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LDs move to a 78% chance in Tiverton and Honiton – politicalbetting.com

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edited June 30 in General
imageLDs move to a 78% chance in Tiverton and Honiton – politicalbetting.com

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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 21,007
    edited June 23
    First like the LDs
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 21,007
    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 21,007
    Third like the Tories?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,387
    FPT - Cannot Britain be classified as an "abandoned" island, at least by my favorite definition?

    In marked contrast to neighboring Isle of Saints & Scholars!

    BTW (also FYI) - local media by-election live blogs:

    https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/tiverton-honiton-election-polling-day-7239430

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/live-updates-wakefield-election-polls-24296440
  • Sir Keir Starmer is set to follow in the footsteps of Tony Blair by missing a major event in the trade union calendar, threatening a new row with the Left wing of his party
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,797

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    Lichfield is amazing and not that far north of your line, but it is north of Birmingham.

    If you were willing to stretch your definition of 'England' a bit then Caldicot in Monmouthshire might be worth a look.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,387

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    Based on less-than-comprehensive knowledge my own vote would be for somewhere near Malvern
  • stodgestodge Posts: 10,283
    Evening all :)

    If North Shropshire is any guide there are going to be some excellent trading opportunities once the polls have closed. My recollection of that by-election is you could back the LDs at 3s after the polls closed as some rumour suggested the LDs hadn't won the seat.

    There'll be plenty of rumours swirling round tonight - a few may be true, most won't.

    Nonetheless there's money to be made playing off those.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877

    BJO please explain, why won't Keir quit? 11 point lead

    Addressed to both of you. To spoil your fun with the cold hard polling truth of todays contrasting polls.

    This eleven point lead is The LLG is still only 57, two less than when Kantor gave Labour a 6 (in their little bit rougue poll) lead, 2 more than Kantors 2 point lead this very same day.

    What does that tell us?

    It certainly says don’t get excited.

    The biggest take out to learn, this LLG comparison between Kantor and SavCom undermines HY saying “historically you need double digit leads mid term, only that puts pressure on Boris” because if the methodology of other companies also shaves Libdems and greens like this Savanta methodology, Labour quite clearly would be widely ten+ right now - the labour polling strength today, as shown from best PM, best on economy and other polling is partly hidden away, hence Boris not feeling the 🔥 he rightly should be getting.

    Mike Smithson asks when will next Tory lead come. When will Tory score next break the 35 barrier I wonder, it’s a loooooong run 34 or under.

    Labour still only lead about 6%. No change.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 21,007
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    It's also quite restrictive on the old 'sensible property prices' front.

    Truth is, anywhere in the south of England with decent transport links to London or another major city does not currently have sensible property prices. Moreton in Marsh or Kemble would be perfect for @Benpointer save for that.

    About the nearest equivalent to both AFAICS would be Lydney which has fairly easy access to motorway and rail networks but is unfortunately also a complete shithole.
    'Sensible property prices' is a fluid term these days. Moreton in the Marsh and Kemble prices look not to bad to me. tbh. Good ideas, thanks
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 50,781
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    If North Shropshire is any guide there are going to be some excellent trading opportunities once the polls have closed. My recollection of that by-election is you could back the LDs at 3s after the polls closed as some rumour suggested the LDs hadn't won the seat.

    There'll be plenty of rumours swirling round tonight - a few may be true, most won't.

    Nonetheless there's money to be made playing off those.

    PB at its best!!!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,706

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    Based on less-than-comprehensive knowledge my own vote would be for somewhere near Malvern
    Depends how old Benpointer and Mrs P are, ort expect to be. It is on some very steep hills! But it does have a railway station (two at least, three if one includes Ledbury at a pinch) and is not far from the motorway.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 50,781
    I'm on tories for T&H.

    Be delighted to lose this one frankly, although the impact of these by-elections on Big Dog not being taken to the vet for an injection is now close to non existent.

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 10,475
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    If North Shropshire is any guide there are going to be some excellent trading opportunities once the polls have closed. My recollection of that by-election is you could back the LDs at 3s after the polls closed as some rumour suggested the LDs hadn't won the seat.

    There'll be plenty of rumours swirling round tonight - a few may be true, most won't.

    Nonetheless there's money to be made playing off those.

    Lay the favorite, Stodge, and let the price swings do the work for you until you have a green book?
  • For slightly different reasons we end up at the same conclusion. One of the reasons for other large Con leads is lots of Con 2019 voters going to Don't know.

    Kantar don't allow people to say don't know, whereas we allow people to say don't know but then weight away the impact.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 41,101
    UK and Moldova given EU member candidate status?

    Blimey!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 21,007

    UK and Moldova given EU member candidate status?

    Blimey!

    The UK is rejoining? Are you sure Sunil?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 21,007

    For slightly different reasons we end up at the same conclusion. One of the reasons for other large Con leads is lots of Con 2019 voters going to Don't know.

    Kantar don't allow people to say don't know, whereas we allow people to say don't know but then weight away the impact.

    'We' being?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,357
    In a video statement, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that Russia's air forces had destroyed “up to 50 multiple launch rocket systems located in combat vehicle hangars, including foreign-made ones” and 49 Ukrainian military fuel tanks in the Mykolaiv region yesterday.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/23/russia-ukraine-war-news-latest-putin-nuclear-snake-island/
  • JonWCJonWC Posts: 262
    Just voted. This village typically 80pct turnout. Doubt it was even 1/3 though this is of course a very small sample.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 50,781
    Tories out at 5 now
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,797
    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    Based on less-than-comprehensive knowledge my own vote would be for somewhere near Malvern
    Depends how old Benpointer and Mrs P are, ort expect to be. It is on some very steep hills! But it does have a railway station (two at least, three if one includes Ledbury at a pinch) and is not far from the motorway.
    Colwall Station is nearer Malvern than Ledbury is!
  • For slightly different reasons we end up at the same conclusion. One of the reasons for other large Con leads is lots of Con 2019 voters going to Don't know.

