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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    Omnium said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Which adverts?
    The Durex ones in the underground barber's c. 1965.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Jessica Elgot
    @jessicaelgot
    ·
    2h
    Boris Johnson is planning a farewell party at Chequers this weekend - but he wants to stick on the backbenches for now.

    Allies suggest he will ask tricky questions on Ukraine, levelling up and NI protocol bill, the three things he fears could slip

    Oh please.
    The idea he will even bother turning up regularly is for the birds.
    I don't see why not. He'd see it as his Churchill in the wilderness period and find some issue to give portentous speeches about from the backbenches.
    I would have thought he'd be a bit too busy on the speeches and books front to regularly speak in the Commons.
    Chiltern Hundreds for sure.
    Boris will hang around for £80,000 a year plus expenses, and to see if he is called back. I doubt he will contest the next general election, but then I always thought Boris planned to retire before then anyway, which might explain his apparently calm reaction; disappointed but not depressed to be out a year or so earlier than planned.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644

    MikeL said:

    Suppose the Final 2 was a ballot of MPs:

    If Truss was in the Final she could not win as either Sunak or Mordaunt would beat her very easily amongst MPs.

    So Truss will have the support of well under 50% of MPs - which means MPs can remove her by no confidencing her.

    OK, they will have to give her a reasonable chance but there is time. They give her 12 months - she'll be miles behind in the polls - and then they no confidence her - which will be certain to succeed.

    A new leader is then elected this time next year.

    Yes, that is Boris's dream comeback scenario. After a year of chaos under its new leader, a desperate party reaches out to its saviour.
    Depressingly plausible.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,191
    dixiedean said:

    ToryJim said:

    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    Its likely all down to the flavour of Kemis backers.if they break for Truss heavily Mordaunt could get squeezed out here.
    Jesus, anyone but Truss from that 5

    PM Truss will make Boris look like a bleeding heart liberal, it would be a Cabinet dominated by the ERG, she would be the puppet of Francois, IDS and Rees Mogg and Steve Baker as they would be the ones who got her the leadership
    Absolutely right which is why I’m terrified that she might win. The Tories would deserve annihilation at the election.
    She's the female IDS.
    She’d get to fight an election though. She’d utterly flame out but she’d fight it.
    Nah, she's get VONCed next autumn.
    Anyone know what the rules are there?

    In practice, any party VOMCing a newly-elected leader would look pretty desperate.

    But is there any formal equivalent of the 12 month immunity (unless you really hack off the '22) a leader gets from winning a VONC?
    They could always save time on an election by simply VONCing the candidates before they start.
    Perfect. All we need now is for Sir Arthur Sullivan to set it to music.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,734
    Carnyx said:

    Omnium said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Which adverts?
    The Durex ones in the underground barber's c. 1965.
    Couldn't you find someone more important to bother?
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,064
    edited July 2022
    tlg86 said:

    Interesting piece:

    https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-england-are-superb-all-white-reasons-why-should-fixed

    It seems almost churlish to mention it at this precise moment in time. England have, after all, just recorded what is probably their finest ever result.

    But while the performances of the England team at this tournament have been obviously impressive, questions have been asked about the ethnic make-up of this team. The England team that started the Norway match was entirely white. This was the same against Austria, with all three of the substitutes introduced during that match also Caucasian. But why should this be, and what can be done about it?

    One problem that has been identified for young players in the women’s game has been the relocation of training facilities in recent years, increasingly to suburban or rural areas. This makes access difficult for players from less well-off areas, where families might not have the capacity to make either time or financial commitments to get girls training and playing in the first place. In the men’s game, the overwhelming majority of black players have come from urban areas, particularly in big cities. Women’s football has become a ‘middle-class’ sport, and that demographic is, well, whiter.

    I'm watching the France Belgium match at the momnet (it's half time). The France team is alost the opposite. All but a few players have black/brown skin and come from a variety of backgrounds.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,282
    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,276
    dixiedean said:

    ToryJim said:

    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    Its likely all down to the flavour of Kemis backers.if they break for Truss heavily Mordaunt could get squeezed out here.
    Jesus, anyone but Truss from that 5

    PM Truss will make Boris look like a bleeding heart liberal, it would be a Cabinet dominated by the ERG, she would be the puppet of Francois, IDS and Rees Mogg and Steve Baker as they would be the ones who got her the leadership
    Absolutely right which is why I’m terrified that she might win. The Tories would deserve annihilation at the election.
    She's the female IDS.
    She’d get to fight an election though. She’d utterly flame out but she’d fight it.
    Nah, she's get VONCed next autumn.
    Anyone know what the rules are there?

    In practice, any party VOMCing a newly-elected leader would look pretty desperate.

    But is there any formal equivalent of the 12 month immunity (unless you really hack off the '22) a leader gets from winning a VONC?
    They could always save time on an election by simply VONCing the candidates before they start.
    That does raise a question of whether they are using the right voting system to select candidates to put before the members. The present system means that an MP with one-third support among MPs is guaranteed to reach the membership, even if strongly opposed by the other two-thirds of their Parliamentary colleagues. Perhaps it's more important that the candidates who make the final two are tolerated by a majority of their colleagues, then that they have a smaller core of more fervent support?

    Perhaps if the voting was done in reality TV show style - vote for the candidate you want to evict from the contest - in each round, then you'd end up with the final two candidates having the best chance of having wide support amongst their colleagues.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Jessica Elgot
    @jessicaelgot
    ·
    2h
    Boris Johnson is planning a farewell party at Chequers this weekend - but he wants to stick on the backbenches for now.

    Allies suggest he will ask tricky questions on Ukraine, levelling up and NI protocol bill, the three things he fears could slip

    Oh please.
    The idea he will even bother turning up regularly is for the birds.
    I don't see why not. He'd see it as his Churchill in the wilderness period and find some issue to give portentous speeches about from the backbenches.
    I would have thought he'd be a bit too busy on the speeches and books front to regularly speak in the Commons.
    Chiltern Hundreds for sure.
    I'm not so sure - see @MikeL's post earlier
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    edited July 2022
    Ivana Trump has died at 73, Donald's first wife she was mother to 3 of his children. Trump has paid tribute on social media

    BREAKING NEWS: Ivana Trump dies aged 73 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11015223/Ivana-Trump-dies-aged-73.html?ito=native_share_article-top
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    But she wasn't trying to win the adverts at Waterloo Station.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,152
    eristdoof said:

    tlg86 said:

    Interesting piece:

    https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-england-are-superb-all-white-reasons-why-should-fixed

    It seems almost churlish to mention it at this precise moment in time. England have, after all, just recorded what is probably their finest ever result.

