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Even the oldies are now giving Johnson negative ratings – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited May 22 in General
imageEven the oldies are now giving Johnson negative ratings – politicalbetting.com

One of the features of Boris Johnson’s approval ratings over the last few months is that however bad it has got with younger voters he has been in positive territory amongst the oldies. That has now come to an end.

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157
    First to post from a sunny st Martins, Scilly
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,138
    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157
    So who is going to be conspicuously absent from PMQ and will labour be doing football chants about him
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 3,839
    edited May 18
    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111
    edited May 18
    Selebian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    First to post from a sunny st Martins, Scilly

    Well, if we're going down that route, first to post from a sunny N Yorks, dafty.
    First from a sunny SE Scotland; just been back from a walk through the bluebell woods.

    Missed most of the discussion of old railways on the last thread. It had never occurred to me that the 19th century Haytor Tramway on Dartmoor, built of granite like a giant Brio set, which I mwentioned the other week, had such respectably antiquarian antecedents.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,814
    On topic is there a comparable chart for Starmer ?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 8,012
    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157
    Details of the MP’s arrest emerged during what the government had hoped would be “crime week”, with announcements on toughening up policing. The prime minister told his cabinet on Tuesday morning: “Crime, crime, crime is what we want to focus on.”

    Grauniad. Lol.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 30,747
    Carnyx said:

    Selebian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    First to post from a sunny st Martins, Scilly

    Well, if we're going down that route, first to post from a sunny N Yorks, dafty.
    First from a sunny SE Scotland; just been back from a walk through the bluebell woods.

    Missed most of the discussion of old railways on the last thread. It had never occurred to me that the 19th century Haytor Tramway on Dartmoor, built of granite like a giant Brio set, which I mwentioned the other week, had such respectably antiquarian antecedents.
    A few years back we had a poster who wrote a book on early railways and plateways around the UK. It's rather good - I'll see if I can find it on my shelves. Can't remember who the poster was, either...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 19,170
    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Somebody has already been wrongly named - at least two Tory MPs have been trending for this reason since the news came out and therefore at least one of them has definitely been libelled.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 23,619
    NEW: V&A urged to investigate why a Conservative fundraising event auctioned off a private tour of the museum with its chair and trustee Nicholas Coleridge - following this Sunday's MoS column

    Story today by @jessicaelgot: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/17/va-at-centre-of-row-over-auction-of-private-tour-as-prize-at-tory-fundraising-event
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    IshmaelZ said:

    So who is going to be conspicuously absent from PMQ and will labour be doing football chants about him

    I assume the Speaker will admonish Hon Members to not abuse their parliamentary privilege.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,522
    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111
    edited May 18
    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    How do you know they are Grauniad readers?

    Edit: could be readers of impeccably Tory, hang and flog em, newspapers.

    And we cant'; check as the DM has switched comments off on the story.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,574
    IshmaelZ said:

    Details of the MP’s arrest emerged during what the government had hoped would be “crime week”, with announcements on toughening up policing. The prime minister told his cabinet on Tuesday morning: “Crime, crime, crime is what we want to focus on.”

    Grauniad. Lol.

    As the old joke about the infamous West Midlands Serious Crime Squad had it:

    "Let's get out there and commit some serious crime."
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 782

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Most politically aware?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 9,595
    GIN1138 said:


    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...

    LOL. He's still a tory so fuck him.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 3,839
    Carnyx said:

    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    How do you know they are Grauniad readers?

    Edit: could be readers of impeccably Tory, hang and flog em, newspapers.
    Seems unlikely Guardian readers would be using #ToryRapist. For most Guardian readers, #Tory is enough, surely? Don't need to add 'babyeater' or 'rapist' or anything else, it's all implied, right? :wink:
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 9,068
    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    Fatcha.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: V&A urged to investigate why a Conservative fundraising event auctioned off a private tour of the museum with its chair and trustee Nicholas Coleridge - following this Sunday's MoS column

    Story today by @jessicaelgot: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/17/va-at-centre-of-row-over-auction-of-private-tour-as-prize-at-tory-fundraising-event

    What 's the problem? He's not a Tory MP is he?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 34,010
    Carnyx said:

    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    How do you know they are Grauniad readers?