    Kantar don't allow people to say don't know, whereas we allow people to say don't know but then weight away the impact.

    'We' being?
    YouGov
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,021
    edited June 23
    🚨New Westminster Voting Intention🚨

    📈11pt Labour lead

    🌳Con 31 (-3)
    🌹Lab 42 (+2)
    🔶LD 10 (=)
    🎗️SNP 4 (=)
    🌍Gre 5 (+1)
    ⬜️Other 7 (-1)

    2,050 UK adults, 17-19 Jun

    (chg from 10-12 Jun)

    Big dog in trouble. HFUYD 10% target breached. Fake tories turning
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 50,781

    Sir Keir Starmer is set to follow in the footsteps of Tony Blair by missing a major event in the trade union calendar, threatening a new row with the Left wing of his party

    He's gone right off Durham to be honest.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 6,374
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 7,958

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    I'd vote for somewhere in Devon on one of the train lines into Exeter.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 33,566
    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 10,475

    BJO please explain, why won't Keir quit? 11 point lead

    Addressed to both of you. To spoil your fun with the cold hard polling truth of todays contrasting polls.

    This eleven point lead is The LLG is still only 57, two less than when Kantor gave Labour a 6 (in their little bit rougue poll) lead, 2 more than Kantors 2 point lead this very same day.

    What does that tell us?

    It certainly says don’t get excited.

    The biggest take out to learn, this LLG comparison between Kantor and SavCom undermines HY saying “historically you need double digit leads mid term, only that puts pressure on Boris” because if the methodology of other companies also shaves Libdems and greens like this Savanta methodology, Labour quite clearly would be widely ten+ right now - the labour polling strength today, as shown from best PM, best on economy and other polling is partly hidden away, hence Boris not feeling the 🔥 he rightly should be getting.

    Mike Smithson asks when will next Tory lead come. When will Tory score next break the 35 barrier I wonder, it’s a loooooong run 34 or under.

    Labour still only lead about 6%. No change.
    If the Tories are on 34% or thereabouts, and the Labour lead is roughly 6%, there ought to be little chance of the Tories losing both by-elections tonite, unless they are both perceived principally as a verdict on Johnson rather than his Party.
  • JonWCJonWC Posts: 262

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    I'd vote for somewhere in Devon on one of the train lines into Exeter.
    If you like a bit of tractor porn..
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,706
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    Based on less-than-comprehensive knowledge my own vote would be for somewhere near Malvern
    Depends how old Benpointer and Mrs P are, ort expect to be. It is on some very steep hills! But it does have a railway station (two at least, three if one includes Ledbury at a pinch) and is not far from the motorway.
    Colwall Station is nearer Malvern than Ledbury is!
    Yes, sorry, meant Colwall. On the other brow of the hills. Drat.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 10,475

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,706
    JonWC said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    I'd vote for somewhere in Devon on one of the train lines into Exeter.
    If you like a bit of tractor porn..
    And believe HMG promises and feel sure that the Cullompton station will be built soon ... but there is Tiverton Parkway. I wonder about Wellington, bit closer to Taunton. Axminster, Dorchester?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 10,475
    edited June 23

    🚨New Westminster Voting Intention🚨

    📈11pt Labour lead

    🌳Con 31 (-3)
    🌹Lab 42 (+2)
    🔶LD 10 (=)
    🎗️SNP 4 (=)
    🌍Gre 5 (+1)
    ⬜️Other 7 (-1)

    2,050 UK adults, 17-19 Jun

    (chg from 10-12 Jun)

    Big dog in trouble. HFUYD 10% target breached. Fake tories turning

    Which pollster? You don't have to be Commandant Of The Epping Irregulars to perceive that one as a bit suspect and/or an outlier.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,128

    UK and Moldova given EU member candidate status?

    Blimey!

    UKraine!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,797
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    Based on less-than-comprehensive knowledge my own vote would be for somewhere near Malvern
    Depends how old Benpointer and Mrs P are, ort expect to be. It is on some very steep hills! But it does have a railway station (two at least, three if one includes Ledbury at a pinch) and is not far from the motorway.
    Colwall Station is nearer Malvern than Ledbury is!
    Yes, sorry, meant Colwall. On the other brow of the hills. Drat.
    You just needed a little prod to make that Malvern Link.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 18,865

    🚨New Westminster Voting Intention🚨

    📈11pt Labour lead

    🌳Con 31 (-3)
    🌹Lab 42 (+2)
    🔶LD 10 (=)
    🎗️SNP 4 (=)
    🌍Gre 5 (+1)
    ⬜️Other 7 (-1)

    2,050 UK adults, 17-19 Jun

    (chg from 10-12 Jun)

    Big dog in trouble. HFUYD 10% target breached. Fake tories turning

    Which pollster? You don't have to be Commandant of the Essex Irregulars to perceive that one as a bit suspect and/or an outlier.
    ComRes
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 27,351
    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Perhaps we should offer Salisbury Cathedral to Russia - for “peace”?

    They do seem to like visiting it.

    Which reminds me - the local Corbynites have a stall on the High Street on weekends. They are big on “peace” for the current war…. I must ask them about my suggestion that we give Palestine to Russia for “peace”
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,797

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Perhaps we should offer Salisbury Cathedral to Russia - for “peace”?

    They do seem to like visiting it.

