Anybody who thinks Charles is going to moderate his behaviour when he finally gets to wear his mother's bridal veil is fucking kidding themselvhttps://www2.politicalbetting.com/es. He's had a completely fucked up life that was equal parts opulence, indulgence and duty. He's waited an entire lifetime for it and he knows he's only going to be able to do it for a relatively short time.
He's going to stick his nose into all sorts when he is king.
He shows definite signs of 'wanting to make a difference', words to strike fear into the most ardent Royal Standard shagger.
Good for Charlie! I knew he'd turn out to be a good 'un.
Now Rogerdamus has called it I'm seriously worried we'll now become a republic.
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
For a real classic, consider an MGB. Not that fast compared with modern designs, but classic fun, and absolutely every part is available via the excellent owners club and specialist garages.
A more modern likely classic is the Honda S2000. Great performance, Honda reliability and great parts availability.
I had an AustinHealey Sprite for a few years, and great support for those too, as most bits are in common with other BL cars of the era. The roof leaked, it rusted, and windscreen wipers and headlights were awful. Fun on a sunny Spring day though, like sitting on a high speed tea tray.
Any MGB that doesn’t need 200 hours of rust repairs is now not cheap and there really isn't much potential in the B series beyond big carbs.
The F20C in the S2000 is a ticking (sometimes literally) timebomb. If it hasn't been assiduously cared for then it's going to be trouble hence the proliferation of K20/24 swaps.
Early GT86/BRZ are value .
Bear in mind NA MX-5S have rust issue around the sills. You used to be able to get a good import for <2k but those days are long gone.
If you wanted to live life on the wild side get an early RX-8. It’ll be a hoot until the engine blows through the lid.
Stokes choosing to bowl first shows he is fully behind the Strauss, Root captaincy theory 101 of being a spineless dweeb. Hussein, Cook and Vaughan are the models to follow
Stokes choosing to bowl first shows he is fully behind the Strauss, Root captaincy theory 101 of being a spineless dweeb. Hussein, Cook and Vaughan are the models to follow
In fairness both captains said they would have bowled and the pitch looked green. It has proven a catastrophic decision but this is hindsight. When NZ lost their captain and best batsman at short notice it probably seemed even smarter.
England have been far too safety first, declare too late, wishy washy generally of late and previously under Strauss. You shoukd almost never be bowling first on warm sunny summer days. Imo of course. Just needs a session of sensible, cautious batting on anything and then youve got a road for 2 days. As we see.
Great my student loan is only inflating by 7% now, thanks Tories
It's not a debt, just a capped graduate tax. Unless you're super well paid you're never "paying it off" anyway.
I’m paying it,
There’s no doubt I was lucky to attend uni when I did, I.e. before the current fees and loans system.
That said we have decisions to make about higher education. If you as a country wish to send 50% of kids to uni, someone has to pay. It is unpalatable to many to make it out of general taxation. So you either have a graduate tax, or some kind of loan. The loans we have are, as described, a capped graduate tax. I understand why you resent the increase in interest rates. It must feel like you are getting a raw deal. But you did get your degree, which has presumably aided your career, so you are earning more than you might have done. I’d also note almost everywhere in the world funds uni in similar ways. American TV shows are endlessly on about the college fund, as an example of families budgeting to pay for it. I don’t think we want to turn back the clock and restrict uni to 5 to 10% of the population, so it’s got to be paid for somehow.
My next policy.
Cut number of people going to uni by half and make the remainder free
bet it is already free for 50% or more who never need to pay it back
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
You are generally a sensible poster but you are in danger of falling into @HYUFD trap of havering
Though I think your comment may be tongue in cheek
HYUFD is in Epping, an Essex District. Not Havering, a neighbouring London Borough.
Or isn't that what you meant?
Havering is an excellent description in the context
We have a Havering H of Epping proportions?
For example “Boris helped Tories get 36% in Wales 2019” - or it may just have been Corbyn and Brexit got the Tories to 36% 2019 - Boris over promising and zero delivering got the Tories to 6% in 2024.
Wales was the one place on local election night where Tory to Labour vote transfers were clearly going on to massive scale.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
You are generally a sensible poster but you are in danger of falling into @HYUFD trap of havering
Though I think your comment may be tongue in cheek
I don't know that it is; look at the way almost every PBTory is disowning the Johnsonite regime in Whitehall as not Tory or Conservative. If this goes on much longer, then the WTP will have to decide between extinction and an increasing degree of independence from the Conservative Party in London.
Outgoing Defence Minister and new Liberal Culture Warrior-In-Chief PeDu reckons he had a backchannel deal going with the US to lease two Virginias by 2030.
The Australians didn't cancel the French deal on perfomance (or lack of) grounds but using the 'convenience' clause which cost them $A840m.
First boat now expected in 2045 according to the new Defence Minister who is salty with PeDu for blabbing that AUKUS is more like AukUS.
They are going to MLU the Collins (because what else can they do?) in an exercise which will probably end up costing more than the SFB.
No! Never! AUKUS is the backbone of a new post-colonial world where BorisHRH Truss the UK will bestride the global stage once again.
[Waves flag to the sound of the National Anthem]
Slightly OT, but Australia is the only Anglophone nation with a good national anthem.
Apparently, when Aus decided to ditch 'Go Save the Queen', they put the alternative anthems to the public in a referendum. 'Waltzing Matilda' came second. In at third was Rolf Harris's 'Sun Arise'.