    But while the performances of the England team at this tournament have been obviously impressive, questions have been asked about the ethnic make-up of this team. The England team that started the Norway match was entirely white. This was the same against Austria, with all three of the substitutes introduced during that match also Caucasian. But why should this be, and what can be done about it?

    One problem that has been identified for young players in the women’s game has been the relocation of training facilities in recent years, increasingly to suburban or rural areas. This makes access difficult for players from less well-off areas, where families might not have the capacity to make either time or financial commitments to get girls training and playing in the first place. In the men’s game, the overwhelming majority of black players have come from urban areas, particularly in big cities. Women’s football has become a ‘middle-class’ sport, and that demographic is, well, whiter.

    I'm watching the France Belgium match at the momnet (it's half time). The France team is alost the opposite. All but a few players have black/brown skin and come from a variety of backgrounds.
    Yes, the piece mentions that, but Belgium - which has a lot of non-white male footballers like England - doesn’t have many non-white women in their squad. Same for Germany apparently.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,569
    tlg86 said:

    Interesting piece:

    https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-england-are-superb-all-white-reasons-why-should-fixed

    It seems almost churlish to mention it at this precise moment in time. England have, after all, just recorded what is probably their finest ever result.

    But while the performances of the England team at this tournament have been obviously impressive, questions have been asked about the ethnic make-up of this team. The England team that started the Norway match was entirely white. This was the same against Austria, with all three of the substitutes introduced during that match also Caucasian. But why should this be, and what can be done about it?

    One problem that has been identified for young players in the women’s game has been the relocation of training facilities in recent years, increasingly to suburban or rural areas. This makes access difficult for players from less well-off areas, where families might not have the capacity to make either time or financial commitments to get girls training and playing in the first place. In the men’s game, the overwhelming majority of black players have come from urban areas, particularly in big cities. Women’s football has become a ‘middle-class’ sport, and that demographic is, well, whiter.

    Wiegman is the brutally efficient and ruthless manager that they needed. In naming her squad she dropped Houghton despite 8 years as captain.

    There are plenty of black players in the Women's premiership, so I am not convinced by the argument.

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807
    edited July 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Seems to be Stop Penny time.
    If they want a clean break then stopping the candidate whose first instinct isn't to be truthful makes some sense, I guess.
    Don't really get the visceral anti-Truss sentiment tbh. Sure she's a poor speaker.

    For me it is partly the individual but partly the circumstances of this election.

    If Truss was winning the same proportion of MPs as May or Boris were in their elections, demonstrating that she had the party behind her, then I may have been prepared to give her a fair hearing. She is a bad public speaker and has an awkward presence but I do think a lot of the criticism of her is overblown re her performance in government.

    The problem comes from the fact that she is essentially now running as the candidate of the ERG and the Boris die hards. If she wins she will owe her position to a deeply unpleasant set of individuals who will extract their pieces of silver and will dominate her government. We have to hope that does not happen.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    You're right. We should call it Kick Frog Arse Station.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Jessica Elgot
    @jessicaelgot
    ·
    2h
    Boris Johnson is planning a farewell party at Chequers this weekend - but he wants to stick on the backbenches for now.

    Allies suggest he will ask tricky questions on Ukraine, levelling up and NI protocol bill, the three things he fears could slip

    Oh please.
    The idea he will even bother turning up regularly is for the birds.
    I don't see why not. He'd see it as his Churchill in the wilderness period and find some issue to give portentous speeches about from the backbenches.
    I would have thought he'd be a bit too busy on the speeches and books front to regularly speak in the Commons.
    Chiltern Hundreds for sure.
    Boris will hang around for £80,000 a year plus expenses, and to see if he is called back. I doubt he will contest the next general election, but then I always thought Boris planned to retire before then anyway, which might explain his apparently calm reaction; disappointed but not depressed to be out a year or so earlier than planned.
    Of course he's now free to rake in a huge Spectator/Telegraph fees for dashing out regular bullshit.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089
    How the hell is Badenoch still around 30-1 if Braverman is going to endorse Truss. Needs to be an extra zero there.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,808
    Pulpstar said:

    How the hell is Badenoch still around 30-1 if Braverman is going to endorse Truss. Needs to be an extra zero there.

    Lay it then
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,276
    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    It would be a bit of a snub to the Belgians to change the name from Waterloo now.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,835
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,089

    Pulpstar said:

    How the hell is Badenoch still around 30-1 if Braverman is going to endorse Truss. Needs to be an extra zero there.

    Lay it then
    I have.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,753
    OT Channel 4's The Undeclared War features a Russian troll farm tonight.
  • OnboardG1OnboardG1 Posts: 1,589
    theProle said:

    JACK_W said:

    I always enjoy a piece by Cyclefree, even more so when it comes from the high ground and we should always expect better of our politicians.

    The reality is that few will cast their ballot in the expectation that their candidate is a paragon of virtue, more that we chose the least worst and hope for more.

    Competence would be a start, let alone virtue. As mentioned on Spectator TV and elsewhere, whoever wins will be leading a country where prices are rocketing, there may be fuel shortages, no-one can see their doctor and muggers and murderers roam our streets untroubled by the constabulary. The government will need to establish it can get things done, now that firefighting Covid has disappeared as an excuse.

    None of the candidates so far seems to be addressing this, aside from fairytale tax cuts.
    On the "no-one can see a doctor" thing... A couple of weeks ago I felt a lump on one of my testicles.
    Rang my GP's surgery about 3pm. Could I come in for 4pm that afternoon?
    I did. Doctor saw me on time, pronounced it was probably a cyst rather than anything more serious, but wanted to get the ultrasound people to take a quick look just in case, also wanted to do some blood tests. Blood tests booked for the following Monday (this was a Thursday), Ultrasound booked for today (I.e. two weeks).

    Upshot is that two weeks from the initial phone call I've had a consultation, tests and an all clear. (I'll probably have a phone call with the doctor when he gets the results back, but the ultrasound operator was pretty clear it is just a cyst).
    Oh, and all done in my local town (pop approx 25k).

    Now, clearly my experiences aren't universal, but as someone who hadn't seen a doctor for years, and had got the impression from the media that the whole system was on the brink of collapse, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how uncollapsed at least my local bit of it seems to be.
    Similar story last month when I got knocked off my bike. One of the bystanders called 999 and the paramedic arrived within three minutes and the ambulance five minutes after that. I felt like a bit of a fraud since I was pretty sure I was fine but they weren't having any of my "I'm pretty sure I can get myself to A&E" shtick. Amazingly, two traffic coppers turned up within 20 minutes of the crash to take my statement from the back of the ambulance, and I got a call back within a couple of days from one of them ("I would have called you yesterday if your injuries had been more serious" suggested they were considering further action against the driver which I really didn't want).