    Which reminds me - the local Corbynites have a stall on the High Street on weekends. They are big on “peace” for the current war…. I must ask them about my suggestion that we give Palestine to Russia for “peace”
    Or perhaps we could offer Putin at Stonehenge on Midwinter's Day, for peace...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,128
    geoffw said:

    In a video statement, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that Russia's air forces had destroyed “up to 50 multiple launch rocket systems located in combat vehicle hangars, including foreign-made ones” and 49 Ukrainian military fuel tanks in the Mykolaiv region yesterday.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/23/russia-ukraine-war-news-latest-putin-nuclear-snake-island/

    LOL! There’s only a handful, maybe a dozen, of the MLRS in Ukraine so far.

    Russia will soon see whether or not they have destroyed them, because they rain down Hell on the enemy from 50 miles away.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,357
    edited June 23
    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Perhaps we should offer Salisbury Cathedral to Russia - for “peace”?

    They do seem to like visiting it.

    Which reminds me - the local Corbynites have a stall on the High Street on weekends. They are big on “peace” for the current war…. I must ask them about my suggestion that we give Palestine to Russia for “peace”
    Or perhaps we could offer Putin at Stonehenge on Midwinter's Day, for peace...
    Too late this year.

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 7,958
    Carnyx said:

    JonWC said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    I'd vote for somewhere in Devon on one of the train lines into Exeter.
    If you like a bit of tractor porn..
    And believe HMG promises and feel sure that the Cullompton station will be built soon ... but there is Tiverton Parkway. I wonder about Wellington, bit closer to Taunton. Axminster, Dorchester?
    There are lots of little places with a train station on the Exe Estuary - Starcross, Dawlish, Exton, say.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,797
    geoffw said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Perhaps we should offer Salisbury Cathedral to Russia - for “peace”?

    They do seem to like visiting it.

    Which reminds me - the local Corbynites have a stall on the High Street on weekends. They are big on “peace” for the current war…. I must ask them about my suggestion that we give Palestine to Russia for “peace”
    Or perhaps we could offer Putin at Stonehenge on Midwinter's Day, for peace...
    Too late this year.

    Really?!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 8,027
    geoffw said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Perhaps we should offer Salisbury Cathedral to Russia - for “peace”?

    They do seem to like visiting it.

    Which reminds me - the local Corbynites have a stall on the High Street on weekends. They are big on “peace” for the current war…. I must ask them about my suggestion that we give Palestine to Russia for “peace”
    Or perhaps we could offer Putin at Stonehenge on Midwinter's Day, for peace...
    Too late this year.

    Not yet- midwinter, not midsummer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 99,159
    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Since when was the Bishop of Leeds the leader of the Church of England?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,128

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Perhaps we should offer Salisbury Cathedral to Russia - for “peace”?

    They do seem to like visiting it.

    Which reminds me - the local Corbynites have a stall on the High Street on weekends. They are big on “peace” for the current war…. I must ask them about my suggestion that we give Palestine to Russia for “peace”
    What’s this “Palestine” - it’s just a separatist region of Israel, right?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,387

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    She is an empty-headed ignoramus, even by congressional standards.

    Remember her confusing "Gestapo" for "gazpacho"? Tip of the dumb-ass iceberg.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,021

    🚨New Westminster Voting Intention🚨

    📈11pt Labour lead

    🌳Con 31 (-3)
    🌹Lab 42 (+2)
    🔶LD 10 (=)
    🎗️SNP 4 (=)
    🌍Gre 5 (+1)
    ⬜️Other 7 (-1)

    2,050 UK adults, 17-19 Jun

    (chg from 10-12 Jun)

    Big dog in trouble. HFUYD 10% target breached. Fake tories turning

    Which pollster? You don't have to be Commandant Of The Epping Irregulars to perceive that one as a bit suspect and/or an outlier.
    ComRes. Through my interesting direction after big dogs policy blitz
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,357
    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    In a video statement, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that Russia's air forces had destroyed “up to 50 multiple launch rocket systems located in combat vehicle hangars, including foreign-made ones” and 49 Ukrainian military fuel tanks in the Mykolaiv region yesterday.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/23/russia-ukraine-war-news-latest-putin-nuclear-snake-island/

    LOL! There’s only a handful, maybe a dozen, of the MLRS in Ukraine so far.

    Russia will soon see whether or not they have destroyed them, because they rain down Hell on the enemy from 50 miles away.
    Wierd propaganda from the Russkies then if the lie would be exposed so quickly.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 41,101

    BJO please explain, why won't Keir quit? 11 point lead

    Addressed to both of you. To spoil your fun with the cold hard polling truth of todays contrasting polls.

    This eleven point lead is The LLG is still only 57, two less than when Kantor gave Labour a 6 (in their little bit rougue poll) lead, 2 more than Kantors 2 point lead this very same day.

    What does that tell us?

    It certainly says don’t get excited.

    The biggest take out to learn, this LLG comparison between Kantor and SavCom undermines HY saying “historically you need double digit leads mid term, only that puts pressure on Boris” because if the methodology of other companies also shaves Libdems and greens like this Savanta methodology, Labour quite clearly would be widely ten+ right now - the labour polling strength today, as shown from best PM, best on economy and other polling is partly hidden away, hence Boris not feeling the 🔥 he rightly should be getting.

    Mike Smithson asks when will next Tory lead come. When will Tory score next break the 35 barrier I wonder, it’s a loooooong run 34 or under.

    Labour still only lead about 6%. No change.
    Hey @MoonRabbit , don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate Labour fans will protect you! Check it out! Independently targeting particle beam phalanx. Vwap! Fry half a Parliamentary constituency with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phased plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...