Waltzing Matilda is a banger. Probably just as well they avoided the Rolf number really.
The UK has good alternatives (I’m partial to Heart of Oak). Maybe when Queenie dies we can ditch God Save the Queen.
We will definitely not sing God Save The Queen after HMQ unless Charles, William and George have been taken out!
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
For a real classic, consider an MGB. Not that fast compared with modern designs, but classic fun, and absolutely every part is available via the excellent owners club and specialist garages.
A more modern likely classic is the Honda S2000. Great performance, Honda reliability and great parts availability.
I had an AustinHealey Sprite for a few years, and great support for those too, as most bits are in common with other BL cars of the era. The roof leaked, it rusted, and windscreen wipers and headlights were awful. Fun on a sunny Spring day though, like sitting on a high speed tea tray.
Any MGB that doesn’t need 200 hours of rust repairs is now not cheap and there really isn't much potential in the B series beyond big carbs.
The F20C in the S2000 is a ticking (sometimes literally) timebomb. If it hasn't been assiduously cared for then it's going to be trouble hence the proliferation of K20/24 swaps.
Early GT86/BRZ are value .
One thing that has dramatically changed is car bodywork. I fought a long battle against rust with a lot of old bangers in the Eighties. Perhaps the worst was a Lancia Beta that was brilliant to drive, but dissolved into red powder over a couple of years that even I couldn't disguise with waxoyl and filler. My Fiat 500 is 14 this year, never garaged and not a spot of rust. Remarkable progress.
Mr. Sandpit, aye, a pleasant result, aided by Leclerc thoughtfully buggering up the first corner of his final flying lap and Verstappen very kindly encountering substantial traffic.
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
For a real classic, consider an MGB. Not that fast compared with modern designs, but classic fun, and absolutely every part is available via the excellent owners club and specialist garages.
A more modern likely classic is the Honda S2000. Great performance, Honda reliability and great parts availability.
I had an AustinHealey Sprite for a few years, and great support for those too, as most bits are in common with other BL cars of the era. The roof leaked, it rusted, and windscreen wipers and headlights were awful. Fun on a sunny Spring day though, like sitting on a high speed tea tray.
Any MGB that doesn’t need 200 hours of rust repairs is now not cheap and there really isn't much potential in the B series beyond big carbs.
The F20C in the S2000 is a ticking (sometimes literally) timebomb. If it hasn't been assiduously cared for then it's going to be trouble hence the proliferation of K20/24 swaps.
Early GT86/BRZ are value .
One thing that has dramatically changed is car bodywork. I fought a long battle against rust with a lot of old bangers in the Eighties. Perhaps the worst was a Lancia Beta that was brilliant to drive, but dissolved into red powder over a couple of years that even I couldn't disguise with waxoyl and filler. My Fiat 500 is 14 this year, never garaged and not a spot of rust. Remarkable progress.
I’m still getting my ND undersealed next month. It’s being retired from daily duty and I want it to stay rust free
🧨🧨 NEW. Leaked Treasury memo concedes Boris Johnson’s plan to cut civil service risks ‘adverse impacts’ on frontline services - my latest with @eirnolsoe@FT /1 https://on.ft.com/3xEpuu0
So @BorisJohnson said this week the decision to “prune back” Whitehall departments could be achieved “without harming the public services they deliver” — but no-one agrees with that. Not insiders or experts. /2
People who’s jobs are at risk think that cutting jobs is a bad idea?
I can think of a great many civil servants whose jobs could be cut to the great benefit of the rest of us.
*Bias alert as a civil servant*. My experience so far isn't that departments are inherently opposed to the idea of cutting back on personnel but that they want clear instruction from the government about where they should cut. The main problem is that ministers won't accept that if departments cut staff it means they can't do everything they used to do. In my department the vast majority of staff work in customer facing roles. To achieve the required number of cuts it would mean either dialling back on service commitments (shouldn't happen) or doing things like mandating digital only contact (should happen but requires short term pain). It's no use pointing to culture war baiting jobs like diversity officers because even if those roles exist they make up a tiny proportion of the staff in a department.
*Bias alert as a public sector worker in a customer facing role*
We could axe the entire DfE and it's hard to see how things could be worse in education than they are now. And I mean that quite seriously. what I can clearly see is that there is an issue with people creating work for each other to justify their jobs, because they want to hang on to a cushy number.
Which would be less of a problem if they didn't then all start pulling in different directions and putting more pressure on staff in the front line with extra work to prove they were doing something useful.
At the same time, I do take your point. Politicians should be leading by making policy, not Daily Mail headlines, and there is no way we could manage without administrators at all. Whether we have enough of the right ones or they are doing the right things may be a different question.
Stokes choosing to bowl first shows he is fully behind the Strauss, Root captaincy theory 101 of being a spineless dweeb. Hussein, Cook and Vaughan are the models to follow
I do. Very poor, but Hussein generally had nuts and rebuilt England from the joke it became in the mid 90s. Vastly underrated captain and reformer of how we did things and built the foundation for the Vaughan success
If Johnson sticks around for the next two years then we're in for a really unpleasant time. These 'red meat' policies are only going to increase, turning this once great country into a cesspit of hate.
I know that a lot of you Conservatives on here agree about this, for which I'm grateful.
Good morning
We are doing our best supporting the 148 to remedy the problem
It's the next 32 you need to be working on, and they are steadfast in their support for BigDog.
