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And so the Queen’s coffin arrives in Westminster – politicalbetting.com

Queen Elizabeth II's coffin has arrived at Westminster Hall on the parliamentary estate where hundreds of thousands of people are preparing to pay their respects over a five-day Lying-in-State pic.twitter.com/MTKtgJe1nH

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tlg86

First.

paulyork64

second. like QE was.

Jonathan

third like Charles

kle4

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

wooliedyed

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

TheScreamingEagles

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

SeaShantyIrish2

kle4 said:

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

FYI (also BTW) the Queen's reception room (or whatever they call it) in the House of Lords section of the Palace of Westminster, features a copy of the death warrant of Charles I.

A rather pointed reminder to the Sovereign, believe that's the point.

paulyork64

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Duke of Norfolk lives in Sussex. Duke of Devonshire lives in Derbyshire. Duke of Cambridge/Cornwall lives in neither. Do any of them live where they are Duke of?

WhisperingOracle

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

And very close family networks ! Alan Partridge also lives among you, ofcourse. Wasn't East Anglia the most important, prized part of the country during the Civil War ?

Omnium

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

rcs1000

LostPassword said:

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rcs1000 said:

JosiasJessop said:

Leon said:

JosiasJessop said:

Leon said:

Tanks driven by ACTUAL SOLDIERS are surely doomed. They are pointless, tragic deathtraps

There will be a role for unmanned vehicles driven either entirely by AI or with the help of some guy in Swindon 3000 miles away sitting bored at a screen

This is the future of war. Soldiers won’t die. Civilians will. At the hands of drones and ai machines

Oh God, you're on your AI mastabatery again. There's a great trend amongst the stupid or credulous that "AI" (*) is the solution to any problem.

It isn't. Take the above: the main purpose of a tank is to take ground off the enemy. To do that, you need infantry. They're an infantry support vehicle with an effing big gun designed to take out other infantry support vehicles with effing bug guns, hardpoints, or in Russia's case, civilian cars. They augment ground forces.

In addition, tanks go wrong. Often. They need basic maintenance, from repairs to tracks to refuelling and rearming. Things the crew can do.

There have been attempts at unmanned ground vehicles, but they haven't really got very far. As an example, Russia has had the Uran-9 for six years. So what are we not seeing them in Ukraine? Perhaps because they don't work very well...

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/uran-9-unmanned-ground-combat-vehicle/

(*) Usually a simple ML program written by a drunken undergraduate at the University of West Scotland.

Drones are taking over from planes. The same will happen in every theatre of war. It’s obvious to all but the terminally clueless

You are Duncan Sandys and I demand my five-pound note.

(As you won't know, Duncan Sandys was the Minister of Defence who scrapped loads of the UK's plane projects in favour of missiles and unmanned systems, which were 'obviously' better. That was in 1957. We still have manned planes 65 years later.)

Keeping pilots alive takes up a lot of space in a plane. It means they are bigger than they should be. It also makes them much more expensive, and limits - for example - the G-Forces they can pull.

If you lose a drone, you might lose a $5m piece of kit. If you lose a F35, you have lost a $85m piece of kit, and you have lost an incredibly hard to replace pilot.

You can swarm a target with drones and accept a 50% attrition rate. Try doing that with human beings.

Aerial warfare is going to go all drone in the medium term: first (as now) with remote pilots. But over time they will get increasingly augmented with technology.

Has anyone made a drone for shooting down other drones yet?

Broadly speaking, there are two working classes of drones: reconnaissance (which go from hand launched to vey large) and ground attack.

The US is currently building tanker drones, which would loiter behind the front line, or even accompany other vehicles on missions.

And there are a number of well funded projects to build "fighter" drones, that would shoot down both drones and manned aircraft. Some are are part of the US "loyal wingman" programme, while others are planning on producing much more autonomous vehicles that would have long linger times, and would be able to defend airspace.

TheScreamingEagles

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

kle4 said:

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

FYI (also BTW) the Queen's reception room (or whatever they call it) in the House of Lords section of the Palace of Westminster, features a copy of the death warrant of Charles I.

A rather pointed reminder to the Sovereign, believe that's the point.

So is the statue of Olly Cromwell, the best head of state we ever had.

He was so awesome only someone descended from him could replace him.

boulay

paulyork64 said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Duke of Norfolk lives in Sussex. Duke of Devonshire lives in Derbyshire. Duke of Cambridge/Cornwall lives in neither. Do any of them live where they are Duke of?