    Edit: could be readers of impeccably Tory, hang and flog em, newspapers.

    And we cant'; check as the DM has switched comments off on the story.
    Lots of judges, juries and executioners on PB when it comes to profiling folks saying nasty things about Tories.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: V&A urged to investigate why a Conservative fundraising event auctioned off a private tour of the museum with its chair and trustee Nicholas Coleridge - following this Sunday's MoS column

    Story today by @jessicaelgot: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/17/va-at-centre-of-row-over-auction-of-private-tour-as-prize-at-tory-fundraising-event

    What 's the problem? He's not a Tory MP is he?
    As ever with these hit pieces, the obligatory quotes they bury at the bottom tell a different story to the rest of the article.

    In a statement, the V&A said: “The V&A understands that a short tour of the museum with Nicholas Coleridge was offered at auction at the spring lunch. No V&A staff or resources were involved and no special access to the museum was offered. We understand that neither Ben Elliot or Nicholas Coleridge attended the event.”

    A Conservative party spokesman said that the event had been arranged by Women2Win, which campaigns to elect more Conservative women. “This was not a Conservative party event and Ben Elliot had no involvement in it.”
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111

    Carnyx said:

    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    How do you know they are Grauniad readers?

    Edit: could be readers of impeccably Tory, hang and flog em, newspapers.

    And we cant'; check as the DM has switched comments off on the story.
    Lots of judges, juries and executioners on PB when it comes to profiling folks saying nasty things about Tories.
    Poor snowflakey dears.

    BTW have you seen these re Mr Fraser's favoured fitba team. and his former colleague Prof T?

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147098.glasgows-george-square-prepped-rangers-celebrations-benches-removed/

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147079.scottish-independence-adam-tomkins-says-yes-win-indyref2-held-tomorrow/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 18,315
    "China Eastern airliner ‘brought down from cockpit’
    Nose-dive crash that killed 132 people must have been deliberate, US experts find" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-airliner-brought-down-from-cockpit-drnsl5f3f
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,202
    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    Do they, really ?

    Or are you indulging in the sort of speculative hyperbole you're purporting to condemn ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 100,923
    It should be remembered in 1997 Blair won over 65s by 41% to 36% for Major's Tories.

    The fact even now over 65s still prefer Johnson's Tories to Starmer Labour by a 27% margin shows how Starmer is still nowhere near the same sense of momentum Blair had going into the 1997 general election

    https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/how-britain-voted-1997
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,202
    Why is this person one of the favourites to be next PM ?

    https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1526827809800339456
    Minister: Rachel Maclean's word were mischaracterised.

    Kay: How?

    Minister: I didn't see the interview.

    Here's what @trussliz had to say when we asked her to comment on her colleague's words from earlier this week...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111
    edited May 18
    Applicant said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: V&A urged to investigate why a Conservative fundraising event auctioned off a private tour of the museum with its chair and trustee Nicholas Coleridge - following this Sunday's MoS column

    Story today by @jessicaelgot: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/17/va-at-centre-of-row-over-auction-of-private-tour-as-prize-at-tory-fundraising-event

    What 's the problem? He's not a Tory MP is he?
    As ever with these hit pieces, the obligatory quotes they bury at the bottom tell a different story to the rest of the article.

    In a statement, the V&A said: “The V&A understands that a short tour of the museum with Nicholas Coleridge was offered at auction at the spring lunch. No V&A staff or resources were involved and no special access to the museum was offered. We understand that neither Ben Elliot or Nicholas Coleridge attended the event.”

    A Conservative party spokesman said that the event had been arranged by Women2Win, which campaigns to elect more Conservative women. “This was not a Conservative party event and Ben Elliot had no involvement in it.”
    Nevertheless, it is a standard principle of being a trustee of any charity or public body not to take action that leads to any conflict of interest with one's primary duty to the body. There was most certainly special access to V&A resources, in the form of Mr Coleridge himself by virtye of his position. Mr Coleridge was undoubtedly quite wrong to use his connection with the museum as a political fundraising point.

