Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
Not going to happen.
Not least because Boris will likely find new ways to aggravate either Conservative MPs or the voters and certainly will not learn from his mistakes so will continue the old ways of aggravating either Conservative MPs or the voters.
If its the same MPs aggravated they've shot their bolt already though.
What's going to push another three dozen MPs to switch and to ask the 1922 to change the rules, when they weren't willing to vote against him in a secret ballot today?
Keir Starmer: "Conservative MPs made their choice tonight. They have ignored the British public and hitched themselves and their party firmly to Boris Johnson, and everything that he represents." https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1533905852268261377
Hard to disagree.
Was there a stain on his trousers where he'd actually wet himself laughing?
Like i said earlier, the 211 will be crying in 2 months time about how unfair it is they are 15 to 20 points adrift without a hint of self awareness Twats
I do not see how anyone can think "Boris can turn this around", it already looked dire, it now looks catastrophic for the Tories.
Tory Party is pathetic. They have lost their hunger to win.
No, they are desperate to win. They have lost their hunger to rule. Boris was supposed to have unified the party with his ruthless ejection of the main remainers before the 2019 election. It hasn't worked. As some American bloke once said, "a house divided against itself cannot stand."
I don't think the Conservatives have many disagreements about policy.
But what there seems to be a split on are views about personal integrity and leadership.
If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?
They shot their bolt too early.
Surely the 1922 can only change the rules if a majority want it changing, which surely can't be met by the same people who voted against him today or submitted the letters against him already?
The problem for Boris seems to possibly be a possible personal sanction vote following the Privileges Committee report? 148 against him today wasn't enough to oust him, but 148 voting with Labour and the rest of Parliament could be enough to suspend him from the House couldn't it?
Fuckin' 'ell it will be something if Tory MPs vote with the Opposition on such a vote. Surely not.
What can be done if they do? He'd be suspended and surely have to instantly resign as PM since he'd no longer be an MP.
That's the one way a minority of Tory MPs could force the issue, if they were prepared to do that, but that requires them to vote with the Opposition.
Truly dreadful results in Tiverton and Wakefield may convince him to resign.
He will not resign. I could see a few Conservative MPs, if they lose both seats, privately hoping Starmer will lay down a VONC.... and wondering how they can vote with Labour without Johnson or the whips knowing [1].
Tory Party is pathetic. They have lost their hunger to win.
No, they are desperate to win. They have lost their hunger to rule. Boris was supposed to have unified the party with his ruthless ejection of the main remainers before the 2019 election. It hasn't worked. As some American bloke once said, "a house divided against itself cannot stand."
I don't think the Conservatives have many disagreements about policy.
But what there seems to be a split on are views about personal integrity and leadership.
Do you mean, 'on the importance on them?'
I don't think anyone now thinks Johnson has either of those.
What is it about 2019 intake Tory MPs which means most share a brain cell? Who is this tool Scott Benton on Sky? Reading out the spin lines with his eyes glazed in a monotone.
Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
Indeed, Bart.
Deep in the heart of Somerset I hear the sound of laughter and the clinking of glasses from the LD campaign room.
Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
On no planet will they now draw the line and move on.
Wait for the resignations to start rolling in. The payroll vote now look as sleazy as Johnson himself
Unless you are a nutcase like Dorries who couldn’t hope to have influence under another leader, why would an MP vote to keep Boris? It makes no sense.
Exactly. What do they see in Boris that nobody else can see? For God's sake, when people who queue up to wave at the Queen are booing a Tory PM by any normal measure that PM would be considered done for. So what is it?
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
About 160 MPs have government roles -- known as the payroll vote. The remaining 200 MPs are backbenchers. The vote tonight means that - stripping out the payroll vote - almost 75% of his backbenchers voted against Johnson.
On those figures, the "a year of immunity" rule won't last. If there's sufficient pressure to finally flush the turd, there will be enough pressure to remove that rule.
I'm sure someone wiser than me will say this but I suspect a few of the letters that were recently sent in were from Boris supporters who wanted the vote to take place BEFORE the by-election results came in.
Tory party: Just enough of us have faith to keep him in office a while longer. Onwards and upwards. Reshuffle. New policy goals. Tax cuts. Cake for all.
Voters: He was on the piss while we could not attend our own family funerals. The minute I get the chance I will vote against the fucker.
It’s a good point, tonight the Tory Party voted to own Partygate, that was mostly Boris Partygate until his party endorsement tonight.
