Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
Please see post to OKC, which applies equally to you and yours.
Indeed, and to any and all who've suffered the pain of loss or are remembering it today
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
So very sorry to hear that. Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
Its a one in a million chance. There is only one team in the UK that deals with cjd and its in Edinburgh. V grateful to them.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
Please see post to OKC, which applies equally to you and yours.
Thank you and I understand the pain of all those who go through this type of illness.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
So very sorry to hear that. Happened to a friend of mine 2 years ago.
Its a one in a million chance. There is only one team in the UK that deals with cjd and its in Edinburgh. V grateful to them.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
Many sympathies, OKC. Have a similar t-shirt so know the feeling, and understand.
It was a day full of reminders from one's own past. A very moving day.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
I am so sorry - heartfelt condolences to you and your family
Many sympathies to OKC and Squareroot - both deaths sound utterly appalling, and must have made today all the harder. All good wishes.
Actually I marvelled at how well it has all been done. No other Country in the World could put on something like this. A tremendous send off to a wonderful Queen. My sister presented flowers to the Queen when she was about 13.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
Well yes. Its the middle child of the three big Abrahamic religions.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
So sorry to hear this @squareroot2 - thats horrible.
My deepest condolences to you and your family. May God be with you x
Just logged on for the committal... Dear God they dug up a Dimbleby for the full on arslikhan... Sovereign, Subjects... the last time... Oh put a sock in it.
If you could turn to ITV in the Baltic States you could get the younger brother too.
By the time of William’s funeral we will be debating who is to be appointed the Dimbleby to mark the sad event
Just logged on for the committal... Dear God they dug up a Dimbleby for the full on arslikhan... Sovereign, Subjects... the last time... Oh put a sock in it.
If you could turn to ITV in the Baltic States you could get the younger brother too.
By the time of William’s funeral we will be debating who is to be appointed the Dimbleby to mark the sad event
I hope to live to see his Coronation. Definitely not his funeral.
Just logged on for the committal... Dear God they dug up a Dimbleby for the full on arslikhan... Sovereign, Subjects... the last time... Oh put a sock in it.
If you could turn to ITV in the Baltic States you could get the younger brother too.
By the time of William’s funeral we will be debating who is to be appointed the Dimbleby to mark the sad event
Forgive me, but I very much hope I will be long gone before that day arrives, so won't need to worry about it.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
So sorry to hear this @squareroot2 - thats horrible.
My deepest condolences to you and your family. May God be with you x
One thing I don't understand is why anybody wants a photo of the hearse on their own phone. You know you were there. I'm sure nobody will accuse of lying about it. And far better photos are freely available. Treasure the moment.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
They are both proseltysing religions - which is the main problem with them.
Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones
I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it
*group hug*
Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump
Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
So sorry to hear, squareroot ; my genuine condolences.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
Well yes. Its the middle child of the three big Abrahamic religions.
There are so few Jews, can Judaism really be described as "big".
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
So sorry to hear and that you had to go through that, no parent should bury their child.
Condolences to @squareroot2 as well and everyone else.
I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30. Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i guess flags at royal residences stay half mast
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
So sorry to hear this @squareroot2 - thats horrible.
My deepest condolences to you and your family. May God be with you x
Thank you one and all. But Science is wonderful. My late wife died as a result of Lupus, but there is FANTASTIC news on this front and those who suffer from rheumatoid arthritis and similar illnesses
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
Well yes. Its the middle child of the three big Abrahamic religions.
There are so few Jews, can Judaism really be described as "big".
Perhaps not in absolute numbers, but in terms of cultural influence, certainly. Not least because of Judaism's influence on Christianity and Islam.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
My darling sister has just died of cjd.. awful illness we knew what was coming but unbearable when it did. Funeral to come but a tragedy for all who knew her... as it was for you and your family.
So sorry to hear this @squareroot2 - thats horrible.
My deepest condolences to you and your family. May God be with you x
Thank you one and all. But Science is wonderful. My late wife died as a result of Lupus, but there is FANTASTIC news on this front and those who suffer from rheumatoid arthritis and similar illnesses
Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones
I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it
*group hug*
Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump
Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?
After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30. Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30. Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones
I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it
*group hug*
Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump
Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?
After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
Another said they respected the Queen's 70 years of service and Scottish teenagers are hardly the most respectful group for British monarchy in the UK
Good for her. She shed a tear earlier. She’s done fine this week past.
Yes, surprising, but Meghan did very well.
Just a shame that this deeply sad week or so has done them so much good in the public's eye and yet that will all change again with Harry's book. All that credit will be lost
It will be a storm in a teacup. Meghan has overegged it. We could have a conversation about whether the RF is sort of structurally or institutionally racist without realising it in a way she found difficult but who seriously believes that the key players and managers in todoay's events are the sort of people who go around thinking of people as, or calling them, n----rs?