    @IshmaelZ: Knock it off, Sunil! Alright, gear up!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 99,159
    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Since when was the Bishop of Leeds the leader of the Church of England?
    The Church of England's position is Ukraine controls all its territory

    https://twitter.com/churchofengland/status/1540041527367450624?s=20&t=vcTS45R5P8hg-GP2cFo_2g

    https://twitter.com/churchofengland/status/1540041529217236992?s=20&t=vcTS45R5P8hg-GP2cFo_2g
  • glwglw Posts: 8,336
    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    The Bishop of Leeds should shut his stupid fucking mouth.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 10,283

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    If North Shropshire is any guide there are going to be some excellent trading opportunities once the polls have closed. My recollection of that by-election is you could back the LDs at 3s after the polls closed as some rumour suggested the LDs hadn't won the seat.

    There'll be plenty of rumours swirling round tonight - a few may be true, most won't.

    Nonetheless there's money to be made playing off those.

    Lay the favourite, Stodge, and let the price swings do the work for you until you have a green book?
    I found Ascot much easier this year, my friend. Made money across the five days starting with my 28/1 each way play on LUSAIL in the St James's Palace.

    I hope OGH publishes the exchange market (Smarkets or Betfair) fluctuations on T&H through the night. I suspect Wakefield will be a lot quieter.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 18,827

    🚨New Westminster Voting Intention🚨

    📈11pt Labour lead

    🌳Con 31 (-3)
    🌹Lab 42 (+2)
    🔶LD 10 (=)
    🎗️SNP 4 (=)
    🌍Gre 5 (+1)
    ⬜️Other 7 (-1)

    2,050 UK adults, 17-19 Jun

    (chg from 10-12 Jun)

    Big dog in trouble. HFUYD 10% target breached. Fake tories turning

    Wow SKS in Corbyn 2017 territory.

    Rail Strike enemy of the people strategy not working for BJ
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 10,475

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    She is an empty-headed ignoramus, even by congressional standards.

    Remember her confusing "Gestapo" for "gazpacho"? Tip of the dumb-ass iceberg.
    It's unusual though for such dunderheads to expose themselves to reason and public scrutiny outside their safe-zone. Wonder why she did it?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,797
    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    In a video statement, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that Russia's air forces had destroyed “up to 50 multiple launch rocket systems located in combat vehicle hangars, including foreign-made ones” and 49 Ukrainian military fuel tanks in the Mykolaiv region yesterday.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/23/russia-ukraine-war-news-latest-putin-nuclear-snake-island/

    LOL! There’s only a handful, maybe a dozen, of the MLRS in Ukraine so far.

    Russia will soon see whether or not they have destroyed them, because they rain down Hell on the enemy from 50 miles away.
    Wierd propaganda from the Russkies then if the lie would be exposed so quickly.

    Somewhere very hot* Comical Ali had a wry laugh.

    *The UAE to be exact.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,357
    ydoethur said:

    geoffw said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Perhaps we should offer Salisbury Cathedral to Russia - for “peace”?

    They do seem to like visiting it.

    Which reminds me - the local Corbynites have a stall on the High Street on weekends. They are big on “peace” for the current war…. I must ask them about my suggestion that we give Palestine to Russia for “peace”
    Or perhaps we could offer Putin at Stonehenge on Midwinter's Day, for peace...
    Too late this year.

    Really?!
    doh! read that as midsummer!

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 50,781

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    Probably Trump's running mate to be honest unless Palin starts to get seriously on board the whacko bus.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,610
    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    And yet they have seats in the House of Lords just because.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,104
    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    In a video statement, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that Russia's air forces had destroyed “up to 50 multiple launch rocket systems located in combat vehicle hangars, including foreign-made ones” and 49 Ukrainian military fuel tanks in the Mykolaiv region yesterday.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/23/russia-ukraine-war-news-latest-putin-nuclear-snake-island/

    LOL! There’s only a handful, maybe a dozen, of the MLRS in Ukraine so far.

    Russia will soon see whether or not they have destroyed them, because they rain down Hell on the enemy from 50 miles away.
    Wierd propaganda from the Russkies then if the lie would be exposed so quickly.

    Since when did they care about that? When a lie is exposed they just move on to the next one (incompatible with the one before).
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 10,475
    GIN1138 said:

    🚨New Westminster Voting Intention🚨

    📈11pt Labour lead

    🌳Con 31 (-3)
    🌹Lab 42 (+2)
    🔶LD 10 (=)
    🎗️SNP 4 (=)
    🌍Gre 5 (+1)
    ⬜️Other 7 (-1)

    2,050 UK adults, 17-19 Jun

    (chg from 10-12 Jun)

    Big dog in trouble. HFUYD 10% target breached. Fake tories turning

    Which pollster? You don't have to be Commandant of the Essex Irregulars to perceive that one as a bit suspect and/or an outlier.
    ComRes
    Thanks - so not gold standard but perfectly respectable.

    It does look a bit out of line though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,128
    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    In a video statement, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that Russia's air forces had destroyed “up to 50 multiple launch rocket systems located in combat vehicle hangars, including foreign-made ones” and 49 Ukrainian military fuel tanks in the Mykolaiv region yesterday.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/23/russia-ukraine-war-news-latest-putin-nuclear-snake-island/

    LOL! There’s only a handful, maybe a dozen, of the MLRS in Ukraine so far.

    Russia will soon see whether or not they have destroyed them, because they rain down Hell on the enemy from 50 miles away.
    Wierd propaganda from the Russkies then if the lie would be exposed so quickly.
    The Russian domestic audience doesn’t know any better.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,387
    geoffw said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    In a video statement, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said that Russia's air forces had destroyed “up to 50 multiple launch rocket systems located in combat vehicle hangars, including foreign-made ones” and 49 Ukrainian military fuel tanks in the Mykolaiv region yesterday.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/23/russia-ukraine-war-news-latest-putin-nuclear-snake-island/

    LOL! There’s only a handful, maybe a dozen, of the MLRS in Ukraine so far.

