Yet again the Oxford stranglehold on No.10 continues – politicalbetting.com
So now we know that the next Conservative leader and Prime Minister will be either Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak. They became the names that will be put to the party membership in a postal ballot the result of which we should get in early September.
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
Apple has agreed to pay $50m (£41.6m) to settle a legal action by claimants in the US, over its MacBook keyboards.
Customers in seven states claimed the technology giant had sold the "butterfly" keyboards, on MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro laptops, from 2015 to 2019, knowing they had unresponsive and sticky keys that could be damaged by dust or debris.
Apple has agreed to pay $50m (£41.6m) to settle a legal action by claimants in the US, over its MacBook keyboards.
Customers in seven states claimed the technology giant had sold the "butterfly" keyboards, on MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro laptops, from 2015 to 2019, knowing they had unresponsive and sticky keys that could be damaged by dust or debris.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
I really don't get why Truss is so hated. Nor why Sunak is.
One is slick and thinks more of himself than is justified. The other is weird but canny. Are they notably worse than other party leaders? Why the hatred? Strong disagreement with policies I understand. But to listen to some it's as if we were facing a choice between Mussolini and Franco.
Rish is a multi-millionaire tax dodger. Liz is a woman that think's dressing up like Margaret Thatcher in 1980 is a good idea.
Not Musolini and Franco... but not great!
Out of the two I would vote for Rishi if I had a vote because at least he's rational which is always a good starting point.
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
Totally on-brand for ERG to back a truly useless Remainer who did nothing in govt except gabble with hacks cos she’s reassuringly mad behind the eyes.
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How do you think the clown faces make him look? He's an arse.
He seems to be one of those types who say they don't care what anyone else thinks, so long as they are right, without realising that aggravating everyone so they never listen to you helps no one, including you.
(My own view: the question was poorly phrased. The interviewee gave a perfectly sensible answer.)
"they might not know about the holocaust".....
That response in itself reveals a very patronising attitude. She's basically saying that you can't expect them to have any basic historical knowledge or empathy with people who don't look like them.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
(My own view: the question was poorly phrased. The interviewee gave a perfectly sensible answer.)
"they might not know about the holocaust".....
Not straightforward. Consensus view seems to be: holocaust worst thing any group of people has ever done to another ever, no exceptions; triangular trade a minor blemish (if even that, judged by the standards of its time) on the record of the Greatest Force For Good And Civilization In All Of History, Do You Hear Me? If I were black I think I'd be noticing that one crime was white on white, and one not.
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
Merton however is very quietly the most consistently academic in recent times.
(My own view: the question was poorly phrased. The interviewee gave a perfectly sensible answer.)
"they might not know about the holocaust".....
That response in itself reveals a very patronising attitude. She's basically saying that you can't expect them to have any basic historical knowledge or empathy with people who don't look like them.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
And where the fuck is the UK farmer meant to get the capital?
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
For that to work, presumably paper ballots will have to be neatly filed by voter (so the returning officer can tell whenever one is superseded). That sounds like a lot of work, and may also be open to corruption.
Sunak went to Winchester though, Truss to a comp. Indeed Truss would be our first PM ever to have a fully comprehensive school secondary education, May went to a private convent school and a grammar school which converted to a comprehensive before she left
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
Merton however is very quietly the most consistently academic in recent times.
Bloody dull, though. Its most interesting alumnus of recent times, including me, is Kris Kristofferson.
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
Seems easy enough, it looks like they'll digitise paper ballots against a unique ID (hopefully hashed to protect the secret ballot) and replace a ballot in the system with a later-submitted one with the same UID.
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
More evidence of the insane situation in local authority recruitment This advert is looking for a planning officer at £48-£58 per hour, 12 month contract (maternity cover). This would be outside IR35, so it would yield about £100k company income per year. This is in the north west of England, where the wage for a permanent member of staff would be about £25 - £35k per year.
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
Whereas Liz would be the seventeenth prime minister from Roundhay Comprehensive School in Leeds.
