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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    Please see post to OKC, which applies equally to you and yours.
    Indeed, and to any and all who've suffered the pain of loss or are remembering it today
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    So very sorry to hear that. Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
    Its a one in a million chance. There is only one team in the UK that deals with cjd and its in Edinburgh. V grateful to them.
    My condolences, @squareroot2 .
  • SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    Please see post to OKC, which applies equally to you and yours.
    Thank you and I understand the pain of all those who go through this type of illness.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    Did the ABoC just come out as a Socialist? - 'Those who cling to power and privileges are long forgotten.'
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    DavidL said:

    That montage at the end of the BBC coverage was just perfect.

    Kirsty Wark just got through it - crackling with emotion.
    Kirsty Young, I think. But yes, she was really struggling. As was I by that point.
  • SeanT said:

    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump

    On this Day of Days, Sean, I will reciprocate - but don't let's get too sticky about it. ;)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930
    RobD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    So very sorry to hear that. Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
    Its a one in a million chance. There is only one team in the UK that deals with cjd and its in Edinburgh. V grateful to them.
    My condolences, @squareroot2 .
    And to you, too, @OldKingCole.

    What a depressing moment. I think I need to do something else now.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,839

    Many sympathies to OKC and Squareroot - both deaths sound utterly appalling, and must have made today all the harder. All good wishes.

    Well said, Nick.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    Many sympathies, OKC. Have a similar t-shirt so know the feeling, and understand.
    It was a day full of reminders from one's own past. A very moving day.
  • SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    I am so sorry - heartfelt condolences to you and your family
  • DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    That montage at the end of the BBC coverage was just perfect.

    Kirsty Wark just got through it - crackling with emotion.
    Kirsty Young, I think. But yes, she was really struggling. As was I by that point.
    Thanks. I'll get it right, eventually.

    Her eulogy nearly set me off again too.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
    Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
    Well yes. Its the middle child of the three big Abrahamic religions.
  • SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    So sorry to hear this @squareroot2 - thats horrible.

    My deepest condolences to you and your family. May God be with you x
  • ...

    Cicero said:

    Just logged on for the committal... Dear God they dug up a Dimbleby for the full on arslikhan... Sovereign, Subjects... the last time... Oh put a sock in it.

    If you could turn to ITV in the Baltic States you could get the younger brother too.
    By the time of William’s funeral we will be debating who is to be appointed the Dimbleby to mark the sad event

  • SeanT said:

    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump

    Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    ...

    Cicero said:

    Just logged on for the committal... Dear God they dug up a Dimbleby for the full on arslikhan... Sovereign, Subjects... the last time... Oh put a sock in it.

    If you could turn to ITV in the Baltic States you could get the younger brother too.
    By the time of William’s funeral we will be debating who is to be appointed the Dimbleby to mark the sad event

    I hope to live to see his Coronation. Definitely not his funeral.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    ...

    Cicero said:

    Just logged on for the committal... Dear God they dug up a Dimbleby for the full on arslikhan... Sovereign, Subjects... the last time... Oh put a sock in it.

    If you could turn to ITV in the Baltic States you could get the younger brother too.
    By the time of William’s funeral we will be debating who is to be appointed the Dimbleby to mark the sad event

    Forgive me, but I very much hope I will be long gone before that day arrives, so won't need to worry about it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    So sorry to hear this @squareroot2 - thats horrible.

    My deepest condolences to you and your family. May God be with you x
    Yes, I echo,that.

    So sorry to hear this @squareroot2

    God bless you and your family
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,158
    edited September 2022

    SeanT said:

    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump

    Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
    and not at the same time.

    That's the regularly successful paradox, especially if the monarch is kept further away from politics.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    One thing I don't understand is why anybody wants a photo of the hearse on their own phone. You know you were there. I'm sure nobody will accuse of lying about it. And far better photos are freely available. Treasure the moment.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
    Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
    They are both proseltysing religions - which is the main problem with them.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,405

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    That montage at the end of the BBC coverage was just perfect.

    Kirsty Wark just got through it - crackling with emotion.
    Kirsty Young, I think. But yes, she was really struggling. As was I by that point.
    Thanks. I'll get it right, eventually.

    Her eulogy nearly set me off again too.
    Superb professional. She struggled to hold it together but did so admirably.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    SeanT said:

    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump

    Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
    Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Omnium said:

    Did the ABoC just come out as a Socialist? - 'Those who cling to power and privileges are long forgotten.'