I am not convinced, especially as 65 plus grassroots chairs are about to demand his resignation and Welsh conservatives about to declare independence from the party
New leader for Conference
In my opinion the previous “lose a vote of confidence this badly and you are soon out” doesn’t apply here.
Lady Thatcher’s end had 2 key differences, she was wedded to community charge and wouldn’t U turn on it, and it was good old days of strong cabinets not cheerleaders, so big beasts rebelled, resigning from cabinet and those that remained telling her it’s over night before she withdrew from race she was in - none of that applies to this scenario.
The Sir John Major actually wasn’t soon removed by his party or gone within a year, don’t know how people can claim he was - it was soon so close to a General Election territory, like it is in this instance another vonc didn’t happen, many who fancied taking over wouldn’t have had much time as PM before possibly losing the election so much preferred waiting for a post election leadership race before beginning their era - very much like in this instance, so good reason why a Penny or Wally riding over the hill to save Tory’s from this purgatory before the general election isn’t going to happen now is it?
Theresa May, especially after losing the DUP over her deal, was a sitting duck for ERG vote strikes and pressure in a way Boris simply isn’t. The real pressure that led to her going was it was impossible for her to go on without passing the Brexit she was strapped to, again doesn’t apply here.
Anyone talking up Boris going soon is actually missing the bigger picture here - the Conservative Party has allowed itself to be hijacked by vacuous populism like the GOP in America. What is Johnsonism - especially fiscally - Is it even the good old winning Conservatism brand? Anyone thinking once Johnson goes all this mess instantly unwinds might be kidding themselves. Do Tory successors stick rigidly to Boris’s hard Brexit deal? Can Boris promises be achieved if they stop borrowing, taxing and spending? Can Johnsonsism even be achieved with high tax and borrowing for big spending, or does governing not work simple quick as that?
I remain sceptical he will be ousted now this side of a GE.
The fundamental issue is there is no obvious replacement who commands sufficient support from the membership.
And the membership will be looking for someone to be right of Boris on economics and just as hardline on Brexit.
wether it happens like that remains to be seen. Rather than call you plain wrong, let’s just wait and see. To be wedded to Boris Brexit is to be wedded to Fuck Business. To say Boris Brexit is sacrosanct because it’s perfect Brexit is just plain laughable.
Yes the Tories can off to the right HY if they want. But if they ever want to win again after Boris, they will have to come back to the centre.
The irony is that apart from Brexit Boris is pretty centrist, even more centrist than Cameron on economics. Hence he won a landslide general election victory for the Tories in 2019.
Once Boris goes the Tory leadership will likely move even further right just as Labour moved further left after Blair and Brown for the next decade
Will they start issuing "BlueShirts" for the Pure?
That would be terribly confusing (though entirely typical of Tory utter neglect and ignorance of Irish history): to play safe, it would have to be Blueshorts (like Roderick Spode's Blackshorts in the Wooster cycle).
Stokes choosing to bowl first shows he is fully behind the Strauss, Root captaincy theory 101 of being a spineless dweeb. Hussein, Cook and Vaughan are the models to follow
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
You are generally a sensible poster but you are in danger of falling into @HYUFD trap of havering
Though I think your comment may be tongue in cheek
HYUFD is in Epping, an Essex District. Not Havering, a neighbouring London Borough.
Or isn't that what you meant?
Haver: To talk nonsense, gibberish; to speak rubbish.
And as Malky kens fine, it does not mean 'to waver, hesitate'.
If Johnson sticks around for the next two years then we're in for a really unpleasant time. These 'red meat' policies are only going to increase, turning this once great country into a cesspit of hate.
I know that a lot of you Conservatives on here agree about this, for which I'm grateful.
Good morning
We are doing our best supporting the 148 to remedy the problem
It's the next 32 you need to be working on, and they are steadfast in their support for BigDog.
I am not convinced, especially as 65 plus grassroots chairs are about to demand his resignation and Welsh conservatives about to declare independence from the party
New leader for Conference
In my opinion the previous “lose a vote of confidence this badly and you are soon out” doesn’t apply here.
Lady Thatcher’s end had 2 key differences, she was wedded to community charge and wouldn’t U turn on it, and it was good old days of strong cabinets not cheerleaders, so big beasts rebelled, resigning from cabinet and those that remained telling her it’s over night before she withdrew from race she was in - none of that applies to this scenario.
The Sir John Major actually wasn’t soon removed by his party or gone within a year, don’t know how people can claim he was - it was soon so close to a General Election territory, like it is in this instance another vonc didn’t happen, many who fancied taking over wouldn’t have had much time as PM before possibly losing the election so much preferred waiting for a post election leadership race before beginning their era - very much like in this instance, so good reason why a Penny or Wally riding over the hill to save Tory’s from this purgatory before the general election isn’t going to happen now is it?
Theresa May, especially after losing the DUP over her deal, was a sitting duck for ERG vote strikes and pressure in a way Boris simply isn’t. The real pressure that led to her going was it was impossible for her to go on without passing the Brexit she was strapped to, again doesn’t apply here.