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
As we have now left the CAP we have the opportunity to make some fresh decisions. You say that agri hasn't invested - there seems to be an awful lot of big equipment on the farms up here which isn't cheap. But as we know farming can be deeply unprofitable. You can only invest if you either have the cash or can borrow.
Which brings us back to business plans. The market price of things like a sheep carcass are so low as to make it not worth bothering with. There is no tech investment to make costs significantly lower, so either the sale price rises or there is no business.
What we need is a UK CAP. The French had the right idea, but implemented it for their own benefit to the detriment of everyone else. The problem for the UK is that we have this government, and their response to the end of EU subsidies is to not replace them with UK subsidies. So a bad position becomes impossible for so many of these producers.
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
Apologies, Addington not Addison
Pitt is to Addington As London is to Paddington
Quoted in the last issue of the LRB!
I've known it forever, without having much of a clue who said it or why
More evidence of the insane situation in local authority recruitment This advert is looking for a planning officer at £48-£58 per hour, 12 month contract (maternity cover). This would be outside IR35, so it would yield about £100k company income per year. This is in the north west of England, where the wage for a permanent member of staff would be about £25 - £35k per year.
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
More evidence of the insane situation in local authority recruitment This advert is looking for a planning officer at £48-£58 per hour, 12 month contract (maternity cover). This would be outside IR35, so it would yield about £100k company income per year. This is in the north west of England, where the wage for a permanent member of staff would be about £25 - £35k per year.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
Please tell my extended farming family what technologies they ought to be investing in. Any particular insights into crop varieties? Crop rotations? Are you an advocate of double cropping? How about types of machinery? Do you prefer using GPS systems for combines or are there other systems of automation that you think are even better? Do you think all farms should use an agronomist? What are the best systems for picking root vegetables and also cash crops. Give us your wisdom? Please do.
While you do that, and anyone who knows anything about the countryside has to desoil themselves, I will see if I can find a tractor driver to give you an opinion on derivatives or some other area of the financial world. After all, the world of finance is full of overpaid mummies' boys who mainly got there because they went to the right school but couldn't get in the right university. Or is that a generalisation would you say?
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
Disraeli's brothers went to Winchester, but he was thought too frail or clever or stupid or something to do so.
UK food is extraordinarily good quality and sold very competitively.
Not many people seem to know this.
Anyone who wants to muddle with it for ideological reasons needs to show their working.
And if you can buy local food from local producers, do so. The quality is amazing, you directly support local farmers and food businesses and retailers, its a virtuous circle.
I really don't get why Truss is so hated. Nor why Sunak is.
One is slick and thinks more of himself than is justified. The other is weird but canny. Are they notably worse than other party leaders? Why the hatred? Strong disagreement with policies I understand. But to listen to some it's as if we were facing a choice between Mussolini and Franco.
Rish is a multi-millionaire tax dodger. Liz is a woman that think's dressing up like Margaret Thatcher in 1980 is a good idea.
Not Musolini and Franco... but not great!
Out of the two I would vote for Rishi if I had a vote because at least he's rational which is always a good starting point.
Excellent. So Rishi is a rational multi-millionaire tax dodger.
I'm enjoying those not normally sympathetic to Labour feeding us ideas for lines to take.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
UK food is extraordinarily good quality and sold very competitively.
Not many people seem to know this.
Anyone who wants to muddle with it for ideological reasons needs to show their working.
And if you can buy local food from local producers, do so. The quality is amazing, you directly support local farmers and food businesses and retailers, its a virtuous circle.
My father and his next-door neighbour just bought a pig from a local farm, and paid a local butcher to cut it up into joints. Cost something like £150, and they both have enough frozen bacon to last until Christmas!
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Sunak went to Winchester though, Truss to a comp. Indeed Truss would be our first PM ever to have a fully comprehensive school secondary education, May went to a private convent school and a grammar school which converted to a comprehensive before she left
As a former comprehensive school pupil I should be rooting for Truss, but my worry is that nobody would ever trust one of us in a position of power ever again if she became PM.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Leon you were banned the other day for continuing your xenophobic nonsense.
