Stokes choosing to bowl first shows he is fully behind the Strauss, Root captaincy theory 101 of being a spineless dweeb. Hussein, Cook and Vaughan are the models to follow
I do. Very poor, but Hussein generally had nuts and rebuilt England from the joke it became in the mid 90s. Vastly underrated captain and reformer of how we did things and built the foundation for the Vaughan success
If Johnson sticks around for the next two years then we're in for a really unpleasant time. These 'red meat' policies are only going to increase, turning this once great country into a cesspit of hate.
I know that a lot of you Conservatives on here agree about this, for which I'm grateful.
Good morning
We are doing our best supporting the 148 to remedy the problem
It's the next 32 you need to be working on, and they are steadfast in their support for BigDog.
I am not convinced, especially as 65 plus grassroots chairs are about to demand his resignation and Welsh conservatives about to declare independence from the party
New leader for Conference
In my opinion the previous “lose a vote of confidence this badly and you are soon out” doesn’t apply here.
Lady Thatcher’s end had 2 key differences, she was wedded to community charge and wouldn’t U turn on it, and it was good old days of strong cabinets not cheerleaders, so big beasts rebelled, resigning from cabinet and those that remained telling her it’s over night before she withdrew from race she was in - none of that applies to this scenario.
The Sir John Major actually wasn’t soon removed by his party or gone within a year, don’t know how people can claim he was - it was soon so close to a General Election territory, like it is in this instance another vonc didn’t happen, many who fancied taking over wouldn’t have had much time as PM before possibly losing the election so much preferred waiting for a post election leadership race before beginning their era - very much like in this instance, so good reason why a Penny or Wally riding over the hill to save Tory’s from this purgatory before the general election isn’t going to happen now is it?
Theresa May, especially after losing the DUP over her deal, was a sitting duck for ERG vote strikes and pressure in a way Boris simply isn’t. The real pressure that led to her going was it was impossible for her to go on without passing the Brexit she was strapped to, again doesn’t apply here.
Anyone talking up Boris going soon is actually missing the bigger picture here - the Conservative Party has allowed itself to be hijacked by vacuous populism like the GOP in America. What is Johnsonism - especially fiscally - Is it even the good old winning Conservatism brand? Anyone thinking once Johnson goes all this mess instantly unwinds might be kidding themselves. Do Tory successors stick rigidly to Boris’s hard Brexit deal? Can Boris promises be achieved if they stop borrowing, taxing and spending? Can Johnsonsism even be achieved with high tax and borrowing for big spending, or does governing not work simple quick as that?
I remain sceptical he will be ousted now this side of a GE.
The fundamental issue is there is no obvious replacement who commands sufficient support from the membership.
And the membership will be looking for someone to be right of Boris on economics and just as hardline on Brexit.
wether it happens like that remains to be seen. Rather than call you plain wrong, let’s just wait and see. To be wedded to Boris Brexit is to be wedded to Fuck Business. To say Boris Brexit is sacrosanct because it’s perfect Brexit is just plain laughable.
Yes the Tories can off to the right HY if they want. But if they ever want to win again after Boris, they will have to come back to the centre.
The irony is that apart from Brexit Boris is pretty centrist, even more centrist than Cameron on economics. Hence he won a landslide general election victory for the Tories in 2019.
Once Boris goes the Tory leadership will likely move even further right just as Labour moved further left after Blair and Brown for the next decade
Will they start issuing "BlueShirts" for the Pure?
That would be terribly confusing (though entirely typical of Tory utter neglect and ignorance of Irish history): to play safe, it would have to be Blueshorts (like Roderick Spode's Blackshorts in the Wooster cycle).
Stokes choosing to bowl first shows he is fully behind the Strauss, Root captaincy theory 101 of being a spineless dweeb. Hussein, Cook and Vaughan are the models to follow
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
You are generally a sensible poster but you are in danger of falling into @HYUFD trap of havering
Though I think your comment may be tongue in cheek
HYUFD is in Epping, an Essex District. Not Havering, a neighbouring London Borough.
Or isn't that what you meant?
Haver: To talk nonsense, gibberish; to speak rubbish.
And as Malky kens fine, it does not mean 'to waver, hesitate'.
If Johnson sticks around for the next two years then we're in for a really unpleasant time. These 'red meat' policies are only going to increase, turning this once great country into a cesspit of hate.
I know that a lot of you Conservatives on here agree about this, for which I'm grateful.
Good morning
We are doing our best supporting the 148 to remedy the problem
It's the next 32 you need to be working on, and they are steadfast in their support for BigDog.
I am not convinced, especially as 65 plus grassroots chairs are about to demand his resignation and Welsh conservatives about to declare independence from the party
New leader for Conference
In my opinion the previous “lose a vote of confidence this badly and you are soon out” doesn’t apply here.
Lady Thatcher’s end had 2 key differences, she was wedded to community charge and wouldn’t U turn on it, and it was good old days of strong cabinets not cheerleaders, so big beasts rebelled, resigning from cabinet and those that remained telling her it’s over night before she withdrew from race she was in - none of that applies to this scenario.
The Sir John Major actually wasn’t soon removed by his party or gone within a year, don’t know how people can claim he was - it was soon so close to a General Election territory, like it is in this instance another vonc didn’t happen, many who fancied taking over wouldn’t have had much time as PM before possibly losing the election so much preferred waiting for a post election leadership race before beginning their era - very much like in this instance, so good reason why a Penny or Wally riding over the hill to save Tory’s from this purgatory before the general election isn’t going to happen now is it?
Theresa May, especially after losing the DUP over her deal, was a sitting duck for ERG vote strikes and pressure in a way Boris simply isn’t. The real pressure that led to her going was it was impossible for her to go on without passing the Brexit she was strapped to, again doesn’t apply here.
Anyone talking up Boris going soon is actually missing the bigger picture here - the Conservative Party has allowed itself to be hijacked by vacuous populism like the GOP in America. What is Johnsonism - especially fiscally - Is it even the good old winning Conservatism brand? Anyone thinking once Johnson goes all this mess instantly unwinds might be kidding themselves. Do Tory successors stick rigidly to Boris’s hard Brexit deal? Can Boris promises be achieved if they stop borrowing, taxing and spending? Can Johnsonsism even be achieved with high tax and borrowing for big spending, or does governing not work simple quick as that?
I remain sceptical he will be ousted now this side of a GE.
The fundamental issue is there is no obvious replacement who commands sufficient support from the membership.
And the membership will be looking for someone to be right of Boris on economics and just as hardline on Brexit.
wether it happens like that remains to be seen. Rather than call you plain wrong, let’s just wait and see. To be wedded to Boris Brexit is to be wedded to Fuck Business. To say Boris Brexit is sacrosanct because it’s perfect Brexit is just plain laughable.
Yes the Tories can off to the right HY if they want. But if they ever want to win again after Boris, they will have to come back to the centre.
The irony is that apart from Brexit Boris is pretty centrist, even more centrist than Cameron on economics. Hence he won a landslide general election victory for the Tories in 2019.
