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Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
"Only I can beat Starmer", which both candidates seem to be majoring on, turns Starmer into someone far more formidable than he actually is. Labour will love five weeks of that. This kind of campaigning is where Johnson is so much better than all the other Tories. He would not be making such a basic error.
Well, yes, BorIs was good at winning the election for Conservative leader. It is what happened after that which was the problem.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
"Only I can beat Starmer", which both candidates seem to be majoring on, turns Starmer into someone far more formidable than he actually is. Labour will love five weeks of that. This kind of campaigning is where Johnson is so much better than all the other Tories. He would not be making such a basic error.
Nah, I remember a fair bit of "Only Boris can beat Corbyn", as well as its rarer sibling, "Only Boris can beet Farage".
Johnson's approach was to attack Corbyn by laughing at him, not making him out to seem like some kind of almost unbeatable colossus.
Correct; once he'd won the leadership. Up to that point, his argument was that he was best-placed to beat him. Which is exactly what's happening now.
I was in favour of Johnson remaining in office until the next election because I thought he'd be continue to be useless and guarantee the Tories would be out of power after not doing much for two years.
So I'm happy that the Tories seem to be allaying my fears by most likely electing someone who will be even more unpopular.
She really does make May seem like a fountain of charisma.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
"Only I can beat Starmer", which both candidates seem to be majoring on, turns Starmer into someone far more formidable than he actually is. Labour will love five weeks of that. This kind of campaigning is where Johnson is so much better than all the other Tories. He would not be making such a basic error.
Well, yes, BorIs was good at winning the election for Conservative leader. It is what happened after that which was the problem.
With apologies to the ghost of Barry Cryer:
'The thing about Bernard Boris was that he looked funny, he sounded funny and he had excellent timing. It was just what he actually said that could be worrying.'
It will be Truss for PM because the "Conservative" selectorate are crazier than swivel-eyed loons. On the plus side, we will be shot of the Bluekippers at the next election because, if we though Boris was bad, the vacuous Truss will glow dimly in comparison.
Many of them are in very safe seats, theywill remain even in the event of a loss.
You can't negotiate with somebody whose aim is total subjugation.
Quite. I get it if Ukraine suffers further reversals and feels it has to try for a ceasefire or whatever. But others pushing for settlement now, when they are not, is on the misguided notion that any end to current fighting is to be preferred, even if it merely cements Russian seizures.
The Continuity Johnson project (architects: Mogg, Duncan and Nad Partners; lead officer: Truss) are going to attempt to wreck the institutional reputation of the Bank of England in order to have someone to blame for inflation.
Johnson was running out of institutions to destroy or besmirch but looks like they have found one.
It will be Truss for PM because the "Conservative" selectorate are crazier than swivel-eyed loons. On the plus side, we will be shot of the Bluekippers at the next election because, if we though Boris was bad, the vacuous Truss will glow dimly in comparison.
Many of them are in very safe seats, theywill remain even in the event of a loss.
They will be out of power for a long time. I will have to accept that as a 2nd prize
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
"Only I can beat Starmer", which both candidates seem to be majoring on, turns Starmer into someone far more formidable than he actually is. Labour will love five weeks of that. This kind of campaigning is where Johnson is so much better than all the other Tories. He would not be making such a basic error.
Well, yes, BorIs was good at winning the election for Conservative leader. It is what happened after that which was the problem.
In fairness he was also good at winning the General Election too.
But there is something in that both candidates really are trying to do the same things as Boris (Liz because she is openly the continuity candidate, despite slagging off the Boris government's economic decisisons, and Rishi because even though Boris hates him he cannot disavow the economic decisions taken under Boris and himself), rather than try their own things. So they are doing a Boris campaign without Boris.
The Continuity Johnson project (architects: Mogg, Duncan and Nad Partners; lead officer: Truss) are going to attempt to wreck the institutional reputation of the Bank of England in order to have someone to blame for inflation.
Johnson was running out of institutions to destroy or besmirch but looks like they have found one.
What, precisely, do we think Truss meant by “Bank of Japan”?
The Continuity Johnson project (architects: Mogg, Duncan and Nad Partners; lead officer: Truss) are going to attempt to wreck the institutional reputation of the Bank of England in order to have someone to blame for inflation.
Johnson was running out of institutions to destroy or besmirch but looks like they have found one.
What, precisely, do we think Truss meant by “Bank of Japan”?
I missed that one. What bonkers rubbish did she say in an odd style?
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
Comments like the above are why Labour keep losing.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
"Only I can beat Starmer", which both candidates seem to be majoring on, turns Starmer into someone far more formidable than he actually is. Labour will love five weeks of that. This kind of campaigning is where Johnson is so much better than all the other Tories. He would not be making such a basic error.
Well, yes, BorIs was good at winning the election for Conservative leader. It is what happened after that which was the problem.
In fairness he was also good at winning the General Election too.
