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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    - “… comes amid speculation that Truss could be tempted to capitalise on the upswing and call a snap general election.“

    I am of the firm conviction that a snap GE is her only chance.

    Year of next UK GE:

    2022 16/1
    2023 5/1
    2024 or later 2/7

    2022 has got to be worth fifty quid at that preposterously generous price?

    Speculation encouraged by Labour in the hope that like the inexperienced and badly advised Brown she will go along with it and then look like a bottler, or go ahead and actually hold one and lose it.
    Yeah, it's pretty transparent, isn't it? No woder people who want Sir Keir in Number Ten ASAP, like Dickson, are ramping it.
    Yeah, that’s me: ginormous Sir Keir ramper 😄

    You can't honestly deny that you want Sir Keir to replace whichever-Tory in Number Ten ASAP, can you?
    Talking of which, how are you on Truss plays Starmer "Charisma Theorum"?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,094

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    2h
    Strong rains in Switzerland have ended (for now) the Rhine river barge crisis, with the water gauge at the chokepoint of Kaub back above 1 meter (from a low of 30 cms on Aug 15). The Kaub gauge should top 1.5 meters by tomorrow-Wednesday
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 3,201

    HYUFD said:

    Criminal barristers vote to go on indefinite strike from next month

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    They came bottom of the 'public support for strikes' table so i'd expect the govt to take the hardlineiest hardline with them
    People can now try and experience a criminal justice system with no barristers. Obviously they work for the prosecution, as well as defence.
    Ultimately, there is a societal reckoning due for society regarding its thinking on the question of justice.
    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.
    It is a bit like Human Rights, people like to think they only benefit terrorists, etc; but whenever there is a question of a vegetative child being resucitated or of some form of police brutality; they 'discover' that of course they do want human rights.
    It just all goes down to whether you want to keep the current criminal justice system or not.
    You can't have a criminal justice system that pays highly specialist and educated participants, with massive levels of responsibility, less than the minimum wage with no job security. It was always going to eventually fail and this is the moment.
    In the end this problem has been made worse by Johnson and his casual 'lefty lawyer' slurs, just blame the blob, cut it to the bone and beyond, whatever and ever.
    Eventually the chickens come home to roost.
    You want to create a new justice system with no barristers; well good luck with that.




  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,977

    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Price cap £6,000 by April. Who on earth can afford that.

    Conservative voters in the shires? ;)
    Quite a lot of whom, of course, will not have gas and will use oil, coal or wood fired central heating.
    "Throw another LibDem on the fire, Jeeves."
    Beach at Blandings Castle, surely. Jeeves buttled in a flat in central London which I'm sure was centrally heated.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    2h
    Strong rains in Switzerland have ended (for now) the Rhine river barge crisis, with the water gauge at the chokepoint of Kaub back above 1 meter (from a low of 30 cms on Aug 15). The Kaub gauge should top 1.5 meters by tomorrow-Wednesday

    I presume that will be up like a rocket and down like a stick though unless there's more rain?
  • ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,243

    Citi predicts UK inflation to hit 18%

    It's just a flesh wound!
    What're you going to do, bleed on me?
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 755

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    At least Stuart has been honest enough to admit he doesn't want a Labour government. Hardcore Scot Nats much prefer incompetent, English Nationalist Tories running the show.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,522

    Nigelb said:

    Welcome back, @MoonRabbit .

    Thanks.

    I’m back! Like an over excited sewage pipe splurging all over the PB family beach. 😇
    What happened? Were you on holiday?
    Banned yes, but it was clearly my own fault - for a brief moment I turned the leadership race into a lewdership race with my saucy postcard sense of humour - so had long conversation with myself about repeated bans for same over sexed thing to put improvements in place before approaching the admins again, as this is premier betting site not Reddit I told myself that is right thing to do.

    went racing at York and Cyclefree later actually posted the amazing race I had won on, but that made me really yearn to be a PBer again and respond to posts 😭

    So I’m back for ever, I ain’t getting myself banned again. I want to be able to like posts and respond to them. All three ban have been related with too unnecessary and saucy pictures. So no sexy pictures from me, and I pause for thought before each posting, so no ban.
    Well, saucy postcards or not, good to have you back :)
    It was a photo shopped upskirt of Liz showing her kegs as she entered number 10 actually - but if it was a drawing like a saucy postcode or cartoon in paper it probably wouldn’t’ take have been a ban.

    Even Sometimes I might not have been banned but my picture posts still went wrong I now suspect in my reflection. The night before my ban the question asked what is Putin’s deepest darkest fear in room 101, I posted a picture of Daria Kasatkina and Natalia Zabiiako together - if you understood it was them it’s actually a sharp satirical answer to what Putin finds in room 101? but thinking about it I now appreciate, if you didn’t know that, it just looks weird nonsense picture and way off topic, in this way my jokes using pictures humour might often gone wrong often even without me banned.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703
    darkage said:

    HYUFD said:

    Criminal barristers vote to go on indefinite strike from next month

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    They came bottom of the 'public support for strikes' table so i'd expect the govt to take the hardlineiest hardline with them
    People can now try and experience a criminal justice system with no barristers. Obviously they work for the prosecution, as well as defence.
    Ultimately, there is a societal reckoning due for society regarding its thinking on the question of justice.
    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.
    It is a bit like Human Rights, people like to think they only benefit terrorists, etc; but whenever there is a question of a vegetative child being resucitated or of some form of police brutality; they 'discover' that of course they do want human rights.
    It just all goes down to whether you want to keep the current criminal justice system or not.
    You can't have a criminal justice system that pays highly specialist and educated participants, with massive levels of responsibility, less than the minimum wage with no job security. It was always going to eventually fail and this is the moment.
    In the end this problem has been made worse by Johnson and his casual 'lefty lawyer' slurs, just blame the blob, cut it to the bone and beyond, whatever and ever.
    Eventually the chickens come home to roost.
    You want to create a new justice system with no barristers; well good luck with that.
    I always thought trial by combat was a much underrated system.

