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    NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 703

    Significant support coming up. A tax rebate for private helicopter hires?

    I’m not sure that is what is generally meant by “helicopter money”. 😀
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    Eabhal said:

    Absolutely mental policy. £400 for every household.

    We had some of the highest savings ratios ever during the pandemic. Should've gone on those who actually need the cash ffs.

    As an aside, should've abolished standard charges to reward those not burning loads of energy. Can dress it up as a green policy while reducing demand.

    And pensioners will get upto £600 in December from their winter fuel allowance, so effectively giving some pensioners £1,000
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,527
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    mwadams said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Understand around £10 billion of the £15bn spending announced today will come from borrowing

    Which shows that despite Sunak warnings if the political will is there Treasury **will** borrow to spend

    Remember that for future spending rows (defence, public sector pay etc)

    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1529800470092464132

    It won't happen for defence, they don't like spending even borrowed money on that. The tories cut the attack submarine fleet from 7 to 5 this week retiring Trenchant and Talent.
    100% true.

    The Tories have long since stopped spending on Defence and Education. They have more or less given up on Pensions. I think this is interesting, because it has become increasingly hard to see what their (positive) distinctive economic policies might be.
    The needs of the old vs the needs of the young.
    Certainly distinctive.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,078
    I don’t understand the policy. Am I getting any money from HMG or what?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,527
    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Sky just reported from a meeting of pensioners and every one of them were delighted and surprised at the amount being provided

    Is this Rishi's col furlough moment ?

    Don't rip up those next pm betting slips just yet.
    Worth a fiver on Betfair, probably.
    While I was on, noticed Lando was 120/1 for pole.

    Highly unlikely, but it’s Monaco. Worth a couple of quid.
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,517
    edited May 2022
    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Boris left immediately after Rishi statement. Looked like he needed to throw up into a bin
    https://twitter.com/JohnJCrace/status/1529791396483371008

    I haven't seen so much anger for a long time. I don't get usually get texts about politics. But today they're coming thick and fast. Has anyone seen this months Private Eye cover? Possibly the rudest ever. I have it on my mobile but I don't know how to show it here......

    Clearly you have to live 5000 miles away under the absolute rule of of a Sheikh before this stuff rolls over you.

    edit

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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273
    Scott_xP said:

    Tory MP John Baron who already withdrew support from Boris Johnson this morning is now calling on Rishi Sunak to increase the minimum wage ahead of inflation ⬆️ and scrap corporation tax rises to pay for it 💷

    Several Tories still not happy with these new measures 👛

    https://twitter.com/MhariAurora/status/1529808305257951233

    I assume he did not hear the bit that Rishi announced that he would be dealing with business tax measures in his Autumn budget
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,619
    edited May 2022
    The council tax energy rebate of £150 did not go to 2nd home owners. Not sure how they are going to stop the grant through energy bills going to 2nd home owners though. Much as I would like it clearly isn't fair I should get it. Will be interesting to see if there is a plan for this.
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    I don’t understand the policy. Am I getting any money from HMG or what?

    Yes, though maybe not as cash.

    Everyone get £400 rebate against energy bills. If you're 'in need' then upto £650 extra too. Plus some extra bits and bobs.

    Does the £650 go to everyone on UC etc or is it just some people who are?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,527
    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,273

    I don’t understand the policy. Am I getting any money from HMG or what?

    £400 energy grant in October?
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    RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 27,192
    AlistairM said:

    Rishi gets very popular when he gives away lots of free money. The brief period where he stopped political gravity caught up with them. As a fiscal conservative I think this is a very bad idea in the long run.

    He wants to be Prime Minister
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,078

    I don’t understand the policy. Am I getting any money from HMG or what?

    £400 energy grant in October?
    So I’m going to get £400 credit from my energy supplier?
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,672

    AlistairM said:

    Rishi gets very popular when he gives away lots of free money. The brief period where he stopped political gravity caught up with them. As a fiscal conservative I think this is a very bad idea in the long run.

    He wants to be Prime Minister
    Didn't do anything about nondoms ...
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    kjhkjh Posts: 10,619

    I don’t understand the policy. Am I getting any money from HMG or what?

    £400 energy grant in October?
    Or if you are a pensioner with 2 homes like me they are throwing money at me. Still voting LD. I need even bigger bribes I'm afraid.
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,893
    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

    Reddit is seething about this. Apparently some of the cops ran in, grabbed their own kids, and ran off. There is also an awful video of some parents getting together to rush the guy and the police stop them.

    They claimed they successfully "contained" the suspect in a classroom. Well yeah - he then proceeded to shoot everyone in the room while they waited outside. DNA tests being done on the kids because the damage was so extensive.