Yup. At this stage in proceedings, it is hard to see GE2024 as anything other than a Labour-led victory.
They have brought it upon themselves. I’m disappointed in them, but I guess the party has finally left me for now and it’s time for me to step away from them.
Me, I'm disappointed even though this couldn't be better for Labour. I was hoping they'd take this chance to get rid.
Where now I don't know. He'll never resign so what's the mechanism to do it? I'll probably top up my BJ to stay to the GE position if the price drifts much above 3.
What is it about 2019 intake Tory MPs which means most share a brain cell? Who is this tool Scott Benton on Sky? Reading out the spin lines with his eyes glazed in a monotone.
He’s like a Borg drone ! Apparently this has renewed the clowns mandate to govern . Dear me what a moron .
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
About 160 MPs have government roles -- known as the payroll vote. The remaining 200 MPs are backbenchers. The vote tonight means that - stripping out the payroll vote - almost 75% of his backbenchers voted against Johnson.
On those figures, the "a year of immunity" rule won't last. If there's sufficient pressure to finally flush the turd, there will be enough pressure to remove that rule.
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
About 160 MPs have government roles -- known as the payroll vote. The remaining 200 MPs are backbenchers. The vote tonight means that - stripping out the payroll vote - almost 75% of his backbenchers voted against Johnson.
On those figures, the "a year of immunity" rule won't last. If there's sufficient pressure to finally flush the turd, there will be enough pressure to remove that rule.
That does rather assume that it was backbenchers who voted against him. Given how many of them are admirers, that's a bold assumption.
That's why a figure of over 140 was so important. It means several members of his own executive must have voted against him.
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
About 160 MPs have government roles -- known as the payroll vote. The remaining 200 MPs are backbenchers. The vote tonight means that - stripping out the payroll vote - almost 75% of his backbenchers voted against Johnson.
On those figures, the "a year of immunity" rule won't last. If there's sufficient pressure to finally flush the turd, there will be enough pressure to remove that rule.
That's nonsense. It is a secret ballot. Many ministers will have been hypocritical enough to vote against him having pledged public support.
Tory party: Just enough of us have faith to keep him in office a while longer. Onwards and upwards. Reshuffle. New policy goals. Tax cuts. Cake for all.
Voters: He was on the piss while we could not attend our own family funerals. The minute I get the chance I will vote against the fucker.
Next year, when @HYUFD is hoping the local elections will be the beginning of the Conservative fightback, those voters wanting to give Boris a kicking will still be able to vote against the Conservatives in large numbers.
So what’s tomorrow’s dead cat then? I’ll go with 50% emergency cut in fuel duty.
Why do they need a dead cat? He won a handsome victory that has President Zelinsky punching the air. The British public will now draw a line and move on. We can go back to hanging the wogs or whatever the migration policy is this week.
This really is the worst outcome for the Conservative party, Boris really needs to go now for the good of the party! He is now in Office but not in power along with a discredited Cabinet.
I can believe they have a plan, though who knows if it will help. But is hard to argue that most of the energy in the Conservative Party is subordinate to the goal of preserving Boris.
It's not a case that he has to do that because he is attacked. He is attacked because he needs constant propping up. Leaders should not be a burden.
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
About 160 MPs have government roles -- known as the payroll vote. The remaining 200 MPs are backbenchers. The vote tonight means that - stripping out the payroll vote - almost 75% of his backbenchers voted against Johnson.
On those figures, the "a year of immunity" rule won't last. If there's sufficient pressure to finally flush the turd, there will be enough pressure to remove that rule.
That's poor logic since the "payroll vote" were voting in a secret ballot, they could have ousted him if they wanted to.
If they voted to keep him, that's their choice, they weren't compelled to do so. Besides there's no reason to "strip out" the payroll vote since they're MPs, why would you? When Blair was Prime Minister would you strip out the likes of Jack Straw who were on the payroll and only pay attention to the likes of Corbyn who weren't?
Me, I'm disappointed even though this couldn't be better for Labour. I was hoping they'd take this chance to get rid.
Where now I don't know. He'll never resign so what's the mechanism to do it? I'll probably top up my BJ to stay to the GE position if the price drifts much above 3.
No mechanism.
I've gone in and put more on Starmer as next PM at 6.3. Expect this to shorten.
So what’s tomorrow’s dead cat then? I’ll go with 50% emergency cut in fuel duty.