Once Boris goes the Tory leadership will likely move even further right just as Labour moved further left after Blair and Brown for the next decade
Will they start issuing "BlueShirts" for the Pure?
That would be terribly confusing (though entirely typical of Tory utter neglect and ignorance of Irish history): to play safe, it would have to be Blueshorts (like Roderick Spode's Blackshorts in the Wooster cycle).
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
Ooh, it's pretty!
Now there is someone at my level of competence on buying a car. And they are cheap. I wonder why?
This is why I think the monarchy may be in trouble when Charles becomes King. He's either not as careful as the Queen, or he doesn't agree that he should be so neutral as to be beyond suspicion.
And realistically, the man has led such an incredibly unusual life - there is going to be some issue where he is way out of touch with the public... eventually this will cause a pretty big controversy.
He's never going to learn to shut his mouth, is he?
This is very simple. It doesn't matter what HMG policy is or what party is in charge: you shut your mouth and never express an opinion.
If you do, you politicise the monarchy and that threatens it.
It's amazing he still hasn't learnt this in 70 years.
He interfered in the foxhunting debate a few years ago by saying he would consider leaving the country if it was banned. The reason the Queen is so popular is that she never gets involved in political debates.
Yes, I agree with him on Rwanda, and disagree on foxhunting, but basically the job descrpition specifies not expressing an opinion. I think he'd be much happier as a newspaper columnist, full of interesting and controversial ideas. Being like that and unable to express any of them sounds like a nightmare.
Well, of course you do - but bear in mind that works both ways: he might express an opinion you don't like about something you hold strong views on.
What ends up happening is that he'll end up politicising opposition against him from all sides.
If he can't take the heat then he should just abdicate/resign from the line. His Uncle did and so has his 2nd son (effectively) and no-one would begrudge him for it.
Yep. The one thing that could seriously menace the monarchy is a monarch getting political. Doesn’t matter whether its from the Left or Right
It might just be OK on fluffy issues like the environment, tho even there its better not (eg I have no idea if the Queen is Green, my Guess is Yes, but she’s brilliantly inscrutable who knows)
But expressing a view on.a wildly contentious subject like immigration? Grrr
Shut the fuck up, Charles. I hope the government is telling him that in no uncertain terms, and I hope that any government - left or right - would do the same in the future
Yes I agree. However. We've only reached this point because we've had 70 years of a Monarch who didn't express any opinions. There's no rule to say they can't. Nor any mechanism to stop them spouting off whenever, wherever and whatever they like. It's a fundamental feature of Monarchy that the Monarch is the Monarch whether anyone likes them or not. And Monarchists need to consider whether they are content with that.
Of course, the monarch is monarch by grace of God as affirmed at their coronation oath. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a Tory
So all erstwhile Conservatives who are atheists and agnostics ought to head off and support and donate to the Lib Dems instead, young HY?? Yes, I think you are right. And a lot of them are, of course.
You are not going to have very many left, are you? But I can live with that.
Well they certainly aren't Tories if they aren't staunch Royalists. Though in my experience plenty of clergy are LDs anyway
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
You are generally a sensible poster but you are in danger of falling into @HYUFD trap of havering
Though I think your comment may be tongue in cheek
HYUFD is in Epping, an Essex District. Not Havering, a neighbouring London Borough.
Or isn't that what you meant?
Haver: To talk nonsense, gibberish; to speak rubbish.
As sung by the lads Charlie and Craig in 500 miles of course
Outgoing Defence Minister and new Liberal Culture Warrior-In-Chief PeDu reckons he had a backchannel deal going with the US to lease two Virginias by 2030.
The Australians didn't cancel the French deal on perfomance (or lack of) grounds but using the 'convenience' clause which cost them $A840m.
First boat now expected in 2045 according to the new Defence Minister who is salty with PeDu for blabbing that AUKUS is more like AukUS.
They are going to MLU the Collins (because what else can they do?) in an exercise which will probably end up costing more than the SFB.
No! Never! AUKUS is the backbone of a new post-colonial world where BorisHRH Truss the UK will bestride the global stage once again.
[Waves flag to the sound of the National Anthem]
Slightly OT, but Australia is the only Anglophone nation with a good national anthem.
Apparently, when Aus decided to ditch 'Go Save the Queen', they put the alternative anthems to the public in a referendum. 'Waltzing Matilda' came second. In at third was Rolf Harris's 'Sun Arise'.
Waltzing Matilda is a banger. Probably just as well they avoided the Rolf number really.
The UK has good alternatives (I’m partial to Heart of Oak). Maybe when Queenie dies we can ditch God Save the Queen.
Oh dear. I've just checked and the bit about 'Sun Arise' appears to be some kind of false memory on my part.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
You are generally a sensible poster but you are in danger of falling into @HYUFD trap of havering
Though I think your comment may be tongue in cheek
HYUFD is in Epping, an Essex District. Not Havering, a neighbouring London Borough.
Or isn't that what you meant?
Haver: To talk nonsense, gibberish; to speak rubbish.
And as Malky kens fine, it does not mean 'to waver, hesitate'.
It means he is talking urine PS a pal for blethering
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
Outgoing Defence Minister and new Liberal Culture Warrior-In-Chief PeDu reckons he had a backchannel deal going with the US to lease two Virginias by 2030.
The Australians didn't cancel the French deal on perfomance (or lack of) grounds but using the 'convenience' clause which cost them $A840m.
First boat now expected in 2045 according to the new Defence Minister who is salty with PeDu for blabbing that AUKUS is more like AukUS.
They are going to MLU the Collins (because what else can they do?) in an exercise which will probably end up costing more than the SFB.
No! Never! AUKUS is the backbone of a new post-colonial world where BorisHRH Truss the UK will bestride the global stage once again.
[Waves flag to the sound of the National Anthem]
Slightly OT, but Australia is the only Anglophone nation with a good national anthem.
Apparently, when Aus decided to ditch 'Go Save the Queen', they put the alternative anthems to the public in a referendum. 'Waltzing Matilda' came second. In at third was Rolf Harris's 'Sun Arise'.
Waltzing Matilda is a banger. Probably just as well they avoided the Rolf number really.
The UK has good alternatives (I’m partial to Heart of Oak). Maybe when Queenie dies we can ditch God Save the Queen.
Given that Charles is male, I'd imagine the plan is to ditch God Save the Queen.
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
If one has to have a 2.2 Vauxhall, a droop snoot Firenza would be a better bet. Cars like a Panther Lima basically have the wrong engine, anything of that ilk should have a V6 Ford Essex lump.
A gen 1 MX5 is an excellent choice. It ticks all the boxes. Late model 1800 manual from circa 1996/7 is best. Nothing under £3,500 is worth a look. Get it on ramps and look underneath, where the sill meets the wheel arch is weak pount. Avoid MK2 and 2.5, lots of corrosion in inner and outer sills, although they drive as well as the MK1.