But there is something in that both candidates really are trying to do the same things as Boris (Liz because she is openly the continuity candidate, despite slagging off the Boris government's economic decisisons, and Rishi because even though Boris hates him he cannot disavow the economic decisions taken under Boris and himself), rather than try their own things. So they are doing a Boris campaign without Boris.
I suspect that a lot of Conservatives would be just fine with that. The thinking would go "We were doing fine until Paterson and Pincher happened. Shame Boris misjudged those and he had to go. But the big policy calls were right, so let's continue with those, plus a bit more tax cutting."
The Conservatives will need to do quite a bit worse to want to countenance a major change. The interesting question is whether you can do Boris stuff without being the man himself. Truss is unhinged enough to give it a go.
Rishi Sunak - MP for 7 years. Became Junior Minister in under 3 years, reached Cabinet in 5 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 2.5 years
Liz Truss - MP for 12 years. Became Junior Minister in a little over 2 years, reached Cabinet in 4 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 7 years.
It's funny, as both have held Great Offices of State, but for quite a long time those CVs would have been both remarkably little experience as just a regular MP, but also very rapid elevation to senior level.
The Continuity Johnson project (architects: Mogg, Duncan and Nad Partners; lead officer: Truss) are going to attempt to wreck the institutional reputation of the Bank of England in order to have someone to blame for inflation.
Johnson was running out of institutions to destroy or besmirch but looks like they have found one.
What, precisely, do we think Truss meant by “Bank of Japan”?
I missed that one. What bonkers rubbish did she say in an odd style?
Second debate. She said the BoE’s remit needed re-examination and then referenced the BoJ.
Comments like the above are why Labour keep losing.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Labour? stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dem? Stale pale middle class white male.
Yet the MPs didn't agree with you or the membership and in truth there was never any big breakthrough for Badenoch, was there? She might be Leader of the Opposition one day.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
Comments like the above are why Labour keep losing.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Labour? stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dem? Stale pale middle class white male.
Why should I care if Labour keep losing? Or the Lib Dems?
I stopped voting after 2017
(And teh comments on ConHome are still there and it is hardly likely to be Labour or LDs posting in ConHome)
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
Comments like the above are why Labour keep losing.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Labour? stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dem? Stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dems: 9 MPs out of 14 female, the furst major party to have a majority of female representatives.
Last leader female (though a disaster to be fair).
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
I gave it 3 seconds, selected the main story and read the most highly rated comments.
One was that 'Mr Sunak' is dishonest and out of touch, the next was that if Liz wins she will be beat by Starmer and Rishi performs better in public polls, the third was that Sunak is not perfect but Truss is a big fake and if she wins the person might vote Labour instead, and the fourth was supporting Truss rather than 'ccp Rishi Sunak', though I cannot figure out what ccp is meant to mean in this context.
So surprisingly balanced from that albeit unscientific foray.
The Continuity Johnson project (architects: Mogg, Duncan and Nad Partners; lead officer: Truss) are going to attempt to wreck the institutional reputation of the Bank of England in order to have someone to blame for inflation.
Johnson was running out of institutions to destroy or besmirch but looks like they have found one.
What, precisely, do we think Truss meant by “Bank of Japan”?
I missed that one. What bonkers rubbish did she say in an odd style?
Second debate. She said the BoE’s remit needed re-examination and then referenced the BoJ.
Rishi Sunak - MP for 7 years. Became Junior Minister in under 3 years, reached Cabinet in 5 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 2.5 years
Liz Truss - MP for 12 years. Became Junior Minister in a little over 2 years, reached Cabinet in 4 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 7 years.
It's funny, as both have held Great Offices of State, but for quite a long time those CVs would have been both remarkably little experience as just a regular MP, but also very rapid elevation to senior level.
In historical terms, it's remarkably inexperienced. Cameron had only been an MP for 9 years before becoming Prime Minister and Johnson was on his second stint as an MP having been mayor of London but the likes of Thatcher, Blair, Brown, Major and May had all had more than a decade as MPs before becoming Prime Minister.
Someone can correct me but I think of all the above only Cameron never held one of the great offices of state at either Government or Shadow Cabinet level.
Doesn't some incredibly high percentage of older men have prostate cancer? And if caught early is one of those things that managed such grim gets you from lots of other things first.
Apparently Biden has had skin cancer in the past....is he getting confused again?
Rishi Sunak - MP for 7 years. Became Junior Minister in under 3 years, reached Cabinet in 5 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 2.5 years
Liz Truss - MP for 12 years. Became Junior Minister in a little over 2 years, reached Cabinet in 4 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 7 years.
It's funny, as both have held Great Offices of State, but for quite a long time those CVs would have been both remarkably little experience as just a regular MP, but also very rapid elevation to senior level.
I wouldn't start from here, as the old irish joke goes.
Rishi Sunak - MP for 7 years. Became Junior Minister in under 3 years, reached Cabinet in 5 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 2.5 years
Liz Truss - MP for 12 years. Became Junior Minister in a little over 2 years, reached Cabinet in 4 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 7 years.
It's funny, as both have held Great Offices of State, but for quite a long time those CVs would have been both remarkably little experience as just a regular MP, but also very rapid elevation to senior level.
