The other thing to remember about the Scotus judgement is that the Republican majority on the court is courtesy of appointments made by a president who lost the popular vote. The US constitutional set up is a mess. And it has been weaponised by the Republicans in order to impose their views on a country that doesn't agree with them.
A lot of people will dance on the head of a pin about the election, but that the minority rules is a valid point that transcends the electoral system. (Also, the popular vote loser, election winner, always seems to be the same party, be it the presidency, Congress or what have you. So I think there's an element of sneaking regard for the conservative GOP in those pin-head-dances.)
Nadine Dorries and the other collaborators in the UK culture war can feck right off.
It’s a two way war, pal
Republicans v women.
pal.
It’s not outrageous to believe that all human life begins at conception, and must therefore be protected as much as a baby
I don’t agree but I respect that sincere belief honestly held by many in the USA
Trouble is SOME right wingers have hijacked this cause as a way to monster the Left, as they believe the Left is bent on destroying the America they know
It’s a war. Pal.
Enough of this chippy 'pal' thing. It's a cringer.
On the 'respect' front, for me it depends. People who believe abortion is morally wrong and (if a woman) would never contemplate it - I respect that. But people (esp men) who seek to impose that view by law on everyone else and in the process roll back the emancipation of women by 50 years - I don't respect that. I have contempt for it tbh.
It's a subset of the right isn't it - the deeply religious conservative ones. Very niche over here thankfully. Plenty of them are women.
A subset wielding disproportionate power atm for various reasons. Personally I think this is so gross that it won't hold. Can't say how exactly it will collapse but I'm pretty sure it will. You can't do this to women in 2022. You can't just sort of 'pretend' those struggles of the civil rights era never happened. I know the phrase 'wrong side of history' is over-bandied and can irritate, but it really does apply here.
maybe the tide of history is turning...maybe women have decided they have had enough of the sexual revolution
Dunno if you are a Russian bot, but this seems to me entirely plausible. Women can be much more socially conservative than men, see female genital mutilation, which is often preserved by the opinions of women (men tend not to care, or be anti)
The same process is known to defending rape lawyers, who will always try to pack a jury with women, as they are more judgemental (“the slut was drunk and asking for it”)
Women under 45 are more strongly pro-Choice than men under 45. Above 60, it's the other way around.
it will be women who rollback the sexual revolution when they decide they are no longer benefitting from it...maybe they are sick of rough casual sex and men who wont commit or even working in large corporations for 60 hours per week to afford a house...at that point the whole sexual revolution collapses
You do know that they aren't obliged to have rough casual sex? Women aren't forced to swipe left on Tinder.
you have the classic "goldman sachs" type view of seeing us as a society of atomised indviduals...have you never heard of social pressure....that "goldman sachs" type view of people as atomised individuals has done tremendous harm
While the "micktrain" worldview of seeking to control the behaviour of consenting adults has been utterly without problems, right?
happy medium mate happy medium....society doesnt have to be saudi arabia nor the present day uk...there is a balance between outright sexual decadence and sexual repression
Are we talking about sexual decadence though?
Banning abortion means that females in normal relationships who have an accident or are naive and who do not want a baby - plus the male concerned who doesn't not want a baby either - are barred by state dictate from exercising choice.
As someone who's lived in the UK for over 20 years, it's depressing to think I've missed out on all the sexual decadence going on around me. If we're living in the equivalent of the late Roman empire, please show me the way to all that rough sex. I'm ready to be brutalized.
More seriously, it's amazing how ambivalent people can be about abortion until faced with financially supporting an unwanted kid. Than they're pro-choice all the way.
the significance of today is it is the first major setback to the sexual revolution since it started in the 1960s with easily available contraception. Historians may lookback on today as the day when the sexual revolution started to go into reverse
The heyday of the sexual revolution for straight people (and men and women who liked to experiment with being bi) was in the 70s. Then came herpes, AIDS, Reagan, everybody getting older than dirt, etc. etc.
I was in grade school in 1977, so I missed out on that as well.
I remmeber the feeling of growing up a teenager in the early 70s. That sense of having missed the bus was palpable.
I think by 2050 we will look back on the late 20th century and not believe the level of sexual freedom there was in the same way medieval peasants looked back on the roman orgies
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
see what years of sexual decadence gets you.....eventually economic collapse hence why i think the sexual revolution is now over and will reverse especially if women no longer benefit from it
Nadine Dorries and the other collaborators in the UK culture war can feck right off.
It’s a two way war, pal
Republicans v women.
pal.
It’s not outrageous to believe that all human life begins at conception, and must therefore be protected as much as a baby
I don’t agree but I respect that sincere belief honestly held by many in the USA
Trouble is SOME right wingers have hijacked this cause as a way to monster the Left, as they believe the Left is bent on destroying the America they know
It’s a war. Pal.
Enough of this chippy 'pal' thing. It's a cringer.
On the 'respect' front, for me it depends. People who believe abortion is morally wrong and (if a woman) would never contemplate it - I respect that. But people (esp men) who seek to impose that view by law on everyone else and in the process roll back the emancipation of women by 50 years - I don't respect that. I have contempt for it tbh.
It's a subset of the right isn't it - the deeply religious conservative ones. Very niche over here thankfully. Plenty of them are women.
A subset wielding disproportionate power atm for various reasons. Personally I think this is so gross that it won't hold. Can't say how exactly it will collapse but I'm pretty sure it will. You can't do this to women in 2022. You can't just sort of 'pretend' those struggles of the civil rights era never happened. I know the phrase 'wrong side of history' is over-bandied and can irritate, but it really does apply here.
maybe the tide of history is turning...maybe women have decided they have had enough of the sexual revolution
Dunno if you are a Russian bot, but this seems to me entirely plausible. Women can be much more socially conservative than men, see female genital mutilation, which is often preserved by the opinions of women (men tend not to care, or be anti)
The same process is known to defending rape lawyers, who will always try to pack a jury with women, as they are more judgemental (“the slut was drunk and asking for it”)
Women under 45 are more strongly pro-Choice than men under 45. Above 60, it's the other way around.
it will be women who rollback the sexual revolution when they decide they are no longer benefitting from it...maybe they are sick of rough casual sex and men who wont commit or even working in large corporations for 60 hours per week to afford a house...at that point the whole sexual revolution collapses
You do know that they aren't obliged to have rough casual sex? Women aren't forced to swipe left on Tinder.
you have the classic "goldman sachs" type view of seeing us as a society of atomised indviduals...have you never heard of social pressure....that "goldman sachs" type view of people as atomised individuals has done tremendous harm
While the "micktrain" worldview of seeking to control the behaviour of consenting adults has been utterly without problems, right?
happy medium mate happy medium....society doesnt have to be saudi arabia nor the present day uk...there is a balance between outright sexual decadence and sexual repression
Are we talking about sexual decadence though?
Banning abortion means that females in normal relationships who have an accident or are naive and who do not want a baby - plus the male concerned who doesn't not want a baby either - are barred by state dictate from exercising choice.
As someone who's lived in the UK for over 20 years, it's depressing to think I've missed out on all the sexual decadence going on around me. If we're living in the equivalent of the late Roman empire, please show me the way to all that rough sex. I'm ready to be brutalized.
More seriously, it's amazing how ambivalent people can be about abortion until faced with financially supporting an unwanted kid. Than they're pro-choice all the way.
the significance of today is it is the first major setback to the sexual revolution since it started in the 1960s with easily available contraception. Historians may lookback on today as the day when the sexual revolution started to go into reverse
The heyday of the sexual revolution for straight people (and men and women who liked to experiment with being bi) was in the 70s. Then came herpes, AIDS, Reagan, everybody getting older than dirt, etc. etc.
I was in grade school in 1977, so I missed out on that as well.
no i think the heyday was in the 90s pre the obsession with rape culture and post the section 28 1980s. I think sexual activity has actually been falling off the last 10 years as many studies show many young men not having sex over the past year. So the sexual revolution has in reality probably been reversing for a while....expect laws and legislation to follow...
I think calling the end of the sexual revolution based on your barren periods is a statistics fail - micktrain has not had sex for ages because he bores women about the end of the sexual revolution therefore 100% of men are not having sex - it’s a sample of 1.
Everyone else on here is just passing time as we wait for our partners to recover from the joy we have just given them, mate.
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
The American belief that it's OK not to list the price you're expected to pay - whether that's on a restaurant menu or on the shelf ticket in a supermarket - doesn't seem to make sense to the rest of the world, it's true.
Not OK in vast majority of restaurants (exceptions being hoity-toity) and about 99.46% of supermarkets in USA.
Where are you getting your American groceries from?
Ought to report them to appropriate state Attorney General's office for consumer fraud.
Since you are defending the American habit of leaving extra money - which actually originates from the abolition of slavery, but that’s another story - if you drive your car into a hand valet car wash place in Jersey City, leave the car and keys with a guy who takes it through the automatic car wash while you go to pay the cashier at the desk (about €12 as I recall); when the car emerges from the car wash a group of about five guys give the car a thorough valet inside, hoovering and the rest, when they return the key, are you expected to tip?
