I found Mordaunt's line that (paraphrasing) "the government has no business dictating how pubs arrange their toilet facilities" mildly reassuring. If (that's a big IF) she applies that line of thought to other aspects of policy making I'd be more relaxed about her as PM (but I'm still hoping Sunak scrapes in somehow).
Except that, as Cyclefree pointed out on the previous thread, that is in contradiction to Mordaunt's previous on-the-record stance on such trans issues and, more importantly, her complete denial Boris-style that she ever took those positions, together with her discredited denial of positions on other issues.
Lack of faith in politicians is the issue. Having seen the downfall of one PM on the back of repeated lies, I've had enough of lying PMs and don't want another that operates from the Boris/Trump playbook.
Err --- it is possible to change your mind. As SKS seems to have on, say, the matter of Jeremy Corbyn.
One moment, he is happy to campaign for Corbyn as PM; next moment Corbyn is not fit to be in the party.
All fair, I spose, as SKS can say in the light of later evidence, he has changed his mind.
There all kinds of issues on which ENTIRE political parties have changed their minds very quickly.
The Tories, Labour, LibDems ALL changed their minds on University tuition fees when they moved from Opposition to Government (the SNP is a honourable exception).
— Rishi Sunak privately lobbied Cabinet to impose a major new levy on petrol and diesel last year
— Sunak said it was needed to raise Treasury funds
— would've added £100s to annual petrol bills
— HMT drew up policy but Cabinet vetoed plan
Sounds like that was how he managed to get them to agree to the NI tax rise. "If you really don't want to put up tax on fuel then how about we increase NI..?"
Sounds smart. But not good during a leadership contest.
I found Mordaunt's line that (paraphrasing) "the government has no business dictating how pubs arrange their toilet facilities" mildly reassuring. If (that's a big IF) she applies that line of thought to other aspects of policy making I'd be more relaxed about her as PM (but I'm still hoping Sunak scrapes in somehow).
Except that, as Cyclefree pointed out on the previous thread, that is in contradiction to Mordaunt's previous on-the-record stance on such trans issues and, more importantly, her complete denial Boris-style that she ever took those positions, together with her discredited denial of positions on other issues.
Lack of faith in politicians is the issue. Having seen the downfall of one PM on the back of repeated lies, I've had enough of lying PMs and don't want another that operates from the Boris/Trump playbook.
Maybe she's been on a journey.
If she’s been on a journey, she’d say she’s been on a journey. Instead, she’s denying that she ever held the former positions, despite the evidence.
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
I don't know about all the media chosing Penny. The Mail is still sniping at her and that paper appeals to many of the Party's core voters.
I was asked on the previous thread why I thought Liz would be ghastly. I'll admit that I have a gut reaction against her perchant for dressing up (I feel the same about about the historian Lucy Worsley). But also I feel dread looking at her supporters. Are we going to see JRM and madNad continue in Cabinet? That idiot IDS has been supporting her. Is he going to make a come back?
I found Mordaunt's line that (paraphrasing) "the government has no business dictating how pubs arrange their toilet facilities" mildly reassuring. If (that's a big IF) she applies that line of thought to other aspects of policy making I'd be more relaxed about her as PM (but I'm still hoping Sunak scrapes in somehow).
Except that, as Cyclefree pointed out on the previous thread, that is in contradiction to Mordaunt's previous on-the-record stance on such trans issues and, more importantly, her complete denial Boris-style that she ever took those positions, together with her discredited denial of positions on other issues.
Lack of faith in politicians is the issue. Having seen the downfall of one PM on the back of repeated lies, I've had enough of lying PMs and don't want another that operates from the Boris/Trump playbook.
Maybe she's been on a journey.
If she’s been on a journey, she’d say she’s been on a journey. Instead, she’s denying that she ever held the former positions, despite the evidence.
In that respect, she’s Boris Johnson in a dress.
I think that is rubbish. These are very small molehills being made into Himalayan sized mountains.
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Fair enough there just seemed to be an overwhelming tide on here of "extremists" let's do anything and everything and lock us down forever was that Mrs Smith at Number 34 I saw who went out when she shouldn't have.
Perhaps mirroring the country as a whole, that said but disappointing nevertheless.
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
I don't know about all the media chosing Penny. The Mail is still sniping at her and that paper appeals to many of the Party's core voters.
I was asked on the previous thread why I thought Liz would be ghastly. I'll admit that I have a gut reaction against her perchant for dressing up (I feel the same about about the historian Lucy Worsley). But also I feel dread looking at her supporters. Are we going to see JRM and madNad continue in Cabinet? That idiot IDS has been supporting her. Is he going to make a come back?
What worries me is she'd nuke the Ruritanians for disrespecting the British Consul or something.
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40% desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island.
Fairly low humidity - mid twenties % at the hottest part of the day
Yes, thank God. The real risk is the high overnight minima - no sleep - and anyone doing anything active in the sun
Quite worrying for those of us with dicky tickers but norwich i think will be near enough the coast to escape the highest temps.
Actually, mate, the Monday forecast is 40C in Norwich. So I’d take precautions. Maybe find a bedroom with aircon. A hotel?
Ive got a mini aircon unit, good quality one and my bedroom faces north so ill hide out there from monday lunchtime given the worst heat is building in Monday by 3ish.
That’s basically my plan, too. Hunker down
I enjoy sun and hot weather but over about 35C I start to suffer (with no aircon) - mild headaches and dizziness
40C is simply grim
Stay hydrated and remember that alcohol dehydrates you.
In Aus we'd regularly have 40C+ days and the grown ups (I was a child) would drink beer outside in that weather, but would drink lots of water too. People in this country haven't always grasped that concept.
If you're drinking alcohol in the heat, have one glass of water for every glass of alcohol. That will help prevent the headaches and dizziness.
Just drink what seem insane amounts of water. You can get kidney stones as a result of not very long being dehydrated. From personal experience in the heat of Pakistan.
I did not know that! I'm getting some water right now.
If I get water poisoning I'll blame you though
You jest, but more deaths in the UK are attributed to over- than under-hydration.
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
I don't know about all the media chosing Penny. The Mail is still sniping at her and that paper appeals to many of the Party's core voters.
I was asked on the previous thread why I thought Liz would be ghastly. I'll admit that I have a gut reaction against her perchant for dressing up (I feel the same about about the historian Lucy Worsley). But also I feel dread looking at her supporters. Are we going to see JRM and madNad continue in Cabinet? That idiot IDS has been supporting her. Is he going to make a come back?
Answer to your last questions is "yes" to all three. If that does turn out to be the case my boycott of my traditional vote in teh Conservative box will continue, and I suggest a lot of others will think similarly. Truss is Starmer's best hope of power.
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
"...country have chosen her as our PM"
I don't think so. Hardly anyone has heard of her let alone "chosen" her at the ballot box or otherwise.
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40% desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island.
Fairly low humidity - mid twenties % at the hottest part of the day
Yes, thank God. The real risk is the high overnight minima - no sleep - and anyone doing anything active in the sun
Quite worrying for those of us with dicky tickers but norwich i think will be near enough the coast to escape the highest temps.
Actually, mate, the Monday forecast is 40C in Norwich. So I’d take precautions. Maybe find a bedroom with aircon. A hotel?
Ive got a mini aircon unit, good quality one and my bedroom faces north so ill hide out there from monday lunchtime given the worst heat is building in Monday by 3ish.
That’s basically my plan, too. Hunker down
I enjoy sun and hot weather but over about 35C I start to suffer (with no aircon) - mild headaches and dizziness
40C is simply grim
Stay hydrated and remember that alcohol dehydrates you.
In Aus we'd regularly have 40C+ days and the grown ups (I was a child) would drink beer outside in that weather, but would drink lots of water too. People in this country haven't always grasped that concept.
If you're drinking alcohol in the heat, have one glass of water for every glass of alcohol. That will help prevent the headaches and dizziness.
Just drink what seem insane amounts of water. You can get kidney stones as a result of not very long being dehydrated. From personal experience in the heat of Pakistan.
I did not know that! I'm getting some water right now.
If I get water poisoning I'll blame you though
You jest, but more deaths in the UK are attributed to over- than under-hydration.
“Deaths from MDMA” in the ‘90s were often attributed to this. People drinking half a dozen pints an hour of water.
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
"...country have chosen her as our PM"
I don't think so. Hardly anyone has heard of her, let alone "chosen" her at the ballot box or otherwise.
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
I don't know about all the media chosing Penny. The Mail is still sniping at her and that paper appeals to many of the Party's core voters.