Why do they need a dead cat? He won a handsome victory that has President Zelinsky punching the air. The British public will now draw a line and move on. We can go back to hanging the wogs or whatever the migration policy is this week.
So what’s tomorrow’s dead cat then? I’ll go with 50% emergency cut in fuel duty.
Why do they need a dead cat? He won a handsome victory that has President Zelinsky punching the air. The British public will now draw a line and move on. We can go back to hanging the wogs or whatever the migration policy is this week.
Just looking at the results in a little more detail. How many of the 359 are on the payroll? 80 or so? Ministers, cabinet ministers and select committee members?
So Johnson got 131 out of the non-payroll vote? Assuming, of course, all the payroll vote DID support him.
Truly dreadful results in Tiverton and Wakefield may convince him to resign.
He won't resign, he didn't after North Shropshire was lost so why would he resign if Tiverton was lost, though personally I think the Tories will narrowly win it but lose Wakefield
You are right, Boris won’t put the party before himself and resign at any point, so none of the previous precedent mentioned by others matters a jot in this instance.
Tories better hope Boris can fight back and pul a 1992 result out the bag now.
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
About 160 MPs have government roles -- known as the payroll vote. The remaining 200 MPs are backbenchers. The vote tonight means that - stripping out the payroll vote - almost 75% of his backbenchers voted against Johnson.
On those figures, the "a year of immunity" rule won't last. If there's sufficient pressure to finally flush the turd, there will be enough pressure to remove that rule.
That's poor logic since the "payroll vote" were voting in a secret ballot, they could have ousted him if they wanted to.
If they voted to keep him, that's their choice, they weren't compelled to do so. Besides there's no reason to "strip out" the payroll vote since they're MPs, why would you? When Blair was Prime Minister would you strip out the likes of Jack Straw who were on the payroll and only pay attention to the likes of Corbyn who weren't?
It was silly of JRM and co to strip out the payroll vote when they lost to May, and it would be unfair to do it now it has happened to them.
Me, I'm disappointed even though this couldn't be better for Labour. I was hoping they'd take this chance to get rid.
Where now I don't know. He'll never resign so what's the mechanism to do it? I'll probably top up my BJ to stay to the GE position if the price drifts much above 3.
Labour should leave the champers on ice for now. In a few days they could see the resignation of both their leader and his deputy, plunging them into an existential crisis.
Keir Starmer: "Conservative MPs made their choice tonight. They have ignored the British public and hitched themselves and their party firmly to Boris Johnson, and everything that he represents." https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1533905852268261377
Hard to disagree.
Was there a stain on his trousers where he'd actually wet himself laughing?
It's the "..and everything he that he represents" that will come back to haunt the Tories.
I can believe they have a plan, though who knows if it will help. But is hard to argue that most of the energy in the Conservative Party is subordinate to the goal of preserving Boris.
It's not a case that he has to do that because he is attacked. He is attacked because he needs constant propping up. Leaders should not be a burden.
The sole purpose of the UK state is to preserve the Conservative Party. The sole purpose of the Conservative Party is ...
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
About 160 MPs have government roles -- known as the payroll vote. The remaining 200 MPs are backbenchers. The vote tonight means that - stripping out the payroll vote - almost 75% of his backbenchers voted against Johnson.
On those figures, the "a year of immunity" rule won't last. If there's sufficient pressure to finally flush the turd, there will be enough pressure to remove that rule.
That's poor logic since the "payroll vote" were voting in a secret ballot, they could have ousted him if they wanted to.
If they voted to keep him, that's their choice, they weren't compelled to do so. Besides there's no reason to "strip out" the payroll vote since they're MPs, why would you? When Blair was Prime Minister would you strip out the likes of Jack Straw who were on the payroll and only pay attention to the likes of Corbyn who weren't?
It was silly of JRM and co to strip out the payroll vote when they lost to May, and it would be unfair to do it now it has happened to them.
Yes, JRM was an idiot then and everyone recognised that.
Hearing people who called JRM stupid for saying that then, now saying the same thing when the roles are reversed, is amusing.
If you want rid of Boris as PM, then it needs to be done by voting against the Conservatives. That's the decision Tory MPs have made today.
I'm sure someone wiser than me will say this but I suspect a few of the letters that were recently sent in were from Boris supporters who wanted the vote to take place BEFORE the by-election results came in.
