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  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    What are the chances of Truss enacting economic policies that actually make the situation worse re. Inflation?

    Pretty likely if she goes in head first on tax cuts, no?

    Most likely would be if she gets into (or, to be more precise, fails to get us out of) a stupid fight with the EU. Tax cuts could also be a problem. In both cases the immediate mechanism would be via the exchange rate.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744

    Yes, thank-you.

    Leon will perhaps now pull-out the bit where I said that British soil was less propitious than European competitors, but more basically I just mean that they can grow quite a lot of produce in Europe that the UK cannot.

    And when I say UK, I mean the whole country not just the Thames Valley, Kent and East Anglia.
    You mean I might actually quote you "accurately and in full". What a fiend I am

    You're a dorkus of the porkus morkus. You have some deep aversion to Brexit Britain which means that you always err on the side of Britain is Worse or Britain is Shitter than the EU whenever there is some dispute, or some vagueness in your head (often)

    You can see the same psycho-process at work with @Richard_Nabavi and the rest of the PB Remoaners

    It is Strasbourg Syndrome and the sooner it goes away, the better

    And now I must hie to Gordon's Wine Bar for drinks with a mate. Later
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,781
    Leon said:

    If Boris is canny (he can be) he will do two volumes

    1. The political story

    2. The emotional stuff (later)

    Then a condensed version combining both. I can see him making £5-10m from these books alone, worldwide
    It's just dawned on me what you're doing. You're making a bid to ghost write, or co-write, Boris's account, aren't you? "The life and exciting times of the greatest Prime Minister ever", or something, with witty anecdotes, and the sex scenes, provided and exaggerated by Leon.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,844
    edited July 2022

    What’s the point? He’ll just rejoin as somebody else anyway
    Both @Xipe and @Orka are still available to him...
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,781
    Jonathan said:

    May I suggest a title.

    Vol 1: Wiffle
    Vol 2: Piffle
    Excellent!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    What is tea gate photo?

    I've been busy today so only been online since 3.55pm.
    https://twitter.com/EmilyThornberry/status/1549766440944795648

    good point actually
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Jonathan said:

    It’s delightful that Labour are getting their act together. Not before time.
    No answer to the question, I note.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,744
    Jonathan said:

    May I suggest a title.

    Vol 1: Wiffle
    Vol 2: Piffle
    That's good!
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785
    Leon said:

    If Boris is canny (he can be) he will do two volumes

    1. The political story

    2. The emotional stuff (later)

    Then a condensed version combining both. I can see him making £5-10m from these books alone, worldwide
    No body cares. He is no longer PM. Just rejoice at that news, people. The lying, fat, incompetent slime ball is no longer our PM. Even Truss will not be such an embarrassment. I know she will try, but she cannot come close.

    The Clown is (politically) dead. Long live the slightly less clownish!
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Leon said:

    You have some deep aversion to Brexit Britain which means that you always err on the side of Britain is Worse or Britain is Shitter than the EU whenever there is some dispute, or some vagueness in your head (often)

    You can see the same psycho-process at work with @Richard_Nabavi and the rest of the PB Remoaners

    Citation needed, please. If you are going to cast nasturtiums on me, at least get them accurate.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,105
    eek said:

    Given the tax cut she is planning to make the impact will be on corporate investment which will be binned by companies in a desire to maximise short term profits.
    How does Truss justify slashing corporate tax rates for big business during what will be a cost of living crisis? So many fascinating questions for our new overlord
  • UnpopularUnpopular Posts: 913
    Leon said:

    If Boris is canny (he can be) he will do two volumes

    1. The political story

    2. The emotional stuff (later)

    Then a condensed version combining both. I can see him making £5-10m from these books alone, worldwide
    Could you believe a word of it, though? I'd be more interested in him getting the Caro treatment.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    It's just dawned on me what you're doing. You're making a bid to ghost write, or co-write, Boris's account, aren't you? "The life and exciting times of the greatest Prime Minister ever", or something, with witty anecdotes, and the sex scenes, provided and exaggerated by Leon.
    And the exercise physiology and muscular tone provided by Bartholomew Roberts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546
    It was fine. But playing up his experience won't work - Truss has more experience - and so the 'I can beat Starmer' is his only card. Expect to hear it a lot.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,464
    edited July 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    It's a shock to visit American supermarkets and see how expensive and difficult it is to get what would count as standard food in the UK.
    It depends....Walmart ripped the legs out of a lot of places, but certain parts of the US there are excellent supermarkters e.g. Publix in the south has 1200 stores and is just as good as a Waitrose without really being more expensive than most supermarkets in the US...as is obvious Whole Foods (but that is silly expensive).
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    You aren't exactly the target market, are you?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,076