I was asked on the previous thread why I thought Liz would be ghastly. I'll admit that I have a gut reaction against her perchant for dressing up (I feel the same about about the historian Lucy Worsley). But also I feel dread looking at her supporters. Are we going to see JRM and madNad continue in Cabinet? That idiot IDS has been supporting her. Is he going to make a come back?
Answer to your last questions is "yes" to all three. If that does turn out to be the case my boycott of my traditional vote in teh Conservative box will continue, and I suggest a lot of others will think similarly. Truss is Starmer's best hope of power.
It is beyond depressing. I hoped that Johnson falling meant the end of Cabinet for these fools.
Truss will be a disaster. She is continuity Johnson with the added risk that the job will go totally to her head and send her bonkers within months.
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
"...country have chosen her as our PM"
I don't think so. Hardly anyone has heard of her, let alone "chosen" her at the ballot box or otherwise.
So just like any other PM then.
That is true my friend but the original poster suggested the country was actively involved in this. The country is not!
Out of interest, what do you think of the current Tory party?
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
I don't know about all the media chosing Penny. The Mail is still sniping at her and that paper appeals to many of the Party's core voters.
I was asked on the previous thread why I thought Liz would be ghastly. I'll admit that I have a gut reaction against her perchant for dressing up (I feel the same about about the historian Lucy Worsley). But also I feel dread looking at her supporters. Are we going to see JRM and madNad continue in Cabinet? That idiot IDS has been supporting her. Is he going to make a come back?
Answer to your last questions is "yes" to all three. If that does turn out to be the case my boycott of my traditional vote in teh Conservative box will continue, and I suggest a lot of others will think similarly. Truss is Starmer's best hope of power.
It is beyond depressing. I hoped that Johnson falling meant the end of Cabinet for these fools.
Truss will be a disaster. She is continuity Johnson with the added risk that the job will go totally to her head and send her bonkers within months.
If you want a Labour/LD government you might want to cheer her on. As I think you have higher standards than that I guess you won't.
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
I don't know about all the media chosing Penny. The Mail is still sniping at her and that paper appeals to many of the Party's core voters.
I was asked on the previous thread why I thought Liz would be ghastly. I'll admit that I have a gut reaction against her perchant for dressing up (I feel the same about about the historian Lucy Worsley). But also I feel dread looking at her supporters. Are we going to see JRM and madNad continue in Cabinet? That idiot IDS has been supporting her. Is he going to make a come back?
Answer to your last questions is "yes" to all three. If that does turn out to be the case my boycott of my traditional vote in teh Conservative box will continue, and I suggest a lot of others will think similarly. Truss is Starmer's best hope of power.
It is beyond depressing. I hoped that Johnson falling meant the end of Cabinet for these fools.
Truss will be a disaster. She is continuity Johnson with the added risk that the job will go totally to her head and send her bonkers within months.
If you want a Labour/LD government you might want to cheer her on. As I think you have higher standards than that I guess you won't.
I was on the "Cruella for PM" campaign.
Cruella makes Priti look like a hard left socialist. What a despicable character she is!
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
Bollocks. He just liked talking shit. Anyone who bangs on about doom long enough is 'proved right' when some shit happens at some point. Shit happens.
It's like Leon, banging on about everything being a crisis. We didn't get 50 million UK deaths from Covid, but he was 'right' that it did turn out to be kind of a big deal.
I found Mordaunt's line that (paraphrasing) "the government has no business dictating how pubs arrange their toilet facilities" mildly reassuring. If (that's a big IF) she applies that line of thought to other aspects of policy making I'd be more relaxed about her as PM (but I'm still hoping Sunak scrapes in somehow).
Except that, as Cyclefree pointed out on the previous thread, that is in contradiction to Mordaunt's previous on-the-record stance on such trans issues and, more importantly, her complete denial Boris-style that she ever took those positions, together with her discredited denial of positions on other issues.
Lack of faith in politicians is the issue. Having seen the downfall of one PM on the back of repeated lies, I've had enough of lying PMs and don't want another that operates from the Boris/Trump playbook.
Err --- it is possible to change your mind. As SKS seems to have on, say, the matter of Jeremy Corbyn.
One moment, he is happy to campaign for Corbyn as PM; next moment Corbyn is not fit to be in the party.
All fair, I spose, as SKS can say in the light of later evidence, he has changed his mind.
There all kinds of issues on which ENTIRE political parties have changed their minds very quickly.
The Tories, Labour, LibDems ALL changed their minds on University tuition fees when they moved from Opposition to Government (the SNP is a honourable exception).
The SNP has moved their position from independence will be great coz we can be like Ireland, to being like Iceland, to being like Norway, to being in the EU.
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
I don't know about all the media chosing Penny. The Mail is still sniping at her and that paper appeals to many of the Party's core voters.
I was asked on the previous thread why I thought Liz would be ghastly. I'll admit that I have a gut reaction against her perchant for dressing up (I feel the same about about the historian Lucy Worsley). But also I feel dread looking at her supporters. Are we going to see JRM and madNad continue in Cabinet? That idiot IDS has been supporting her. Is he going to make a come back?
The dressing up seems more relevant to Worsley’s TV presenting role…?
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
Penny's answers on trans issues were spot on, she's clearly been reading my posts.
She'd get us off these pointless wars and onto actual policies again. She must win.
She will win. She has the big Mo. Media and the country have chosen her as our PM.
So Boris Johnson gone, Penny as PM, do we really need to elect the party of Richard Burgon, long Bailey, dianne Abbott, Sultana etc etc etc to the government benches now? Starmer is both funded by the Trade Unions and has made no effort at all to purge all these people out of his party.
"...country have chosen her as our PM"
I don't think so. Hardly anyone has heard of her, let alone "chosen" her at the ballot box or otherwise.
So just like any other PM then.
That is true my friend but the original poster suggested the country was actively involved in this. The country is not!
Out of interest, what do you think of the current Tory party?
I know it is a bit obscure, but in a sense the country is involved, or at least those constituencies that returned a Conservative MP. The bit where there is less representation of "normal" people is in the final stage. IMO it should all be down to MPs who the leaders of parties in parliament. If parties must involve their largely maniac membership it should be the other way round.
I'm quite interested in Mordaunt's opposition to Planning Permission in Jan this year for a further Electrical Interconnector Cable from Portsmouth to France.
Her alleged reason (TImes) was: MP for Portsmouth North Penny Mordaunt, a UK trade minister and former defence secretary, has reportedly spoken out against the scheme. According to The Times she said it would make Britain more reliant on France, which has threatened to interrupt supplies in disputes over fishing.
I am sure they would try, however recently they have been importing electricity as they have not invested in their nuclear power stations (newest working reactor was started up around 2000) so they are about as reliable as a 1970s Citroen CX. It might seem to be the other way around.
The decision to refuse permission was finally made by Kwasi Kwarteng, who afaics seems to be a bit of a ... not very impressive - based on a couple of recent decisions.
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
Bollocks. He just liked talking shit. Anyone who bangs on about doom long enough is 'proved right' when some shit happens at some point. Shit happens.
It's like Leon, banging on about everything being a crisis. We didn't get 50 million UK deaths from Covid, but he was 'right' that it did turn out to be kind of a big deal.
He explicitly said that the fiscal measures would come back and bite us. They have.
He explicitly said that the lockdown measures were an egregious assault on our civil liberties. They were.
— Rishi Sunak privately lobbied Cabinet to impose a major new levy on petrol and diesel last year
— Sunak said it was needed to raise Treasury funds
— would've added £100s to annual petrol bills
— HMT drew up policy but Cabinet vetoed plan
I'd have scaled the tax relief business receives with the mpg of the vehicle they are driving.
Of course there would be exceptions for industries who need 4x4s, vans and lorries. But if you're a IT freelancer/hair dresser/widget salesman you shouldn't be able to put a Q7/X5/Jeep etc on the business.
I found Mordaunt's line that (paraphrasing) "the government has no business dictating how pubs arrange their toilet facilities" mildly reassuring. If (that's a big IF) she applies that line of thought to other aspects of policy making I'd be more relaxed about her as PM (but I'm still hoping Sunak scrapes in somehow).
Except that, as Cyclefree pointed out on the previous thread, that is in contradiction to Mordaunt's previous on-the-record stance on such trans issues and, more importantly, her complete denial Boris-style that she ever took those positions, together with her discredited denial of positions on other issues.
Lack of faith in politicians is the issue. Having seen the downfall of one PM on the back of repeated lies, I've had enough of lying PMs and don't want another that operates from the Boris/Trump playbook.
