The important thing about these Mordaunt attacks is that they will not go away if she wins. They will dial down during the honeymoon, but when the bumps come ( and there will be many) she will be constantly undermined. I cite May.
True. She really needs to issue a statement now clearing the issues up.
What issues? That’s not sarcastic or rhetorical, I’m genuinely not sure what truthfulness issues are being ascribed to Mordaunt.
I am a bit vague about them and wish someone would do a 2 column list, What She Said vs What Actually happened, but the allegations are
she said in 2016 we didn't have a veto over Turkey joining EU. we did
said she had never supported gender self ID. she has.
Claimed to have initiated cass report into transitioning teens. truss did.
I agree with the other things you've mentioned, and don't want Mordaunt to win, but feel compelled to defend her on the Turkey issue as she was absolutely correct then. Remember this is before the failed coup in Turkey and the retaliation by Erdogan which saw accession moves halted.
We, the British public, did not have a veto over any nation acceding. David Cameron as PM (or his successor) could veto it, absolutely, but it was stated policy of David Cameron's government at the time to have Turkey accede. In fact Cameron had spoken vocally and clearly on why Turkey should accede and what steps should be taken to accelerate that.
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were elected on a referendum commitment not to implement the EU Constitution without a referendum, yet it was rebranded the Lisbon Treaty and implemented without one anyway after which point it was impossible to reverse it. The UK public lacked a veto, despite Gordon Brown having one.
If Turkey had acceded in the same way, with the government of the day allowing it just as Brown allowed Lisbon (and it was Cameron's stated policy to not just allow but encourage and facilitate it) then we the public would never have had a say and never have had a veto to wield.
So this was either an incredibly sophisticated answer looking at the underlying geo-politics and practical realities or plain ignorance of the terms of the EU Treaties or a lie. Hmm...
It reads like its between options 2 and 3 for me, probably 2 in fairness.
Okay guys, instead of wild hysteria, some serious advice for coping with extreme temperatures.
Assuming you don’t have air-con at home, keep South-facing windows closed and covered, from the outside if possible. Don’t open windows unless its windy outside. Drink lots of water. Use an electric fan, dehumidifier, HEPA filter etc, if you have one. Keep internal doors and curtains closed during the day.
Consider spending the heat of the day (midday-4pm ish) in your car (in the shade), or an air-conditioned building such as an office, shopping mall or large bar. If you go anywhere in your car, take a gallon of drinking water in case of accident or breakdown.
Don’t exercise outdoors, even if you consider it part of your routine.
Wearing a cold and wet t-shirt (no sniggering!) can also help cool you down. Otherwise, cotton underwear and as little additional clothing as is decent.
If it’s humid, don’t go outside for more than a few minutes. The body cannot sweat if the air temperature is higher than the body temperature and humidity is high. This WILL kill you.
Remember to check on elderly and vulnerable people you know, make sure they understand the above. Watch each other for symptoms of sunstroke and heat exhaustion. Children are also more affected by heat, make sure they’re wearing sunscreen if running around the garden. Don’t forget the dog, give them lots of water and don’t go for long walks.
Why are you such a snowflake?
Don’t be contrary, that’s excellent advice from @Sandpit
Okay guys, instead of wild hysteria, some serious advice for coping with extreme temperatures.
Assuming you don’t have air-con at home, keep South-facing windows closed and covered, from the outside if possible. Don’t open windows unless its windy outside. Drink lots of water. Use an electric fan, dehumidifier, HEPA filter etc, if you have one. Keep internal doors and curtains closed during the day.
Consider spending the heat of the day (midday-4pm ish) in your car (in the shade), or an air-conditioned building such as an office, shopping mall or large bar. If you go anywhere in your car, take a gallon of drinking water in case of accident or breakdown.
Don’t exercise outdoors, even if you consider it part of your routine.
Wearing a cold and wet t-shirt (no sniggering!) can also help cool you down. Otherwise, cotton underwear and as little additional clothing as is decent.
If it’s humid, don’t go outside for more than a few minutes. The body cannot sweat if the air temperature is higher than the body temperature and humidity is high. This WILL kill you.
Remember to check on elderly and vulnerable people you know, make sure they understand the above. Watch each other for symptoms of sunstroke and heat exhaustion. Children are also more affected by heat, make sure they’re wearing sunscreen if running around the garden. Don’t forget the dog, give them lots of water and don’t go for long walks.
Why are you such a snowflake?
You can usually find snowflakes inside your freezer, they’re good for keeping stuff cold too.
All those scoffing at possible very high temperatures now look quite foolish, perhaps
BBC predicting 40C on Monday in places
Who has been scoffing? I have pointed out, correctly, uncertainty in modelling. And a reminder, it hasn’t happened yet. No question it will be hot, and quite possibly see the U.K. record go. Will be very short lived heat though.
Yes, some dude on Netweather says Liverpool might go from ~40C to ~20C in three hours
And nothing is nailed on. A bit of cloud or a sudden storm and it’s just a major heat blast not an all time record
I’d say the chances of 40C somewhere are 30% and the chances of breaking the record 50%
How is a wild guess any the more convincing by making up some percentages and putting them underneath?
Unless any of us have expertise in medium range meteorology, all we can do is assess the range of forecasts being made. Scouring the internet for the absolutely highest possible forecast you can find probably isn't the most reliable method of assessment, however.
Because those aren’t the absolute highest possible forecasts, I’m afraid, and because I’m good at speed of reasoning, and you’re not. A fact which seems to annoy you, existentially.
Speed reasoning lol. You just made up numbers.
You have a go
What are the chances, Sunday-Wednesday, of
1. The all time UK high temp record going
2. Somewhere in the UK exceeding 40C
50% chance of the 38.7°C UK record being broken. 10% chance of 40°C imo.
We agree, nearly. I have a higher chance of 40C - 30%
So long as we don't opt for 0% or 100% we cannot be proved wrong!