    Well, we may be about to find out...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,734
    Barristers rejecting 15%. No justice it is then.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,233
    darkage said:

    HYUFD said:

    Criminal barristers vote to go on indefinite strike from next month

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    They came bottom of the 'public support for strikes' table so i'd expect the govt to take the hardlineiest hardline with them
    People can now try and experience a criminal justice system with no barristers. Obviously they work for the prosecution, as well as defence.
    Ultimately, there is a societal reckoning due for society regarding its thinking on the question of justice.
    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.
    It is a bit like Human Rights, people like to think they only benefit terrorists, etc; but whenever there is a question of a vegetative child being resucitated or of some form of police brutality; they 'discover' that of course they do want human rights.
    It just all goes down to whether you want to keep the current criminal justice system or not.
    You can't have a criminal justice system that pays highly specialist and educated participants, with massive levels of responsibility, less than the minimum wage with no job security. It was always going to eventually fail and this is the moment.
    In the end this problem has been made worse by Johnson and his casual 'lefty lawyer' slurs, just blame the blob, cut it to the bone and beyond, whatever and ever.
    Eventually the chickens come home to roost.
    You want to create a new justice system with no barristers; well good luck with that.




    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.

    See also Free Movement of Labour.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,243

    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Price cap £6,000 by April. Who on earth can afford that.

    Conservative voters in the shires? ;)
    Quite a lot of whom, of course, will not have gas and will use oil, coal or wood fired central heating.
    "Throw another LibDem on the fire, Jeeves."
    We need a PG of our times. Contemporary English society needs to be illustrated in all its unintentionally comic richness.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 19,564
    On Topic a 10% bounce only brings Tories somewhere near a tiny lead and cant see it being anything other than temporary under Truss

    Sadly Sir Lie alot likely to lead biggest Party without a handbrake turn from Truss
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,094
    Buy candles now...


    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    ·
    4m
    Boris Johnson's spox rejects reports that there will power blackouts this winter due to energy shortages.

    She says that households will make their own minds up about how much energy to use, adding: "People should be confident they will have the electricity and gas they need."

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,522

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    At least Stuart has been honest enough to admit he doesn't want a Labour government. Hardcore Scot Nats much prefer incompetent, English Nationalist Tories running the show.
    Dicky at least has a better avatar than last time I posted here. 🙂
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703

    On Topic a 10% bounce only brings Tories somewhere near a tiny lead and cant see it being anything other than temporary under Truss

    Sadly Sir Lie alot likely to lead biggest Party without a handbrake turn from Truss

    I would have thought even if she withdrew now it would be Sunak not Sir Lie alot to take over.

    Oh, sorry, were you not thinking about your beloved Johnson?
  • Is Moon Rabbit going to admit to being a Tory now
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703

    darkage said:

    HYUFD said:

    Criminal barristers vote to go on indefinite strike from next month

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    They came bottom of the 'public support for strikes' table so i'd expect the govt to take the hardlineiest hardline with them
    People can now try and experience a criminal justice system with no barristers. Obviously they work for the prosecution, as well as defence.
    Ultimately, there is a societal reckoning due for society regarding its thinking on the question of justice.
    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.
    It is a bit like Human Rights, people like to think they only benefit terrorists, etc; but whenever there is a question of a vegetative child being resucitated or of some form of police brutality; they 'discover' that of course they do want human rights.
    It just all goes down to whether you want to keep the current criminal justice system or not.
    You can't have a criminal justice system that pays highly specialist and educated participants, with massive levels of responsibility, less than the minimum wage with no job security. It was always going to eventually fail and this is the moment.
    In the end this problem has been made worse by Johnson and his casual 'lefty lawyer' slurs, just blame the blob, cut it to the bone and beyond, whatever and ever.
    Eventually the chickens come home to roost.
    You want to create a new justice system with no barristers; well good luck with that.




    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.

    See also Free Movement of Labour.
    We badly need free movement of Labour if we're to save our economy.

    From Opposition to Government...
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,233

    On Topic a 10% bounce only brings Tories somewhere near a tiny lead and cant see it being anything other than temporary under Truss

    Sadly Sir Lie alot likely to lead biggest Party without a handbrake turn from Truss

    Or to put it another way: SKSICIPM
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482
    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Price cap £6,000 by April. Who on earth can afford that.

    Conservative voters in the shires? ;)
    The BBC's head of diversity - hir (not sure of the preferred pronouns) salary is £250,000 part time, £445,000 on a full time basis.
    Blimey, I thought that was just a comedy contruct for "W1a".

    Sign me up for Liz Truss's culture wars now!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,345
    Pulpstar said:

    Barristers rejecting 15%. No justice it is then.

    Have a feeling the bosses at Merseyrail, and others, will be smugly satisfied at having "caved" to a 7% settlement some weeks ago.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 1,519
    edited August 22


    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    2h
    Strong rains in Switzerland have ended (for now) the Rhine river barge crisis, with the water gauge at the chokepoint of Kaub back above 1 meter (from a low of 30 cms on Aug 15). The Kaub gauge should top 1.5 meters by tomorrow-Wednesday

    I can attest to the rains in Switzerland as I was on holiday there last week. We were lucky that in the early part of the week the rains fell mainly at night and we had good days including a lovely 30c day on a boat on the Brienzersee along with swimming in it!