As I neither own a car nor live in Jersey City, don't have a clue.
And agree with others on here, that a living wage beats a tip every day.
And would appear from link below, that your contention that tipping "actually originates from the abolition of slavery" may NOT hold water:
Obviously the concept of tipping didn't originate from then - but there are many respectable academics who argue that the particularly American habit of underpaying servers and leaving customers to make up a decent wage dates back to the abolition of slavery. Indeed this contention and some links supporting it are in the article that you linked above - I guess you didn't read it? In addition to those links, the hugely respected US cultural historian Carl Degler made this point in his seminal work on American cultural history.
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
Screw you people on a budget trying to pay what you are asked only!
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
Nadine Dorries and the other collaborators in the UK culture war can feck right off.
It’s a two way war, pal
Republicans v women.
pal.
It’s not outrageous to believe that all human life begins at conception, and must therefore be protected as much as a baby
I don’t agree but I respect that sincere belief honestly held by many in the USA
Trouble is SOME right wingers have hijacked this cause as a way to monster the Left, as they believe the Left is bent on destroying the America they know
It’s a war. Pal.
Enough of this chippy 'pal' thing. It's a cringer.
On the 'respect' front, for me it depends. People who believe abortion is morally wrong and (if a woman) would never contemplate it - I respect that. But people (esp men) who seek to impose that view by law on everyone else and in the process roll back the emancipation of women by 50 years - I don't respect that. I have contempt for it tbh.
It's a subset of the right isn't it - the deeply religious conservative ones. Very niche over here thankfully. Plenty of them are women.
A subset wielding disproportionate power atm for various reasons. Personally I think this is so gross that it won't hold. Can't say how exactly it will collapse but I'm pretty sure it will. You can't do this to women in 2022. You can't just sort of 'pretend' those struggles of the civil rights era never happened. I know the phrase 'wrong side of history' is over-bandied and can irritate, but it really does apply here.
maybe the tide of history is turning...maybe women have decided they have had enough of the sexual revolution
Dunno if you are a Russian bot, but this seems to me entirely plausible. Women can be much more socially conservative than men, see female genital mutilation, which is often preserved by the opinions of women (men tend not to care, or be anti)
The same process is known to defending rape lawyers, who will always try to pack a jury with women, as they are more judgemental (“the slut was drunk and asking for it”)
Women under 45 are more strongly pro-Choice than men under 45. Above 60, it's the other way around.
it will be women who rollback the sexual revolution when they decide they are no longer benefitting from it...maybe they are sick of rough casual sex and men who wont commit or even working in large corporations for 60 hours per week to afford a house...at that point the whole sexual revolution collapses
You do know that they aren't obliged to have rough casual sex? Women aren't forced to swipe left on Tinder.
you have the classic "goldman sachs" type view of seeing us as a society of atomised indviduals...have you never heard of social pressure....that "goldman sachs" type view of people as atomised individuals has done tremendous harm
While the "micktrain" worldview of seeking to control the behaviour of consenting adults has been utterly without problems, right?
happy medium mate happy medium....society doesnt have to be saudi arabia nor the present day uk...there is a balance between outright sexual decadence and sexual repression
Are we talking about sexual decadence though?
Banning abortion means that females in normal relationships who have an accident or are naive and who do not want a baby - plus the male concerned who doesn't not want a baby either - are barred by state dictate from exercising choice.
As someone who's lived in the UK for over 20 years, it's depressing to think I've missed out on all the sexual decadence going on around me. If we're living in the equivalent of the late Roman empire, please show me the way to all that rough sex. I'm ready to be brutalized.
More seriously, it's amazing how ambivalent people can be about abortion until faced with financially supporting an unwanted kid. Than they're pro-choice all the way.
the significance of today is it is the first major setback to the sexual revolution since it started in the 1960s with easily available contraception. Historians may lookback on today as the day when the sexual revolution started to go into reverse
The heyday of the sexual revolution for straight people (and men and women who liked to experiment with being bi) was in the 70s. Then came herpes, AIDS, Reagan, everybody getting older than dirt, etc. etc.
I was in grade school in 1977, so I missed out on that as well.
I remmeber the feeling of growing up a teenager in the early 70s. That sense of having missed the bus was palpable.
I think by 2050 we will look back on the late 20th century and not believe the level of sexual freedom there was in the same way medieval peasants looked back on the roman orgies
That may be true, but will the looking back be done with horror and disgust, or with longing and anger at the cultists who cut freedom back?
The years before the English Civil War were uncannily like this
The King does some provocative thing
Parliament reacts by being even more provocative
The King returns fire with something outrageous
Parliament is unfazed and does something REALLY outrageous
The King goes crazy
Parliament howls at the moon
And thus in a few short years England fell from normal, fairly calm Christian European country to brutal civil war, tens of thousands dead, and a king with his head in a basket
At each stage English people must have thought: Well this is bonkers, but surely it stops now. It did not
"Well then you need to talk to "all the members of the Cavalier Party" who apparently want to Restore the Stuarts, and who are quietly working towards that.
"This is my point. I entirely accept that you and others are *reconciled* to the Republic/Commonwealth, but many people are not, especially politically active people in the Cavaliers and the Covenanters. They want to Restore, passionately, and they have not given up - not at all
"Until THEY are reconciled, this problem will bedevil us. I cannot see an easy solution, because this is a question of faith."
Nadine Dorries and the other collaborators in the UK culture war can feck right off.
It’s a two way war, pal
Republicans v women.
pal.
It’s not outrageous to believe that all human life begins at conception, and must therefore be protected as much as a baby
I don’t agree but I respect that sincere belief honestly held by many in the USA
Trouble is SOME right wingers have hijacked this cause as a way to monster the Left, as they believe the Left is bent on destroying the America they know
It’s a war. Pal.
Enough of this chippy 'pal' thing. It's a cringer.
On the 'respect' front, for me it depends. People who believe abortion is morally wrong and (if a woman) would never contemplate it - I respect that. But people (esp men) who seek to impose that view by law on everyone else and in the process roll back the emancipation of women by 50 years - I don't respect that. I have contempt for it tbh.
It's a subset of the right isn't it - the deeply religious conservative ones. Very niche over here thankfully. Plenty of them are women.
A subset wielding disproportionate power atm for various reasons. Personally I think this is so gross that it won't hold. Can't say how exactly it will collapse but I'm pretty sure it will. You can't do this to women in 2022. You can't just sort of 'pretend' those struggles of the civil rights era never happened. I know the phrase 'wrong side of history' is over-bandied and can irritate, but it really does apply here.
maybe the tide of history is turning...maybe women have decided they have had enough of the sexual revolution
Dunno if you are a Russian bot, but this seems to me entirely plausible. Women can be much more socially conservative than men, see female genital mutilation, which is often preserved by the opinions of women (men tend not to care, or be anti)
The same process is known to defending rape lawyers, who will always try to pack a jury with women, as they are more judgemental (“the slut was drunk and asking for it”)
Women under 45 are more strongly pro-Choice than men under 45. Above 60, it's the other way around.
it will be women who rollback the sexual revolution when they decide they are no longer benefitting from it...maybe they are sick of rough casual sex and men who wont commit or even working in large corporations for 60 hours per week to afford a house...at that point the whole sexual revolution collapses
You do know that they aren't obliged to have rough casual sex? Women aren't forced to swipe left on Tinder.
you have the classic "goldman sachs" type view of seeing us as a society of atomised indviduals...have you never heard of social pressure....that "goldman sachs" type view of people as atomised individuals has done tremendous harm
While the "micktrain" worldview of seeking to control the behaviour of consenting adults has been utterly without problems, right?
happy medium mate happy medium....society doesnt have to be saudi arabia nor the present day uk...there is a balance between outright sexual decadence and sexual repression
Are we talking about sexual decadence though?
Banning abortion means that females in normal relationships who have an accident or are naive and who do not want a baby - plus the male concerned who doesn't not want a baby either - are barred by state dictate from exercising choice.
As someone who's lived in the UK for over 20 years, it's depressing to think I've missed out on all the sexual decadence going on around me. If we're living in the equivalent of the late Roman empire, please show me the way to all that rough sex. I'm ready to be brutalized.
More seriously, it's amazing how ambivalent people can be about abortion until faced with financially supporting an unwanted kid. Than they're pro-choice all the way.
I am fairly anti-abortion, but I do believe in freedom, and have no desire to impose my beliefs on others. As such I support individual women's right to choose.
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
The American belief that it's OK not to list the price you're expected to pay - whether that's on a restaurant menu or on the shelf ticket in a supermarket - doesn't seem to make sense to the rest of the world, it's true.
Not OK in vast majority of restaurants (exceptions being hoity-toity) and about 99.46% of supermarkets in USA.
Where are you getting your American groceries from?