Err --- it is possible to change your mind. As SKS seems to have on, say, the matter of Jeremy Corbyn.
One moment, he is happy to campaign for Corbyn as PM; next moment Corbyn is not fit to be in the party.
All fair, I spose, as SKS can say in the light of later evidence, he has changed his mind.
There all kinds of issues on which ENTIRE political parties have changed their minds very quickly.
The Tories, Labour, LibDems ALL changed their minds on University tuition fees when they moved from Opposition to Government (the SNP is a honourable exception).
The SNP has moved their position from independence will be great coz we can be like Ireland, to being like Iceland, to being like Norway, to being in the EU.
Mebbes.
But, we can still give the SNP credit for being consistent on University tuition fees, no?
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
It wasn't obvious at the time. Everyone pilloried him for pointing it out. It's blindingly obvious now of course. And everyone agrees.
He was a contrarian and sadly PB doesn't like contrarians.
Some fine examples of McCain syndrome on here today.
How the democrats liked little Johnny, wasn't he civilised in comparison to that nasty Mr Trump? Isn't he the type of republican we like?
It is all a front of course. They liked McCain, not because he was the type of republican they liked, but because he was the sort of republican they could easily beat.
Its the same with Penny Wokey. She's the left's candidate for tory leader, because she plays on their turf, and so is eminently beatable. Actually, Penny is the opposite of the candidate they fear most.
— Rishi Sunak privately lobbied Cabinet to impose a major new levy on petrol and diesel last year
— Sunak said it was needed to raise Treasury funds
— would've added £100s to annual petrol bills
— HMT drew up policy but Cabinet vetoed plan
I'd have scaled the tax relief business receives with the mpg of the vehicle they are driving.
Of course there would be exceptions for industries who need 4x4s, vans and lorries. But if you're a IT freelancer/hair dresser/widget salesman you shouldn't be able to put a Q7/X5/Jeep etc on the business.
Does depend where you live. A hairdresser-in-your-home in the Borders will want a 4x4.
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40% desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island.
Fairly low humidity - mid twenties % at the hottest part of the day
Yes, thank God. The real risk is the high overnight minima - no sleep - and anyone doing anything active in the sun
Quite worrying for those of us with dicky tickers but norwich i think will be near enough the coast to escape the highest temps.
Actually, mate, the Monday forecast is 40C in Norwich. So I’d take precautions. Maybe find a bedroom with aircon. A hotel?
Ive got a mini aircon unit, good quality one and my bedroom faces north so ill hide out there from monday lunchtime given the worst heat is building in Monday by 3ish.
That’s basically my plan, too. Hunker down
I enjoy sun and hot weather but over about 35C I start to suffer (with no aircon) - mild headaches and dizziness
40C is simply grim
Stay hydrated and remember that alcohol dehydrates you.
In Aus we'd regularly have 40C+ days and the grown ups (I was a child) would drink beer outside in that weather, but would drink lots of water too. People in this country haven't always grasped that concept.
If you're drinking alcohol in the heat, have one glass of water for every glass of alcohol. That will help prevent the headaches and dizziness.
Just drink what seem insane amounts of water. You can get kidney stones as a result of not very long being dehydrated. From personal experience in the heat of Pakistan.
I did not know that! I'm getting some water right now.
If I get water poisoning I'll blame you though
You jest, but more deaths in the UK are attributed to over- than under-hydration.
“Deaths from MDMA” in the ‘90s were often attributed to this. People drinking half a dozen pints an hour of water.
One pint of water an hour is good.
Or several litres during the day if you are outside Thanet.
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
Bollocks. He just liked talking shit. Anyone who bangs on about doom long enough is 'proved right' when some shit happens at some point. Shit happens.
It's like Leon, banging on about everything being a crisis. We didn't get 50 million UK deaths from Covid, but he was 'right' that it did turn out to be kind of a big deal.
He explicitly said that the fiscal measures would come back and bite us. They have.
He explicitly said that the lockdown measures were an egregious assault on our civil liberties. They were.
He was somewhat right on the fiscal measures and they did go too far / were poorly thought out.
He was generally wrong about the lockdown measures - at least in so far as he favoured doing almost nothing and used stupid examples to try and prove his point. Indeed he was proved utterly wrong with his claims that the Government would not revoke the measures once the crisis was passed.
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
Bollocks. He just liked talking shit. Anyone who bangs on about doom long enough is 'proved right' when some shit happens at some point. Shit happens.
It's like Leon, banging on about everything being a crisis. We didn't get 50 million UK deaths from Covid, but he was 'right' that it did turn out to be kind of a big deal.
He explicitly said that the fiscal measures would come back and bite us. They have.
He explicitly said that the lockdown measures were an egregious assault on our civil liberties. They were.
And nobody objected to him saying any of that.
It was all the other bullshit that he said that was objected to.
Spout enough bullshit and some of it may be right. Sprinkle some truths within your bullshit, doesn't justify the bullshit.
Its like people who act like Nick Griffin was a seer for speaking about sexual abuse, when that was the only damned thing he got right (and plenty of non-racists spoke up too) and speaking about that one thing doesn't justify all the other vile bullshit he came out with.
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
Bollocks. He just liked talking shit. Anyone who bangs on about doom long enough is 'proved right' when some shit happens at some point. Shit happens.
It's like Leon, banging on about everything being a crisis. We didn't get 50 million UK deaths from Covid, but he was 'right' that it did turn out to be kind of a big deal.
He explicitly said that the fiscal measures would come back and bite us. They have.
He explicitly said that the lockdown measures were an egregious assault on our civil liberties. They were.
Duh. We all knew that, at the time. The only difference is that the rest of us thought the alternative (health service collapse) was worse. And because it didn't happen, we can't now prove it.
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
Bollocks. He just liked talking shit. Anyone who bangs on about doom long enough is 'proved right' when some shit happens at some point. Shit happens.
It's like Leon, banging on about everything being a crisis. We didn't get 50 million UK deaths from Covid, but he was 'right' that it did turn out to be kind of a big deal.
He explicitly said that the fiscal measures would come back and bite us. They have.
He explicitly said that the lockdown measures were an egregious assault on our civil liberties. They were.
Sure.
This is an issue where I find going with the herd to have a lot to be said for it. Doing something markedly different from every single one of the say 100 vaguely comparable countries, except praps Sweden but that is highly controversial, with Boris at the helm, would be over courageous. esp knowing what we now know of Boris's style of government.
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
It wasn't obvious at the time. Everyone pilloried him for pointing it out. It's blindingly obvious now of course. And everyone agrees.
He was a contrarian and sadly PB doesn't like contrarians.
Thinking longer term about temperature in buildings: For some years I have argued that it would make economic sense -- in some buildings and some climates -- to have roofs that became reflective in hot weather, and absorbent in cold weather. I can think of several ways to do that, but have never tried to go beyond the basic concept because I don't have the technical knowledge to explore them, and don't want to take months out of my retirement to acquire it.
But if you do, feel free to use this "chameleon roof" idea.
I found Mordaunt's line that (paraphrasing) "the government has no business dictating how pubs arrange their toilet facilities" mildly reassuring. If (that's a big IF) she applies that line of thought to other aspects of policy making I'd be more relaxed about her as PM (but I'm still hoping Sunak scrapes in somehow).
Except that, as Cyclefree pointed out on the previous thread, that is in contradiction to Mordaunt's previous on-the-record stance on such trans issues and, more importantly, her complete denial Boris-style that she ever took those positions, together with her discredited denial of positions on other issues.
Lack of faith in politicians is the issue. Having seen the downfall of one PM on the back of repeated lies, I've had enough of lying PMs and don't want another that operates from the Boris/Trump playbook.
Err --- it is possible to change your mind. As SKS seems to have on, say, the matter of Jeremy Corbyn.
One moment, he is happy to campaign for Corbyn as PM; next moment Corbyn is not fit to be in the party.
All fair, I spose, as SKS can say in the light of later evidence, he has changed his mind.
There all kinds of issues on which ENTIRE political parties have changed their minds very quickly.
The Tories, Labour, LibDems ALL changed their minds on University tuition fees when they moved from Opposition to Government (the SNP is a honourable exception).
The SNP has moved their position from independence will be great coz we can be like Ireland, to being like Iceland, to being like Norway, to being in the EU.
Mebbes.
But, we can still give the SNP credit for being consistent on University tuition fees, no?
Sure. All parties are consistent on some things. The SNP’s stance on the Lords is something they’ve stuck with through thick and thin.