    We ended up coming home a day early as it was due to torrential downpour all day Friday. The first part of the journey home through Switzerland to Germany early on Friday morning was very tricky due to the intensity of the rain. Here's a photo of one of the "atmospheric" evenings when the skies were about to open.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,977
    edited August 22

    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived

    Did you see the others, though?

    This was the runner-up:

    Did you know, if you get pregnant in the Amazon, it’s next day delivery? – Mark Simmons

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2022/aug/22/pasta-one-liner-wins-masai-graham-best-joke-award-at-edinburgh-festival-fringe
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 755

    On Topic a 10% bounce only brings Tories somewhere near a tiny lead and cant see it being anything other than temporary under Truss

    Sadly Sir Lie alot likely to lead biggest Party without a handbrake turn from Truss

    I can only imagine you're so desperate SKS to lose because you hope Burgon, Sultana or some other Corbynite duffer will succeed him. Sorry, but that ain't happening.
  • theakestheakes Posts: 675
    I think this occasion is going to be the exception. She carries a lot of baggage which will hold her back. She is a poor debater, too shrill and shifts from one stance to another. She may pick up a point or two but will not change the general narrative either on accession or later.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    On Topic a 10% bounce only brings Tories somewhere near a tiny lead and cant see it being anything other than temporary under Truss

    Sadly Sir Lie alot likely to lead biggest Party without a handbrake turn from Truss

    Nah, if she bounces to 41 to 42%ish, Labour will be on lowish 30s. And she'd be getting the odd 44 or 45 on a 10% bounce. She wont get that bounce though and Lab will indeed be biggest party imo
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,207
    edited August 22
    Fucking Hell. Gas up to 560GBp per therm, up 21.5% today.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/uk-natural-gas

    "UK natural gas futures were trading around the 550-pence-a-them mark, a level not seen since their March peak, underpinned by prospects of further supply disruptions and elevated demand from the EU. Russia's Gazprom said it would cut flows through the Nord Stream pipeline to Germany for three days of maintenance at the end of August, exacerbating concerns about supplies and raising the risk of a recession in Europe if Russia's natural gas squeeze widens. The state-owned energy company Gazprom has already reduced flows through the Nord Stream pipeline to roughly 20% of its capacity, citing issues with turbines. On top of that, a historic drought triggered by an arid summer that set heat records across Europe threatens to halt energy shipments along the Rhine River, exacerbating concerns in an already tight market."

    Thank God our new PM comes to power offering hope, not handouts, and NI cuts for the wealthy and tax cuts for big business.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,116

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,243

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    I annoy you. So that’s something.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 19,564
    ydoethur said:

    On Topic a 10% bounce only brings Tories somewhere near a tiny lead and cant see it being anything other than temporary under Truss

    Sadly Sir Lie alot likely to lead biggest Party without a handbrake turn from Truss

    I would have thought even if she withdrew now it would be Sunak not Sir Lie alot to take over.

    Oh, sorry, were you not thinking about your beloved Johnson?
    SKS is Boris with less charisma and levelling up policies but the same level of integrity and ability to tell the truth IMO
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,522

    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived

    The runners up were way better

    My attempts to combine nitrous oxide and Oxo cubes made me a laughing stock 🙂
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 6,864
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Price cap £6,000 by April. Who on earth can afford that.

    Conservative voters in the shires? ;)
    Quite a lot of whom, of course, will not have gas and will use oil, coal or wood fired central heating.
    "Throw another LibDem on the fire, Jeeves."
    Beach at Blandings Castle, surely. Jeeves buttled in a flat in central London which I'm sure was centrally heated.
    The job of keeping the seasoned and dried LibDems burning on the fire was surely not one that fell within the purview of a butler, far less ones as magisterial as Jeeves and Beach.

    The housemaids, before emptying the chamber pots of dripping wet LibDems, no doubt attended to the lighting of the fires so all was warm and toasty before Sir Boris and family got up.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703
    Carnyx said:

    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived

    Did you see the others, though?

    This was the runner-up:

    Did you know, if you get pregnant in the Amazon, it’s next day delivery? – Mark Simmons

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2022/aug/22/pasta-one-liner-wins-masai-graham-best-joke-award-at-edinburgh-festival-fringe
    Oh good grief. At least the winner you could see how a decent joke could be made of it with a bit of work, turning it into a Ronnie Corbett style so bad it's good monologue.

    We should put a PB team in. Me, Ishmael, Sunil and a couple of others could own that place.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,345
    Carnyx said:

    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived

    Did you see the others, though?

    This was the runner-up:

    Did you know, if you get pregnant in the Amazon, it’s next day delivery? – Mark Simmons

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2022/aug/22/pasta-one-liner-wins-masai-graham-best-joke-award-at-edinburgh-festival-fringe
    No laughing matter.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    Pulpstar said:

    Barristers rejecting 15%. No justice it is then.

    Greed is back. Its the law
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 30,107
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:



    One of few things that Trump was right about, was that the US and UK were the only countries pulling their weight in NATO, and that everyone else needed to meet the 2% defence spending target - especially the Germans.

    Poland, Greece, Slovakia and all of the Baltics spend more than 2%.

    The UK cheats by counting pension payments (including mine) toward defence spending.