Ought to report them to appropriate state Attorney General's office for consumer fraud.
Since you are defending the American habit of leaving extra money - which actually originates from the abolition of slavery, but that’s another story - if you drive your car into a hand valet car wash place in Jersey City, leave the car and keys with a guy who takes it through the automatic car wash while you go to pay the cashier at the desk (about €12 as I recall); when the car emerges from the car wash a group of about five guys give the car a thorough valet inside, hoovering and the rest, when they return the key, are you expected to tip?
As I neither own a car nor live in Jersey City, don't have a clue.
And agree with others on here, that a living wage beats a tip every day.
And would appear from link below, that your contention that tipping "actually originates from the abolition of slavery" may NOT hold water:
Obviously the concept of tipping didn't originate from then - but there are many respectable academics who argue that the particularly American habit of underpaying servers and leaving customers to make up a decent wage dates back to the abolition of slavery. Indeed this contention and some links supporting it are in the article that you linked above - I guess you didn't read it?
In the last few years I’ve read many histories and accounts of American slavery - to coincide with trips there
Most historians seem to agree that the “unusual” levels of tipping expected in the USA - globally unique - stem from underpayment of freed slaves. It would explain why the USA in particular is anomalous
Nadine Dorries and the other collaborators in the UK culture war can feck right off.
It’s a two way war, pal
Republicans v women.
pal.
It’s not outrageous to believe that all human life begins at conception, and must therefore be protected as much as a baby
I don’t agree but I respect that sincere belief honestly held by many in the USA
Trouble is SOME right wingers have hijacked this cause as a way to monster the Left, as they believe the Left is bent on destroying the America they know
It’s a war. Pal.
Enough of this chippy 'pal' thing. It's a cringer.
On the 'respect' front, for me it depends. People who believe abortion is morally wrong and (if a woman) would never contemplate it - I respect that. But people (esp men) who seek to impose that view by law on everyone else and in the process roll back the emancipation of women by 50 years - I don't respect that. I have contempt for it tbh.
It's a subset of the right isn't it - the deeply religious conservative ones. Very niche over here thankfully. Plenty of them are women.
A subset wielding disproportionate power atm for various reasons. Personally I think this is so gross that it won't hold. Can't say how exactly it will collapse but I'm pretty sure it will. You can't do this to women in 2022. You can't just sort of 'pretend' those struggles of the civil rights era never happened. I know the phrase 'wrong side of history' is over-bandied and can irritate, but it really does apply here.
maybe the tide of history is turning...maybe women have decided they have had enough of the sexual revolution
Dunno if you are a Russian bot, but this seems to me entirely plausible. Women can be much more socially conservative than men, see female genital mutilation, which is often preserved by the opinions of women (men tend not to care, or be anti)
The same process is known to defending rape lawyers, who will always try to pack a jury with women, as they are more judgemental (“the slut was drunk and asking for it”)
Women under 45 are more strongly pro-Choice than men under 45. Above 60, it's the other way around.
it will be women who rollback the sexual revolution when they decide they are no longer benefitting from it...maybe they are sick of rough casual sex and men who wont commit or even working in large corporations for 60 hours per week to afford a house...at that point the whole sexual revolution collapses
You do know that they aren't obliged to have rough casual sex? Women aren't forced to swipe left on Tinder.
you have the classic "goldman sachs" type view of seeing us as a society of atomised indviduals...have you never heard of social pressure....that "goldman sachs" type view of people as atomised individuals has done tremendous harm
While the "micktrain" worldview of seeking to control the behaviour of consenting adults has been utterly without problems, right?
happy medium mate happy medium....society doesnt have to be saudi arabia nor the present day uk...there is a balance between outright sexual decadence and sexual repression
Are we talking about sexual decadence though?
Banning abortion means that females in normal relationships who have an accident or are naive and who do not want a baby - plus the male concerned who doesn't not want a baby either - are barred by state dictate from exercising choice.
As someone who's lived in the UK for over 20 years, it's depressing to think I've missed out on all the sexual decadence going on around me. If we're living in the equivalent of the late Roman empire, please show me the way to all that rough sex. I'm ready to be brutalized.
More seriously, it's amazing how ambivalent people can be about abortion until faced with financially supporting an unwanted kid. Than they're pro-choice all the way.
the significance of today is it is the first major setback to the sexual revolution since it started in the 1960s with easily available contraception. Historians may lookback on today as the day when the sexual revolution started to go into reverse
The heyday of the sexual revolution for straight people (and men and women who liked to experiment with being bi) was in the 70s. Then came herpes, AIDS, Reagan, everybody getting older than dirt, etc. etc.
I was in grade school in 1977, so I missed out on that as well.
no i think the heyday was in the 90s pre the obsession with rape culture and post the section 28 1980s. I think sexual activity has actually been falling off the last 10 years as many studies show many young men not having sex over the past year. So the sexual revolution has in reality probably been reversing for a while....expect laws and legislation to follow...
I think calling the end of the sexual revolution based on your barren periods is a statistics fail - micktrain has not had sex for ages because he bores women about the end of the sexual revolution therefore 100% of men are not having sex - it’s a sample of 1.
Everyone else on here is just passing time as we wait for our partners to recover from the joy we have just given them, mate.
was that the quick one minute in and out mate or do you have a better technique
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
Most of the nation's wealth is stored in property. Find a way to cream some more of that off, and you've got your answer.
Nadine Dorries and the other collaborators in the UK culture war can feck right off.
It’s a two way war, pal
Republicans v women.
pal.
It’s not outrageous to believe that all human life begins at conception, and must therefore be protected as much as a baby
I don’t agree but I respect that sincere belief honestly held by many in the USA
Trouble is SOME right wingers have hijacked this cause as a way to monster the Left, as they believe the Left is bent on destroying the America they know
It’s a war. Pal.
Enough of this chippy 'pal' thing. It's a cringer.
On the 'respect' front, for me it depends. People who believe abortion is morally wrong and (if a woman) would never contemplate it - I respect that. But people (esp men) who seek to impose that view by law on everyone else and in the process roll back the emancipation of women by 50 years - I don't respect that. I have contempt for it tbh.
It's a subset of the right isn't it - the deeply religious conservative ones. Very niche over here thankfully. Plenty of them are women.
A subset wielding disproportionate power atm for various reasons. Personally I think this is so gross that it won't hold. Can't say how exactly it will collapse but I'm pretty sure it will. You can't do this to women in 2022. You can't just sort of 'pretend' those struggles of the civil rights era never happened. I know the phrase 'wrong side of history' is over-bandied and can irritate, but it really does apply here.
maybe the tide of history is turning...maybe women have decided they have had enough of the sexual revolution
Dunno if you are a Russian bot, but this seems to me entirely plausible. Women can be much more socially conservative than men, see female genital mutilation, which is often preserved by the opinions of women (men tend not to care, or be anti)
The same process is known to defending rape lawyers, who will always try to pack a jury with women, as they are more judgemental (“the slut was drunk and asking for it”)
Women under 45 are more strongly pro-Choice than men under 45. Above 60, it's the other way around.
it will be women who rollback the sexual revolution when they decide they are no longer benefitting from it...maybe they are sick of rough casual sex and men who wont commit or even working in large corporations for 60 hours per week to afford a house...at that point the whole sexual revolution collapses
You do know that they aren't obliged to have rough casual sex? Women aren't forced to swipe left on Tinder.
you have the classic "goldman sachs" type view of seeing us as a society of atomised indviduals...have you never heard of social pressure....that "goldman sachs" type view of people as atomised individuals has done tremendous harm
While the "micktrain" worldview of seeking to control the behaviour of consenting adults has been utterly without problems, right?
happy medium mate happy medium....society doesnt have to be saudi arabia nor the present day uk...there is a balance between outright sexual decadence and sexual repression
Are we talking about sexual decadence though?
Banning abortion means that females in normal relationships who have an accident or are naive and who do not want a baby - plus the male concerned who doesn't not want a baby either - are barred by state dictate from exercising choice.
As someone who's lived in the UK for over 20 years, it's depressing to think I've missed out on all the sexual decadence going on around me. If we're living in the equivalent of the late Roman empire, please show me the way to all that rough sex. I'm ready to be brutalized.
More seriously, it's amazing how ambivalent people can be about abortion until faced with financially supporting an unwanted kid. Than they're pro-choice all the way.
the significance of today is it is the first major setback to the sexual revolution since it started in the 1960s with easily available contraception. Historians may lookback on today as the day when the sexual revolution started to go into reverse
The heyday of the sexual revolution for straight people (and men and women who liked to experiment with being bi) was in the 70s. Then came herpes, AIDS, Reagan, everybody getting older than dirt, etc. etc.
I was in grade school in 1977, so I missed out on that as well.
I remmeber the feeling of growing up a teenager in the early 70s. That sense of having missed the bus was palpable.
I think by 2050 we will look back on the late 20th century and not believe the level of sexual freedom there was in the same way medieval peasants looked back on the roman orgies
The mediaeval peasants had a classical education? Huge if true.