    Russia will soon see whether or not they have destroyed them, because they rain down Hell on the enemy from 50 miles away.
    Wierd propaganda from the Russkies then if the lie would be exposed so quickly.

    Could say the same for Boris Johnson's remarks at PMQs? Doesn't seem to faze the PM & his extended entourage.

    So why should Putin & his minions be any more put off from spouting at-least-as-obvious BS?

    After all, there IS a market out there. Plus the believing-your-own-spinning factor.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 99,159
    CatMan said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    And yet they have seats in the House of Lords just because.
    He does not speak for the Church of England who have made that clear.

    The Church of England has also been rather more critical of Putin than the Roman Catholic Church and indeed much of the Muslim world and Hindu India. Plus of course obviously the Russian Orthodox Church
  • CookieCookie Posts: 6,374
    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Since when was the Bishop of Leeds the leader of the Church of England?
    So you'd be quite relaxed about a Labour frontbencher offering this sort of drivel as long as it wasn't SKS?

    And to think these fuckwits get seats in the HoL.
    He can shive his pointy fucking hat up his arse.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 10,475
    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Since when was the Bishop of Leeds the leader of the Church of England?
    Dunno but I'd certainly give Leeds to anyone in return for a bit of peace.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 99,159

    🚨New Westminster Voting Intention🚨

    📈11pt Labour lead

    🌳Con 31 (-3)
    🌹Lab 42 (+2)
    🔶LD 10 (=)
    🎗️SNP 4 (=)
    🌍Gre 5 (+1)
    ⬜️Other 7 (-1)

    2,050 UK adults, 17-19 Jun

    (chg from 10-12 Jun)

    Big dog in trouble. HFUYD 10% target breached. Fake tories turning

    Wow SKS in Corbyn 2017 territory.

    Rail Strike enemy of the people strategy not working for BJ
    Better than that, those figures give a Labour majority.

    Though only 1 poll
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 27,351
    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Perhaps we should offer Salisbury Cathedral to Russia - for “peace”?

    They do seem to like visiting it.

    Which reminds me - the local Corbynites have a stall on the High Street on weekends. They are big on “peace” for the current war…. I must ask them about my suggestion that we give Palestine to Russia for “peace”
    What’s this “Palestine” - it’s just a separatist region of Israel, right?
    The Arabs-are-semites-and-therefore-screaming-death-to-the-Jews-isn’t-antisemitic types are actually of that opinion - but from the other end of the telescope, as it were.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    edited June 23

    BJO please explain, why won't Keir quit? 11 point lead

    Addressed to both of you. To spoil your fun with the cold hard polling truth of todays contrasting polls.

    This eleven point lead is The LLG is still only 57, two less than when Kantor gave Labour a 6 (in their little bit rougue poll) lead, 2 more than Kantors 2 point lead this very same day.

    What does that tell us?

    It certainly says don’t get excited.

    The biggest take out to learn, this LLG comparison between Kantor and SavCom undermines HY saying “historically you need double digit leads mid term, only that puts pressure on Boris” because if the methodology of other companies also shaves Libdems and greens like this Savanta methodology, Labour quite clearly would be widely ten+ right now - the labour polling strength today, as shown from best PM, best on economy and other polling is partly hidden away, hence Boris not feeling the 🔥 he rightly should be getting.

    Mike Smithson asks when will next Tory lead come. When will Tory score next break the 35 barrier I wonder, it’s a loooooong run 34 or under.

    Labour still only lead about 6%. No change.
    Hey @MoonRabbit , don't worry. Me and my squad of ultimate Labour fans will protect you! Check it out! Independently targeting particle beam phalanx. Vwap! Fry half a Parliamentary constituency with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phased plasma pulse rifles, RPGs, we got sonic electronic ball breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...

    @IshmaelZ: Knock it off, Sunil! Alright, gear up!
    What am I missing?

    I only explained how LLG helps us see different firms methodologies producing +2 +11 polls same day, and the actual lead is something like 39-33.

    Who actually disagrees with that?

    Your ULF got any series 4 deatomizers?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,610
    edited June 23

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    She is an empty-headed ignoramus, even by congressional standards.

    Remember her confusing "Gestapo" for "gazpacho"? Tip of the dumb-ass iceberg.
    I still find it incredible that Charles (the guy who used to post here, not Lizzy's son) had no idea who she was
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,797
    glw said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    The Bishop of Leeds should shut his stupid fucking mouth.
    According to his twitter feed, that's not what he said. Rather he said that Russia should be condemned and opposed, but that in the paper tabling a motion for debate on the Church of England's response he notes suggestions have been made that Russia should be given territory to stop attacking.

    Ukrainian integrity is unequivocal. Debate is not a statement of church’s mind.

    https://twitter.com/nickbaines/status/1540042387728306176

    And it is the Daily Telegraph. Not a reliable source, particularly on matters to do with the Church of England which it hates with a passion for being apparently some kind of wishy-washy left woke institution of pinkoes (or something).

    So I think it might be worth being a bit careful here.

    There's a certain irony that only four days ago he told his diocesan synod that he wished he could lead a quieter life and avoid controversy, but that would mean he wasn't speaking out on issues of conscience which would be worse.

    https://nickbaines.wordpress.com/2022/06/18/leeds-diocesan-synod/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 8,027
    CatMan said:

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    She is an empty-headed ignoramus, even by congressional standards.

    Remember her confusing "Gestapo" for "gazpacho"? Tip of the dumb-ass iceberg.
    I still find it incredible that Charles (the guy who used to post here, not Lizzy's son) had no idea who she was
    I have no idea who she is.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 99,159
    edited June 23
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Since when was the Bishop of Leeds the leader of the Church of England?
    So you'd be quite relaxed about a Labour frontbencher offering this sort of drivel as long as it wasn't SKS?