In historical terms, it's remarkably inexperienced. Cameron had only been an MP for 9 years before becoming Prime Minister and Johnson was on his second stint as an MP having been mayor of London but the likes of Thatcher, Blair, Brown, Major and May had all had more than a decade as MPs before becoming Prime Minister.
Someone can correct me but I think of all the above only Cameron never held one of the great offices of state at either Government or Shadow Cabinet level.
If shadow cabinet posts count then wasn't he technically shadow PM?
It is interesting what being in government does to expectations though. Cameron had been an MP for only 4 years when he became leader of the party, and was under 40. Kemi is 42, also an MP for 4 years but with some junior ministerial experience.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
I gave it 3 seconds, selected the main story and read the most highly rated comments.
One was that 'Mr Sunak' is dishonest and out of touch, the next was that if Liz wins she will be beat by Starmer and Rishi performs better in public polls, the third was that Sunak is not perfect but Truss is a big fake and if she wins the person might vote Labour instead, and the fourth was supporting Truss rather than 'ccp Rishi Sunak', though I cannot figure out what ccp is meant to mean in this context.
So surprisingly balanced from that albeit unscientific foray.
You missed the comments from those that do not want "Indians in No.10"?
....The IQA said a second reason for the name change was trademarks and licensing. The trademark for “quidditch” is owned by the Warner Bros. entertainment company, and organizers want to use the quadball trademark to continue to grow the game “into a mainstay of organized sports.”...
arhhhhh so its really about the monies, but you are going to virtue signal.
Also in the real world, broomsticks don’t fly and there are no magic balls, but apart from that...
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
Comments like the above are why Labour keep losing.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Labour? stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dem? Stale pale middle class white male.
Thing is, Britain's First wanted Kemi. Not because she is a proud black woman, because they thought she would harass women and blacks and gayers and non-fascists. Suspect many Tory members have similar if slightly less extreme perspectives.
Tories like one of us. Sunak is not one of us. So he will get demolished.
Rishi Sunak - MP for 7 years. Became Junior Minister in under 3 years, reached Cabinet in 5 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 2.5 years
Liz Truss - MP for 12 years. Became Junior Minister in a little over 2 years, reached Cabinet in 4 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 7 years.
It's funny, as both have held Great Offices of State, but for quite a long time those CVs would have been both remarkably little experience as just a regular MP, but also very rapid elevation to senior level.
In historical terms, it's remarkably inexperienced. Cameron had only been an MP for 9 years before becoming Prime Minister and Johnson was on his second stint as an MP having been mayor of London but the likes of Thatcher, Blair, Brown, Major and May had all had more than a decade as MPs before becoming Prime Minister.
Someone can correct me but I think of all the above only Cameron never held one of the great offices of state at either Government or Shadow Cabinet level.
Thatcher was Education Secretary and Shadow Environment Secretary.
Doesn't some incredibly high percentage of older men have prostate cancer? And if caught early is one of those things that managed such grim gets you from lots of other things first.
As I recall it’s pretty much 100%. Almost all men will die of prostate cancer unless they die of something else first.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
I gave it 3 seconds, selected the main story and read the most highly rated comments.
One was that 'Mr Sunak' is dishonest and out of touch, the next was that if Liz wins she will be beat by Starmer and Rishi performs better in public polls, the third was that Sunak is not perfect but Truss is a big fake and if she wins the person might vote Labour instead, and the fourth was supporting Truss rather than 'ccp Rishi Sunak', though I cannot figure out what ccp is meant to mean in this context.
So surprisingly balanced from that albeit unscientific foray.
Doesn't some incredibly high percentage of older men have prostate cancer? And if caught early is one of those things that managed such grim gets you from lots of other things first.
As I recall it’s pretty much 100%. Almost all men will die of prostate cancer unless they die of something else first.
Doesn't some incredibly high percentage of older men have prostate cancer? And if caught early is one of those things that managed such grim gets you from lots of other things first.
As I recall it’s pretty much 100%. Almost all men will die of prostate cancer unless they die of something else first.
Strictly speaking that's true about any possible cause of death.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
I gave it 3 seconds, selected the main story and read the most highly rated comments.
One was that 'Mr Sunak' is dishonest and out of touch, the next was that if Liz wins she will be beat by Starmer and Rishi performs better in public polls, the third was that Sunak is not perfect but Truss is a big fake and if she wins the person might vote Labour instead, and the fourth was supporting Truss rather than 'ccp Rishi Sunak', though I cannot figure out what ccp is meant to mean in this context.
So surprisingly balanced from that albeit unscientific foray.
You missed the comments from those that do not want "Indians in No.10"?
You only gave me 3 seconds!
I don't doubt you're right such a comment is in there (I've found 2, both from the same person), but there's clearly a mix of comments there and it is not a driving theme of them, nor are they are gung ho fo Liz.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
Comments like the above are why Labour keep losing.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Labour? stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dem? Stale pale middle class white male.