    1922 committee put out a photo of them having tea and Nus Ghani was the one pouring it. And of course certain parts of lefty twitter have got all funny about it the fact an ethnic minority woman was the one doing it.
    Wasn't the scandal that hit the Rutles, due to them admitting to drinking tea?
    Come to think Rishi Sunak could be Stig O'Hara
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    No body cares. He is no longer PM. Just rejoice at that news, people. The lying, fat, incompetent slime ball is no longer our PM. Even Truss will not be such an embarrassment. I know she will try, but she cannot come close.

    The Clown is (politically) dead. Long live the slightly less clownish!
    This is a very good point. Either of the two final candidates will be a big improvement on Boris (the lowest bar ever raised, admittedly). I shall have a decent vintage champagne ready for the moment when we're finally rid of him.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,844
    Driver said:

    Great, they can criticise the government.

    Why should I vote for them?
    To flip it the other way, why should you vote for the Tories? Whilst I agree that Labour have got to show us the goods, there should be an inbuilt "can't vote for this clown car government" bias in most of us by now. Surely.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,366

    It depends....Walmart ripped the legs out of a lot of places, but certain parts of the US there are excellent supermarkters e.g. Publix in the south has 1200 stores and is just as good as a Waitrose without really being more expensive than most supermarkets in the US...as is obvious Whole Foods (but that is silly expensive).
    Groceries in Los Angeles - admittedly not helped by the weakness of the Pound - are very much more expensive than the UK or Europe.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 29,844
    Jonathan said:

    May I suggest a title.

    Vol 1: Wiffle
    Vol 2: Piffle
    Abridged Combined volume: A Wiffle Bit of Piffle.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,464
    edited July 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    Groceries in Los Angeles - admittedly not helped by the weakness of the Pound - are very much more expensive than the UK or Europe.
    LA is stupidly expensive for most things.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,366
    Leon said:

    You what? I like Kiwis. Don't be daft

    And I will respect the will of the mods. If they think you are allowed to comment on Britain despite - to my mind - showing remarkable, insufferable ignorance of it - then fair enough. Knock yourself out
    Remind me what you accused me of on the eve of the 2019 General Election.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785

    It's just dawned on me what you're doing. You're making a bid to ghost write, or co-write, Boris's account, aren't you? "The life and exciting times of the greatest Prime Minister ever", or something, with witty anecdotes, and the sex scenes, provided and exaggerated by Leon.
    There will be a whole chapter dedicated to masturbation, and how Boris Johnson consulted with him on how to reduce his reliance.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    edited July 2022

    To flip it the other way, why should you vote for the Tories? Whilst I agree that Labour have got to show us the goods, there should be an inbuilt "can't vote for this clown car government" bias in most of us by now. Surely.
    That's also part of the equation, but it's not a question for a Labour supporter to answer. And in any case I don't expect the Tory GE campaign to boil down to "we aren't Labour".

    That said, we are getting a new government in about 6 weeks time so we'll have a couple of years to judge the new PM by their actions.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,658
    IshmaelZ said:

    https://twitter.com/EmilyThornberry/status/1549766440944795648

    good point actually
    My word.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited July 2022

    Citation needed, please. If you are going to cast nasturtiums on me, at least get them accurate.
    I doubt I’ve ever seen a more slam dunk case of psychological projection than @Leon.

    He comes on here, usually in his cups, to persuade himself that he didn’t do a very silly thing in 2016.

    As others have pointed out, he’s often the first person to mention the “B” word in threads.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    An important consideration: is Rishi taller than Liz?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,781
    kle4 said:

    It was fine. But playing up his experience won't work - Truss has more experience - and so the 'I can beat Starmer' is his only card. Expect to hear it a lot.
    At the moment, Sunak should be talking about what he's going to do (if he beats Truss) in short order to sort out the mess that the country is in.