Don’t be a bigot. And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
He has pulled it out of his arse. He is a Brexit apologist, so he dislikes farmers, because many have complained about being unable to take advantage of eastern european labour that is prepared to do hard work that the snowflake Brits are not prepared to do.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Leon you were banned the other day for continuing your xenophobic nonsense.
Don’t be a bigot. And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
What’s the point? He’ll just rejoin as somebody else anyway
I really don't get why Truss is so hated. Nor why Sunak is.
One is slick and thinks more of himself than is justified. The other is weird but canny. Are they notably worse than other party leaders? Why the hatred? Strong disagreement with policies I understand. But to listen to some it's as if we were facing a choice between Mussolini and Franco.
Rish is a multi-millionaire tax dodger. Liz is a woman that think's dressing up like Margaret Thatcher in 1980 is a good idea.
Not Musolini and Franco... but not great!
Out of the two I would vote for Rishi if I had a vote because at least he's rational which is always a good starting point.
Excellent. So Rishi is a rational multi-millionaire tax dodger.
I'm enjoying those not normally sympathetic to Labour feeding us ideas for lines to take.
LOL! I call it as I see it.
Whilst I have supported Con during the time I've been on PB I've always said I might vote Labour one day (I voted Lab in 97 and Lib in 05)
Rish is a rational tax dodger. Liz is just mad. Out of the two I'd vote for Rish as he is sane, which is the starting point I suppose (Penny was the candidate I'd have preferred but Dacre and Con MPs got rid of her) but Election 24/25 will probably see me voting Labour whether it's Rish or Liz.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Leon you were banned the other day for continuing your xenophobic nonsense.
Don’t be a bigot. And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
I'm not being rude, just stating a fact. You are remarkably ignorant of Britain, and I am wondering why and positing an answer
I will not ask you to butt out, as that seems to upset the mods
"The well drained but often thin soil formed on the chalk and limestone plateaux of southern and eastern England and the Paris Basin form some of the most extensively exploited cereal growing areas of Europe and, until recently, produced more grain than Canada"
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
You know what happened last time...
Yes, maybe time to just cool it down before it gets even hotter.
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
The important thing is I've posted enough vaguely worded and often contradictory tweets regarding the Tory leadership election in recent weeks that I'm bound to have at least one that Called It in any situation
other than Rehman Chishti winning, I confess I never covered for that eventuality
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
You know what happened last time...
I am refraining from anything nasty. Just making a point
Don't you live in Devon? The redlands of Devon are famously fertile
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Leon you were banned the other day for continuing your xenophobic nonsense.
Don’t be a bigot. And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
What’s the point? He’ll just rejoin as somebody else anyway
I’m not sure why he thinks it necessary to deliver personal attacks. He doesn’t try it on with other foreign-living posters, so I have to assume it is because of where I was born.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Leon you were banned the other day for continuing your xenophobic nonsense.
Don’t be a bigot. And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
I'm not being rude, just stating a fact. You are remarkably ignorant of Britain, and I am wondering why and positing an answer
I will not ask you to butt out, as that seems to upset the mods
"The well drained but often thin soil formed on the chalk and limestone plateaux of southern and eastern England and the Paris Basin form some of the most extensively exploited cereal growing areas of Europe and, until recently, produced more grain than Canada"
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Leon you were banned the other day for continuing your xenophobic nonsense.
Don’t be a bigot. And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
I'm not being rude, just stating a fact. You are remarkably ignorant of Britain, and I am wondering why and positing an answer
I will not ask you to butt out, as that seems to upset the mods
"The well drained but often thin soil formed on the chalk and limestone plateaux of southern and eastern England and the Paris Basin form some of the most extensively exploited cereal growing areas of Europe and, until recently, produced more grain than Canada"
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Leon you were banned the other day for continuing your xenophobic nonsense.
Don’t be a bigot. And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
What’s the point? He’ll just rejoin as somebody else anyway
I’m not sure why he thinks it necessary to deliver personal attacks. He doesn’t try it on with other foreign-living posters, so I have to assume it is because of where I was born.