Thing is, Britain's First wanted Kemi. Not because she is a proud black woman, because they thought she would harass women and blacks and gayers and non-fascists. Suspect many Tory members have similar if slightly less extreme perspectives.
Tories like one of us. Sunak is not one of us. So he will get demolished.
Define “demolished”. Even if he loses he’ll score respectably with the members.
Define “Tories”. Since he just won the MPs and is the favourite of Tory voters if I remember right.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
Comments like the above are why Labour keep losing.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Labour? stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dem? Stale pale middle class white male.
Thing is, Britain's First wanted Kemi. Not because she is a proud black woman, because they thought she would harass women and blacks and gayers and non-fascists. Suspect many Tory members have similar if slightly less extreme perspectives.
Tories like one of us. Sunak is not one of us. So he will get demolished.
Britain First is literally a handful of people. They are totally irrelevant to everything.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
Comments like the above are why Labour keep losing.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Labour? stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dem? Stale pale middle class white male.
Thing is, Britain's First wanted Kemi. Not because she is a proud black woman, because they thought she would harass women and blacks and gayers and non-fascists. Suspect many Tory members have similar if slightly less extreme perspectives.
Tories like one of us. Sunak is not one of us. So he will get demolished.
Define “demolished”. Even if he loses he’ll score respectably with the members.
Define “Tories”. Since he just won the MPs and is the favourite of Tory voters if I remember right.
David Cameron was called a LD even as he was Conservative Prime Minister - nothing saves people from not being true Tories.
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
I gave it 3 seconds, selected the main story and read the most highly rated comments.
One was that 'Mr Sunak' is dishonest and out of touch, the next was that if Liz wins she will be beat by Starmer and Rishi performs better in public polls, the third was that Sunak is not perfect but Truss is a big fake and if she wins the person might vote Labour instead, and the fourth was supporting Truss rather than 'ccp Rishi Sunak', though I cannot figure out what ccp is meant to mean in this context.
So surprisingly balanced from that albeit unscientific foray.
You missed the comments from those that do not want "Indians in No.10"?
You only gave me 3 seconds!
I don't doubt you're right such a comment is in there (I've found 2, both from the same person), but there's clearly a mix of comments there and it is not a driving theme of them, nor are they are gung ho fo Liz.
Also, to be fair to the Tories, ConHome below the line is rarely reflective of actual polls of their members.
Rishi Sunak - MP for 7 years. Became Junior Minister in under 3 years, reached Cabinet in 5 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 2.5 years
Liz Truss - MP for 12 years. Became Junior Minister in a little over 2 years, reached Cabinet in 4 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 7 years.
It's funny, as both have held Great Offices of State, but for quite a long time those CVs would have been both remarkably little experience as just a regular MP, but also very rapid elevation to senior level.
In historical terms, it's remarkably inexperienced. Cameron had only been an MP for 9 years before becoming Prime Minister and Johnson was on his second stint as an MP having been mayor of London but the likes of Thatcher, Blair, Brown, Major and May had all had more than a decade as MPs before becoming Prime Minister.
Someone can correct me but I think of all the above only Cameron never held one of the great offices of state at either Government or Shadow Cabinet level.
Thatcher was Education Secretary and Shadow Environment Secretary.
She stood in he place of the Shadow Home Secretary, Keith Joseph, but you are quite correct.
Doesn't some incredibly high percentage of older men have prostate cancer? And if caught early is one of those things that managed such grim gets you from lots of other things first.
As I recall it’s pretty much 100%. Almost all men will die of prostate cancer unless they die of something else first.
Strictly speaking that's true about any possible cause of death.
That’s a very good point. I’m holding out for a hang-gliding accident in my 110s.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
After his "I and so many damn people have cancer" remark, the @WhiteHouse was quick to clarify that @JoeBiden has had several non-melanoma skin cancers removed, but remains a "healthy" 79-year old
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
I knew someone who had worked with Mandelson on a few occasions and described him as the brightest person they'd ever met.
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
After his "I and so many damn people have cancer" remark, the @WhiteHouse was quick to clarify that @JoeBiden has had several non-melanoma skin cancers removed, but remains a "healthy" 79-year old
Sunak seems to be majoring on who is the best person to beat Starmer.
Maybe later he will go for the kill over Truss being a Remainer who somehow the membership need to forgive her original sin and put her first?
He can try everything he wants.
He won’t beat her.
The fundamentals are - Liz makes the Tories feel good about Brexit and low taxes and global Britain and standing up to Putin.
Rishi is a used car salesman who is seen as a high tax chancellor who knifed Everyone’s Favourite PM Boris in the front so he could claim the crown.
RIshi is an Indian. His wife is an Indian. Go over to ConHome and it will take you about 3 seconds to find out why Rishi will not win...
Comments like the above are why Labour keep losing.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Labour? stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dem? Stale pale middle class white male.
Why should I care if Labour keep losing? Or the Lib Dems?
I stopped voting after 2017
(And teh comments on ConHome are still there and it is hardly likely to be Labour or LDs posting in ConHome)
Con home is not the Conservative party, any more than twitter is the people of Britain.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
I knew someone who had worked with Mandelson on a few occasions and described him as the brightest person they'd ever met.