    Instead, in the interviews I've seen, all he's saying is "I'm the only one that can beat Starmer".

    Pretty poor, I reckon.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,464
    Anti-Vaxxers have stormed Charing Cross police station in Central London.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546

    My word.
    It is a funny situation. I mean, I know people overinterpret things, but did not one of them think even for a second how it might look to an unkind eye?
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560

    An important consideration: is Rishi taller than Liz?

    Per Google, Sunak 5'6"; Truss 5'3".
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785

    What’s the point? He’ll just rejoin as somebody else anyway
    I never thought of this before. @Leon is the ultimate closet rejoiner
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560

    At the moment, Sunak should be talking about what he's going to do (if he beats Truss) in short order to sort out the mess that the country is in.

    Instead, in the interviews I've seen, all he's saying is "I'm the only one that can beat Starmer".

    Pretty poor, I reckon.
    Yes, that's worrying. I'm more interested in the next two years than the four or five after that. Starmer isn't Corbyn.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    His problem is that he voted Leave expecting Remain would win, and he's angry and impotent about the shit show he's unleashed, rather than blame himself he'll blame everybody who pointed Leave would be sub-optimal the way Leave campaigned.

    I think the angst is causing Leon to have Brexit related impotence.
    Actually the impotence theory would explain a lot.

    Like the time he seemed to develop an erotic obsession, somewhere in the Aegean, with an elderly lady who wore a plastic bag on her head.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,785

    Anti-Vaxxers have stormed Charing Cross police station in Central London.

    Is that where the thick twats think the centre of government is? Even Trump supporters aren't that stupid
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    How does Truss justify slashing corporate tax rates for big business during what will be a cost of living crisis? So many fascinating questions for our new overlord
    She’s not proposing to cut corporation tax - she’s proposing to cancel Sunak’s rise from 19% to 25%, scheduled for next year.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    If Sean writes it, the political and personal memoir will share the same title….

    “Boris Johnson, how I fucked a country”
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Driver said:

    Per Google, Sunak 5'6"; Truss 5'3".
    Folks, put your money on Sunak.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Anti-Vaxxers have stormed Charing Cross police station in Central London.

    “Anti-Vaxxers” are still a thing?
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Err, Penny Mordaunt seems to think she's through to the next round:

    https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1549771956760842242
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,781
    edited July 2022

    My word.
    Just shown that photo to my wife. She said "it must be a spoof". I said "I don't think it is". She exploded. Possibly trivial, but ye gods - five men in suits being poured tea by a diminutive woman doesn't look very modern.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,464

    Is that where the thick twats think the centre of government is? Even Trump supporters aren't that stupid
    I presume they got a tip off the plod were forcibly vaccinating kid or something.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,936

    Anti-Vaxxers have stormed Charing Cross police station in Central London.

    All our yesterdays.
    Anti-vaxxers.
    Police Stations.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    I think people are over-analysing that blah clip of Rishi.

    Expect more blah.

    He is the blah candidate, the honourable member for blah-on-meh.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    Sandpit said:

    She’s not proposing to cut corporation tax - she’s proposing to cancel Sunak’s rise from 19% to 25%, scheduled for next year.
    In any case, businesses don't really pay corporation tax. It turns into either higher prices paid by their customers, or lower expenditure on things like staff wages.

    "Tax big business" is one of those things that's much easier to say than to do.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Driver said:

    Per Google, Sunak 5'6"; Truss 5'3".
    Audience member in next hustings: "How far away are they?"
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    Just shown that photo to my wife. She said "it must be a spoof". I said "I don't think it is". She exploded. Possibly trivial, but ye gods - men in suits being poured tea by a diminutive woman doesn't look very modern.
    The 1922 committee not modern, no that’s not possible.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546
    These are genuinely good suggestions for Boris's memoires, and I hope he goes for one of them.

    I mean, look at this shower of boring titles

    John Major: The Autobiography by John Major
    For the Record by David Cameron
    A Journey by Tony Blair
    My Life, Our Times by Gordon Brown
    Maragaret Thatcher: The Autobiography by Margaret Thatcher (In fairness the write up says this is a combo edition of The Path to Power and the Downing Street Years)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,658
    kle4 said:

    It is a funny situation. I mean, I know people overinterpret things, but did not one of them think even for a second how it might look to an unkind eye?
    Sometimes these situations happen when nobody has a bigoted bone in their body.