    So the Church of England is no longer the Conservative Party at prayer?
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    No-one does pomp and pageantry like the British. A very good send off for the Queen. (And I am a slight lean republican too).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,173

    Omnium said:

    Did the ABoC just come out as a Socialist? - 'Those who cling to power and privileges are long forgotten.'

    So the Church of England is no longer the Conservative Party at prayer?
    Socialists cling to power and privilege just as much as anyone else, perhaps?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,158
    edited September 2022

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    So sorry to hear, squareroot ; my genuine condolences.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
    Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
    Well yes. Its the middle child of the three big Abrahamic religions.
    There are so few Jews, can Judaism really be described as "big".
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765

    Omnium said:

    Did the ABoC just come out as a Socialist? - 'Those who cling to power and privileges are long forgotten.'

    So the Church of England is no longer the Conservative Party at prayer?
    It's been quite a shock that they haven't proclained crusades. Nonetheless, Socialism?
  • SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    So sorry to hear and that you had to go through that, no parent should bury their child.

    Condolences to @squareroot2 as well and everyone else.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    MattW said:

    Omnium said:

    Did the ABoC just come out as a Socialist? - 'Those who cling to power and privileges are long forgotten.'

    So the Church of England is no longer the Conservative Party at prayer?
    Socialists cling to power and privilege just as much as anyone else, perhaps?
    The Soviet Union and Communist China would confirm that statement.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,568
    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited September 2022

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30.
    Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i guess flags at royal residences stay half mast
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    edited September 2022
    Taz said:

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    So sorry to hear this @squareroot2 - thats horrible.

    My deepest condolences to you and your family. May God be with you x
    Yes, I echo,that.

    So sorry to hear this @squareroot2

    God bless you and your family
    Thank you one and all. But Science is wonderful. My late wife died as a result of Lupus, but there is FANTASTIC news on this front and those who suffer from rheumatoid arthritis and similar illnesses

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/sep/15/scientists-hail-autoimmune-disease-therapy-breakthrough-car-t-cell-lupus
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    I really think that now is the time for Nicholas Witchell to retire.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,662
    edited September 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
    Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
    Well yes. Its the middle child of the three big Abrahamic religions.
    There are so few Jews, can Judaism really be described as "big".
    Perhaps not in absolute numbers, but in terms of cultural influence, certainly. Not least because of Judaism's influence on Christianity and Islam.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    ....BBG reports Germany will announce LNG gas deals with UAE later this week....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    Can we add Edwards and the Dimbleby boys to the vaults too?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    So long as he takes Huw Edwards with him.

    However they're likely to be succeeded with the like of Amul Rajan. The good news is that it can't really get worse.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,431

    Taz said:

    SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
    So sorry to hear this @squareroot2 - thats horrible.

    My deepest condolences to you and your family. May God be with you x
    Yes, I echo,that.

    So sorry to hear this @squareroot2

    God bless you and your family
    Thank you one and all. But Science is wonderful. My late wife died as a result of Lupus, but there is FANTASTIC news on this front and those who suffer from rheumatoid arthritis and similar illnesses

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/sep/15/scientists-hail-autoimmune-disease-therapy-breakthrough-car-t-cell-lupus
    Possibilities of a breakthrough on the MND front, too.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914

    SeanT said:

    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump

    Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
    Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
    They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?

    After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
  • I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    I really think that now is the time for Nicholas Witchell to retire.
    He is not liked by Charles ....
  • Lovely run, perfect running temperature.

    I don't like running in the dark but this time of the year and March to May is when I hit my PBs
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30.
    Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
    The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,840
    Omnium said:

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    So long as he takes Huw Edwards with him.

    However they're likely to be succeeded with the like of Amul Rajan. The good news is that it can't really get worse.
    That does rather assume that the BBC continues at all.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30.
    Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
    The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
    I honestly dont know
  • Omnium said:

    Did the ABoC just come out as a Socialist? - 'Those who cling to power and privileges are long forgotten.'

    So the Church of England is no longer the Conservative Party at prayer?
    Have you seen the words of the Magnificat?
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    I really think that now is the time for Nicholas Witchell to retire.
    Agreed but will they all want to hang on til the coronation? Tbh I can't see he can add any value at all to that.
  • SeanT said:

    Ah, god

    It is just one family but the emotions are universal. Which is the point I think


    And George desperately biting his lip
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Omnium said:

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    So long as he takes Huw Edwards with him.

    However they're likely to be succeeded with the like of Amul Rajan. The good news is that it can't really get worse.
    I am shocked that Paddy O'Connell didn't feature today.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    edited September 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    So long as he takes Huw Edwards with him.