It's been speculated, though personally i cannot see it - would there really have been that many differences in the vote given the by-elections are already widely considered to be very difficult at best?
Plus they simply did not have control over the timing. We know from Brady that some people post dated their letters to be after the jubilee weekend, and for all Boris supporters knew the rebels were going to get to the figure by then already.
The Tory VONC rules are flawed, they create a zombie zone where you can win and be hugely damaged. Continued leadership should require a super majority.
The best thing Boris could do now is trigger a leadership election and stand. I doubt there is a mechanism to do that. Worked for Corbyn.
Tory Party is pathetic. They have lost their hunger to win.
No, they are desperate to win. They have lost their hunger to rule. Boris was supposed to have unified the party with his ruthless ejection of the main remainers before the 2019 election. It hasn't worked. As some American bloke once said, "a house divided against itself cannot stand."
I don't think the Conservatives have many disagreements about policy.
But what there seems to be a split on are views about personal integrity and leadership.
They have many splits and far too many egos. But policies? They are somewhat thinner on the ground. Boris today said that he was pledged to cut taxes. The month after the increase in NI hit peoples' wage packets. Shortly before the increase in CT. He has no policies that are worth a damn because he has no clear idea about what sort of country he wants. And, so far as I can see, nor does anyone else in the party.
So what’s tomorrow’s dead cat then? I’ll go with 50% emergency cut in fuel duty.
Why do they need a dead cat? He won a handsome victory that has President Zelinsky punching the air. The British public will now draw a line and move on. We can go back to hanging the wogs or whatever the migration policy is this week.
So what’s tomorrow’s dead cat then? I’ll go with 50% emergency cut in fuel duty.
Why do they need a dead cat? He won a handsome victory that has President Zelinsky punching the air. The British public will now draw a line and move on. We can go back to hanging the wogs or whatever the migration policy is this week.
Drowning, not hanging ...
Drown them. Then hang them. Its the only way to be sure.
Just looking at the results in a little more detail. How many of the 359 are on the payroll? 80 or so? Ministers, cabinet ministers and select committee members?
So Johnson got 131 out of the non-payroll vote? Assuming, of course, all the payroll vote DID support him.
If CP wins, pressure will be off. If CP loses, 1922 will be badgered to change rules to allow another go at ousting him I suspect - but how can they when Johnson has the support of a decent majority of his MPs?
They shot their bolt too early.
Surely the 1922 can only change the rules if a majority want it changing, which surely can't be met by the same people who voted against him today or submitted the letters against him already?
The problem for Boris seems to possibly be a possible personal sanction vote following the Privileges Committee report? 148 against him today wasn't enough to oust him, but 148 voting with Labour and the rest of Parliament could be enough to suspend him from the House couldn't it?
Fuckin' 'ell it will be something if Tory MPs vote with the Opposition on such a vote. Surely not.
What can be done if they do? He'd be suspended and surely have to instantly resign as PM since he'd no longer be an MP.
That's the one way a minority of Tory MPs could force the issue, if they were prepared to do that, but that requires them to vote with the Opposition.
Which is, of course, what happened to May over Brexit, but Johnson's government is so rudderless that I don't see the issue they would try to force through where they could lose in a similar way.
Anything too contentious can be shelved. There's no deadline.
The line among the nutters, oops. Ministers is Johnson only got 51% of MPs votes in 2019 so this shows he has grown in popularity.*
The minor detail that he sacked almost everyone who voted against him and huge numbers of new MPs who admired him came in instead seems to have been rather overlooked.
*This is true, and Twitter is wrong. The 2-1 margin was among the wider membership.
Tory party: Just enough of us have faith to keep him in office a while longer. Onwards and upwards. Reshuffle. New policy goals. Tax cuts. Cake for all.
Voters: He was on the piss while we could not attend our own family funerals. The minute I get the chance I will vote against the fucker.
Next year, when @HYUFD is hoping the local elections will be the beginning of the Conservative fightback, those voters wanting to give Boris a kicking will still be able to vote against the Conservatives in large numbers.
The Conservatives got 28% NEV in the 2019 local elections, those seats are the ones up next year and today's Redfield has the Tories on 34% ie 6% better than 2019
Truly dreadful results in Tiverton and Wakefield may convince him to resign.
