Mr. kinabalu, the hypocrisy was and remains amusing, as amusing as it is alarming.
A drunken fool's ideology that promotes racist nonsense is wretched whether it's bigoted against whites or Jews, or Koreans, or all three. Or blacks, Arabs, and Japanese.
There are some crass and counterproductive aspects to antiracist thinking and activism- this I can well see. Indeed thanks to Leon we get most of them copied onto here for our perusal and scorn.
What doesn't get copied in quite so much - in fact at all - are any of the countless depressing little incidents in everyday life that are driven by racism, conscious or unconscious, overt or latent, structural or freelance.
What I genuinely cannot relate to about what you (and tbf several other right wing inclined posters on here) bring to this whole topic is how you are way more concerned about those aforesaid excesses of antiracism than you are about the thing it seeks to highlight and combat - racism.
This is the problem with you guys from where I'm sitting.
The problem with you, the ENORMOUS problem with you, is that you are up yourself, so glistening with the slime of moral self regard, you fail to see that Wokeness is taking a fucking wrecking ball to the Enlightenment, and also encouraging and cementing the racial divisions you pretend to worry about . Perhaps it is because you simply don't care? I do not think you are that callous. I think it is because you are actually quite stupid, and narrow minded, as we have established, on here, passim
Yawn. Same old same old. Not just the sentiments but the language - almost right down to the actual words. You think of yourself as a freewheeling original with eclectic ‘impossible to pigeonhole’ opinions yet your views on whatever crops up on any particular PB day, and how you express them, are amongst the most predictable on here. I mean, if we got ‘AI’ on the job you’d be one of the first products off the delivery line and it’d be a damn fine one.
I think everyone should post in the style of Leon for the rest of the day. I'm sure it's harder than it looks - a line I imagine Leon will have heard before.
It's difficult, but not impossible, to convincingly copy my style. @eadric did it for a while with some elan
Pretending to be impervious to logic, the gratuitous insults and bigotry, and putting random WORDS in capitals is the easy bit. The detachment from any sort of rational analysis grounded in the real world will be the difficult bit.
I'd find it hard to copy you because you have absolutely no personality at all. No humour, no wit, no quirks, no nothing. You are a nullity. It would be like trying to draw a void
And that is supposed to worry me, how? Most probably, you simply cannot draw.
I wear the badge of being the anti-Leon with pride.
Given the number of @SeanTs, you certainly can’t be accused of being prejudiced against a…. minority.
Mr. kinabalu, the hypocrisy was and remains amusing, as amusing as it is alarming.
A drunken fool's ideology that promotes racist nonsense is wretched whether it's bigoted against whites or Jews, or Koreans, or all three. Or blacks, Arabs, and Japanese.
There are some crass and counterproductive aspects to antiracist thinking and activism- this I can well see. Indeed thanks to Leon we get most of them copied onto here for our perusal and scorn.
What doesn't get copied in quite so much - in fact at all - are any of the countless depressing little incidents in everyday life that are driven by racism, conscious or unconscious, overt or latent, structural or freelance.
What I genuinely cannot relate to about what you (and tbf several other right wing inclined posters on here) bring to this whole topic is how you are way more concerned about those aforesaid excesses of antiracism than you are about the thing it seeks to highlight and combat - racism.
This is the problem with you guys from where I'm sitting.
The problem with you, the ENORMOUS problem with you, is that you are up yourself, so glistening with the slime of moral self regard, you fail to see that Wokeness is taking a fucking wrecking ball to the Enlightenment, and also encouraging and cementing the racial divisions you pretend to worry about . Perhaps it is because you simply don't care? I do not think you are that callous. I think it is because you are actually quite stupid, and narrow minded, as we have established, on here, passim
Yawn. Same old same old. Not just the sentiments but the language - almost right down to the actual words. You think of yourself as a freewheeling original with eclectic ‘impossible to pigeonhole’ opinions yet your views on whatever crops up on any particular PB day, and how you express them, are amongst the most predictable on here. I mean, if we got ‘AI’ on the job you’d be one of the first products off the delivery line and it’d be a damn fine one.
I think everyone should post in the style of Leon for the rest of the day. I'm sure it's harder than it looks - a line I imagine Leon will have heard before.
It's difficult, but not impossible, to convincingly copy my style. @eadric did it for a while with some elan
Pretending to be impervious to logic, the gratuitous insults and bigotry, and putting random WORDS in capitals is the easy bit. The detachment from any sort of rational analysis grounded in the real world will be the difficult bit.
I'd find it hard to copy you because you have absolutely no personality at all. No humour, no wit, no quirks, no nothing. You are a nullity. It would be like trying to draw a void
And that is supposed to worry me, how? Most probably, you simply cannot draw.
I wear the badge of being the anti-Leon with pride.
I think Leon’s protesting a bit too much about you TBH
fwiw while I have little doubt that the UK civil service and FO was at best anti-Israel and at worst anti-semitic in the past, I would be surprised if there were too many anti-semites there now for precisely the reason (wokeness) that Truss complains of.
That said, it is easy for those on the left (not you @Stark_Dawning ) to stray into anti-Israel/pro-Palestine/anti-semitism so perhaps that's what she's getting at.
It was always a theme in Yes Minister that the Civil Service was "pro Arab" (to put it politely).
It probably was a hangover from Imperial times, when ex colonial administrators had fond memories of the local sheikh or emir offering them a boy for the night, as a form of hospitality.
I thought it was more simply that the Arabs had oil and the Israelis didn't. Piss off the Arabs and it had unfortunate consequences for our oil supply (as Eden found out). 'The PM should be concerned about the Oily Places not the Holy Places.'
Of course, that may have been a cover for anti-semitic prejudice.
That's post WWII, though, and hardly a novel development.
(Incidentally, I note that both Michael Gove and Theresa May are self proclaimed admirers of Dornford Yates.)
Trollope has characters complaining "his greasy Israelitish smile", "a swarthy son of Judah", "a man whose father was probably selling matchsticks in Whitechapel". He had an especial loathing for Jews who converted to Christianity, who he saw as wolves in sheep's clothing. Mr. Melius, a popular preacher, is an immigrant from Bohemia and born a Jew, which makes him very suspect. It turns out, he is guilty of bigamy, and all good-thinking folk applaud when he gets ten years' imprisonment for it.
Plus there is, you know, the biggie Jew from literature.
St. Paul... Jesus ?
Jehovah? Doesn't get much bigger!
Would it be accurate to so describe a deity ?
Personally, I've always felt like God is an Englishman. Ralph Richardson type, as in the movie. Means well, enormously powerful, a bit vague sometimes, ineffable and omniscient, drinks too much
As to whether God is actually Jewish, there is an old Israeli saying - if God is really Jewish, and the Jews are His chosen people, how come the Arabs got all the oil?
In that case God rides a (German) motorbike.
R75/6. First boxer with the camshaft under the crank.
Knew I could depend on you! I think Sir R. dabbled in other marques (I have a vague memory of him road testing a Hesketh) but Beemers were always his first love.
From here, please can we just ignore the poster called Leon and we'll all be much happier. Stop quoting him and stop responding to him, he'll get bored.
Mr. kinabalu, the hypocrisy was and remains amusing, as amusing as it is alarming.
A drunken fool's ideology that promotes racist nonsense is wretched whether it's bigoted against whites or Jews, or Koreans, or all three. Or blacks, Arabs, and Japanese.
There are some crass and counterproductive aspects to antiracist thinking and activism- this I can well see. Indeed thanks to Leon we get most of them copied onto here for our perusal and scorn.
What doesn't get copied in quite so much - in fact at all - are any of the countless depressing little incidents in everyday life that are driven by racism, conscious or unconscious, overt or latent, structural or freelance.
What I genuinely cannot relate to about what you (and tbf several other right wing inclined posters on here) bring to this whole topic is how you are way more concerned about those aforesaid excesses of antiracism than you are about the thing it seeks to highlight and combat - racism.
This is the problem with you guys from where I'm sitting.
The problem with you, the ENORMOUS problem with you, is that you are up yourself, so glistening with the slime of moral self regard, you fail to see that Wokeness is taking a fucking wrecking ball to the Enlightenment, and also encouraging and cementing the racial divisions you pretend to worry about . Perhaps it is because you simply don't care? I do not think you are that callous. I think it is because you are actually quite stupid, and narrow minded, as we have established, on here, passim
Yawn. Same old same old. Not just the sentiments but the language - almost right down to the actual words. You think of yourself as a freewheeling original with eclectic ‘impossible to pigeonhole’ opinions yet your views on whatever crops up on any particular PB day, and how you express them, are amongst the most predictable on here. I mean, if we got ‘AI’ on the job you’d be one of the first products off the delivery line and it’d be a damn fine one.
I think everyone should post in the style of Leon for the rest of the day. I'm sure it's harder than it looks - a line I imagine Leon will have heard before.
That would be quite the experiment!
But I must be away. My gym beckons and the frisson will be building down there as they await.
Then a G&T or three and as for this evening - who knows? It's a blank canvas on which I have yet to lay my brush.
Brace.
And Laters.
I nominate this for the Worst Leon Impression Ever. And I should know, having endured @LadyG and @Mysticrose
I really do think that children can have an appreciation of the racist legacy of western colonialism - inc the notion of white privilege - without becoming so crippled with personal guilt that they can't tie their own shoelaces.
They shouldn't feel or be taught any personal guilt whatsoever. The sins of the fathers or, in this case, the multiple great-grandfathers, are not visited on the sons. This was the whole basis of Christian anti-semitism. It was wrong when applied to Jews. It is wrong when applied to people now who have no responsibility whatsoever for what people in previous centuries did or did not do.