I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30. Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30. Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
I honestly dont know
It is personal to the current sovereign so presumably yes.
Did the ABoC just come out as a Socialist? - 'Those who cling to power and privileges are long forgotten.'
So the Church of England is no longer the Conservative Party at prayer?
The C of E congregation largely still are, the C of E clergy though are largely LD or Starmer Labour with a few notable exceptions like high Tory Reverend Marcus Walker
I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30. Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
Yes. The Royal Standard is never flown at half mast.
Jeez the tears streamed, reminded me of Mums service and them driving her away to be cremated
It is a horrible feeling. I couldn't watch my Mum's coffin roll behind the curtains. I was a student at the time. It marked the real end then.
It still troubles me
My worst funeral was our daughters. She developed MND in her late 40s. We knew what was going to happen of course but it was still awful when it finally happened!
Many sympathies, OKC. Have a similar t-shirt so know the feeling, and understand.
It was a day full of reminders from one's own past. A very moving day.
How very true. I think we all must have recalled our lost loved ones, and the funeral services we have attended.
I'd vote to scrap the monarchy, I don't feel a personal connection, it wasn't at all like losing my granny, but that was a spectacle and I felt something. Won't say more because if I did I'd veer into overwrought, slightly self-conscious pomposity. And it just isn't the time or place for that.
Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones
I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it
*group hug*
Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump
Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?
After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
Didn't even mention a couple of extra Bank Holidays? Ungrateful sods.
Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones
I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it
*group hug*
Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump
Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?
After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
Your effortless tone-deafness continues
You don’t just fail to read the room, you ignore the room completely and zero in on the reeking open drain seven blocks away from the room, to make sure you fall in
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
They are both proseltysing religions - which is the main problem with them.
Evangelical Christianity and radical Islam are, the Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran churches aren't so much, nor nowadays is Roman Catholicism really
Good for her. She shed a tear earlier. She’s done fine this week past.
Yes, surprising, but Meghan did very well.
Just a shame that this deeply sad week or so has done them so much good in the public's eye and yet that will all change again with Harry's book. All that credit will be lost
It will be a storm in a teacup. Meghan has overegged it. We could have a conversation about whether the RF is sort of structurally or institutionally racist without realising it in a way she found difficult but who seriously believes that the key players and managers in todoay's events are the sort of people who go around thinking of people as, or calling them, n----rs?
Given the list of examples of where Meghan seems to "exaggerate" things grows by the day, I think most people will put a discount on what's said. He will just be seen as a bit of a gimp.
My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.
I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30. Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
Even if you are atheist and republican the queen’s funeral has brought out many stories of Pb-ers and their lost and suffering loved ones
I had no idea. But of course it is obvious if you think about it
*group hug*
Maybe royalty is good for this alone. Also we avoid a Donald trump
Monarchy works. Because it's deeply human.
Not for everyone it doesn’t. The idea that someone is better than some else by accident of birth is as iniquitous for royalty as for race,min my opinion. The last State Funeral was for Winston Churchill, awarded on merit. I think the queen was magnificent, and am sad to see her go, but I’d be happier if she was the last royal.
They just asked some Scottish teenagers in Edinburgh what the Royal Family meant to them?
After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
Your effortless tone-deafness continues
You don’t just fail to read the room, you ignore the room completely and zero in on the reeking open drain seven blocks away from the room, to make sure you fall in
I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
State mourning ends at 8pm, the private interment is at 7.30. Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i uyess flags at royal residences stay half mast
The Royal Standard at Windsor appeared to be at full mast as the courtege arrived. Does the new king take precedence over HMQ for that flag?
The Royal Standard is never at half mast because the transfer of sovereignty is instantaneous
I presume that now Queen Elizabeth has been interred, the flags no longer need to be at half mast?
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
So long as he takes Huw Edwards with him.
However they're likely to be succeeded with the like of Amul Rajan. The good news is that it can't really get worse.
That does rather assume that the BBC continues at all.
I'd quite like them to do so. Mainly for the radio - although it's poor, it's not irredeemably so.
There have been some tentative and hopeful signs of the more cultured and unpredictable output of the '80s and early '90s returning to BBC TV recently, specifically primetme BBC2 . First the James Joyce documentary last week, and now Mike Newell's Guernsey Literary Society on BBC2 tonight. I haven't seen these sorts of things appearing on primetime on the channel for many a year.
My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.
Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?
Agree that was brilliant . It’s strange all day I’ve not been emotional but that bit and the soldier playing the bagpipes as he slowly walked further away from the coffin in the church was very touching .
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
They are both proseltysing religions - which is the main problem with them.