He won't resign, he didn't after North Shropshire was lost so why would he resign if Tiverton was lost, though personally I think the Tories will narrowly win it but lose Wakefield
You are right, Boris won’t put the party before himself and resign at any point, so none of the previous precedent mentioned by others matters a jot in this instance.
Tories better hope Boris can fight back and pul a 1992 result out the bag now.
No chance. A party can’t go into an election with a leader that over 40% of the parliamentary party don’t want to lead them.
Just looking at the results in a little more detail. How many of the 359 are on the payroll? 80 or so? Ministers, cabinet ministers and select committee members?
So Johnson got 131 out of the non-payroll vote? Assuming, of course, all the payroll vote DID support him.
2) He's been castrated tonight rather than euthanised, but the visit to vet to put him down is coming soon
By what mechanism?
Edit: I was referring to 2), not 1)
I expect in the coming months the number of Tory MPs who have no confidence in the Prime Minister will reach 180+ and Sir Graham Brady will amend the rules.
About 160 MPs have government roles -- known as the payroll vote. The remaining 200 MPs are backbenchers. The vote tonight means that - stripping out the payroll vote - almost 75% of his backbenchers voted against Johnson.
On those figures, the "a year of immunity" rule won't last. If there's sufficient pressure to finally flush the turd, there will be enough pressure to remove that rule.
That's poor logic since the "payroll vote" were voting in a secret ballot, they could have ousted him if they wanted to.
If they voted to keep him, that's their choice, they weren't compelled to do so. Besides there's no reason to "strip out" the payroll vote since they're MPs, why would you? When Blair was Prime Minister would you strip out the likes of Jack Straw who were on the payroll and only pay attention to the likes of Corbyn who weren't?
It was silly of JRM and co to strip out the payroll vote when they lost to May, and it would be unfair to do it now it has happened to them.
Yes, JRM was an idiot then and everyone recognised that.
Hearing people who called JRM stupid for saying that then, now saying the same thing when the roles are reversed, is amusing.
If you want rid of Boris as PM, then it needs to be done by voting against the Conservatives. That's the decision Tory MPs have made today.
Just looking at the results in a little more detail. How many of the 359 are on the payroll? 80 or so? Ministers, cabinet ministers and select committee members?
So Johnson got 131 out of the non-payroll vote? Assuming, of course, all the payroll vote DID support him.
Tory party: Just enough of us have faith to keep him in office a while longer. Onwards and upwards. Reshuffle. New policy goals. Tax cuts. Cake for all.
Voters: He was on the piss while we could not attend our own family funerals. The minute I get the chance I will vote against the fucker.
Next year, when @HYUFD is hoping the local elections will be the beginning of the Conservative fightback, those voters wanting to give Boris a kicking will still be able to vote against the Conservatives in large numbers.
The Conservatives got 28% NEV in the 2019 local elections, those seats are the ones up next year and today's Redfield has the Tories on 34% ie 6% better than 2019
Wasn't that in a completely different set of elections, different areas? So not comparable at all.
Me, I'm disappointed even though this couldn't be better for Labour. I was hoping they'd take this chance to get rid.
Where now I don't know. He'll never resign so what's the mechanism to do it? I'll probably top up my BJ to stay to the GE position if the price drifts much above 3.
No mechanism.
I've gone in and put more on Starmer as next PM at 6.3. Expect this to shorten.
Yes could be time to look at that again. My fav market.
Pretty bad result this for Johnson though. Over 40% against without coordination or a clear successor.
Just looking at the results in a little more detail. How many of the 359 are on the payroll? 80 or so? Ministers, cabinet ministers and select committee members?
So Johnson got 131 out of the non-payroll vote? Assuming, of course, all the payroll vote DID support him.
172 Apparently
That's an absurdly high number.
It depends whether you count PPS's as on the payroll.
Worst result in living memory of any Tory PM in an internal confidence vote
Only(!) 19 years ago.
PM…
Ah, sorry! You'd have to go back to Thatcher. Still, that's living memory for many.
What done for Lady Thatcher was the Cabinet rebellions, that won’t happen here. Major actually survived years and he remained leader at election. What done for May was running out of road trying to get Brexit done, so honourably stepped aside. She also suffered MP rebellions withholding votes in the house that Boris won’t suffer in the coming months.
It’s hard to see how Boris is forced out now, unless he he loses a further VONC. Snd truth is 148 might go down as well as up, if Boris, his government improves and the polls improves.
It’s a good night for opposition parties tonight is my conclusion.