    In the Woodward books, the veracity of which have never been challenged, Trump comes across as absolutely obsessed with eliminating US defence commitements abroad. He was only prevented from withdrawing 30,000 troops from South Korea by Gary Cohn taking the paperwork off his desk before he could sign it.

    In his next term when he goes full "Dark MAGA" there are going to be far fewer constraints on his caprice.
    IIRC, under the coalition, the move to including pensions in defence spending was as move to a common NATO definition of defence spending.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,989

    Citi predicts UK inflation to hit 18%

    Bye Liz

    Not sure the Queen will have to go
    Her Maj is safe, but at what inflation rate does King Charles get kicked out?

    18%?
    28%?
    38%?
    None as the government and private sector impacts on the inflation rate not the constitutional monarch
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    Carnyx said:

    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived

    Did you see the others, though?

    This was the runner-up:

    Did you know, if you get pregnant in the Amazon, it’s next day delivery? – Mark Simmons

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2022/aug/22/pasta-one-liner-wins-masai-graham-best-joke-award-at-edinburgh-festival-fringe
    How very drole. Morons.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,880
    LOL!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1561651568235143169

    Maybe we are being too hard on russian tourists… Sometimes they can be really helpful. Like this man taking pictures at russian air defense positions near Yevpatoria, in occupied Crimea. Thank you and keep up the good work!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,977

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Price cap £6,000 by April. Who on earth can afford that.

    Conservative voters in the shires? ;)
    Quite a lot of whom, of course, will not have gas and will use oil, coal or wood fired central heating.
    "Throw another LibDem on the fire, Jeeves."
    Beach at Blandings Castle, surely. Jeeves buttled in a flat in central London which I'm sure was centrally heated.
    The job of keeping the seasoned and dried LibDems burning on the fire was surely not one that fell within the purview of a butler, far less ones as magisterial as Jeeves and Beach.

    The housemaids, before emptying the chamber pots of dripping wet LibDems, no doubt attended to the lighting of the fires so all was warm and toasty before Sir Boris and family got up.
    Of course, yes, though perhaps under the housekeeper.
  • Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703

    ydoethur said:

    On Topic a 10% bounce only brings Tories somewhere near a tiny lead and cant see it being anything other than temporary under Truss

    Sadly Sir Lie alot likely to lead biggest Party without a handbrake turn from Truss

    I would have thought even if she withdrew now it would be Sunak not Sir Lie alot to take over.

    Oh, sorry, were you not thinking about your beloved Johnson?
    SKS is Boris with less charisma and levelling up policies but the same level of integrity and ability to tell the truth IMO
    That says a great deal about your opinions, but not much about Starmer.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,243
    Shamed Prince Andrew’s life is being made into a satirical musical comedy by Channel 4

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19576950/prince-andrew-life-musical-comedy-channel-4/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 30,107

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss should get a bounce but it is unlikely to be as big as Major, Brown, May or Johnson got. For starters Truss is the continuity Boris candidate. Major was at least somewhat ideologically different from Thatcher as was Brown from Blair and Johnson from May and indeed even May from Cameron so it seemed more of a change in government. In fact the biggest difference between Truss and Boris is she is more of a tax and spending cutter

    I guess it's possible (although I sense not) that Truss is doing a Starmer - ie she's telling the members what they want to hear in order to get the leadership but once ensconced will change and become something else entirely.
    It's possible - but she is going to have to change an awful lot of what she has promised because what she has promised just isn't possible.

    I note that over the weekend she suggested a review of IR35 - I can point to £70bn reasons why that will never get anywhere...
    TBF - abolishing IR35 might bring in more tax than keeping it. When it was introduced, the tax take went noticeably down and, IIRC, it has barely "broke even" in nearly 20 years.
    I will give you the Treasury argument.

    Employment numbers are reducing as more companies move towards using contingency and freelance workers.
    This is having a significant impact on Employer NI.

    And given the amount of money generated by Employer NI we cannot take the risk that that money will erode away. That literally was the argument used for the changes to IR35 in the public sector (2017) and large firms (2021)..

    Now I wouldn't have a problem if the discussion was about employment (as employment law and employment tax law is a utter mess that doesn't relate in whole sets of places) but it's not that - it's a story about IR35 because Liz thinks she will get some votes out of it...
    The problem is that the IR35 system as it now exists is broken. HMRC were pissed off because they were doing their normal trick of pushing the remit of the legislation way beyond where it should have been and ended up losing large numbers of court cases where they had said contractors should be inside when clearly under their own rules they should have been outside.

    As a result they changed the scheme to take responsibility for deciding who should be inside and who outside away from themselves and the contractor and place it on the end user client. With the threat of massive fines for any company that got it wrong.

    The result is that almost all large companies are now using blanket decisions to put all contractors inside IR35 even those who should not be. It is safer for them and HMRC love it.

    Of course the result is a massive reduction in consultants to the extent now that, in my business, projects are having to be delayed or abandoned because they do not have the skill sets to complete them.

    IR35 can be a sensible system. But it needs to be properly managed and operated and HMRC have shown themselves to be incapable to doing that.
    The problem is that IR35 is lipstick on a pig. The problem comes from NI and a sensible long-term solution to abolish it would be better.
    Too much money in it and no chance that removing it would result in workers receiving big enough pay increases to ensure they aren't worse off.
    That's why I said a long-term solution. It ought to be phased out over time.

    Sunak and Brown have done the opposite though, making the problem worse.
    What is interesting about say, a UBI, is discussing it with a politician.

    They hate the “crudity” of a simple approach. They adore lots of edge cases and the laws get longer and longer.