I used to be big on older classics, but to be honest there are some dirt cheap nice condition 2000s classics which cost nothing, are more reliable, and if they fail you just weigh them in and start again.
I wouldn't dismiss a Boxster S, a proper Porsche for the price of an old Fiesta.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
If one has to have a 2.2 Vauxhall, a droop snoot Firenza would be a better bet. Cars like a Panther Lima basically have the wrong engine, anything of that ilk should have a V6 Ford Essex lump.
A gen 1 MX5 is an excellent choice. It ticks all the boxes. Late model 1800 manual from circa 1996/7 is best. Nothing under £3,500 is worth a look. Get it on ramps and look underneath, where the sill meets the wheel arch is weak pount. Avoid MK2 and 2.5, lots of corrosion in inner and outer sills, although they drive as well as the MK1.
I used to be big on older classics, but to be honest there are some dirt cheap nice condition 2000s classics which cost nothing, are more reliable, and if they fail you just weigh them in and start again.
I wouldn't dismiss a Boxster S, a proper Porsche for the price of an old Fiesta.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Weirdly, my experience is the opposite. I've seen a lot more viciously anti-English nonsense in Wales despite having lived there for a fraction of the time. Anti-English arseholery seems to be way out in the open in the valleys above Cardiff. Ponty and Merthyr have quite a cohort of idiots.
Agreed. I've never encountered a sniff of anglophobia in Scotland. In Wales it's detectable, particularly amongst grizzly old men in pubs muttering 'saes' under their breath.
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Weirdly, my experience is the opposite. I've seen a lot more viciously anti-English nonsense in Wales despite having lived there for a fraction of the time. Anti-English arseholery seems to be way out in the open in the valleys above Cardiff. Ponty and Merthyr have quite a cohort of idiots.
Agreed. I've never encountered a sniff of anglophobia in Scotland. In Wales it's detectable, particularly amongst grizzly old men in pubs muttering 'saes' under their breath.
We’re quite successful in converting Englishmen into Scotsmen. I think it’s the shortbread.
As a young man, Leo Tolstoy would ask to be escorted across the kitchen yard by a friend, so as to prevent him being overcome with lust by the sight of the bare legged serving wenches. Tolstoy was scared he might ravish the girls if he was unaccompanied
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecideds so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
As a young man, Leo Tolstoy would ask to be escorted across the kitchen yard by a friend, so as to prevent him being overcome with lust by the sight of the bare legged serving wenches. Tolstoy was scared he might ravish the girls if he was unaccompanied
The universal availability of porn on the internet has had the beneficial effect of helping to sate men's lust. Discuss.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
All 'costs' are opportunity costs as any fule shd kno.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
Wait til you find out about how the English feel about their betters, the French. It's wild.
Between the English and the French, the inferiority complex is weirdly mutual
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
How does your share in the Celtic inferiority complex manifest itself?
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
Wait til you find out about how the English feel about their betters, the French. It's wild.
The English have fought more wars against France than any other nation, then the Scots and the Welsh were effectively the first part in the British Empire followed by the Irish
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
Which still could not even get to the 47% of Welsh voters who voted against Brexit. Pathetic.
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
All 'costs' are opportunity costs as any fule shd kno.
Well yes, but to report this as an opportunity cost whilst ignoring the benefits which are 10x larger is just absurd, stupid, pig ignorant and dishonest (depending on the level of understanding of the reporters). Heaven knows, it is not as if there are not enough real things to criticise this government's economic policy about.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
It’s not distaste, it’s an inferiority complex. All the Celtic nations suffer from it. And I speak as a Celt
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
How does your share in the Celtic inferiority complex manifest itself?
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
But that sober analysis doesn’t make headlines, with a media who have decided the government can do nothing right. One expects better of the national broadcaster.
As a young man, Leo Tolstoy would ask to be escorted across the kitchen yard by a friend, so as to prevent him being overcome with lust by the sight of the bare legged serving wenches. Tolstoy was scared he might ravish the girls if he was unaccompanied
You should be here. Its so windy I think that there is a windchill factor. It is overcast and, other than the temperature, would readily pass for late October. Dreadful day.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
If one has to have a 2.2 Vauxhall, a droop snoot Firenza would be a better bet. Cars like a Panther Lima basically have the wrong engine, anything of that ilk should have a V6 Ford Essex lump.
A gen 1 MX5 is an excellent choice. It ticks all the boxes. Late model 1800 manual from circa 1996/7 is best. Nothing under £3,500 is worth a look. Get it on ramps and look underneath, where the sill meets the wheel arch is weak pount. Avoid MK2 and 2.5, lots of corrosion in inner and outer sills, although they drive as well as the MK1.
I used to be big on older classics, but to be honest there are some dirt cheap nice condition 2000s classics which cost nothing, are more reliable, and if they fail you just weigh them in and start again.
I wouldn't dismiss a Boxster S, a proper Porsche for the price of an old Fiesta.
Yes but you are missing the key factors:
Is it pretty and is it cheap?
Boxster looks great. £2.5k gets a rough Boxster S ()and it has to be an S) £5K gets an OK one. BMW Z4 and Merc SLKs similarly priced.
DA's suggestion of a series 1 MX5 is faultless. We have a '97 Eunos automatic in midnight blue, which is a lovely colour. Don't buy an auto, many Japanese Eunos imports are autos. For a great driving experience go manual. First registered UK cars are worth more. Mk 3 MX5s are now cheap and better built than earlier cars and early ones are pocket money prices
When you decide what you want, joining the owners club is worth the money. Research your car, check out websites like Honest John for pros and cons. See lots of cars before buying so you can work out for yourself what is a good or not so good car. My tip is also if it is shod with good quality branded tyres someone loves the car. If they stick on Chinese tyres, what else will they have skimped on?
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Finally got around to the story that Sunak had cost us £11bn by failing to insure our debt against a rise in interest rates. What absolute, unadulterated tripe it proves to be: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61754394
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd. Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
But that sober analysis doesn’t make headlines, with a media who have decided the government can do nothing right. One expects better of the national broadcaster.
There appears to be a flaw in the institutional arrangements if the idea of securing a low rate of interest for the future by use of insurance would have jeopardised the independence of the Bank of England.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
Which still could not even get to the 47% of Welsh voters who voted against Brexit. Pathetic.
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
Wales voted for Brexit. I don't think even the most ardently fissiparous Welsh nationalist would argue that Wales should be independent from itself.
You do understand that he has not a clue what you are talking about don't you.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Bug G wears union jack underpants
To signal distress, you fly the flag upside down --> wear them on the head
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number if drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
There was an increase but this has largely dropped back and certainly does not arise in political debate
The debate is all around Boris and labour are the beneficiary as conservative mps face loosing all north wales seats
I am not furious about it as it is an irrelevance and if it became an issue then that would be different
Yesterday you accused me of laying flowers on Diana's death which is not only untrue but your dismissal of any form of sympathy for the family of the father and son killed in the TT was very unpleasant
You should be here. Its so windy I think that there is a windchill factor. It is overcast and, other than the temperature, would readily pass for late October. Dreadful day.