You what? I like Kiwis. Don't be daft
And I will respect the will of the mods. If they think you are allowed to comment on Britain despite - to my mind - showing remarkable, insufferable ignorance of it - then fair enough. Knock yourself out
Unsurprisingly Lady Nugee is all over tea-gate photo....good job there wasn't a flag as well. Strange time to be getting all funny about a photo with an ethnic minority Tory woman, when the same Tory MPs have just put forward an ethnic minority and a woman as the options for next PM.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
You know what happened last time...
I am refraining from anything nasty. Just making a point
Don't you live in Devon? The redlands of Devon are famously fertile
There's a lot of devon. Coaxing wizened potatoes out of the Dartmoor plateau is hard graft.
I really don't get why Truss is so hated. Nor why Sunak is.
One is slick and thinks more of himself than is justified. The other is weird but canny. Are they notably worse than other party leaders? Why the hatred? Strong disagreement with policies I understand. But to listen to some it's as if we were facing a choice between Mussolini and Franco.
Rish is a multi-millionaire tax dodger. Liz is a woman that think's dressing up like Margaret Thatcher in 1980 is a good idea.
Not Musolini and Franco... but not great!
Out of the two I would vote for Rishi if I had a vote because at least he's rational which is always a good starting point.
Excellent. So Rishi is a rational multi-millionaire tax dodger.
I'm enjoying those not normally sympathetic to Labour feeding us ideas for lines to take.
LOL! I call it as I see it.
Whilst I have supported Con during the time I've been on PB I've always said I might vote Labour one day (I voted Lab in 97 and Lib in 05)
Rish is a rational tax dodger. Liz is just mad. Out of the two I'd vote for Rish as he is sane, which is the starting point I suppose (Penny was the candidate I'd have preferred but Dacre and Con MPs got rid of her) but Election 24/25 will probably see me voting Labour whether it Rish or Liz. I'll be very surprised if I vote Con next time.
Good news, and welcome to the light side. Just a few more million needed now.
My goodness, an OGH Oxford PMs thread, what a rarity! Seriously though the most pleased tonight will probably be Sir Keir, especially if Truss wins the membership vote.
If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
Merton however is very quietly the most consistently academic in recent times.
I really don't get why Truss is so hated. Nor why Sunak is.
One is slick and thinks more of himself than is justified. The other is weird but canny. Are they notably worse than other party leaders? Why the hatred? Strong disagreement with policies I understand. But to listen to some it's as if we were facing a choice between Mussolini and Franco.
Rish is a multi-millionaire tax dodger. Liz is a woman that think's dressing up like Margaret Thatcher in 1980 is a good idea.
Not Musolini and Franco... but not great!
Out of the two I would vote for Rishi if I had a vote because at least he's rational which is always a good starting point.
Excellent. So Rishi is a rational multi-millionaire tax dodger.
I'm enjoying those not normally sympathetic to Labour feeding us ideas for lines to take.
Rishi earned his wealth and protected what he earned as best he could given the various tax rules in the countries where he worked. That makes him wise and prudent which is what we want in a Chancellor and a Prime Minister.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Leon you were banned the other day for continuing your xenophobic nonsense.
Don’t be a bigot. And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
I'm not being rude, just stating a fact. You are remarkably ignorant of Britain, and I am wondering why and positing an answer
I will not ask you to butt out, as that seems to upset the mods
"The well drained but often thin soil formed on the chalk and limestone plateaux of southern and eastern England and the Paris Basin form some of the most extensively exploited cereal growing areas of Europe and, until recently, produced more grain than Canada"
You are selectively quoting what he said, old chap. He was responding to @MaxPB who was talking out of his arse about British farming, and suggesting that it was out of date and that British farmers are lazy. Both of which is total bollox. The main areas of cereal farming in UK are very fertile, but they still have disadvantages in terms of field size compared to, say, the US prairies and the Ukraine. It is very difficult for UK farmers to produce grain at the same cost as those areas due to input costs and disproportionate government subsidy in the US. UK farming is amongst the most technologically advanced in terms of production, crop breading and mechanisation.
Unsurprisingly Lady Nugee is all over tea-gate photo....good job there wasn't a flag as well.
What is tea gate photo?
I've been busy today so only been online since 3.55pm.