    And to think these fuckwits get seats in the HoL.
    He can shive his pointy fucking hat up his arse.
    Plenty of them still do, plus the previous leader of the Labour Party.

    The Church of England is the established church and should remain so. It is up to Conservative PMs to appoint more conservative Bishops (or Justice Secretaries if they are Roman Catholics like Boris)
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 4,490

    HYUFD said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Since when was the Bishop of Leeds the leader of the Church of England?
    Dunno but I'd certainly give Leeds to anyone in return for a bit of peace.
    I could be offended by that, but as I'm an avowed Leeds separatist I'll let it go.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 21,046

    🚨New Westminster Voting Intention🚨

    📈11pt Labour lead

    🌳Con 31 (-3)
    🌹Lab 42 (+2)
    🔶LD 10 (=)
    🎗️SNP 4 (=)
    🌍Gre 5 (+1)
    ⬜️Other 7 (-1)

    2,050 UK adults, 17-19 Jun

    (chg from 10-12 Jun)

    Big dog in trouble. HFUYD 10% target breached. Fake tories turning

    Which pollster? You don't have to be Commandant Of The Epping Irregulars to perceive that one as a bit suspect and/or an outlier.
    2 outliers in one day. Average them out and they look like par.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 10,283
    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    It's an unwise comment in the current climate but it does point to some awkward questions:

    How does this end?

    We seem already to be accustomed to this conflict happening a long way away in places like Luhansk and Severodonetsk which were once thriving cities and which are now ruined. Even if the fighting stopped tomorrow, the human and economic damage to the Ukraine has been considerable. The Donetsk or Dombas regions look like being a war zone for the foreseeable future.

    How does this end? I know how we'd like it to end - Russian withdrawal from all Ukrainian territory (including presumably the Crimea) but are we really anywhere near that point? I don't see it currently - what little evidence I have suggests this is Europe's version of the Iran-Iraq war, long on human lives forfeited, short on military objectives being achieved.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,610
    edited June 23

    CatMan said:

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    She is an empty-headed ignoramus, even by congressional standards.

    Remember her confusing "Gestapo" for "gazpacho"? Tip of the dumb-ass iceberg.
    I still find it incredible that Charles (the guy who used to post here, not Lizzy's son) had no idea who she was
    I have no idea who she is.
    Do you have an American wife and spend a lot of time living in your American residence and support the GOP?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,820
    From another PB.

    Government ministers have been out in force this week complaining about striking rail staff and all the disruption they're causing other people. It's funny, because a few weeks ago they didn't all seem quite so bothered about such things.

    When Nadine Dorries took a trip down to Cornwall earlier this month, she was on a train that fell behind schedule far enough that she was looking at missing a connection. She asked staff onboard if they could call ahead to the connecting station to get them to hold the train back for her – and was told that, no, that wouldn't be possible.

    So she took matters into in her own hands. By texting the transport secretary Grant Shapps to see if there was anything he could do to get her train held back instead.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 48,797
    stodge said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    It's an unwise comment in the current climate but it does point to some awkward questions:

    How does this end?

    We seem already to be accustomed to this conflict happening a long way away in places like Luhansk and Severodonetsk which were once thriving cities and which are now ruined. Even if the fighting stopped tomorrow, the human and economic damage to the Ukraine has been considerable. The Donetsk or Dombas regions look like being a war zone for the foreseeable future.

    How does this end? I know how we'd like it to end - Russian withdrawal from all Ukrainian territory (including presumably the Crimea) but are we really anywhere near that point? I don't see it currently - what little evidence I have suggests this is Europe's version of the Iran-Iraq war, long on human lives forfeited, short on military objectives being achieved.
    I think Lavrov's suggestion after he'd had a couple and was eyeing up Liz Truss was the right one. Give Ukraine Rostov-on-Don and let Russia keep the Crimea.

    That would confuse the hell out of the situation and leave us all in peace while they worked it out.

    Sadly he seems to have realised what he said...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,452

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    She really is quite bonkers.
  • MPartridgeMPartridge Posts: 50
    For those thinking a Labour Majority or even Government is a dead set now.

    Just remember June 2019 the Tories were poling in 4th place with 17% in multiple polls.

    Bojo went on to win 43% and largest tory majority for 32 years just 6 months later. A change of leadership can change everything.

    Not saying it will change everything....but the possibility is there.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 2,922
    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    Based on less-than-comprehensive knowledge my own vote would be for somewhere near Malvern
    Depends how old Benpointer and Mrs P are, ort expect to be. It is on some very steep hills! But it does have a railway station (two at least, three if one includes Ledbury at a pinch) and is not far from the motorway.
    Colwall Station is nearer Malvern than Ledbury is!
    The Oxford–Hereford railway line has some good places to live, and Ledbury is one of the best.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 8,027
    CatMan said:

    CatMan said:

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    She is an empty-headed ignoramus, even by congressional standards.

    Remember her confusing "Gestapo" for "gazpacho"? Tip of the dumb-ass iceberg.
    I still find it incredible that Charles (the guy who used to post here, not Lizzy's son) had no idea who she was
    I have no idea who she is.
    Do you have an American wife and spend a lot of time living in your American residence and support the GOP?
    I do not. I didn’t realise that was the criteria for ignorance!😃
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 21,007

    From another PB.

    Government ministers have been out in force this week complaining about striking rail staff and all the disruption they're causing other people. It's funny, because a few weeks ago they didn't all seem quite so bothered about such things.

    When Nadine Dorries took a trip down to Cornwall earlier this month, she was on a train that fell behind schedule far enough that she was looking at missing a connection. She asked staff onboard if they could call ahead to the connecting station to get them to hold the train back for her – and was told that, no, that wouldn't be possible.

    So she took matters into in her own hands. By texting the transport secretary Grant Shapps to see if there was anything he could do to get her train held back instead.