    American police are very quick to shoot you if you're a defenceless black man. Ongoing mass murder? Nah, health and safety checklist first.
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    StockyStocky Posts: 9,718

    I don’t understand the policy. Am I getting any money from HMG or what?

    Yes, though maybe not as cash.

    Everyone get £400 rebate against energy bills. If you're 'in need' then upto £650 extra too. Plus some extra bits and bobs.

    Does the £650 go to everyone on UC etc or is it just some people who are?
    Is it clarified whether the £650 is just for UC claimants? What about recipients of Tax Credits?
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,517
    edited May 2022

    Eabhal said:

    Absolutely mental policy. £400 for every household.

    We had some of the highest savings ratios ever during the pandemic. Should've gone on those who actually need the cash ffs.

    As an aside, should've abolished standard charges to reward those not burning loads of energy. Can dress it up as a green policy while reducing demand.

    And pensioners will get upto £600 in December from their winter fuel allowance, so effectively giving some pensioners £1,000
    A Tory government: printing trillions, borrowing 100s of billions, taxing at random, increasing taxes on employment, dishing devalued money at random out of helicopters, closing down the car industry, stealing from savers by -zero interest rates, stealing from the young by inflating asset prices, 42% marginal tax rate on graduate earners, no support for third children while birth rates plummet.

    What's next? Site Valuation Taxation of Foodbanks?

    Labour's policies, when they get around to having any, are going to be very interesting.

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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    It’s amazing you can construct a policy that chucks money at literally everyone, but still doesn’t really address the problem.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

    Reddit is seething about this. Apparently some of the cops ran in, grabbed their own kids, and ran off. There is also an awful video of some parents getting together to rush the guy and the police stop them.

    They claimed they successfully "contained" the suspect in a classroom. Well yeah - he then proceeded to shoot everyone in the room while they waited outside. DNA tests being done on the kids because the damage was so extensive.

    American police are very quick to shoot you if you're a defenceless black man. Ongoing mass murder? Nah, health and safety checklist first.
    If there is anyone these days, American police generally are not quick to shoot, it is a black man. It's a sure way in many cities and states to losing your job and / or a criminal prosecution.

    In this case, the actions of Police look appalling.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,887
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    There's some ragin' Nats out there:

    Let’s be clear about what has just happened in Edinburgh:

    Labour has seized control of the council with 13 of 63 councillors.

    Only 11 of their own councillors voted in favour of this + 12 Lib Dems.

    Why could this happen anyway?
    Because Labour chose to give positions to Tories.


    https://twitter.com/TanjaBueltmann/status/1529787678635528195

    Because working with the Toreeees is always evil - except when the SNP do it.....
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,527
    edited May 2022
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

    Reddit is seething about this. Apparently some of the cops ran in, grabbed their own kids, and ran off. There is also an awful video of some parents getting together to rush the guy and the police stop them.

    They claimed they successfully "contained" the suspect in a classroom. Well yeah - he then proceeded to shoot everyone in the room while they waited outside. DNA tests being done on the kids because the damage was so extensive.

    American police are very quick to shoot you if you're a defenceless black man. Ongoing mass murder? Nah, health and safety checklist first.
    There another story going round that one of the cops called out for the kids to shout if they needed help - before they’d dealt with the shooter. One did, and was shot.
    Haven’t been able to check its veracity yet.

    Note 40% of the town’s budget went on policing, including a 14 person SWAT team…
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    boulayboulay Posts: 3,913
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

    Reddit is seething about this. Apparently some of the cops ran in, grabbed their own kids, and ran off. There is also an awful video of some parents getting together to rush the guy and the police stop them.

    They claimed they successfully "contained" the suspect in a classroom. Well yeah - he then proceeded to shoot everyone in the room while they waited outside. DNA tests being done on the kids because the damage was so extensive.

    American police are very quick to shoot you if you're a defenceless black man. Ongoing mass murder? Nah, health and safety checklist first.
    As we all know thanks to many Republicans whenever there is a mass shooting “if there was someone there with a gun this massacre wouldn’t have happened”. Shame the US police aren’t armed isn’t it.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,356
    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

    Reddit is seething about this. Apparently some of the cops ran in, grabbed their own kids, and ran off. There is also an awful video of some parents getting together to rush the guy and the police stop them.

    They claimed they successfully "contained" the suspect in a classroom. Well yeah - he then proceeded to shoot everyone in the room while they waited outside. DNA tests being done on the kids because the damage was so extensive.

    American police are very quick to shoot you if you're a defenceless black man. Ongoing mass murder? Nah, health and safety checklist first.
    There was a shooting in the UK a few years back, IIRC, in a tiny village/hamlet. The police stopped the ambulance/first aiders entering while people bled to to death, because the area wasn't "secure". Anyone remember the incident?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,887
    boulay said:

    As we all know thanks to many Republicans whenever there is a mass shooting “if there was someone there with a gun this massacre wouldn’t have happened”. Shame the US police aren’t armed isn’t it.