Anyone talking up Boris going soon is actually missing the bigger picture here - the Conservative Party has allowed itself to be hijacked by vacuous populism like the GOP in America. What is Johnsonism - especially fiscally - Is it even the good old winning Conservatism brand? Anyone thinking once Johnson goes all this mess instantly unwinds might be kidding themselves. Do Tory successors stick rigidly to Boris’s hard Brexit deal? Can Boris promises be achieved if they stop borrowing, taxing and spending? Can Johnsonsism even be achieved with high tax and borrowing for big spending, or does governing not work simple quick as that?
I remain sceptical he will be ousted now this side of a GE.
The fundamental issue is there is no obvious replacement who commands sufficient support from the membership.
And the membership will be looking for someone to be right of Boris on economics and just as hardline on Brexit.
wether it happens like that remains to be seen. Rather than call you plain wrong, let’s just wait and see. To be wedded to Boris Brexit is to be wedded to Fuck Business. To say Boris Brexit is sacrosanct because it’s perfect Brexit is just plain laughable.
Yes the Tories can off to the right HY if they want. But if they ever want to win again after Boris, they will have to come back to the centre.
The irony is that apart from Brexit Boris is pretty centrist, even more centrist than Cameron on economics. Hence he won a landslide general election victory for the Tories in 2019.
Once Boris goes the Tory leadership will likely move even further right just as Labour moved further left after Blair and Brown for the next decade
Will they start issuing "BlueShirts" for the Pure?
That would be terribly confusing (though entirely typical of Tory utter neglect and ignorance of Irish history): to play safe, it would have to be Blueshorts (like Roderick Spode's Blackshorts in the Wooster cycle).
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
Ooh, it's pretty!
Now there is someone at my level of competence on buying a car. And they are cheap. I wonder why?
This is why I think the monarchy may be in trouble when Charles becomes King. He's either not as careful as the Queen, or he doesn't agree that he should be so neutral as to be beyond suspicion.
And realistically, the man has led such an incredibly unusual life - there is going to be some issue where he is way out of touch with the public... eventually this will cause a pretty big controversy.
He's never going to learn to shut his mouth, is he?
This is very simple. It doesn't matter what HMG policy is or what party is in charge: you shut your mouth and never express an opinion.
If you do, you politicise the monarchy and that threatens it.
It's amazing he still hasn't learnt this in 70 years.
He interfered in the foxhunting debate a few years ago by saying he would consider leaving the country if it was banned. The reason the Queen is so popular is that she never gets involved in political debates.
Yes, I agree with him on Rwanda, and disagree on foxhunting, but basically the job descrpition specifies not expressing an opinion. I think he'd be much happier as a newspaper columnist, full of interesting and controversial ideas. Being like that and unable to express any of them sounds like a nightmare.
Well, of course you do - but bear in mind that works both ways: he might express an opinion you don't like about something you hold strong views on.
What ends up happening is that he'll end up politicising opposition against him from all sides.
If he can't take the heat then he should just abdicate/resign from the line. His Uncle did and so has his 2nd son (effectively) and no-one would begrudge him for it.
Yep. The one thing that could seriously menace the monarchy is a monarch getting political. Doesn’t matter whether its from the Left or Right
It might just be OK on fluffy issues like the environment, tho even there its better not (eg I have no idea if the Queen is Green, my Guess is Yes, but she’s brilliantly inscrutable who knows)
But expressing a view on.a wildly contentious subject like immigration? Grrr
Shut the fuck up, Charles. I hope the government is telling him that in no uncertain terms, and I hope that any government - left or right - would do the same in the future
Yes I agree. However. We've only reached this point because we've had 70 years of a Monarch who didn't express any opinions. There's no rule to say they can't. Nor any mechanism to stop them spouting off whenever, wherever and whatever they like. It's a fundamental feature of Monarchy that the Monarch is the Monarch whether anyone likes them or not. And Monarchists need to consider whether they are content with that.
Of course, the monarch is monarch by grace of God as affirmed at their coronation oath. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a Tory
So all erstwhile Conservatives who are atheists and agnostics ought to head off and support and donate to the Lib Dems instead, young HY?? Yes, I think you are right. And a lot of them are, of course.
You are not going to have very many left, are you? But I can live with that.
Well they certainly aren't Tories if they aren't staunch Royalists. Though in my experience plenty of clergy are LDs anyway
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
You are generally a sensible poster but you are in danger of falling into @HYUFD trap of havering
Though I think your comment may be tongue in cheek
HYUFD is in Epping, an Essex District. Not Havering, a neighbouring London Borough.
Or isn't that what you meant?
Haver: To talk nonsense, gibberish; to speak rubbish.
As sung by the lads Charlie and Craig in 500 miles of course
Outgoing Defence Minister and new Liberal Culture Warrior-In-Chief PeDu reckons he had a backchannel deal going with the US to lease two Virginias by 2030.
The Australians didn't cancel the French deal on perfomance (or lack of) grounds but using the 'convenience' clause which cost them $A840m.
First boat now expected in 2045 according to the new Defence Minister who is salty with PeDu for blabbing that AUKUS is more like AukUS.
They are going to MLU the Collins (because what else can they do?) in an exercise which will probably end up costing more than the SFB.
No! Never! AUKUS is the backbone of a new post-colonial world where BorisHRH Truss the UK will bestride the global stage once again.
[Waves flag to the sound of the National Anthem]
Slightly OT, but Australia is the only Anglophone nation with a good national anthem.
Apparently, when Aus decided to ditch 'Go Save the Queen', they put the alternative anthems to the public in a referendum. 'Waltzing Matilda' came second. In at third was Rolf Harris's 'Sun Arise'.