    I know the system is strained as hell but I got really lucky.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    As for Poitiers...
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Omnium said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Which adverts?
    Trust me. Don’t. Even. Ask.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,297
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    So Suella is out and the momentum continues to be with Mordaunt who picked up the most extra support in terms of new MPs backing since the first round.

    However some suspicion she is too woke, not only from Cyclefree it seems but also Toby Young

    https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1547533888968445954?s=20&t=VlJvvsBJS3PZSn9cpkcVvA

    If only Cyclefree and Toby Young were at the leading edge of the zeitgeist?
    It's her honesty I have a major issue with. Not her "wokeness" whatever the hell that means. I regard myself as socially liberal.

    But lying and untrustworthiness: no - that's not on for me. Also I dislike PR bullshit and spin. The city is full of bullshit merchants. Some solid quiet achievement beats that any day of the week.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Jessica Elgot
    @jessicaelgot
    ·
    2h
    Boris Johnson is planning a farewell party at Chequers this weekend - but he wants to stick on the backbenches for now.

    Allies suggest he will ask tricky questions on Ukraine, levelling up and NI protocol bill, the three things he fears could slip

    Oh please.
    The idea he will even bother turning up regularly is for the birds.
    I don't see why not. He'd see it as his Churchill in the wilderness period and find some issue to give portentous speeches about from the backbenches.
    I would have thought he'd be a bit too busy on the speeches and books front to regularly speak in the Commons.
    Chiltern Hundreds for sure.
    BJ also has option of retaining his seat, but almost never showing up. Except when it suits him.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    The Nomad says he prefers Kemi. I think I agree.
    By the way, here's a tough cookie:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5IXIYuHobk
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644
    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Cyclefree said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    So Suella is out and the momentum continues to be with Mordaunt who picked up the most extra support in terms of new MPs backing since the first round.

    However some suspicion she is too woke, not only from Cyclefree it seems but also Toby Young

    https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/1547533888968445954?s=20&t=VlJvvsBJS3PZSn9cpkcVvA

    If only Cyclefree and Toby Young were at the leading edge of the zeitgeist?
    It's her honesty I have a major issue with. Not her "wokeness" whatever the hell that means. I regard myself as socially liberal.

    But lying and untrustworthiness: no - that's not on for me. Also I dislike PR bullshit and spin. The city is full of bullshit merchants. Some solid quiet achievement beats that any day of the week.

    If only there was a candidate who had some.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    OT Channel 4's The Undeclared War features a Russian troll farm tonight.

    Anyone we know?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,005

    OT Channel 4's The Undeclared War features a Russian troll farm tonight.

    Anyone we know?
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270
    edited July 2022
    If it's down to Sunak or Truss (which could be likely if the ERG/right of the party is starting to unite behind Truss) then we will have a Labour government in 2024. I don't see the Conservatives staying in power.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    You're right. We should call it Kick Frog Arse Station.
    Belle Alliance Station would be more historically accurate than current moniker.

    As was pointed out to the Duke of Wellington at the time, by some pesky foreigner?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,541
    Foxy said:

    theProle said:

    JACK_W said:

    I always enjoy a piece by Cyclefree, even more so when it comes from the high ground and we should always expect better of our politicians.

    The reality is that few will cast their ballot in the expectation that their candidate is a paragon of virtue, more that we chose the least worst and hope for more.

    Competence would be a start, let alone virtue. As mentioned on Spectator TV and elsewhere, whoever wins will be leading a country where prices are rocketing, there may be fuel shortages, no-one can see their doctor and muggers and murderers roam our streets untroubled by the constabulary. The government will need to establish it can get things done, now that firefighting Covid has disappeared as an excuse.

    None of the candidates so far seems to be addressing this, aside from fairytale tax cuts.
    On the "no-one can see a doctor" thing... A couple of weeks ago I felt a lump on one of my testicles.
    Rang my GP's surgery about 3pm. Could I come in for 4pm that afternoon?
    I did. Doctor saw me on time, pronounced it was probably a cyst rather than anything more serious, but wanted to get the ultrasound people to take a quick look just in case, also wanted to do some blood tests. Blood tests booked for the following Monday (this was a Thursday), Ultrasound booked for today (I.e. two weeks).

    Upshot is that two weeks from the initial phone call I've had a consultation, tests and an all clear. (I'll probably have a phone call with the doctor when he gets the results back, but the ultrasound operator was pretty clear it is just a cyst).
    Oh, and all done in my local town (pop approx 25k).

    Now, clearly my experiences aren't universal, but as someone who hadn't seen a doctor for years, and had got the impression from the media that the whole system was on the brink of collapse, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how uncollapsed at least my local bit of it seems to be.
    Yes, the system of telephone triage works well for urgent things.

    Also yesterday's GDP figures* included a significant increase in GP visits, so clearly some people are being seen.

    *I am not sure how this affects GDP. GP pay is a complex package but pay per visit isn't part of it.
    The UK, as a new experiment, tries to measure the public sector's contribution to GDP by output (work done), rather than input (salaries paid). Almost every other country just measures the input. This is supposedly the explanation for our covid GDP fall-and-rise being steeper than other countries (though healthcare output in particular would have been high during the pandemic, other things would have been much, much lower).
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,336
    Just catching up, but I don't think I've ever seen the Tories on here, of all stripes, quite so united.

    "No to Truss", they exclaimed in unison.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
    More precisely Battle, no?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498
    Kemi on LBC says she would restore cabinet government and appoint people based on merit, not loyalty.

    https://youtu.be/2wxf-bXqS5s
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,297
    dixiedean said:

    Stocky said:

    The Leadsom rumour is obviously emanating from the Rishi camp.

    Yes. I'd be surprised and disappointed if Mordaunt made Leadson CoE.
    They go back a long way.
    Mordaunt organised that risible pro-Leadsom March in 2016.

    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    The Tory leadership election is going to get blown away, as a news item, by the hot air of the scorchio weather

    We are now firmly into plausible prediction territory - Monday is 4 days away and some models are predicting 40C in.... MANCHESTER

    The overnight minima are equally amazing - 26C in some places. If you don't have aircon that is going to be horrid/dangerous

    There is still a reasonable chance the worst won't happen. But with each hour that passes and no substantial variation in the predictions, that becomes less likely. Brace

    You should come up to the Lakes my darling. The weather is gloriously pleasant: sunny but comfortable.

    I did not realise that the TiT slogan was a spoof. Apologies. I wrote this at 5 am as I did not sleep last night and only updated this evening. Have been out all day.

    I am allergic to liars, I'm afraid. Penny did not impress me during the referendum campaign and nothing I have seen since has changed my mind.

    But, tbh, none of them are really talking about the stuff that matters to voters.
    Is that because you would prefer a Starmer administration?
    No.