Didn’t we establish on last thread that the dual Dukes of Hazard live in Hazard County?

kle4

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

It means people will be pleasantly surprised to find out, and wont get carried away.

Omnium

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

kle4 said:

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

FYI (also BTW) the Queen's reception room (or whatever they call it) in the House of Lords section of the Palace of Westminster, features a copy of the death warrant of Charles I.

A rather pointed reminder to the Sovereign, believe that's the point.

So is the statue of Olly Cromwell, the best head of state we ever had.

He was so awesome only someone descended from him could replace him.

I think you'd be very dead if you called him Olly.

Carnyx

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

Bit odd, he was a furriner almost as much as the Danes were. What would he be doing there? Had plenty fens of his own in Wessex.

The embryo Admiral Nelson could be added to the credit list, and the pub opposite Blickling Hall (best ploughman's I ever had).

kle4

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

kle4 said:

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

FYI (also BTW) the Queen's reception room (or whatever they call it) in the House of Lords section of the Palace of Westminster, features a copy of the death warrant of Charles I.

A rather pointed reminder to the Sovereign, believe that's the point.

So is the statue of Olly Cromwell, the best head of state we ever had.

He was so awesome only someone descended from him could replace him.

Should have been Henry.

state_go_away

Norfolk and Chance is of course the finest legal firm in East Anglia

kle4

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

kle4 said:

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

FYI (also BTW) the Queen's reception room (or whatever they call it) in the House of Lords section of the Palace of Westminster, features a copy of the death warrant of Charles I.

A rather pointed reminder to the Sovereign, believe that's the point.

Love it . They never mentioned it when I took the tour.

RobD

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

kle4 said:

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

FYI (also BTW) the Queen's reception room (or whatever they call it) in the House of Lords section of the Palace of Westminster, features a copy of the death warrant of Charles I.

A rather pointed reminder to the Sovereign, believe that's the point.

It's tit-for-tat with these kind of things. The monarch keeps a hostage at the palace while they are opening parliament.

dixiedean

paulyork64 said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Duke of Norfolk lives in Sussex. Duke of Devonshire lives in Derbyshire. Duke of Cambridge/Cornwall lives in neither. Do any of them live where they are Duke of?

Duke of Northumberland lives in Alnwick Castle when he isn't in London.

WhisperingOracle

paulyork64 said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Duke of Norfolk lives in Sussex. Duke of Devonshire lives in Derbyshire. Duke of Cambridge/Cornwall lives in neither. Do any of them live where they are Duke of?

Well, it's a bit of a baronial Norman racket, if we're honest and I think we all know.

Carnyx

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

kle4 said:

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

FYI (also BTW) the Queen's reception room (or whatever they call it) in the House of Lords section of the Palace of Westminster, features a copy of the death warrant of Charles I.

A rather pointed reminder to the Sovereign, believe that's the point.

So is the statue of Olly Cromwell, the best head of state we ever had.

He was so awesome only someone descended from him could replace him.

Royalty did *not* like his commemoration, even by one W.Churchill.

https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/hms-cromwell-naming-warships/

wooliedyed

WhisperingOracle said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

And very close family networks ! Alan Partridge also lives amongst you. Wasn't East Anglia the most important prized part of the country during the Civil War ?

During all wars, ever. Amongst its Lavender fields lies majesty. The county that held up the advance of the glaciars in the last ice age, our terminal moraine is the grave of those frozen gods that sought to entomb us forever in ice.

Jonathan

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

That's a fact impossible to overlook, Sussex is where the wiser people from Norfolk escape. The best county by far.

kle4

Omnium said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

kle4 said:

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

FYI (also BTW) the Queen's reception room (or whatever they call it) in the House of Lords section of the Palace of Westminster, features a copy of the death warrant of Charles I.

A rather pointed reminder to the Sovereign, believe that's the point.

So is the statue of Olly Cromwell, the best head of state we ever had.

He was so awesome only someone descended from him could replace him.

I think you'd be very dead if you called him Olly.

'Twould be the hand of divine providence striking thee down.