True but only 50% of the picture. Black people have no right to white guilt but they do have a right to the truth; there is a reason why holocaust denial is a crime. Slavery denial OTOH is routine, because its victims are a bit smaller and further away, and harder to see in the dark. It was the defining institution of its age and the basis of the rise of this country and the USA to world domination. Lying about this is wrong.
There are people in the USA who will argue that slavery was a benign institution. I don't think there's anyone (outside of the lunatic fringe) who would argue that in the UK.
From here, please can we just ignore the poster called Leon and we'll all be much happier. Stop quoting him and stop responding to him, he'll get bored.
But he only comes here because he is bored? Despite being a globe-trotting lothario (by his own account).
Today I am Leon. How does it feel, you ask. INCREDIBLE. Slightly tipsy, like I've over-indulged on a fine breakfast retsina on one of the more interesting Greek islands. Not one that you lot would know about, because you are so incredibly STUPID. Even thinking about you trying to go there is so hideous and boring, eugh get rid
Here is the picture from the balcony
Greece of course is home to the Enlightenment, which is my favourite thing apart from SEX. Soon to be consigned to history by the crazed woke left of the cultural Marxist politically correct brigade. They won't be happy until everyone has their own pronoun and all the HOT TEENS self-identity as Chairman Mao or a dog and all the statues of white men have been melted down to make egg cups for Muslim rape gangs. It's quite sad really that you can't see this
I could continue, just to enrage all the bitter remoaners of the hideous woke left who keep losing elections because they are FUCKING MORONS but also control everything and need to be purged. But it's getting boring and so Get Tae Fuck
I really do think that children can have an appreciation of the racist legacy of western colonialism - inc the notion of white privilege - without becoming so crippled with personal guilt that they can't tie their own shoelaces.
They shouldn't feel or be taught any personal guilt whatsoever. The sins of the fathers or, in this case, the multiple great-grandfathers, are not visited on the sons. This was the whole basis of Christian anti-semitism. It was wrong when applied to Jews. It is wrong when applied to people now who have no responsibility whatsoever for what people in previous centuries did or did not do.
True but only 50% of the picture. Black people have no right to white guilt but they do have a right to the truth; there is a reason why holocaust denial is a crime. Slavery denial OTOH is routine, because its victims are a bit smaller and further away, and harder to see in the dark. It was the defining institution of its age and the basis of the rise of this country and the USA to world domination. Lying about this is wrong.
There are people in the USA who will argue that slavery was a benign institution. I don't think there's anyone (outside of the lunatic fringe) who would argue that in the UK.
No, but the default position is a lot of bollocks mitigation: people have always done it, the Arabs did it more than we did it, Wilberforce, West Africa squadron, all that shit.
Mr. kinabalu, the hypocrisy was and remains amusing, as amusing as it is alarming.
A drunken fool's ideology that promotes racist nonsense is wretched whether it's bigoted against whites or Jews, or Koreans, or all three. Or blacks, Arabs, and Japanese.
There are some crass and counterproductive aspects to antiracist thinking and activism- this I can well see. Indeed thanks to Leon we get most of them copied onto here for our perusal and scorn.
What doesn't get copied in quite so much - in fact at all - are any of the countless depressing little incidents in everyday life that are driven by racism, conscious or unconscious, overt or latent, structural or freelance.
What I genuinely cannot relate to about what you (and tbf several other right wing inclined posters on here) bring to this whole topic is how you are way more concerned about those aforesaid excesses of antiracism than you are about the thing it seeks to highlight and combat - racism.
This is the problem with you guys from where I'm sitting.
The problem with you, the ENORMOUS problem with you, is that you are up yourself, so glistening with the slime of moral self regard, you fail to see that Wokeness is taking a fucking wrecking ball to the Enlightenment, and also encouraging and cementing the racial divisions you pretend to worry about . Perhaps it is because you simply don't care? I do not think you are that callous. I think it is because you are actually quite stupid, and narrow minded, as we have established, on here, passim
Yawn. Same old same old. Not just the sentiments but the language - almost right down to the actual words. You think of yourself as a freewheeling original with eclectic ‘impossible to pigeonhole’ opinions yet your views on whatever crops up on any particular PB day, and how you express them, are amongst the most predictable on here. I mean, if we got ‘AI’ on the job you’d be one of the first products off the delivery line and it’d be a damn fine one.
I think everyone should post in the style of Leon for the rest of the day. I'm sure it's harder than it looks - a line I imagine Leon will have heard before.
That would be quite the experiment!
But I must be away. My gym beckons and the frisson will be building down there as they await.
Then a G&T or three and as for this evening - who knows? It's a blank canvas on which I have yet to lay my brush.
Brace.
And Laters.
I nominate this for the Worst Leon Impression Ever. And I should know, having endured @LadyG and @Mysticrose
Indeed, for true authenticity it would have to have an 'and another thing' post five minutes later.
Can Liz Truss provide evidence to back her suggestion there is "woke" culture in the civil service that "strays into antisemitism"? We asked @BrandonLewis 👇👇 #KayBurley wx
This was a fucking disgraceful allegation from Truss - and shows she is continuity Johnson. She is a liar.
There's definitely Woke culture in public infrastructure projects.
My client is holding a "power games" in Regent's Park on Wednesday evening hosted by the Unite for Race Equality network.
Have a guess as to how they'll play that.
Provide evidence there is widespread anti-Semitism in the Civil Service, she used the Jewish Community to further her political agenda.
Anti-Semitism is something we all take seriously when it is founded. Instead she made the allegation then immediately ran away.
She is an absolute disgrace - and this has made it clear for me. I will never vote Tory whilst anyone associated with her is in a position of power.
They are going to hold "egg and spoon" races, and other fun outdoor classics, but ensure that one's starting position in these races is handicapped depending on what "group" you are in - because there must always be an identity politics lesson to be imbibed. Never just neutral fun teambuilding.
For clarity, that means that a white male I would have to start behind others in the race - probably at the back - and that's the intersectionality lecture delivered.
That is Wokery and it goes on *all the time*.
At some point this is going to directly collide with my career ambitions, as I personally cannot abide it but, for now, I will have a "prior engagement" that unfortunately cannot get out of.
Is that really what they do?!
Jesus f Christ
Is this private or public sector?
The thought of Casino having to start behind in an egg & spoon race in Regents Park because he's white - this is surely an uncalled for humiliation to rank right alongside those caused by the structural racism it is meant to highlight!
@Casino_Royale should just tell them he self-identifies as Indian due to Indian ancestry. What are these fuckers going to do then? Give him a genetic test? Check to see if he wobbles his head? Race is a social construct so it has no reality anyway, as the same Woke cranks keep telling us
This is the surreal yet inevitable endpoint of Wokeness. Everyone will self identify as African and gay so they can be first in the company egg and spoon race
Yada yada.
The relationship between you and this topic - structural racism - is an odd one indeed. It's a widely acknowledged complex problem but rather than take a pass on it - as posters do all the time on things which either don’t interest them or they can’t get their heads around – what happens is you get angry at the mere mention of it, lashing out at those who take it seriously, risibly making out that to talk about White Privilege is some mortal threat to civilisation, or in lighter vein (which isn’t actually that light) erupting into spasms of “oh god what do we call them this week then?” jocularity, seeking to trivialize the whole thing.
The term White Fragility is one I realize irritates but tough titty because it also nails a certain specific mindset and set of attitudes and we have living proof of its acuity right here.
So structural racism is a real problem, but straying into antisemitism is a vile lie?
Jews don't count.
Return to sender. Poster who said "accusations of antisemitism are always a vile lie" unknown.
Meanwhile you're banging on about "Fragility" and "structural" racism.
Who is the "Fragile" one really, when comments as mild as Trusses about "straying into" racism attract such vitriol?
Racism is Structural against every race apart from Jews it seems?
Which is it, is structural racism real including against Jews, or is racism real but uniquely Jews don't count?
Now mr @moonshine - see this here IS a "word salad".
Genuinely hard to extract any sense from it but for the record and please save this tweet:
Racism - 'structural' or otherwise - exists and it includes antisemitism and it's a bad thing.
So we're getting somewhere. Structural racism, including antisemitism exists - that is now your opinion.
In which case, surely what Truss said was eminently reasonable that antisemitism needs tackling [just as any other racism does too] and so can you acknowledge the logical end point of your train of thought and criticise the "Fragility" of those opposing what Truss said?
You still appear to be ignoring what Truss said. Your position rests on pretending Truss said something she didn’t. She made a specific claim that “woke” civil service culture “strays into antisemitism”.
In the same speech, she characterised Jewish culture in ways that some feel were stereotyping.
Absolutely and "woke" civil service culture does indeed stray into antisemitism, just as almost any "woke" rally of any kind will inevitably have antisemitic placards being waved too. She was entirely correct in everything she wrote, and the Fragile individuals who feel threatened at institutional racism being called out should get over their own Fragility.
Have I got that right, Kinabalu?
I can't separate your attempt at humour from the point you are making. Do you have any evidence of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism?