    Presumably, if Shapps got involved the train then broke down.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 16,603
    GIN1138 said:

    🚨New Westminster Voting Intention🚨

    📈11pt Labour lead

    🌳Con 31 (-3)
    🌹Lab 42 (+2)
    🔶LD 10 (=)
    🎗️SNP 4 (=)
    🌍Gre 5 (+1)
    ⬜️Other 7 (-1)

    2,050 UK adults, 17-19 Jun

    (chg from 10-12 Jun)

    Big dog in trouble. HFUYD 10% target breached. Fake tories turning

    Which pollster? You don't have to be Commandant of the Essex Irregulars to perceive that one as a bit suspect and/or an outlier.
    ComRes
    New Gold Standard then?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 1,610

    From another PB.

    Government ministers have been out in force this week complaining about striking rail staff and all the disruption they're causing other people. It's funny, because a few weeks ago they didn't all seem quite so bothered about such things.

    When Nadine Dorries took a trip down to Cornwall earlier this month, she was on a train that fell behind schedule far enough that she was looking at missing a connection. She asked staff onboard if they could call ahead to the connecting station to get them to hold the train back for her – and was told that, no, that wouldn't be possible.

    So she took matters into in her own hands. By texting the transport secretary Grant Shapps to see if there was anything he could do to get her train held back instead.

    Nadine Dorries is the British Marjorie Taylor Greene
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 21,046

    From another PB.

    Government ministers have been out in force this week complaining about striking rail staff and all the disruption they're causing other people. It's funny, because a few weeks ago they didn't all seem quite so bothered about such things.

    When Nadine Dorries took a trip down to Cornwall earlier this month, she was on a train that fell behind schedule far enough that she was looking at missing a connection. She asked staff onboard if they could call ahead to the connecting station to get them to hold the train back for her – and was told that, no, that wouldn't be possible.

    So she took matters into in her own hands. By texting the transport secretary Grant Shapps to see if there was anything he could do to get her train held back instead.

    I take it there wasn't?
    That would require some influence and competence after all.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 16,603

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    I thought the French cornered the market in targeted rudeness but that was pretty good.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 21,201

    ydoethur said:

    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ok here's a PB challenge. Mrs P and I are planning to move in the next few years. What's the best small town or large village to move to?

    It needs to be in the south of England* (anywhere south of Worcester-Northampton-Norwich) for family reasons. Ideally it'll be somewhere with: lots going on, good transport connections, easy access to London or another major city, sensible property prices.

    Any ideas?

    (*Yes I know, there are lots of fantastic places to live outside the south of England, we have lived in some, but... family connections rule them out for us now.)

    A pity it has to be in the south of England because there are so many great places slightly further north.
    Where were you thinking of Andy? The Worcester-Northampton-Norwich line is not set in stone.

    Thanks for the other good suggestions on the previous thread too!
    Based on less-than-comprehensive knowledge my own vote would be for somewhere near Malvern
    Depends how old Benpointer and Mrs P are, ort expect to be. It is on some very steep hills! But it does have a railway station (two at least, three if one includes Ledbury at a pinch) and is not far from the motorway.
    Colwall Station is nearer Malvern than Ledbury is!
    The Oxford–Hereford railway line has some good places to live, and Ledbury is one of the best.
    Ross on Wye is another good Herefordshire bet for @Benpointer

    Stunning countryside, high quality of life, 2 1/2 hours from London by car
  • RogerRoger Posts: 16,603

    I'd caution against jumping to conclusions on the evidence of the betting movements.

    At this stage of the proceedings and for about the first half hour of the count, nobody knows the result.

    Yes and let's not forget Jack's about.....
  • glwglw Posts: 8,336
    edited June 23
    ydoethur said:

    glw said:

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    The Bishop of Leeds should shut his stupid fucking mouth.
    According to his twitter feed, that's not what he said. Rather he said that Russia should be condemned and opposed, but that in the paper tabling a motion for debate on the Church of England's response he notes suggestions have been made that Russia should be given territory to stop attacking.

    Ukrainian integrity is unequivocal. Debate is not a statement of church’s mind.

    https://twitter.com/nickbaines/status/1540042387728306176

    And it is the Daily Telegraph. Not a reliable source, particularly on matters to do with the Church of England which it hates with a passion for being apparently some kind of wishy-washy left woke institution of pinkoes (or something).

    So I think it might be worth being a bit careful here.

    There's a certain irony that only four days ago he told his diocesan synod that he wished he could lead a quieter life and avoid controversy, but that would mean he wasn't speaking out on issues of conscience which would be worse.

    https://nickbaines.wordpress.com/2022/06/18/leeds-diocesan-synod/
    It is complete nonsense because there is no peace for Ukrainian people in Russian occupied territory. Russia deliberately terrorises Ukrainians to force them to leave, through indiscriminate attacks, and then deports many of those who remain when Russians occupy the territory, even the broadly Russia-aligned people who are left end up terrorised by the thugs Russia leaves in charge.

    It's basically an argument that people should lay down their arms and die for "peace".

    If someone like Ramzan Kadyrov running your country is the "peaceful" outcome then keep fighting.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,452

    Cookie said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/23/donbas-price-peace-ukraine-says-church-england/
    Apparently the Ukraine should cede Donbas to Russia 'for peace'.
    Honestly, what is it with these lefties? Why shouldn't Russia cede Donbas to Ukraine 'for peace'?
    The Church of England are absolutely bonkers.

    Perhaps we should offer Salisbury Cathedral to Russia - for “peace”?

    They do seem to like visiting it.