Little further north than you and it's cloud and sun and rain and wind and everything in quick succession. Impossible weather to dress for. Too warm for a coat, too cold in the wind to not have a coat. I headed out for an hour or two around lunchtime and it was no good out there.
Yesterday was somewhat similar. Not so much the usual 4 seasons in a day, more like 12.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Bug G wears union jack underpants
What utter garbage
However I do support the union and indyref2 would see Scots in a majority join me
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
When I have been in Wales, there does seem to be a mild intolerance of "The English" and it gets stronger the further west you go, but it is a pale shadow of the Scottish attitudes I have come across and been invited to "approve" because I am obviously not English the moment I say anything. In N Ireland there are areas of outright hatred of England and even in southern Ireland there are people who still go on about the Black & Tans and their support for the regime in Dublin Castle.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
People from some parts of Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion can be a little aloof to "Sais" invaders as with Caernarvonshire.
Basically any county that starts with a "C" be on your guard, everywhere else is fine.
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
Another very disappointing performance at the test for England. Somehow, when it is our turn, I struggle to persuade myself that discipline, focus and a grinding determination to work through entire sessions, will be at the fore.
NZ by the best part of an innings looks more likely.
Steel yourself for a NZ score of 600 in their first innings.
Ooh, you optimist!
700/7dec is my guess.
Young Mr Potts finding life somewhat more difficult with the ball this weekend.
Edit: and just as I type that, it starts raining! England saved by the weather from an innings defeat here?
If Johnson sticks around for the next two years then we're in for a really unpleasant time. These 'red meat' policies are only going to increase, turning this once great country into a cesspit of hate.
I know that a lot of you Conservatives on here agree about this, for which I'm grateful.
Good morning
We are doing our best supporting the 148 to remedy the problem
It's the next 32 you need to be working on, and they are steadfast in their support for BigDog.
I am not convinced, especially as 65 plus grassroots chairs are about to demand his resignation and Welsh conservatives about to declare independence from the party
New leader for Conference
In my opinion the previous “lose a vote of confidence this badly and you are soon out” doesn’t apply here.
Lady Thatcher’s end had 2 key differences, she was wedded to community charge and wouldn’t U turn on it, and it was good old days of strong cabinets not cheerleaders, so big beasts rebelled, resigning from cabinet and those that remained telling her it’s over night before she withdrew from race she was in - none of that applies to this scenario.
The Sir John Major actually wasn’t soon removed by his party or gone within a year, don’t know how people can claim he was - it was soon so close to a General Election territory, like it is in this instance another vonc didn’t happen, many who fancied taking over wouldn’t have had much time as PM before possibly losing the election so much preferred waiting for a post election leadership race before beginning their era - very much like in this instance, so good reason why a Penny or Wally riding over the hill to save Tory’s from this purgatory before the general election isn’t going to happen now is it?
Theresa May, especially after losing the DUP over her deal, was a sitting duck for ERG vote strikes and pressure in a way Boris simply isn’t. The real pressure that led to her going was it was impossible for her to go on without passing the Brexit she was strapped to, again doesn’t apply here.
Anyone talking up Boris going soon is actually missing the bigger picture here - the Conservative Party has allowed itself to be hijacked by vacuous populism like the GOP in America. What is Johnsonism - especially fiscally - Is it even the good old winning Conservatism brand? Anyone thinking once Johnson goes all this mess instantly unwinds might be kidding themselves. Do Tory successors stick rigidly to Boris’s hard Brexit deal? Can Boris promises be achieved if they stop borrowing, taxing and spending? Can Johnsonsism even be achieved with high tax and borrowing for big spending, or does governing not work simple quick as that?
I remain sceptical he will be ousted now this side of a GE.
The fundamental issue is there is no obvious replacement who commands sufficient support from the membership.
And the membership will be looking for someone to be right of Boris on economics and just as hardline on Brexit.
wether it happens like that remains to be seen. Rather than call you plain wrong, let’s just wait and see. To be wedded to Boris Brexit is to be wedded to Fuck Business. To say Boris Brexit is sacrosanct because it’s perfect Brexit is just plain laughable.
Yes the Tories can off to the right HY if they want. But if they ever want to win again after Boris, they will have to come back to the centre.
The irony is that apart from Brexit Boris is pretty centrist, even more centrist than Cameron on economics. Hence he won a landslide general election victory for the Tories in 2019.
Once Boris goes the Tory leadership will likely move even further right just as Labour moved further left after Blair and Brown for the next decade
Will they start issuing "BlueShirts" for the Pure?
That would be terribly confusing (though entirely typical of Tory utter neglect and ignorance of Irish history): to play safe, it would have to be Blueshorts (like Roderick Spode's Blackshorts in the Wooster cycle).
Another very disappointing performance at the test for England. Somehow, when it is our turn, I struggle to persuade myself that discipline, focus and a grinding determination to work through entire sessions, will be at the fore.
NZ by the best part of an innings looks more likely.
Steel yourself for a NZ score of 600 in their first innings.
Ooh, you optimist!
700/7dec is my guess.
Young Mr Potts finding life somewhat more difficult with the ball this weekend.
Edit: and just as I type that, it starts raining! England saved by the weather from an innings defeat here?
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
Why are so many august organisations obsessed with porn?
We need higher standards of moral hygiene.
Only 8%?
The answer to their question, of course, is a company almost no-one has heard of. MindGeek.
And I always thought Canadians were boring. I had never heard of it.
You've never heard of Justin Bieber, go on YouTube and watch some of his videos, you won't regret it.
I was introduced to his music when I was reading up on the 'paulstretch' algorithm. It's quite lovely (and would probably work on it's own as a sci-fi film soundtrack) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QspuCt1FM9M
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Bug G wears union jack underpants
To signal distress, you fly the flag upside down --> wear them on the head
What should you do if you go commando?
Have BigG complain about your disloyalty for not wearing Union Fleg keks?
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number if drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
There was an increase but this has largely dropped back and certainly does not arise in political debate
The debate is all around Boris and labour are the beneficiary as conservative mps face loosing all north wales seats
I am not furious about it as it is an irrelevance and if it became an issue then that would be different
Yesterday you accused me of laying flowers on Diana's death which is not only untrue but your dismissal of any form of sympathy for the family of the father and son killed in the TT was very unpleasant
I've thought about my comments last night, and I've come to the conclusion that I still don't give a fuck.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
Which still could not even get to the 47% of Welsh voters who voted against Brexit. Pathetic.
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
Wales voted for Brexit. I don't think even the most ardently fissiparous Welsh nationalist would argue that Wales should be independent from itself.
52.5% of Wales did, 47.5% of Wales didn't.
Given Brexit is supposed to have given momentum to Scottish independence and a united Ireland as both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted against it (in fact far less than anti Brexiteers claim but that is their argument), then Brexit should also have given momentum to Welsh independence given 47% of Welsh voters voted against Brexit. Yet support for Welsh independence cannot even get that
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
So HYUFD is insisting on playing your specified game of football to the rules of tiddlywinks, having found that suddenly wielding a caman does not yield the result he wants?