Today I am Leon. How does it feel, you ask. INCREDIBLE. Slightly tipsy, like I've over-indulged on a fine breakfast retsina on one of the more interesting Greek islands. Not one that you lot would know about, because you are so incredibly STUPID. Even thinking about you trying to go there is so hideous and boring, eugh get rid
Here is the picture from the balcony
Greece of course is home to the Enlightenment, which is my favourite thing apart from SEX. Soon to be consigned to history by the crazed woke left of the cultural Marxist politically correct brigade. They won't be happy until everyone has their own pronoun and all the HOT TEENS self-identity as Chairman Mao or a dog and all the statues of white men have been melted down to make egg cups for Muslim rape gangs. It's quite sad really that you can't see this
I could continue, just to enrage all the bitter remoaners of the hideous woke left who keep losing elections because they are FUCKING MORONS but also control everything and need to be purged. But it's getting boring and so Get Tae Fuck
Personally, I think that's better than @NickPalmer's. More verve. IMHO
Two off topics. 1. It's just started thundering here; no sign of rain but there are rumbles around.
2. Someone asked up-thread why, if God loved the Jews why the Arabs had all the oil? I understand the reason is that when Moses crossed the Red Sea he turned to the Israelites and said "Turn left"; if they'd turned right……
I really do think that children can have an appreciation of the racist legacy of western colonialism - inc the notion of white privilege - without becoming so crippled with personal guilt that they can't tie their own shoelaces.
They shouldn't feel or be taught any personal guilt whatsoever. The sins of the fathers or, in this case, the multiple great-grandfathers, are not visited on the sons. This was the whole basis of Christian anti-semitism. It was wrong when applied to Jews. It is wrong when applied to people now who have no responsibility whatsoever for what people in previous centuries did or did not do.
True but only 50% of the picture. Black people have no right to white guilt but they do have a right to the truth; there is a reason why holocaust denial is a crime. Slavery denial OTOH is routine, because its victims are a bit smaller and further away, and harder to see in the dark. It was the defining institution of its age and the basis of the rise of this country and the USA to world domination. Lying about this is wrong.
There are people in the USA who will argue that slavery was a benign institution. I don't think there's anyone (outside of the lunatic fringe) who would argue that in the UK.
Well..
'The much-anticipated report from the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities says that there is “a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain.”'
I really do think that children can have an appreciation of the racist legacy of western colonialism - inc the notion of white privilege - without becoming so crippled with personal guilt that they can't tie their own shoelaces.
They shouldn't feel or be taught any personal guilt whatsoever. The sins of the fathers or, in this case, the multiple great-grandfathers, are not visited on the sons. This was the whole basis of Christian anti-semitism. It was wrong when applied to Jews. It is wrong when applied to people now who have no responsibility whatsoever for what people in previous centuries did or did not do.
Indeed. The classic response is, of course, that they are enjoying the fruits of the sins of the (great … great grand) fathers.
They may or may not be. But then the descendants of the slaves may also be benefiting - even if that was not the intention - from what happened to their ancestors. The point is that we cannot turn the clock back to what life would be now in numerous countries had slavery (or another evil) not happened. So all we can do is learn about the history and try to do better now and in the future. But making people now feel guilt over the actions of others is a no-no. As is ascribing some sort of superior moral worth to people because of who their ancestors may have been.
We are responsible for our own actions and failures to act. Not those of the long dead. Getting people to accept and act on this apparently simple precept is quite hard enough without expecting them to bear the moral burden of the actions of others.
Great. So let's teach the history that happened, rather than the nostalgic fairy stories that the likes of Boris, Liz and JRM want.
Talking of dogs someone took their dog up Snowdon yesterday and its paws were so burnt the mountain rescue team had to evacuate the dog from the summit
Can Liz Truss provide evidence to back her suggestion there is "woke" culture in the civil service that "strays into antisemitism"? We asked @BrandonLewis 👇👇 #KayBurley wx
This was a fucking disgraceful allegation from Truss - and shows she is continuity Johnson. She is a liar.
There's definitely Woke culture in public infrastructure projects.
My client is holding a "power games" in Regent's Park on Wednesday evening hosted by the Unite for Race Equality network.
Have a guess as to how they'll play that.
Provide evidence there is widespread anti-Semitism in the Civil Service, she used the Jewish Community to further her political agenda.
Anti-Semitism is something we all take seriously when it is founded. Instead she made the allegation then immediately ran away.
She is an absolute disgrace - and this has made it clear for me. I will never vote Tory whilst anyone associated with her is in a position of power.
They are going to hold "egg and spoon" races, and other fun outdoor classics, but ensure that one's starting position in these races is handicapped depending on what "group" you are in - because there must always be an identity politics lesson to be imbibed. Never just neutral fun teambuilding.
For clarity, that means that a white male I would have to start behind others in the race - probably at the back - and that's the intersectionality lecture delivered.
That is Wokery and it goes on *all the time*.
At some point this is going to directly collide with my career ambitions, as I personally cannot abide it but, for now, I will have a "prior engagement" that unfortunately cannot get out of.
Is that really what they do?!
Jesus f Christ
Is this private or public sector?
The thought of Casino having to start behind in an egg & spoon race in Regents Park because he's white - this is surely an uncalled for humiliation to rank right alongside those caused by the structural racism it is meant to highlight!
@Casino_Royale should just tell them he self-identifies as Indian due to Indian ancestry. What are these fuckers going to do then? Give him a genetic test? Check to see if he wobbles his head? Race is a social construct so it has no reality anyway, as the same Woke cranks keep telling us
This is the surreal yet inevitable endpoint of Wokeness. Everyone will self identify as African and gay so they can be first in the company egg and spoon race
Yada yada.
The relationship between you and this topic - structural racism - is an odd one indeed. It's a widely acknowledged complex problem but rather than take a pass on it - as posters do all the time on things which either don’t interest them or they can’t get their heads around – what happens is you get angry at the mere mention of it, lashing out at those who take it seriously, risibly making out that to talk about White Privilege is some mortal threat to civilisation, or in lighter vein (which isn’t actually that light) erupting into spasms of “oh god what do we call them this week then?” jocularity, seeking to trivialize the whole thing.
The term White Fragility is one I realize irritates but tough titty because it also nails a certain specific mindset and set of attitudes and we have living proof of its acuity right here.
So structural racism is a real problem, but straying into antisemitism is a vile lie?
Jews don't count.
Return to sender. Poster who said "accusations of antisemitism are always a vile lie" unknown.
Meanwhile you're banging on about "Fragility" and "structural" racism.
Who is the "Fragile" one really, when comments as mild as Trusses about "straying into" racism attract such vitriol?
Racism is Structural against every race apart from Jews it seems?
Which is it, is structural racism real including against Jews, or is racism real but uniquely Jews don't count?
Now mr @moonshine - see this here IS a "word salad".
Genuinely hard to extract any sense from it but for the record and please save this tweet:
Racism - 'structural' or otherwise - exists and it includes antisemitism and it's a bad thing.
So we're getting somewhere. Structural racism, including antisemitism exists - that is now your opinion.
In which case, surely what Truss said was eminently reasonable that antisemitism needs tackling [just as any other racism does too] and so can you acknowledge the logical end point of your train of thought and criticise the "Fragility" of those opposing what Truss said?
You still appear to be ignoring what Truss said. Your position rests on pretending Truss said something she didn’t. She made a specific claim that “woke” civil service culture “strays into antisemitism”.
In the same speech, she characterised Jewish culture in ways that some feel were stereotyping.
Absolutely and "woke" civil service culture does indeed stray into antisemitism, just as almost any "woke" rally of any kind will inevitably have antisemitic placards being waved too. She was entirely correct in everything she wrote, and the Fragile individuals who feel threatened at institutional racism being called out should get over their own Fragility.
Have I got that right, Kinabalu?
I can't separate your attempt at humour from the point you are making. Do you have any evidence of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism?
There's three examples so far been given in this thread, its up to others to argue how credible they find these complaints or not, but in general supposedly complaints about racism are supposed to be taken at the utmost level of seriousness and not be dismissed out of hand as "lies" by those who are offended by the allegations.
1. Foreign Office antisemitism that had to be pushed back against (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 2. Attempts to ban Kosher food from sale in NI (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 3. 'BDS' policies where they are instituted (example given by Truss herself).
3 examples. Now are you so confident that none of those examples ever strays into antisemitism, in any circumstances, or do you think that it is perhaps possible that sometimes it strays into antisemitism?
I really do think that children can have an appreciation of the racist legacy of western colonialism - inc the notion of white privilege - without becoming so crippled with personal guilt that they can't tie their own shoelaces.
They shouldn't feel or be taught any personal guilt whatsoever. The sins of the fathers or, in this case, the multiple great-grandfathers, are not visited on the sons. This was the whole basis of Christian anti-semitism. It was wrong when applied to Jews. It is wrong when applied to people now who have no responsibility whatsoever for what people in previous centuries did or did not do.
Indeed. The classic response is, of course, that they are enjoying the fruits of the sins of the (great … great grand) fathers.
They may or may not be. But then the descendants of the slaves may also be benefiting - even if that was not the intention - from what happened to their ancestors. The point is that we cannot turn the clock back to what life would be now in numerous countries had slavery (or another evil) not happened. So all we can do is learn about the history and try to do better now and in the future. But making people now feel guilt over the actions of others is a no-no. As is ascribing some sort of superior moral worth to people because of who their ancestors may have been.
We are responsible for our own actions and failures to act. Not those of the long dead. Getting people to accept and act on this apparently simple precept is quite hard enough without expecting them to bear the moral burden of the actions of others.
Great. So let's teach the history that happened, rather than the nostalgic fairy stories that the likes of Boris, Liz and JRM want.
I agree. I am 100% in favour of really good history teaching.
Can Liz Truss provide evidence to back her suggestion there is "woke" culture in the civil service that "strays into antisemitism"? We asked @BrandonLewis 👇👇 #KayBurley wx
This was a fucking disgraceful allegation from Truss - and shows she is continuity Johnson. She is a liar.