    Which reminds me - the local Corbynites have a stall on the High Street on weekends. They are big on “peace” for the current war…. I must ask them about my suggestion that we give Palestine to Russia for “peace”
    I believe Macron has already offered it.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 8,387

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    Probably Trump's running mate to be honest unless Palin starts to get seriously on board the whacko bus.
    What do you mean "unless Palin etc, etc"? She's already ON the bus, and has been for quite a while.

    (Though perhaps your comment has more than a touch of sarcasm?)

    IMHO SaraH Palin will NOT be elected as Alaska's next member of Congress in next months ranked-choice special election. Because she will prove transfer-adverse; few who pick either of two Dems will give Palin transfers, while many of them WILL give them to the other Republican in the race, Nick Begich.

    As for MTJ, note that Secret POTUS has zero need for a fellow nutbag as his running mate, seeing has how he covers THAT side of things quite nicely.

    Instead, the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo will pick a VP candidate who reassures some key part of his electoral coalition AND his demonstrably less crazy than himself. As with Mike Pence in 2016.

    Though strangely enough, seems that MP is NOT in the running for a repeat with 45? Despite being touted at one point by PB's (mis)leading electoral analyst and God-botherer, as THE inevitable 2024 GOP nominee?

    Seems to me that Nicky Haley and Kristi Noem would be MUCH better and perhaps even more likely picks.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 99,159
    edited June 23

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    Probably Trump's running mate to be honest unless Palin starts to get seriously on board the whacko bus.
    What do you mean "unless Palin etc, etc"? She's already ON the bus, and has been for quite a while.

    (Though perhaps your comment has more than a touch of sarcasm?)

    IMHO SaraH Palin will NOT be elected as Alaska's next member of Congress in next months ranked-choice special election. Because she will prove transfer-adverse; few who pick either of two Dems will give Palin transfers, while many of them WILL give them to the other Republican in the race, Nick Begich.

    As for MTJ, note that Secret POTUS has zero need for a fellow nutbag as his running mate, seeing has how he covers THAT side of things quite nicely.

    Instead, the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo will pick a VP candidate who reassures some key part of his electoral coalition AND his demonstrably less crazy than himself. As with Mike Pence in 2016.

    Though strangely enough, seems that MP is NOT in the running for a repeat with 45? Despite being touted at one point by PB's (mis)leading electoral analyst and God-botherer, as THE inevitable 2024 GOP nominee?

    Seems to me that Nicky Haley and Kristi Noem would be MUCH better and perhaps even more likely picks.
    If DeSantis loses to Crist in November as most recent polls predict, Pence will be likely favourite for the GOP nomination if Trump does not run in 2024 or Trump's main rival if he does run
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,089

    For those thinking a Labour Majority or even Government is a dead set now.

    Just remember June 2019 the Tories were poling in 4th place with 17% in multiple polls.

    Bojo went on to win 43% and largest tory majority for 32 years just 6 months later. A change of leadership can change everything.

    Not saying it will change everything....but the possibility is there.

    Not a great example IMO because that score was affected by the Euro election.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 16,603

    I'm on tories for T&H.

    Be delighted to lose this one frankly, although the impact of these by-elections on Big Dog not being taken to the vet for an injection is now close to non existent.

    It's a tricky one. Would I prefer £69 or the Tories to lose?

    Who am I kidding! Tories to lose any day of the week
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,128
    edited June 23

    Marjorie Taylor Greene going tonto on C4 News.

    To the English reporter when asked about school shootings:

    'You got mass stabbings in yor country, you go back there, lady' etc

    MTG may be stark raving mad or a shameless charlatan, but is probably both.
    Probably Trump's running mate to be honest unless Palin starts to get seriously on board the whacko bus.
    What do you mean "unless Palin etc, etc"? She's already ON the bus, and has been for quite a while.

    (Though perhaps your comment has more than a touch of sarcasm?)

    IMHO SaraH Palin will NOT be elected as Alaska's next member of Congress in next months ranked-choice special election. Because she will prove transfer-adverse; few who pick either of two Dems will give Palin transfers, while many of them WILL give them to the other Republican in the race, Nick Begich.

    As for MTJ, note that Secret POTUS has zero need for a fellow nutbag as his running mate, seeing has how he covers THAT side of things quite nicely.

    Instead, the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo will pick a VP candidate who reassures some key part of his electoral coalition AND his demonstrably less crazy than himself. As with Mike Pence in 2016.

    Though strangely enough, seems that MP is NOT in the running for a repeat with 45? Despite being touted at one point by PB's (mis)leading electoral analyst and God-botherer, as THE inevitable 2024 GOP nominee?

    Seems to me that Nicky Haley and Kristi Noem would be MUCH better and perhaps even more likely picks.
    Actresses Tina Fey and Lisa Ann will be hoping that Palin has a good run. They made good money impersonating her in 2008.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 1,388
    Guns have killed more Americans than all the combined wars they’ve fought including their Civil War .

    And yet still nothing changes . And with today’s SCOTUS decision effectively expanding gun rights there really comes a point when if you live in Europe you just have to give up on the country .

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 4,490
    edited June 23
    CatMan said:

    From another PB.

    Government ministers have been out in force this week complaining about striking rail staff and all the disruption they're causing other people. It's funny, because a few weeks ago they didn't all seem quite so bothered about such things.

    When Nadine Dorries took a trip down to Cornwall earlier this month, she was on a train that fell behind schedule far enough that she was looking at missing a connection. She asked staff onboard if they could call ahead to the connecting station to get them to hold the train back for her – and was told that, no, that wouldn't be possible.

    So she took matters into in her own hands. By texting the transport secretary Grant Shapps to see if there was anything he could do to get her train held back instead.

    Nadine Dorries is the British Marjorie Taylor Greene
    No, MTG is much more dangerous. Dorries is a joke but has no following of note. But MTG has quite a large following, and is a gun-toting fascist as far as I can see.
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