    I am politically homeless.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644
    OnboardG1 said:

    theProle said:

    JACK_W said:

    I always enjoy a piece by Cyclefree, even more so when it comes from the high ground and we should always expect better of our politicians.

    The reality is that few will cast their ballot in the expectation that their candidate is a paragon of virtue, more that we chose the least worst and hope for more.

    Competence would be a start, let alone virtue. As mentioned on Spectator TV and elsewhere, whoever wins will be leading a country where prices are rocketing, there may be fuel shortages, no-one can see their doctor and muggers and murderers roam our streets untroubled by the constabulary. The government will need to establish it can get things done, now that firefighting Covid has disappeared as an excuse.

    None of the candidates so far seems to be addressing this, aside from fairytale tax cuts.
    On the "no-one can see a doctor" thing... A couple of weeks ago I felt a lump on one of my testicles.
    Rang my GP's surgery about 3pm. Could I come in for 4pm that afternoon?
    I did. Doctor saw me on time, pronounced it was probably a cyst rather than anything more serious, but wanted to get the ultrasound people to take a quick look just in case, also wanted to do some blood tests. Blood tests booked for the following Monday (this was a Thursday), Ultrasound booked for today (I.e. two weeks).

    Upshot is that two weeks from the initial phone call I've had a consultation, tests and an all clear. (I'll probably have a phone call with the doctor when he gets the results back, but the ultrasound operator was pretty clear it is just a cyst).
    Oh, and all done in my local town (pop approx 25k).

    Now, clearly my experiences aren't universal, but as someone who hadn't seen a doctor for years, and had got the impression from the media that the whole system was on the brink of collapse, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how uncollapsed at least my local bit of it seems to be.
    Similar story last month when I got knocked off my bike. One of the bystanders called 999 and the paramedic arrived within three minutes and the ambulance five minutes after that. I felt like a bit of a fraud since I was pretty sure I was fine but they weren't having any of my "I'm pretty sure I can get myself to A&E" shtick. Amazingly, two traffic coppers turned up within 20 minutes of the crash to take my statement from the back of the ambulance, and I got a call back within a couple of days from one of them ("I would have called you yesterday if your injuries had been more serious" suggested they were considering further action against the driver which I really didn't want).

    I know the system is strained as hell but I got really lucky.
    I had a similar experience to @theProle last year, for a lump on my tongue - superb, rapid treatment, right in the middle of covid. Can't fault it.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,056
    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    Ah well. Happy Bastille Day everyone! 🇫🇷 *ducks*
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723

    OnboardG1 said:

    theProle said:

    JACK_W said:

    I always enjoy a piece by Cyclefree, even more so when it comes from the high ground and we should always expect better of our politicians.

    The reality is that few will cast their ballot in the expectation that their candidate is a paragon of virtue, more that we chose the least worst and hope for more.

    Competence would be a start, let alone virtue. As mentioned on Spectator TV and elsewhere, whoever wins will be leading a country where prices are rocketing, there may be fuel shortages, no-one can see their doctor and muggers and murderers roam our streets untroubled by the constabulary. The government will need to establish it can get things done, now that firefighting Covid has disappeared as an excuse.

    None of the candidates so far seems to be addressing this, aside from fairytale tax cuts.
    On the "no-one can see a doctor" thing... A couple of weeks ago I felt a lump on one of my testicles.
    Rang my GP's surgery about 3pm. Could I come in for 4pm that afternoon?
    I did. Doctor saw me on time, pronounced it was probably a cyst rather than anything more serious, but wanted to get the ultrasound people to take a quick look just in case, also wanted to do some blood tests. Blood tests booked for the following Monday (this was a Thursday), Ultrasound booked for today (I.e. two weeks).

    Upshot is that two weeks from the initial phone call I've had a consultation, tests and an all clear. (I'll probably have a phone call with the doctor when he gets the results back, but the ultrasound operator was pretty clear it is just a cyst).
    Oh, and all done in my local town (pop approx 25k).

    Now, clearly my experiences aren't universal, but as someone who hadn't seen a doctor for years, and had got the impression from the media that the whole system was on the brink of collapse, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how uncollapsed at least my local bit of it seems to be.
    Similar story last month when I got knocked off my bike. One of the bystanders called 999 and the paramedic arrived within three minutes and the ambulance five minutes after that. I felt like a bit of a fraud since I was pretty sure I was fine but they weren't having any of my "I'm pretty sure I can get myself to A&E" shtick. Amazingly, two traffic coppers turned up within 20 minutes of the crash to take my statement from the back of the ambulance, and I got a call back within a couple of days from one of them ("I would have called you yesterday if your injuries had been more serious" suggested they were considering further action against the driver which I really didn't want).

    I know the system is strained as hell but I got really lucky.
    I had a similar experience to @theProle last year, for a lump on my tongue - superb, rapid treatment, right in the middle of covid. Can't fault it.
    Me too, for the same problem.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    You're right. We should call it Kick Frog Arse Station.
    Belle Alliance Station would be more historically accurate than current moniker.

    As was pointed out to the Duke of Wellington at the time, by some pesky foreigner?
    You cannot have a terminus station with 'Belle' in it.

    Otherwise everyone gets off at Belle's End.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    You're right. We should call it Kick Frog Arse Station.
    Belle Alliance Station would be more historically accurate than current moniker.

    As was pointed out to the Duke of Wellington at the time, by some pesky foreigner?
    Surely Hauptbahnhof Schöne Allianz.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,757
    Foxy said:

    theProle said:

    JACK_W said:

    I always enjoy a piece by Cyclefree, even more so when it comes from the high ground and we should always expect better of our politicians.

    The reality is that few will cast their ballot in the expectation that their candidate is a paragon of virtue, more that we chose the least worst and hope for more.

    Competence would be a start, let alone virtue. As mentioned on Spectator TV and elsewhere, whoever wins will be leading a country where prices are rocketing, there may be fuel shortages, no-one can see their doctor and muggers and murderers roam our streets untroubled by the constabulary. The government will need to establish it can get things done, now that firefighting Covid has disappeared as an excuse.

    None of the candidates so far seems to be addressing this, aside from fairytale tax cuts.
    On the "no-one can see a doctor" thing... A couple of weeks ago I felt a lump on one of my testicles.
    Rang my GP's surgery about 3pm. Could I come in for 4pm that afternoon?
    I did. Doctor saw me on time, pronounced it was probably a cyst rather than anything more serious, but wanted to get the ultrasound people to take a quick look just in case, also wanted to do some blood tests. Blood tests booked for the following Monday (this was a Thursday), Ultrasound booked for today (I.e. two weeks).