SeaShantyIrish2

NH Primary 2022 - Republican for US Senate, to run against Democratic incumbent Sen. Maggie Hassan

Updated 6m ago
89% REPORTED
Donald Bolduc
49,944 37.0%
Chuck Morse
48,526 36.0%
Kevin Smith
15,801 11.7%
Total reported
134,947

Still too close to call (at least AP has yet to call it) but suspect that MAGA maniac Gen. Bolduc will prevail in the end; NOT in the general election however.

BTW, that noted Wokeist, RINO and New Hampster Corey Lewandowski pointedly urged his former boss (guess who?) NOT to endorse the General, on grounds that his nomination would ensure re-election of Sen Hassan in this key battleground for control of the US Senate.

EDIT, this just in - NYT -Live Updates: With Concession, New Hampshire Is Set to Add Another Election Denier to Ballot

Don Bolduc’s top rival conceded in the Republican Senate primary in New Hampshire, leaving some Republicans worried about a weak nominee against Senator Maggie Hassan this fall.

wooliedyed

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

The county of Walpole and Nelson, England's second city. Heaven on Earth

jamesdoyle

boulay said:

paulyork64 said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Duke of Norfolk lives in Sussex. Duke of Devonshire lives in Derbyshire. Duke of Cambridge/Cornwall lives in neither. Do any of them live where they are Duke of?

Didn’t we establish on last thread that the dual Dukes of Hazard live in Hazard County?

Not sure about them, but the Dukes of Hazzard lived in Hazzard County.

paulyork64

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

Norfolk was the power base of Mary Tudor before she returned to London to sort out Lady Jane Grey.

Jonathan

wooliedyed said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

The county of Walpole and Nelson, England's second city. Heaven on Earth

Norfolk used to be important.

Carnyx

Omnium said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

kle4 said:

Have they used the coffin to cover up the plaque about the trial of Charles I. Might be a discordant note for the occasion otherwise.

FYI (also BTW) the Queen's reception room (or whatever they call it) in the House of Lords section of the Palace of Westminster, features a copy of the death warrant of Charles I.

A rather pointed reminder to the Sovereign, believe that's the point.

So is the statue of Olly Cromwell, the best head of state we ever had.

He was so awesome only someone descended from him could replace him.

I think you'd be very dead if you called him Olly.

Quite right, he was called Noll.

MISTY

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The World at War is surely the best piece of English narration ever.

Omnium

paulyork64 said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

Norfolk was the power base of Mary Tudor before she returned to London to sort out Lady Jane Grey.

Come along. The beer wins!

wooliedyed

Jonathan said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

That's a fact impossible to overlook, Sussex is where the wiser people from Norfolk escape. The best county by far.

We come to colonize. Norwich by the Downs

Carnyx

That DCMS queuing Youtube movie has the most horrendous visual design complete with flashing light. queasymaking barber pole effect and a weird fade and rotate for the royal crown/cipher. You'd think they were trying to put folk off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY

wooliedyed

paulyork64 said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

Norfolk was the power base of Mary Tudor before she returned to London to sort out Lady Jane Grey.

I used to live alongside a road along which on stormy nights the headless Boleyn would be driven past in catrriage by four hell horses. Terrifying.

OldKingCole

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

East Anglia, or at least Suffolk, provided the chap who was England's patron saint before the foreigner George was selected by Richard. Richard himself almost never lived in England.

kle4

Jonathan said:

wooliedyed said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

The county of Walpole and Nelson, England's second city. Heaven on Earth

Norfolk used to be important.

Hey, it's more than most places get.

ohnotnow

The BBC are going to 'live stream' the Queen lying in state : https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62900500

Omnium

wooliedyed said:

Jonathan said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

That's a fact impossible to overlook, Sussex is where the wiser people from Norfolk escape. The best county by far.

We come to colonize. Norwich by the Downs

The success of London then - provisioning the endless caravans of war between Norfolk and Sussex that all ran out of supplies along the way.

Carnyx

kle4 said:

Jonathan said:

wooliedyed said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

The county of Walpole and Nelson, England's second city. Heaven on Earth

Norfolk used to be important.

Hey, it's more than most places get.

Certainly in the ability to count natrually to base 12.

state_go_away

MISTY said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The World at War is surely the best piece of English narration ever.

That or the Ascent of Man

IshmaelZ

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

Cakes? Spiders was Rob da Bruce

Mexicanpete

state_go_away said:

Norfolk and Chance is of course the finest legal firm in East Anglia

"Doolittle and Dalley" are the best estate agents in Kidderminster.