    I remember a few years ago I drove 4 white friends to a football match when the other four suggested it, I joked and said

    'Alright, just because I'm a Paki doesn't mean I have to be a taxi driver'

    They felt so bad, the reality was I don't drink, and they did, and I have a larger vehicle, so it was obvious I would be driving us to the match, I felt grateful as I had got an unused ticket from one of the guy's brother who wasn't going.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,516
    kle4 said:

    These are genuinely good suggestions for Boris's memoires, and I hope he goes for one of them.

    I mean, look at this shower of boring titles

    John Major: The Autobiography by John Major
    For the Record by David Cameron
    A Journey by Tony Blair
    My Life, Our Times by Gordon Brown
    Maragaret Thatcher: The Autobiography by Margaret Thatcher (In fairness the write up says this is a combo edition of The Path to Power and the Downing Street Years)

    The best titles were Lawson, Howe and Butler.

    The first being the best because it contained a really clever pun.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302

    Err, Penny Mordaunt seems to think she's through to the next round:

    https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1549771956760842242

    Campaign for Tory Leader 2024 starts now.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,841
    kle4 said:

    These are genuinely good suggestions for Boris's memoires, and I hope he goes for one of them.

    I mean, look at this shower of boring titles

    John Major: The Autobiography by John Major
    For the Record by David Cameron
    A Journey by Tony Blair
    My Life, Our Times by Gordon Brown
    Maragaret Thatcher: The Autobiography by Margaret Thatcher (In fairness the write up says this is a combo edition of The Path to Power and the Downing Street Years)

    Boris Johnson - The Truth (At Last) :D
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    Campaign for Tory Leader 2024 starts now.
    Maybe for leader in 2023?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,010
    edited July 2022

    Err, Penny Mordaunt seems to think she's through to the next round:

    https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1549771956760842242

    Perhaps she thinks Truss will beat Rishi, fall flat on her face, Labour will get a 15 to 20% poll lead and Tory MPs will then VONC Truss and elect her by coronation by next autumn in blind panic?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,464
    edited July 2022

    Sometimes these situations happen when nobody has a bigoted bone in their body.

    I remember a few years ago I drove 4 white friends to a football match when the other four suggested it, I joked and said

    'Alright, just because I'm a Paki doesn't mean I have to be a taxi driver'

    They felt so bad, the reality was I don't drink, and they did, and I have a larger vehicle, so it was obvious I would be driving us to the match, I felt grateful as I had got an unused ticket from one of the guy's brother who wasn't going.
    The fact the MPs then went and voted an ethnic minority and a woman as choice to be the next PM.....as well as the overall candidates were extremely diverse...if that is what matters to people.

    I doesn't matter to me, but it seems to have gone rather unremarked that we could have our first ethnic minority PM or third woman to do the job...when Obama was in the running for POTUS that is all anybody talked about.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Campaign for Tory Leader 2024 starts now.
    #TeamKemi
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295

    Just shown that photo to my wife. She said "it must be a spoof". I said "I don't think it is". She exploded. Possibly trivial, but ye gods - five men in suits being poured tea by a diminutive woman doesn't look very modern.
    Maybe Nus Ghani is pouring the tea because Nus Ghani wanted to pour the tea.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    GIN1138 said:

    Boris Johnson - The Truth (At Last) :D
    Boris Johnson - a work related event.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546
    Driver said:

    Per Google, Sunak 5'6"; Truss 5'3".
    Triumph of the short politician strikes again.

    Mordaunt is prettier than Sunak and the same height apparently, so perhaps he did lend to Liz after all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,516
    Jonathan said:

    Boris Johnson - a work related event.
    Boris Johnson - the time I blew it.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,560
    kle4 said:

    It is a funny situation. I mean, I know people overinterpret things, but did not one of them think even for a second how it might look to an unkind eye?
    Probably not, why would they? If you don't spend all your time engaging in divisive identity politics you tend to just see people as people.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited July 2022
    ydoethur said:

    Boris Johnson - the time I blew it.
    No, that’s Carrie’s.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,516

    No, that’s Carrie’s.
    Emphasis on 'I'!
  • We already have a blah candidate.