Based on our research, the claim that tipping became popularized by restaurant owners who didn't want to pay Black workers after the passage of the 15th Amendment is generally TRUE, though more context is helpful.”
Nadine Dorries and the other collaborators in the UK culture war can feck right off.
It’s a two way war, pal
Republicans v women.
pal.
It’s not outrageous to believe that all human life begins at conception, and must therefore be protected as much as a baby
I don’t agree but I respect that sincere belief honestly held by many in the USA
Trouble is SOME right wingers have hijacked this cause as a way to monster the Left, as they believe the Left is bent on destroying the America they know
It’s a war. Pal.
Enough of this chippy 'pal' thing. It's a cringer.
On the 'respect' front, for me it depends. People who believe abortion is morally wrong and (if a woman) would never contemplate it - I respect that. But people (esp men) who seek to impose that view by law on everyone else and in the process roll back the emancipation of women by 50 years - I don't respect that. I have contempt for it tbh.
It's a subset of the right isn't it - the deeply religious conservative ones. Very niche over here thankfully. Plenty of them are women.
A subset wielding disproportionate power atm for various reasons. Personally I think this is so gross that it won't hold. Can't say how exactly it will collapse but I'm pretty sure it will. You can't do this to women in 2022. You can't just sort of 'pretend' those struggles of the civil rights era never happened. I know the phrase 'wrong side of history' is over-bandied and can irritate, but it really does apply here.
maybe the tide of history is turning...maybe women have decided they have had enough of the sexual revolution
Dunno if you are a Russian bot, but this seems to me entirely plausible. Women can be much more socially conservative than men, see female genital mutilation, which is often preserved by the opinions of women (men tend not to care, or be anti)
The same process is known to defending rape lawyers, who will always try to pack a jury with women, as they are more judgemental (“the slut was drunk and asking for it”)
Women under 45 are more strongly pro-Choice than men under 45. Above 60, it's the other way around.
it will be women who rollback the sexual revolution when they decide they are no longer benefitting from it...maybe they are sick of rough casual sex and men who wont commit or even working in large corporations for 60 hours per week to afford a house...at that point the whole sexual revolution collapses
You do know that they aren't obliged to have rough casual sex? Women aren't forced to swipe left on Tinder.
you have the classic "goldman sachs" type view of seeing us as a society of atomised indviduals...have you never heard of social pressure....that "goldman sachs" type view of people as atomised individuals has done tremendous harm
While the "micktrain" worldview of seeking to control the behaviour of consenting adults has been utterly without problems, right?
happy medium mate happy medium....society doesnt have to be saudi arabia nor the present day uk...there is a balance between outright sexual decadence and sexual repression
Are we talking about sexual decadence though?
Banning abortion means that females in normal relationships who have an accident or are naive and who do not want a baby - plus the male concerned who doesn't not want a baby either - are barred by state dictate from exercising choice.
As someone who's lived in the UK for over 20 years, it's depressing to think I've missed out on all the sexual decadence going on around me. If we're living in the equivalent of the late Roman empire, please show me the way to all that rough sex. I'm ready to be brutalized.
More seriously, it's amazing how ambivalent people can be about abortion until faced with financially supporting an unwanted kid. Than they're pro-choice all the way.
the significance of today is it is the first major setback to the sexual revolution since it started in the 1960s with easily available contraception. Historians may lookback on today as the day when the sexual revolution started to go into reverse
The heyday of the sexual revolution for straight people (and men and women who liked to experiment with being bi) was in the 70s. Then came herpes, AIDS, Reagan, everybody getting older than dirt, etc. etc.
I was in grade school in 1977, so I missed out on that as well.
no i think the heyday was in the 90s pre the obsession with rape culture and post the section 28 1980s. I think sexual activity has actually been falling off the last 10 years as many studies show many young men not having sex over the past year. So the sexual revolution has in reality probably been reversing for a while....expect laws and legislation to follow...
I think calling the end of the sexual revolution based on your barren periods is a statistics fail - micktrain has not had sex for ages because he bores women about the end of the sexual revolution therefore 100% of men are not having sex - it’s a sample of 1.
Everyone else on here is just passing time as we wait for our partners to recover from the joy we have just given them, mate.
was that the quick one minute in and out mate or do you have a better technique
I’d ask your mum, your sister and your dad - they all ask for different things.
Nadine Dorries and the other collaborators in the UK culture war can feck right off.
It’s a two way war, pal
Republicans v women.
pal.
It’s not outrageous to believe that all human life begins at conception, and must therefore be protected as much as a baby
I don’t agree but I respect that sincere belief honestly held by many in the USA
Trouble is SOME right wingers have hijacked this cause as a way to monster the Left, as they believe the Left is bent on destroying the America they know
It’s a war. Pal.
Enough of this chippy 'pal' thing. It's a cringer.
On the 'respect' front, for me it depends. People who believe abortion is morally wrong and (if a woman) would never contemplate it - I respect that. But people (esp men) who seek to impose that view by law on everyone else and in the process roll back the emancipation of women by 50 years - I don't respect that. I have contempt for it tbh.
It's a subset of the right isn't it - the deeply religious conservative ones. Very niche over here thankfully. Plenty of them are women.
A subset wielding disproportionate power atm for various reasons. Personally I think this is so gross that it won't hold. Can't say how exactly it will collapse but I'm pretty sure it will. You can't do this to women in 2022. You can't just sort of 'pretend' those struggles of the civil rights era never happened. I know the phrase 'wrong side of history' is over-bandied and can irritate, but it really does apply here.
maybe the tide of history is turning...maybe women have decided they have had enough of the sexual revolution
Dunno if you are a Russian bot, but this seems to me entirely plausible. Women can be much more socially conservative than men, see female genital mutilation, which is often preserved by the opinions of women (men tend not to care, or be anti)
The same process is known to defending rape lawyers, who will always try to pack a jury with women, as they are more judgemental (“the slut was drunk and asking for it”)
Women under 45 are more strongly pro-Choice than men under 45. Above 60, it's the other way around.
it will be women who rollback the sexual revolution when they decide they are no longer benefitting from it...maybe they are sick of rough casual sex and men who wont commit or even working in large corporations for 60 hours per week to afford a house...at that point the whole sexual revolution collapses
You do know that they aren't obliged to have rough casual sex? Women aren't forced to swipe left on Tinder.
you have the classic "goldman sachs" type view of seeing us as a society of atomised indviduals...have you never heard of social pressure....that "goldman sachs" type view of people as atomised individuals has done tremendous harm
While the "micktrain" worldview of seeking to control the behaviour of consenting adults has been utterly without problems, right?
happy medium mate happy medium....society doesnt have to be saudi arabia nor the present day uk...there is a balance between outright sexual decadence and sexual repression
Are we talking about sexual decadence though?
Banning abortion means that females in normal relationships who have an accident or are naive and who do not want a baby - plus the male concerned who doesn't not want a baby either - are barred by state dictate from exercising choice.
As someone who's lived in the UK for over 20 years, it's depressing to think I've missed out on all the sexual decadence going on around me. If we're living in the equivalent of the late Roman empire, please show me the way to all that rough sex. I'm ready to be brutalized.
More seriously, it's amazing how ambivalent people can be about abortion until faced with financially supporting an unwanted kid. Than they're pro-choice all the way.
I am fairly anti-abortion, but I do believe in freedom, and have no desire to impose my beliefs on others. As such I support individual women's right to choose.
"Safe, legal and rare."
Agree that, and everything else sane follows.
Is it even possible to achieve the triumvirate?
One thing that could cut back on abortions is sex education in school, and free and easy access to effective contraception. That doesn't appear to be the US approach though.
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
"Anti-abortion activists are already looking to a new goal: making abortion not just illegal, but “unthinkable.” “The truth is that the issue of abortion goes beyond politics and law,” Lila Rose, founder of Live Action, said. “We must persevere until abortion becomes unthinkable everywhere.” "
NY Times
This was exactly the same kind of thinking that ended up throttling national prohibition versus alcohol in USA.
Prohibition movement had made great strides up in America just prior to WWI, with local prohibition in most states & localities where it was the majority view.
It was passage of 18th amendment that imposed strict prohibition regime on the rest of the US, that lead in just over a decade to repeal of national prohibition via the 21st amendment.
Which BTW was NOT enacted in usual manner, that is by 2/3 vote of both houses of Congress followed by ratification by supermajority of state legislatures. But rather via state conventions, thus bypassing many of the political pitfalls to repeal. Which of course would NOT have been possible without widespread public support across (most of) the nation.
Based on our research, the claim that tipping became popularized by restaurant owners who didn't want to pay Black workers after the passage of the 15th Amendment is generally TRUE, though more context is helpful.”