    Upshot is that two weeks from the initial phone call I've had a consultation, tests and an all clear. (I'll probably have a phone call with the doctor when he gets the results back, but the ultrasound operator was pretty clear it is just a cyst).
    Oh, and all done in my local town (pop approx 25k).

    Now, clearly my experiences aren't universal, but as someone who hadn't seen a doctor for years, and had got the impression from the media that the whole system was on the brink of collapse, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how uncollapsed at least my local bit of it seems to be.
    Yes, the system of telephone triage works well for urgent things.

    Also yesterday's GDP figures* included a significant increase in GP visits, so clearly some people are being seen.

    *I am not sure how this affects GDP. GP pay is a complex package but pay per visit isn't part of it.
    It's quite random based on local anecdata. Guy I work with who stays in the posh bit of town - phoned his GP three times over the past few months for just general 'feeling a bit funny' stuff and got an in-person appointment within 24hrs each time.

    I had to phone my GP to sort a repeat prescription in a very much not-posh part of town and after three days of engaged-tone/no-tone/nothing (roughly 30 calls) got through to a receptionist who told me they only do same-day appointments and I had to call back the next day at 8.30am. Which was another 10 calls in the morning before I got through.

    My GP was very helpful when I got eventually got an appointment (over the phone) but it was also very clear that it would be really helpful if I just got off the call ASAP.

    Clearly demand-led pressure. But possibly another indicator of the increase of the increase that covid-times is bringing to inequalities in health outcomes between rich and poor.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644
    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
    More precisely Battle, no?
    Well, there's a Battle station too but, no, it wasn't the Battle of Battle.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    CatMan said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    Ah well. Happy Bastille Day everyone! 🇫🇷 *ducks*
    Don't be silly. They were frogs, not ducks.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    OT Channel 4's The Undeclared War features a Russian troll farm tonight.

    Anyone we know?
    Copy cat! OR great minds working alike?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
    More precisely Battle, no?
    Well, there's a Battle station too but, no, it wasn't the Battle of Battle.
    It was *the* Battle. Don't need any further qualification. If you trhink how many of the current aristocracy and royalty claim their legitimacy, not to mention the C of E, directly or indirectly ...
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,056
    ydoethur said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    As for Poitiers...
    I guess renaming Gare du Nord "When I am dead and opened, you shall find Calais lying in my heart" is out of the question.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,955

    OT Channel 4's The Undeclared War features a Russian troll farm tonight.

    Anyone we know?
    Copy cat! OR great minds working alike?
    or a bot farm...
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Scott_xP said:

    OT Channel 4's The Undeclared War features a Russian troll farm tonight.

    Anyone we know?
    Copy cat! OR great minds working alike?
    or a bot farm...
    Nyet!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,038

    Kemi on LBC says she would restore cabinet government and appoint people based on merit, not loyalty.

    https://youtu.be/2wxf-bXqS5s

    Well, she would say that wouldn't she?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    Kemi on LBC says she would restore cabinet government and appoint people based on merit, not loyalty.

    https://youtu.be/2wxf-bXqS5s

    What a pointless comment. Every PM who has ever existed would claim those they appoint merit their roles.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,326
    OnboardG1 said:

    theProle said:

    JACK_W said:

    I always enjoy a piece by Cyclefree, even more so when it comes from the high ground and we should always expect better of our politicians.

    The reality is that few will cast their ballot in the expectation that their candidate is a paragon of virtue, more that we chose the least worst and hope for more.

    Competence would be a start, let alone virtue. As mentioned on Spectator TV and elsewhere, whoever wins will be leading a country where prices are rocketing, there may be fuel shortages, no-one can see their doctor and muggers and murderers roam our streets untroubled by the constabulary. The government will need to establish it can get things done, now that firefighting Covid has disappeared as an excuse.

    None of the candidates so far seems to be addressing this, aside from fairytale tax cuts.
    On the "no-one can see a doctor" thing... A couple of weeks ago I felt a lump on one of my testicles.
    Rang my GP's surgery about 3pm. Could I come in for 4pm that afternoon?
    I did. Doctor saw me on time, pronounced it was probably a cyst rather than anything more serious, but wanted to get the ultrasound people to take a quick look just in case, also wanted to do some blood tests. Blood tests booked for the following Monday (this was a Thursday), Ultrasound booked for today (I.e. two weeks).

    Upshot is that two weeks from the initial phone call I've had a consultation, tests and an all clear. (I'll probably have a phone call with the doctor when he gets the results back, but the ultrasound operator was pretty clear it is just a cyst).
    Oh, and all done in my local town (pop approx 25k).

    Now, clearly my experiences aren't universal, but as someone who hadn't seen a doctor for years, and had got the impression from the media that the whole system was on the brink of collapse, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how uncollapsed at least my local bit of it seems to be.
    Similar story last month when I got knocked off my bike. One of the bystanders called 999 and the paramedic arrived within three minutes and the ambulance five minutes after that. I felt like a bit of a fraud since I was pretty sure I was fine but they weren't having any of my "I'm pretty sure I can get myself to A&E" shtick. Amazingly, two traffic coppers turned up within 20 minutes of the crash to take my statement from the back of the ambulance, and I got a call back within a couple of days from one of them ("I would have called you yesterday if your injuries had been more serious" suggested they were considering further action against the driver which I really didn't want).

    I know the system is strained as hell but I got really lucky.
    Sadly not always the case. On Tuesday I noticed an old lady had collapsed on the street. She was being looked after by four or five people while they waited for the ambulance. Four hours later she was still there, now with an umbrella providing shade, and a blanket and pillows.
    I think it is shameful that we have reached this situation. I know it’s been tough the last couple of years, and I’m sure Covid is responsible for a lot of the issues but still.
    I think the issue ultimately is about efficiency. Works well until there is a surge, when it breaks down. Hospital beds is the classic. If you always run at say 95% occupancy or more, when the pressure comes there is nowhere to go.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,493
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    Rename stations at random. Penge East could be 'Siege of Rouen Halt'
    'Culloden' would be nice for Euston or King's Cross, and help make our Scots friends feel at home. South Greenford could be 'Brunanburh'.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,808

    Kemi on LBC says she would restore cabinet government and appoint people based on merit, not loyalty.

    https://youtu.be/2wxf-bXqS5s

    Wow
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994
    Cyclefree said:

    dixiedean said:

    Stocky said:

    The Leadsom rumour is obviously emanating from the Rishi camp.

    Yes. I'd be surprised and disappointed if Mordaunt made Leadson CoE.
    They go back a long way.
    Mordaunt organised that risible pro-Leadsom March in 2016.