    He's called Keir Starmer.

    The problem is that Rishi has to defend 13 years of failure. He's got the Gordon Brown problem.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Nus Ghani is pouring the tea because Nus Ghani wanted to pour the tea.
    Yes maybe, no one is suggesting they forced her, but images can still look bad

    Remember this one of man of the people Brown?


  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Mr Blobby’s House Party.
    By Boris Johnson with Noel Edmonds.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    HYUFD said:

    Perhaps she thinks Truss will beat Rishi, fall flat on her face, Labour will get a 15 to 20% poll lead and Tory MPs will then VONC Truss and elect her by coronation by next autumn in blind panic?
    I read that Rishi is trimming a bit on tax and Net Zero.

    He won't have to trim that much to be in with a strong chance, surely. Its not over.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,862
    Sandpit said:

    Mrs Sandpit: “I miss Boris” 🇺🇦

    Let’s hope the new PM, no matter who, continues our wholehearted support for the Ukrainians.

    I'm sure they will, but I'm not taking Johnson's resignation for granted. He will be looking all summer for a way to stay.

    On the subject of Ukraine, Johnson has used Ukraine as much as Ukraine has benefited from Johnson's support.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,658

    The fact the MPs then went and voted an ethnic minority and a woman as choice to be the next PM.....as well as the overall candidates were extremely diverse...if that is what matters to people.

    I doesn't matter to me, but it seems to have gone rather unremarked that we could have our first ethnic minority PM or third woman to do the job...when Obama was in the running for POTUS that is all anybody talked about.
    I think the Obama thing was more important for the Americans than Sunak is for us Brits.

    We've never had anything approaching segregation or Jim Crow, so to go from that in circa 40 years to a black man as POTUS is a pretty big deal.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,516

    Mr Blobby’s House Party.
    By Boris Johnson with Noel Edmonds.

    How I led my Country and my Work-Related Event to catastrophe.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,781
    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe Nus Ghani is pouring the tea because Nus Ghani wanted to pour the tea.
    Yes, I'm sure that's true; I'll bet she volunteered before any of the chaps.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546
    edited July 2022
    Driver said:

    Probably not, why would they? If you don't spend all your time engaging in divisive identity politics you tend to just see people as people.
    Oh please, people call out identity politics on here all the time, me included, but even if people do not think that way they can know that others do, that's why I specified an unkind eye. Am I to believe they're not bright enough to get that?

    This is a 'they're idiots' defence, with the regular (false) assumption that anyone who does a double take at the image must be politically motivated.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,516
    MISTY said:

    I read that Rishi is trimming a bit on tax and Net Zero.

    He won't have to trim that much to be in with a strong chance, surely. Its not over.
    Both are flawed candidates.

    Sunak's flaws make you wish he was not a candidate.

    Truss' flaws make you hope they vote for whoever is the other candidate.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    edited July 2022
    kle4 said:

    These are genuinely good suggestions for Boris's memoires, and I hope he goes for one of them.

    I mean, look at this shower of boring titles

    John Major: The Autobiography by John Major
    For the Record by David Cameron
    A Journey by Tony Blair
    My Life, Our Times by Gordon Brown
    Maragaret Thatcher: The Autobiography by Margaret Thatcher (In fairness the write up says this is a combo edition of The Path to Power and the Downing Street Years)

    Anything by John Major is knocked into oblivion by the unconscious masterpiece of comic writing by his brother "Major, Major". ('I defy strong men not to weep' John Wells.).

    It is in the tradition of Augustus Carp, only without knowing it.

    BTW by and large people who can govern can't write and vice versa. Thankfully most can do neither.

    On the whole being able to govern at a high level seems to require a startling degree of lack of insight or imagination and an ego that gets in the way of being interesting.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Andy_JS said:

    It's a shock to visit American supermarkets and see how expensive and difficult it is to get what would count as standard food in the UK.
    Mushy peas? Candied eels? Spotted dick? You may have a point!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    Boris Johnson: My Part in His Downfall.
    By Boris Johnson.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,464
    edited July 2022

    I think the Obama thing was more important for the Americans than Sunak is for us Brits.