Evangelical Christianity and radical Islam are, the Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran churches aren't so much, nor nowadays is Roman Catholicism really
As an agnostic, I have absolutely zero problem with religious people evangelizing. Open discussion and debate is a good thing. My problem is when religions try to enforce, whether by policy or social pressure, conformity to their religion. Especially, if their religion supports oppressive positions towards women and gay people. On those counts, Christianity and Judaism have mixed records and Islam has a very poor one.
Jacinda has a tough fight at the next GE so unlikely to want to open that can of worms
And her opponent Christopher Luxon is a strong monarchist
If Australia “goes”, then it will be almost impossible for NZ to escape that gravity.
Not necessarily, NZ likes defining itself against Australia, see also Canada defining itself against the US having kept the monarchy for centuries after the US became a republic
The NZ does not define itself “against” Australia in the way you think it does.
You know nothing of the subject.
Last time I mistook a New Zealander for an Australian in London, I got a death stare before quickly being told in very strong terms they were actually a Kiwi
Possibly because you were rude and assumed where somebody was from, rather than asking them?
No, New Zealanders are generally not as wealthy as Australians but they still consider themselves intellectually and culturally superior and not as money focused. See also Canadians and Americans
New Zealand got a lot poorer when we joined the EU. Hopefully some of that business can find its way back to NZ now.
NZ has done very well thanks over the past twenty years and is likely to overtake the UK in average living standards this decade.
Indeed Luckyguy1983 has it backwards, since the UK joined the EU it was the UK that struggled economically, not other English speaking nations. Every other English speaking developed nation has grown faster than the UK since 1993, not slower.
Australia was much poorer than the UK per capita at the start of the 90s, now it is much, much richer poor capita. NZ was much, much poorer than the UK per capita then, but now its about the same.
Hopefully now that we're out of the EU, we can start to recover and grow like non-EU English speaking nations like NZ and Australia etc have.
I know we've had this argument a gazillion times, but the UK's economy doesn't look anything like Australia or New Zealand.
Australia has massively benefitted from having enormous quantities of cheaply extractable raw materials, at exactly the time that China (which happens to be very close) has needed them.
Three thousand miles is hardly 'very close.'
Well: for a start most of Australia's raw material exports aren't coming from Sydney.
Natural gas and oil comes from the Northwest Shelf, while Coal comes from Queensland.
Secondly: a massive mine near the coast is in a fantastic position to export to China.
If you have coal in Queensland, where do you think the nearest large markets for coal are?
Likewise, if you are in Guangzhou, where do you think the easiest place to buy coal from is?
South Africa is a lot further. Ditton Colombia.
I was measuring from Darwin to Nanning. From Sydney it would be a lot further.
And yes, I take your point that it's closer than any other major market/resource combination for the two, but that doesn't make it close. It's the difference between saying 'Yeltsin was a good President' and 'Yeltsin is a better president than Putin.'
The point is that it is the closest. It is one of Barty’s little conceits that geography doesn’t matter when it comes to trade.
It used to matter a lot, lot more.
It doesn't matter anywhere near as much nowadays as other issues do - including yes of course what competitive advantages you have (like resources).
Making the most of your advantages, globally, improves trade more than obsessing over geography.
My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.
Going up the chapel steps. Tricky, but done perfectly.
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
They are both proseltysing religions - which is the main problem with them.
Evangelical Christianity and radical Islam are, the Anglican, Methodist and Lutheran churches aren't so much, nor nowadays is Roman Catholicism really
As an agnostic, I have absolutely zero problem with religious people evangelizing. Open discussion and debate is a good thing. My problem is when religions try to enforce, whether by policy or social pressure, conformity to their religion. Especially, if their religion supports oppressive positions towards women and gay people. On those counts, Christianity and Judaism have mixed records and Islam has a very poor one.
For me, my faith and belief are a matter for me and my God. Its a personal journey. Ive never understood proselytising. I very rarely discuss it, even with family.
My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.
Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?
Whoever it was: chapeau
I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.
Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?
Whoever it was: chapeau
I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
I'd vote to scrap the monarchy, I don't feel a personal connection, it wasn't at all like losing my granny, but that was a spectacle and I felt something. Won't say more because if I did I'd veer into overwrought, slightly self-conscious pomposity. And it just isn't the time or place for that.
You are probably like me, K, in thinking that if the Monarchy didn't exist you wouldn't want to invent it. But it does exist and looking at that lot today I'd say on the whole they're a pretty decent bunch and mostly do a good job, or certainly try to. Sure, there's Andrew but then there's the late Queen, who undoubtedly was a potent force for good in the world. I expect her son will try to emulate that and if he only part succeeds he'll be doing a decent job.
The Institution has survived against the odds because of its flexibilty and the quality of its best representatives. Why fix it, if it ain't broken?