    I remember one MP being aghast, when I explained UBI - at the vast amount of administration that would be axed….
  • We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    I annoy you. So that’s something.
    You're so irrelevant I couldn't be annoyed by you.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703

    Shamed Prince Andrew’s life is being made into a satirical musical comedy by Channel 4

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19576950/prince-andrew-life-musical-comedy-channel-4/

    That's truly epically tone deaf of them.

    (That was absolutely meant on all levels.)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482
    ydoethur said:

    darkage said:

    HYUFD said:

    Criminal barristers vote to go on indefinite strike from next month

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    They came bottom of the 'public support for strikes' table so i'd expect the govt to take the hardlineiest hardline with them
    People can now try and experience a criminal justice system with no barristers. Obviously they work for the prosecution, as well as defence.
    Ultimately, there is a societal reckoning due for society regarding its thinking on the question of justice.
    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.
    It is a bit like Human Rights, people like to think they only benefit terrorists, etc; but whenever there is a question of a vegetative child being resucitated or of some form of police brutality; they 'discover' that of course they do want human rights.
    It just all goes down to whether you want to keep the current criminal justice system or not.
    You can't have a criminal justice system that pays highly specialist and educated participants, with massive levels of responsibility, less than the minimum wage with no job security. It was always going to eventually fail and this is the moment.
    In the end this problem has been made worse by Johnson and his casual 'lefty lawyer' slurs, just blame the blob, cut it to the bone and beyond, whatever and ever.
    Eventually the chickens come home to roost.
    You want to create a new justice system with no barristers; well good luck with that.




    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.

    See also Free Movement of Labour.
    We badly need free movement of Labour if we're to save our economy.

    From Opposition to Government...
    I had a response from Alun Cairns. I had accused him of opportunism in his switch from Sunak to Truss. Although he claimed them both to be "strong candidates".

    He explained that the change was necessary because Truss was the candidate most likely to save the Union. You can image my lengthy critique in response to his workings out!

    I suggested that if his main aim was to save the Union, a vote for Starmer's Labour Party at the next GE would be more useful than his current vote for Truss.

    I also suggested that with a Conservative victory at the next GE the Union was f*****, so I pointed him in the direction of HYUFD's plan B (military intervention, and beyond).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,307

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Price cap £6,000 by April. Who on earth can afford that.

    Conservative voters in the shires? ;)
    The BBC's head of diversity - hir (not sure of the preferred pronouns) salary is £250,000 part time, £445,000 on a full time basis.
    Blimey, I thought that was just a comedy contruct for "W1a".

    Sign me up for Liz Truss's culture wars now!
    The Telegraph was recently lamenting that ministers attack wokeism and other aspects of life as if they'd not been in government for the past 12 years.
  • If you want to save the Union you should vote Labour. The only party that will actually level up the country
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,977

    Shamed Prince Andrew’s life is being made into a satirical musical comedy by Channel 4

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19576950/prince-andrew-life-musical-comedy-channel-4/

    How curious. Tricky for our PB exponents of Divine Right as to whether to decry this or not.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703

    If you want to save the Union you should vote Labour. The only party that will actually level up the country

    Liz Truss will level the country.

    All of it will be a smoking ruin.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,522
    edited August 22

    Is Moon Rabbit going to admit to being a Tory now

    As you rightly pointed out to them Horse I never praised Johnson or his rubbish cabinet. So how can many posters be wrong about me and what I honestly believe needs explaining. It was obviously frustrating banned as I couldn’t reply.

    To be fair I thought, I could be a bit all over the road to some of you - but I concluded that’s only your own silly fault for assuming all the anti Tory coalition today are the same thing on the same side. They are not, they wouldn’t be passionate about their different parties they are in if they were.

    Let me explain how proper Conservatives can be voting Lib Dem right now. Becuase I have been raised by conservatives not lefty’s, I am just like pure HY in supporting monarchy and Church of England. But there is a big difference between Conservative ideology and right wing populism ideology and it’s people poles apart.

    Right wing Populism pushes the idea of popular sovereignty above the independence of democratic institutions, and the professionalism of the representatives of those institutions, conservatism does not. populism like Trump and Boris are populist opportunism masquerading as values and agenda for government, a crusading ideology pretending it is the voice of all the people, undemocratically deaf to anyone with a different view. They have hi jacked conservatism in UK, and they are trashing it. Instead of listening to criticism from CoE they instinctively attack the CoE, that is not UK conservatism. Likewise their undermining of civil service and attack on all the counterbalances of power - this too is not UK Conservatism.

    Hope that explains how proper Conservatives can be voting Lib Dem right now, as high time to see right wing populism as being the main enemy of UK conservatives now, and oppose it like Liz Cheney opposing the Trump garbage. This explains my Conservative instincts coming across, whilst my enemy is not Tory’s but right wing populism. It also suggests HY is no longer a proper Conservative for sticking with the taken over Conservative party.

    Alternatively maybe I take Christian values far more seriously than my family and others who are still voting Conservative, so ideas like “beware apartheid of the pocket” from Lord David Steel, keeps my vote Lib Dem forever and is my natural home despite how I was socialised 🤷‍♀️ Ancient tribes used to have a first birth into families, and second teenage birth into your tribe. Participating on PB has been my Dithyrambus 🌞
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,207

    Shamed Prince Andrew’s life is being made into a satirical musical comedy by Channel 4

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19576950/prince-andrew-life-musical-comedy-channel-4/

    Mind you there was Sutcliffe, the Musical, on C4. Featuring Marigold Blenny.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 19,564
    CEO pay now 109 times average worker

    Corbyn Policy no Govt contracts where CEO Pay exceeds 20 times

    SKS shrugs
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 21,493

    Buy candles now...