(Of course the 'crisis' is diminishing - yesterday you said: "43C across central England. Breaking the record by 5 degrees. Like a Bob Beamon jump in climate")
Except you miss out the next sentence where I say IF IT HAPPENS
And you forget to mention that I was explicitly referring to a weather model, this one, which foresees exactly this: 43C across central England
The full quote was:
"43C across central England. Breaking the record by 5 degrees. Like a Bob Beamon jump in climate
This is - if it happens - our version of the Canadian Heat dome"
No reference to anything apart from Bob Beamon and the Canadian Heat Dome.
But chill! It doesn't really matter, it's all a bit of fun.
It does matter because you’re misrepresenting me and I am in a petulant mood. I was explicitly referring to that model chart above, not plucking figures out of my imperial Cornish butt. Tsk
Where is the explicit reference in your post?
There was no blockquote, no link, no paste of that chart.
Are you just a fucking moron? Or actually the full and complete fucking moron? ....
So that’s what I was referring to in my very next comment, you pitiful dung-eater
The Met Office have now issued a red warning for heat, covering broadly the areas of Central England previously highlighted by the forecast charts shared by Leon.
This is as clear advice as it can get to modify your behaviour and adjust your plans around the weather, just as you would for a red warning of wind or snow.
The paradox is that of all those remaining (pun there), Lizzy Lightweight is the only one that would guarantee me voting LD (or poss even Labour) at the next GE. She is continuity Bozo. How the feck can someone genuinely go on a political journey from LD to Tory remainer and then to being the darling of the ERG? Like Johnson she is a liar, a chancer. Worse than that she is a hopeless lightweight too.
Errr, have you never heard of the zeal of the convert?
I went from Lab in my first election to Tory Remainer to ERG-style views (only on the issue of Europe, I dislike much of the ERG on other issue).
Williamglenn and RochdalePioneers have equally been on journeys too.
I find it hard to trust people who haven't been on political journeys. It implies like with Jezza Corbyn that they're too thick to think through the issues and so have stuck with their ossified views from decades ago regardless of what has changed since then.
I know, you have told us about your "conversion". Sorry, but seeing your reactionary views on here, I don't believe it. I am suspicious that you think it adds credibility to your belief in the fairytale of Brexit. It doesn't. As for Williamglenn, well, it is so ludicrous a volte face I think someone has nicked his account.
Kemi backers will be gratified that they have a powerful ally on board. Like many of them he seems to need to impose his own idea of who the Wimbledon-born child of a GP and a professor of physiology is.
My translation: 1. EU growth has been crap since the GFC. Better can be done without them if they are incapable of change 2. Specifics mentioned are "slash Brussels red tape" - which is UK red tape imposed by our TCA with the EU. So he must be proposing a new working arrangement that isn't this and isn't the EEA / CU. So Swizz-style bilaterals then 3. A Veterinary deal for NI would also sort the bulk GB <> EEA issues. So good. 4. Links with NZ and Canada suggests a CANZUK-style arrangement. Lets assume it would modify the AuzNZ trade deal so as not to do us harm as it does now. Only problem is that this kind of trade only replaces part of what we have lost with out biggest closest market 5. Deregulate the city? Worked for Blair and Brown - mega tax revenues. Outfoxed the Tories who wanted to inflate their bubble even faster to pay for tax cuts on top. Until it blew up. I don't think the Casino banks learned anything positive, so aren't we just assuming they will do it again?
I still say that our opportunity is to exploit the shit out of our innovative technical prowess and natural resources. We could be helping power the world via both clean energy from UK engineered / designed / manufactured tidal and wind stations, and from actually making our nascent Hydrogen hubs world-leading development centres of the H2 power that surely will be needed for trucks and trains.
Okay guys, instead of wild hysteria, some serious advice for coping with extreme temperatures.
Assuming you don’t have air-con at home, keep South-facing windows closed and covered, from the outside if possible. Don’t open windows unless its windy outside. Drink lots of water. Use an electric fan, dehumidifier, HEPA filter etc, if you have one. Keep internal doors and curtains closed during the day.
Consider spending the heat of the day (midday-4pm ish) in your car (in the shade), or an air-conditioned building such as an office, shopping mall or large bar. If you go anywhere in your car, take a gallon of drinking water in case of accident or breakdown.
Don’t exercise outdoors, even if you consider it part of your routine.
Wearing a cold and wet t-shirt (no sniggering!) can also help cool you down. Otherwise, cotton underwear and as little additional clothing as is decent.
If it’s humid, don’t go outside for more than a few minutes. The body cannot sweat if the air temperature is higher than the body temperature and humidity is high. This WILL kill you.
Remember to check on elderly and vulnerable people you know, make sure they understand the above. Watch each other for symptoms of sunstroke and heat exhaustion. Children are also more affected by heat, make sure they’re wearing sunscreen if running around the garden. Don’t forget the dog, give them lots of water and don’t go for long walks.
Why are you such a snowflake?
Looks like Monday's furnace will be dry heat rather than humid. That will help.
Post-wedding party of an old school friend up in Aviemore. Lunch with my brother in Edinburgh first. Accompanied by my lovely 15yo daughter. We were meant to go up on the sleeper last night but it got cancelled. 😢
Have a great do! And forgive my nosiness, had been trying to work a quick shandy with a Uni friend who is in York on his way north today after an original bigger plan fell through, and just wondered momentarily about the coincidence.
The Met Office have now issued a red warning for heat, covering broadly the areas of Central England previously highlighted by the forecast charts shared by Leon.
This is as clear advice as it can get to modify your behaviour and adjust your plans around the weather, just as you would for a red warning of wind or snow.
Kemi backers will be gratified that they have a powerful ally on board. Like many of them he seems to need to impose his own idea of who the Wimbledon-born child of a GP and a professor of physiology is.
