but unproven)
    Right on Aliens being Definitely Something Weird

    Also: unfortunately vaporised

    Remind us of your opinion on Liz Truss when she became leader?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,078
    Leon said:

    I wonder how difficult to be for the West to have Putin thrown out of a tall building.

    One would hope the combined brains of the CIA. MI6, Mossad, the Bureau et al are working on this full tilt

    If anyone in history needs taking out, it is Putin right now. Literally. At GMT 23:51 on the 29th September 2022 he is the biggest threat to human civilisation that humanity has ever faced. He is Hitler with nukes
    Well yes, and? In this neck of the woods we have been saying so for several years. However he is falling over his own feet and is facing serious trouble from his own people. Remember he is only the chairman of the board, The patience of the FSB is not limitless. Russia as a pariah state really limits their fun.

    Also, go and change your armour.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Even if financial order is restored, Kwasi Kwarteng’s budget will hurt Britain’s economy https://econ.st/3ULJjcj
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    And the hits just keep on coming...

    Financial Secretary to the Treasury Andrew Griffith MP says that "reducing the right to strike so that we can keep the economy moving" is in the government's growth plan and adds that the Chancellor and Bank of England are "working tightly together"

    👉 https://trib.al/F9oKW6x https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1575731984588046336/video/1
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Scott_xP said:

    And the hits just keep on coming...

    Financial Secretary to the Treasury Andrew Griffith MP says that "reducing the right to strike so that we can keep the economy moving" is in the government's growth plan and adds that the Chancellor and Bank of England are "working tightly together"

    👉 https://trib.al/F9oKW6x https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1575731984588046336/video/1

    The death spiral continues....
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    edited September 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    And the hits just keep on coming...

    Financial Secretary to the Treasury Andrew Griffith MP says that "reducing the right to strike so that we can keep the economy moving" is in the government's growth plan and adds that the Chancellor and Bank of England are "working tightly together"

    👉 https://trib.al/F9oKW6x https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1575731984588046336/video/1

    Something the Truss government is right to focus.

    Bloody parasitical railway people striking are ruining the soccer for the masses.

    I'd allow employers to deduct one month's salary for every day an employee strikes.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    I wonder how difficult to be for the West to have Putin thrown out of a tall building.

    One would hope the combined brains of the CIA. MI6, Mossad, the Bureau et al are working on this full tilt

    If anyone in history needs taking out, it is Putin right now. Literally. At GMT 23:51 on the 29th September 2022 he is the biggest threat to human civilisation that humanity has ever faced. He is Hitler with nukes
    Well yes, and? In this neck of the woods we have been saying so for several years. However he is falling over his own feet and is facing serious trouble from his own people. Remember he is only the chairman of the board, The patience of the FSB is not limitless. Russia as a pariah state really limits their fun.

    Also, go and change your armour.
    I have said a few times that we have to be very careful, because there is a real risk that what comes next will make Putin's era look like a liberal renaissance.

    The outlook is not good. The middle class are fleeing Russia.

    Only time will tell.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,190
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon:

    Right on Covid
    Right on Lab Leak
    Right on THE TRUSS NECKLACE
    Right on THE TRUSS DRESS
    Right on GPT3 heralding AGI
    Right on What3Words taking over mapping
    Right on Putin doing crazy crazy cray cray shit
    Right on Woke (but unproven)
    Right on Aliens being Definitely Something Weird

    Also: unfortunately vaporised

    Right on Covid
    Right on Lab Leak

    Probably, but not definitely, true. Short of direct admission, we'll never know for sure.

    Right on THE TRUSS NECKLACE
    Right on THE TRUSS DRESS

    Congratulations, you watch QVC.

    Right on GPT3 heralding AGI

    In the same way that masturbating over a video of... well, let's not go there, shall we.

    Right on What3Words taking over mapping

    Errrr. No.

    Right on Putin doing crazy crazy cray cray shit

    I have made a complete list of people who believe that Putin only did very boring and ordinary things.

    Right on Woke (but unproven)

    Yep, defintely right wing on woke.

    Right on Aliens being Definitely Something Weird

    And I agree, Right On aliens are weird.
    Leon was also one of the very few posters here who was praising Putin (before the latest invasion of Ukraine)
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    Speaking of Chicago, apparently after recent, massive renovation, you can again visit the Blackstone Hotel on Michigan Ave, and ask to the the (in)famous "Smoke Filled Room" where the deal was done during the 1920 Republican National Convention that made Senator Warren G. Harding of Ohio the GOP nominee and next not-so-great President of the United States.

    Blackstone Hotel also featured in other US presidential conventions for both parties, for example 1932 for Democrats & FDR, 1944 for Dems & Harry Truman (for FDR's VP), and 1952 for Republicans & Ike.

    We were (one of) the last people to check out of the blackstone before it closed back in 2000.

    It had closed the day before (Wednesday) with everyone moved to other hotels but we arrived back so late (11pm) and were leaving the next day so just stayed because it wasn’t worth the hassle of moving..
  • rcs1000 said:


    And I agree, Right On aliens are weird.