Carnyx

IshmaelZ said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

Cakes? Spiders was Rob da Bruce

Cakes is Somerset - somewhere in the Levels, Brent or Athelney or something.

SeaShantyIrish2

With respect to Ukraine, am surprised that the Prime Minister is NOT making hay out of recent Putinist rout on Kharkiv front? Especially given British contribution AND fact that she was Foreign Secretary who confronted (or at least out-hatted) Mad Vlad in his own lair on the eve of Russian (last) invasion?

Would seem to be easy way of showing that she is NOT just a minor extra bit player in the moving (in more ways than one) national (un-woke) wake for the late QEII.

GIN1138

That was an incredible spectacle and very intense. Makes you wonder what the funeral will be like on Monday.

Omnium

state_go_away said:

MISTY said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The World at War is surely the best piece of English narration ever.

That or the Ascent of Man

Bronowski is awesome, but he does rather send me to sleep.Getting to the point isn't his strongest suit.

Mexicanpete

ohnotnow said:

The BBC are going to 'live stream' the Queen lying in state : https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62900500

...and we complain about the cost of our licence fee?

Cyclefree

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The other piece of news is that, apparently, the details of the energy bills help for businesses has not yet been worked out and it could be November before details are released. Which will be too late for many.

Not. Good. Enough.

OldKingCole

GIN1138 said:

That was an incredible spectacle and very intense. Makes you wonder what the funeral will be like on Monday.

Raining!

TheScreamingEagles

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The other piece of news is that, apparently, the details of the energy bills help for businesses has not yet been worked out and it could be November before details are released. Which will be too late for many.

Not. Good. Enough.

Liz Truss, just not good enough.

Our office closedown starts next month.

JosiasJessop

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

With respect to Ukraine, am surprised that the Prime Minister is NOT making hay out of recent Putinist rout on Kharkiv front? Especially given British contribution AND fact that she was Foreign Secretary who confronted (or at least out-hatted) Mad Vlad in his own lair on the eve of Russian (last) invasion?

Would seem to be easy way of showing that she is NOT just a minor extra bit player in the moving (in more ways than one) national (un-woke) wake for the late QEII.

It's early days, and reverses can happen. Ukraine have captured a large area of territory, but they haven't yet knocked Russia out of the war. Claiming victory now might come back and bite her. It's a time for the government to be "cautiously optimistic" and proud of our help to a new-found friend.

williamglenn

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

With respect to Ukraine, am surprised that the Prime Minister is NOT making hay out of recent Putinist rout on Kharkiv front? Especially given British contribution AND fact that she was Foreign Secretary who confronted (or at least out-hatted) Mad Vlad in his own lair on the eve of Russian (last) invasion?

Would seem to be easy way of showing that she is NOT just a minor extra bit player in the moving (in more ways than one) national (un-woke) wake for the late QEII.

In what way could she make a political intervention in the current context? It would be inappropriate.

paulyork64

Mexicanpete said:

state_go_away said:

Norfolk and Chance is of course the finest legal firm in East Anglia

"Doolittle and Dalley" are the best estate agents in Kidderminster.

sounds more like an ITV police comedy/drama.

noneoftheabove

state_go_away said:

Norfolk and Chance is of course the finest legal firm in East Anglia

Their rivals, established when one of the Norfolk brothers left to set up a new firm with a colleague, Norfolk and Way, most strongly disagree.

paulyork64

Mexicanpete said:

ohnotnow said:

The BBC are going to 'live stream' the Queen lying in state : https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62900500

...and we complain about the cost of our licence fee?

live-streaming something from a fixed camera must be pretty low cost these days.

Leon

To return to more important matters, I am having a cortado and a glass of white in Bar Santa Ana, the famous bullfighters’ bar in the old gypsy quarter of Triana, Seville, across the Guadalquivir. It’s a bit like Millwall but with more fried bulls’ cullions and militant Catholicism

Mexicanpete

paulyork64 said:

Mexicanpete said:

state_go_away said:

Norfolk and Chance is of course the finest legal firm in East Anglia

"Doolittle and Dalley" are the best estate agents in Kidderminster.

sounds more like an ITV police comedy/drama.

It is genuine, check it out. Is there a more apt title for an Estate Agents business?

But I see your point.

wooliedyed

OldKingCole said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

East Anglia, or at least Suffolk, provided the chap who was England's patron saint before the foreigner George was selected by Richard. Richard himself almost never lived in England.