    However they're likely to be succeeded with the like of Amul Rajan. The good news is that it can't really get worse.
    That does rather assume that the BBC continues at all.
    I'd quite like them to do so. Mainly for the radio - although it's poor, it's not irredeemably so.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    MISTY said:

    ....BBG reports Germany will announce LNG gas deals with UAE later this week....

    Fujairah has very looking for an anchor customer for some time.

    The long term prospects for Russian gas exports to Europe are looking fainter by the minute.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    rcs1000 said:

    MISTY said:

    ....BBG reports Germany will announce LNG gas deals with UAE later this week....

    Fujairah has very looking for an anchor customer for some time.

    The long term prospects for Russian gas exports to Europe are looking fainter by the minute.
    (Technically the Fujairah expansion.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    Roger said:

    SeanT said:

    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump

    Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
    Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
    They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?

    After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
    Another said they respected the Queen's 70 years of service and Scottish teenagers are hardly the most respectful group for British monarchy in the UK
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    jonny83 said:

    MISTY said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even Meghan singing God Save the King

    Good for her. She shed a tear earlier. She’s done fine this week past.
    Yes, surprising, but Meghan did very well.
    Just a shame that this deeply sad week or so has done them so much good in the public's eye and yet that will all change again with Harry's book. All that credit will be lost

    It will be a storm in a teacup. Meghan has overegged it. We could have a conversation about whether the RF is sort of structurally or institutionally racist without realising it in a way she found difficult but who seriously believes that the key players and managers in todoay's events are the sort of people who go around thinking of people as, or calling them, n----rs?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,671

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30.
    Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
    The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
    Royal Standard never goes to half mast.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30.
    Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
    The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
    I honestly dont know
    It is personal to the current sovereign so presumably yes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969

    Omnium said:

    Did the ABoC just come out as a Socialist? - 'Those who cling to power and privileges are long forgotten.'

    So the Church of England is no longer the Conservative Party at prayer?
    The C of E congregation largely still are, the C of E clergy though are largely LD or Starmer Labour with a few notable exceptions like high Tory Reverend Marcus Walker
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30.
    Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
    The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
    Yes. The Royal Standard is never flown at half mast.
  • SeanT said:

    Oh my days. The piper

    Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
    It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
    It still troubles me
    My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
    Many sympathies, OKC. Have a similar t-shirt so know the feeling, and understand.
    It was a day full of reminders from one's own past. A very moving day.
    How very true. I think we all must have recalled our lost loved ones, and the funeral services we have attended.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,159
    I'd vote to scrap the monarchy, I don't feel a personal connection, it wasn't at all like losing my granny, but that was a spectacle and I felt something. Won't say more because if I did I'd veer into overwrought, slightly self-conscious pomposity. And it just isn't the time or place for that.
  • Roger said:

    SeanT said:

    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump

    Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
    Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
    They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?

    After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
    Didn't even mention a couple of extra Bank Holidays? Ungrateful sods.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    Roger said:

    SeanT said:

    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump

    Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
    Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
    They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?

    After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
    Your effortless tone-deafness continues

    You don’t just fail to read the room, you ignore the room completely and zero in on the reeking open drain seven blocks away from the room, to make sure you fall in

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,969
    edited September 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
    Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
    They are both proseltysing religions - which is the main problem with them.
    Evangelical Christianity and radical Islam are, the Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran churches aren't so much, nor nowadays is Roman Catholicism really
  • IshmaelZ said:

    jonny83 said:

    MISTY said:

    Taz said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even Meghan singing God Save the King

    Good for her. She shed a tear earlier. She’s done fine this week past.
    Yes, surprising, but Meghan did very well.
    Just a shame that this deeply sad week or so has done them so much good in the public's eye and yet that will all change again with Harry's book. All that credit will be lost

    It will be a storm in a teacup. Meghan has overegged it. We could have a conversation about whether the RF is sort of structurally or institutionally racist without realising it in a way she found difficult but who seriously believes that the key players and managers in todoay's events are the sort of people who go around thinking of people as, or calling them, n----rs?
    Given the list of examples of where Meghan seems to "exaggerate" things grows by the day, I think most people will put a discount on what's said. He will just be seen as a bit of a gimp.
  • Eabhal said:

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30.
    Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
    The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
    Royal Standard never goes to half mast.
    Presumably because the Monarch never dies.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,765
    SeanT said:

    Roger said:

    SeanT said:

    Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones

    I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it

    *group hug*

    Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump

    Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
    Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
    They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?