There's definitely Woke culture in public infrastructure projects.
My client is holding a "power games" in Regent's Park on Wednesday evening hosted by the Unite for Race Equality network.
Have a guess as to how they'll play that.
Provide evidence there is widespread anti-Semitism in the Civil Service, she used the Jewish Community to further her political agenda.
Anti-Semitism is something we all take seriously when it is founded. Instead she made the allegation then immediately ran away.
She is an absolute disgrace - and this has made it clear for me. I will never vote Tory whilst anyone associated with her is in a position of power.
They are going to hold "egg and spoon" races, and other fun outdoor classics, but ensure that one's starting position in these races is handicapped depending on what "group" you are in - because there must always be an identity politics lesson to be imbibed. Never just neutral fun teambuilding.
For clarity, that means that a white male I would have to start behind others in the race - probably at the back - and that's the intersectionality lecture delivered.
That is Wokery and it goes on *all the time*.
At some point this is going to directly collide with my career ambitions, as I personally cannot abide it but, for now, I will have a "prior engagement" that unfortunately cannot get out of.
Is that really what they do?!
Jesus f Christ
Is this private or public sector?
The thought of Casino having to start behind in an egg & spoon race in Regents Park because he's white - this is surely an uncalled for humiliation to rank right alongside those caused by the structural racism it is meant to highlight!
@Casino_Royale should just tell them he self-identifies as Indian due to Indian ancestry. What are these fuckers going to do then? Give him a genetic test? Check to see if he wobbles his head? Race is a social construct so it has no reality anyway, as the same Woke cranks keep telling us
This is the surreal yet inevitable endpoint of Wokeness. Everyone will self identify as African and gay so they can be first in the company egg and spoon race
Yada yada.
The relationship between you and this topic - structural racism - is an odd one indeed. It's a widely acknowledged complex problem but rather than take a pass on it - as posters do all the time on things which either don’t interest them or they can’t get their heads around – what happens is you get angry at the mere mention of it, lashing out at those who take it seriously, risibly making out that to talk about White Privilege is some mortal threat to civilisation, or in lighter vein (which isn’t actually that light) erupting into spasms of “oh god what do we call them this week then?” jocularity, seeking to trivialize the whole thing.
The term White Fragility is one I realize irritates but tough titty because it also nails a certain specific mindset and set of attitudes and we have living proof of its acuity right here.
So structural racism is a real problem, but straying into antisemitism is a vile lie?
Jews don't count.
Return to sender. Poster who said "accusations of antisemitism are always a vile lie" unknown.
Meanwhile you're banging on about "Fragility" and "structural" racism.
Who is the "Fragile" one really, when comments as mild as Trusses about "straying into" racism attract such vitriol?
Racism is Structural against every race apart from Jews it seems?
Which is it, is structural racism real including against Jews, or is racism real but uniquely Jews don't count?
Now mr @moonshine - see this here IS a "word salad".
Genuinely hard to extract any sense from it but for the record and please save this tweet:
Racism - 'structural' or otherwise - exists and it includes antisemitism and it's a bad thing.
So we're getting somewhere. Structural racism, including antisemitism exists - that is now your opinion.
In which case, surely what Truss said was eminently reasonable that antisemitism needs tackling [just as any other racism does too] and so can you acknowledge the logical end point of your train of thought and criticise the "Fragility" of those opposing what Truss said?
You still appear to be ignoring what Truss said. Your position rests on pretending Truss said something she didn’t. She made a specific claim that “woke” civil service culture “strays into antisemitism”.
In the same speech, she characterised Jewish culture in ways that some feel were stereotyping.
Absolutely and "woke" civil service culture does indeed stray into antisemitism, just as almost any "woke" rally of any kind will inevitably have antisemitic placards being waved too. She was entirely correct in everything she wrote, and the Fragile individuals who feel threatened at institutional racism being called out should get over their own Fragility.
Have I got that right, Kinabalu?
I can't separate your attempt at humour from the point you are making. Do you have any evidence of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism?
I'm a long-time lurker and a first time poster. What a great website this is.
Hello Sean.
I am not familiar with this "Sean", I am just an old boy from the North of Scotland, I spent many years in the Civil Service until it became too woke for my liking so I left.
I'm a long-time lurker and a first time poster. What a great website this is.
Hello Sean.
I am not familiar with this "Sean", I am just an old boy from the North of Scotland, I spent many years in the Civil Service until it became too woke for my liking so I left.
You weren't in the DfE then, because they're not woke, they're really dozy.
Talking of dogs someone took their dog up Snowdon yesterday and its paws were so burnt the mountain rescue team had to evacuate the dog from the summit
How could any dog owner be so cruel
A question. Was out rowing on the weekend. Idiot threw a stick into the river for his dog, in front of us. Dog charged in of course - some kind of small terrier. We did a crash stop - dig the blades in.
The dog was on an incredibly long one of those reel in leads. Being the tidal Thames, the dog got swept past the boat and tangled up. Managed to untangle…
Am I right in thinking that having a dog on lead like that when it goes swimming is pretty dangerous for the dog?
"Sean" sounds like a fantastic guy though, does he not post any more? I have noticed this site fall into wokeism very rapidly which is sad to see. I sometimes travel through Waterloo Station and see these awful signs telling me not to be racist. I find this difficult because actually I am racist. I also hate women.
I've many times ranted to the SWR Twitter account, they have blocked me which is just the latest round of cancel culture. Really is despicable.
From here, please can we just ignore the poster called Leon and we'll all be much happier. Stop quoting him and stop responding to him, he'll get bored.
No.
We won't all be much happier. You will.
And making you happy isn't worth the loss of lunch pictures from around the globe.
Amongst the usual holocaust on wildlife and other issues, there is an interesting argument that cats are a much bigger animal welfare problem than culling badgers or hunting foxes on horseback.
From here, please can we just ignore the poster called Leon and we'll all be much happier. Stop quoting him and stop responding to him, he'll get bored.
No.
We won't all be much happier. You will.
And making you happy isn't worth the loss of lunch pictures from around the globe.
Soz n that.
Well said, Leon is a fine poster, the cancel culture against him is just disgraceful.
Can Liz Truss provide evidence to back her suggestion there is "woke" culture in the civil service that "strays into antisemitism"? We asked @BrandonLewis 👇👇 #KayBurley wx
This was a fucking disgraceful allegation from Truss - and shows she is continuity Johnson. She is a liar.
There's definitely Woke culture in public infrastructure projects.
My client is holding a "power games" in Regent's Park on Wednesday evening hosted by the Unite for Race Equality network.
Have a guess as to how they'll play that.
Provide evidence there is widespread anti-Semitism in the Civil Service, she used the Jewish Community to further her political agenda.
Anti-Semitism is something we all take seriously when it is founded. Instead she made the allegation then immediately ran away.
She is an absolute disgrace - and this has made it clear for me. I will never vote Tory whilst anyone associated with her is in a position of power.
They are going to hold "egg and spoon" races, and other fun outdoor classics, but ensure that one's starting position in these races is handicapped depending on what "group" you are in - because there must always be an identity politics lesson to be imbibed. Never just neutral fun teambuilding.
For clarity, that means that a white male I would have to start behind others in the race - probably at the back - and that's the intersectionality lecture delivered.
That is Wokery and it goes on *all the time*.
At some point this is going to directly collide with my career ambitions, as I personally cannot abide it but, for now, I will have a "prior engagement" that unfortunately cannot get out of.
Is that really what they do?!
Jesus f Christ
Is this private or public sector?
The thought of Casino having to start behind in an egg & spoon race in Regents Park because he's white - this is surely an uncalled for humiliation to rank right alongside those caused by the structural racism it is meant to highlight!
@Casino_Royale should just tell them he self-identifies as Indian due to Indian ancestry. What are these fuckers going to do then? Give him a genetic test? Check to see if he wobbles his head? Race is a social construct so it has no reality anyway, as the same Woke cranks keep telling us
This is the surreal yet inevitable endpoint of Wokeness. Everyone will self identify as African and gay so they can be first in the company egg and spoon race
Yada yada.
The relationship between you and this topic - structural racism - is an odd one indeed. It's a widely acknowledged complex problem but rather than take a pass on it - as posters do all the time on things which either don’t interest them or they can’t get their heads around – what happens is you get angry at the mere mention of it, lashing out at those who take it seriously, risibly making out that to talk about White Privilege is some mortal threat to civilisation, or in lighter vein (which isn’t actually that light) erupting into spasms of “oh god what do we call them this week then?” jocularity, seeking to trivialize the whole thing.
The term White Fragility is one I realize irritates but tough titty because it also nails a certain specific mindset and set of attitudes and we have living proof of its acuity right here.
So structural racism is a real problem, but straying into antisemitism is a vile lie?
Jews don't count.
Return to sender. Poster who said "accusations of antisemitism are always a vile lie" unknown.
Meanwhile you're banging on about "Fragility" and "structural" racism.
Who is the "Fragile" one really, when comments as mild as Trusses about "straying into" racism attract such vitriol?
Racism is Structural against every race apart from Jews it seems?
Which is it, is structural racism real including against Jews, or is racism real but uniquely Jews don't count?
Now mr @moonshine - see this here IS a "word salad".
Genuinely hard to extract any sense from it but for the record and please save this tweet:
Racism - 'structural' or otherwise - exists and it includes antisemitism and it's a bad thing.