    We've never had anything approaching segregation or Jim Crow, so to go from that in circa 40 years to a black man as POTUS is a pretty big deal.
    That's certainly true....but I have this sneaking suspicion if Rishi had more of the "correct" views for your Guardianista types they would be making a bigger deal of Sunak not being white, rather than making rather racist sounding tweets about brown people.

    I personally think it is a positive of the UK that I think it will be only a tiny minority of people whose vote will be determined by thinking I am not voting Sunak because he isn't white (or if it had been Kemi) or that Truss is a woman.

    It will be the more classic reasons that he is a rich posho or the modern take of that woman is a mad Brexit supporter....
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,302

    The fact the MPs then went and voted an ethnic minority and a woman as choice to be the next PM.....as well as the overall candidates were extremely diverse...if that is what matters to people.

    I doesn't matter to me, but it seems to have gone rather unremarked that we could have our first ethnic minority PM or third woman to do the job...when Obama was in the running for POTUS that is all anybody talked about.
    I must admit it is good to see that the country will either have its third female leader or first ethnic minority leader in a few weeks time. Appreciate the candidates are not to everyone’s liking but I think this can be celebrated.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,658

    Yes, I'm sure that's true; I'll bet she volunteered before any of the chaps.
    I've shown that picture to my mother her take on it.

    White men/people cannot make tea properly, it is inevitable that that the Pakistani heritage person offered to make the tea before anyone else did.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,516

    Boris Johnson: My Part in His Downfall.
    By Boris Johnson.

    The amazing thing is, quite contrary to what we all expected, it can't be called 'My Parts Caused My Downfall.'
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546

    The fact the MPs then went and voted an ethnic minority and a woman as choice to be the next PM.....as well as the overall candidates were extremely diverse...if that is what matters to people.

    I doesn't matter to me, but it seems to have gone rather unremarked that we could have our first ethnic minority PM or third woman to do the job...when Obama was in the running for POTUS that is all anybody talked about.
    It's had a bit of focus among commentators, since it is notable, but as you say it has really not seemed to feature much among general discussion.

    I'm sure it would get a lot of coverage if Sunak wins, as a significant moment, but it doesn't feel like it will feature as a selling point or a negative point.

    Which is quite encouraging.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,346
    IshmaelZ said:

    Not straightforward. Consensus view seems to be: holocaust worst thing any group of people has ever done to another ever, no exceptions; triangular trade a minor blemish (if even that, judged by the standards of its time) on the record of the Greatest Force For Good And Civilization In All Of History, Do You Hear Me? If I were black I think I'd be noticing that one crime was white on white, and one not.
    Then the question should have been: "Can you think of a black mathematician?"

    If that is what they wanted, then the question was ill-formed, as a pre-war Jewish woman in Germany who contributed theorems to maths (*) *is* diverse, as in she was unusual from the norm.

    (*) Ones even I have heard of, even if I couldn't explain them...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,516

    I've shown that picture to my mother her take on it.

    White men/people cannot make tea properly, it is inevitable that that the Pakistani heritage person offered to make the tea before anyone else did.
    Oi! Some of us make brilliant tea.

    Admittedly my grandmother was from China. I don't know if that makes a difference.

    But even my other grandmother always let me pour the tea. She wouldn't yield it to anyone else, but she said I was just too good.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546

    Sometimes these situations happen when nobody has a bigoted bone in their body.
    I don't doubt it. I've no reason to suppose any of them are bigoted. It's just the imagery which is striking. If she were a taller woman even if would not have the same impact.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    As someone points out zoom in and you'll see that it is water coming from the pot.

    The bizarre combination of thought and lack of thought that has been put into the photo is a trip.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546
    edited July 2022

    I think people are over-analysing that blah clip of Rishi.

    Expect more blah.

    He is the blah candidate, the honourable member for blah-on-meh.

    I'd be down for Rishi vs Keir, blah vs meh.

    Ed Davey could be hmph
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,516
    boulay said:

    Atlas Shagged

    He's mapped out his next chapter...
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,781
    edited July 2022

    I've shown that picture to my mother her take on it.

    White men/people cannot make tea properly, it is inevitable that that the Pakistani heritage person offered to make the tea before anyone else did.
    Ha. So you think that Nus actually made the tea, rather than just pouring it? Nah, it was made by some underling, of unknown heritage, on minimum wage in the Commons tea room. Surely your mother worked that out?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,471
    Evening all :)

    The heat may have gone but its impacts on our transport infrastructure have not and for those who wave away events like yesterday, the truth is much of our national infrastructure buckled in the heat and if next time's hot spell lasts 5 days rather than two there will be very serious issues.