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
With the exception of that time in the chippy when he asked if the mushy peas were guacamole.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless
I'd have left it there.
Particularly as he scripted both Kermit the Frog and Peppa Pig.
Your edit has confirmed Leon's earlier analysis that I am blinded by my hatred of Johnson.
He was also referencing the potential for crowds in Newent to demand Johnson's imminent return to No 10 in next to no time. On Truss's coronation he might even have a point.
Doesn't some incredibly high percentage of older men have prostate cancer? And if caught early is one of those things that managed such grim gets you from lots of other things first.
Apparently Biden has had skin cancer in the past....is he getting confused again?
All men should have their prostates checked regularly. I did earlier in the year.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
I knew someone who had worked with Mandelson on a few occasions and described him as the brightest person they'd ever met.
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
With the exception of that time in the chippy when he asked if the mushy peas were guacamole.
Very bright people are still capable of being fools. Look at any expert talking outside their own field on twitter.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
Hague second time around maybe? Clegg, actually. But yes - Mandelson was brilliant and in a another world would have been a decent Cabinet Minister right the way through that government.
Doesn't some incredibly high percentage of older men have prostate cancer? And if caught early is one of those things that managed such grim gets you from lots of other things first.
As I recall it’s pretty much 100%. Almost all men will die of prostate cancer unless they die of something else first.
Surely 100% of people die of heart failure?
Not 100%. There are ways to die not dependent on the heart stopping. Decapitation for one.
53 years ago today, mankind first walked on the Moon.
It will not be 10 years before the next man or woman walks on the moon. And it will not be 20 years before someone takes a first step on Mars.
Agreed. It will be more like 30 and 50.
Mars is very uncertain, even if Loony Musk said in 2018 that there would be a base on Mars by 2028 (hint: he's wrong.) But if he can maintain funding and not have to waste all his money buying Twitter for way over its value, then 20 years, or 9 synods, would be doable. In fact, I reckon 9 years of 4 synods may be possible. The people may not get back, though ...
As for the Moon: the US's Artemis program is due to land humans back on the Moon in 2025. If they fail, China is considering one by 2027; if not, the early 2030s.
Doesn't some incredibly high percentage of older men have prostate cancer? And if caught early is one of those things that managed such grim gets you from lots of other things first.
Apparently Biden has had skin cancer in the past....is he getting confused again?
All men should have their prostates checked regularly. I did earlier in the year.
Put my mind at rest.
Sadly at my age you still have to pay a nice lady in stockings £200 an hour for that.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
I knew someone who had worked with Mandelson on a few occasions and described him as the brightest person they'd ever met.
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
Didn’t he have to resign after a scandal at some point?
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
I knew someone who had worked with Mandelson on a few occasions and described him as the brightest person they'd ever met.
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
Didn’t he have to resign after a scandal at some point?
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless
I'd have left it there.
Particularly as he scripted both Kermit the Frog and Peppa Pig.
Your edit has confirmed Leon's earlier analysis that I am blinded by my hatred of Johnson.
He was also referencing the potential for crowds in Newent to demand Johnson's imminent return to No 10 in next to no time. On Truss's coronation he might even have a point.
Not really, although his weird obsession with Newent is I suppose a modest compliment to the town.
But Newent is more a sort of orangey area. It's Coleford where those buggers are Brexiteers you need to look out for.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
I knew someone who had worked with Mandelson on a few occasions and described him as the brightest person they'd ever met.
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
With the exception of that time in the chippy when he asked if the mushy peas were guacamole.
Very bright people are still capable of being fools. Look at any expert talking outside their own field on twitter.
Or not a few of us on here, to be truthful, myself included.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
I knew someone who had worked with Mandelson on a few occasions and described him as the brightest person they'd ever met.
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
Didn’t he have to resign after a scandal at some point?
What will really do for Truss is being continuity Johnson.
With a handful of exceptions everybody on PB wanted to see the back of Big Dog and his lies and incompetence. Most agreed he was unfit for office even if it took some longer than others to reach that conclusion.
Along with joy at his departure came the relief that loonies like Dorries, Rees-Mogg and Braverman would never set foot in the cabinet room again. So when they all reappear when Truss wins (she owes them all) it really is going to go down like a lead balloon.
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
I knew someone who had worked with Mandelson on a few occasions and described him as the brightest person they'd ever met.
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
Didn’t he have to resign after a scandal at some point?
Twice....
Worth some of our younger members remembering/learning that Tory governments don’t have a monopoly on scandals.
Going after the BOE is now the go to plan for Truss .
The money markets will take a dim view if they’re no longer seen as independent .
Even ignoring all the sensible policy reasons for its independence like that, what politician seriously wants to have to go back to direct control of interest rates and being held accountable by whichever group loses out? It would be political madness as well as policy insanity.
53 years ago today, mankind first walked on the Moon.
It will not be 10 years before the next man or woman walks on the moon. And it will not be 20 years before someone takes a first step on Mars.