    Edit: as would the case be for any political organization. Even fundraising for another charity is a bit iffy.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 36,885
    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Surely there cannot be anyone who does not know who the alleged villian is.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,157
    Applicant said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Somebody has already been wrongly named - at least two Tory MPs have been trending for this reason since the news came out and therefore at least one of them has definitely been libelled.
    Applicant said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Somebody has already been wrongly named - at least two Tory MPs have been trending for this reason since the news came out and therefore at least one of them has definitely been libelled.
    Yawn, it is very clear who it is and who it isn't and anyway saying x has been arrested for rape is not saying x is a rapist
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 8,012
    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 6,372
    edited May 18
    Nigelb said:

    Why is this person one of the favourites to be next PM ?

    https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1526827809800339456
    Minister: Rachel Maclean's word were mischaracterised.

    Kay: How?

    Minister: I didn't see the interview.

    Here's what @trussliz had to say when we asked her to comment on her colleague's words from earlier this week...

    Seems entirely reasonable to me.

    Unfortunately the 'gotcha' media loves to mischaracterise what people of all parties have to say, and that applies yes to Labour politicians as much as Tory ones too, and Kay Burley is one of the worst for it. You don't need to have seen the interview if as Truss goes on to say she knows the person to believe that the words are being mischaracterised.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,202
    malcolmg said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Surely there cannot be anyone who does not know who the alleged villian is.
    I don't.
    My Twitter browsing is clearly somewhat selective.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,138
    edited May 18
    malcolmg said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Surely there cannot be anyone who does not know who the alleged villian is.
    The biggest unpersoning since Ryan Giggs, Megan Stammers, Olga D and John Venables.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    Nope, the hyper-woke is the one after that - Blair's and Brown's children.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 14,615
    Applicant said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    Nope, the hyper-woke is the one after that - Blair's and Brown's children.
    Is that why Boris is trying to redress the balance by producing so many of his own?
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Pulpstar said:

    malcolmg said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Surely there cannot be anyone who does not know who the alleged villian is.
    The biggest unpersoning since Ryan Giggs, Megan Stammers and John Venables.
    I still recall the Elton John superinjunction, and all the gags that were going around at the time. But I shan't be making any similar insinuations on the current case.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 9,068
    Nigelb said:

    malcolmg said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Surely there cannot be anyone who does not know who the alleged villian is.
    I don't.
    My Twitter browsing is clearly somewhat selective.
    Yeah I also have no idea. I'm more of a fan of judicial due process, if there is a case to answer the man's name will be made public in due course.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 36,885

    Nigelb said:

    Why is this person one of the favourites to be next PM ?

    https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1526827809800339456
    Minister: Rachel Maclean's word were mischaracterised.

    Kay: How?

    Minister: I didn't see the interview.

    Here's what @trussliz had to say when we asked her to comment on her colleague's words from earlier this week...

    Seems entirely reasonable to me.

    Unfortunately the 'gotcha' media loves to mischaracterise what people of all parties have to say, and that applies yes to Labour politicians as much as Tory ones too, and Kay Burley is one of the worst for it. You don't need to have seen the interview if as Truss goes on to say she knows the person to believe that the words are being mischaracterised.
    You are as dumb as Truss then and rather partisan , so nothing to see here.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,496
    Pretty confusing bar chart. How about putting the bars in the natural age sequence? Then you would see a more interesting and varied pattern. Did it come from the LibDem school of graphery founded by Darrell Huff?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 9,068

    Applicant said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    Nope, the hyper-woke is the one after that - Blair's and Brown's children.
    Is that why Boris is trying to redress the balance by producing so many of his own?
    Haven't his kids stopped talking to him?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 22,721
    Gee. It's almost as if free speech is complicated.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 6,372
    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why is this person one of the favourites to be next PM ?

    https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1526827809800339456
    Minister: Rachel Maclean's word were mischaracterised.