    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    The Tory leadership election is going to get blown away, as a news item, by the hot air of the scorchio weather

    We are now firmly into plausible prediction territory - Monday is 4 days away and some models are predicting 40C in.... MANCHESTER

    The overnight minima are equally amazing - 26C in some places. If you don't have aircon that is going to be horrid/dangerous

    There is still a reasonable chance the worst won't happen. But with each hour that passes and no substantial variation in the predictions, that becomes less likely. Brace

    You should come up to the Lakes my darling. The weather is gloriously pleasant: sunny but comfortable.

    I did not realise that the TiT slogan was a spoof. Apologies. I wrote this at 5 am as I did not sleep last night and only updated this evening. Have been out all day.

    I am allergic to liars, I'm afraid. Penny did not impress me during the referendum campaign and nothing I have seen since has changed my mind.

    But, tbh, none of them are really talking about the stuff that matters to voters.
    Is that because you would prefer a Starmer administration?
    No.

    I am politically homeless.
    I think that was a LD slogan in the late 90s.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644
    kle4 said:

    Kemi on LBC says she would restore cabinet government and appoint people based on merit, not loyalty.

    https://youtu.be/2wxf-bXqS5s

    What a pointless comment. Every PM who has ever existed would claim those they appoint merit their roles.
    Yep - vacuous trash. I bet she's going to cut immigration, reduce crime, help hard-working families and grow the economy too.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    You're right. We should call it Kick Frog Arse Station.
    Belle Alliance Station would be more historically accurate than current moniker.

    As was pointed out to the Duke of Wellington at the time, by some pesky foreigner?
    Surely Hauptbahnhof Schöne Allianz.
    "Quelle affaire!"
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,056
    edited July 2022

    OnboardG1 said:

    theProle said:

    JACK_W said:

    I always enjoy a piece by Cyclefree, even more so when it comes from the high ground and we should always expect better of our politicians.

    The reality is that few will cast their ballot in the expectation that their candidate is a paragon of virtue, more that we chose the least worst and hope for more.

    Competence would be a start, let alone virtue. As mentioned on Spectator TV and elsewhere, whoever wins will be leading a country where prices are rocketing, there may be fuel shortages, no-one can see their doctor and muggers and murderers roam our streets untroubled by the constabulary. The government will need to establish it can get things done, now that firefighting Covid has disappeared as an excuse.

    None of the candidates so far seems to be addressing this, aside from fairytale tax cuts.
    On the "no-one can see a doctor" thing... A couple of weeks ago I felt a lump on one of my testicles.
    Rang my GP's surgery about 3pm. Could I come in for 4pm that afternoon?
    I did. Doctor saw me on time, pronounced it was probably a cyst rather than anything more serious, but wanted to get the ultrasound people to take a quick look just in case, also wanted to do some blood tests. Blood tests booked for the following Monday (this was a Thursday), Ultrasound booked for today (I.e. two weeks).

    Upshot is that two weeks from the initial phone call I've had a consultation, tests and an all clear. (I'll probably have a phone call with the doctor when he gets the results back, but the ultrasound operator was pretty clear it is just a cyst).
    Oh, and all done in my local town (pop approx 25k).

    Now, clearly my experiences aren't universal, but as someone who hadn't seen a doctor for years, and had got the impression from the media that the whole system was on the brink of collapse, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how uncollapsed at least my local bit of it seems to be.
    Similar story last month when I got knocked off my bike. One of the bystanders called 999 and the paramedic arrived within three minutes and the ambulance five minutes after that. I felt like a bit of a fraud since I was pretty sure I was fine but they weren't having any of my "I'm pretty sure I can get myself to A&E" shtick. Amazingly, two traffic coppers turned up within 20 minutes of the crash to take my statement from the back of the ambulance, and I got a call back within a couple of days from one of them ("I would have called you yesterday if your injuries had been more serious" suggested they were considering further action against the driver which I really didn't want).

    I know the system is strained as hell but I got really lucky.
    Sadly not always the case. On Tuesday I noticed an old lady had collapsed on the street. She was being looked after by four or five people while they waited for the ambulance. Four hours later she was still there, now with an umbrella providing shade, and a blanket and pillows.
    I think it is shameful that we have reached this situation. I know it’s been tough the last couple of years, and I’m sure Covid is responsible for a lot of the issues but still.
    I think the issue ultimately is about efficiency. Works well until there is a surge, when it breaks down. Hospital beds is the classic. If you always run at say 95% occupancy or more, when the pressure comes there is nowhere to go.
    There was someone on Radio 4 earlier today talking about their elderly mother who tripped and fell on their patio, and waiting 8 hours for an ambulance, then having to spend over 10 hours waiting in the ambulance at the hospital. Insane.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764
    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
    More precisely Battle, no?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_railway_station
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644
    HYUFD said:
    Good grief. Another reason never to go to Benidorm.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,955
    NEW Former ERG chairman Steve Baker MP backs Liz Truss, after Suella Braverman came out for the Foreign Secretary.

    He tells The Daily Telegraph: “Suella has my complete loyalty. What she has decided, I will support."
    #ToryLeadershipRace

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1547678893691113474
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723
    edited July 2022
    HYUFD said:
    I much preferred this one - suitably probing (you might have missed it yesterday):

    https://twitter.com/Benlunn/status/1547142175066046466
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    edited July 2022
    Eabhal said:

    OnboardG1 said:

    theProle said:

    JACK_W said:

    I always enjoy a piece by Cyclefree, even more so when it comes from the high ground and we should always expect better of our politicians.

    The reality is that few will cast their ballot in the expectation that their candidate is a paragon of virtue, more that we chose the least worst and hope for more.

    Competence would be a start, let alone virtue. As mentioned on Spectator TV and elsewhere, whoever wins will be leading a country where prices are rocketing, there may be fuel shortages, no-one can see their doctor and muggers and murderers roam our streets untroubled by the constabulary. The government will need to establish it can get things done, now that firefighting Covid has disappeared as an excuse.

    None of the candidates so far seems to be addressing this, aside from fairytale tax cuts.
    On the "no-one can see a doctor" thing... A couple of weeks ago I felt a lump on one of my testicles.
    Rang my GP's surgery about 3pm. Could I come in for 4pm that afternoon?
    I did. Doctor saw me on time, pronounced it was probably a cyst rather than anything more serious, but wanted to get the ultrasound people to take a quick look just in case, also wanted to do some blood tests. Blood tests booked for the following Monday (this was a Thursday), Ultrasound booked for today (I.e. two weeks).

    Upshot is that two weeks from the initial phone call I've had a consultation, tests and an all clear. (I'll probably have a phone call with the doctor when he gets the results back, but the ultrasound operator was pretty clear it is just a cyst).
    Oh, and all done in my local town (pop approx 25k).