You can have all the fun you like. Then you go to heaven, probably
Atheists are wankers
Of course, if God does exist. And the God that exists is the Muslim one, well, you're going to be fucked.
(Come to mention it: there's a whole bunch of religions that you'd better pray are not right.)
No, the Christian, Muslim and Jewish religions all believe in the same God. The God of Abraham.
The main difference between them is the Christians believe Jesus was the Messiah unlike the other 2 and Muslims believe Muhammad was their main prophet unlike the other 2 and the Jews only follow the Old Testament
Jesus is regarded as a prophet by the Muslims. The last before Mohammed ,
Indeed, in some respects Christianity is closer to Islam than Judaism
Well yes. Its the middle child of the three big Abrahamic religions.
There are so few Jews, can Judaism really be described as "big".
Culturally, yes.
Numerically, no, but culturally its had a very big impact.
My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.
Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?
Whoever it was: chapeau
I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
Yeah he reminded me of Rob Beckett a bit
That’s who it was - was irritating me I couldn’t remember
My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.
My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.
Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?
Whoever it was: chapeau
I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
A good thing, I think. Will hopefully encourage in time some re-thinking of what Britain is, can be, or should be.
I feel the same way, a bit empty.
I’m the same. Weary and voided
But: Aren’t we meant to feel this way? Isn’t that the point of a good funeral? It’s catharsis. You purge the emotions with the tears. It hurts but it heals
I'd vote to scrap the monarchy, I don't feel a personal connection, it wasn't at all like losing my granny, but that was a spectacle and I felt something. Won't say more because if I did I'd veer into overwrought, slightly self-conscious pomposity. And it just isn't the time or place for that.
You are probably like me, K, in thinking that if the Monarchy didn't exist you wouldn't want to invent it. But it does exist and looking at that lot today I'd say on the whole they're a pretty decent bunch and mostly do a good job, or certainly try to. Sure, there's Andrew but then there's the late Queen, who undoubtedly was a potent force for good in the world. I expect her son will try to emulate that and if he only part succeeds he'll be doing a decent job.
The Institution has survived against the odds because of its flexibilty and the quality of its best representatives. Why fix it, if it ain't broken?
I do fear Charles could break it, but William seems like a safe pair of hands.
My heroes of the day are the 8 pall bearers. I make it they had to do 5 separate transfers during the day. So much pressure and didn't put a foot wrong. Enjoy a beer tonight.
Do we know it was the same guys all the way through?
Whoever it was: chapeau
I'm sure it was. Same young blond chap front left corner. None looked older than 25.
Yeah he reminded me of Rob Beckett a bit
I tried to count the stripes they had. 2 I think had 3 (sergeant?), 1 had 2 (corporal?) And I think 5 had none so I'm guessing they were Privates.
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It's odd what triggers the memory!
What a depressing moment. I think I need to do something else now.
Her eulogy nearly set me off again too.
My deepest condolences to you and your family. May God be with you x
So sorry to hear this @squareroot2
God bless you and your family
That's the regularly successful paradox, especially if the monarch is kept further away from politics.
Condolences to @squareroot2 as well and everyone else.
And Nicholas Witchell can be returned to the BBC vaults, never to be released?
Royal Household mourning goes on for a further week, so i guess flags at royal residences stay half mast
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/sep/15/scientists-hail-autoimmune-disease-therapy-breakthrough-car-t-cell-lupus
However they're likely to be succeeded with the like of Amul Rajan. The good news is that it can't really get worse.
After a long pause one of them replied "Traffic hold-ups"
I don't like running in the dark but this time of the year and March to May is when I hit my PBs
The long term prospects for Russian gas exports to Europe are looking fainter by the minute.
You don’t just fail to read the room, you ignore the room completely and zero in on the reeking open drain seven blocks away from the room, to make sure you fall in
A good thing, I think.
Will hopefully encourage in time some re-thinking of what Britain is, can be, or should be.
The BBC did well today.
Whoever it was: chapeau
It doesn't matter anywhere near as much nowadays as other issues do - including yes of course what competitive advantages you have (like resources).
Making the most of your advantages, globally, improves trade more than obsessing over geography.
The Institution has survived against the odds because of its flexibilty and the quality of its best representatives. Why fix it, if it ain't broken?
Numerically, no, but culturally its had a very big impact.
But: Aren’t we meant to feel this way? Isn’t that the point of a good funeral? It’s catharsis. You purge the emotions with the tears. It hurts but it heals
And thus you slowly recover
Anything beats President Boris Johnson I guess.
cathartic
/kəˈθɑːtɪk/
adjective
1.
providing psychological relief through the open expression of strong emotions; causing catharsis.
"crying is a cathartic release"