Tbf. She was only born here for medical reasons. She moved at 16 ISTR. But yes. The definition of "working class" is stretching it a bit. Saw Mordaunt, child of two teachers, described as it, too.
The Met Office have now issued a red warning for heat, covering broadly the areas of Central England previously highlighted by the forecast charts shared by Leon.
This is as clear advice as it can get to modify your behaviour and adjust your plans around the weather, just as you would for a red warning of wind or snow.
Leon has called this right (even though I hardly ever agree with him on anything else).
The paradox is that of all those remaining (pun there), Lizzy Lightweight is the only one that would guarantee me voting LD (or poss even Labour) at the next GE. She is continuity Bozo. How the feck can someone genuinely go on a political journey from LD to Tory remainer and then to being the darling of the ERG? Like Johnson she is a liar, a chancer. Worse than that she is a hopeless lightweight too.
Errr, have you never heard of the zeal of the convert?
I went from Lab in my first election to Tory Remainer to ERG-style views (only on the issue of Europe, I dislike much of the ERG on other issue).
Williamglenn and RochdalePioneers have equally been on journeys too.
I find it hard to trust people who haven't been on political journeys. It implies like with Jezza Corbyn that they're too thick to think through the issues and so have stuck with their ossified views from decades ago regardless of what has changed since then.
I know, you have told us about your "conversion". Sorry, but seeing your reactionary views on here, I don't believe it. I am suspicious that you think it adds credibility to your belief in the fairytale of Brexit. It doesn't. As for Williamglenn, well, it is so ludicrous a volte face I think someone has nicked his account.
You're really stupid, aren't you? You're as thick as Corbyn, unable to think beyond one dimension caricatures which is why you don't understand how smarter people than you change their minds over time.
I didn't tell anyone about my "conversion". I've been posting here for fifteen years, people know I was making pro-Remain arguments until 2016.
You not believing that is as ridiculous as someone now claiming Williamglenn was never pro-Remain. 🤦♂️
Add to Sandpit's advice. Set your alarm early. If you must go outside do it before you would usually get up. Shop, etc., at opening time. Lie down in the afternoon. If you go out in the evening, likewise 2 hours later than usual. There's a reason for siesta.
No 10 has been ordered to hand over all photos and WhatsApps from Downing Street parties as part of an investigation into whether Boris Johnson misled parliament
MPs on the privileges committee have written to Johnson to demand the prime minister’s diaries, emails and briefing notes. The MPs have also requested Downing Street’s entry and exit logs and ordered officials to retrieve any deleted documents
Although Johnson has now resigned as Tory leader and said that he will stand down as prime minister on September 6, the privileges committee investigation could still prove a stumbling block for whoever succeeds him
It is a shame that @Charles does not post on here any more, as his insight into the conservative political tribes of this election would be valuable.
I see Kemi as a conservative radical. She has the support of Gove, and a similar educational background to Thatcher - scientific degree (ok software engineering) and then a law LLB degree (part time). This will have provided her with the analytical skills as well as the ability to reason.
I would see Rish as a traditional right wing conservative, valuing sound money.
Penny is a pragmatic conservative.
Tom is a one national conservative.
Whilst Liz is a libertarian neo conservative.
This is from a perspective of looking into the conservative party, and actual conservatives may have a different view.
The important thing about these Mordaunt attacks is that they will not go away if she wins. They will dial down during the honeymoon, but when the bumps come ( and there will be many) she will be constantly undermined. I cite May.
True. She really needs to issue a statement now clearing the issues up.
What issues? That’s not sarcastic or rhetorical, I’m genuinely not sure what truthfulness issues are being ascribed to Mordaunt.
I am a bit vague about them and wish someone would do a 2 column list, What She Said vs What Actually happened, but the allegations are
she said in 2016 we didn't have a veto over Turkey joining EU. we did
said she had never supported gender self ID. she has.
Claimed to have initiated cass report into transitioning teens. truss did.
On the last, I'm not disputing that Truss was involved in commissioning the Cass Review (as I don't know the facts around that). But if she was, then why? None of her ministerial roles seem to have that within her purview. She was international trade sec when it was actually commissioned by the NHS. Prior to that (when it might have first been initiated, she was chief secretary to the treasury.
Nadine no brain Dorries says there has been a coup. There is currently an attempt to finish a coup that started with Brexit; a coup to turn the Conservative Party into a far right populist party in the image of the ERG
I'm surprised the red weather warning covers the whole 48 hours, they are usually very specific about the extent of red snow / wind warnings, and I might have expected daytime and evening Tuesday
It is a clear extension and escalation of the forecast as well rather than a clarification. The Amber zone now extends well into Southern Scotland, the red zone is broadly a bubble map of HS2 pre cuts.
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40°, or even 50° in the desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island when you are sweating profusely without even moving.
Add to Sandpit's advice. Set your alarm early. If you must go outside do it before you would usually get up. Shop, etc., at opening time. Lie down in the afternoon. If you go out in the evening, likewise 2 hours later than usual. There's a reason for siesta.
Absolutely, time shift activities where you can.
Today happens to be Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. She’s a fan of swimming in the sea, so we went to the beach for half an hour at 6:30 this morning. The beach will now be empty (apart from a few idiotic British tourists) until about half an hour from sunset, at 7pm tonight.
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40% desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island.
Fairly low humidity - mid twenties % at the hottest part of the day
As a disinterested observer, the Tories look to be getting a bit ferrety in their sack. They need to be careful. The frosty comments looked definitely 'bitchy' despite the BBC disapproving of the term. Ms Truss looks to be the establishment favourite and that can carry problems itself.
It could be my age, and she might deny wanting to get personal, but when her supporters do the dirty, her denial lacks credibility.
To me, Ms Mordaunt looks to be tacking to the mainstream, a logical move for a politician. God forbid we have an activist as PM. They will only nail their head to the mace, and claim they're being oppressed. PMs need to choose a team and enthuse them to do their best without interferring. Truss may be judged by her supporters as they all will. I'm not sure Lord Frost is exactly a pin-up boy in the commons, or in the country for that matter.