Waltzing Matilda is a banger. Probably just as well they avoided the Rolf number really.
The UK has good alternatives (I’m partial to Heart of Oak). Maybe when Queenie dies we can ditch God Save the Queen.
Oh dear. I've just checked and the bit about 'Sun Arise' appears to be some kind of false memory on my part.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
You are generally a sensible poster but you are in danger of falling into @HYUFD trap of havering
Though I think your comment may be tongue in cheek
HYUFD is in Epping, an Essex District. Not Havering, a neighbouring London Borough.
Or isn't that what you meant?
Haver: To talk nonsense, gibberish; to speak rubbish.
And as Malky kens fine, it does not mean 'to waver, hesitate'.
It means he is talking urine PS a pal for blethering
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
Outgoing Defence Minister and new Liberal Culture Warrior-In-Chief PeDu reckons he had a backchannel deal going with the US to lease two Virginias by 2030.
The Australians didn't cancel the French deal on perfomance (or lack of) grounds but using the 'convenience' clause which cost them $A840m.
First boat now expected in 2045 according to the new Defence Minister who is salty with PeDu for blabbing that AUKUS is more like AukUS.
They are going to MLU the Collins (because what else can they do?) in an exercise which will probably end up costing more than the SFB.
No! Never! AUKUS is the backbone of a new post-colonial world where BorisHRH Truss the UK will bestride the global stage once again.
[Waves flag to the sound of the National Anthem]
Slightly OT, but Australia is the only Anglophone nation with a good national anthem.
Apparently, when Aus decided to ditch 'Go Save the Queen', they put the alternative anthems to the public in a referendum. 'Waltzing Matilda' came second. In at third was Rolf Harris's 'Sun Arise'.
Waltzing Matilda is a banger. Probably just as well they avoided the Rolf number really.
The UK has good alternatives (I’m partial to Heart of Oak). Maybe when Queenie dies we can ditch God Save the Queen.
Given that Charles is male, I'd imagine the plan is to ditch God Save the Queen.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
If one has to have a 2.2 Vauxhall, a droop snoot Firenza would be a better bet. Cars like a Panther Lima basically have the wrong engine, anything of that ilk should have a V6 Ford Essex lump.
A gen 1 MX5 is an excellent choice. It ticks all the boxes. Late model 1800 manual from circa 1996/7 is best. Nothing under £3,500 is worth a look. Get it on ramps and look underneath, where the sill meets the wheel arch is weak pount. Avoid MK2 and 2.5, lots of corrosion in inner and outer sills, although they drive as well as the MK1.
I used to be big on older classics, but to be honest there are some dirt cheap nice condition 2000s classics which cost nothing, are more reliable, and if they fail you just weigh them in and start again.
I wouldn't dismiss a Boxster S, a proper Porsche for the price of an old Fiesta.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
If one has to have a 2.2 Vauxhall, a droop snoot Firenza would be a better bet. Cars like a Panther Lima basically have the wrong engine, anything of that ilk should have a V6 Ford Essex lump.
A gen 1 MX5 is an excellent choice. It ticks all the boxes. Late model 1800 manual from circa 1996/7 is best. Nothing under £3,500 is worth a look. Get it on ramps and look underneath, where the sill meets the wheel arch is weak pount. Avoid MK2 and 2.5, lots of corrosion in inner and outer sills, although they drive as well as the MK1.
I used to be big on older classics, but to be honest there are some dirt cheap nice condition 2000s classics which cost nothing, are more reliable, and if they fail you just weigh them in and start again.
I wouldn't dismiss a Boxster S, a proper Porsche for the price of an old Fiesta.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Weirdly, my experience is the opposite. I've seen a lot more viciously anti-English nonsense in Wales despite having lived there for a fraction of the time. Anti-English arseholery seems to be way out in the open in the valleys above Cardiff. Ponty and Merthyr have quite a cohort of idiots.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Weirdly, my experience is the opposite. I've seen a lot more viciously anti-English nonsense in Wales despite having lived there for a fraction of the time. Anti-English arseholery seems to be way out in the open in the valleys above Cardiff. Ponty and Merthyr have quite a cohort of idiots.
Agreed. I've never encountered a sniff of anglophobia in Scotland. In Wales it's detectable, particularly amongst grizzly old men in pubs muttering 'saes' under their breath.
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Weirdly, my experience is the opposite. I've seen a lot more viciously anti-English nonsense in Wales despite having lived there for a fraction of the time. Anti-English arseholery seems to be way out in the open in the valleys above Cardiff. Ponty and Merthyr have quite a cohort of idiots.
Agreed. I've never encountered a sniff of anglophobia in Scotland. In Wales it's detectable, particularly amongst grizzly old men in pubs muttering 'saes' under their breath.
We’re quite successful in converting Englishmen into Scotsmen. I think it’s the shortbread.
As a young man, Leo Tolstoy would ask to be escorted across the kitchen yard by a friend, so as to prevent him being overcome with lust by the sight of the bare legged serving wenches. Tolstoy was scared he might ravish the girls if he was unaccompanied
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecideds so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Weirdly, my experience is the opposite. I've seen a lot more viciously anti-English nonsense in Wales despite having lived there for a fraction of the time. Anti-English arseholery seems to be way out in the open in the valleys above Cardiff. Ponty and Merthyr have quite a cohort of idiots.