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
Don't delude yourself Ishmael,. You were clapping lockdown like all the other seals on the site in 2020 and 2021. There was almost universal approval of shutting schools down for months on here.
Policies that no sensible person would suggest nowadays were rapturously applauded and defended to the hilt. You were in the vanguard of that defence.
I found Mordaunt's line that (paraphrasing) "the government has no business dictating how pubs arrange their toilet facilities" mildly reassuring. If (that's a big IF) she applies that line of thought to other aspects of policy making I'd be more relaxed about her as PM (but I'm still hoping Sunak scrapes in somehow).
Except that, as Cyclefree pointed out on the previous thread, that is in contradiction to Mordaunt's previous on-the-record stance on such trans issues and, more importantly, her complete denial Boris-style that she ever took those positions, together with her discredited denial of positions on other issues.
Lack of faith in politicians is the issue. Having seen the downfall of one PM on the back of repeated lies, I've had enough of lying PMs and don't want another that operates from the Boris/Trump playbook.
Err --- it is possible to change your mind. As SKS seems to have on, say, the matter of Jeremy Corbyn.
One moment, he is happy to campaign for Corbyn as PM; next moment Corbyn is not fit to be in the party.
All fair, I spose, as SKS can say in the light of later evidence, he has changed his mind.
There all kinds of issues on which ENTIRE political parties have changed their minds very quickly.
The Tories, Labour, LibDems ALL changed their minds on University tuition fees when they moved from Opposition to Government (the SNP is a honourable exception).
The SNP has moved their position from independence will be great coz we can be like Ireland, to being like Iceland, to being like Norway, to being in the EU.
Mebbes.
But, we can still give the SNP credit for being consistent on University tuition fees, no?
Let's not forget the parties that said consistently indy will be crap coz Scotland will be out of the EU. Some journey they've been on..
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
It wasn't obvious at the time. Everyone pilloried him for pointing it out. It's blindingly obvious now of course. And everyone agrees.
He was a contrarian and sadly PB doesn't like contrarians.
Yes. That occurred to me. A rerun vote where Boris has the casting vote to put one through? Then another to see who faces them? Or do they force the membership to struggle with the "far too complicated and unfair" AV? Scenes!
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
It wasn't obvious at the time. Everyone pilloried him for pointing it out. It's blindingly obvious now of course. And everyone agrees.
He was a contrarian and sadly PB doesn't like contrarians.
Seems she's worried she doesn't have the numbers. I suspect she's right. I think she'll finish third.
Neither Sunak not Truss will lend votes to the other to push Mordaunt out, because neither have enough to lend.
But between Braverman and Badenoch I think Truss has more support than Mordaunt does.
I said this morning that this looks to me like it's heading for Sunak v. Truss, and Truss would win that.
Kemi could secure herself a big role by directing her supporters to Mourdant though, and it would also enhance Mourdant's credentials.
Strategically, Mourdant needs to have someone anti-Woke v. senior in her team because not everyone will trust her word and it will reduce nervousness about her.
— Rishi Sunak privately lobbied Cabinet to impose a major new levy on petrol and diesel last year
— Sunak said it was needed to raise Treasury funds
— would've added £100s to annual petrol bills
— HMT drew up policy but Cabinet vetoed plan
I'd have scaled the tax relief business receives with the mpg of the vehicle they are driving.
Of course there would be exceptions for industries who need 4x4s, vans and lorries. But if you're a IT freelancer/hair dresser/widget salesman you shouldn't be able to put a Q7/X5/Jeep etc on the business.
Does depend where you live. A hairdresser-in-your-home in the Borders will want a 4x4.
I accept edge cases will suffer. But the current system is too lenient and encourages excess. And as king of the world I'd remove all fuel tax relief and pass the cost to the customer.
With my hindsight vision enabled, personally I would have basically done very little to halt COVID in the UK. I have now come to realise that the old people for whom we burned through £400bn to save the lives are bunch of ungrateful bastards and will continue to screw every last penny out of working age people until they die. If a few hundred thousand extra had snuffed it then it would have solved the care crisis, the NHS crisis, pensions overhang and freed up hundreds of thousands of homes for working age people, and we wouldn't have spent £400bn to keep them alive. My generation and my daughter's generation wouldn't be facing decades of high taxes for it and we'd have a lot of fiscal headroom.
If they weren't so ungrateful I'd maybe feel differently about it, but all I see is the old wankers we ruined two years of our lives for, spend £400bn on saving rinse generations below them for all we're worth so they can live forever with their hands in our pockets.
Yes. That occurred to me. A rerun vote where Boris has the casting vote to put one through? Then another to see who faces them? Or do they force the membership to struggle with the "far too complicated and unfair" AV? Scenes!
What happened to the MP who shall be nameless, BTW? Isn't he involved?
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
Don't delude yourself Ishmael,. You were clapping lockdown like all the other seals on the site in 2020 and 2021. There was almost universal approval of shutting schools down for months on here.
Policies that no sensible person would suggest nowadays were rapturously applauded and defended to the hilt. You were in the vanguard of that defence.
I thought shutting the schools was great. My son did far better being schooled remotely than he did being in the classroom. Moreover we have caught Covid twice now - both times brought home from school by my son. Thankfully by the time that first happened we were already jabbed so the effects were milder but if that had happened prior to the vaccine rollout I am not sure I would still be here.
Contrarian was also vehemently anti-vaccine. Undoubtedly one of the most stupid positions ever adopted by anyone on here. And that is beating some stuff competition.
— Rishi Sunak privately lobbied Cabinet to impose a major new levy on petrol and diesel last year
— Sunak said it was needed to raise Treasury funds
— would've added £100s to annual petrol bills
— HMT drew up policy but Cabinet vetoed plan
I'd have scaled the tax relief business receives with the mpg of the vehicle they are driving.
Of course there would be exceptions for industries who need 4x4s, vans and lorries. But if you're a IT freelancer/hair dresser/widget salesman you shouldn't be able to put a Q7/X5/Jeep etc on the business.
Utterly impractical unfortunately. Firm over the road run two transit dropsides and two Ford rangers. They need the transits, couldn't do business without them, the Rangers are a fiddle so the owners can run a company car without paying much benefit in kind tax. No earthly way to prove that mind you...
That is a terrible review. A decent review tels you what the book is like, and then what the reviewer thinks of it. That moves straight to part B. It's a mere hatchet job, and why you think that is a good thing is a mystery.
And when I see her described as "giggly" my reaction is the same as it is to last night's thread header talking about her "trilling" something. nobody would write the same or any equvalent about a man, and it is a dead giveaway that the writer's principal beef is that she is young, attractive and female.
Worst building i visted was a university department where each floor had an inner central open plan offices which had glass roofs like a greenhouse and glass walls all round. Walkway around each was surrounded by other smaller offices to the outside world, which were all glass....
What you have done their is make a greenhouses inside a greenhouse....
I imagine great for growing tomatoes, less so growing PhD students.
Is the Cambridge History Library still a thing? A friend of mine lived in Fenland City and studied there in the summer hols - I remember him telling me about its sun-concentrating design, two blocks at an angle reflecting onto the inner quarter-domed reading room.
It's now the Seeley History Library, and seems to be up for decolonisation by the Planks:
Three university societies have backed the petition which is calling on the university's history department to rename the Seeley Historical Library because its current name celebrates John Robert Seeley, a Cambridge historian “known for his justification of the British Empire" (Wiki)
Heat question: closing blinds obviously makes sense (is that south-facing only or all windows?) but is it worth closing curtains?
Here's the technique to keep your house as cool as possible (assuming it is not air conditioned). This works in a quite well insulated new build, your mileage may vary in older properties.
1. From early in the morning have everything opened to get air blowing through 2. As soon as the sun hits your sun-facing windows in the morning close them up along with any blinds, curtains etc. that you have 3. When the outside temperature reaches that inside the house close all the remaining windows along with blinds, curtains etc. 4. Keep everything closed and try and avoid opening anything to let the hot air in 5. In the evening when the outside temperature drops below the temperature inside then open everything back up again
You have to be really strict on following this. Like opening the door of your house on a freezing cold day will let the cold in, the same is true in reverse on these hot days.
I am considering in the future installing shutters on our windows. They would make a big difference and there is a very good reason they are quite common on the continent.
External continental style roller shutters are great for keeping out the heat, and incidentally great for security too. My dad's flat in Paris had them. I haven't seen them in England in the same style.