    Kay: How?

    Minister: I didn't see the interview.

    Here's what @trussliz had to say when we asked her to comment on her colleague's words from earlier this week...

    Seems entirely reasonable to me.

    Unfortunately the 'gotcha' media loves to mischaracterise what people of all parties have to say, and that applies yes to Labour politicians as much as Tory ones too, and Kay Burley is one of the worst for it. You don't need to have seen the interview if as Truss goes on to say she knows the person to believe that the words are being mischaracterised.
    You are as dumb as Truss then and rather partisan , so nothing to see here.
    Getting called partisan by you is highly amusing.

    If it was Salmond who was being mischaracterised you'd be saying so straight away.

    Burley is infamous for it. We all know it, regardless of partisan politics.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,138

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,529
    Nigelb said:

    Why is this person one of the favourites to be next PM ?

    https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1526827809800339456
    Minister: Rachel Maclean's word were mischaracterised.

    Kay: How?

    Minister: I didn't see the interview.

    Here's what @trussliz had to say when we asked her to comment on her colleague's words from earlier this week...

    There's one issue about posting links to Twatter; when one goes and looks, after a minute or two one gets invited to join.

    It's like linking to a Daily Mail reference; a week later an invite arrives to become associated in some way with the Conservative party.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 6,372
    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the early 2000s apart from Tuition Fees the primary student political protest causes all seemed to be about either Palestine or Tibet.

    The latter has been forgotten about, the former has not.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 9,068
    Applicant said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    Nope, the hyper-woke is the one after that - Blair's and Brown's children.
    So growing up under Thatcher made people left wing, while growing up under Blair and Brown also made people left wing?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 22,721
    Doesn't seem like the price of petrol has deterred folk from eating their lunch in their cars with the engine running on an exceptionally beautiful day.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 34,010
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    How do you know they are Grauniad readers?

    Edit: could be readers of impeccably Tory, hang and flog em, newspapers.

    And we cant'; check as the DM has switched comments off on the story.
    Lots of judges, juries and executioners on PB when it comes to profiling folks saying nasty things about Tories.
    Poor snowflakey dears.

    BTW have you seen these re Mr Fraser's favoured fitba team. and his former colleague Prof T?

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147098.glasgows-george-square-prepped-rangers-celebrations-benches-removed/

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147079.scottish-independence-adam-tomkins-says-yes-win-indyref2-held-tomorrow/
    Neither, so thanks for bringing them to my attention. The People smashing up their own city because they won/lost in Seville would be the most Rangers thing ever.

    Mr T's honesty on that particular aspect is to be commended and probably reflects the true position of lots of Unionists. Their paradoxical position of claiming any indy ref would inevitably be won for the Union while doing everything in their power to prevent one can only be sustained for so long without folk pointing and laughing at them. In fact I've already started..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,529
    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    We carried on alarmingly about apartheid. At least subsequent generations have been able to move on a little bit.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,529

    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the early 2000s apart from Tuition Fees the primary student political protest causes all seemed to be about either Palestine or Tibet.

    The latter has been forgotten about, the former has not.
    I think it's 'seems to have been forgotten about'; people are still disgusted by the Chinese treatment of another Asian culture.
    Just not as visible these days.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 30,747
    Andy_JS said:

    "China Eastern airliner ‘brought down from cockpit’
    Nose-dive crash that killed 132 people must have been deliberate, US experts find" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-airliner-brought-down-from-cockpit-drnsl5f3f

    I may owe @Leon a slight apology over this if it turns out to be deliberate. When it happened, he immediately went for the most dramatic cause of pilot suicide because the first video showed the plane going straight down. I then pointed out cases where planes went straight down due to mechanical failure.

    However: it would be very convenient for Boeing and the US to say the pilot caused it, rather than mechanical failure, and such excuses are somewhat controversial - it is easy to blame a dead pilot.

    It'll be interesting to know what the CVR shows.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 6,372

    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the early 2000s apart from Tuition Fees the primary student political protest causes all seemed to be about either Palestine or Tibet.