    Are we on to this one yet?

    https://twitter.com/HitchinLibrary/status/1575481422651232256
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    Scott_xP said:

    And the hits just keep on coming...

    Financial Secretary to the Treasury Andrew Griffith MP says that "reducing the right to strike so that we can keep the economy moving" is in the government's growth plan and adds that the Chancellor and Bank of England are "working tightly together"

    👉 https://trib.al/F9oKW6x https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1575731984588046336/video/1

    Something the Truss government is right to focus.

    Bloody parasitical railway people striking are ruining the soccer for the masses.

    I'd allow employers to deduct one month's salary for every day an employee strikes.
    You do know that it’s the Department for Transport”s fault that everyone is striking…

    Avanti needs sign off from the DfT (which has been refused ) to confirm the agreement that has been made between Avanti and the unions…
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    edited September 2022
    The destruction of the Tory party cannot come soon enough for me if they don't move PDQ to get rid of Truss. They have destroyed a significant part of value in pensions. They are attacking welfare. Their policies will not bring growth. There will be austerity mark 2 and public services will suffer even more.

    Since 2016 the Tory party has attacked or undermined all sorts of independent institutions which uphold a democracy and help ensure good governance -

    - the courts and the rule of law
    - The electoral commission
    - Parliament - in its refusal to allow it to scrutinise laws and Ministers contempt for select committes
    - ethical advisors
    - the civil service
    - The OBR
    - The Bank of England

    Anything or anyone which stands in its way is attacked. It lies as freely as it breathes. Dishonesty is now baked into its DNA. Whatever this party is it is not conservative. It is a menace.

    Labour will win but it will inherit one hell of a mess.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,215
    She should hold her nerve and apologise for the errors made and row back on the 45p thing (which doesn't come in until next April anyway) and also the acceleration of the basic rate reduction. She should - but won't - seek a middle way on Sunak's planned increase in corporation tax. Show some financial sanity. This is her best hope - the chancellor's position is much more at risk I think.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Welcome move by No10 today. In the space of 1 week we’ve gone from the OBR being dismissed to the PM turning up to its meetings. Turns out the credibility of the institution we created 12 years ago to bring honesty to the public finances is more enduring than that of its critics

    https://twitter.com/George_Osborne/status/1575737214218092544
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    kamski said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon:

    Right on Covid
    Right on Lab Leak
    Right on THE TRUSS NECKLACE
    Right on THE TRUSS DRESS
    Right on GPT3 heralding AGI
    Right on What3Words taking over mapping
    Right on Putin doing crazy crazy cray cray shit
    Right on Woke (but unproven)
    Right on Aliens being Definitely Something Weird

    Also: unfortunately vaporised

    Right on Covid
    Right on Lab Leak

    Probably, but not definitely, true. Short of direct admission, we'll never know for sure.

    Right on THE TRUSS NECKLACE
    Right on THE TRUSS DRESS

    Congratulations, you watch QVC.

    Right on GPT3 heralding AGI

    In the same way that masturbating over a video of... well, let's not go there, shall we.

    Right on What3Words taking over mapping

    Errrr. No.

    Right on Putin doing crazy crazy cray cray shit

    I have made a complete list of people who believe that Putin only did very boring and ordinary things.

    Right on Woke (but unproven)

    Yep, defintely right wing on woke.

    Right on Aliens being Definitely Something Weird

    And I agree, Right On aliens are weird.
    Leon was also one of the very few posters here who was praising Putin (before the latest invasion of Ukraine)
    And now seems to be parroting kremlin lines:

    1) it was the Americans who blew up the gas pipelines

    2) Nato should force Ukraine to accept the annexations because of the nuclear threats.
  • kamski said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon:

    Right on Covid
    Right on Lab Leak
    Right on THE TRUSS NECKLACE
    Right on THE TRUSS DRESS
    Right on GPT3 heralding AGI
    Right on What3Words taking over mapping
    Right on Putin doing crazy crazy cray cray shit
    Right on Woke (but unproven)
    Right on Aliens being Definitely Something Weird

    Also: unfortunately vaporised

    Right on Covid
    Right on Lab Leak

    Probably, but not definitely, true. Short of direct admission, we'll never know for sure.

    Right on THE TRUSS NECKLACE
    Right on THE TRUSS DRESS

    Congratulations, you watch QVC.

    Right on GPT3 heralding AGI

    In the same way that masturbating over a video of... well, let's not go there, shall we.

    Right on What3Words taking over mapping

    Errrr. No.

    Right on Putin doing crazy crazy cray cray shit

    I have made a complete list of people who believe that Putin only did very boring and ordinary things.

    Right on Woke (but unproven)

    Yep, defintely right wing on woke.

    Right on Aliens being Definitely Something Weird

    And I agree, Right On aliens are weird.
    Leon was also one of the very few posters here who was praising Putin (before the latest invasion of Ukraine)
    Leon posts two or three totally contradictory views on here over time, then screams "I was right!" if one of them comes true.

    But he's wrong on most of the above. For one thing, in what weird mind-warping world is What3Words a 'mapping' service? It's a geolocation service that uses the maps of other services.
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