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
I hope she realised Blackpool and Birmingham now both each have 1 Tory MP? They may not be the wealthiest or most educated places (apart from Edgbaston in Birmingham) but they have seats we need to hold
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
Wait! They have to apologise for honesty now????? Wow!
Just struck by the way in which the person responsible for the UK's digital strategy can't even remember, a week or two later,
(a) where she was
and/or
(b) the difference between Blackpool and Brum - you'd think that this tower thingy, not to mention sea, sand and donkeys, would be a useful criterion, ditto canals and ring road in the latter.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
I hope she realised Blackpool and Birmingham now both each have 1 Tory MP? They may not be the wealthiest or most educated places (apart from Edgbaston in Birmingham) but they have seats we need to hold
Ideally, she would try to be polite about residents anywhere in the UK, whether they have a Tory MP or not.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
I hope she realised Blackpool and Birmingham now both each have 1 Tory MP? They may not be the wealthiest or most educated places (apart from Edgbaston in Birmingham) but they have seats we need to hold
Ideally, she would try being to be polite about residents anywhere in the UK, whether they have a Tory MP or not.
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
They are very cheap so one does have to wonder why?
They are cheap because nobody wants them. Nobody wants them because they are bad cars from a weird, defunct brand.
You’re right on that one! MX-5, GT86, 986 Boxster, all cheap-ish fun and with huge aftermarket support behind them.
I was disappointed that I hadn't heard from you @Sandpit until now. I will look into your suggestions.
I’ve been trying to watch cricket and F1 at the same time, while also cleaning the house as I’d promised wifey I’d do yesterday.
Dura is right that you want a weekend car that has good community support. If you’ve got something there’s only a few dozen of, you’ll have a nightmare finding even basic consumable stuff like brakes and suspension, let alone bodywork or interior pieces.
An MX-5 (Miata, Eunos) is the most bang for the buck you can have outside @SeanT’s favourite Bangkok brothel. Just make sure it’s not a rusty one!
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
It isn't on the rise 80% of AMs are Unionists and the Nationalists cannot even get barely more than half the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain in 2016. That is pretty pathetic
I said support for independence, not support for Plaid Cymru, dumbo.
That IS support for independence.
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
You actually don't realise that people support independence without supporting Plaid? Despite the fact that support for independence is now above the level of support for Plaid Cymru?
Also also, I said nothing about the Remain vote. That's your frame for looking at things; I have never said Remain was a driver for the rise.
Honestly, you're all over the place trying to fight straw men, when the only thing you need to know is that: support for Welsh independence is up
Give your head a little shake, you've got no focus at all. Get a coffee, look at the numbers, and stop being so obtuse.
So you find ONE poll putting Yes on 42% including undecided so still 5% below even the 47% of Welsh voters who voted Remain.
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Yes, you told me to find ONE poll, and so I did. And I did that as a courtesy even though it's nothing to do with my point that Welsh independence support is up.
You can't handle this conversation on my terms, so I tried it on your terms. And you still can't handle it.
Which still could not even get to the 47% of Welsh voters who voted against Brexit. Pathetic.
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
Wales voted for Brexit. I don't think even the most ardently fissiparous Welsh nationalist would argue that Wales should be independent from itself.
52.5% of Wales did, 47.5% of Wales didn't.
Given Brexit is supposed to have given momentum to Scottish independence and a united Ireland as both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted against it (in fact far less than anti Brexiteers claim but that is their argument), then Brexit should also have given momentum to Welsh independence given 47% of Welsh voters voted against Brexit. Yet support for Welsh independence cannot even get that
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
I hope she realised Blackpool and Birmingham now both each have 1 Tory MP? They may not be the wealthiest or most educated places (apart from Edgbaston in Birmingham) but they have seats we need to hold
Ideally, she would try being to be polite about residents anywhere in the UK, whether they have a Tory MP or not.
Ideally but she could be as rude as she liked about Islington or Bristol or Manchester or Glasgow and it wouldn't matter to the Tories as they have zero MPs there and zero chance of winning any.
Boris however needs to hold the Tory seats in Birmingham and Blackpool to keep his majority
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
Wait! They have to apologise for honesty now????? Wow!
Just struck by the way in which the person responsible for the UK's digital strategy can't even remember, a week or two later,
(a) where she was
and/or
(b) the difference between Blackpool and Brum - you'd think that this tower thingy, not to mention sea, sand and donkeys, would be a useful criterion, ditto canals and ring road in the latter.
Just possibly she was referring to the banality and utter interchangeability of Conferences. But hey, have a dig. Still a better point than the £11bn "lost" by Sunak.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
I hope she realised Blackpool and Birmingham now both each have 1 Tory MP? They may not be the wealthiest or most educated places (apart from Edgbaston in Birmingham) but they have seats we need to hold
Edgbaston isn't like it was back in Jill Knight's day.
Heather Wheeler strikes me as an obnoxious snob. It doesn't mean she isn't right though.
Birmingham: what the Luftwaffe missed, the town planners hit.
The weather gets so bad in Nottingham, that they even have a sponsor for the pitch cover!
It gets a fair bit of TV coverage. The prospects of England being able to drag this match into a fourth day before their inevitable defeat are improving slightly with this delay.
Ok off topic and one for others particularly @Dura_Ace to roll around laughing at (an engineer friend of mine did): For various reasons I am thinking about getting a classic car (of sorts). I am incompetent at anything practical and don't want to spend much so was thinking of a mint Panther Lima.
Comments?
Someone might need to check @Dura_Ace hasn't died laughing.
For fuck's sake...
We'll leave aside the fact that they were total crap when they were new.
People frequently solicit my advice about buying an older car and I'll you what I always tell them.
Do not buy anything that has no aftermarket support. The aftermarket support for Panthers is probably nothing more than various group therapy sessions for men in cardigans who had one once. Vauxhall mechanicals of that era are far less well supported than the equivalent Fords.
All the money and arseache in 'classic' car projects is in the bodywork because you can't do it yourself and it makes little sense do it in small chunks. Get the best and least rusty body you can find.
If you want that type of car get a first Gen MX-5 / Miata / Eunos Roadster. They are simple to work on, fun to drive, boringly reliable and every single part you could ever want is readily available in a multitude of forms in the aftermarket.
Panther Lima... fuck me...
Well I am going to take that as an endorsement from @Dura_Ace with only one 'fuck's sake' and one 'fuck me' in it and I particularly liked @DecrepiterJohnL pictures and telling me I will look like Noddy.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
They are very cheap so one does have to wonder why?
They are cheap because nobody wants them. Nobody wants them because they are bad cars from a weird, defunct brand.
You’re right on that one! MX-5, GT86, 986 Boxster, all cheap-ish fun and with huge aftermarket support behind them.
I was disappointed that I hadn't heard from you @Sandpit until now. I will look into your suggestions.