    The latter has been forgotten about, the former has not.
    I think it's 'seems to have been forgotten about'; people are still disgusted by the Chinese treatment of another Asian culture.
    Just not as visible these days.
    Indeed but now it's all about China's treatment of the Uighurs.

    When was the last time you saw a prominent Free Tibet protest?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 14,615
    Pulpstar said:

    malcolmg said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Surely there cannot be anyone who does not know who the alleged villian is.
    The biggest unpersoning since Ryan Giggs, Megan Stammers, Olga D and John Venables.
    I still have no idea who the middle two are!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 23,828
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    How do you know they are Grauniad readers?

    Edit: could be readers of impeccably Tory, hang and flog em, newspapers.

    And we cant'; check as the DM has switched comments off on the story.
    Lots of judges, juries and executioners on PB when it comes to profiling folks saying nasty things about Tories.
    Poor snowflakey dears.

    BTW have you seen these re Mr Fraser's favoured fitba team. and his former colleague Prof T?

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147098.glasgows-george-square-prepped-rangers-celebrations-benches-removed/

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147079.scottish-independence-adam-tomkins-says-yes-win-indyref2-held-tomorrow/
    Interesting to see that those “The National” articles are “only available to subscribers”

    That’s an innovative marketing device: restricting your potential readership to 6 people, most of them closely related to the editor
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    Yeah, that's a good point. So maybe the hyper-woke are those who grew up during the Brown/Cameron era rather than Blair/Brown.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 40,206
    Selebian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    First to post from a sunny st Martins, Scilly

    Well, if we're going down that route, first to post from a sunny N Yorks, dafty.
    First to post from a place that’s supposed to be really nice and sunny, but is actually a sandy and humid mess today, with visibility less than 1km and the air con struggling.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,202
    .

    Pulpstar said:

    malcolmg said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Surely there cannot be anyone who does not know who the alleged villian is.
    The biggest unpersoning since Ryan Giggs, Megan Stammers, Olga D and John Venables.
    I still have no idea who the middle two are!
    Me either.
    Pretty effective unpersoning, then...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 23,828
    Oh yes, and first to post from a sunny Vikos Gorge


  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 22,721

    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the early 2000s apart from Tuition Fees the primary student political protest causes all seemed to be about either Palestine or Tibet.

    The latter has been forgotten about, the former has not.
    I think it's 'seems to have been forgotten about'; people are still disgusted by the Chinese treatment of another Asian culture.
    Just not as visible these days.
    Indeed but now it's all about China's treatment of the Uighurs.

    When was the last time you saw a prominent Free Tibet protest?
    They were outside the PRC Embassy yesterday.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 40,206
    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the late ‘90s, the biggest student protest was against selling KitKat bars in the Union shop.

    Shortly after that, it was against the NUS themselves, for being so far up Blair’s arse that they were in favour of tuition fees.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Andy_JS said:

    "China Eastern airliner ‘brought down from cockpit’
    Nose-dive crash that killed 132 people must have been deliberate, US experts find" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-airliner-brought-down-from-cockpit-drnsl5f3f

    I may owe @Leon a slight apology over this if it turns out to be deliberate. When it happened, he immediately went for the most dramatic cause of pilot suicide because the first video showed the plane going straight down. I then pointed out cases where planes went straight down due to mechanical failure.

    However: it would be very convenient for Boeing and the US to say the pilot caused it, rather than mechanical failure, and such excuses are somewhat controversial - it is easy to blame a dead pilot.

    It'll be interesting to know what the CVR shows.
    Reading between the lines, the CVR proabably shows nothing. IIRC on Germanwings 9525 it didn't.

    Here's a non-paywall version: https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/18/chinese-eastern-airlines-plane-likely-crashed-deliberately-16664897/
  • LeonLeon Posts: 23,828
    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,574
    Interesting graph...


  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111

    Nigelb said:

    Why is this person one of the favourites to be next PM ?

    https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1526827809800339456
    Minister: Rachel Maclean's word were mischaracterised.