Me, I'm disappointed even though this couldn't be better for Labour. I was hoping they'd take this chance to get rid.
Where now I don't know. He'll never resign so what's the mechanism to do it? I'll probably top up my BJ to stay to the GE position if the price drifts much above 3.
Labour should leave the champers on ice for now. In a few days they could see the resignation of both their leader and his deputy, plunging them into an existential crisis.
Though actually a new leader is likely to make the Labour lead larger...
The line among the nutters, oops. Ministers is Johnson only got 51% of MPs votes in 2019 so this shows he has grown in popularity.*
The minor detail that he sacked almost everyone who voted against him and huge numbers of new MPs who admired him came in instead seems to have been rather overlooked.
*This is true, and Twitter is wrong. The 2-1 margin was among the wider membership.
That's an interesting point and yes its true, he got 59% today and only 51% in 2019.
There is surely a very high correlation between those who voted for him today and then, or against him today and then. Hunt, Hammond etc were never backing him in the first place.
Not the result I wanted, but a democratic result and that has to be accepted and respected. The MPs have flunked it, but that was their choice and they've made their bed now and its time to move on and let the voters have their say next time.
Indeed, Bart.
Deep in the heart of Somerset I hear the sound of laughter and the clinking of glasses from the LD campaign room.
I think they’re mostly in Devon by now
Good grief, I thought it was in Somerset! How embarrassing.
Better slink off quietly to bed and dream of the new start that our beloved leader will be making tomorrow.
Truly dreadful results in Tiverton and Wakefield may convince him to resign.
He won't resign, he didn't after North Shropshire was lost so why would he resign if Tiverton was lost, though personally I think the Tories will narrowly win it but lose Wakefield
You are right, Boris won’t put the party before himself and resign at any point, so none of the previous precedent mentioned by others matters a jot in this instance.
Tories better hope Boris can fight back and pul a 1992 result out the bag now.
No chance. A party can’t go into an election with a leader that over 40% of the parliamentary party don’t want to lead them.
Something will give.
Yes they can, Corbyn went into the 2017 and 2019 general elections with 74% of the Labour parliamentary party having voted against him.
Difficult to see how Johnson moves on from this. What if - and hear me out here - they suggest legislating to remove the Northern Ireland protocol tomorrow...?
Constitutionally, I don't see how you can sustain a situation where less than a third of the Commons has confidence in the PM. The principle of "he's a completely unfit individual, but he's OUR completely unfit individual" only gets you so far as a party. He needs to keep almost three quarters of the MPs who've just said he shouldn't be PM onside at all times to have a majority. How does that work?
Just looking at the results in a little more detail. How many of the 359 are on the payroll? 80 or so? Ministers, cabinet ministers and select committee members?
So Johnson got 131 out of the non-payroll vote? Assuming, of course, all the payroll vote DID support him.
172 Apparently
That's an absurdly high number.
It depends whether you count PPS's as on the payroll.
I suppose they are unpaid, but they are bag carriers so they might as well be.
Truly dreadful results in Tiverton and Wakefield may convince him to resign.
He won't resign, he didn't after North Shropshire was lost so why would he resign if Tiverton was lost, though personally I think the Tories will narrowly win it but lose Wakefield
You are right, Boris won’t put the party before himself and resign at any point, so none of the previous precedent mentioned by others matters a jot in this instance.
Tories better hope Boris can fight back and pul a 1992 result out the bag now.
No chance. A party can’t go into an election with a leader that over 40% of the parliamentary party don’t want to lead them.
Something will give.
Yes they can, Corbyn went into the 2017 and 2019 general elections with 72% of the Labour parliamentary party having voted against him.
Having fought and won a leadership election in the interim.
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What's going to push another three dozen MPs to switch and to ask the 1922 to change the rules, when they weren't willing to vote against him in a secret ballot today?
Was there a stain on his trousers where he'd actually wet himself laughing?
Night all.
https://twitter.com/maxiefreedman/status/1533905525959757826
But what there seems to be a split on are views about personal integrity and leadership.
Only way I can see is if enough tory mps indicate they no longer have confidence in him & he purges and goes for another election?
That's the one way a minority of Tory MPs could force the issue, if they were prepared to do that, but that requires them to vote with the Opposition.
I could see a few Conservative MPs, if they lose both seats, privately hoping Starmer will lay down a VONC.... and wondering how they can vote with Labour without Johnson or the whips knowing [1].