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
No, its a problem for those that find purchasing another humans servility and special attentions in place of a decent wage to be grossly offensive
Then suggest the following approach:
"As I find tipping to be a offense against equality and your human dignity, instead of offending you by offering you a servile gratuity, instead I shall write an sharp letter to your boss AND my MP demanding a fair living wage for you and yours. And please - no need to thank me!"
Do you NOT tip at all? Or just grit you teeth while doing it?
Do see your point, just cannot go with it whole hog, or even half-hog.
I used to be a tooth gritter, now i try and avoid it completely. I rarely eat out though and i've never tipped non hospitality gritted or otherwise. I usually put something in the charity collection tin instead if there is one.
Pay a decent wage, the staff are there to process the order and port the plate to my table, thats not something that requires a special payment for how servilely they perform the function, its a grotesque and unecessary ritual, tipping. She's my sister and he's my brother and i am not their master. I dont enjoy the whole performance art of restaurants anyway in particular. Its a bit of supper.
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
A little unfair on @SeaShantyIrish2 whoi is a dude, and highly sensitive, and deeply inquisitive - and often informative - on other cultures. See his insights into Montenegro today
Nadine Dorries and the other collaborators in the UK culture war can feck right off.
It’s a two way war, pal
Republicans v women.
pal.
It’s not outrageous to believe that all human life begins at conception, and must therefore be protected as much as a baby
I don’t agree but I respect that sincere belief honestly held by many in the USA
Trouble is SOME right wingers have hijacked this cause as a way to monster the Left, as they believe the Left is bent on destroying the America they know
It’s a war. Pal.
Enough of this chippy 'pal' thing. It's a cringer.
On the 'respect' front, for me it depends. People who believe abortion is morally wrong and (if a woman) would never contemplate it - I respect that. But people (esp men) who seek to impose that view by law on everyone else and in the process roll back the emancipation of women by 50 years - I don't respect that. I have contempt for it tbh.
It's a subset of the right isn't it - the deeply religious conservative ones. Very niche over here thankfully. Plenty of them are women.
A subset wielding disproportionate power atm for various reasons. Personally I think this is so gross that it won't hold. Can't say how exactly it will collapse but I'm pretty sure it will. You can't do this to women in 2022. You can't just sort of 'pretend' those struggles of the civil rights era never happened. I know the phrase 'wrong side of history' is over-bandied and can irritate, but it really does apply here.
maybe the tide of history is turning...maybe women have decided they have had enough of the sexual revolution
Dunno if you are a Russian bot, but this seems to me entirely plausible. Women can be much more socially conservative than men, see female genital mutilation, which is often preserved by the opinions of women (men tend not to care, or be anti)
The same process is known to defending rape lawyers, who will always try to pack a jury with women, as they are more judgemental (“the slut was drunk and asking for it”)
Women under 45 are more strongly pro-Choice than men under 45. Above 60, it's the other way around.
it will be women who rollback the sexual revolution when they decide they are no longer benefitting from it...maybe they are sick of rough casual sex and men who wont commit or even working in large corporations for 60 hours per week to afford a house...at that point the whole sexual revolution collapses
You do know that they aren't obliged to have rough casual sex? Women aren't forced to swipe left on Tinder.
you have the classic "goldman sachs" type view of seeing us as a society of atomised indviduals...have you never heard of social pressure....that "goldman sachs" type view of people as atomised individuals has done tremendous harm
While the "micktrain" worldview of seeking to control the behaviour of consenting adults has been utterly without problems, right?
happy medium mate happy medium....society doesnt have to be saudi arabia nor the present day uk...there is a balance between outright sexual decadence and sexual repression
Are we talking about sexual decadence though?
Banning abortion means that females in normal relationships who have an accident or are naive and who do not want a baby - plus the male concerned who doesn't not want a baby either - are barred by state dictate from exercising choice.
As someone who's lived in the UK for over 20 years, it's depressing to think I've missed out on all the sexual decadence going on around me. If we're living in the equivalent of the late Roman empire, please show me the way to all that rough sex. I'm ready to be brutalized.
More seriously, it's amazing how ambivalent people can be about abortion until faced with financially supporting an unwanted kid. Than they're pro-choice all the way.
the significance of today is it is the first major setback to the sexual revolution since it started in the 1960s with easily available contraception. Historians may lookback on today as the day when the sexual revolution started to go into reverse
The heyday of the sexual revolution for straight people (and men and women who liked to experiment with being bi) was in the 70s. Then came herpes, AIDS, Reagan, everybody getting older than dirt, etc. etc.
I was in grade school in 1977, so I missed out on that as well.
no i think the heyday was in the 90s pre the obsession with rape culture and post the section 28 1980s. I think sexual activity has actually been falling off the last 10 years as many studies show many young men not having sex over the past year. So the sexual revolution has in reality probably been reversing for a while....expect laws and legislation to follow...
I think calling the end of the sexual revolution based on your barren periods is a statistics fail - micktrain has not had sex for ages because he bores women about the end of the sexual revolution therefore 100% of men are not having sex - it’s a sample of 1.
Everyone else on here is just passing time as we wait for our partners to recover from the joy we have just given them, mate.
was that the quick one minute in and out mate or do you have a better technique
Sounds like soaking might be the solution to your combined hang-ups.
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Did they get banned in UK due to one of the TTs being gay, allegedly? The one with the triangle?
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Sadly, no pun - am hoist on my own pungent petard!
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Gardener's World has really gone downhill of late.
Based on our research, the claim that tipping became popularized by restaurant owners who didn't want to pay Black workers after the passage of the 15th Amendment is generally TRUE, though more context is helpful.”
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Did they get banned in UK due to one of the TTs being gay, allegedly? The one with the triangle?
USA, was it not? (not a dig at you - I really can't remember, but it was the US where BBC childrens' programmes used to be suspected as hippy druggie dropout propaganda).
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Beat me to it. Antiques Roadshow was my other choice.
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
Yes, we are being unfair and it probably feels like we are being hostile, too
I fear it is just an unfortunate confluence of two things, the subject of tipping and that contentious SCOTUS ruling today
I was in the USA just last month - as you probably know - and sure I encountered societal issues - just like I do in the UK, Armenia, Greece, Sri Lanka - but the Americans I met were universally hospitable, kind, funny and generous. Some of the nicest people on earth, in a magnificent country
You just need to rewrite your Constitution a bit, and kick out all the crap/old politicians
Based on our research, the claim that tipping became popularized by restaurant owners who didn't want to pay Black workers after the passage of the 15th Amendment is generally TRUE, though more context is helpful.”
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
I’m pro Americans who vote Democrat . Anyone who voted for Trump is beneath contempt and a stain on humanity . Sorry if that sounds rather blunt but I simply can’t stomach Trump supporters , there are no exceptions IMO .
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Did they get banned in UK due to one of the TTs being gay, allegedly? The one with the triangle?
No. Not banned. But tinky winky was a friend of Dorothy, yes
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
Most of the nation's wealth is stored in property. Find a way to cream some more of that off, and you've got your answer.
That's so obviously true (just imagine if all that wealth had gone into something productive) that it's scary. But I don't really see how a government does anything about it and gets relected afterwards.
Maybe what we need is a government who know and accept that they are toast, but want to leave the stage secure in the knowledge that they've done the right thing. Who will be happy that history will look on them favourably.
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Did they get banned in UK due to one of the TTs being gay, allegedly? The one with the triangle?
USA, was it not? (not a dig at you - I really can't remember, but it was the US where BBC childrens' programmes used to be suspected as hippy druggie dropout propaganda).
Magic Roundabout innit. Dilyn the stoned rabbit and Dougal with his coke/sugar habit
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Did they get banned in UK due to one of the TTs being gay, allegedly? The one with the triangle?
No, it wasn't banned, it just tailed off. I don't think it had anything to do with TinkyWinky's proclivities.
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
Most of the nation's wealth is stored in property. Find a way to cream some more of that off, and you've got your answer.
That's so obviously true (just imagine if all that wealth had gone into something productive) that it's scary. But I don't really see how a government does anything about it and gets relected afterwards.
Maybe what we need is a government who know and accept that they are toast, but want to leave the stage secure in the knowledge that they've done the right thing. Who will be happy that history will look on them favourably.
(And then I woke up...)
that money in property is funny money and doesnt really exist, 5% interest rates and whoosh its gone...cue lots of crying from the pampered upper middle class
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
I’m pro Americans who vote Democrat . Anyone who voted for Trump is beneath contempt and a stain on humanity . Sorry if that sounds rather blunt but I simply can’t stomach Trump supporters , there are no exceptions IMO .
Was NOT referring to you FYI (also BTW).
Though I happen to know a few very nice, intelligent folks who unfortunately do support Trump. Some are salt of the earth.
Which makes me ask, what are people like me, who think as you do about 45, doing wrong to make such folks support him?
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
My Dad - and people like him - will have to pay to fix it. He's not the only baby-boomer who has retired on a generous final-salary pension and has paid off the mortgage on a 5-bedroom South London semi-detached house, while holding on to his almost worthless Eurotunnel shares because of the free ticket perks.