So we're getting somewhere. Structural racism, including antisemitism exists - that is now your opinion.
In which case, surely what Truss said was eminently reasonable that antisemitism needs tackling [just as any other racism does too] and so can you acknowledge the logical end point of your train of thought and criticise the "Fragility" of those opposing what Truss said?
You still appear to be ignoring what Truss said. Your position rests on pretending Truss said something she didn’t. She made a specific claim that “woke” civil service culture “strays into antisemitism”.
In the same speech, she characterised Jewish culture in ways that some feel were stereotyping.
Absolutely and "woke" civil service culture does indeed stray into antisemitism, just as almost any "woke" rally of any kind will inevitably have antisemitic placards being waved too. She was entirely correct in everything she wrote, and the Fragile individuals who feel threatened at institutional racism being called out should get over their own Fragility.
Have I got that right, Kinabalu?
I can't separate your attempt at humour from the point you are making. Do you have any evidence of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism?
There's three examples so far been given in this thread, its up to others to argue how credible they find these complaints or not, but in general supposedly complaints about racism are supposed to be taken at the utmost level of seriousness and not be dismissed out of hand as "lies" by those who are offended by the allegations.
1. Foreign Office antisemitism that had to be pushed back against (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 2. Attempts to ban Kosher food from sale in NI (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 3. 'BDS' policies where they are instituted (example given by Truss herself).
3 examples. Now are you so confident that none of those examples ever strays into antisemitism, in any circumstances, or do you think that it is perhaps possible that sometimes it strays into antisemitism?
Are those examples of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism? To establish that, you need to show that they are or began as "wokeism" and that they stray into antisemitism.
Edit: to be clear, Lewis is accusing the EU of antisemitism. His accusation has nothing to do with civil service culture. His accusation that the EU is being antisemitic is, at best, dubious, but that's beside the point. He's not talking about "woke civil service culture".
Amongst the usual holocaust on wildlife and other issues, there is an interesting argument that cats are a much bigger animal welfare problem than culling badgers or hunting foxes on horseback.
As we're on the subject, that is an interesting use of the word "holocaust". Is it to denote something from the animal kingdom?
Can Liz Truss provide evidence to back her suggestion there is "woke" culture in the civil service that "strays into antisemitism"? We asked @BrandonLewis 👇👇 #KayBurley wx
This was a fucking disgraceful allegation from Truss - and shows she is continuity Johnson. She is a liar.
There's definitely Woke culture in public infrastructure projects.
My client is holding a "power games" in Regent's Park on Wednesday evening hosted by the Unite for Race Equality network.
Have a guess as to how they'll play that.
Provide evidence there is widespread anti-Semitism in the Civil Service, she used the Jewish Community to further her political agenda.
Anti-Semitism is something we all take seriously when it is founded. Instead she made the allegation then immediately ran away.
She is an absolute disgrace - and this has made it clear for me. I will never vote Tory whilst anyone associated with her is in a position of power.
They are going to hold "egg and spoon" races, and other fun outdoor classics, but ensure that one's starting position in these races is handicapped depending on what "group" you are in - because there must always be an identity politics lesson to be imbibed. Never just neutral fun teambuilding.
For clarity, that means that a white male I would have to start behind others in the race - probably at the back - and that's the intersectionality lecture delivered.
That is Wokery and it goes on *all the time*.
At some point this is going to directly collide with my career ambitions, as I personally cannot abide it but, for now, I will have a "prior engagement" that unfortunately cannot get out of.
Is that really what they do?!
Jesus f Christ
Is this private or public sector?
The thought of Casino having to start behind in an egg & spoon race in Regents Park because he's white - this is surely an uncalled for humiliation to rank right alongside those caused by the structural racism it is meant to highlight!
@Casino_Royale should just tell them he self-identifies as Indian due to Indian ancestry. What are these fuckers going to do then? Give him a genetic test? Check to see if he wobbles his head? Race is a social construct so it has no reality anyway, as the same Woke cranks keep telling us
This is the surreal yet inevitable endpoint of Wokeness. Everyone will self identify as African and gay so they can be first in the company egg and spoon race
Yada yada.
The relationship between you and this topic - structural racism - is an odd one indeed. It's a widely acknowledged complex problem but rather than take a pass on it - as posters do all the time on things which either don’t interest them or they can’t get their heads around – what happens is you get angry at the mere mention of it, lashing out at those who take it seriously, risibly making out that to talk about White Privilege is some mortal threat to civilisation, or in lighter vein (which isn’t actually that light) erupting into spasms of “oh god what do we call them this week then?” jocularity, seeking to trivialize the whole thing.
The term White Fragility is one I realize irritates but tough titty because it also nails a certain specific mindset and set of attitudes and we have living proof of its acuity right here.
So structural racism is a real problem, but straying into antisemitism is a vile lie?
Jews don't count.
Return to sender. Poster who said "accusations of antisemitism are always a vile lie" unknown.
Meanwhile you're banging on about "Fragility" and "structural" racism.
Who is the "Fragile" one really, when comments as mild as Trusses about "straying into" racism attract such vitriol?
Racism is Structural against every race apart from Jews it seems?
Which is it, is structural racism real including against Jews, or is racism real but uniquely Jews don't count?
Now mr @moonshine - see this here IS a "word salad".
Genuinely hard to extract any sense from it but for the record and please save this tweet:
Racism - 'structural' or otherwise - exists and it includes antisemitism and it's a bad thing.
So we're getting somewhere. Structural racism, including antisemitism exists - that is now your opinion.
In which case, surely what Truss said was eminently reasonable that antisemitism needs tackling [just as any other racism does too] and so can you acknowledge the logical end point of your train of thought and criticise the "Fragility" of those opposing what Truss said?
You still appear to be ignoring what Truss said. Your position rests on pretending Truss said something she didn’t. She made a specific claim that “woke” civil service culture “strays into antisemitism”.
In the same speech, she characterised Jewish culture in ways that some feel were stereotyping.
Absolutely and "woke" civil service culture does indeed stray into antisemitism, just as almost any "woke" rally of any kind will inevitably have antisemitic placards being waved too. She was entirely correct in everything she wrote, and the Fragile individuals who feel threatened at institutional racism being called out should get over their own Fragility.
Have I got that right, Kinabalu?
I can't separate your attempt at humour from the point you are making. Do you have any evidence of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism?
There's three examples so far been given in this thread, its up to others to argue how credible they find these complaints or not, but in general supposedly complaints about racism are supposed to be taken at the utmost level of seriousness and not be dismissed out of hand as "lies" by those who are offended by the allegations.
1. Foreign Office antisemitism that had to be pushed back against (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 2. Attempts to ban Kosher food from sale in NI (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 3. 'BDS' policies where they are instituted (example given by Truss herself).
3 examples. Now are you so confident that none of those examples ever strays into antisemitism, in any circumstances, or do you think that it is perhaps possible that sometimes it strays into antisemitism?
Are those examples of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism? To establish that, you need to show that they are or began as "wokeism" and that they stray into antisemitism.
Yes you did come a bit late. We agreed that everyone can be and as far as some people are concerned absolutely are unconsciously racist and the Civil Service is no different. Hence irregardless of "evidence" it should accept that it is racist and make amends.
Can Liz Truss provide evidence to back her suggestion there is "woke" culture in the civil service that "strays into antisemitism"? We asked @BrandonLewis 👇👇 #KayBurley wx
This was a fucking disgraceful allegation from Truss - and shows she is continuity Johnson. She is a liar.
There's definitely Woke culture in public infrastructure projects.
My client is holding a "power games" in Regent's Park on Wednesday evening hosted by the Unite for Race Equality network.
Have a guess as to how they'll play that.
Provide evidence there is widespread anti-Semitism in the Civil Service, she used the Jewish Community to further her political agenda.
Anti-Semitism is something we all take seriously when it is founded. Instead she made the allegation then immediately ran away.
She is an absolute disgrace - and this has made it clear for me. I will never vote Tory whilst anyone associated with her is in a position of power.
They are going to hold "egg and spoon" races, and other fun outdoor classics, but ensure that one's starting position in these races is handicapped depending on what "group" you are in - because there must always be an identity politics lesson to be imbibed. Never just neutral fun teambuilding.
For clarity, that means that a white male I would have to start behind others in the race - probably at the back - and that's the intersectionality lecture delivered.
That is Wokery and it goes on *all the time*.
At some point this is going to directly collide with my career ambitions, as I personally cannot abide it but, for now, I will have a "prior engagement" that unfortunately cannot get out of.
Is that really what they do?!
Jesus f Christ
Is this private or public sector?
The thought of Casino having to start behind in an egg & spoon race in Regents Park because he's white - this is surely an uncalled for humiliation to rank right alongside those caused by the structural racism it is meant to highlight!
@Casino_Royale should just tell them he self-identifies as Indian due to Indian ancestry. What are these fuckers going to do then? Give him a genetic test? Check to see if he wobbles his head? Race is a social construct so it has no reality anyway, as the same Woke cranks keep telling us
This is the surreal yet inevitable endpoint of Wokeness. Everyone will self identify as African and gay so they can be first in the company egg and spoon race
Yada yada.
The relationship between you and this topic - structural racism - is an odd one indeed. It's a widely acknowledged complex problem but rather than take a pass on it - as posters do all the time on things which either don’t interest them or they can’t get their heads around – what happens is you get angry at the mere mention of it, lashing out at those who take it seriously, risibly making out that to talk about White Privilege is some mortal threat to civilisation, or in lighter vein (which isn’t actually that light) erupting into spasms of “oh god what do we call them this week then?” jocularity, seeking to trivialize the whole thing.