Ms Badenoch, a woman I'd never noticed before, looks to have what used to be called common sense. That's bound to be sniffed at by the elite.
Ho-hum, I'll have no say, anyway, but the politicians and journos will ensure we'll have the usual ration of unbridled hypocrisy.
The paradox is that of all those remaining (pun there), Lizzy Lightweight is the only one that would guarantee me voting LD (or poss even Labour) at the next GE. She is continuity Bozo. How the feck can someone genuinely go on a political journey from LD to Tory remainer and then to being the darling of the ERG? Like Johnson she is a liar, a chancer. Worse than that she is a hopeless lightweight too.
Errr, have you never heard of the zeal of the convert?
I went from Lab in my first election to Tory Remainer to ERG-style views (only on the issue of Europe, I dislike much of the ERG on other issue).
Williamglenn and RochdalePioneers have equally been on journeys too.
I find it hard to trust people who haven't been on political journeys. It implies like with Jezza Corbyn that they're too thick to think through the issues and so have stuck with their ossified views from decades ago regardless of what has changed since then.
I know, you have told us about your "conversion". Sorry, but seeing your reactionary views on here, I don't believe it. I am suspicious that you think it adds credibility to your belief in the fairytale of Brexit. It doesn't. As for Williamglenn, well, it is so ludicrous a volte face I think someone has nicked his account.
You're really stupid, aren't you? You're as thick as Corbyn, unable to think beyond one dimension caricatures which is why you don't understand how smarter people than you change their minds over time.
I didn't tell anyone about my "conversion". I've been posting here for fifteen years, people know I was making pro-Remain arguments until 2016.
You not believing that is as ridiculous as someone now claiming Williamglenn was never pro-Remain. 🤦♂️
Based on our respective posts I think most people would not consider me less intelligent than you "Barty". Now go back to your Beano or see whether you can invent another implausible story about your "journey" or a further even more implausible instalment of when you tried to convince people you once had "employees". No wonder you adored Johnson, you are a fantasist.
🚨EXCLUSIVE: Penny Mordaunt could be our next PM in eight weeks time. She sat down with me in her first TV interview. We talked dirty tricks, trans issues, tax & spend and whether the prospect of being PM scares her
Nadine no brain Dorries says there has been a coup. There is currently an attempt to finish a coup that started with Brexit; a coup to turn the Conservative Party into a far right populist party in the image of the ERG
The Mail writes a whole article about one of Sunak's people who apparently phoned the clown in February telling him to resign, when he eventually resigns in July/??
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40% desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island.
Fairly low humidity - mid twenties % at the hottest part of the day
Yes, thank God. The real risk is the high overnight minima - no sleep - and anyone doing anything active in the sun
The important thing about these Mordaunt attacks is that they will not go away if she wins. They will dial down during the honeymoon, but when the bumps come ( and there will be many) she will be constantly undermined. I cite May.
True. She really needs to issue a statement now clearing the issues up.
What issues? That’s not sarcastic or rhetorical, I’m genuinely not sure what truthfulness issues are being ascribed to Mordaunt.
I am a bit vague about them and wish someone would do a 2 column list, What She Said vs What Actually happened, but the allegations are
she said in 2016 we didn't have a veto over Turkey joining EU. we did
said she had never supported gender self ID. she has.
Claimed to have initiated cass report into transitioning teens. truss did.
On the last, I'm not disputing that Truss was involved in commissioning the Cass Review (as I don't know the facts around that). But if she was, then why? None of her ministerial roles seem to have that within her purview. She was international trade sec when it was actually commissioned by the NHS. Prior to that (when it might have first been initiated, she was chief secretary to the treasury.
Presumably she had to sign off on the funding? I'm not sure that is quite "setting it up", mind.
Add to Sandpit's advice. Set your alarm early. If you must go outside do it before you would usually get up. Shop, etc., at opening time. Lie down in the afternoon. If you go out in the evening, likewise 2 hours later than usual. There's a reason for siesta.
Absolutely, time shift activities where you can.
Today happens to be Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. She’s a fan of swimming in the sea, so we went to the beach for half an hour at 6:30 this morning. The beach will now be empty (apart from a few idiotic British tourists) until about half an hour from sunset, at 7pm tonight.
🚨EXCLUSIVE: Penny Mordaunt could be our next PM in eight weeks time. She sat down with me in her first TV interview. We talked dirty tricks, trans issues, tax & spend and whether the prospect of being PM scares her
Boom, red warning. Not just London - Manchester and Birmingham caught up too.
Even Scotland has some Amber now.
You seem as obsessed about the impending firestorm as another PB poster despite being apparently based in coolish Scotland. Odd.
I'm in glamorous Solihull Sunday and Moday, I'll report back to you so you can have a taste of the front line.
I think it's quite interesting, both for the initial drama (which I enjoy, to be honest) and the long term implications for the climate. I don't think I need to confine my thinking to Scotland - got friends down in London who are considering coming back up here this evening to avoid it.
It's all relative. Looks like we could 30c in Edinburgh, which is only 2c off our record temp, and far too hot for me.
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40% desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island.
Fairly low humidity - mid twenties % at the hottest part of the day
Yes, thank God. The real risk is the high overnight minima - no sleep - and anyone doing anything active in the sun
Quite worrying for those of us with dicky tickers but norwich i think will be near enough the coast to escape the highest temps.
The important thing about these Mordaunt attacks is that they will not go away if she wins. They will dial down during the honeymoon, but when the bumps come ( and there will be many) she will be constantly undermined. I cite May.
True. She really needs to issue a statement now clearing the issues up.
What issues? That’s not sarcastic or rhetorical, I’m genuinely not sure what truthfulness issues are being ascribed to Mordaunt.