I’ve been trying to watch cricket and F1 at the same time, while also cleaning the house as I’d promised wifey I’d do yesterday.
Dura is right that you want a weekend car that has good community support. If you’ve got something there’s only a few dozen of, you’ll have a nightmare finding even basic consumable stuff like brakes and suspension, let alone bodywork or interior pieces.
An MX-5 (Miata, Eunos) is the most bang for the buck you can have outside @SeanT’s favourite Bangkok brothel. Just make sure it’s not a rusty one!
Cheers @Sandpit . I can't complain that you can't do 4 things at the same time when I can't do 2.
I see the Welsh conservatives are considering a breakaway now..
Can’t blame them. You wouldn’t want to be tethered to BoJos party
Anyone with any doubt about how toxic Boris is in some quarters need only look at how Welsh independence polls have shifted. Pre Boris, with the standard "Should Wales be an independent country?" question, the average was about 17%. Since Boris became PM, 17% is the minimum, and it was an outlier. The outlier on the maximum side was a staggering 42%. There have been two polls with support in the 30s. The mean seems to be at around 25%.
Note that this is an electorate that has seen a Scottish indyref and an EU ref, so is far from naive. And in the latter actually voted FOR Brexit, so what could be driving the increase in Welsh independence support since Boris became PM, if not Boris?
What a load of rubbish. Under Johnson the Tories got 36% in Wales in 2019, their highest voteshare in 100 years there.
25% in a referendum is a landslide defeat and Plaid even lost seats in this year's local elections.
Wales having a sister Tory party like the CSU in Bavaria for the German CDU is no problem at all
You can't argue with facts. Boris is polarising. He has his supporters but those who dislike him dislike him so much they are willing to consider extraordinary measures, such as Welsh independence, to get rid of him. The naivety and stubborn complacency of his supporters, people like you, is part of what drives that too. You can't see how toxic he is even when presented with good evidence of it.
This is why we need more, not less, boring politicians. Interesting types like Boris and Corbyn are centrifugal forces inside the electorate. It's not healthy to have everyone spinning out from the centre.
I have to disagree on Welsh independence as there is no evidence that support for Plaid is gaining nor is is it a subject of normal political debate
Indeed, it is irrelevant as labour are more popular than in a long time and that is your rejection of Boris vote, not Plaid
You are misinterpreting a lack of support for Plaid (around 20%) as a lack of suppport for independence (around 30%). There was a surge of support a few years ago with the sudden growth of YesCymru - which descended into chaos and bickering - but now appears to be recovering. It does not have majority support yet - but is hardly irrelevant.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
Wait! They have to apologise for honesty now????? Wow!
Just struck by the way in which the person responsible for the UK's digital strategy can't even remember, a week or two later,
(a) where she was
and/or
(b) the difference between Blackpool and Brum - you'd think that this tower thingy, not to mention sea, sand and donkeys, would be a useful criterion, ditto canals and ring road in the latter.
Just possibly she was referring to the banality and utter interchangeability of Conferences. But hey, have a dig. Still a better point than the £11bn "lost" by Sunak.
Bit early for that to kick in, though; and as for Mr Sunak's interest, I don't remember remarking on that at all. You must be confusing me with one of the PB Economists.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
I hope she realised Blackpool and Birmingham now both each have 1 Tory MP? They may not be the wealthiest or most educated places (apart from Edgbaston in Birmingham) but they have seats we need to hold
Ideally, she would try being to be polite about residents anywhere in the UK, whether they have a Tory MP or not.
Ideally but she could be as rude as she liked about Islington or Bristol or Manchester or Glasgow and it wouldn't matter to the Tories as they have zero MPs there and zero chance of winning any.
Boris however needs to hold the Tory seats in Birmingham and Blackpool to keep his majority
Firstly, you do know people from Bristol, Manchester, and Glasgow sometimes move, don't you? I mean, there are hundreds of thousands of proud Bristolians, Mancunians, and Glaswegians in Tory seats.
You're also not really right about Tory prospects in these areas. Bristol NW was Tory until 2017 for instance - it's clearly not a "must win" as they won in 2019 without it. But it's an area where they are reasonably competitive. There are also areas like Filton & Bradley Stoke, and Kingswood, which aren't within Bristol City Council but clearly include substantial suburbs contiguous with Bristol - it's their city too.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
I hope she realised Blackpool and Birmingham now both each have 1 Tory MP? They may not be the wealthiest or most educated places (apart from Edgbaston in Birmingham) but they have seats we need to hold
Edgbaston isn't like it was back in Jill Knight's day.
Heather Wheeler strikes me as an obnoxious snob. It doesn't mean she isn't right though.
Birmingham: what the Luftwaffe missed, the town planners hit.
Blackpool: Where were the Luftwaffe?
Edgbaston used to be the only reasonably safe Tory seat in Birmingham. It is the wealthiest and most middle class part of the city.
However since it went Labour in 1997 it has stayed Labour and it was more working class Birmingham Northfield which the Tories gained in 2019, not Edgbaston reflecting the more working class voter coalition Boris built.
That also explains why working class Blackpool has a Tory MP and very middle class Richmond Park, Chesham and Amersham and St Albans now don't
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
Wait! They have to apologise for honesty now????? Wow!
Just struck by the way in which the person responsible for the UK's digital strategy can't even remember, a week or two later,
(a) where she was
and/or
(b) the difference between Blackpool and Brum - you'd think that this tower thingy, not to mention sea, sand and donkeys, would be a useful criterion, ditto canals and ring road in the latter.
Just possibly she was referring to the banality and utter interchangeability of Conferences. But hey, have a dig. Still a better point than the £11bn "lost" by Sunak.
Bit early for that to kick in, though; and as for Mr Sunak's interest, I don't remember remarking on that at all. You must be confusing me with one of the PB Economists.
It wasn't a go at you. More a follow up on my earlier rants. Apologies.
I see the Welsh conservatives are considering a breakaway now..
Can’t blame them. You wouldn’t want to be tethered to BoJos party
Anyone with any doubt about how toxic Boris is in some quarters need only look at how Welsh independence polls have shifted. Pre Boris, with the standard "Should Wales be an independent country?" question, the average was about 17%. Since Boris became PM, 17% is the minimum, and it was an outlier. The outlier on the maximum side was a staggering 42%. There have been two polls with support in the 30s. The mean seems to be at around 25%.
Note that this is an electorate that has seen a Scottish indyref and an EU ref, so is far from naive. And in the latter actually voted FOR Brexit, so what could be driving the increase in Welsh independence support since Boris became PM, if not Boris?
What a load of rubbish. Under Johnson the Tories got 36% in Wales in 2019, their highest voteshare in 100 years there.
25% in a referendum is a landslide defeat and Plaid even lost seats in this year's local elections.