    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    ·
    4m
    Boris Johnson's spox rejects reports that there will power blackouts this winter due to energy shortages.

    She says that households will make their own minds up about how much energy to use, adding: "People should be confident they will have the electricity and gas they need."

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar

    "Simply stop using electricity and we won't have to switch it off for you".

    Vote Conservative.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,094
    Resolution Foundation
    @resfoundation
    ·
    37m
    In summary? There is no escaping the cost-of-living crisis. It will take many months, and much more living standards pain, before inflation starts to ease. The number one priority for the next PM is to offer significant support to help families through a brutal winter and beyond.

    https://twitter.com/resfoundation/status/1561673277604597760
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 11,243

    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived

    The Edinburgh Fringe has been shite since approx 1985.

    One day everyone will notice.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,989
    edited August 22

    Pulpstar said:

    Barristers rejecting 15%. No justice it is then.

    Greed is back. Its the law
    Median salary of a criminal barrister is £79,800 and even over £55,000 after expenses.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    Although in their first year they earn under £20,000 after expenses and do not earn £40,000+ after expenses until at least their third year
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 27,977

    If you want to save the Union you should vote Labour. The only party that will actually level up the country

    Manifesto, happily, available in Screwfix already.

    https://www.screwfix.com/p/no-nonsense-cement-based-levelling-screed-20kg/613kr
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,116

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648

    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived

    The Edinburgh Fringe has been shite since approx 1985.

    One day everyone will notice.

    People telling terrible jokes to almost empty rooms. The Fringe is post apocalyptic comedy. Its what a comedy show '10 years later' would have looked like in Threads
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482

    CEO pay now 109 times average worker

    Corbyn Policy no Govt contracts where CEO Pay exceeds 20 times

    SKS shrugs

    Whereas I don't necessarily disagree with that element of Corbyn's levelling up agenda. Remind me where it got him in 2019.
  • TazTaz Posts: 6,207

    Buy candles now...


    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    ·
    4m
    Boris Johnson's spox rejects reports that there will power blackouts this winter due to energy shortages.

    She says that households will make their own minds up about how much energy to use, adding: "People should be confident they will have the electricity and gas they need."

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar

    "Simply stop using electricity and we won't have to switch it off for you".

    Vote Conservative.
    they still have not grasped the enormity of the shit show heading their way in the next 6 months.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,307

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:



    One of few things that Trump was right about, was that the US and UK were the only countries pulling their weight in NATO, and that everyone else needed to meet the 2% defence spending target - especially the Germans.

    Poland, Greece, Slovakia and all of the Baltics spend more than 2%.

    The UK cheats by counting pension payments (including mine) toward defence spending.

    In the Woodward books, the veracity of which have never been challenged, Trump comes across as absolutely obsessed with eliminating US defence commitements abroad. He was only prevented from withdrawing 30,000 troops from South Korea by Gary Cohn taking the paperwork off his desk before he could sign it.

    In his next term when he goes full "Dark MAGA" there are going to be far fewer constraints on his caprice.
    IIRC, under the coalition, the move to including pensions in defence spending was as move to a common NATO definition of defence spending.
    Of course it was, which is why reported defence spending increased by the pension commitment. Or was it used to cover yet more Tory defence cuts?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,989

    CEO pay now 109 times average worker

    Corbyn Policy no Govt contracts where CEO Pay exceeds 20 times

    SKS shrugs

    So in effect a maximum wage at private companies, not likely to help UK companies attract the best international talent to lead them
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    Shamed Prince Andrew’s life is being made into a satirical musical comedy by Channel 4

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19576950/prince-andrew-life-musical-comedy-channel-4/

    That's truly epically tone deaf of them.

    (That was absolutely meant on all levels.)
    Sure fire winner Shirley? Except that it will have to portray her Maj and will have to be pulled and mothballed for a decade on London Bridge.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,989
    Taz said:

    Buy candles now...


    Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    ·
    4m
    Boris Johnson's spox rejects reports that there will power blackouts this winter due to energy shortages.

    She says that households will make their own minds up about how much energy to use, adding: "People should be confident they will have the electricity and gas they need."

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar

    "Simply stop using electricity and we won't have to switch it off for you".

    Vote Conservative.
    they still have not grasped the enormity of the shit show heading their way in the next 6 months.
    If Labour get in the same shit show would face them unless the Ukraine war is over and sanctions on Russia ended or we have vastly increased domestic food and energy supplies
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 19,564

    CEO pay now 109 times average worker

    Corbyn Policy no Govt contracts where CEO Pay exceeds 20 times

    SKS shrugs

    Whereas I don't necessarily disagree with that element of Corbyn's levelling up agenda. Remind me where it got him in 2019.
    We got BREXIT done Lab had a toxic 2nd Referendum Policy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,083
    .

    CEO pay now 109 times average worker

    Corbyn Policy no Govt contracts where CEO Pay exceeds 20 times...

    And no Corby government, either.