I am a bit vague about them and wish someone would do a 2 column list, What She Said vs What Actually happened, but the allegations are
she said in 2016 we didn't have a veto over Turkey joining EU. we did
said she had never supported gender self ID. she has.
Claimed to have initiated cass report into transitioning teens. truss did.
On the last, I'm not disputing that Truss was involved in commissioning the Cass Review (as I don't know the facts around that). But if she was, then why? None of her ministerial roles seem to have that within her purview. She was international trade sec when it was actually commissioned by the NHS. Prior to that (when it might have first been initiated, she was chief secretary to the treasury.
I don't know. as I say, it would be great if those making the allegations would set out the evidence. Al looks very smeary at the moment. Agree about Truss and Cass.
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40% desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island.
Fairly low humidity - mid twenties % at the hottest part of the day
Ah OK thanks. Not Taipei's 82% yearly average then? Think yourselves all very lucky then.
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40% desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island.
Fairly low humidity - mid twenties % at the hottest part of the day
Yes, thank God. The real risk is the high overnight minima - no sleep - and anyone doing anything active in the sun
Quite worrying for those of us with dicky tickers but norwich i think will be near enough the coast to escape the highest temps.
Yes, there’s meant to be an easterly breeze. Should be ok in Norwich
Just to add to the weather's doom and gloom: the weather may lead to infrastructure failures. We know about rails buckling and tarmac melting in the heat; but there's a tiny chance that power might be affected as well. Power transmission systems don't like heat, and anything much hotter than usual could cause localised failures. Fortunately we do not have too many air conditioners to stress the grid.
🚨EXCLUSIVE: Penny Mordaunt could be our next PM in eight weeks time. She sat down with me in her first TV interview. We talked dirty tricks, trans issues, tax & spend and whether the prospect of being PM scares her
Boom, red warning. Not just London - Manchester and Birmingham caught up too.
Even Scotland has some Amber now.
I think we need some broadcasts from RNLI / Coastguard/Ambulance at this point. Maybe waiting till this evening?
And attack helicopters gunning down anyone seen in the open on Monday and Tuesday
This thread sounds like the 1950s, has nobody here ever been anywhere hotter than Calais?
The thing is places south of Calais tend to be prepared for 40C type hot weather. They have aircon and shutters and siestas
We’re entirely unused to it. That’s the risk
Tho the French have been taken unawares before. 15,000 died in August 2003
Yes, think of it as when Heathrow gets shut for the day because of an inch of snow, when Vancouver manages to stay open.
For all that the British talk about the weather, the UK rarely sees any actually extreme weather, so the issues arise from a lack of preparedness for unusual weather. Roads, rails and other infrastructure simply aren’t designed for 40ºC or -10ºC, because these are very unusual events.
(Yes, Heathrow did eventually spend millions on a new fleet of snow ploughs and aircraft de-ice equipment).
My consistent rightness on all things really irks you, doesn’t it? I’m not sure why you care so much, but its delicious
If, on the day that the millionth Brit is buried having died from Covid, it's 43C in the shade as a spaceship lands in Hyde Park and an alien gets out and announces that it has proof that the Chinese started covid deliberately, then I guess that you might finally have got close to the mark on something....
The paradox is that of all those remaining (pun there), Lizzy Lightweight is the only one that would guarantee me voting LD (or poss even Labour) at the next GE. She is continuity Bozo. How the feck can someone genuinely go on a political journey from LD to Tory remainer and then to being the darling of the ERG? Like Johnson she is a liar, a chancer. Worse than that she is a hopeless lightweight too.
Errr, have you never heard of the zeal of the convert?
I went from Lab in my first election to Tory Remainer to ERG-style views (only on the issue of Europe, I dislike much of the ERG on other issue).
Williamglenn and RochdalePioneers have equally been on journeys too.
I find it hard to trust people who haven't been on political journeys. It implies like with Jezza Corbyn that they're too thick to think through the issues and so have stuck with their ossified views from decades ago regardless of what has changed since then.
I know, you have told us about your "conversion". Sorry, but seeing your reactionary views on here, I don't believe it. I am suspicious that you think it adds credibility to your belief in the fairytale of Brexit. It doesn't. As for Williamglenn, well, it is so ludicrous a volte face I think someone has nicked his account.
You're really stupid, aren't you? You're as thick as Corbyn, unable to think beyond one dimension caricatures which is why you don't understand how smarter people than you change their minds over time.
I didn't tell anyone about my "conversion". I've been posting here for fifteen years, people know I was making pro-Remain arguments until 2016.
You not believing that is as ridiculous as someone now claiming Williamglenn was never pro-Remain. 🤦♂️
In fact, it would be strange if no one changed their mind about anything.
Pre- GFC, I was very much slash and burn the State, pro-big business. But, the behaviour of banks and big corporations, has very much soured my outlook towards them.
Which I never predicted. My consistent rightness on all things really irks you, doesn’t it? I’m not sure why you care so much, but its delicious
I regarded your mention of 43, when you posted that model run, as unlikely but not impossible. If a system like this were to remain in place for a couple more days, it definitely could happen here, it's not fantasy Island.
Yes, incremental record breaking is the most common type, and even 40C would blow the record by some distance, but we only have to look at the recent heatwave in British Columbia to see records being smashed by several degrees.
News can always cherry pick though - think the record locally in Huddersfield is 32. something, and the forecast is to top that by around 3 degrees.
Which I never predicted. My consistent rightness on all things really irks you, doesn’t it? I’m not sure why you care so much, but its delicious
I regarded your mention of 43, when you posted that model run, as unlikely but not impossible. If a system like this were to remain in place for a couple more days, it definitely could happen here, it's not fantasy Island.
Yes, incremental record breaking is the most common type, and even 40C would blow the record by some distance, but we only have to look at the recent heatwave in British Columbia to see records being smashed by several degrees.
News can always cherry pick though - think the record locally in Huddersfield is 32. something, and the forecast is to top that by around 3 degrees.