My top tip for dehydration is to drink proper Coke (with sugar) and a packet of salty crisps. The Coke provides fluid and sugar, the sugar helps the salt to be absorbed. I have done this on a number of occasions when travelling and usually people feel better within an hour or two. Both Coke and salty crisps are easy to find when travelling.
When a person lives a long time in a very hot climate, the body adapts and less salt is lost in sweating, but this does take a few days. A short sharp sweaty few days can cause people to lose a lot of salt. Water toxicity is really a problem of salt loss, at least in people with normal kidney function, as people pee more.
Normally I have a fairly low salt diet, because of blood pressure, but at times like this it is needed.
Seems she's worried she doesn't have the numbers. I suspect she's right. I think she'll finish third.
Neither Sunak not Truss will lend votes to the other to push Mordaunt out, because neither have enough to lend.
But between Braverman and Badenoch I think Truss has more support than Mordaunt does.
I think Penny will just squeeze through, but some or all of the following probably need to happen:
1. Some possible softness creeping in re Rishi’s support. She’d be in a much better place if she can tempt 5 or so switchers to come over from his campaign.
2. Absorbing a lot of TT support. I’d be aiming for his endorsement.
3. A strong performance at the debate.
4. An ERG split between Kemi/Liz would be much more preferable than Liz absorbing Cruella’s votes. In the next round keeping second place is going to be very important psychologically.
Honestly though I am hopeful that Tory MPs realise over the weekend that a final 2 without Penny in it risks PM Truss under the influence of the ERG, and that is a situation they have to avoid at all costs.
With my hindsight vision enabled, personally I would have basically done very little to halt COVID in the UK. I have now come to realise that the old people for whom we burned through £400bn to save the lives are bunch of ungrateful bastards and will continue to screw every last penny out of working age people until they die. If a few hundred thousand extra had snuffed it then it would have solved the care crisis, the NHS crisis, pensions overhang and freed up hundreds of thousands of homes for working age people, and we wouldn't have spent £400bn to keep them alive. My generation and my daughter's generation wouldn't be facing decades of high taxes for it and we'd have a lot of fiscal headroom.
If they weren't so ungrateful I'd maybe feel differently about it, but all I see is the old wankers we ruined two years of our lives for, spend £400bn on saving rinse generations below them for all we're worth so they can live forever with their hands in our pockets.
And you base this contention on what evidence exactly, beyond your own bitter, twisted logic that is?
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
Don't delude yourself Ishmael,. You were clapping lockdown like all the other seals on the site in 2020 and 2021. There was almost universal approval of shutting schools down for months on here.
Policies that no sensible person would suggest nowadays were rapturously applauded and defended to the hilt. You were in the vanguard of that defence.
I thought shutting the schools was great. My son did far better being schooled remotely than he did being in the classroom. Moreover we have caught Covid twice now - both times brought home from school by my son. Thankfully by the time that first happened we were already jabbed so the effects were milder but if that had happened prior to the vaccine rollout I am not sure I would still be here.
Contrarian was also vehemently anti-vaccine. Undoubtedly one of the most stupid positions ever adopted by anyone on here. And that is beating some stuff competition.
Final sentence - you were thinking Blackadder when you wrote that, weren't you?
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
Don't delude yourself Ishmael,. You were clapping lockdown like all the other seals on the site in 2020 and 2021. There was almost universal approval of shutting schools down for months on here.
Policies that no sensible person would suggest nowadays were rapturously applauded and defended to the hilt. You were in the vanguard of that defence.
You weren't here so how do you know? Quotes to illustrate please, or it didn't happen.
And you entirely miss the point anyway. Per the analogy, anyone sane is recommending the amputation as against the alternative.
Worst building i visted was a university department where each floor had an inner central open plan offices which had glass roofs like a greenhouse and glass walls all round. Walkway around each was surrounded by other smaller offices to the outside world, which were all glass....
What you have done their is make a greenhouses inside a greenhouse....
I imagine great for growing tomatoes, less so growing PhD students.
Is the Cambridge History Library still a thing? A friend of mine lived in Fenland City and studied there in the summer hols - I remember him telling me about its sun-concentrating design, two blocks at an angle reflecting onto the inner quarter-domed reading room.
It's now the Seeley History Library, and seems to be up for decolonisation by the Planks:
Three university societies have backed the petition which is calling on the university's history department to rename the Seeley Historical Library because its current name celebrates John Robert Seeley, a Cambridge historian “known for his justification of the British Empire" (Wiki)
Governments change the names of their departments all the time (Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities?). Companies change their names all the time (Meta?). Even Prince Charles is planning to change his name on accession to the throne! Why can’t historical libraries change their names too?
It's funny that Sunak is being criticised for his Covid-onomics on here when IIRC it was only @contrarian who from the getgo foresaw the eventual situation we're in now.
Hold on a minute, I remember raising a lot of objections around the furlough scheme being as generous as it was and the seemingly unlimited extensions that kept being given. It should have been lesser funded and ended in April 2021 once we came out of lockdown. I was also unconvinced around the idea of just giving out loans to any "business" that asked for one without requiring proof that it actually traded and that it existed for at least some amount of time before COVID started. Additionally I'm also pretty sure I said that the self-employment grants were far, far too generous and impossible to properly police and should have been done as reclaimable rebate by HMRC depending on full year income vs previous year income.
There were a lot of people worrying about the eventual COVID bill at the time, you and I included.
Indeed, the criticism from early 2021 onwards especially was very widespread and from late 2021 Sunak's policies have been extremely criticised here.
The problem with contrarian was not that he didn't ask some good questions (he did) but that he used some very poor and extreme arguments to come to opposing conclusions.
Too many critics of lockdown policies were basically saying that there was no problem and people wouldn't die and it was all being done to further an agenda. That was gibberish.
I've quite openly said, and others like yourself have too, that we need to be more accepting of death and that trying to prevent every death isn't either possible or desirable at any price.
He was the forceful voice, of course jagged around the edges, that sounded warnings from the start. He foresaw that the measures would end up with the crisis we currently face.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
He was boringly overstating the obvious. Analogously, if the unanimous medical advice was that you needed one of your legs amputated, he was the voice crying in the wilderness "You'll be really crap in the 100 metre hurdles, I hope you realise."
Don't delude yourself Ishmael,. You were clapping lockdown like all the other seals on the site in 2020 and 2021. There was almost universal approval of shutting schools down for months on here.
Policies that no sensible person would suggest nowadays were rapturously applauded and defended to the hilt. You were in the vanguard of that defence.
You weren't here so how do you know? Quotes to illustrate please, or it didn't happen.
And you entirely miss the point anyway. Per the analogy, anyone sane is recommending the amputation as against the alternative.
I seem to recall a post from Robert confirming that Misty was very much present when Contrarian was posting. Could be my bad memory though.
With my hindsight vision enabled, personally I would have basically done very little to halt COVID in the UK. I have now come to realise that the old people for whom we burned through £400bn to save the lives are bunch of ungrateful bastards and will continue to screw every last penny out of working age people until they die. If a few hundred thousand extra had snuffed it then it would have solved the care crisis, the NHS crisis, pensions overhang and freed up hundreds of thousands of homes for working age people, and we wouldn't have spent £400bn to keep them alive. My generation and my daughter's generation wouldn't be facing decades of high taxes for it and we'd have a lot of fiscal headroom.
If they weren't so ungrateful I'd maybe feel differently about it, but all I see is the old wankers we ruined two years of our lives for, spend £400bn on saving rinse generations below them for all we're worth so they can live forever with their hands in our pockets.
At one point when contrarian accused Big G and his generation of being very selfish, poster after poster leapt to G's defence and a torrent of scorn was poured upon contrarian.
With my hindsight vision enabled, personally I would have basically done very little to halt COVID in the UK. I have now come to realise that the old people for whom we burned through £400bn to save the lives are bunch of ungrateful bastards and will continue to screw every last penny out of working age people until they die. If a few hundred thousand extra had snuffed it then it would have solved the care crisis, the NHS crisis, pensions overhang and freed up hundreds of thousands of homes for working age people, and we wouldn't have spent £400bn to keep them alive. My generation and my daughter's generation wouldn't be facing decades of high taxes for it and we'd have a lot of fiscal headroom.
If they weren't so ungrateful I'd maybe feel differently about it, but all I see is the old wankers we ruined two years of our lives for, spend £400bn on saving rinse generations below them for all we're worth so they can live forever with their hands in our pockets.
And you base this contention on what evidence exactly, beyond your own bitter, twisted logic that is?