Merge income tax and NI so that high pensioner incomes are taxed more. Bring in the proportional property tax so that housing wealth is taxed more fairly. The country is not yet stony broke, though I'm not sure how long I will be able to say that if action isn't taken soon.
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
Yes, we are being unfair and it probably feels like we are being hostile, too
I fear it is just an unfortunate confluence of two things, the subject of tipping and that contentious SCOTUS ruling today
I was in the USA just last month - as you probably know - and sure I encountered societal issues - just like I do in the UK, Armenia, Greece, Sri Lanka - but the Americans I met were universally hospitable, kind, funny and generous. Some of the nicest people on earth, in a magnificent country
You just need to rewrite your Constitution a bit, and kick out all the crap/old politicians
Fake news. NZers are incredibly hostile to tipping. And yet that map suggests we tip a little. We don’t though, we have a cultural hatred of it.
That map is impressively accurate, to my mind
I’ve just noticed they’ve got Iceland down as another Zero Tip country, alongside Korea, Japan and Georgia
And that accords with my experience. The Icelandics do not tip and they gently look down on you if you try it
Never been to NZ so can’t say. In Australia they tolerate a bit of tipping, but it ain’t the culture. This must come from Australia’s famed egalitarianism. Everyone is a “mate”. No one is a servant
"Anti-abortion activists are already looking to a new goal: making abortion not just illegal, but “unthinkable.” “The truth is that the issue of abortion goes beyond politics and law,” Lila Rose, founder of Live Action, said. “We must persevere until abortion becomes unthinkable everywhere.” "
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
Most of the nation's wealth is stored in property. Find a way to cream some more of that off, and you've got your answer.
That's so obviously true (just imagine if all that wealth had gone into something productive) that it's scary. But I don't really see how a government does anything about it and gets relected afterwards.
Maybe what we need is a government who know and accept that they are toast, but want to leave the stage secure in the knowledge that they've done the right thing. Who will be happy that history will look on them favourably.
(And then I woke up...)
that money in property is funny money and doesnt really exist, 5% interest rates and whoosh its gone...cue lots of crying from the pampered upper middle class
More to the point, invent a way to cream it off and it has gone
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
Yes, we are being unfair and it probably feels like we are being hostile, too
I fear it is just an unfortunate confluence of two things, the subject of tipping and that contentious SCOTUS ruling today
I was in the USA just last month - as you probably know - and sure I encountered societal issues - just like I do in the UK, Armenia, Greece, Sri Lanka - but the Americans I met were universally hospitable, kind, funny and generous. Some of the nicest people on earth, in a magnificent country
You just need to rewrite your Constitution a bit, and kick out all the crap/old politicians
Personally find being dissed as crazed tippers way MORE upsetting, than be critiqued in national terms for overthrown of Roe v Wade, abuse of 2nd Amendment and other ills of American democracy.
I mean, isn't coming to USA and being pissed off because posted prices do NOT include sales tax, just as "clueless" as giving a waiter a few quid or euros or whatever when that is NOT the custom of the country?
Based on our research, the claim that tipping became popularized by restaurant owners who didn't want to pay Black workers after the passage of the 15th Amendment is generally TRUE, though more context is helpful.”
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
Hmmm...I have an instinctive desire to back the under-dog (you've defintely been outnumbered) but @SeaShantyIrish2 I think you have brought much of this on yourself tonight with comments such as "An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.". That does reveal a remarkable blindness to other cultures, especially ones that have a more ambivalent attitude to monetary wealth. The generalisation to all Americans in @IanB2's post was definitely worth calling out, though.
A few days ago as John Smith - revelling in the rape of Ukrainian women by his soldiers Today as micktrain - revelling in poor rape victims being forced to not only bring their rape baby to term but being told its "God's will"
When I saw the results at 8 this morning I didn't have the sex and drug habits of children's TV characters, nor tipping in my straight forecast for PB topics 12 hours later.
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
Most of the nation's wealth is stored in property. Find a way to cream some more of that off, and you've got your answer.
That's so obviously true (just imagine if all that wealth had gone into something productive) that it's scary. But I don't really see how a government does anything about it and gets relected afterwards.
Maybe what we need is a government who know and accept that they are toast, but want to leave the stage secure in the knowledge that they've done the right thing. Who will be happy that history will look on them favourably.
(And then I woke up...)
that money in property is funny money and doesnt really exist, 5% interest rates and whoosh its gone...cue lots of crying from the pampered upper middle class
More to the point, invent a way to cream it off and it has gone
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
I’m pro Americans who vote Democrat . Anyone who voted for Trump is beneath contempt and a stain on humanity . Sorry if that sounds rather blunt but I simply can’t stomach Trump supporters , there are no exceptions IMO .
Was NOT referring to you FYI (also BTW).
Though I happen to know a few very nice, intelligent folks who unfortunately do support Trump. Some are salt of the earth.
Which makes me ask, what are people like me, who think as you do about 45, doing wrong to make such folks support him?
Not trump specific but i think the moral earnestness and certainty of many on the left comes over as rather too earnest and not a little unconvincing when compared to the reality of existence and that drives an anti vote. 'Othering'
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
I’m pro Americans who vote Democrat . Anyone who voted for Trump is beneath contempt and a stain on humanity . Sorry if that sounds rather blunt but I simply can’t stomach Trump supporters , there are no exceptions IMO .
Was NOT referring to you FYI (also BTW).
Though I happen to know a few very nice, intelligent folks who unfortunately do support Trump. Some are salt of the earth.
Which makes me ask, what are people like me, who think as you do about 45, doing wrong to make such folks support him?
You know when Liberals get lectured to about trying to understand Trump supporters . And then are told you shouldn’t look down on them . It’s hard not to . And why should it be the fault of Liberals that people support Trump .
Lamont on AQ pro Johnson: leave him to get on with the job, changing the vonc rules not cricket
Which was of course originally sarcastic. Referring to the game's reputation for corruption, violence, sexual licentiousness and bribery. So kinda appropriate.
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Based on our research, the claim that tipping became popularized by restaurant owners who didn't want to pay Black workers after the passage of the 15th Amendment is generally TRUE, though more context is helpful.”
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
Yes, we are being unfair and it probably feels like we are being hostile, too
I fear it is just an unfortunate confluence of two things, the subject of tipping and that contentious SCOTUS ruling today
I was in the USA just last month - as you probably know - and sure I encountered societal issues - just like I do in the UK, Armenia, Greece, Sri Lanka - but the Americans I met were universally hospitable, kind, funny and generous. Some of the nicest people on earth, in a magnificent country
You just need to rewrite your Constitution a bit, and kick out all the crap/old politicians
Personally find being dissed as crazed tippers way MORE upsetting, than be critiqued in national terms for overthrown of Roe v Wade, abuse of 2nd Amendment and other ills of American democracy.
I mean, isn't coming to USA and being pissed off because posted prices do NOT include sales tax, just as "clueless" as giving a waiter a few quid or euros or whatever when that is NOT the custom of the country?
A fair point
On my last US trip (this April) I actually found tipping less hassle than normal, because now almost everyone has contactless machines and you can just tap in “10%” in a few seconds, job done.You don’t need to carry around loads of small notes
It would still be better if you got rid of excessive tipping altogether tho. That might happen as post-Covid makes cheap workers scarce. Once everyone has a living wage, tipping will dwindle
The other thing to remember about the Scotus judgement is that the Republican majority on the court is courtesy of appointments made by a president who lost the popular vote. The US constitutional set up is a mess. And it has been weaponised by the Republicans in order to impose their views on a country that doesn't agree with them.
He lost the popular vote but won the election, fair and square that time around. The US was never supposed to be a one person, one vote, popular vote democracy and protecting the interests of small states is a feature not a bug. As much as I dislike what they're doing with that, it is a deliberate protection against majoritarianism from the bigger states.
Also as much as I dislike today's judgement and the way its overturned precedent and repealing rights, nothing is being imposed upon states that voted the other way. They'll still be able to have legal abortions, those who are being denied their liberty is women in red states.
The electoral college, like most things that are wrong with America, has its origins in slavery. It was designed to protect the South, who were fearful that direct voting would negatively affect them owing to much of their population being slaves and thus ineligible to vote. Slaves counted as 60% of a white person in apportioning electoral college votes, as well as Congressmen.
Not just that, no. The 60% of votes is entirely rooted in slavery, but that doesn't exist anymore and hasn't since the 14th Amendment was passed.
But all states having exactly 2 senators, and that the electoral college is apportioned for congress + senators rather than congress alone is a deliberate design to strengthen the views of small (not just southern) states.
A few days ago as John Smith - revelling in the rape of Ukrainian women by his soldiers Today as micktrain - revelling in poor rape victims being forced to not only bring their rape baby to term but being told its "God's will"
neither john smith or that novicock chap was me mate...maybe you dont realise how many people in the country think completely differently to you
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Did they get banned in UK due to one of the TTs being gay, allegedly? The one with the triangle?