Yes. And this extreme heat is still not certain
This is the UK. An island in the North Atlantic. A sudden low can pop up almost out of nowhere
We won’t know until it actually happens, if it happens. A sudden blob of cloud with a breeze and a dangerous 40C becomes a hot but tolerable 33C
By I am now talking trite truistic bollocks. It is definitely time to work…
A red extreme heat warning has been issued by the Met Office for parts of England next week, meaning a risk to life is likely as temperatures could hit 40C (104F). It points to there being a danger to life, with the risk of illness not limited to vulnerable people.
Is Leon doing PR for the Met Office these days ;-)
Add to Sandpit's advice. Set your alarm early. If you must go outside do it before you would usually get up. Shop, etc., at opening time. Lie down in the afternoon. If you go out in the evening, likewise 2 hours later than usual. There's a reason for siesta.
Absolutely, time shift activities where you can.
Today happens to be Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. She’s a fan of swimming in the sea, so we went to the beach for half an hour at 6:30 this morning. The beach will now be empty (apart from a few idiotic British tourists) until about half an hour from sunset, at 7pm tonight.
A lot of very good advice there.
We do much the same when visiting our Thai family, in really hot weather!
Okay guys, instead of wild hysteria, some serious advice for coping with extreme temperatures.
Assuming you don’t have air-con at home, keep South-facing windows closed and covered, from the outside if possible. Don’t open windows unless its windy outside. Drink lots of water. Use an electric fan, dehumidifier, HEPA filter etc, if you have one. Keep internal doors and curtains closed during the day.
Consider spending the heat of the day (midday-4pm ish) in your car (in the shade), or an air-conditioned building such as an office, shopping mall or large bar. If you go anywhere in your car, take a gallon of drinking water in case of accident or breakdown.
Don’t exercise outdoors, even if you consider it part of your routine.
Wearing a cold and wet t-shirt (no sniggering!) can also help cool you down. Otherwise, cotton underwear and as little additional clothing as is decent.
If it’s humid, don’t go outside for more than a few minutes. The body cannot sweat if the air temperature is higher than the body temperature and humidity is high. This WILL kill you.
Remember to check on elderly and vulnerable people you know, make sure they understand the above. Watch each other for symptoms of sunstroke and heat exhaustion. Children are also more affected by heat, make sure they’re wearing sunscreen if running around the garden. Don’t forget the dog, give them lots of water and don’t go for long walks.
Why are you such a snowflake?
You can usually find snowflakes inside your freezer, they’re good for keeping stuff cold too.
Sunak's campaign is pretty slithery snakish isn't it? If I thought he was going to use that snakiness to steer a path to greatness for our rainy islands, I'd be inclined to favour him, but I'm afraid I don't think that. Therefore I'm hoping for a resounding PM win. And if she's sensible, a Sunak-free cabinet.
Among nearly 21,000 people in the U.K. Biobank cohort, alcohol intake above 7 weekly units (56 g, or about four standard drinks per week in the U.S.) was associated with markers of higher brain iron in multiple basal ganglia regions, according to Anya Topiwala, PhD, of the University of Oxford in England, and co-authors
Markers of higher brain iron were in turn associated with poorer scores on tests of executive function, fluid intelligence, and reaction speed, Topiwala and colleagues reported in PLoS Medicine.
"This is the first study, to our knowledge, demonstrating higher brain iron in moderate drinkers," Topiwala told MedPage Today. "The findings offer a potential pathway through which alcohol can cause cognitive decline."...
Really noticable how coverage of LIV golfers is being totally minimised at the Open. Gooch, Johnson, Casey all going very well and you see about 2 secs of them.
Boom, red warning. Not just London - Manchester and Birmingham caught up too.
Even Scotland has some Amber now.
I think we need some broadcasts from RNLI / Coastguard/Ambulance at this point. Maybe waiting till this evening?
And attack helicopters gunning down anyone seen in the open on Monday and Tuesday
This thread sounds like the 1950s, has nobody here ever been anywhere hotter than Calais?
I've been in Missouri in the summer, fairly consistently in the high 30s (Celsius), but the difference was that every house I went to had air conditioning, they had public buildings with air conditioning that were designated cool zones for people without air conditioning at home, all the cars had air conditioning, etc. The built infrastructure in the UK is not designed for such heat. That's the difference.
🚨EXCLUSIVE: Penny Mordaunt could be our next PM in eight weeks time. She sat down with me in her first TV interview. We talked dirty tricks, trans issues, tax & spend and whether the prospect of being PM scares her
Really noticable how coverage of LIV golfers is being totally minimised at the Open. Gooch, Johnson, Casey all going very well and you see about 2 secs of them.
If one of the LIV golfers wins a major, it will turn the sport upside-down.
The paradox is that of all those remaining (pun there), Lizzy Lightweight is the only one that would guarantee me voting LD (or poss even Labour) at the next GE. She is continuity Bozo. How the feck can someone genuinely go on a political journey from LD to Tory remainer and then to being the darling of the ERG? Like Johnson she is a liar, a chancer. Worse than that she is a hopeless lightweight too.
Errr, have you never heard of the zeal of the convert?
I went from Lab in my first election to Tory Remainer to ERG-style views (only on the issue of Europe, I dislike much of the ERG on other issue).
Williamglenn and RochdalePioneers have equally been on journeys too.
I find it hard to trust people who haven't been on political journeys. It implies like with Jezza Corbyn that they're too thick to think through the issues and so have stuck with their ossified views from decades ago regardless of what has changed since then.
I know, you have told us about your "conversion". Sorry, but seeing your reactionary views on here, I don't believe it. I am suspicious that you think it adds credibility to your belief in the fairytale of Brexit. It doesn't. As for Williamglenn, well, it is so ludicrous a volte face I think someone has nicked his account.
You're really stupid, aren't you? You're as thick as Corbyn, unable to think beyond one dimension caricatures which is why you don't understand how smarter people than you change their minds over time.