    After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
    Your effortless tone-deafness continues

    You don’t just fail to read the room, you ignore the room completely and zero in on the reeking open drain seven blocks away from the room, to make sure you fall in

    Oh shut up.
  • Feels rather empty now.

    A good thing, I think.
    Will hopefully encourage in time some re-thinking of what Britain is, can be, or should be.
  • I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30.
    Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
    The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
    The Royal Standard is never at half mast because the transfer of sovereignty is instantaneous

  • being a bit bitchy but Tony Blair has definitely overtaken Gordon Brown in age - coming up on John Major too!
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,158
    edited September 2022
    Omnium said:

    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?

    And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?

    So long as he takes Huw Edwards with him.

    However they're likely to be succeeded with the like of Amul Rajan. The good news is that it can't really get worse.
    That does rather assume that the BBC continues at all.
    I'd quite like them to do so. Mainly for the radio - although it's poor, it's not irredeemably so.
    There have been some tentative and hopeful signs of the more cultured and unpredictable output of the '80s and early '90s returning to BBC TV recently, specifically primetme BBC2 . First the James Joyce documentary last week, and now Mike Newell's Guernsey Literary Society on BBC2 tonight. I haven't seen these sorts of things appearing on primetime on the channel for many a year.

    The BBC did well today.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549

    My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.

    Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?

    Whoever it was: chapeau
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Feels rather empty now.

    A good thing, I think.
    Will hopefully encourage in time some re-thinking of what Britain is, can be, or should be.

    The reinvention of Great Britain
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Scott_xP said:

    Kirsty Young’s monologue on the final departure of the Queen is utterly beautiful. https://twitter.com/MonarchyUK/status/1571894807512899586/video/1

    Agree that was brilliant . It’s strange all day I’ve not been emotional but that bit and the soldier playing the bagpipes as he slowly walked further away from the coffin in the church was very touching .
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
    Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
    They are both proseltysing religions - which is the main problem with them.
    Evangelical Christianity and radical Islam are, the Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran churches aren't so much, nor nowadays is Roman Catholicism really
    As an agnostic, I have absolutely zero problem with religious people evangelizing. Open discussion and debate is a good thing. My problem is when religions try to enforce, whether by policy or social pressure, conformity to their religion. Especially, if their religion supports oppressive positions towards women and gay people. On those counts, Christianity and Judaism have mixed records and Islam has a very poor one.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    being a bit bitchy but Tony Blair has definitely overtaken Gordon Brown in age - coming up on John Major too!

    The long hair doesn’t work.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    I thought Prince of Kent looked like he could have been Tsar Nicholas II a few years older. maybe it was just the beard.
  • ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Dynamo said:

    SeanT said:

    Dunno who is on ITV but they are far better than BBC

    “Hope is the alchemy that turns a life around”

    Superb line. Just thrown out there

    Christ..
    It has all the poetry of a Barry Manilow song.
    HYUFD said:

    My brother believes Australia will be “on the road to republicanism” by the time of the next Australian election.

    After that NZ will follow.

    William and Kate need an extended period in the South Pacific.

    Actually 60% of Australians want to keep the monarchy in a new poll taken after the Queen's death and as Charles III became King.

    https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/a-resounding-majority-of-australians-want-to-retain-the-monarchy-rather-than-become-a-republic

    NZ is culturally even closer to us than Australia
    Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
    And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
    If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.

    Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
    The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.

    You know nothing of the subject.
    Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
    Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
    No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
    New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
    NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
    Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.

    Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.

    Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
    I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.

    57% of Australia's exports are of raw materials.

    For the UK, it's 8%.

    Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
    Three thousand miles is hardly 'very close.'
    Well: for a start most of Australia's raw material exports aren't coming from Sydney.

    Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.

    Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.

    If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?

    Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?

    South Africa is a lot further. Ditton Colombia.
    I was measuring from Darwin to Nanning. From Sydney it would be a lot further.

    And yes, I take your point that it's closer than any other major market/resource combination for the two, but that doesn't make it close. It's the difference between saying 'Yeltsin was a good President' and 'Yeltsin is a better president than Putin.'
    The point is that it is the closest.
    It is one of Barty’s little conceits that geography doesn’t matter when it comes to trade.
    It used to matter a lot, lot more.

    It doesn't matter anywhere near as much nowadays as other issues do - including yes of course what competitive advantages you have (like resources).

    Making the most of your advantages, globally, improves trade more than obsessing over geography.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    Feels rather empty now.

    A good thing, I think.
    Will hopefully encourage in time some re-thinking of what Britain is, can be, or should be.