Maths, the known costs of healthcare, care and other costs (pensions, benefits) of keeping someone over 80 alive for an additional year is very high, multiply that by a big number and you get a huge ongoing saving.
My contention that they are ungrateful is based on the polling support among the old for an NI rise they stand to benefit from which is being reaped from working age people. They are stealing from our generation because they don't want to stand the cost of their own care and healthcare. Fewer of them means less need for the theft.
I’m going to be in Humberston next week, near Cleethorpes. So on the east coast in NE Lincs. Currently forecast to be 29 Mon & Tue. So I’m escaping the worst of it, fingers crossed.
Forecast to be 34 Mon and 36 Tue at home. Glad I won’t be there!
Worst building i visted was a university department where each floor had an inner central open plan offices which had glass roofs like a greenhouse and glass walls all round. Walkway around each was surrounded by other smaller offices to the outside world, which were all glass....
What you have done their is make a greenhouses inside a greenhouse....
I imagine great for growing tomatoes, less so growing PhD students.
Is the Cambridge History Library still a thing? A friend of mine lived in Fenland City and studied there in the summer hols - I remember him telling me about its sun-concentrating design, two blocks at an angle reflecting onto the inner quarter-domed reading room.
It's now the Seeley History Library, and seems to be up for decolonisation by the Planks:
Three university societies have backed the petition which is calling on the university's history department to rename the Seeley Historical Library because its current name celebrates John Robert Seeley, a Cambridge historian “known for his justification of the British Empire" (Wiki)
Governments change the names of their departments all the time (Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities?). Companies change their names all the time (Meta?). Even Prince Charles is planning to change his name on accession to the throne! Why can’t historical libraries change their names too?
Because the entire point of a historical library is to preserve the past - warts and all - not to whitewash it and pretend it never happened?
Worst building i visted was a university department where each floor had an inner central open plan offices which had glass roofs like a greenhouse and glass walls all round. Walkway around each was surrounded by other smaller offices to the outside world, which were all glass....
What you have done their is make a greenhouses inside a greenhouse....
I imagine great for growing tomatoes, less so growing PhD students.
Is the Cambridge History Library still a thing? A friend of mine lived in Fenland City and studied there in the summer hols - I remember him telling me about its sun-concentrating design, two blocks at an angle reflecting onto the inner quarter-domed reading room.
It's now the Seeley History Library, and seems to be up for decolonisation by the Planks:
Three university societies have backed the petition which is calling on the university's history department to rename the Seeley Historical Library because its current name celebrates John Robert Seeley, a Cambridge historian “known for his justification of the British Empire" (Wiki)
Free speech and debate. I do wonder if its thermal behaviour has been modified. Actually very slightly surprised it is still standing - a 1970s building. Unmistakably a Stirling one with the tomato-soup wall tiles on the bits in between windows. Edit: or so I assume, from the similar coloration of the I think engineering building at Leicester which I once saw - sticky up rather than slab/dome and quite a contrast with the Lutyens war memorial in the same parkland.
Worst building i visted was a university department where each floor had an inner central open plan offices which had glass roofs like a greenhouse and glass walls all round. Walkway around each was surrounded by other smaller offices to the outside world, which were all glass....
What you have done their is make a greenhouses inside a greenhouse....
I imagine great for growing tomatoes, less so growing PhD students.
Is the Cambridge History Library still a thing? A friend of mine lived in Fenland City and studied there in the summer hols - I remember him telling me about its sun-concentrating design, two blocks at an angle reflecting onto the inner quarter-domed reading room.
It's now the Seeley History Library, and seems to be up for decolonisation by the Planks:
Three university societies have backed the petition which is calling on the university's history department to rename the Seeley Historical Library because its current name celebrates John Robert Seeley, a Cambridge historian “known for his justification of the British Empire" (Wiki)
Governments change the names of their departments all the time (Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities?). Companies change their names all the time (Meta?). Even Prince Charles is planning to change his name on accession to the throne! Why can’t historical libraries change their names too?
Because the entire point of a historical library is to preserve the past - warts and all - not to whitewash it and pretend it never happened?
They’re proposing changing the name of the library, not burning its contents.
With my hindsight vision enabled, personally I would have basically done very little to halt COVID in the UK. I have now come to realise that the old people for whom we burned through £400bn to save the lives are bunch of ungrateful bastards and will continue to screw every last penny out of working age people until they die. If a few hundred thousand extra had snuffed it then it would have solved the care crisis, the NHS crisis, pensions overhang and freed up hundreds of thousands of homes for working age people, and we wouldn't have spent £400bn to keep them alive. My generation and my daughter's generation wouldn't be facing decades of high taxes for it and we'd have a lot of fiscal headroom.
If they weren't so ungrateful I'd maybe feel differently about it, but all I see is the old wankers we ruined two years of our lives for, spend £400bn on saving rinse generations below them for all we're worth so they can live forever with their hands in our pockets.
My understanding is that you are extremely rich by virtue of doing some city of London money type thing. You may not be old and rich yet, but the trend is definitely in that direction. Is there some kind of "wrong sort of parasite" thing going on here?
With my hindsight vision enabled, personally I would have basically done very little to halt COVID in the UK. I have now come to realise that the old people for whom we burned through £400bn to save the lives are bunch of ungrateful bastards and will continue to screw every last penny out of working age people until they die. If a few hundred thousand extra had snuffed it then it would have solved the care crisis, the NHS crisis, pensions overhang and freed up hundreds of thousands of homes for working age people, and we wouldn't have spent £400bn to keep them alive. My generation and my daughter's generation wouldn't be facing decades of high taxes for it and we'd have a lot of fiscal headroom.
If they weren't so ungrateful I'd maybe feel differently about it, but all I see is the old wankers we ruined two years of our lives for, spend £400bn on saving rinse generations below them for all we're worth so they can live forever with their hands in our pockets.
If your life was 'ruined' by the Covid rules for two years, then I'd argue it might be a problem with your 'life'. The Covid restrictions were sh*t, but there was still lots to do. True, it might not be quite what you would ordinarily do, but there was still stuff to do. Heck, I had a five/six-year old to homeschool, and I don't appear to have found it as a challenging as you.
And if it saved a few hundred thousand people (not just oldies either), then fair enough. Especially for the first lockdown, where we were unsure what the heck we were facing. Sometimes you just have to knuckle down and get on with things.
I really don't understand how you can say your life was 'ruined'. And before you say, I like going out. I like doing things. I like visiting places. But when I could not do these, I adapted. I even found some new things I enjoyed.
Worst building i visted was a university department where each floor had an inner central open plan offices which had glass roofs like a greenhouse and glass walls all round. Walkway around each was surrounded by other smaller offices to the outside world, which were all glass....
What you have done their is make a greenhouses inside a greenhouse....
I imagine great for growing tomatoes, less so growing PhD students.
Is the Cambridge History Library still a thing? A friend of mine lived in Fenland City and studied there in the summer hols - I remember him telling me about its sun-concentrating design, two blocks at an angle reflecting onto the inner quarter-domed reading room.
It's now the Seeley History Library, and seems to be up for decolonisation by the Planks:
Three university societies have backed the petition which is calling on the university's history department to rename the Seeley Historical Library because its current name celebrates John Robert Seeley, a Cambridge historian “known for his justification of the British Empire" (Wiki)
Governments change the names of their departments all the time (Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities?). Companies change their names all the time (Meta?). Even Prince Charles is planning to change his name on accession to the throne! Why can’t historical libraries change their names too?
Because the entire point of a historical library is to preserve the past - warts and all - not to whitewash it and pretend it never happened?
There's a difference between providing access to historical books no matter how offensive, and honouring a historical figure by naming the library after them.
Worst building i visted was a university department where each floor had an inner central open plan offices which had glass roofs like a greenhouse and glass walls all round. Walkway around each was surrounded by other smaller offices to the outside world, which were all glass....
What you have done their is make a greenhouses inside a greenhouse....
I imagine great for growing tomatoes, less so growing PhD students.
Is the Cambridge History Library still a thing? A friend of mine lived in Fenland City and studied there in the summer hols - I remember him telling me about its sun-concentrating design, two blocks at an angle reflecting onto the inner quarter-domed reading room.
It's now the Seeley History Library, and seems to be up for decolonisation by the Planks:
Three university societies have backed the petition which is calling on the university's history department to rename the Seeley Historical Library because its current name celebrates John Robert Seeley, a Cambridge historian “known for his justification of the British Empire" (Wiki)
Governments change the names of their departments all the time (Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities?). Companies change their names all the time (Meta?). Even Prince Charles is planning to change his name on accession to the throne! Why can’t historical libraries change their names too?