    Corbyn's five years as leader of the opposition were arguably as responsible for where we are now as were the succession of dismal Conservative administrations during the same period.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
    Don't bite Horse!
  • Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,522
    edited August 22

    ydoethur said:

    darkage said:

    HYUFD said:

    Criminal barristers vote to go on indefinite strike from next month

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    They came bottom of the 'public support for strikes' table so i'd expect the govt to take the hardlineiest hardline with them
    People can now try and experience a criminal justice system with no barristers. Obviously they work for the prosecution, as well as defence.
    Ultimately, there is a societal reckoning due for society regarding its thinking on the question of justice.
    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.
    It is a bit like Human Rights, people like to think they only benefit terrorists, etc; but whenever there is a question of a vegetative child being resucitated or of some form of police brutality; they 'discover' that of course they do want human rights.
    It just all goes down to whether you want to keep the current criminal justice system or not.
    You can't have a criminal justice system that pays highly specialist and educated participants, with massive levels of responsibility, less than the minimum wage with no job security. It was always going to eventually fail and this is the moment.
    In the end this problem has been made worse by Johnson and his casual 'lefty lawyer' slurs, just blame the blob, cut it to the bone and beyond, whatever and ever.
    Eventually the chickens come home to roost.
    You want to create a new justice system with no barristers; well good luck with that.




    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.

    See also Free Movement of Labour.
    We badly need free movement of Labour if we're to save our economy.

    From Opposition to Government...
    I had a response from Alun Cairns. I had accused him of opportunism in his switch from Sunak to Truss. Although he claimed them both to be "strong candidates".

    He explained that the change was necessary because Truss was the candidate most likely to save the Union. You can image my lengthy critique in response to his workings out!

    I suggested that if his main aim was to save the Union, a vote for Starmer's Labour Party at the next GE would be more useful than his current vote for Truss.

    I also suggested that with a Conservative victory at the next GE the Union was f*****, so I pointed him in the direction of HYUFD's plan B (military intervention, and beyond).
    To be honest with you, I have been surprise by the strength of feeling from Tory grass roots towards Sturgeon and SNP - revealed to us by this democratic exercise.

    “I supporting Truss as she will kick Sturgeons butt.” Seems to be the gist again and again. The widespread strength of feeling, hatred and anger there has surprised me to be honest. I havn’t really noticed it in the handful of Conservatives I have been around.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,116

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
    Don't bite Horse!
    I wasn't planning on biting anyone, tbh.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,116
    edited August 22

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
    No answer, then? Who am I, and when was I banned?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,482
    ...

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
    Don't bite!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 19,564
    Nigelb said:

    .

    CEO pay now 109 times average worker

    Corbyn Policy no Govt contracts where CEO Pay exceeds 20 times...

    And no Corby government, either.

    Corbyn's five years as leader of the opposition were arguably as responsible for where we are now as were the succession of dismal Conservative administrations during the same period.
    Yes mate course it was.

    #enoughisenough
  • Driver said:

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
    No answer, then? Who am I, and when was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,522
    ydoethur said:

    If you want to save the Union you should vote Labour. The only party that will actually level up the country

    Liz Truss will level the country.

    All of it will be a smoking ruin.
    Rather like minor counties wests cricket season 🤭
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 19,564

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
    No answer, then? Who am I, and when was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
    Who?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 7,816
    Nigelb said:

    .

    CEO pay now 109 times average worker

    Corbyn Policy no Govt contracts where CEO Pay exceeds 20 times...

    And no Corby government, either.

    Corbyn's five years as leader of the opposition were arguably as responsible for where we are now as were the succession of dismal Conservative administrations during the same period.
    They fed off each other, I reckon. All sides looked at the opposition and thought "they're so unelectable that we don't have to try to please the public next time, so we'll just indulge ourselves."

    Lib Dems as much as anyone.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 54,703

    ydoethur said:

    If you want to save the Union you should vote Labour. The only party that will actually level up the country

    Liz Truss will level the country.

    All of it will be a smoking ruin.
    Rather like minor counties wests cricket season 🤭
    Indeed yes.

    Speaking of which, I see the cheating racists (who are probably still going to be force relegated in October) have been busy thieving players from other counties again, and trying to make sure they're not all whiter than an accountant on being showing Liz Truss' tax plans.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,289

    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived

    The runners up were way better

    My attempts to combine nitrous oxide and Oxo cubes made me a laughing stock 🙂
    I once took nitrous oxide and laxatives, just for shits and giggles.
  • The Lib Dems decided to sabotage their own campaign and declare they'd form a majority Government
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 10,381

    A pasta joke has been voted as Dave’s funniest joke of the Edinburgh Fringe.

    Masai Graham was the winner, with the joke:

    "I tried to steal spaghetti from the shop, but the female guard saw me and I couldn't get pasta.

    FFS was this the fringe for 6 year olds?
    Its a shit joke, i mean seriously shit. Having to put in 'female guard' makes it so painfully contrived

    You're being too harsh. Why so critical of a guy telling a fusili jokes?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,083
    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Barristers rejecting 15%. No justice it is then.

    Greed is back. Its the law
    Median salary of a criminal barrister is £79,800 and even over £55,000 after expenses.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    Although in their first year they earn under £20,000 after expenses and do not earn £40,000+ after expenses until at least their third year
    Barristers are not salaried.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,116

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
    No answer, then? Who am I, and when was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
    Who?
    He's just stirring, he's got nothing to back it up and he knows it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,880
    Euro back below parity with US$, on the back of rising energy futures.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,989
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Barristers rejecting 15%. No justice it is then.

    Greed is back. Its the law
    Median salary of a criminal barrister is £79,800 and even over £55,000 after expenses.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    Although in their first year they earn under £20,000 after expenses and do not earn £40,000+ after expenses until at least their third year
    Barristers are not salaried.
    Median earnings/income then
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 8,522
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    If you want to save the Union you should vote Labour. The only party that will actually level up the country

    Liz Truss will level the country.