    Rail travel today hasn't been smooth - no Thameslink services north of Blackfriars early on, in fact just a half hourly to Brighton though signs by 9am the service was starting to recover slowly. This afternoon, cattle on the track and track circuit failures basically knocked out the service south of the river.

    Southern were also suffering this morning with delays and lots of train faults but slowly improving. To be fair, the Underground, apart from the "cancellations" caused by staff shortages, weren't having a bad day.

    Train operators such as LNER and Avanti were claiming major damage to infrastructure from the heat and with Shapps admitting the bill to strengthen the infrastructure to protect against extreme heat events will run into the billions (don't worry, we won't be able to go anywhere but we'll still have some nice tax cuts) it would be nice to see Sunak or Truss concede there's a problem (the next extreme heat event will be in the next five years and be more severe than this) and offer some serious thought as to mitigation.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    Driver said:

    Probably not, why would they? If you don't spend all your time engaging in divisive identity politics you tend to just see people as people.
    Mrs Doyle is envious.

  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,154

    Boris Johnson: My Part in His Downfall.
    By Boris Johnson.

    Unfortunately Chinua Achebe got there first with “Things fall apart”.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,516
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    The heat may have gone but its impacts on our transport infrastructure have not and for those who wave away events like yesterday, the truth is much of our national infrastructure buckled in the heat and if next time's hot spell lasts 5 days rather than two there will be very serious issues.

    Rail travel today hasn't been smooth - no Thameslink services north of Blackfriars early on, in fact just a half hourly to Brighton though signs by 9am the service was starting to recover slowly. This afternoon, cattle on the track and track circuit failures basically knocked out the service south of the river.

    Southern were also suffering this morning with delays and lots of train faults but slowly improving. To be fair, the Underground, apart from the "cancellations" caused by staff shortages, weren't having a bad day.

    Train operators such as LNER and Avanti were claiming major damage to infrastructure from the heat and with Shapps admitting the bill to strengthen the infrastructure to protect against extreme heat events will run into the billions (don't worry, we won't be able to go anywhere but we'll still have some nice tax cuts) it would be nice to see Sunak or Truss concede there's a problem (the next extreme heat event will be in the next five years and be more severe than this) and offer some serious thought as to mitigation.

    I wonder whether @Sunil_Prasannan made it through.

    I thought, driving into school this morning, that I was a bit foolish to still wear shorts and sandals.

    Then I got inside, and found that a distinct lack of ventilation and an interior like an actual oven yesterday meant my school had not quite done with heat issues.

    Nice refreshing breeze now though.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,936
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    The heat may have gone but its impacts on our transport infrastructure have not and for those who wave away events like yesterday, the truth is much of our national infrastructure buckled in the heat and if next time's hot spell lasts 5 days rather than two there will be very serious issues.

    Rail travel today hasn't been smooth - no Thameslink services north of Blackfriars early on, in fact just a half hourly to Brighton though signs by 9am the service was starting to recover slowly. This afternoon, cattle on the track and track circuit failures basically knocked out the service south of the river.

    Southern were also suffering this morning with delays and lots of train faults but slowly improving. To be fair, the Underground, apart from the "cancellations" caused by staff shortages, weren't having a bad day.

    Train operators such as LNER and Avanti were claiming major damage to infrastructure from the heat and with Shapps admitting the bill to strengthen the infrastructure to protect against extreme heat events will run into the billions (don't worry, we won't be able to go anywhere but we'll still have some nice tax cuts) it would be nice to see Sunak or Truss concede there's a problem (the next extreme heat event will be in the next five years and be more severe than this) and offer some serious thought as to mitigation.

    Not a chance.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,546

    Then the question should have been: "Can you think of a black mathematician?"

    If that is what they wanted, then the question was ill-formed, as a pre-war Jewish woman in Germany who contributed theorems to maths (*) *is* diverse, as in she was unusual from the norm.

    (*) Ones even I have heard of, even if I couldn't explain them...
    Seems pretty obviously a case of the question being coded, and they got stuck when someone answered it as it was framed.
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