Because the entire point of a historical library is to preserve the past - warts and all - not to whitewash it and pretend it never happened?
There's a difference between providing access to historical books no matter how offensive, and honouring a historical figure by naming the library after them.
But this goes straight to freedom of speech. They aren't saying he traded slaves, they are saying he held a view of history they disagree with.
Looney appears to have missed the religion of the current pm 'if' the UK.
Rishi Sunak is a Hindu. Does that mean disestablishment, too? Nasty undercurrent pops up every so often.
For a long time, it was legal for the heir to the throne to marry a Hindu, but not a Catholic.
Am well aware of that. I was brought up to know I could aspire to be anything in the UK. Except marry a royal or be PM. That was illegal. Thankfully we've moved on. Or most of us anyways.
I'm quite interested in Mordaunt's opposition to Planning Permission in Jan this year for a further Electrical Interconnector Cable from Portsmouth to France.
Her alleged reason (TImes) was: MP for Portsmouth North Penny Mordaunt, a UK trade minister and former defence secretary, has reportedly spoken out against the scheme. According to The Times she said it would make Britain more reliant on France, which has threatened to interrupt supplies in disputes over fishing.
I am sure they would try, however recently they have been importing electricity as they have not invested in their nuclear power stations (newest working reactor was started up around 2000) so they are about as reliable as a 1970s Citroen CX. It might seem to be the other way around.
The decision to refuse permission was finally made by Kwasi Kwarteng, who afaics seems to be a bit of a ... not very impressive - based on a couple of recent decisions.
Wasn't it because of the dodgy Russian finance? And local disruption?
I hope the MPs can somehow freeze Rishi out. Truss vs Mordaunt would be great news... for my book
It’s definitely not impossible.
He’s 19 short. People are assuming he can pick those up from the TT campaign but let’s say the lions share goes to PM, he is then relying on some Kemi and Suella switchers in the same way as Penny is.
In the meantime let’s say he has some poor debates and some more sub-optimal polling lands over the weekend.
Do a few MPs get nervous? Maybe start looking for a different horse?
Liz v Penny appears to me to be a perfectly possible end result. A bit of a shocker, but it wouldn’t take much to happen.
Among nearly 21,000 people in the U.K. Biobank cohort, alcohol intake above 7 weekly units (56 g, or about four standard drinks per week in the U.S.) was associated with markers of higher brain iron in multiple basal ganglia regions, according to Anya Topiwala, PhD, of the University of Oxford in England, and co-authors
Markers of higher brain iron were in turn associated with poorer scores on tests of executive function, fluid intelligence, and reaction speed, Topiwala and colleagues reported in PLoS Medicine.
"This is the first study, to our knowledge, demonstrating higher brain iron in moderate drinkers," Topiwala told MedPage Today. "The findings offer a potential pathway through which alcohol can cause cognitive decline."...
We don’t need all this academic studying, when we have Leon.
In preparation for the heatpocalypse, just made some posh iced coffee cubes. Use the giant ice cube trays as for whisky ice but fill with filter coffee / lungo. Then you just pop one in a glass and pour your frothy milk over the top. Lush.
That is a terrible review. A decent review tels you what the book is like, and then what the reviewer thinks of it. That moves straight to part B. It's a mere hatchet job, and why you think that is a good thing is a mystery.
And when I see her described as "giggly" my reaction is the same as it is to last night's thread header talking about her "trilling" something. nobody would write the same or any equvalent about a man, and it is a dead giveaway that the writer's principal beef is that she is young, attractive and female.
It's doubly odd because she appears the opposite of giggly - she seems very sad to me. Best candidate, but I'd like her to cheer up a bit.
Looney appears to have missed the religion of the current pm 'if' the UK.
BJ was born RC, and became Anglican at school aiui.
Has he de-converted back?
You can't conclude from his marriage at Westminster Cathedral unless there has been a specific statement. The RC Church have no problem with Protestants being married in an RC Church, but I think they may expect the children to be RC.
I hope the MPs can somehow freeze Rishi out. Truss vs Mordaunt would be great news... for my book
It’s definitely not impossible.
He’s 19 short. People are assuming he can pick those up from the TT campaign but let’s say the lions share goes to PM, he is then relying on some Kemi and Suella switchers in the same way as Penny is.
In the meantime let’s say he has some poor debates and some more sub-optimal polling lands over the weekend.
Do a few MPs get nervous? Maybe start looking for a different horse?
Liz v Penny appears to me to be a perfectly possible end result. A bit of a shocker, but it wouldn’t take much to happen.
Who, aside from Gove, are the Badenoch - Sunak switchers ?
With my hindsight vision enabled, personally I would have basically done very little to halt COVID in the UK. I have now come to realise that the old people for whom we burned through £400bn to save the lives are bunch of ungrateful bastards and will continue to screw every last penny out of working age people until they die. If a few hundred thousand extra had snuffed it then it would have solved the care crisis, the NHS crisis, pensions overhang and freed up hundreds of thousands of homes for working age people, and we wouldn't have spent £400bn to keep them alive. My generation and my daughter's generation wouldn't be facing decades of high taxes for it and we'd have a lot of fiscal headroom.
If they weren't so ungrateful I'd maybe feel differently about it, but all I see is the old wankers we ruined two years of our lives for, spend £400bn on saving rinse generations below them for all we're worth so they can live forever with their hands in our pockets.
At one point when contrarian accused Big G and his generation of being very selfish, poster after poster leapt to G's defence and a torrent of scorn was poured upon contrarian.
Quite right too. Expecting other posters not to mind about dying vs not dying is pushing the unselfishness thing too far.
I hope the MPs can somehow freeze Rishi out. Truss vs Mordaunt would be great news... for my book
It’s definitely not impossible.
He’s 19 short. People are assuming he can pick those up from the TT campaign but let’s say the lions share goes to PM, he is then relying on some Kemi and Suella switchers in the same way as Penny is.
In the meantime let’s say he has some poor debates and some more sub-optimal polling lands over the weekend.
Do a few MPs get nervous? Maybe start looking for a different horse?
Liz v Penny appears to me to be a perfectly possible end result. A bit of a shocker, but it wouldn’t take much to happen.
There was an MP on the radio last night who was utterly adamant that would be the result.
I think it was Woolie that posted, the libdems were getting bigger swings from Tory’s in blue wall again this week, than the midling con>Lab lab getting in redwall - did this leap out to you too as you were doing your analysis James?
The LibDems certainly seem to have a higher ceiling than Lab for swings. It'll be interesting to see what happens after the new Con leader is chosen.
Among nearly 21,000 people in the U.K. Biobank cohort, alcohol intake above 7 weekly units (56 g, or about four standard drinks per week in the U.S.) was associated with markers of higher brain iron in multiple basal ganglia regions, according to Anya Topiwala, PhD, of the University of Oxford in England, and co-authors
Markers of higher brain iron were in turn associated with poorer scores on tests of executive function, fluid intelligence, and reaction speed, Topiwala and colleagues reported in PLoS Medicine.
"This is the first study, to our knowledge, demonstrating higher brain iron in moderate drinkers," Topiwala told MedPage Today. "The findings offer a potential pathway through which alcohol can cause cognitive decline."...
We don’t need all this academic studying, when we have Leon.
I KNOW
I'm already about 42 IQ points smarter than you when I'm a pathetic alky
Imagine how embarrassing the gulf would be if I ever sobered up. Scary
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One moment, he is happy to campaign for Corbyn as PM; next moment Corbyn is not fit to be in the party.
All fair, I spose, as SKS can say in the light of later evidence, he has changed his mind.
There all kinds of issues on which ENTIRE political parties have changed their minds very quickly.
The Tories, Labour, LibDems ALL changed their minds on University tuition fees when they moved from Opposition to Government (the SNP is a honourable exception).
In that respect, she’s Boris Johnson in a dress.
My son's school has warned they will close once temepratures hit 40 degrees
I was asked on the previous thread why I thought Liz would be ghastly. I'll admit that I have a gut reaction against her perchant for dressing up (I feel the same about about the historian Lucy Worsley). But also I feel dread looking at her supporters. Are we going to see JRM and madNad continue in Cabinet? That idiot IDS has been supporting her. Is he going to make a come back?
Perhaps mirroring the country as a whole, that said but disappointing nevertheless.
I don't think so. Hardly anyone has heard of her let alone "chosen" her at the ballot box or otherwise.
One pint of water an hour is good.
In particular it gave us zero wiggle room if any exogenous shocks arose. And arisen they have.