The term White Fragility is one I realize irritates but tough titty because it also nails a certain specific mindset and set of attitudes and we have living proof of its acuity right here.
So structural racism is a real problem, but straying into antisemitism is a vile lie?
Jews don't count.
Return to sender. Poster who said "accusations of antisemitism are always a vile lie" unknown.
Meanwhile you're banging on about "Fragility" and "structural" racism.
Who is the "Fragile" one really, when comments as mild as Trusses about "straying into" racism attract such vitriol?
Racism is Structural against every race apart from Jews it seems?
Which is it, is structural racism real including against Jews, or is racism real but uniquely Jews don't count?
Now mr @moonshine - see this here IS a "word salad".
Genuinely hard to extract any sense from it but for the record and please save this tweet:
Racism - 'structural' or otherwise - exists and it includes antisemitism and it's a bad thing.
So we're getting somewhere. Structural racism, including antisemitism exists - that is now your opinion.
In which case, surely what Truss said was eminently reasonable that antisemitism needs tackling [just as any other racism does too] and so can you acknowledge the logical end point of your train of thought and criticise the "Fragility" of those opposing what Truss said?
You still appear to be ignoring what Truss said. Your position rests on pretending Truss said something she didn’t. She made a specific claim that “woke” civil service culture “strays into antisemitism”.
In the same speech, she characterised Jewish culture in ways that some feel were stereotyping.
Absolutely and "woke" civil service culture does indeed stray into antisemitism, just as almost any "woke" rally of any kind will inevitably have antisemitic placards being waved too. She was entirely correct in everything she wrote, and the Fragile individuals who feel threatened at institutional racism being called out should get over their own Fragility.
Have I got that right, Kinabalu?
I can't separate your attempt at humour from the point you are making. Do you have any evidence of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism?
There's three examples so far been given in this thread, its up to others to argue how credible they find these complaints or not, but in general supposedly complaints about racism are supposed to be taken at the utmost level of seriousness and not be dismissed out of hand as "lies" by those who are offended by the allegations.
1. Foreign Office antisemitism that had to be pushed back against (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 2. Attempts to ban Kosher food from sale in NI (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 3. 'BDS' policies where they are instituted (example given by Truss herself).
3 examples. Now are you so confident that none of those examples ever strays into antisemitism, in any circumstances, or do you think that it is perhaps possible that sometimes it strays into antisemitism?
Are those examples of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism? To establish that, you need to show that they are or began as "wokeism" and that they stray into antisemitism.
Seems from that own source that Lewis was entirely accurate in saying that it was causing issues for Kosher food and that any attempts to call it "misleading" is a matter of perspective. So yes, Kosher food was an issue, as your own source acknowledges, and I wonder if perhaps a less antisemitic culture had been in place that this issue would have been taken with more seriousness sooner?
Amongst the usual massacre on wildlife and other issues, there is an interesting argument that cats are a much bigger animal welfare problem than culling badgers or hunting foxes on horseback.
As we're on the subject, that is an interesting use of the word "holocaust". Is it to denote something from the animal kingdom?
Was thinking of the old Bible/Greek meaning of a burnt offering/sacrifice, which was of animals, and metaphorically offered in this case to a certain notion of pet keeping. But yes, unfortunate other meaning, so have edited original and this. Apols.
I really do think that children can have an appreciation of the racist legacy of western colonialism - inc the notion of white privilege - without becoming so crippled with personal guilt that they can't tie their own shoelaces.
They shouldn't feel or be taught any personal guilt whatsoever. The sins of the fathers or, in this case, the multiple great-grandfathers, are not visited on the sons. This was the whole basis of Christian anti-semitism. It was wrong when applied to Jews. It is wrong when applied to people now who have no responsibility whatsoever for what people in previous centuries did or did not do.
True but only 50% of the picture. Black people have no right to white guilt but they do have a right to the truth; there is a reason why holocaust denial is a crime. Slavery denial OTOH is routine, because its victims are a bit smaller and further away, and harder to see in the dark. It was the defining institution of its age and the basis of the rise of this country and the USA to world domination. Lying about this is wrong.
There are people in the USA who will argue that slavery was a benign institution. I don't think there's anyone (outside of the lunatic fringe) who would argue that in the UK.
Well..
'The much-anticipated report from the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities says that there is “a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain.”'
There is certainly a story to be told about the courage and resilience with which slaves resisted and rebelled against their condition. The debate usually revolves around (a) abolitionists persuaded the British public it was wicked or (b) no such thing, it was just that industrialisation made slavery unprofitable. The bit that gets frequently left out, IMHO, is that every slave revolt or mutiny made the price of maintaining the institution that bit higher.
From here, please can we just ignore the poster called Leon and we'll all be much happier. Stop quoting him and stop responding to him, he'll get bored.
You are one of the most pathetic and boring posters on this site. Are you ever right?
Iran's state media, reacting to Rushdie's stabbing highlighted the news that Rushdie might lose an eye following the attack, says "an eye of the Satan has been blinded".
Amongst the usual massacre on wildlife and other issues, there is an interesting argument that cats are a much bigger animal welfare problem than culling badgers or hunting foxes on horseback.
As we're on the subject, that is an interesting use of the word "holocaust". Is it to denote something from the animal kingdom?
Was thinking of the old Bible/Greek meaning of a burnt offering/sacrifice, which was of animals, and metaphorically offered in this case to a certain notion of pet keeping. But yes, unfortunate other meaning, so have edited original and this. Apols.
Not offended at all just curious - it was interesting to determine the context/vernacular.
73 billion a year to protect the profits of private companies. About 10p on income tax, every year. To protect the profits of private companies. Bail out the fucking bankers again while youre at it, they could do with a new city penthouse each
Can Liz Truss provide evidence to back her suggestion there is "woke" culture in the civil service that "strays into antisemitism"? We asked @BrandonLewis 👇👇 #KayBurley wx
This was a fucking disgraceful allegation from Truss - and shows she is continuity Johnson. She is a liar.
There's definitely Woke culture in public infrastructure projects.
My client is holding a "power games" in Regent's Park on Wednesday evening hosted by the Unite for Race Equality network.
Have a guess as to how they'll play that.
Provide evidence there is widespread anti-Semitism in the Civil Service, she used the Jewish Community to further her political agenda.
Anti-Semitism is something we all take seriously when it is founded. Instead she made the allegation then immediately ran away.
She is an absolute disgrace - and this has made it clear for me. I will never vote Tory whilst anyone associated with her is in a position of power.
They are going to hold "egg and spoon" races, and other fun outdoor classics, but ensure that one's starting position in these races is handicapped depending on what "group" you are in - because there must always be an identity politics lesson to be imbibed. Never just neutral fun teambuilding.
For clarity, that means that a white male I would have to start behind others in the race - probably at the back - and that's the intersectionality lecture delivered.
That is Wokery and it goes on *all the time*.
At some point this is going to directly collide with my career ambitions, as I personally cannot abide it but, for now, I will have a "prior engagement" that unfortunately cannot get out of.
Is that really what they do?!
Jesus f Christ
Is this private or public sector?
The thought of Casino having to start behind in an egg & spoon race in Regents Park because he's white - this is surely an uncalled for humiliation to rank right alongside those caused by the structural racism it is meant to highlight!
@Casino_Royale should just tell them he self-identifies as Indian due to Indian ancestry. What are these fuckers going to do then? Give him a genetic test? Check to see if he wobbles his head? Race is a social construct so it has no reality anyway, as the same Woke cranks keep telling us
This is the surreal yet inevitable endpoint of Wokeness. Everyone will self identify as African and gay so they can be first in the company egg and spoon race
Yada yada.
The relationship between you and this topic - structural racism - is an odd one indeed. It's a widely acknowledged complex problem but rather than take a pass on it - as posters do all the time on things which either don’t interest them or they can’t get their heads around – what happens is you get angry at the mere mention of it, lashing out at those who take it seriously, risibly making out that to talk about White Privilege is some mortal threat to civilisation, or in lighter vein (which isn’t actually that light) erupting into spasms of “oh god what do we call them this week then?” jocularity, seeking to trivialize the whole thing.
The term White Fragility is one I realize irritates but tough titty because it also nails a certain specific mindset and set of attitudes and we have living proof of its acuity right here.
So structural racism is a real problem, but straying into antisemitism is a vile lie?
Jews don't count.
Return to sender. Poster who said "accusations of antisemitism are always a vile lie" unknown.
Meanwhile you're banging on about "Fragility" and "structural" racism.
Who is the "Fragile" one really, when comments as mild as Trusses about "straying into" racism attract such vitriol?
Racism is Structural against every race apart from Jews it seems?
Which is it, is structural racism real including against Jews, or is racism real but uniquely Jews don't count?
Now mr @moonshine - see this here IS a "word salad".
Genuinely hard to extract any sense from it but for the record and please save this tweet:
Racism - 'structural' or otherwise - exists and it includes antisemitism and it's a bad thing.
So we're getting somewhere. Structural racism, including antisemitism exists - that is now your opinion.
In which case, surely what Truss said was eminently reasonable that antisemitism needs tackling [just as any other racism does too] and so can you acknowledge the logical end point of your train of thought and criticise the "Fragility" of those opposing what Truss said?
You still appear to be ignoring what Truss said. Your position rests on pretending Truss said something she didn’t. She made a specific claim that “woke” civil service culture “strays into antisemitism”.
In the same speech, she characterised Jewish culture in ways that some feel were stereotyping.