Agreed. It will be more like 30 and 50.
Mars is very uncertain, even if Loony Musk said in 2018 that there would be a base on Mars by 2028 (hint: he's wrong.) But if he can maintain funding and not have to waste all his money buying Twitter for way over its value, then 20 years, or 9 synods, would be doable. In fact, I reckon 9 years of 4 synods may be possible. The people may not get back, though ...
As for the Moon: the US's Artemis program is due to land humans back on the Moon in 2025. If they fail, China is considering one by 2027; if not, the early 2030s.
Given Musk's recent travails, he's more likely to get sued for pulling out of paying for the Mars base, or something.
Going after the BOE is now the go to plan for Truss .
The money markets will take a dim view if they’re no longer seen as independent .
My worry is that they will think the Bank has lost credibility over inflation and will use that to try to roll back financial regulations in a desperate bid to boost the economy (for about 6 months).
Can think on their feet: Boris, Tone, Jezza, Dave, Jess.
Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
Johnson is useless without a script. Jezza just didn't think.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
The one who always impressed me was Mandelson.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one. With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
I knew someone who had worked with Mandelson on a few occasions and described him as the brightest person they'd ever met.
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
He is undoubtedly bright. Yet it is another indication that being 'bright' or 'intelligent' does not stop someone from making dumbass mistakes a less intelligent but more savvy person would not have made.
Hence the reason he resigned from government twice...
53 years ago today, mankind first walked on the Moon.
It will not be 10 years before the next man or woman walks on the moon. And it will not be 20 years before someone takes a first step on Mars.
Yes I recall at junior school we were taken into the hall to witness history. I particularly enjoyed the Aaron Copeland soundtrack in conjunction with the Stanley Kubrick screenplay.
After his "I and so many damn people have cancer" remark, the @WhiteHouse was quick to clarify that @JoeBiden has had several non-melanoma skin cancers removed, but remains a "healthy" 79-year old
After his "I and so many damn people have cancer" remark, the @WhiteHouse was quick to clarify that @JoeBiden has had several non-melanoma skin cancers removed, but remains a "healthy" 79-year old
What will really do for Truss is being continuity Johnson.
With a handful of exceptions everybody on PB wanted to see the back of Big Dog and his lies and incompetence. Most agreed he was unfit for office even if it took some longer than others to reach that conclusion.
Along with joy at his departure came the relief that loonies like Dorries, Rees-Mogg and Braverman would never set foot in the cabinet room again. So when they all reappear when Truss wins (she owes them all) it really is going to go down like a lead balloon.
Are we then suggesting neither candidate will have the other in their Cabinet or do we think Sunak would refuse to serve under Truss and vice versa?
Presumably both will find homes for Mordaunt and Badenoch under the old adage of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.
Do we think Javid returns to No.11 in a Sunak Government - Wallace as FS and Mordaunt as Home Secretary with a big job for Badenoch (Health, Education?).
Going after the BOE is now the go to plan for Truss .
The money markets will take a dim view if they’re no longer seen as independent .
Even ignoring all the sensible policy reasons for its independence like that, what politician seriously wants to have to go back to direct control of interest rates and being held accountable by whichever group loses out? It would be political madness as well as policy insanity.
That’s a very good point . At the moment politicians can avoid some of the fallout . The BOE are in a difficult position because the current global situation is unique in terms of post pandemic , Ukraine War etc .
Just shown that photo to my wife. She said "it must be a spoof". I said "I don't think it is". She exploded. Possibly trivial, but ye gods - five men in suits being poured tea by a diminutive woman doesn't look very modern.
Maybe Nus Ghani is pouring the tea because Nus Ghani wanted to pour the tea.
Yes, I'm sure that's true; I'll bet she volunteered before any of the chaps.
I've shown that picture to my mother her take on it.
White men/people cannot make tea properly, it is inevitable that that the Pakistani heritage person offered to make the tea before anyone else did.
Oi! Some of us make brilliant tea.
Admittedly my grandmother was from China. I don't know if that makes a difference.
But even my other grandmother always let me pour the tea. She wouldn't yield it to anyone else, but she said I was just too good.
I don't drink tea or coffee but before the pandemic I hired a new member of staff who it turned out was a milk in firster.
It nearly incited a riot at work.
That's how you make a latte though.
Milk in last for a flat white.
Coffee is not tea. Different rules apply.
Hence why I said that to a post that said "tea or coffee".
And another reason why coffee is better than tea, no reason to be pretentious with arguments, you can do it either way around but they're different drinks not the same one.
I've looked at this a few times now and I can almost convince myself that the mods added "or coffee" to save your blushes later. When I originally read that comment the mention of coffee didn't register at all. I saw tea, and nothing else. Strange and interesting.
53 years ago today, mankind first walked on the Moon.
It will not be 10 years before the next man or woman walks on the moon. And it will not be 20 years before someone takes a first step on Mars.
Agreed. It will be more like 30 and 50.