1922 committee put out a photo of them having tea and Nus Ghani was the one pouring it. And of course certain parts of lefty twitter have got all funny about it the fact an ethnic minority woman was the one doing it.
More evidence of the insane situation in local authority recruitment This advert is looking for a planning officer at £48-£58 per hour, 12 month contract (maternity cover). This would be outside IR35, so it would yield about £100k company income per year. This is in the north west of England, where the wage for a permanent member of staff would be about £25 - £35k per year.
What would the overheads be on the permanent member of staff? Why is this outside IR35? It looks like a single customer who controls the person as an employee - tax avoidance by the client? Or has it changed?
Interesting that they think a normal planning officer is able to do TPOs.
Disclosure - I got out of contracting soon after the original IR35 f*ckup.
My read on the Aus/NZ trade deals is less that Liz “rolled over” to get a deal, but rather that she actually believes that cheaper meat for consumers is worth damaging UK agricultural interests.
I don’t agree, but see MaxPB and surely BartyBobbins for details.
Certain UK agricultural interests, beef and lamb mostly. NZ lamb is incredible, happy to have it replace Welsh lamb if they can't keep up in price and quality, same for Aussie beef. In both cases the product is better and potentially cheaper. It's a wake up call to our agribusinesses to begin a big round of consolidation to scale up and to start investing in better technology to cut costs rather than just throw a bunch of Bulgarian labourers at it.
The Ukraine war ought to be a wake up call to those who think we should import even more of our foodstuff from overseas. We should be looking at how to increase food security, not reduce it. UK agriculture has been heavily investing in technology for many years. You wouldn't know this because you prefer to talk out of your arse on a subject that you have no knowledge of. You are @BartholomewRoberts and I claim my £5
Food security means increasing volumes of grain, dairy and sunflower/rapeseed output - in a very basic sense.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
You need to show evidence for this complaint about UK agribusiness. There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation. UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Not at all sure about "British soil" being worse than most in Europe
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
Leon you were banned the other day for continuing your xenophobic nonsense.
Don’t be a bigot. And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
I'm not being rude, just stating a fact. You are remarkably ignorant of Britain, and I am wondering why and positing an answer
I will not ask you to butt out, as that seems to upset the mods
"The well drained but often thin soil formed on the chalk and limestone plateaux of southern and eastern England and the Paris Basin form some of the most extensively exploited cereal growing areas of Europe and, until recently, produced more grain than Canada"
You are selectively quoting what he said, old chap. He was responding to @MaxPB who was talking out of his arse about British farming, and suggesting that it was out of date and that British farmers are lazy. Both of which is total bollox. The main areas of cereal farming in UK are very fertile, but they still have disadvantages in terms of field size compared to, say, the US prairies and the Ukraine. It is very difficult for UK farmers to produce grain at the same cost as those areas due to input costs and disproportionate government subsidy in the US. UK farming is amongst the most technologically advanced in terms of production, crop breading and mechanisation.
Yes, thank-you.
Leon will perhaps now pull-out the bit where I said that British soil was less propitious than European competitors, but more basically I just mean that they can grow quite a lot of produce in Europe that the UK cannot.
And when I say UK, I mean the whole country not just the Thames Valley, Kent and East Anglia.
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
Last time out, 80% of ballots were back at CCHQ within a week, most members not waiting for the public hustings.
Do have to ask why they need 7 weeks to vote. Even old giffers can vote online. Even my dad, and he thinks little people live inside the telly.
They don't need to, but the Commons is in recess after tomorrow and there's not much point declaring the result with the Commons not sitting.
Boris wants to be there as long as possible. Now he can spend 7 weeks in Chequers while ensuring he puts a suitable distance between himself and Teresa May in terms of tenure at No 10.
I really don't get why Truss is so hated. Nor why Sunak is.
One is slick and thinks more of himself than is justified. The other is weird but canny. Are they notably worse than other party leaders? Why the hatred? Strong disagreement with policies I understand. But to listen to some it's as if we were facing a choice between Mussolini and Franco.
Rish is a multi-millionaire tax dodger. Liz is a woman that think's dressing up like Margaret Thatcher in 1980 is a good idea.