I didn't tell anyone about my "conversion". I've been posting here for fifteen years, people know I was making pro-Remain arguments until 2016.
You not believing that is as ridiculous as someone now claiming Williamglenn was never pro-Remain. 🤦♂️
In fact, it would be strange if no one changed their mind about anything.
Pre- GFC, I was very much slash and burn the State, pro-big business. But, the behaviour of banks and big corporations, has very much soured my outlook towards them.
Big business and the state are very similar in many ways.
Reading the Mitrokhin Archive, I was struck by the feeling that (I was working at Citi Bank) the style of of the bureaucracy was very similar - a huge pyramid of make work bullshit.
Which is why I giggle when I hear people extolling the state and lambasting Evul Corp. Or vice versa.
The big the corp, the closer it gets to regulatory capture (too big to fail) and becomes a part of the State.
Really noticable how coverage of LIV golfers is being totally minimised at the Open. Gooch, Johnson, Casey all going very well and you see about 2 secs of them.
If one of the LIV golfers wins a major, it will turn the sport upside-down.
Sergio is 6 under so far today, don't think i have seen a single shot from him.
At those temperatures the major question is what's the humidity? 40% desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island.
Fairly low humidity - mid twenties % at the hottest part of the day
Yes, thank God. The real risk is the high overnight minima - no sleep - and anyone doing anything active in the sun
Quite worrying for those of us with dicky tickers but norwich i think will be near enough the coast to escape the highest temps.
Actually, mate, the Monday forecast is 40C in Norwich. So I’d take precautions. Maybe find a bedroom with aircon. A hotel?
🚨EXCLUSIVE: Penny Mordaunt could be our next PM in eight weeks time. She sat down with me in her first TV interview. We talked dirty tricks, trans issues, tax & spend and whether the prospect of being PM scares her
She sits down with Death Rigby for a serious interview? That probably costs her a few votes in the next round.
Who has the guts to call Andrew Neil, or even Emma Barnett?
Emma Barnett is good but Andrew Neil is a poor interviewer now. It is all about himself and far too aggressive. People are far more revealing of their true selves with a more amenable interviewer gently probing and giving time for people to reply.
Okay, as we all talk about the weather, I’m watching a sandstorm go through. Visibility down to less than 2km and winds that make it difficult to open the outward-opening door. It was fine half an hour ago, and will likely be fine in half an hour’s time.
Boom, red warning. Not just London - Manchester and Birmingham caught up too.
Even Scotland has some Amber now.
I think we need some broadcasts from RNLI / Coastguard/Ambulance at this point. Maybe waiting till this evening?
And attack helicopters gunning down anyone seen in the open on Monday and Tuesday
This thread sounds like the 1950s, has nobody here ever been anywhere hotter than Calais?
I've been in Missouri in the summer, fairly consistently in the high 30s (Celsius), but the difference was that every house I went to had air conditioning, they had public buildings with air conditioning that were designated cool zones for people without air conditioning at home, all the cars had air conditioning, etc. The built infrastructure in the UK is not designed for such heat. That's the difference.
And I have spent two weeks in an open jeep in Kenya's NFD about 300 miles from the nearest air conditioning unit. drink water, keep out of the sun and do as little as possible. Not rocket science.
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It reads like its between options 2 and 3 for me, probably 2 in fairness.
This is as clear advice as it can get to modify your behaviour and adjust your plans around the weather, just as you would for a red warning of wind or snow.
https://twitter.com/JackElsom/status/1547846783467802630?s=20&t=n2BA8zomNv3YQTg1mjlCgA
1. EU growth has been crap since the GFC. Better can be done without them if they are incapable of change
2. Specifics mentioned are "slash Brussels red tape" - which is UK red tape imposed by our TCA with the EU. So he must be proposing a new working arrangement that isn't this and isn't the EEA / CU. So Swizz-style bilaterals then
3. A Veterinary deal for NI would also sort the bulk GB <> EEA issues. So good.
4. Links with NZ and Canada suggests a CANZUK-style arrangement. Lets assume it would modify the AuzNZ trade deal so as not to do us harm as it does now. Only problem is that this kind of trade only replaces part of what we have lost with out biggest closest market
5. Deregulate the city? Worked for Blair and Brown - mega tax revenues. Outfoxed the Tories who wanted to inflate their bubble even faster to pay for tax cuts on top. Until it blew up. I don't think the Casino banks learned anything positive, so aren't we just assuming they will do it again?
I still say that our opportunity is to exploit the shit out of our innovative technical prowess and natural resources. We could be helping power the world via both clean energy from UK engineered / designed / manufactured tidal and wind stations, and from actually making our nascent Hydrogen hubs world-leading development centres of the H2 power that surely will be needed for trucks and trains.
No mention of any of that yet.
But yes. The definition of "working class" is stretching it a bit. Saw Mordaunt, child of two teachers, described as it, too.
I still want Mordaunt, but would live with Kemi over Truss or Sunak, with reservations.
I would be delighted if she knocks it out of the park in the debates, eats the Suella vote and moves in front of Liz.
Even Scotland has some Amber now.
I didn't tell anyone about my "conversion". I've been posting here for fifteen years, people know I was making pro-Remain arguments until 2016.
You not believing that is as ridiculous as someone now claiming Williamglenn was never pro-Remain. 🤦♂️
What if she electrifies the TV debates this weekend?
Lie down in the afternoon. If you go out in the evening, likewise 2 hours later than usual.
There's a reason for siesta.
No idea what that does, if anything, to the race
In my part of the world, it’s prohibited to work in the sun between 12:30 and 4pm during the summer.
I'm in glamorous Solihull Sunday and Moday, I'll report back to you so you can have a taste of the front line.