Wales having a sister Tory party like the CSU in Bavaria for the German CDU is no problem at all
I do agree it bears no relevance to the present debate in Wales, but the 36% in 2019 has long gone and in the recent Welsh poll all North Wales conservative mps will be out of office in 24
Even on the recent Wales poll the Tories would still win more MPs in Wales than they got in 1997, 2001 and 2005
According to the recent opinion polls using new Westminster boundaries, Conservatives would equal their 1997 & 2001 success - winning zero seats across Wales. This is why Welsh Cons are panicking. Although their talent pool is incredibly poor.
They kept looking like being on the cusp of a major breakthrough in Wales, but that moment seems to have passed anyway.
I am not surprised. I used to be a conservative-leaning voter, but I struggle to see how anyone can describe themselves as Conservatives these days. Nationalists masquerading under the name of a formerly successful party.....
What is so very interesting about this is that it opens up the possibility of the Welsh Tories deciding for independence for Wales, if (for instance) that is the only way to have true Conservatism in the teeth of an eternal Johnsonite regime in London. Quite compatible; after all, our one true Tory happily voted both for the Welsh Tories and PC in the same election.
I do not think that the Welsh will ever vote for independence. They have been subjugated for too long now.
You're probably right, but support seems to be on the rise, how ever much HYUFD and Big_G want to bury their heads in the sand about that fact. Why look for reasons when you can just pretend nothing's happening?
Maybe if you actually lived in Wales it would help
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
I didn't say it "comes up", I'm saying the polling for it has shown a rise for support. That's just a fact. I don't know why you and HYUFD have such difficulty approaching this fact. It won't hurt you, it's just a fact.
The reason is it is entirely irrelevant to the Welsh political scene
So if it's so irrelevant, why can't you just admit that the polling has shown a rise in support? And entirely harmless fact that you are furiously and resolutely refusing to look at.
Personally I think you're wrong in saying that it's irrelevant, but we're into the realms of interpretation of facts here. If a quarter of Wales wants independence, and that number is drifting upwards, it tells us that something is either attracting them towards it or repelling them from the status quo. Wouldn't it be good to know what that is? You know my view; I think it's Boris. Which makes it even stranger that you're so resistant to the bare facts, because you allegedly agree with me that his leadership is a divisive problem that needs to be fixed by his removal from office. Maybe I'm wrong in my diagnosis, but we shouldn't be having such an argument about the symptoms which are right there in the polling, as plain as day.
Bug G wears union jack underpants
To signal distress, you fly the flag upside down --> wear them on the head
What should you do if you go commando?
Have BigG complain about your disloyalty for not wearing Union Fleg keks?
Why on earth would I do that
I am Welsh with Welsh children and grandchildren and a Scots wife
I could not be seen alive with anything as stupid as those
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
I hope she realised Blackpool and Birmingham now both each have 1 Tory MP? They may not be the wealthiest or most educated places (apart from Edgbaston in Birmingham) but they have seats we need to hold
Ideally, she would try being to be polite about residents anywhere in the UK, whether they have a Tory MP or not.
Ideally but she could be as rude as she liked about Islington or Bristol or Manchester or Glasgow and it wouldn't matter to the Tories as they have zero MPs there and zero chance of winning any.
Boris however needs to hold the Tory seats in Birmingham and Blackpool to keep his majority
Firstly, you do know people from Bristol, Manchester, and Glasgow sometimes move, don't you? I mean, there are hundreds of thousands of proud Bristolians, Mancunians, and Glaswegians in Tory seats.
You're also not really right about Tory prospects in these areas. Bristol NW was Tory until 2017 for instance - it's clearly not a "must win" as they won in 2019 without it. But it's an area where they are reasonably competitive. There are also areas like Filton & Bradley Stoke, and Kingswood, which aren't within Bristol City Council but clearly include substantial suburbs contiguous with Bristol - it's their city too.
Post Brexit Bristol NW is not really competitive for the Tories, they got just 38% there in 2019, 5% worse than nationally when they won a landslide.
Bristol voted 61% Remain while Blackpool voted 67% Leave
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
I hope she realised Blackpool and Birmingham now both each have 1 Tory MP? They may not be the wealthiest or most educated places (apart from Edgbaston in Birmingham) but they have seats we need to hold
Ideally, she would try being to be polite about residents anywhere in the UK, whether they have a Tory MP or not.
Ideally but she could be as rude as she liked about Islington or Bristol or Manchester or Glasgow and it wouldn't matter to the Tories as they have zero MPs there and zero chance of winning any.
Boris however needs to hold the Tory seats in Birmingham and Blackpool to keep his majority
Firstly, you do know people from Bristol, Manchester, and Glasgow sometimes move, don't you? I mean, there are hundreds of thousands of proud Bristolians, Mancunians, and Glaswegians in Tory seats.
You're also not really right about Tory prospects in these areas. Bristol NW was Tory until 2017 for instance - it's clearly not a "must win" as they won in 2019 without it. But it's an area where they are reasonably competitive. There are also areas like Filton & Bradley Stoke, and Kingswood, which aren't within Bristol City Council but clearly include substantial suburbs contiguous with Bristol - it's their city too.
Not to mention the Conservative MSPs on the Glasgow regional list.
The Welsh Tory bid for independence has nothing to do with Welsh separatism, and everything to do with needing to demonstrate independence from Boris to the electorate in 2024.
It’s another sign that Boris is uniquely toxic to voters.
The Welsh Tory bid for independence has nothing to do with Welsh separatism, and everything to do with needing to demonstrate independence from Boris to the electorate in 2024.
It’s another sign that Boris is uniquely toxic to voters.
Yet Boris won more votes in Wales in 2019 than even Thatcher managed
The Welsh Tory bid for independence has nothing to do with Welsh separatism, and everything to do with needing to demonstrate independence from Boris to the electorate in 2024.
It’s another sign that Boris is uniquely toxic to voters.
The Scottish Tories don't seem to have worked that out yet, or at least Mr Ross changed his mind before he worked through the logical chain. Though a similar idea has been aired in the past.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blueshirts
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/fine-art-antiques/a-real-blueshirt-to-be-auctioned-at-whyte-s-1.2385691
Honestly,.... some people!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_Australian_plebiscite_(National_Song)
Shame - I liked the idea that it was considered.
PS a pal for blethering
Edited extra bit: ahem, based on backing at 8.5 earlier.
A gen 1 MX5 is an excellent choice. It ticks all the boxes. Late model 1800 manual from circa 1996/7 is best. Nothing under £3,500 is worth a look. Get it on ramps and look underneath, where the sill meets the wheel arch is weak pount. Avoid MK2 and 2.5, lots of corrosion in inner and outer sills, although they drive as well as the MK1.
I used to be big on older classics, but to be honest there are some dirt cheap nice condition 2000s classics which cost nothing, are more reliable, and if they fail you just weigh them in and start again.
I wouldn't dismiss a Boxster S, a proper Porsche for the price of an old Fiesta.
By comparison, the Welsh attitudes seem like a mild distaste
Is it pretty and is it cheap?
Show me one Welsh independence poll where Yes is anywhere near the 47% of Welsh voters who voted to Remain in the EU in 2016?