    Kay: How?

    Minister: I didn't see the interview.

    Here's what @trussliz had to say when we asked her to comment on her colleague's words from earlier this week...

    There's one issue about posting links to Twatter; when one goes and looks, after a minute or two one gets invited to join.

    It's like linking to a Daily Mail reference; a week later an invite arrives to become associated in some way with the Conservative party.
    Just click on the lower box, and then delete the next invite screen with the x in the top corner - then it goes away and you can look at another tranche of twats.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 14,615
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Pulpstar said:

    malcolmg said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Surely there cannot be anyone who does not know who the alleged villian is.
    The biggest unpersoning since Ryan Giggs, Megan Stammers, Olga D and John Venables.
    I still have no idea who the middle two are!
    Me either.
    Pretty effective unpersoning, then...
    I love a bit of crime fiction, but true crime has no interest for me whatsoever, not really sure why.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111
    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    How do you know they are Grauniad readers?

    Edit: could be readers of impeccably Tory, hang and flog em, newspapers.

    And we cant'; check as the DM has switched comments off on the story.
    Lots of judges, juries and executioners on PB when it comes to profiling folks saying nasty things about Tories.
    Poor snowflakey dears.

    BTW have you seen these re Mr Fraser's favoured fitba team. and his former colleague Prof T?

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147098.glasgows-george-square-prepped-rangers-celebrations-benches-removed/

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147079.scottish-independence-adam-tomkins-says-yes-win-indyref2-held-tomorrow/
    Interesting to see that those “The National” articles are “only available to subscribers”

    That’s an innovative marketing device: restricting your potential readership to 6 people, most of them closely related to the editor
    Like the DT and Times, too. Doesn't stop PBTories opining on the stories, mind. So they must be paying.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    How do you know they are Grauniad readers?

    Edit: could be readers of impeccably Tory, hang and flog em, newspapers.

    And we cant'; check as the DM has switched comments off on the story.
    Lots of judges, juries and executioners on PB when it comes to profiling folks saying nasty things about Tories.
    Poor snowflakey dears.

    BTW have you seen these re Mr Fraser's favoured fitba team. and his former colleague Prof T?

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147098.glasgows-george-square-prepped-rangers-celebrations-benches-removed/

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147079.scottish-independence-adam-tomkins-says-yes-win-indyref2-held-tomorrow/
    Neither, so thanks for bringing them to my attention. The People smashing up their own city because they won/lost in Seville would be the most Rangers thing ever.

    Mr T's honesty on that particular aspect is to be commended and probably reflects the true position of lots of Unionists. Their paradoxical position of claiming any indy ref would inevitably be won for the Union while doing everything in their power to prevent one can only be sustained for so long without folk pointing and laughing at them. In fact I've already started..
    Yes, the Manc treatment is a worry. There was a certain irony in the statue-bothering panic over a gang of staunch defenders gathering to protect the Churchill WS stachoo in the centre of town against a completely nonexistent threat - and then a few weeks later the thing getting damaged by Rangers in a patriotic frenzy, I think you said. I can't even remember if they had won or lost.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 3,335
    How to pronounce the South East, for Soviet Polish spies.

  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,305
    First time I've got it in 2

    Wordle 333 2/6*

    ⬜⬜⬜🟨⬜
    🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 6,258
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    Well at the very least it's nice to know you feel conflicted.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,529

    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the early 2000s apart from Tuition Fees the primary student political protest causes all seemed to be about either Palestine or Tibet.

    The latter has been forgotten about, the former has not.
    I think it's 'seems to have been forgotten about'; people are still disgusted by the Chinese treatment of another Asian culture.
    Just not as visible these days.
    Indeed but now it's all about China's treatment of the Uighurs.

    When was the last time you saw a prominent Free Tibet protest?
    Saw something about the Dalai Lama the other day, but you're right. Sad; reading up on the history of Tibet is on my bucket list, but it might be another of those things that I never get round to doing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 40,206

    Interesting graph...