Agreed. I've never encountered a sniff of anglophobia in Scotland. In Wales it's detectable, particularly amongst grizzly old men in pubs muttering 'saes' under their breath.
I've seen it in Scotland. Not often, but it's there. And anti-Scottish nastiness in England, once or twice. Let's not kid ourselves that anywhere is free from this kind of thing.
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
As a young man, Leo Tolstoy would ask to be escorted across the kitchen yard by a friend, so as to prevent him being overcome with lust by the sight of the bare legged serving wenches. Tolstoy was scared he might ravish the girls if he was unaccompanied
The universal availability of porn on the internet has had the beneficial effect of helping to sate men's lust. Discuss.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
All 'costs' are opportunity costs as any fule shd kno.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
Wait til you find out about how the English feel about their betters, the French. It's wild.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
Wait til you find out about how the English feel about their betters, the French. It's wild.
Between the English and the French, the inferiority complex is weirdly mutual
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
How does your share in the Celtic inferiority complex manifest itself?
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
Wait til you find out about how the English feel about their betters, the French. It's wild.
The English have fought more wars against France than any other nation, then the Scots and the Welsh were effectively the first part in the British Empire followed by the Irish
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
Which still could not even get to the 47% of Welsh voters who voted against Brexit. Pathetic.
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
All 'costs' are opportunity costs as any fule shd kno.
Well yes, but to report this as an opportunity cost whilst ignoring the benefits which are 10x larger is just absurd, stupid, pig ignorant and dishonest (depending on the level of understanding of the reporters). Heaven knows, it is not as if there are not enough real things to criticise this government's economic policy about.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
How does your share in the Celtic inferiority complex manifest itself?
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
Which still could not even get to the 47% of Welsh voters who voted against Brexit. Pathetic.
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
Wales voted for Brexit. I don't think even the most ardently fissiparous Welsh nationalist would argue that Wales should be independent from itself.
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
But that sober analysis doesn’t make headlines, with a media who have decided the government can do nothing right. One expects better of the national broadcaster.
As a young man, Leo Tolstoy would ask to be escorted across the kitchen yard by a friend, so as to prevent him being overcome with lust by the sight of the bare legged serving wenches. Tolstoy was scared he might ravish the girls if he was unaccompanied
You should be here. Its so windy I think that there is a windchill factor. It is overcast and, other than the temperature, would readily pass for late October. Dreadful day.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
If one has to have a 2.2 Vauxhall, a droop snoot Firenza would be a better bet. Cars like a Panther Lima basically have the wrong engine, anything of that ilk should have a V6 Ford Essex lump.
A gen 1 MX5 is an excellent choice. It ticks all the boxes. Late model 1800 manual from circa 1996/7 is best. Nothing under £3,500 is worth a look. Get it on ramps and look underneath, where the sill meets the wheel arch is weak pount. Avoid MK2 and 2.5, lots of corrosion in inner and outer sills, although they drive as well as the MK1.
I used to be big on older classics, but to be honest there are some dirt cheap nice condition 2000s classics which cost nothing, are more reliable, and if they fail you just weigh them in and start again.
I wouldn't dismiss a Boxster S, a proper Porsche for the price of an old Fiesta.
Yes but you are missing the key factors:
Is it pretty and is it cheap?
Boxster looks great. £2.5k gets a rough Boxster S ()and it has to be an S) £5K gets an OK one. BMW Z4 and Merc SLKs similarly priced.
DA's suggestion of a series 1 MX5 is faultless. We have a '97 Eunos automatic in midnight blue, which is a lovely colour. Don't buy an auto, many Japanese Eunos imports are autos. For a great driving experience go manual. First registered UK cars are worth more. Mk 3 MX5s are now cheap and better built than earlier cars and early ones are pocket money prices
When you decide what you want, joining the owners club is worth the money. Research your car, check out websites like Honest John for pros and cons. See lots of cars before buying so you can work out for yourself what is a good or not so good car. My tip is also if it is shod with good quality branded tyres someone loves the car. If they stick on Chinese tyres, what else will they have skimped on?
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
But that sober analysis doesn’t make headlines, with a media who have decided the government can do nothing right. One expects better of the national broadcaster.
There appears to be a flaw in the institutional arrangements if the idea of securing a low rate of interest for the future by use of insurance would have jeopardised the independence of the Bank of England.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Bug G wears union jack underpants
To signal distress, you fly the flag upside down --> wear them on the head
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
Which still could not even get to the 47% of Welsh voters who voted against Brexit. Pathetic.
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
Wales voted for Brexit. I don't think even the most ardently fissiparous Welsh nationalist would argue that Wales should be independent from itself.
You do understand that he has not a clue what you are talking about don't you.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Bug G wears union jack underpants
To signal distress, you fly the flag upside down --> wear them on the head
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number if drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
There was an increase but this has largely dropped back and certainly does not arise in political debate
The debate is all around Boris and labour are the beneficiary as conservative mps face loosing all north wales seats
I am not furious about it as it is an irrelevance and if it became an issue then that would be different
Yesterday you accused me of laying flowers on Diana's death which is not only untrue but your dismissal of any form of sympathy for the family of the father and son killed in the TT was very unpleasant
You should be here. Its so windy I think that there is a windchill factor. It is overcast and, other than the temperature, would readily pass for late October. Dreadful day.