    Now, clearly my experiences aren't universal, but as someone who hadn't seen a doctor for years, and had got the impression from the media that the whole system was on the brink of collapse, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how uncollapsed at least my local bit of it seems to be.
    Similar story last month when I got knocked off my bike. One of the bystanders called 999 and the paramedic arrived within three minutes and the ambulance five minutes after that. I felt like a bit of a fraud since I was pretty sure I was fine but they weren't having any of my "I'm pretty sure I can get myself to A&E" shtick. Amazingly, two traffic coppers turned up within 20 minutes of the crash to take my statement from the back of the ambulance, and I got a call back within a couple of days from one of them ("I would have called you yesterday if your injuries had been more serious" suggested they were considering further action against the driver which I really didn't want).

    I know the system is strained as hell but I got really lucky.
    Same from me. Had surgery in December and still getting great, regular physiotherapy on the NHS. Back swimming, and up to 5 press ups now! (from a pre-op 40ish).

    Police spotted a close pass on my bike outside Holyrood Palace. Driver pulled over, cops phoned me up afterwards informing me the driver had been fined and given 6 points. Lovely stuff.
    Otoh, my GP de-registered me after I got my clips out back home in the Highlands over Christmas. This was despite numerous calls trying to make sure this wouldn't happen.

    Apparently I have to book a 3 hour slot to re-register in person. Don't really understand how someone on shift work deals with that. I can't be fucked, I'll just turn up if I need an appointment and point out the mistake they made.

    I think actual front line services (GPs, ambulance, A & E) are where the real issues are. Pharmacies are much better for sorting out quick issues (especially skin stuff).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,994

    kle4 said:

    Kemi on LBC says she would restore cabinet government and appoint people based on merit, not loyalty.

    https://youtu.be/2wxf-bXqS5s

    What a pointless comment. Every PM who has ever existed would claim those they appoint merit their roles.
    Yep - vacuous trash. I bet she's going to cut immigration, reduce crime, help hard-working families and grow the economy too.
    Don't forget she cares about the country I expect.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,276
    This is the Met Office take on the chances of 40C, from their youtube channel.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2TCNLtLItk
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386

    OT Channel 4's The Undeclared War features a Russian troll farm tonight.

    Are they interviewing Mikhail Train?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,498

    kle4 said:

    Kemi on LBC says she would restore cabinet government and appoint people based on merit, not loyalty.

    https://youtu.be/2wxf-bXqS5s

    What a pointless comment. Every PM who has ever existed would claim those they appoint merit their roles.
    Yep - vacuous trash. I bet she's going to cut immigration, reduce crime, help hard-working families and grow the economy too.
    Watch it before you dismiss her.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,386
    Great to see Chris Froome back at the front of a Tour stage today.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    HYUFD said:
    Good grief. Another reason never to go to Benidorm.
    Can someone explain to me why these sectarian losers chose Spain - a catholic country - to do this?

    I probably don’t want to know.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
    More precisely Battle, no?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_railway_station
    Ooh, looks nice, definitely worth an outing some day.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,498
    So gamblers, have we taken into account the Black Swan that is Ben Wallace?

    Just imagine if he comes out and torpedoes Rishi as as a Putin appeaser.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723

    HYUFD said:
    Good grief. Another reason never to go to Benidorm.
    Can someone explain to me why these sectarian losers chose Spain - a catholic country - to do this?

    I probably don’t want to know.
    My immediate reaction is to want to know what happens at every single RC church they pass. Did someone warn them it's a primarily RC country?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,764
    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    Rename stations at random. Penge East could be 'Siege of Rouen Halt'
    'Culloden' would be nice for Euston or King's Cross, and help make our Scots friends feel at home. South Greenford could be 'Brunanburh'.
    Paris has a "Jena" and a "Stalingrad".
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,682
    edited July 2022
    Little known fact about Mordaunt, she was George W Bush's head of foreign press in the 2000 presidential election and also worked for the Bush campaign in 2004. She was also John Major's Head of Youth

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Mordaunt
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321
    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
    More precisely Battle, no?
    It might rattle the people of Battle, but it's not know precisely where the Battle of Battle was battled. Battle claims the mantle, but the geography around Battle doesn't quite match descriptions of the battle. Battles over the proper title of Battle's battle have rattled on and the knotty matter will not be settled.
    Eh?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723

    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    Rename stations at random. Penge East could be 'Siege of Rouen Halt'
    'Culloden' would be nice for Euston or King's Cross, and help make our Scots friends feel at home. South Greenford could be 'Brunanburh'.
    Paris has a "Jena" and a "Stalingrad".
    Austerlitz, too, IIRC?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,309
    edited July 2022
    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    Rename stations at random. Penge East could be 'Siege of Rouen Halt'
    'Culloden' would be nice for Euston or King's Cross, and help make our Scots friends feel at home. South Greenford could be 'Brunanburh'.
    If we named one Blucher do you think it would make the trains turn up unexpectedly in the nick of time?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644
    edited July 2022

    So gamblers, have we taken into account the Black Swan that is Ben Wallace?

    Just imagine if he comes out and torpedoes Rishi as as a Putin appeaser.

    I can't help thinking somebody is going to try to nuke at least one of the two candidates who get to the members ballot.

    I just wonder what tasty scandal is being held back for the right moment.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
    More precisely Battle, no?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_railway_station
    There's only won unfortunately Sunil, so no chance for you to go to Battle stations.
    Actually, it wasn't only won,it was lost as well.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,772
    Just to make the petrol heads here jealous I have been out and about today in a Ferrari 430 with a challenge series upgrade. I think that is 600 bhp and 200 mph top speed. A bit nippier than my Kia picanto.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,569
    CatMan said:

    OT Channel 4's The Undeclared War features a Russian troll farm tonight.

    If it doesn't have a shot of someone logged onto PB I'll be very disappointed.
    Wonder what the easiest/hardest site is for trolls. I presume Telegraph/Guardian is pretty easy. Reddit middling? PB top tier?
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,389
    OnboardG1 said:

    theProle said:

    JACK_W said:

    I always enjoy a piece by Cyclefree, even more so when it comes from the high ground and we should always expect better of our politicians.

    The reality is that few will cast their ballot in the expectation that their candidate is a paragon of virtue, more that we chose the least worst and hope for more.

    Competence would be a start, let alone virtue. As mentioned on Spectator TV and elsewhere, whoever wins will be leading a country where prices are rocketing, there may be fuel shortages, no-one can see their doctor and muggers and murderers roam our streets untroubled by the constabulary. The government will need to establish it can get things done, now that firefighting Covid has disappeared as an excuse.