USA, was it not? (not a dig at you - I really can't remember, but it was the US where BBC childrens' programmes used to be suspected as hippy druggie dropout propaganda).
Jerry Falwell tried, but AFAIK he got nowhere because it was crazy.
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
Yes, we are being unfair and it probably feels like we are being hostile, too
I fear it is just an unfortunate confluence of two things, the subject of tipping and that contentious SCOTUS ruling today
I was in the USA just last month - as you probably know - and sure I encountered societal issues - just like I do in the UK, Armenia, Greece, Sri Lanka - but the Americans I met were universally hospitable, kind, funny and generous. Some of the nicest people on earth, in a magnificent country
You just need to rewrite your Constitution a bit, and kick out all the crap/old politicians
Personally find being dissed as crazed tippers way MORE upsetting, than be critiqued in national terms for overthrown of Roe v Wade, abuse of 2nd Amendment and other ills of American democracy.
I mean, isn't coming to USA and being pissed off because posted prices do NOT include sales tax, just as "clueless" as giving a waiter a few quid or euros or whatever when that is NOT the custom of the country?
Being unhappy with the way things are done somewhere else isn't the same as not being willing to go along with it.
Lamont on AQ pro Johnson: leave him to get on with the job, changing the vonc rules not cricket
Does Lamont know that the rules of cricket have changed millions of times? Therefore it is cricket.
Sorry for confusion, guys, "not cricket" was my own shorthand for what he actually said. Perhaps I should have glossed his words as "not kosher" but that would raise some whole other issues
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
Most of the nation's wealth is stored in property. Find a way to cream some more of that off, and you've got your answer.
That's so obviously true (just imagine if all that wealth had gone into something productive) that it's scary. But I don't really see how a government does anything about it and gets relected afterwards.
Maybe what we need is a government who know and accept that they are toast, but want to leave the stage secure in the knowledge that they've done the right thing. Who will be happy that history will look on them favourably.
(And then I woke up...)
that money in property is funny money and doesnt really exist, 5% interest rates and whoosh its gone...cue lots of crying from the pampered upper middle class
More to the point, invent a way to cream it off and it has gone
No, housing is - in theory - an ideal target for heavy taxation. Residential property is in high demand, in finite supply, and is an essential need - and it would continue to be so if inheritance taxes were ramped right up and land value taxes imposed.
In practice you might struggle to calibrate it correctly so that it raises enough revenue to be transformative, whilst making a low enough proportion of voters scream in outraged agony that they can be safely ignored by a Government wishing to be re-elected. More research needed.
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
Yes, we are being unfair and it probably feels like we are being hostile, too
I fear it is just an unfortunate confluence of two things, the subject of tipping and that contentious SCOTUS ruling today
I was in the USA just last month - as you probably know - and sure I encountered societal issues - just like I do in the UK, Armenia, Greece, Sri Lanka - but the Americans I met were universally hospitable, kind, funny and generous. Some of the nicest people on earth, in a magnificent country
You just need to rewrite your Constitution a bit, and kick out all the crap/old politicians
Personally find being dissed as crazed tippers way MORE upsetting, than be critiqued in national terms for overthrown of Roe v Wade, abuse of 2nd Amendment and other ills of American democracy.
I mean, isn't coming to USA and being pissed off because posted prices do NOT include sales tax, just as "clueless" as giving a waiter a few quid or euros or whatever when that is NOT the custom of the country?
A fair point
On my last US trip (this April) I actually found tipping less hassle than normal, because now almost everyone has contactless machines and you can just tap in “10%” in a few seconds, job done.You don’t need to carry around loads of small notes
It would still be better if you got rid of excessive tipping altogether tho. That might happen as post-Covid makes cheap workers scarce. Once everyone has a living wage, tipping will dwindle
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Did they get banned in UK due to one of the TTs being gay, allegedly? The one with the triangle?
USA, was it not? (not a dig at you - I really can't remember, but it was the US where BBC childrens' programmes used to be suspected as hippy druggie dropout propaganda).
Yes, back in the late '90s when rightwingers (Christian or pagan) were fixated on homophobia for fun & (electoral) profit.
A schtick that they (unlike our newest quasi-PBer) have pretty much abandoned, having transferred their ire (and targeting) on anti-trans and related woke-phobia.
Based on our research, the claim that tipping became popularized by restaurant owners who didn't want to pay Black workers after the passage of the 15th Amendment is generally TRUE, though more context is helpful.”
The whole tipping argument from the PB well-travelled shrewdies is absurd. First one is not meant to tip them because they'd be grossly offended, then one is not meant to tip them because they'd like it *too* much and start getting ideas.
Lamont on AQ pro Johnson: leave him to get on with the job, changing the vonc rules not cricket
Does Lamont know that the rules of cricket have changed millions of times? Therefore it is cricket.
Sorry for confusion, guys, "not cricket" was my own shorthand for what he actually said. Perhaps I should have glossed his words as "not kosher" but that would raise some whole other issues
To be fair I didn’t even know which Lamont you were referring to - was picturing an absolute arsehole at school and thinking “yes, he would say that, the bullying obnoxious twat”.
What I find ridiculous is when people feel the need to calculate a precise percentage of the bill and leave exactly that, rather than just rounding up to a convenient number.
Meanwhile, for fans of QVC, there is an hour of L'Occitane on the beauty channel at 11. Always worth a watch...
The whole tipping argument from the PB well-travelled shrewdies is absurd. First one is not meant to tip them because they'd be grossly offended, then one is not meant to tip them because they'd like it *too* much and start getting ideas.
always tip generously...its a sign of good character
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
Most of the nation's wealth is stored in property. Find a way to cream some more of that off, and you've got your answer.
That's so obviously true (just imagine if all that wealth had gone into something productive) that it's scary. But I don't really see how a government does anything about it and gets relected afterwards.
Maybe what we need is a government who know and accept that they are toast, but want to leave the stage secure in the knowledge that they've done the right thing. Who will be happy that history will look on them favourably.
(And then I woke up...)
Or get in on a stupid wet manifesto then, day 1, rip it up and get serious.
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Did they get banned in UK due to one of the TTs being gay, allegedly? The one with the triangle?
USA, was it not? (not a dig at you - I really can't remember, but it was the US where BBC childrens' programmes used to be suspected as hippy druggie dropout propaganda).
There's an episode of "Ed Reardons Week" where he has to write the 'autobiography' of a BBC childrens TV show writer. Alternates between him being a commie or a libertarian as I remember. Worth a listen :-)
Based on our research, the claim that tipping became popularized by restaurant owners who didn't want to pay Black workers after the passage of the 15th Amendment is generally TRUE, though more context is helpful.”
It’s actually rather cheering that you can still go to a beautiful fascinating historic civilised city and have a delicious meal - surrounded by politicians! - for £14 a head. Including plentiful and excellent local wine
AND - listen up, Merika - no one expects a tip, and they are totally surprised, even bemused, when you leave one
Always a sign of the clueless tourist, leaving a tip in a country where the culture is that you don’t. Normally it’s Americans that mess up like that.
Because we aren't (as a rule) as cheap as UKers?
Normally it’s some mixture of habit, fearing the shame you have at home if you don’t leave one, and ignorance. Americans don’t realise that leaving a tip in many countries can be seen as almost an insult.
An insult that folks get over pretty quickly I reckon.
No, an insult that can create problems for the tourists that follow, once people get accustomed to being insulted and not minding so much.
Only for cheapskate tourists is a gratuity a "problem".
It's always a topic that reveals Americans' remarkable blindness to other cultures, and I see that tonight is no exception.
And just any topic on PB will apparently reveal the innate anti-Americanism of many PBers.
Just sayin'.
Yes, we are being unfair and it probably feels like we are being hostile, too
I fear it is just an unfortunate confluence of two things, the subject of tipping and that contentious SCOTUS ruling today
I was in the USA just last month - as you probably know - and sure I encountered societal issues - just like I do in the UK, Armenia, Greece, Sri Lanka - but the Americans I met were universally hospitable, kind, funny and generous. Some of the nicest people on earth, in a magnificent country
You just need to rewrite your Constitution a bit, and kick out all the crap/old politicians
Personally find being dissed as crazed tippers way MORE upsetting, than be critiqued in national terms for overthrown of Roe v Wade, abuse of 2nd Amendment and other ills of American democracy.
I mean, isn't coming to USA and being pissed off because posted prices do NOT include sales tax, just as "clueless" as giving a waiter a few quid or euros or whatever when that is NOT the custom of the country?
A fair point
On my last US trip (this April) I actually found tipping less hassle than normal, because now almost everyone has contactless machines and you can just tap in “10%” in a few seconds, job done.You don’t need to carry around loads of small notes
It would still be better if you got rid of excessive tipping altogether tho. That might happen as post-Covid makes cheap workers scarce. Once everyone has a living wage, tipping will dwindle
You get away with 10% tips in the US>>?