No 10 has been ordered to hand over all photos and WhatsApps from Downing Street parties as part of an investigation into whether Boris Johnson misled parliament
MPs on the privileges committee have written to Johnson to demand the prime minister’s diaries, emails and briefing notes. The MPs have also requested Downing Street’s entry and exit logs and ordered officials to retrieve any deleted documents
Although Johnson has now resigned as Tory leader and said that he will stand down as prime minister on September 6, the privileges committee investigation could still prove a stumbling block for whoever succeeds him
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1547879244151214080
I see Kemi as a conservative radical. She has the support of Gove, and a similar educational background to Thatcher - scientific degree (ok software engineering) and then a law LLB degree (part time). This will have provided her with the analytical skills as well as the ability to reason.
I would see Rish as a traditional right wing conservative, valuing sound money.
Penny is a pragmatic conservative.
Tom is a one national conservative.
Whilst Liz is a libertarian neo conservative.
This is from a perspective of looking into the conservative party, and actual conservatives may have a different view.
https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/1547879033265827840
BREAKING: The Met Office has now issued a RED extreme heat warning for next week.
There’s around an 80% chance that the UK temperature record (38.7 degrees) could be broken, and a 50% chance temperatures will hit 40 degrees.
https://twitter.com/mattuthompson/status/1547878137463132163?s=21&t=bL67H4iKgDJderZ-Lhmm3A
It is a clear extension and escalation of the forecast as well rather than a clarification. The Amber zone now extends well into Southern Scotland, the red zone is broadly a bubble map of HS2 pre cuts.
40°, or even 50° in the desert isn't that bad. It's easily done in the shade. Much, much more unpleasant is 38° on a smallish island when you are sweating profusely without even moving.
Today happens to be Mrs Sandpit’s birthday. She’s a fan of swimming in the sea, so we went to the beach for half an hour at 6:30 this morning. The beach will now be empty (apart from a few idiotic British tourists) until about half an hour from sunset, at 7pm tonight.
That's not yet 43C though, is it?
It could be my age, and she might deny wanting to get personal, but when her supporters do the dirty, her denial lacks credibility.
To me, Ms Mordaunt looks to be tacking to the mainstream, a logical move for a politician. God forbid we have an activist as PM. They will only nail their head to the mace, and claim they're being oppressed. PMs need to choose a team and enthuse them to do their best without interferring. Truss may be judged by her supporters as they all will. I'm not sure Lord Frost is exactly a pin-up boy in the commons, or in the country for that matter.
Ms Badenoch, a woman I'd never noticed before, looks to have what used to be called common sense. That's bound to be sniffed at by the elite.
Ho-hum, I'll have no say, anyway, but the politicians and journos will ensure we'll have the usual ration of unbridled hypocrisy.
Watch on @SkyNews 11am https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1547875269616078849/photo/1
This thread sounds like the 1950s, has nobody here ever been anywhere hotter than Calais?
I'm not sure that is quite "setting it up", mind.
Who has the guts to call Andrew Neil, or even Emma Barnett?
It's all relative. Looks like we could 30c in Edinburgh, which is only 2c off our record temp, and far too hot for me.
But, as you say, rainy and cool at the moment.
We’re entirely unused to it. That’s the risk
Tho the French have been taken unawares before. 15,000 died in August 2003
Think yourselves all very lucky then.
Not everyone has @Sandpit giving useful advice.
For all that the British talk about the weather, the UK rarely sees any actually extreme weather, so the issues arise from a lack of preparedness for unusual weather. Roads, rails and other infrastructure simply aren’t designed for 40ºC or -10ºC, because these are very unusual events.
(Yes, Heathrow did eventually spend millions on a new fleet of snow ploughs and aircraft de-ice equipment).
Pre- GFC, I was very much slash and burn the State, pro-big business. But, the behaviour of banks and big corporations, has very much soured my outlook towards them.
Yes, incremental record breaking is the most common type, and even 40C would blow the record by some distance, but we only have to look at the recent heatwave in British Columbia to see records being smashed by several degrees.
News can always cherry pick though - think the record locally in Huddersfield is 32. something, and the forecast is to top that by around 3 degrees.
50% chance 40+
says bod on sky
There will likely be a COBRA meeting today to prepare an action plan, expect lots of communications tonight and over the weekend.
This is the UK. An island in the North Atlantic. A sudden low can pop up almost out of nowhere
We won’t know until it actually happens, if it happens. A sudden blob of cloud with a breeze and a dangerous 40C becomes a hot but tolerable 33C
By I am now talking trite truistic bollocks. It is definitely time to work…
Is Leon doing PR for the Met Office these days ;-)
40c will kill some old people, and people with breathing issues, probably
Just 4 Drinks a Week Tied to Brain Changes
— Higher brain iron may contribute to adverse cognitive effects
https://www.medpagetoday.com/neurology/generalneurology/99733
Moderate alcohol consumption was linked to higher brain iron and worse cognitive function, an observational study showed.
Among nearly 21,000 people in the U.K. Biobank cohort, alcohol intake above 7 weekly units (56 g, or about four standard drinks per week in the U.S.) was associated with markers of higher brain iron in multiple basal ganglia regions, according to Anya Topiwala, PhD, of the University of Oxford in England, and co-authors
Markers of higher brain iron were in turn associated with poorer scores on tests of executive function, fluid intelligence, and reaction speed, Topiwala and colleagues reported in PLoS Medicine.
"This is the first study, to our knowledge, demonstrating higher brain iron in moderate drinkers," Topiwala told MedPage Today. "The findings offer a potential pathway through which alcohol can cause cognitive decline."...
I hope @Richard_Tyndall has an ice pack
Reading the Mitrokhin Archive, I was struck by the feeling that (I was working at Citi Bank) the style of of the bureaucracy was very similar - a huge pyramid of make work bullshit.
Which is why I giggle when I hear people extolling the state and lambasting Evul Corp. Or vice versa.
The big the corp, the closer it gets to regulatory capture (too big to fail) and becomes a part of the State.
Rabbits also a concern tbh - the cats will absolubtely love it.