    None of the candidates so far seems to be addressing this, aside from fairytale tax cuts.
    On the "no-one can see a doctor" thing... A couple of weeks ago I felt a lump on one of my testicles.
    Rang my GP's surgery about 3pm. Could I come in for 4pm that afternoon?
    I did. Doctor saw me on time, pronounced it was probably a cyst rather than anything more serious, but wanted to get the ultrasound people to take a quick look just in case, also wanted to do some blood tests. Blood tests booked for the following Monday (this was a Thursday), Ultrasound booked for today (I.e. two weeks).

    Upshot is that two weeks from the initial phone call I've had a consultation, tests and an all clear. (I'll probably have a phone call with the doctor when he gets the results back, but the ultrasound operator was pretty clear it is just a cyst).
    Oh, and all done in my local town (pop approx 25k).

    Now, clearly my experiences aren't universal, but as someone who hadn't seen a doctor for years, and had got the impression from the media that the whole system was on the brink of collapse, I was quite pleasantly surprised by how uncollapsed at least my local bit of it seems to be.
    Similar story last month when I got knocked off my bike. One of the bystanders called 999 and the paramedic arrived within three minutes and the ambulance five minutes after that. I felt like a bit of a fraud since I was pretty sure I was fine but they weren't having any of my "I'm pretty sure I can get myself to A&E" shtick. Amazingly, two traffic coppers turned up within 20 minutes of the crash to take my statement from the back of the ambulance, and I got a call back within a couple of days from one of them ("I would have called you yesterday if your injuries had been more serious" suggested they were considering further action against the driver which I really didn't want).

    I know the system is strained as hell but I got really lucky.
    That is great that you are ok, but it all seems a bit over the top to me. I had a similar thing about 12 years ago, I hit a pothole on my bike and someone called 999. The ambulance came, I was taken to hospital, and then the police turned up to interview me. It got really annoying because the police kept following me around hospital while I was being examined by the doctor. The doctor told them to get lost at one point. Eventually I asked the police if I was under suspicion of something, and the officer said driving without due caution, but they were not going to press charges. So the impression I got from this was that the police were wasting hours investigating no crime incidents where people fall off their bikes.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,644
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
    More precisely Battle, no?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_railway_station
    There's only won unfortunately Sunil, so no chance for you to go to Battle stations.
    Actually, it wasn't only won,it was lost as well.
    Can't believe I typed that!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,321

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    Tbf there's a Hastings Station, and we lost that one.
    More precisely Battle, no?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_railway_station
    There's only won unfortunately Sunil, so no chance for you to go to Battle stations.
    Actually, it wasn't only won,it was lost as well.
    Can't believe I typed that!
    You missed a golden opportunity to blame autocorrect as well.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    edited July 2022
    ydoethur said:

    pigeon said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    And Blenheim.
    As for Poitiers...
    Always thought there were multiple Poitiers but it seems the others are called Tours and Vouille and stuff
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    Rename stations at random. Penge East could be 'Siege of Rouen Halt'
    'Culloden' would be nice for Euston or King's Cross, and help make our Scots friends feel at home. South Greenford could be 'Brunanburh'.
    Why not set a good example for others - something of an English specialty, at least in English eyes - by naming stations for British DEFEATS. Symbolic of recognizing reality then moving fearlessly forward.

    Yorktown Station? Idsandlwana Station? Gallipoli Station? Singapore Station?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,723

    algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?
    Rename stations at random. Penge East could be 'Siege of Rouen Halt'
    'Culloden' would be nice for Euston or King's Cross, and help make our Scots friends feel at home. South Greenford could be 'Brunanburh'.
    Why not set a good example for others - something of an English specialty, at least in English eyes - by naming stations for British DEFEATS. Symbolic of recognizing reality then moving fearlessly forward.

    Yorktown Station? Idsandlwana Station? Gallipoli Station? Singapore Station?
    Isandhlwana ...

    Well, Hastings/Battle and Dunkirk were defeats ...
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Cyclefree said:

    dixiedean said:

    Stocky said:

    The Leadsom rumour is obviously emanating from the Rishi camp.

    Yes. I'd be surprised and disappointed if Mordaunt made Leadson CoE.
    They go back a long way.
    Mordaunt organised that risible pro-Leadsom March in 2016.

    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    The Tory leadership election is going to get blown away, as a news item, by the hot air of the scorchio weather

    We are now firmly into plausible prediction territory - Monday is 4 days away and some models are predicting 40C in.... MANCHESTER

    The overnight minima are equally amazing - 26C in some places. If you don't have aircon that is going to be horrid/dangerous

    There is still a reasonable chance the worst won't happen. But with each hour that passes and no substantial variation in the predictions, that becomes less likely. Brace

    You should come up to the Lakes my darling. The weather is gloriously pleasant: sunny but comfortable.

    I did not realise that the TiT slogan was a spoof. Apologies. I wrote this at 5 am as I did not sleep last night and only updated this evening. Have been out all day.

    I am allergic to liars, I'm afraid. Penny did not impress me during the referendum campaign and nothing I have seen since has changed my mind.

    But, tbh, none of them are really talking about the stuff that matters to voters.
    Is that because you would prefer a Starmer administration?
    No.

    I am politically homeless.
    I reached the same point, just a bit earlier. It was between the 2017 and 2019 as I watched Corbyn's loons take over Labour and the the Kippers take over the Tories. I voted LibDem in 2017 but their subsequent disappearance from public view took that option away.

    I no longer vote
  • algarkirk said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    I am so sorry for all those offended by adverts at Waterloo Station that Kemi won’t be winning

    Yet they are quite happy to cause permanent offence to our second closest international neighbours by continuing to call it Waterloo. Bit selective on the offence front methinks.
    We should rename all our terminals: Waterloo, Agincourt, Crecy, and Treaty of Troyes.
    How could you forget Picquigny and Trafalgar?



    Rename stations at random. Penge East could be 'Siege of Rouen Halt'
    'Culloden' would be nice for Euston or King's Cross, and help make our Scots friends feel at home. South Greenford could be 'Brunanburh'.
    Why not set a good example for others - something of an English specialty, at least in English eyes - by naming stations for British DEFEATS. Symbolic of recognizing reality then moving fearlessly forward.


    Yorktown Station? Idsandlwana Station? Gallipoli Station? Singapore Station?
    Brexit South?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    kjh said:

    Just to make the petrol heads here jealous I have been out and about today in a Ferrari 430 with a challenge series upgrade. I think that is 600 bhp and 200 mph top speed. A bit nippier than my Kia picanto.

    Did you have to pay for the petrol? 👍
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    From the Torygraph story about a masculine culture at No 10 comes the least surprising revelation of all time:

    “Boris was completely disorganised. First thing in the morning, he would turn up two hours late. His hair would be wet. He’d have his zip undone or his shirt hanging out. He’d be just a complete mess all the time.”
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