Absolutely and "woke" civil service culture does indeed stray into antisemitism, just as almost any "woke" rally of any kind will inevitably have antisemitic placards being waved too. She was entirely correct in everything she wrote, and the Fragile individuals who feel threatened at institutional racism being called out should get over their own Fragility.
Have I got that right, Kinabalu?
I can't separate your attempt at humour from the point you are making. Do you have any evidence of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism?
There's three examples so far been given in this thread, its up to others to argue how credible they find these complaints or not, but in general supposedly complaints about racism are supposed to be taken at the utmost level of seriousness and not be dismissed out of hand as "lies" by those who are offended by the allegations.
1. Foreign Office antisemitism that had to be pushed back against (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 2. Attempts to ban Kosher food from sale in NI (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 3. 'BDS' policies where they are instituted (example given by Truss herself).
3 examples. Now are you so confident that none of those examples ever strays into antisemitism, in any circumstances, or do you think that it is perhaps possible that sometimes it strays into antisemitism?
Are those examples of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism? To establish that, you need to show that they are or began as "wokeism" and that they stray into antisemitism.
Seems from that own source that Lewis was entirely accurate in saying that it was causing issues for Kosher food and that any attempts to call it "misleading" is a matter of perspective. So yes, Kosher food was an issue, as your own source acknowledges, and I wonder if perhaps a less antisemitic culture had been in place that this issue would have been taken with more seriousness sooner?
Lewis does not make the claim that an antisemitic culture in the civil service was delaying a solution being found. Do you have any evidence that that is the case? Come on, Bart, you're normally a serious poster who is willing to engage in issues, and not just spout silly rhetoric.
I don't know when they introduced that requirement but I know at least 2 people who graduated with me in the 90s with that degree who went on to work for PwC (or its predecessors)
73 billion a year to protect the profits of private companies. About 10p on income tax, every year. To protect the profits of private companies. Bail out the fucking bankers again while youre at it, they could do with a new city penthouse each
It'll be either that or nationalise the energy companies, which would be tricky as a lot of them won't be UK companies/
(nationalising the energy suppliers won't do anything, as they buy the energy in)
73 billion a year to protect the profits of private companies. About 10p on income tax, every year. To protect the profits of private companies. Bail out the fucking bankers again while youre at it, they could do with a new city penthouse each
It'll be either that or nationalise the energy companies, which would be tricky as a lot of them won't be UK companies/
(nationalising the energy suppliers won't do anything, as they buy the energy in)
Nationalise Aramco?
Think of it as traditional British Imperial policy…
{Mark Sykes and François Georges-Picot have entered the chat}
73 billion a year to protect the profits of private companies. About 10p on income tax, every year. To protect the profits of private companies. Bail out the fucking bankers again while youre at it, they could do with a new city penthouse each
It'll be either that or nationalise the energy companies, which would be tricky as a lot of them won't be UK companies/
(nationalising the energy suppliers won't do anything, as they buy the energy in)
They've got to get hold of the production of our energy requirements (plus food security). Its the only long term solution. The whole process of globalisation is a frigging cancer
Can Liz Truss provide evidence to back her suggestion there is "woke" culture in the civil service that "strays into antisemitism"? We asked @BrandonLewis 👇👇 #KayBurley wx
This was a fucking disgraceful allegation from Truss - and shows she is continuity Johnson. She is a liar.
There's definitely Woke culture in public infrastructure projects.
My client is holding a "power games" in Regent's Park on Wednesday evening hosted by the Unite for Race Equality network.
Have a guess as to how they'll play that.
Provide evidence there is widespread anti-Semitism in the Civil Service, she used the Jewish Community to further her political agenda.
Anti-Semitism is something we all take seriously when it is founded. Instead she made the allegation then immediately ran away.
She is an absolute disgrace - and this has made it clear for me. I will never vote Tory whilst anyone associated with her is in a position of power.
They are going to hold "egg and spoon" races, and other fun outdoor classics, but ensure that one's starting position in these races is handicapped depending on what "group" you are in - because there must always be an identity politics lesson to be imbibed. Never just neutral fun teambuilding.
For clarity, that means that a white male I would have to start behind others in the race - probably at the back - and that's the intersectionality lecture delivered.
That is Wokery and it goes on *all the time*.
At some point this is going to directly collide with my career ambitions, as I personally cannot abide it but, for now, I will have a "prior engagement" that unfortunately cannot get out of.
Is that really what they do?!
Jesus f Christ
Is this private or public sector?
The thought of Casino having to start behind in an egg & spoon race in Regents Park because he's white - this is surely an uncalled for humiliation to rank right alongside those caused by the structural racism it is meant to highlight!
@Casino_Royale should just tell them he self-identifies as Indian due to Indian ancestry. What are these fuckers going to do then? Give him a genetic test? Check to see if he wobbles his head? Race is a social construct so it has no reality anyway, as the same Woke cranks keep telling us
This is the surreal yet inevitable endpoint of Wokeness. Everyone will self identify as African and gay so they can be first in the company egg and spoon race
Yada yada.
The relationship between you and this topic - structural racism - is an odd one indeed. It's a widely acknowledged complex problem but rather than take a pass on it - as posters do all the time on things which either don’t interest them or they can’t get their heads around – what happens is you get angry at the mere mention of it, lashing out at those who take it seriously, risibly making out that to talk about White Privilege is some mortal threat to civilisation, or in lighter vein (which isn’t actually that light) erupting into spasms of “oh god what do we call them this week then?” jocularity, seeking to trivialize the whole thing.
The term White Fragility is one I realize irritates but tough titty because it also nails a certain specific mindset and set of attitudes and we have living proof of its acuity right here.
So structural racism is a real problem, but straying into antisemitism is a vile lie?
Jews don't count.
Return to sender. Poster who said "accusations of antisemitism are always a vile lie" unknown.
Meanwhile you're banging on about "Fragility" and "structural" racism.
Who is the "Fragile" one really, when comments as mild as Trusses about "straying into" racism attract such vitriol?
Racism is Structural against every race apart from Jews it seems?
Which is it, is structural racism real including against Jews, or is racism real but uniquely Jews don't count?
Now mr @moonshine - see this here IS a "word salad".
Genuinely hard to extract any sense from it but for the record and please save this tweet:
Racism - 'structural' or otherwise - exists and it includes antisemitism and it's a bad thing.
So we're getting somewhere. Structural racism, including antisemitism exists - that is now your opinion.
In which case, surely what Truss said was eminently reasonable that antisemitism needs tackling [just as any other racism does too] and so can you acknowledge the logical end point of your train of thought and criticise the "Fragility" of those opposing what Truss said?
You still appear to be ignoring what Truss said. Your position rests on pretending Truss said something she didn’t. She made a specific claim that “woke” civil service culture “strays into antisemitism”.
In the same speech, she characterised Jewish culture in ways that some feel were stereotyping.
Absolutely and "woke" civil service culture does indeed stray into antisemitism, just as almost any "woke" rally of any kind will inevitably have antisemitic placards being waved too. She was entirely correct in everything she wrote, and the Fragile individuals who feel threatened at institutional racism being called out should get over their own Fragility.
Have I got that right, Kinabalu?
I can't separate your attempt at humour from the point you are making. Do you have any evidence of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism?
There's three examples so far been given in this thread, its up to others to argue how credible they find these complaints or not, but in general supposedly complaints about racism are supposed to be taken at the utmost level of seriousness and not be dismissed out of hand as "lies" by those who are offended by the allegations.
1. Foreign Office antisemitism that had to be pushed back against (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 2. Attempts to ban Kosher food from sale in NI (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier). 3. 'BDS' policies where they are instituted (example given by Truss herself).
3 examples. Now are you so confident that none of those examples ever strays into antisemitism, in any circumstances, or do you think that it is perhaps possible that sometimes it strays into antisemitism?
Are those examples of "woke civil service culture" straying into antisemitism? To establish that, you need to show that they are or began as "wokeism" and that they stray into antisemitism.
Seems from that own source that Lewis was entirely accurate in saying that it was causing issues for Kosher food and that any attempts to call it "misleading" is a matter of perspective. So yes, Kosher food was an issue, as your own source acknowledges, and I wonder if perhaps a less antisemitic culture had been in place that this issue would have been taken with more seriousness sooner?
Lewis does not make the claim that an antisemitic culture in the civil service was delaying a solution being found. Do you have any evidence that that is the case? Come on, Bart, you're normally a serious poster who is willing to engage in issues, and not just spout silly rhetoric.
Nobody said that there is an antisemitic culture, they said a culture that sometimes strays into antisemitism and sometimes is too much.
Under the principles of "institutional racism" if Jews are being institutionally discriminated against then that is institutional racism. Antisemitism. If elements of Civil Service culture were straying into preventing solutions to the institutional racism being found, perhaps because they're not considering concerns being raised by Jews as a priority then that is an issue.
This shouldn't need explaining any more than it should need explaining that the Met sometimes has issues it needs to face, or any other institution can. The notion that there is sometimes antisemitism in the Civil Service and that needs tackling when it happens, shouldn't be as shocking or objected to as the notion there is sometimes other forms of racism too.
This is just 'Jews don't count', once more. Had black/gay/Muslim/any other been said instead of Jews many of the same people ferociously objecting would be nodding along sagely.
I don't know when they introduced that requirement but I know at least 2 people who graduated with me in the 90s with that degree who went on to work for PwC (or its predecessors)
If it carries on like this, HY will be able to get a job there…
Mr. kinabalu, the hypocrisy was and remains amusing, as amusing as it is alarming.