[1] They can't, I know.
The Tories are divided.
They are focused on propping up Boris Johnson with no plan to tackle the issues facing you and your family.
Only Labour has a plan to fix the cost of living crisis, grow our economy and restore trust in politics.
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1533906405970829314
I don't think anyone now thinks Johnson has either of those.
@Joe_Mayes has got his abacus out:
About 160 MPs have government roles -- known as the payroll vote. The remaining 200 MPs are backbenchers. The vote tonight means that - stripping out the payroll vote - almost 75% of his backbenchers voted against Johnson.
https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1533905027680677888
On those figures, the "a year of immunity" rule won't last. If there's sufficient pressure to finally flush the turd, there will be enough pressure to remove that rule.
Voters: He was on the piss while we could not attend our own family funerals. The minute I get the chance I will vote against the fucker.
They have brought it upon themselves. I’m disappointed in them, but I guess the party has finally left me for now and it’s time for me to step away from them.
Me, I'm disappointed even though this couldn't be better for Labour. I was hoping they'd take this chance to get rid.
Where now I don't know. He'll never resign so what's the mechanism to do it? I'll probably top up my BJ to stay to the GE position if the price drifts much above 3.
https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1533844966115622914?s=20&t=9nCUn3EMDs71RuBdjZ5l6A
Had no ideas HY was the MP for Blackpool South.
That's why a figure of over 140 was so important. It means several members of his own executive must have voted against him.
Sanity 148
It's not a case that he has to do that because he is attacked. He is attacked because he needs constant propping up. Leaders should not be a burden.
If they voted to keep him, that's their choice, they weren't compelled to do so. Besides there's no reason to "strip out" the payroll vote since they're MPs, why would you? When Blair was Prime Minister would you strip out the likes of Jack Straw who were on the payroll and only pay attention to the likes of Corbyn who weren't?
I've gone in and put more on Starmer as next PM at 6.3. Expect this to shorten.
So Johnson got 131 out of the non-payroll vote?
Assuming, of course, all the payroll vote DID support him.
Tories better hope Boris can fight back and pul a 1992 result out the bag now.
Hearing people who called JRM stupid for saying that then, now saying the same thing when the roles are reversed, is amusing.
If you want rid of Boris as PM, then it needs to be done by voting against the Conservatives. That's the decision Tory MPs have made today.
Plus they simply did not have control over the timing. We know from Brady that some people post dated their letters to be after the jubilee weekend, and for all Boris supporters knew the rebels were going to get to the figure by then already.
The best thing Boris could do now is trigger a leadership election and stand. I doubt there is a mechanism to do that. Worked for Corbyn.
Anything too contentious can be shelved. There's no deadline.
The minor detail that he sacked almost everyone who voted against him and huge numbers of new MPs who admired him came in instead seems to have been rather overlooked.
*This is true, and Twitter is wrong. The 2-1 margin was among the wider membership.
Something will give.
I don't think that's controversial.
Pretty bad result this for Johnson though. Over 40% against without coordination or a clear successor.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1533909268860215298
Major actually survived years and he remained leader at election.
What done for May was running out of road trying to get Brexit done, so honourably stepped aside. She also suffered MP rebellions withholding votes in the house that Boris won’t suffer in the coming months.
It’s hard to see how Boris is forced out now, unless he he loses a further VONC. Snd truth is 148 might go down as well as up, if Boris, his government improves and the polls improves.
It’s a good night for opposition parties tonight is my conclusion.
There is surely a very high correlation between those who voted for him today and then, or against him today and then. Hunt, Hammond etc were never backing him in the first place.
Better slink off quietly to bed and dream of the new start that our beloved leader will be making tomorrow.
Nite all. Been fun.
Shouldn't they have resigned this morning if they were going to do so?
Says he voted against Boris Johnson tonight after he had said it was 'in the public interest' for PM to quit following Sue Gray report https://twitter.com/JulianSturdy/status/1533908712615727106
Constitutionally, I don't see how you can sustain a situation where less than a third of the Commons has confidence in the PM. The principle of "he's a completely unfit individual, but he's OUR completely unfit individual" only gets you so far as a party. He needs to keep almost three quarters of the MPs who've just said he shouldn't be PM onside at all times to have a majority. How does that work?
That's an absolutely perfect result for the Opposition.
Enough for him to claim vindication just.
But boy oh boy.