Not Musolini and Franco... but not great!
Out of the two I would vote for Rishi if I had a vote because at least he's rational which is always a good starting point.
Excellent. So Rishi is a rational multi-millionaire tax dodger.
I'm enjoying those not normally sympathetic to Labour feeding us ideas for lines to take.
Rishi earned his wealth and protected what he earned as best he could given the various tax rules in the countries where he worked. That makes him wise and prudent which is what we want in a Chancellor and a Prime Minister.
It wasn't me who made the original comment. However, I'd respond by suggesting that Rishi's prudence hasn't thus far extended to the nation's finances, as he turned a blind eye to the billions of pounds of fraud on Covid loans. As pointed out by Lord Agnew in his ministerial resignation speech.
What are the chances of Truss enacting economic policies that actually make the situation worse re. Inflation?
Pretty likely if she goes in head first on tax cuts, no?
Given the tax cut she is planning to make the impact will be on corporate investment which will be binned by companies in a desire to maximise short term profits.
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If Starmer wins the next general election Leeds University gets its first ever graduate as PM (albeit with Sir Keir also doing postgraduate at Oxford so Oxford still will share 50% of the glory).
After Mordaunt's elimination Reading missed its first ever chance to get a PM.
In terms of colleges, although both Oxford, Truss will be the first ever PM from Merton College and Sunak the first PM from Lincoln College. Balliol and Christ Church Oxford and Trinity Cambridge typically the grandest colleges providing the most PMs.
Rishi would also be the first Wykehamist PM since Addison in the early 19th century
Penny's wilderness years side hustle.
Let’s hope the new PM, no matter who, continues our wholehearted support for the Ukrainians.
Customers in seven states claimed the technology giant had sold the "butterfly" keyboards, on MacBook, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro laptops, from 2015 to 2019, knowing they had unresponsive and sticky keys that could be damaged by dust or debris.
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-62236778
Proper universities focus on winning Nobel prizes.
It also means subsidies for the above three areas because, once again, UK agribusinesses have been very, very lazy for the last 20 years and not invested properly to keep up with other countries.
While ballots will be sent out immediately, members will be able to vote both online or by post. Crucially, only the last ballot received by CCHQ will count...This means any member who votes early and then experiences buyer’s remorse will have the option to override it. This is no doubt a positive revelation for Sunak’s team. Every little helps…
https://order-order.com/2022/07/20/cchq-members-with-buyers-remorse-can-change-their-minds/
They should have just stuck to a paper postal ballot IMO.
Not Musolini and Franco... but not great!
Out of the two I would vote for Rishi if I had a vote because at least he's rational which is always a good starting point.
I hope so - this is the next Prime Minister.
Last time out, 80% of ballots were back at CCHQ within a week, most members not waiting for the public hustings.
Has to be said that the "Liz Truss as long term sleeper agent to destroy the Conservatives from within" plan was one of our most inspired.
There’s a general whiff that you are pulling it out of your arse.
Note too that UK farmers have much less propitious soil than most European farmers and also can’t get the scale attained by US and American competitors.
I honestly don’t know how efficient UK farmers again, but I tell you that US supermarkets are a negative revelation.
UK produce is high quality in my opinion.
Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said.
In an interview with Russian state media, he implied Moscow's strategy had changed after the West supplied Ukraine with longer-range weapons.
Russia would now have to push Ukrainian forces further from the front line to ensure its own security, he explained.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62231936
As London is to Paddington
This advert is looking for a planning officer at £48-£58 per hour, 12 month contract (maternity cover).
This would be outside IR35, so it would yield about £100k company income per year.
This is in the north west of England, where the wage for a permanent member of staff would be about £25 - £35k per year.
https://jobs.planningresource.co.uk/job/363424/urgent-outside-ir35-planning-officer-and-senior-planning-officer-/
Which brings us back to business plans. The market price of things like a sheep carcass are so low as to make it not worth bothering with. There is no tech investment to make costs significantly lower, so either the sale price rises or there is no business.