True, often it’s 20%. Even 30%. It’s fucking OBSCENE
I will never get over the idea you have to tip at BREAKFAST. It’s 7.30am and someone hands you a cup of Java and a muffin… and you yawn and scratch your eyes… and then you have to TIP
Well, we are twelves years into yet another long period of Tory government, so what does she expect.
There's a problem, though.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
Most of the nation's wealth is stored in property. Find a way to cream some more of that off, and you've got your answer.
That's so obviously true (just imagine if all that wealth had gone into something productive) that it's scary. But I don't really see how a government does anything about it and gets relected afterwards.
Maybe what we need is a government who know and accept that they are toast, but want to leave the stage secure in the knowledge that they've done the right thing. Who will be happy that history will look on them favourably.
(And then I woke up...)
Or get in on a stupid wet manifesto then, day 1, rip it up and get serious.
just tell the public to stop being complete drips and start to face hard choices...that should do it
Not for nothing, but #SupremeCourt justices can be #impeached with a simple majority in the #House.
Relevant because at least 4 of them appear to have lied under oath in their confirmation hearings, and one was party to a violent coup attempt to overthrow the 2020 election. https://twitter.com/Seiurus/status/1540373576997429248
Do we know what the lies were?
The testified, for example, that they regarded Roe as "settled law".
It was settled law.
I wonder how far some of these Justices want to go back? How many would like to go back to Dredd Scott?
Don't effing joke.
Alito actually referenced Taney's opinion in Dredd Scott in his recent gun rights decision.
Pungent PB Pundit Alert - Dread Scott
Dred Scott
I think you might have misunderstood SeaShanty's pun ?
Not impossible
I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Teletubbies is not what it was.
Did they get banned in UK due to one of the TTs being gay, allegedly? The one with the triangle?
USA, was it not? (not a dig at you - I really can't remember, but it was the US where BBC childrens' programmes used to be suspected as hippy druggie dropout propaganda).
Yes, back in the late '90s when rightwingers (Christian or pagan) were fixated on homophobia for fun & (electoral) profit.
A schtick that they (unlike our newest quasi-PBer) have pretty much abandoned, having transferred their ire (and targeting) on anti-trans and related woke-phobia.
They may have abandoned it for a while, but they're starting to go back to it
Lamont on AQ pro Johnson: leave him to get on with the job, changing the vonc rules not cricket
Does Lamont know that the rules of cricket have changed millions of times? Therefore it is cricket.
Sorry for confusion, guys, "not cricket" was my own shorthand for what he actually said. Perhaps I should have glossed his words as "not kosher" but that would raise some whole other issues
To be fair I didn’t even know which Lamont you were referring to - was picturing an absolute arsehole at school and thinking “yes, he would say that, the bullying obnoxious twat”.
Norman, immortalised by Julian Clary (at the expense of his own career, but worth it)
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I have just watched some entirely graphic footage of a minotaur being masturbated to ejaculation in an alley by a trio of birds (avian) and thought Yeah boring filler, get on with the story. Perhaps this new bloke has a point about desensitization.
Everyone else on here is just passing time as we wait for our partners to recover from the joy we have just given them, mate.
In the mid 1990's, a lot of the country (especially the state funded bits) was crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering on the goodwill of too many underpaid staff. But it was also the case that the economy was trotting on very nicely, thank you. There was money to be shifted into making the public realm better.
In the mid 2020's, things are also crumbly, tatty and clearly staggering. But heaven only knows where the money is going to come from to fix it.
@Leon takes a time machine ride to c.1650:
"Well then you need to talk to "all the members of the Cavalier Party" who apparently want to Restore the Stuarts, and who are quietly working towards that.
"This is my point. I entirely accept that you and others are *reconciled* to the Republic/Commonwealth, but many people are not, especially politically active people in the Cavaliers and the Covenanters. They want to Restore, passionately, and they have not given up - not at all
"Until THEY are reconciled, this problem will bedevil us. I cannot see an easy solution, because this is a question of faith."
(Actually, for most of my life this sort of fairly crap experience has been the norm in the UK).
Most historians seem to agree that the “unusual” levels of tipping expected in the USA - globally unique - stem from underpayment of freed slaves. It would explain why the USA in particular is anomalous
“The Racist History of Tipping”
https://www.politico.com/section/magazine
Fact-checked here
“Our ruling: True
Based on our research, the claim that tipping became popularized by restaurant owners who didn't want to pay Black workers after the passage of the 15th Amendment is generally TRUE, though more context is helpful.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/
Get out and vote against all GOP on the ballot and make sure the nutjob party doesn’t get a majority in state legislatures.
Prohibition movement had made great strides up in America just prior to WWI, with local prohibition in most states & localities where it was the majority view.
It was passage of 18th amendment that imposed strict prohibition regime on the rest of the US, that lead in just over a decade to repeal of national prohibition via the 21st amendment.
Which BTW was NOT enacted in usual manner, that is by 2/3 vote of both houses of Congress followed by ratification by supermajority of state legislatures. But rather via state conventions, thus bypassing many of the political pitfalls to repeal. Which of course would NOT have been possible without widespread public support across (most of) the nation.
Pay a decent wage, the staff are there to process the order and port the plate to my table, thats not something that requires a special payment for how servilely they perform the function, its a grotesque and unecessary ritual, tipping. She's my sister and he's my brother and i am not their master.
I dont enjoy the whole performance art of restaurants anyway in particular. Its a bit of supper.
Just sayin'.
I fear it is just an unfortunate confluence of two things, the subject of tipping and that contentious SCOTUS ruling today
I was in the USA just last month - as you probably know - and sure I encountered societal issues - just like I do in the UK, Armenia, Greece, Sri Lanka - but the Americans I met were universally hospitable, kind, funny and generous. Some of the nicest people on earth, in a magnificent country
You just need to rewrite your Constitution a bit, and kick out all the crap/old politicians
Not that I'm claiming IT is exactly authoritative. But doubt they just made it up.
Maybe what we need is a government who know and accept that they are toast, but want to leave the stage secure in the knowledge that they've done the right thing. Who will be happy that history will look on them favourably.
(And then I woke up...)
NZers are incredibly hostile to tipping.
And yet that map suggests we tip a little.
We don’t though, we have a cultural hatred of it.
Though I happen to know a few very nice, intelligent folks who unfortunately do support Trump. Some are salt of the earth.
Which makes me ask, what are people like me, who think as you do about 45, doing wrong to make such folks support him?
Merge income tax and NI so that high pensioner incomes are taxed more. Bring in the proportional property tax so that housing wealth is taxed more fairly. The country is not yet stony broke, though I'm not sure how long I will be able to say that if action isn't taken soon.
I’ve just noticed they’ve got Iceland down as another Zero Tip country, alongside Korea, Japan and Georgia
And that accords with my experience. The Icelandics do not tip and they gently look down on you if you try it
Never been to NZ so can’t say. In Australia they tolerate a bit of tipping, but it ain’t the culture. This must come from Australia’s famed egalitarianism. Everyone is a “mate”. No one is a servant
WTF has happened to America?
Doctor: Of course!
Patient: That's amazing - I didn't know how to drive before I broke them!
I mean, isn't coming to USA and being pissed off because posted prices do NOT include sales tax, just as "clueless" as giving a waiter a few quid or euros or whatever when that is NOT the custom of the country?
Today as micktrain - revelling in poor rape victims being forced to not only bring their rape baby to term but being told its "God's will"
'Othering'
Are you driving with a clutch? OR a crutch? Whatever, best of luck in getting back behind the wheel!
Referring to the game's reputation for corruption, violence, sexual licentiousness and bribery.
So kinda appropriate.
On my last US trip (this April) I actually found tipping less hassle than normal, because now almost everyone has contactless machines and you can just tap in “10%” in a few seconds, job done.You don’t need to carry around loads of small notes
It would still be better if you got rid of excessive tipping altogether tho. That might happen as post-Covid makes cheap workers scarce. Once everyone has a living wage, tipping will dwindle
But all states having exactly 2 senators, and that the electoral college is apportioned for congress + senators rather than congress alone is a deliberate design to strengthen the views of small (not just southern) states.
In practice you might struggle to calibrate it correctly so that it raises enough revenue to be transformative, whilst making a low enough proportion of voters scream in outraged agony that they can be safely ignored by a Government wishing to be re-elected. More research needed.
A schtick that they (unlike our newest quasi-PBer) have pretty much abandoned, having transferred their ire (and targeting) on anti-trans and related woke-phobia.
What I find ridiculous is when people feel the need to calculate a precise percentage of the bill and leave exactly that, rather than just rounding up to a convenient number.
Meanwhile, for fans of QVC, there is an hour of L'Occitane on the beauty channel at 11. Always worth a watch...
I will never get over the idea you have to tip at BREAKFAST. It’s 7.30am and someone hands you a cup of Java and a muffin… and you yawn and scratch your eyes… and then you have to TIP
Get outta here