Mars is very uncertain, even if Loony Musk said in 2018 that there would be a base on Mars by 2028 (hint: he's wrong.) But if he can maintain funding and not have to waste all his money buying Twitter for way over its value, then 20 years, or 9 synods, would be doable. In fact, I reckon 9 years of 4 synods may be possible. The people may not get back, though ...
As for the Moon: the US's Artemis program is due to land humans back on the Moon in 2025. If they fail, China is considering one by 2027; if not, the early 2030s.
Given Musk's recent travails, he's more likely to get sued for pulling out of paying for the Mars base, or something.
Over ten years I've gone from a position of really admiring Musk (albeit whilst knowing he could be slightly dickish) to a position of thinking he is an utter twat whose success is mostly dependent on lucky timing, relentless self-PR and hordes of brainless fans.
I like his ambition for getting to Mars, and wanting transport to go electric. I dislike the way he goes about it, and the shitty things he does.
What will really do for Truss is being continuity Johnson.
With a handful of exceptions everybody on PB wanted to see the back of Big Dog and his lies and incompetence. Most agreed he was unfit for office even if it took some longer than others to reach that conclusion.
Along with joy at his departure came the relief that loonies like Dorries, Rees-Mogg and Braverman would never set foot in the cabinet room again. So when they all reappear when Truss wins (she owes them all) it really is going to go down like a lead balloon.
Are we then suggesting neither candidate will have the other in their Cabinet or do we think Sunak would refuse to serve under Truss and vice versa?
Presumably both will find homes for Mordaunt and Badenoch under the old adage of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.
Do we think Javid returns to No.11 in a Sunak Government - Wallace as FS and Mordaunt as Home Secretary with a big job for Badenoch (Health, Education?).
I think, with no evidence at all, that Rishi would invite Truss into his Cabinet, and that she may well accept. I struggle to imagine the reverse.
Yes, Javid into No.11 under Rishi.
Mordaunt is not getting a big job. She should be back, but something relatively junior. Badenoch likely to go to Education. Wallace might want to stick at Defence, in which case Tugendhat could become Foreign Secretary under Rishi.
I was a callow teenager obsessed with scifi and channel surfing and saw Fox Mulder of The X-Files on this show and I was like ooh this must be fun, five minutes I was so disappointed.
Also scared shitless that my devout muslim parents would have walked on me watching that show.
Going after the BOE is now the go to plan for Truss .
The money markets will take a dim view if they’re no longer seen as independent .
Even ignoring all the sensible policy reasons for its independence like that, what politician seriously wants to have to go back to direct control of interest rates and being held accountable by whichever group loses out? It would be political madness as well as policy insanity.
Someone who doesn't understand the sleight of hand games that the BofE needs to follow to control both interest rates and (on the QT) the money supply
53 years ago today, mankind first walked on the Moon.
It will not be 10 years before the next man or woman walks on the moon. And it will not be 20 years before someone takes a first step on Mars.
Agreed. It will be more like 30 and 50.
Mars is very uncertain, even if Loony Musk said in 2018 that there would be a base on Mars by 2028 (hint: he's wrong.) But if he can maintain funding and not have to waste all his money buying Twitter for way over its value, then 20 years, or 9 synods, would be doable. In fact, I reckon 9 years of 4 synods may be possible. The people may not get back, though ...
As for the Moon: the US's Artemis program is due to land humans back on the Moon in 2025. If they fail, China is considering one by 2027; if not, the early 2030s.
Happy to bet £250 evens no human to walk on Mars by 20 July 2042
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So I'm happy that the Tories seem to be allaying my fears by most likely electing someone who will be even more unpopular.
She really does make May seem like a fountain of charisma.
But why, exactly?
'The thing about
BernardBoris was that he looked funny, he sounded funny and he had excellent timing. It was just what he actually said that could be worrying.'Cannot think on their feet: every other politician/PM candidate of the past twenty years
The Continuity Johnson project (architects: Mogg, Duncan and Nad Partners; lead officer: Truss) are going to attempt to wreck the institutional reputation of the Bank of England in order to have someone to blame for inflation.
Johnson was running out of institutions to destroy or besmirch but looks like they have found one.
But there is something in that both candidates really are trying to do the same things as Boris (Liz because she is openly the continuity candidate, despite slagging off the Boris government's economic decisisons, and Rishi because even though Boris hates him he cannot disavow the economic decisions taken under Boris and himself), rather than try their own things. So they are doing a Boris campaign without Boris.
The tory members did not want Rishi, Liz or Penny, actually.
They wanted Kemi.
The polls show that Kemi would have beaten any of the others with the members. By a street. Meanwhile, the most upvoted posts on conhome were Kemi for PM.
Labour? stale pale middle class white male.
Lib Dem? Stale pale middle class white male.
The Conservatives will need to do quite a bit worse to want to countenance a major change. The interesting question is whether you can do Boris stuff without being the man himself. Truss is unhinged enough to give it a go.
Liz Truss - MP for 12 years. Became Junior Minister in a little over 2 years, reached Cabinet in 4 years, total time in Cabinet not quite 7 years.