Not necessarily Suffolk. He was merely buried there, near the battle site (likely Hoxne, on the Norfolk Suffolk border)
He'd probably have ruled from Elmham in Norfolk, possibly Dunwich which is Suffolk

wooliedyed

Any more Norfolk doubting and i shall begin posting a series of traditional Norfolk recipes

DecrepiterJohnL

Carnyx said:

That DCMS queuing Youtube movie has the most horrendous visual design complete with flashing light. queasymaking barber pole effect and a weird fade and rotate for the royal crown/cipher. You'd think they were trying to put folk off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY

"The queue is currently approx 2.5 miles long". A nice mix of 2.5 for the metric martyrs and miles for the imperial pedants, but why the abbreviation "approx" rather than the whole word "about"? (The landmark and w3w change frequently.)

Omnium

IshmaelZ said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

Cakes? Spiders was Rob da Bruce

A mere technicality.

paulyork64

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The other piece of news is that, apparently, the details of the energy bills help for businesses has not yet been worked out and it could be November before details are released. Which will be too late for many.

Not. Good. Enough.

Truss got to where she was by photocopying trade deals. nothing to copy here so we wait.

jamesdoyle

state_go_away said:

MISTY said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The World at War is surely the best piece of English narration ever.

That or the Ascent of Man

Anything by James Burke - Connections in particular.

paulyork64

wooliedyed said:

Any more Norfolk doubting and i shall begin posting a series of traditional Norfolk recipes

do they all have turkey in them?

wooliedyed

Carnyx said:

IshmaelZ said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

Cakes? Spiders was Rob da Bruce

Cakes is Somerset - somewhere in the Levels, Brent or Athelney or something.

Yes where he ran away to like a typical Wessex yellow belly and burnt some poor housewifes muffins

Mexicanpete

paulyork64 said:

Mexicanpete said:

ohnotnow said:

The BBC are going to 'live stream' the Queen lying in state : https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62900500

...and we complain about the cost of our licence fee?

live-streaming something from a fixed camera must be pretty low cost these days.

The 30 or so top self-employed perepetetic journos they have covering the event- not so much.

paulyork64

Mexicanpete said:

paulyork64 said:

Mexicanpete said:

state_go_away said:

Norfolk and Chance is of course the finest legal firm in East Anglia

"Doolittle and Dalley" are the best estate agents in Kidderminster.

sounds more like an ITV police comedy/drama.

It is genuine, check it out. Is there a more apt title for an Estate Agents business?

But I see your point.

ah right. i assumed it was a joke. nice one.

TOPPING

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

rcs1000

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

NH Primary 2022 - Republican for US Senate, to run against Democratic incumbent Sen. Maggie Hassan

Updated 6m ago
89% REPORTED
Donald Bolduc
49,944 37.0%
Chuck Morse
48,526 36.0%
Kevin Smith
15,801 11.7%
Total reported
134,947

Still too close to call (at least AP has yet to call it) but suspect that MAGA maniac Gen. Bolduc will prevail in the end; NOT in the general election however.

BTW, that noted Wokeist, RINO and New Hampster Corey Lewandowski pointedly urged his former boss (guess who?) NOT to endorse the General, on grounds that his nomination would ensure re-election of Sen Hassan in this key battleground for control of the US Senate.

EDIT, this just in - NYT -Live Updates: With Concession, New Hampshire Is Set to Add Another Election Denier to Ballot

Don Bolduc’s top rival conceded in the Republican Senate primary in New Hampshire, leaving some Republicans worried about a weak nominee against Senator Maggie Hassan this fall.

I have three basic principles I apply to polls:

(1) The Republicans tend to be slightly understated. I like to add 10-20% of the undecided total to them. (It's a little spiral of silence adjustment I make.)

(2) Incumbents (unless very unpopular) tend to slightly outperform polls. Undecideds go with the devil they know. I therefore like to add 10-20% of the undecided total to them.

This means that some places that look close - like Florida - aren't really.

It also means that Georgia and Nevada are extremely close. (Pennsylvania, by contrast, is not.)

OldKingCole

wooliedyed said:

OldKingCole said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

East Anglia, or at least Suffolk, provided the chap who was England's patron saint before the foreigner George was selected by Richard. Richard himself almost never lived in England.