Truss will be a disaster. She is continuity Johnson with the added risk that the job will go totally to her head and send her bonkers within months.
Out of interest, what do you think of the current Tory party?
Cruella makes Priti look like a hard left socialist. What a despicable character she is!
It's like Leon, banging on about everything being a crisis. We didn't get 50 million UK deaths from Covid, but he was 'right' that it did turn out to be kind of a big deal.
Neither Sunak not Truss will lend votes to the other to push Mordaunt out, because neither have enough to lend.
But between Braverman and Badenoch I think Truss has more support than Mordaunt does.
I'm quite interested in Mordaunt's opposition to Planning Permission in Jan this year for a further Electrical Interconnector Cable from Portsmouth to France.
Her alleged reason (TImes) was:
MP for Portsmouth North Penny Mordaunt, a UK trade minister and former defence secretary, has reportedly spoken out against the scheme. According to The Times she said it would make Britain more reliant on France, which has threatened to interrupt supplies in disputes over fishing.
“The French have already said they will turn off the power, they will use future energy supply as a bargaining chip,” she told The Times. “That doesn’t help our energy security.”
https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/planning-permission-refused-for-1-2bn-uk-france-interconnector-20-01-2022/
I am sure they would try, however recently they have been importing electricity as they have not invested in their nuclear power stations (newest working reactor was started up around 2000) so they are about as reliable as a 1970s Citroen CX. It might seem to be the other way around.
The decision to refuse permission was finally made by Kwasi Kwarteng, who afaics seems to be a bit of a ... not very impressive - based on a couple of recent decisions.
He explicitly said that the lockdown measures were an egregious assault on our civil liberties. They were.
Of course there would be exceptions for industries who need 4x4s, vans and lorries. But if you're a IT freelancer/hair dresser/widget salesman you shouldn't be able to put a Q7/X5/Jeep etc on the business.
But, we can still give the SNP credit for being consistent on University tuition fees, no?
He was a contrarian and sadly PB doesn't like contrarians.
How the democrats liked little Johnny, wasn't he civilised in comparison to that nasty Mr Trump? Isn't he the type of republican we like?
It is all a front of course. They liked McCain, not because he was the type of republican they liked, but because he was the sort of republican they could easily beat.
Its the same with Penny Wokey. She's the left's candidate for tory leader, because she plays on their turf, and so is eminently beatable. Actually, Penny is the opposite of the candidate they fear most.
If you enjoy a damn good hatcheting this is the review for you:
https://unherd.com/2022/07/penny-mordaunt-is-hard-to-read/
He was generally wrong about the lockdown measures - at least in so far as he favoured doing almost nothing and used stupid examples to try and prove his point. Indeed he was proved utterly wrong with his claims that the Government would not revoke the measures once the crisis was passed.
It was all the other bullshit that he said that was objected to.
Spout enough bullshit and some of it may be right. Sprinkle some truths within your bullshit, doesn't justify the bullshit.
Its like people who act like Nick Griffin was a seer for speaking about sexual abuse, when that was the only damned thing he got right (and plenty of non-racists spoke up too) and speaking about that one thing doesn't justify all the other vile bullshit he came out with.
This is an issue where I find going with the herd to have a lot to be said for it. Doing something markedly different from every single one of the say 100 vaguely comparable countries, except praps Sweden but that is highly controversial, with Boris at the helm, would be over courageous. esp knowing what we now know of Boris's style of government.
But if you do, feel free to use this "chameleon roof" idea.
Policies that no sensible person would suggest nowadays were rapturously applauded and defended to the hilt. You were in the vanguard of that defence.
'Early doors she informs us that “the British live on an island”, which is indisputable.'
Then another to see who faces them?
Or do they force the membership to struggle with the "far too complicated and unfair" AV?
Scenes!
Kemi could secure herself a big role by directing her supporters to Mourdant though, and it would also enhance Mourdant's credentials.
Strategically, Mourdant needs to have someone anti-Woke v. senior in her team because not everyone will trust her word and it will reduce nervousness about her.
If they weren't so ungrateful I'd maybe feel differently about it, but all I see is the old wankers we ruined two years of our lives for, spend £400bn on saving rinse generations below them for all we're worth so they can live forever with their hands in our pockets.
They could go for highest votes over consecutive rounds instead as a tiebreaker but that would be too controversial.
Contrarian was also vehemently anti-vaccine. Undoubtedly one of the most stupid positions ever adopted by anyone on here. And that is beating some stuff competition.
And when I see her described as "giggly" my reaction is the same as it is to last night's thread header talking about her "trilling" something. nobody would write the same or any equvalent about a man, and it is a dead giveaway that the writer's principal beef is that she is young, attractive and female.
Three university societies have backed the petition which is calling on the university's history department to rename the Seeley Historical Library because its current name celebrates John Robert Seeley, a Cambridge historian “known for his justification of the British Empire"
(Wiki)
My top tip for dehydration is to drink proper Coke (with sugar) and a packet of salty crisps. The Coke provides fluid and sugar, the sugar helps the salt to be absorbed. I have done this on a number of occasions when travelling and usually people feel better within an hour or two. Both Coke and salty crisps are easy to find when travelling.
When a person lives a long time in a very hot climate, the body adapts and less salt is lost in sweating, but this does take a few days. A short sharp sweaty few days can cause people to lose a lot of salt. Water toxicity is really a problem of salt loss, at least in people with normal kidney function, as people pee more.
Normally I have a fairly low salt diet, because of blood pressure, but at times like this it is needed.
1. Some possible softness creeping in re Rishi’s support. She’d be in a much better place if she can tempt 5 or so switchers to come over from his campaign.
2. Absorbing a lot of TT support. I’d be aiming for his endorsement.
3. A strong performance at the debate.
4. An ERG split between Kemi/Liz would be much more preferable than Liz absorbing Cruella’s votes. In the next round keeping second place is going to be very important psychologically.
Honestly though I am hopeful that Tory MPs realise over the weekend that a final 2 without Penny in it risks PM Truss under the influence of the ERG, and that is a situation they have to avoid at all costs.
Unless Braverman’s votes all go to Badenoch, and Truss comes 4th in the next round.
Looney appears to have missed the religion of the current pm 'if' the UK.
And you entirely miss the point anyway. Per the analogy, anyone sane is recommending the amputation as against the alternative.
My contention that they are ungrateful is based on the polling support among the old for an NI rise they stand to benefit from which is being reaped from working age people. They are stealing from our generation because they don't want to stand the cost of their own care and healthcare. Fewer of them means less need for the theft.
Forecast to be 34 Mon and 36 Tue at home. Glad I won’t be there!
Does that mean disestablishment, too?
Nasty undercurrent pops up every so often.
Truss vs Mordaunt would be great news... for my book
And if it saved a few hundred thousand people (not just oldies either), then fair enough. Especially for the first lockdown, where we were unsure what the heck we were facing. Sometimes you just have to knuckle down and get on with things.
I really don't understand how you can say your life was 'ruined'. And before you say, I like going out. I like doing things. I like visiting places. But when I could not do these, I adapted. I even found some new things I enjoyed.
Except marry a royal or be PM. That was illegal.
Thankfully we've moved on.
Or most of us anyways.
https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/incident/former-russian-arms-tycoon-and-other-wealthy-russians-donate-to-u-k-conservative-party-through-an-obscure-energy-company/
He’s 19 short. People are assuming he can pick those up from the TT campaign but let’s say the lions share goes to PM, he is then relying on some Kemi and Suella switchers in the same way as Penny is.
In the meantime let’s say he has some poor debates and some more sub-optimal polling lands over the weekend.
Do a few MPs get nervous? Maybe start looking for a different horse?
Liz v Penny appears to me to be a perfectly possible end result. A bit of a shocker, but it wouldn’t take much to happen.
Has he de-converted back?
You can't conclude from his marriage at Westminster Cathedral unless there has been a specific statement. The RC Church have no problem with Protestants being married in an RC Church, but I think they may expect the children to be RC.
I'm already about 42 IQ points smarter than you when I'm a pathetic alky
Imagine how embarrassing the gulf would be if I ever sobered up. Scary
If TT drops before the next round (after TV debates) and she gets 60% of Braverman and 40% of Tug's (and Truss only gets 20% of each) then you get:
Rishi Sunak 109
Penny Mordaunt 92
Liz Truss 77
Kemi Badenoch 78
Somewhat unlikely.
If she did though she'd make it to the final and the members because the Truss votes would go disproportionately to her, not Mordaunt or Sunak.