It's funny, as both have held Great Offices of State, but for quite a long time those CVs would have been both remarkably little experience as just a regular MP, but also very rapid elevation to senior level.
@rcs1000 nearly shat himself.
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1549830673204232193
I stopped voting after 2017
(And teh comments on ConHome are still there and it is hardly likely to be Labour or LDs posting in ConHome)
Last leader female (though a disaster to be fair).
8 out of 14 MPs below the age of 50.
It would be a way out of running and the primary would become totally wide open.
One was that 'Mr Sunak' is dishonest and out of touch, the next was that if Liz wins she will be beat by Starmer and Rishi performs better in public polls, the third was that Sunak is not perfect but Truss is a big fake and if she wins the person might vote Labour instead, and the fourth was supporting Truss rather than 'ccp Rishi Sunak', though I cannot figure out what ccp is meant to mean in this context.
So surprisingly balanced from that albeit unscientific foray.
LOL.
This summer is gonna be popcorn-tastic.
Someone can correct me but I think of all the above only Cameron never held one of the great offices of state at either Government or Shadow Cabinet level.
Apparently Biden has had skin cancer in the past....is he getting confused again?
It is interesting what being in government does to expectations though. Cameron had been an MP for only 4 years when he became leader of the party, and was under 40. Kemi is 42, also an MP for 4 years but with some junior ministerial experience.
Tories like one of us. Sunak is not one of us. So he will get demolished.
I know.
Many senior MPs are quite quick witted in both parties. I'd agree on Jess, but several dozen others too. JRM for starters, loathed as I am to concede that.
I don't doubt you're right such a comment is in there (I've found 2, both from the same person), but there's clearly a mix of comments there and it is not a driving theme of them, nor are they are gung ho fo Liz.
Define “Tories”. Since he just won the MPs and is the favourite of Tory voters if I remember right.
Particularly as he scripted both Kermit the Frog and Peppa Pig.
Please try harder at the cherry- & nit-picking. IF you must.
It will not be 10 years before the next man or woman walks on the moon.
And it will not be 20 years before someone takes a first step on Mars.
When I speak, I'm always thinking about the last sentence as I say the next one.
With Peter Mandelson, you can almost see him thinking two or three sentences ahead. He is a brilliant orator, of the calm-and-reasonable rather than firebrand type.
@WhiteHouse was quick to clarify that @JoeBiden
has had several non-melanoma skin cancers removed, but remains a "healthy" 79-year old
https://twitter.com/johnrobertsFox/status/1549837998027595777?s=20&t=DXleSkKTy2MM_1R1iVORpA
Do you get skin cancer from oil?
Now, I cannot speak as to how many able people they had met, but evidently he was capable of impressing.
He was also referencing the potential for crowds in Newent to demand Johnson's imminent return to No 10 in next to no time. On Truss's coronation he might even have a point.
Put my mind at rest.
Mars is very uncertain, even if Loony Musk said in 2018 that there would be a base on Mars by 2028 (hint: he's wrong.) But if he can maintain funding and not have to waste all his money buying Twitter for way over its value, then 20 years, or 9 synods, would be doable. In fact, I reckon 9 years of 4 synods may be possible. The people may not get back, though ...
As for the Moon: the US's Artemis program is due to land humans back on the Moon in 2025. If they fail, China is considering one by 2027; if not, the early 2030s.
https://www.primevideo.com/detail/Red-Shoes-The-Seven-Dwarfs/0OSFBWJP56OSWOOBFH9QR3DSBC/ref=atv_nb_lcl_fr_FR?ie=UTF8&language=fr_FR
But Newent is more a sort of orangey area. It's Coleford where those buggers are Brexiteers you need to look out for.
The money markets will take a dim view if they’re no longer seen as independent .
With a handful of exceptions everybody on PB wanted to see the back of Big Dog and his lies and incompetence. Most agreed he was unfit for office even if it took some longer than others to reach that conclusion.
Along with joy at his departure came the relief that loonies like Dorries, Rees-Mogg and Braverman would never set foot in the cabinet room again. So when they all reappear when Truss wins (she owes them all) it really is going to go down like a lead balloon.
A good friend and colleague called himself "red shoes Ohara" when he was dodging (mostly in his mind's eye).
Hence the reason he resigned from government twice...
As I recall, Moira Shearer's character dies horribly.
Presumably both will find homes for Mordaunt and Badenoch under the old adage of keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.
Do we think Javid returns to No.11 in a Sunak Government - Wallace as FS and Mordaunt as Home Secretary with a big job for Badenoch (Health, Education?).
I like his ambition for getting to Mars, and wanting transport to go electric. I dislike the way he goes about it, and the shitty things he does.
Yes, Javid into No.11 under Rishi.
Mordaunt is not getting a big job. She should be back, but something relatively junior. Badenoch likely to go to Education. Wallace might want to stick at Defence, in which case Tugendhat could become Foreign Secretary under Rishi.
Also scared shitless that my devout muslim parents would have walked on me watching that show.