What we need is a UK CAP. The French had the right idea, but implemented it for their own benefit to the detriment of everyone else. The problem for the UK is that we have this government, and their response to the end of EU subsidies is to not replace them with UK subsidies. So a bad position becomes impossible for so many of these producers.
Not many people seem to know this.
Anyone who wants to muddle with it for ideological reasons needs to show their working.
While you do that, and anyone who knows anything about the countryside has to desoil themselves, I will see if I can find a tractor driver to give you an opinion on derivatives or some other area of the financial world. After all, the world of finance is full of overpaid mummies' boys who mainly got there because they went to the right school but couldn't get in the right university. Or is that a generalisation would you say?
I'm enjoying those not normally sympathetic to Labour feeding us ideas for lines to take.
Parts of the UK are amongst the most fertile anywhere, there's just a limited amount of it
“With over 2,500 soil tests now performed by Yara, when you compare UK averages with the rest of the world, the UK does have very fertile soils – a result of good climate and good farming practice.”
https://www.anglianwater.co.uk/news/anglian-water-tests-reveal-uk-has-very-fertile-soil/
It's one of the reasons England was much coveted by invaders, despite the hassles of it being an island
Yet again you reveal your lack of knowledge of Britain, but that's perhaps unsurprising in someone not born in Britain, who doesn't live in Britain, who despises Britain, and who has no intention of returning to Britain
https://twitter.com/uklabour/status/1549337977704402954?s=21&t=EsDatPhf6r-X3XY7Y9_yZw
Don’t be a bigot.
And really, seek help. You are clearly grieving something.
Whilst I have supported Con during the time I've been on PB I've always said I might vote Labour one day (I voted Lab in 97 and Lib in 05)
Rish is a rational tax dodger. Liz is just mad. Out of the two I'd vote for Rish as he is sane, which is the starting point I suppose (Penny was the candidate I'd have preferred but Dacre and Con MPs got rid of her) but Election 24/25 will probably see me voting Labour whether it's Rish or Liz.
I'll be very surprised if I vote Con next time.
I will not ask you to butt out, as that seems to upset the mods
"The well drained but often thin soil formed on the chalk and
limestone plateaux of southern and eastern England and
the Paris Basin form some of the most extensively exploited
cereal growing areas of Europe and, until recently, produced
more grain than Canada"
https://esdac.jrc.ec.europa.eu/projects/Soil_Atlas/Download/20.pdf
The important thing is I've posted enough vaguely worded and often contradictory tweets regarding the Tory leadership election in recent weeks that I'm bound to have at least one that Called It in any situation
other than Rehman Chishti winning, I confess I never covered for that eventuality
https://twitter.com/cjayanetti/status/1549791354213089282
Don't you live in Devon? The redlands of Devon are famously fertile
Why should I vote for them?
With exceptions, like Orkney and the Black Isle.
And I will respect the will of the mods. If they think you are allowed to comment on Britain despite - to my mind - showing remarkable, insufferable ignorance of it - then fair enough. Knock yourself out
I've been busy today so only been online since 3.55pm.
https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/tory-experte-tim-bale-ueber-boris-johnson-seine-memoiren-duerften-spektakulaer-werden-a-95af4e7d-194c-4182-9856-b9b2b68c61bf
What would the overheads be on the permanent member of staff?
Why is this outside IR35? It looks like a single customer who controls the person as an employee - tax avoidance by the client? Or has it changed?
Interesting that they think a normal planning officer is able to do TPOs.
Disclosure - I got out of contracting soon after the original IR35 f*ckup.
1. The political story
2. The emotional stuff (later)
Then a condensed version combining both. I can see him making £5-10m from these books alone, worldwide
Pretty likely if she goes in head first on tax cuts, no?
Leon will perhaps now pull-out the bit where I said that British soil was less propitious than European competitors, but more basically I just mean that they can grow quite a lot of produce in Europe that the UK cannot.
And when I say UK, I mean the whole country not just the Thames Valley, Kent and East Anglia.
Vol 1: Wiffle
Vol 2: Piffle
And even NZ is quite crap. Small market, and the supermarket industry is a duopoly.
Great climate for growing, veges are good, but trying to find really good quality meat is actually quite hard. Even finding good wine is hard.