A drunken fool's ideology that promotes racist nonsense is wretched whether it's bigoted against whites or Jews, or Koreans, or all three. Or blacks, Arabs, and Japanese.
There are some crass and counterproductive aspects to antiracist thinking and activism- this I can well see. Indeed thanks to Leon we get most of them copied onto here for our perusal and scorn.
What doesn't get copied in quite so much - in fact at all - are any of the countless depressing little incidents in everyday life that are driven by racism, conscious or unconscious, overt or latent, structural or freelance.
What I genuinely cannot relate to about what you (and tbf several other right wing inclined posters on here) bring to this whole topic is how you are way more concerned about those aforesaid excesses of antiracism than you are about the thing it seeks to highlight and combat - racism.
This is the problem with you guys from where I'm sitting.
The problem with you, the ENORMOUS problem with you, is that you are up yourself, so glistening with the slime of moral self regard, you fail to see that Wokeness is taking a fucking wrecking ball to the Enlightenment, and also encouraging and cementing the racial divisions you pretend to worry about . Perhaps it is because you simply don't care? I do not think you are that callous. I think it is because you are actually quite stupid, and narrow minded, as we have established, on here, passim
Yawn. Same old same old. Not just the sentiments but the language - almost right down to the actual words. You think of yourself as a freewheeling original with eclectic ‘impossible to pigeonhole’ opinions yet your views on whatever crops up on any particular PB day, and how you express them, are amongst the most predictable on here. I mean, if we got ‘AI’ on the job you’d be one of the first products off the delivery line and it’d be a damn fine one.
I think everyone should post in the style of Leon for the rest of the day. I'm sure it's harder than it looks - a line I imagine Leon will have heard before.
That would be quite the experiment!
But I must be away. My gym beckons and the frisson will be building down there as they await.
Then a G&T or three and as for this evening - who knows? It's a blank canvas on which I have yet to lay my brush.
Brace.
And Laters.
I nominate this for the Worst Leon Impression Ever. And I should know, having endured @LadyG and @Mysticrose
I thought the universities only awarded 1sts and the occasional 2.1 these days?
Just lie about it anyway. No one ever checks.
Not one in my entire knapping career has anyone ever asked what grade of degree I got (a 2:2 as it happens). Indeed I'm not sure I've ever been asked, that much, if I even have a degree
This has been useful, as about a term into my degree I decided that I didn't care what degree I got, so I did zero work (hence the 2:2)
Very interesting thread (and associated article) from Neil O’Brien MP in which he notes that the “Johnson government” actually increased immigration, seemingly by swapping Europeans with those from poorer countries “who pay less tax”.
"Sean" sounds like a fantastic guy though, does he not post any more? I have noticed this site fall into wokeism very rapidly which is sad to see. I sometimes travel through Waterloo Station and see these awful signs telling me not to be racist. I find this difficult because actually I am racist. I also hate women.
I've many times ranted to the SWR Twitter account, they have blocked me which is just the latest round of cancel culture. Really is despicable.
I don't know when they introduced that requirement but I know at least 2 people who graduated with me in the 90s with that degree who went on to work for PwC (or its predecessors)
If it carries on like this, HY will be able to get a job there…
Boston Children’s Hospital seems to be the US version of the Tavistock clinic. Their marketing videos talk about "gender affirming hysterectomies" and say that a child playing with the opposite gender's toys is a sign of being trans.
I really do think that children can have an appreciation of the racist legacy of western colonialism - inc the notion of white privilege - without becoming so crippled with personal guilt that they can't tie their own shoelaces.
They shouldn't feel or be taught any personal guilt whatsoever. The sins of the fathers or, in this case, the multiple great-grandfathers, are not visited on the sons. This was the whole basis of Christian anti-semitism. It was wrong when applied to Jews. It is wrong when applied to people now who have no responsibility whatsoever for what people in previous centuries did or did not do.
True but only 50% of the picture. Black people have no right to white guilt but they do have a right to the truth; there is a reason why holocaust denial is a crime. Slavery denial OTOH is routine, because its victims are a bit smaller and further away, and harder to see in the dark. It was the defining institution of its age and the basis of the rise of this country and the USA to world domination. Lying about this is wrong.
There are people in the USA who will argue that slavery was a benign institution. I don't think there's anyone (outside of the lunatic fringe) who would argue that in the UK.
Well..
'The much-anticipated report from the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities says that there is “a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain.”'
Boston Children’s Hospital seems to be the US version of the Tavistock clinic. Their marketing videos talk about "gender affirming hysterectomies" and say that a child playing with the opposite gender's toys is a sign of being trans.
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I think Sir R. dabbled in other marques (I have a vague memory of him road testing a Hesketh) but Beemers were always his first love.
Dry here but just been upgraded to amber warning which is exciting
I'm still waiting for somebody to top Sean's famous drunken rant, 'I don't give a tankard of warm donkey spunk what you think of me.'
Here is the picture from the balcony
Greece of course is home to the Enlightenment, which is my favourite thing apart from SEX. Soon to be consigned to history by the crazed woke left of the cultural Marxist politically correct brigade. They won't be happy until everyone has their own pronoun and all the HOT TEENS self-identity as Chairman Mao or a dog and all the statues of white men have been melted down to make egg cups for Muslim rape gangs. It's quite sad really that you can't see this
I could continue, just to enrage all the bitter remoaners of the hideous woke left who keep losing elections because they are FUCKING MORONS but also control everything and need to be purged. But it's getting boring and so Get Tae Fuck
The Ceaucescu gold taps revelation is just weeks away….
1. It's just started thundering here; no sign of rain but there are rumbles around.
2. Someone asked up-thread why, if God loved the Jews why the Arabs had all the oil? I understand the reason is that when Moses crossed the Red Sea he turned to the Israelites and said "Turn left"; if they'd turned right……
'The much-anticipated report from the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities says that there is “a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain.”'
https://tinyurl.com/2p9ext2y
How could any dog owner be so cruel
1. Foreign Office antisemitism that had to be pushed back against (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier).
2. Attempts to ban Kosher food from sale in NI (example given by Brandon Lewis in the clip earlier).
3. 'BDS' policies where they are instituted (example given by Truss herself).
3 examples. Now are you so confident that none of those examples ever strays into antisemitism, in any circumstances, or do you think that it is perhaps possible that sometimes it strays into antisemitism?
The dog was on an incredibly long one of those reel in leads. Being the tidal Thames, the dog got swept past the boat and tangled up. Managed to untangle…
Am I right in thinking that having a dog on lead like that when it goes swimming is pretty dangerous for the dog?
I've many times ranted to the SWR Twitter account, they have blocked me which is just the latest round of cancel culture. Really is despicable.
We won't all be much happier. You will.
And making you happy isn't worth the loss of lunch pictures from around the globe.
Soz n that.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/14/cats-kill-birds-wildlife-keep-indoors
Amongst the usual holocaust on wildlife and other issues, there is an interesting argument that cats are a much bigger animal welfare problem than culling badgers or hunting foxes on horseback.
Either the estimates are miles off, or this is all over bar the counting already.
Useful comparison chart to other proposals here -
https://twitter.com/DrSimEvans/status/1559166816580239360
My apologies, I am coming to the thread late, but Lewis's earlier comments about kosher food in NI had nothing to do with "woke civil service culture". https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2022/07/18/news/claims_protocol_is_stopping_jewish_people_in_the_north_from_practising_their_religion_branded_as_misleading_-2774372/ fact-checks his earlier comments.
Edit: to be clear, Lewis is accusing the EU of antisemitism. His accusation has nothing to do with civil service culture. His accusation that the EU is being antisemitic is, at best, dubious, but that's beside the point. He's not talking about "woke civil service culture".
Last night through my BEDROOM window I saw a massive light
SOON they will come down and already the Government is in denial mode
Not much longer to wait now Area 51 is certainly true
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62547303
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62546469
Bail out the fucking bankers again while youre at it, they could do with a new city penthouse each
(nationalising the energy suppliers won't do anything, as they buy the energy in)
Think of it as traditional British Imperial policy…
{Mark Sykes and François Georges-Picot have entered the chat}
Under the principles of "institutional racism" if Jews are being institutionally discriminated against then that is institutional racism. Antisemitism. If elements of Civil Service culture were straying into preventing solutions to the institutional racism being found, perhaps because they're not considering concerns being raised by Jews as a priority then that is an issue.
This shouldn't need explaining any more than it should need explaining that the Met sometimes has issues it needs to face, or any other institution can. The notion that there is sometimes antisemitism in the Civil Service and that needs tackling when it happens, shouldn't be as shocking or objected to as the notion there is sometimes other forms of racism too.
This is just 'Jews don't count', once more. Had black/gay/Muslim/any other been said instead of Jews many of the same people ferociously objecting would be nodding along sagely.
Absolute schoolboy error.
This has been useful, as about a term into my degree I decided that I didn't care what degree I got, so I did zero work (hence the 2:2)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/6/newsid_2538000/2538623.stm
The only good thing about the 70s was that I was decades younger. We look set to repeat, without that consolation.
https://twitter.com/neildotobrien/status/1559058038736277506?s=21&t=OEra92fTH5N3oYqK1xwnMg
I don’t know how this squares with the labour shortages. You could argue we now have the “worst of both worlds”.
https://www.twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1558669742126223361
https://www.twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1557775959217950725
Indeed, this imposter @Leon is a poor imitation of the lamented @SeanT .
Lovely place, very chilled.
You’d never guess it was a hotbed of gender affirming hysterectomy.