Not necessarily Suffolk. He was merely buried there, near the battle site (likely Hoxne, on the Norfolk Suffolk border)
He'd probably have ruled from Elmham in Norfolk, possibly Dunwich which is Suffolk

His coronation was on the north side of the river Stour, near Bures.

Leon

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

CarlottaVance

In the Mermaids vs Charity Commission/LGBA case, I’m not sure Jolyon’s thought this through:

Summing up the argument, Jo Maugham, director of Good Law Project, told PinkNews: "As every law student knows, if you make a four pronged instrument for manual digging you’ve made a fork, however much you insist you’ve made a spade."
9/14

https://twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1569998491660713986

What if it self-ids as a spade?

paulyork64

Mexicanpete said:

paulyork64 said:

Mexicanpete said:

ohnotnow said:

The BBC are going to 'live stream' the Queen lying in state : https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62900500

...and we complain about the cost of our licence fee?

live-streaming something from a fixed camera must be pretty low cost these days.

The 30 or so top self-employed perepetetic journos they have covering the event- not so much.

If Sky covered it they would have a counter of how many people had walked past, and a countdown clock bottom right showing how long left of the lying in state window to hundredths of a second.

wooliedyed

paulyork64 said:

wooliedyed said:

Any more Norfolk doubting and i shall begin posting a series of traditional Norfolk recipes

do they all have turkey in them?

No indeed. Plenty of bloater recipes, a traditional dinner for Plough Monday, some rector's syllabub, nom nom nom
And, of course, proper dumplings that both sink and swim

Omnium

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

It's a dead person in a box though. All funerals baffle me.

TheScreamingEagles

wooliedyed said:

Any more Norfolk doubting and i shall begin posting a series of traditional Norfolk recipes

These Norfolk recipes, can you count them on the fingers of one hand? Or are there seven or more?

kinabalu

Omnium said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

It's a dead person in a box though. All funerals baffle me.

I'm not going to have one.

ydoethur

CarlottaVance said:

In the Mermaids vs Charity Commission/LGBA case, I’m not sure Jolyon’s thought this through:

Summing up the argument, Jo Maugham, director of Good Law Project, told PinkNews: "As every law student knows, if you make a four pronged instrument for manual digging you’ve made a fork, however much you insist you’ve made a spade."
9/14

https://twitter.com/PinkNews/status/1569998491660713986

What if it self-ids as a spade?

Or indeed, a baseball bat.

CarlottaVance

5,000 Ukrainian troops have completed their training in the United Kingdom.
That’s enough personnel to form a full-fledged brigade.

https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1570015226741035008

kle4

Omnium said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

It's a dead person in a box though. All funerals baffle me.

Its not about them, not really. It's about us, and what we feel about them though.

wooliedyed

OldKingCole said:

wooliedyed said:

OldKingCole said:

Omnium said:

wooliedyed said:

Lovely to see the central role of the Earl Marshal, who we know is the Duke of Norfolk. If we ignore the fact he ponces about living in Arundel, it confirms Norfolk is the most important county of the UK and you must all defer to me and other Norfolk posters due to our seniority.

Isn't there some tale of Alfred the Great and spiders in Norfolk. Other than Greene King it seems there's little to be said since!

East Anglia, or at least Suffolk, provided the chap who was England's patron saint before the foreigner George was selected by Richard. Richard himself almost never lived in England.

Not necessarily Suffolk. He was merely buried there, near the battle site (likely Hoxne, on the Norfolk Suffolk border)
He'd probably have ruled from Elmham in Norfolk, possibly Dunwich which is Suffolk

His coronation was on the north side of the river Stour, near Bures.

Evidence for that is highly debatable. He was crowned by the Bishop of Elmham in 'burva' is all we know

Leon

I bet they love the Queen in this place

Proper royalty, the church Militant, and a lust for bloodsports

The West is BACK

FrankBooth

The weather is proving remarkably good for all this even if we're going to need rain at some point.

TheScreamingEagles

MISTY said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The World at War is surely the best piece of English narration ever.

No, this from Brian Blessed is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP11L9jRW94

OldKingCole

kinabalu said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

It's a dead person in a box though. All funerals baffle me.

I'm not going to have one.

The funeral is not for you though; it's to allow your nearest and dearest to mourn.

One of my cousins didn't want to have a big funeral, and we were discouraged from going. I've always felt sad about it.

Omnium

kinabalu said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

It's a dead person in a box though. All funerals baffle me.