    I feel the same way, a bit empty.
  • being a bit bitchy but Tony Blair has definitely overtaken Gordon Brown in age - coming up on John Major too!

    He's long been coming up on Peter Stringfellow.
  • My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.

    Going up the chapel steps. Tricky, but done perfectly.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    WillG said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
    Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
    They are both proseltysing religions - which is the main problem with them.
    Evangelical Christianity and radical Islam are, the Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran churches aren't so much, nor nowadays is Roman Catholicism really
    As an agnostic, I have absolutely zero problem with religious people evangelizing. Open discussion and debate is a good thing. My problem is when religions try to enforce, whether by policy or social pressure, conformity to their religion. Especially, if their religion supports oppressive positions towards women and gay people. On those counts, Christianity and Judaism have mixed records and Islam has a very poor one.
    For me, my faith and belief are a matter for me and my God. Its a personal journey. Ive never understood proselytising. I very rarely discuss it, even with family.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    SeanT said:

    My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.

    Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?

    Whoever it was: chapeau
    I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    SeanT said:

    My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.

    Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?

    Whoever it was: chapeau
    I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
    Yeah he reminded me of Rob Beckett a bit
  • kinabalu said:

    I'd vote to scrap the monarchy, I don't feel a personal connection, it wasn't at all like losing my granny, but that was a spectacle and I felt something. Won't say more because if I did I'd veer into overwrought, slightly self-conscious pomposity. And it just isn't the time or place for that.

    You are probably like me, K, in thinking that if the Monarchy didn't exist you wouldn't want to invent it. But it does exist and looking at that lot today I'd say on the whole they're a pretty decent bunch and mostly do a good job, or certainly try to. Sure, there's Andrew but then there's the late Queen, who undoubtedly was a potent force for good in the world. I expect her son will try to emulate that and if he only part succeeds he'll be doing a decent job.

    The Institution has survived against the odds because of its flexibilty and the quality of its best representatives. Why fix it, if it ain't broken?
  • rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    SeanT said:

    Being religious is just… better… isn’t it?

    You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably

    Atheists are wankers

    Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.

    (Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
    No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.

    The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
    Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
    Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
    Well yes. Its the middle child of the three big Abrahamic religions.
    There are so few Jews, can Judaism really be described as "big".
    Culturally, yes.

    Numerically, no, but culturally its had a very big impact.
  • SeanT said:

    My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.

    Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?

    Whoever it was: chapeau
    I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
    Yeah he reminded me of Rob Beckett a bit
    That’s who it was - was irritating me I couldn’t remember

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.

    Some on them flown in from Iraq last week.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957

    SeanT said:

    My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.

    Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?

    Whoever it was: chapeau
    I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
    Yes it was.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    RobD said:

    Feels rather empty now.

    A good thing, I think.
    Will hopefully encourage in time some re-thinking of what Britain is, can be, or should be.

    I feel the same way, a bit empty.
    I’m the same. Weary and voided

    But: Aren’t we meant to feel this way? Isn’t that the point of a good funeral? It’s catharsis. You purge the emotions with the tears. It hurts but it heals

    And thus you slowly recover
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    kinabalu said:

    I'd vote to scrap the monarchy, I don't feel a personal connection, it wasn't at all like losing my granny, but that was a spectacle and I felt something. Won't say more because if I did I'd veer into overwrought, slightly self-conscious pomposity. And it just isn't the time or place for that.

    You are probably like me, K, in thinking that if the Monarchy didn't exist you wouldn't want to invent it. But it does exist and looking at that lot today I'd say on the whole they're a pretty decent bunch and mostly do a good job, or certainly try to. Sure, there's Andrew but then there's the late Queen, who undoubtedly was a potent force for good in the world. I expect her son will try to emulate that and if he only part succeeds he'll be doing a decent job.

    The Institution has survived against the odds because of its flexibilty and the quality of its best representatives. Why fix it, if it ain't broken?
    I do fear Charles could break it, but William seems like a safe pair of hands.

    Anything beats President Boris Johnson I guess.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507

    SeanT said:

    My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.

    Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?

    Whoever it was: chapeau
    I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
    Yeah he reminded me of Rob Beckett a bit
    I tried to count the stripes they had. 2 I think had 3 (sergeant?), 1 had 2 (corporal?) And I think 5 had none so I'm guessing they were Privates.
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549

    cathartic
    /kəˈθɑːtɪk/

    adjective
    1.
    providing psychological relief through the open expression of strong emotions; causing catharsis.
    "crying is a cathartic release"
  • SeanTSeanT Posts: 549
    I am cathartised
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