Little further north than you and it's cloud and sun and rain and wind and everything in quick succession. Impossible weather to dress for. Too warm for a coat, too cold in the wind to not have a coat. I headed out for an hour or two around lunchtime and it was no good out there.
You should be here. Its so windy I think that there is a windchill factor. It is overcast and, other than the temperature, would readily pass for late October. Dreadful day.
Little further north than you and it's cloud and sun and rain and wind and everything in quick succession. Impossible weather to dress for. Too warm for a coat, too cold in the wind to not have a coat. I headed out for an hour or two around lunchtime and it was no good out there.
Yesterday was somewhat similar. Not so much the usual 4 seasons in a day, more like 12.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Bug G wears union jack underpants
What utter garbage
However I do support the union and indyref2 would see Scots in a majority join me
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
People from some parts of Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion can be a little aloof to "Sais" invaders as with Caernarvonshire.
Basically any county that starts with a "C" be on your guard, everywhere else is fine.
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number if drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
There was an increase but this has largely dropped back and certainly does not arise in political debate
The debate is all around Boris and labour are the beneficiary as conservative mps face loosing all north wales seats
I am not furious about it as it is an irrelevance and if it became an issue then that would be different
Yesterday you accused me of laying flowers on Diana's death which is not only untrue but your dismissal of any form of sympathy for the family of the father and son killed in the TT was very unpleasant
I've thought about my comments last night, and I've come to the conclusion that I still don't give a fuck.
Another very disappointing performance at the test for England. Somehow, when it is our turn, I struggle to persuade myself that discipline, focus and a grinding determination to work through entire sessions, will be at the fore.
NZ by the best part of an innings looks more likely.
Steel yourself for a NZ score of 600 in their first innings.
Ooh, you optimist!
700/7dec is my guess.
Young Mr Potts finding life somewhat more difficult with the ball this weekend.
Edit: and just as I type that, it starts raining! England saved by the weather from an innings defeat here?
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
Which still could not even get to the 47% of Welsh voters who voted against Brexit. Pathetic.
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
Wales voted for Brexit. I don't think even the most ardently fissiparous Welsh nationalist would argue that Wales should be independent from itself.
You do understand that he has not a clue what you are talking about don't you.
If Johnson sticks around for the next two years then we're in for a really unpleasant time. These 'red meat' policies are only going to increase, turning this once great country into a cesspit of hate.
I know that a lot of you Conservatives on here agree about this, for which I'm grateful.
Good morning
We are doing our best supporting the 148 to remedy the problem
It's the next 32 you need to be working on, and they are steadfast in their support for BigDog.
I am not convinced, especially as 65 plus grassroots chairs are about to demand his resignation and Welsh conservatives about to declare independence from the party
New leader for Conference
In my opinion the previous “lose a vote of confidence this badly and you are soon out” doesn’t apply here.
Lady Thatcher’s end had 2 key differences, she was wedded to community charge and wouldn’t U turn on it, and it was good old days of strong cabinets not cheerleaders, so big beasts rebelled, resigning from cabinet and those that remained telling her it’s over night before she withdrew from race she was in - none of that applies to this scenario.
The Sir John Major actually wasn’t soon removed by his party or gone within a year, don’t know how people can claim he was - it was soon so close to a General Election territory, like it is in this instance another vonc didn’t happen, many who fancied taking over wouldn’t have had much time as PM before possibly losing the election so much preferred waiting for a post election leadership race before beginning their era - very much like in this instance, so good reason why a Penny or Wally riding over the hill to save Tory’s from this purgatory before the general election isn’t going to happen now is it?
Theresa May, especially after losing the DUP over her deal, was a sitting duck for ERG vote strikes and pressure in a way Boris simply isn’t. The real pressure that led to her going was it was impossible for her to go on without passing the Brexit she was strapped to, again doesn’t apply here.
Anyone talking up Boris going soon is actually missing the bigger picture here - the Conservative Party has allowed itself to be hijacked by vacuous populism like the GOP in America. What is Johnsonism - especially fiscally - Is it even the good old winning Conservatism brand? Anyone thinking once Johnson goes all this mess instantly unwinds might be kidding themselves. Do Tory successors stick rigidly to Boris’s hard Brexit deal? Can Boris promises be achieved if they stop borrowing, taxing and spending? Can Johnsonsism even be achieved with high tax and borrowing for big spending, or does governing not work simple quick as that?
I remain sceptical he will be ousted now this side of a GE.
The fundamental issue is there is no obvious replacement who commands sufficient support from the membership.
And the membership will be looking for someone to be right of Boris on economics and just as hardline on Brexit.
wether it happens like that remains to be seen. Rather than call you plain wrong, let’s just wait and see. To be wedded to Boris Brexit is to be wedded to Fuck Business. To say Boris Brexit is sacrosanct because it’s perfect Brexit is just plain laughable.
Yes the Tories can off to the right HY if they want. But if they ever want to win again after Boris, they will have to come back to the centre.
The irony is that apart from Brexit Boris is pretty centrist, even more centrist than Cameron on economics. Hence he won a landslide general election victory for the Tories in 2019.
Once Boris goes the Tory leadership will likely move even further right just as Labour moved further left after Blair and Brown for the next decade
Will they start issuing "BlueShirts" for the Pure?
That would be terribly confusing (though entirely typical of Tory utter neglect and ignorance of Irish history): to play safe, it would have to be Blueshorts (like Roderick Spode's Blackshorts in the Wooster cycle).