I'm not going to have one.

Nor will I. I do rather like tombstones though.

ydoethur

Leon said:

I bet they love the Queen in this place

Proper royalty, the church Militant, and a lust for bloodsports

The West is BACK

Just under 50% of this post was a lot of bull.

Leon is making progress, but not quite there yet.

Mexicanpete

kinabalu said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

It's a dead person in a box though. All funerals baffle me.

I'm not going to have one.

Don't worry we'll have a whip 'round.

Leon

Omnium said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

It's a dead person in a box though. All funerals baffle me.

I’m gonna have a wild guess and say you’re an atheist as well

Omnium

Leon said:

Omnium said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

It's a dead person in a box though. All funerals baffle me.

I’m gonna have a wild guess and say you’re an atheist as well

Tick

wooliedyed

TheScreamingEagles said:

wooliedyed said:

Any more Norfolk doubting and i shall begin posting a series of traditional Norfolk recipes

These Norfolk recipes, can you count them on the fingers of one hand? Or are there seven or more?

Im not sure, but we eat them out of the stolen diamond plimsoles of vanquished Eagles

Mexicanpete

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

Wherever you stand, you'll need your binoculars to see from Seville.

Icarus

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The other piece of news is that, apparently, the details of the energy bills help for businesses has not yet been worked out and it could be November before details are released. Which will be too late for many.

Not. Good. Enough.

The energy bills for consumers are not clear either. The night rate for electricity is currently about 17p per kWh- If the cap is 34p per kWh and companies lift it to 34p - then consumers with economy 7 and similar plans will be facing a massive increase. On the other hand if they keep the night rate low at say 20p, then the increase in the day rate from the current 32.5p to 34p would suggest that we should all move to a cheaper night rate.

IshmaelZ

DecrepiterJohnL said:

Carnyx said:

That DCMS queuing Youtube movie has the most horrendous visual design complete with flashing light. queasymaking barber pole effect and a weird fade and rotate for the royal crown/cipher. You'd think they were trying to put folk off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpZuGxSgZY

"The queue is currently approx 2.5 miles long". A nice mix of 2.5 for the metric martyrs and miles for the imperial pedants, but why the abbreviation "approx" rather than the whole word "about"? (The landmark and w3w change frequently.)

And they'll all go to cost.flip.idea in New York

TOPPING

Omnium said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

It's a dead person in a box though. All funerals baffle me.

Kidding, right? This is the Queen of England. It is if absolutely nothing else it is a momentous historical pageant and spectacle. Whatever you think about Monarchy you will see this country doing something it has done for hundreds of years, has not done for 70-odd years and will not do again for a decade or two.

Does it represent all that is good or bad with the country? Fuck knows but it is an "I was there" moment.

OldKingCole

Mexicanpete said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Bloody hell. BLOODY HELL.

Just got stuck behind King's Tp, RHA as they trit-trotted back to their boxes (sadly no longer at St. John's Wood), with their gun carriages and every bit of kit gleaming in the sun on the Marylebone Road and....

....I really wanted to go to the funeral. It will be absolutely stunning. I just saw the tiniest part of the ceremonials and they had done their bit and were on their way home. It is obvious that Monday will be immense.

Fuck knows what it means or whether it is therefore good or bad to be a Brit but it will be extraordinary.

It will. We are giving her a proper send off. As befits

I can’t work out where to stand to watch

You'll need your binoculars from Seville.

Posting on behalf of one of his Alter Egos!

ydoethur

Icarus said:

Cyclefree said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

The really sad thing about the Queen’s death is the lack of global coverage of the absolute beating Ukraine 🇺🇦 are giving the Russians.

This is huge, it feels only Sir Laurence Olivier should commentate on it.

The other piece of news is that, apparently, the details of the energy bills help for businesses has not yet been worked out and it could be November before details are released. Which will be too late for many.

Not. Good. Enough.

The energy bills for consumers are not clear either. The night rate for electricity is currently about 17p per kWh- If the cap is 34p per kWh and companies lift it to 34p - then consumers with economy 7 and similar plans will be facing a massive increase. On the other hand if they keep the night rate low at say 20p, then the increase in the day rate from the current 32.5p to 34p would suggest that we should all move to a cheaper night rate.

Are the two of you suggesting Truss doesn't know what she's doing?

I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

Who could possibly have expected that from her previous career of calamity and ineptitude?