    All of it will be a smoking ruin.
    Rather like minor counties wests cricket season 🤭
    Indeed yes.

    Speaking of which, I see the cheating racists (who are probably still going to be force relegated in October) have been busy thieving players from other counties again, and trying to make sure they're not all whiter than an accountant on being showing Liz Truss' tax plans.
    I havn’t a clue what you are talking about. 😤
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 104,989

    ydoethur said:

    darkage said:

    HYUFD said:

    Criminal barristers vote to go on indefinite strike from next month

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62629776

    They came bottom of the 'public support for strikes' table so i'd expect the govt to take the hardlineiest hardline with them
    People can now try and experience a criminal justice system with no barristers. Obviously they work for the prosecution, as well as defence.
    Ultimately, there is a societal reckoning due for society regarding its thinking on the question of justice.
    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.
    It is a bit like Human Rights, people like to think they only benefit terrorists, etc; but whenever there is a question of a vegetative child being resucitated or of some form of police brutality; they 'discover' that of course they do want human rights.
    It just all goes down to whether you want to keep the current criminal justice system or not.
    You can't have a criminal justice system that pays highly specialist and educated participants, with massive levels of responsibility, less than the minimum wage with no job security. It was always going to eventually fail and this is the moment.
    In the end this problem has been made worse by Johnson and his casual 'lefty lawyer' slurs, just blame the blob, cut it to the bone and beyond, whatever and ever.
    Eventually the chickens come home to roost.
    You want to create a new justice system with no barristers; well good luck with that.




    It is one of these areas where people think that they don't want something and eventually realise that actually, of course they do want it, after all.

    See also Free Movement of Labour.
    We badly need free movement of Labour if we're to save our economy.

    From Opposition to Government...
    I had a response from Alun Cairns. I had accused him of opportunism in his switch from Sunak to Truss. Although he claimed them both to be "strong candidates".

    He explained that the change was necessary because Truss was the candidate most likely to save the Union. You can image my lengthy critique in response to his workings out!

    I suggested that if his main aim was to save the Union, a vote for Starmer's Labour Party at the next GE would be more useful than his current vote for Truss.

    I also suggested that with a Conservative victory at the next GE the Union was f*****, so I pointed him in the direction of HYUFD's plan B (military intervention, and beyond).
    To be honest with you, I have been surprise by the strength of feeling from Tory grass roots towards Sturgeon and SNP - revealed to us by this democratic exercise.

    “I supporting Truss as she will kick Sturgeons butt.” Seems to be the gist again and again. The widespread strength of feeling, hatred and anger there has surprised me to be honest. I havn’t really noticed it in the handful of Conservatives I have been around.
    Well I certainly hate the SNP more than Labour and the LDs and the feeling is mutual from most SNP to we Tories. Most SNP rhetoric is how awful the Tories are as UK government and in turn we will just continue to refuse indyref2 in power
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 19,564
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    ydoethur said:

    We will see a 20 point lead before the next GE

    For Labour?
    Yes
    Did you see yesterday’s Scottish poll?

    Seat projection for Scottish Labour = 1 seat (nc).
    You're rapidly becoming one of the worst posters on this site.
    I’m an equal opportunities Unionist irritator.
    You contribute literally nothing of value.
    He spreads Swedeness and light.

    Plus he has a rye sense of humour as befits a Scotch expert.
    He writes the same post over and over again.
    He's not the only poster who does that. At least he doesn't tend to write 10 comments in the span of a few minutes that could all be a single comment.
    At least I don't rejoin the site when I get banned
    When was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
    No answer, then? Who am I, and when was I banned?
    We all know who you are.
    Who?
    He's just stirring, he's got nothing to back it up and he knows it.
    Does CHB have multiple Accounts or something?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 19,836
    HYUFD said:

    CEO pay now 109 times average worker

    Corbyn Policy no Govt contracts where CEO Pay exceeds 20 times

    SKS shrugs

    So in effect a maximum wage at private companies, not likely to help UK companies attract the best international talent to lead them
    At a certain point - I'm not sure salary becomes the main driver in attracting talent. "You could make £50K instead of £30K" - "ooh, tell me more". "You could make £350K instead of £300K." "Meh." Working conditions and sheer job interest become more important.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 30,107

    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:



    One of few things that Trump was right about, was that the US and UK were the only countries pulling their weight in NATO, and that everyone else needed to meet the 2% defence spending target - especially the Germans.

    Poland, Greece, Slovakia and all of the Baltics spend more than 2%.

    The UK cheats by counting pension payments (including mine) toward defence spending.

    In the Woodward books, the veracity of which have never been challenged, Trump comes across as absolutely obsessed with eliminating US defence commitements abroad. He was only prevented from withdrawing 30,000 troops from South Korea by Gary Cohn taking the paperwork off his desk before he could sign it.

    In his next term when he goes full "Dark MAGA" there are going to be far fewer constraints on his caprice.
    IIRC, under the coalition, the move to including pensions in defence spending was as move to a common NATO definition of defence spending.
    Of course it was, which is why reported defence spending increased by the pension commitment. Or was it used to cover yet more Tory defence cuts?
    It was the agreed NATO definition - which meant unanimous sign off. I’m quite sure that Cameron liked the fact that it took spending over 2%

    As did, I’m sure, every other country not counting pensions at the time. A fair number counted pensions as part of spending previously, IIRC.
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    Rishi Sunak drops big hint he will refuse job in a Truss cabinet, saying his experience in govt has taught him that 'you really need to agree on the big stuff - if you don't it's very tough, I found out'
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