Another very disappointing performance at the test for England. Somehow, when it is our turn, I struggle to persuade myself that discipline, focus and a grinding determination to work through entire sessions, will be at the fore.
NZ by the best part of an innings looks more likely.
Steel yourself for a NZ score of 600 in their first innings.
Ooh, you optimist!
700/7dec is my guess.
Young Mr Potts finding life somewhat more difficult with the ball this weekend.
Edit: and just as I type that, it starts raining! England saved by the weather from an innings defeat here?
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
Why are so many august organisations obsessed with porn?
We need higher standards of moral hygiene.
Only 8%?
The answer to their question, of course, is a company almost no-one has heard of. MindGeek.
And I always thought Canadians were boring. I had never heard of it.
You've never heard of Justin Bieber, go on YouTube and watch some of his videos, you won't regret it.
I was introduced to his music when I was reading up on the 'paulstretch' algorithm. It's quite lovely (and would probably work on it's own as a sci-fi film soundtrack) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QspuCt1FM9M
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Bug G wears union jack underpants
To signal distress, you fly the flag upside down --> wear them on the head
What should you do if you go commando?
Have BigG complain about your disloyalty for not wearing Union Fleg keks?
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If you wanted to live life on the wild side get an early RX-8. It’ll be a hoot until the engine blows through the lid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_cricket_team_in_Australia_in_2002–03#1st_Test
Just needs a session of sensible, cautious batting on anything and then youve got a road for 2 days. As we see.
For example “Boris helped Tories get 36% in Wales 2019” - or it may just have been Corbyn and Brexit got the Tories to 36% 2019 - Boris over promising and zero delivering got the Tories to 6% in 2024.
Wales was the one place on local election night where Tory to Labour vote transfers were clearly going on to massive scale.
Mr. Sandpit, aye, a pleasant result, aided by Leclerc thoughtfully buggering up the first corner of his final flying lap and Verstappen very kindly encountering substantial traffic.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueshirts
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/fine-art-antiques/a-real-blueshirt-to-be-auctioned-at-whyte-s-1.2385691
Honestly,.... some people!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Australian_plebiscite_(National_Song)
Shame - I liked the idea that it was considered.
PS a pal for blethering
Edited extra bit: ahem, based on backing at 8.5 earlier.
A gen 1 MX5 is an excellent choice. It ticks all the boxes. Late model 1800 manual from circa 1996/7 is best. Nothing under £3,500 is worth a look. Get it on ramps and look underneath, where the sill meets the wheel arch is weak pount. Avoid MK2 and 2.5, lots of corrosion in inner and outer sills, although they drive as well as the MK1.
I used to be big on older classics, but to be honest there are some dirt cheap nice condition 2000s classics which cost nothing, are more reliable, and if they fail you just weigh them in and start again.
I wouldn't dismiss a Boxster S, a proper Porsche for the price of an old Fiesta.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Is it pretty and is it cheap?
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
Betting PostF1: I think the odds continue to underestimate Perez, so I've backed him on Betfair at 3.85 with a hedge set at 1.8.
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2022/06/azerbaijan-pre-qualifying-2022.html
Incidentally, Sainz has Ladbrokes odds of 17 so if you have a free bet backing that each way is worth a shot.
Edited extra bit: that's all for qualifying, not the race, of course.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
@Dura_Ace are you ok or are you still in shock?
They are very cheap so one does have to wonder why?
Also, I said support is up, not that it's near 50%, but since you ask there is one (outlier) poll that showed support at 46% excluding don't knows: https://2sjjwunnql41ia7ki31qqub1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Final_38028217-Wales-Poll-20210429_Private.pdf
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that:
support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
As a young man, Leo Tolstoy would ask to be escorted across the kitchen yard by a friend, so as to prevent him being overcome with lust by the sight of the bare legged serving wenches. Tolstoy was scared he might ravish the girls if he was unaccompanied
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd.
Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
We think they’re sexier, they think we always win
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
We need higher standards of moral hygiene.
The answer to their question, of course, is a company almost no-one has heard of. MindGeek.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61767856
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is?
You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
DA's suggestion of a series 1 MX5 is faultless. We have a '97 Eunos automatic in midnight blue, which is a lovely colour. Don't buy an auto, many Japanese Eunos imports are autos. For a great driving experience go manual. First registered UK cars are worth more. Mk 3 MX5s are now cheap and better built than earlier cars and early ones are pocket money prices
When you decide what you want, joining the owners club is worth the money. Research your car, check out websites like Honest John for pros and cons. See lots of cars before buying so you can work out for yourself what is a good or not so good car. My tip is also if it is shod with good quality branded tyres someone loves the car. If they stick on Chinese tyres, what else will they have skimped on?
Good luck
The debate is all around Boris and labour are the beneficiary as conservative mps face loosing all north wales seats
I am not furious about it as it is an irrelevance and if it became an issue then that would be different
Yesterday you accused me of laying flowers on Diana's death which is not only untrue but your dismissal of any form of sympathy for the family of the father and son killed in the TT was very unpleasant
However I do support the union and indyref2 would see Scots in a majority join me
Its over Malc
Basically any county that starts with a "C" be on your guard, everywhere else is fine.
700/7dec is my guess.
Young Mr Potts finding life somewhat more difficult with the ball this weekend.
Edit: and just as I type that, it starts raining! England saved by the weather from an innings defeat here?
Sorry.