Betting PostF1: I think the odds continue to underestimate Perez, so I've backed him on Betfair at 3.85 with a hedge set at 1.8.
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2022/06/azerbaijan-pre-qualifying-2022.html
Incidentally, Sainz has Ladbrokes odds of 17 so if you have a free bet backing that each way is worth a shot.
Edited extra bit: that's all for qualifying, not the race, of course.
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Not going to happen for awhile. Glad I provided some entertainment.
@Dura_Ace are you ok or are you still in shock?
They are very cheap so one does have to wonder why?
As a young man, Leo Tolstoy would ask to be escorted across the kitchen yard by a friend, so as to prevent him being overcome with lust by the sight of the bare legged serving wenches. Tolstoy was scared he might ravish the girls if he was unaccompanied
Yet we have a Tory PM in Boris who has delivered a hard Brexit and Welsh Nationalists cannot even get all Welsh Remainers to back them let alone any Welsh Leave voters. Pathetic!
Firstly, the premise is that we could have bought over £600bn of our gilts and then reissued them at lower rates. Absurd.
Secondly, it claims that by having the borrowing through the BoE under the QE system we failed to lock in these lower rates. This ignores the fact that the government does not pay interest on the gilts held by the BoE, something that has saved over £120bn to date.
The report does indicate that the authors of the report do themselves acknowledge this. It says:
"But Simon French, chief economist at Panmure Gordon, tweeted that the "£11bn 'cost' should really be set against the £120bn 'benefit' that the QE process has so far yielded for the Exchequer".
"To be fair to NIESR in their paper of last year they do acknowledge this - but this seems to have been drowned out today."
So what has in fact has happened is that the distortion of the BoE buying up so much of our gilt issuance has meant that the longevity of the remainder has shortened a bit (since the gilts already issued have got nearer to maturity) meaning that when we roll over this debt we will have to do so at a higher interest rate.
To put it another way, "careless" Sunak has actually saved us £109bn rather than cost us £11bn. Of course this was not rocket science, nor did it start with him. He is due no credit for this. But the way things are reported in this country, jeez. It goes beyond partisan. It goes into complete idiocy. And this is then the basis of our national conversation. No wonder our economic policy wanders from non existent to a total mess.
It is not a subject that comes up but you carry on if it tickles your fantasy
The saddest case is Ireland. They’ve now been independent for a century. They are rich. They are well fed. We provide their defence for free
Yet STILL they whine. Time to movie on, eh lads
We think they’re sexier, they think we always win
After Brexit never mind being up Welsh independence should be on 47% minimum, it isn't
We need higher standards of moral hygiene.
The answer to their question, of course, is a company almost no-one has heard of. MindGeek.
Government minister Heather Wheeler has apologised after describing Birmingham and Blackpool as "godawful" places.
The Conservative MP for South Derbyshire made the remark at a conference in London as she launched the government's new digital strategy.
Mrs Wheeler, a parliamentary secretary in the Cabinet Office, said she made an "inappropriate remark that does not reflect my actual view".
Labour deputy leader Angela Rayner accused her of "utter contempt".
Mrs Wheeler, also an assistant government whip, is reported to have said: "I was just at a conference in Blackpool or Birmingham or somewhere godawful."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61767856
DA's suggestion of a series 1 MX5 is faultless. We have a '97 Eunos automatic in midnight blue, which is a lovely colour. Don't buy an auto, many Japanese Eunos imports are autos. For a great driving experience go manual. First registered UK cars are worth more. Mk 3 MX5s are now cheap and better built than earlier cars and early ones are pocket money prices
When you decide what you want, joining the owners club is worth the money. Research your car, check out websites like Honest John for pros and cons. See lots of cars before buying so you can work out for yourself what is a good or not so good car. My tip is also if it is shod with good quality branded tyres someone loves the car. If they stick on Chinese tyres, what else will they have skimped on?
Good luck
The debate is all around Boris and labour are the beneficiary as conservative mps face loosing all north wales seats
I am not furious about it as it is an irrelevance and if it became an issue then that would be different
Yesterday you accused me of laying flowers on Diana's death which is not only untrue but your dismissal of any form of sympathy for the family of the father and son killed in the TT was very unpleasant
However I do support the union and indyref2 would see Scots in a majority join me
Its over Malc
Basically any county that starts with a "C" be on your guard, everywhere else is fine.
700/7dec is my guess.
Young Mr Potts finding life somewhat more difficult with the ball this weekend.
Edit: and just as I type that, it starts raining! England saved by the weather from an innings defeat here?
Sorry.
Given Brexit is supposed to have given momentum to Scottish independence and a united Ireland as both Scotland and Northern Ireland voted against it (in fact far less than anti Brexiteers claim but that is their argument), then Brexit should also have given momentum to Welsh independence given 47% of Welsh voters voted against Brexit. Yet support for Welsh independence cannot even get that
@Sandpit is right GT86 is a great car, but you are probably starting at £10k plus for a high miler on an 11 plate.
DA's first suggestion is hard to beat. Remember with any older car, keep £2k back for when it goes wrong.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/61769276
(a) where she was
and/or
(b) the difference between Blackpool and Brum - you'd think that this tower thingy, not to mention sea, sand and donkeys, would be a useful criterion, ditto canals and ring road in the latter.
Dura is right that you want a weekend car that has good community support. If you’ve got something there’s only a few dozen of, you’ll have a nightmare finding even basic consumable stuff like brakes and suspension, let alone bodywork or interior pieces.
An MX-5 (Miata, Eunos) is the most bang for the buck you can have outside @SeanT’s favourite Bangkok brothel. Just make sure it’s not a rusty one!
Boris however needs to hold the Tory seats in Birmingham and Blackpool to keep his majority
Heather Wheeler strikes me as an obnoxious snob. It doesn't mean she isn't right though.
Birmingham: what the Luftwaffe missed, the town planners hit.
Blackpool: Where were the Luftwaffe?
You're also not really right about Tory prospects in these areas. Bristol NW was Tory until 2017 for instance - it's clearly not a "must win" as they won in 2019 without it. But it's an area where they are reasonably competitive. There are also areas like Filton & Bradley Stoke, and Kingswood, which aren't within Bristol City Council but clearly include substantial suburbs contiguous with Bristol - it's their city too.
However since it went Labour in 1997 it has stayed Labour and it was more working class Birmingham Northfield which the Tories gained in 2019, not Edgbaston reflecting the more working class voter coalition Boris built.
That also explains why working class Blackpool has a Tory MP and very middle class Richmond Park, Chesham and Amersham and St Albans now don't
I am Welsh with Welsh children and grandchildren and a Scots wife
I could not be seen alive with anything as stupid as those
Bristol voted 61% Remain while Blackpool voted 67% Leave
It’s another sign that Boris is uniquely toxic to voters.
Lowish demand, strong winds and sunlight mean 60% of our power is from wind or solar.
If it keeps up for three weeks, the surfing industry and our beleaguered power generation system will be very happy.