    Things I have learned today... It is illegal to own more than six dildos in Texas. Guns though - buy as many as you want...

    https://onwardtexas.org/trending/is-it-illegal-to-own-more-than-six-dildos-in-texas-yes-it-is/
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,356
    Scott_xP said:

    boulay said:

    As we all know thanks to many Republicans whenever there is a mass shooting “if there was someone there with a gun this massacre wouldn’t have happened”. Shame the US police aren’t armed isn’t it.


    Things I have learned today... It is illegal to own more than six dildos in Texas. Guns though - buy as many as you want...

    https://onwardtexas.org/trending/is-it-illegal-to-own-more-than-six-dildos-in-texas-yes-it-is/
    The "anti-Leon" law.....
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    THIS THREAD HAS PERFORMED A U-TURN Policy modification
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,887

    The "anti-Leon" law.....

    First they came for the flint-knappers...
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

    Reddit is seething about this. Apparently some of the cops ran in, grabbed their own kids, and ran off. There is also an awful video of some parents getting together to rush the guy and the police stop them.

    They claimed they successfully "contained" the suspect in a classroom. Well yeah - he then proceeded to shoot everyone in the room while they waited outside. DNA tests being done on the kids because the damage was so extensive.

    American police are very quick to shoot you if you're a defenceless black man. Ongoing mass murder? Nah, health and safety checklist first.
    There was a shooting in the UK a few years back, IIRC, in a tiny village/hamlet. The police stopped the ambulance/first aiders entering while people bled to to death, because the area wasn't "secure". Anyone remember the incident?
    I know Manchester Arena first responders were held back by the police...seems a bit of a pattern....
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,356
    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

    Reddit is seething about this. Apparently some of the cops ran in, grabbed their own kids, and ran off. There is also an awful video of some parents getting together to rush the guy and the police stop them.

    They claimed they successfully "contained" the suspect in a classroom. Well yeah - he then proceeded to shoot everyone in the room while they waited outside. DNA tests being done on the kids because the damage was so extensive.

    American police are very quick to shoot you if you're a defenceless black man. Ongoing mass murder? Nah, health and safety checklist first.
    There another story going round that one of the cops called out for the kids to shout if they needed help - before they’d dealt with the shooter. One did, and was shot.
    Haven’t been able to check its veracity yet.

    Note 40% of the town’s budget went on policing, including a 14 person SWAT team…
    Probably looked like this -

    image

    Meal Team 6
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,356

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

    Reddit is seething about this. Apparently some of the cops ran in, grabbed their own kids, and ran off. There is also an awful video of some parents getting together to rush the guy and the police stop them.

    They claimed they successfully "contained" the suspect in a classroom. Well yeah - he then proceeded to shoot everyone in the room while they waited outside. DNA tests being done on the kids because the damage was so extensive.

    American police are very quick to shoot you if you're a defenceless black man. Ongoing mass murder? Nah, health and safety checklist first.
    There was a shooting in the UK a few years back, IIRC, in a tiny village/hamlet. The police stopped the ambulance/first aiders entering while people bled to to death, because the area wasn't "secure". Anyone remember the incident?
    I know Manchester Arena first responders were held back by the police...seems a bit of a pattern....
    When the bus/underground bombings occurred in London, who was holding back who in the underground stations is somewhat... hazy. Even after the enquiries. But it happened there as well.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,672
    edited May 2022

    Nigelb said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Jeez.

    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529671100157894657
    According to officials:
    - the shooter went in a classroom and locked the door
    - police on scene left him in there
    - when border patrol showed up they couldn’t break down the door
    - after 40-60m they got a member of the school staff to unlock it with a key https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

    Reddit is seething about this. Apparently some of the cops ran in, grabbed their own kids, and ran off. There is also an awful video of some parents getting together to rush the guy and the police stop them.

    They claimed they successfully "contained" the suspect in a classroom. Well yeah - he then proceeded to shoot everyone in the room while they waited outside. DNA tests being done on the kids because the damage was so extensive.

    American police are very quick to shoot you if you're a defenceless black man. Ongoing mass murder? Nah, health and safety checklist first.
    There another story going round that one of the cops called out for the kids to shout if they needed help - before they’d dealt with the shooter. One did, and was shot.
    Haven’t been able to check its veracity yet.

    Note 40% of the town’s budget went on policing, including a 14 person SWAT team…
    Probably looked like this -

    image

    Meal Team 6
    You do need some heavy duty transport for such. Used to be this sort of thing in general - see pics in this link - but the rules got changed to armoured wheeled vehicles.

    https://tankandafvnews.com/2015/11/28/police-m113-gallery/
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