    Printing money leads to inflation, really? Who would ever have thought that…
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 22,721
    The other reason Free Tibet has disappeared is the position of the Dalai Lama.
    He has moved to a position of accepting PRC rule, and a focus on better conditions.
    Free Tibet is an independence movement.
    No Dalai Lama = no support.
  • eekeek Posts: 20,255
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    MrEd said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL


    Twitter is such a cesspit!

    They've got the #ToryRapist tried and convicted based on nothing other the fact he's a Tory and if REDACTED is the same name that was trending last night it seems he's entirely innocent and has been libeled by hundreds, maybe thousands of people...
    Yes, funny how the Grauniad readers are the first to stand up for defendants' rights and freedoms when it's a planeload of paedophiles and rapists being deported but when the word "Tory" is mentioned, they act as Judge, Jury and Executioner.
    How do you know they are Grauniad readers?

    Edit: could be readers of impeccably Tory, hang and flog em, newspapers.

    And we cant'; check as the DM has switched comments off on the story.
    Lots of judges, juries and executioners on PB when it comes to profiling folks saying nasty things about Tories.
    Poor snowflakey dears.

    BTW have you seen these re Mr Fraser's favoured fitba team. and his former colleague Prof T?

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147098.glasgows-george-square-prepped-rangers-celebrations-benches-removed/

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/20147079.scottish-independence-adam-tomkins-says-yes-win-indyref2-held-tomorrow/
    Interesting to see that those “The National” articles are “only available to subscribers”

    That’s an innovative marketing device: restricting your potential readership to 6 people, most of them closely related to the editor
    Like the DT and Times, too. Doesn't stop PBTories opining on the stories, mind. So they must be paying.
    Telegraph uses an easy to bypass javascript based paywall - I've posted before how to bypass it (https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome )

    The Times has a proper firewall so I don't link to things there.

    FT articles can be read if they are linked to on twitter or if you hit google and search for the headline..

  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 8,967
    Applicant said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "China Eastern airliner ‘brought down from cockpit’
    Nose-dive crash that killed 132 people must have been deliberate, US experts find" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-airliner-brought-down-from-cockpit-drnsl5f3f

    I may owe @Leon a slight apology over this if it turns out to be deliberate. When it happened, he immediately went for the most dramatic cause of pilot suicide because the first video showed the plane going straight down. I then pointed out cases where planes went straight down due to mechanical failure.

    However: it would be very convenient for Boeing and the US to say the pilot caused it, rather than mechanical failure, and such excuses are somewhat controversial - it is easy to blame a dead pilot.

    It'll be interesting to know what the CVR shows.
    Reading between the lines, the CVR proabably shows nothing. IIRC on Germanwings 9525 it didn't.

    Here's a non-paywall version: https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/18/chinese-eastern-airlines-plane-likely-crashed-deliberately-16664897/
    I thought that in the Germanwings case it showed that one pilot repeatedly pressed the button to keep his colleague locked out of the cockpit? That seemed quite suggestive.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,529
    edited May 18
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    How do you know she's not enjoying it. Odd creatures, cats.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,305
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    I recommend you never buy hens and a rooster.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 9,595
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    Just don't mention the tom's name on here or all the wannabe milk monitors will have a fit.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 22,721

    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the early 2000s apart from Tuition Fees the primary student political protest causes all seemed to be about either Palestine or Tibet.

    The latter has been forgotten about, the former has not.
    I think it's 'seems to have been forgotten about'; people are still disgusted by the Chinese treatment of another Asian culture.
    Just not as visible these days.
    Indeed but now it's all about China's treatment of the Uighurs.

    When was the last time you saw a prominent Free Tibet protest?
    Saw something about the Dalai Lama the other day, but you're right. Sad; reading up on the history of Tibet is on my bucket list, but it might be another of those things that I never get round to doing.
    Should do. It's fascinating. It isn't all what you'd think.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 6,372
    .
    dixiedean said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the early 2000s apart from Tuition Fees the primary student political protest causes all seemed to be about either Palestine or Tibet.

    The latter has been forgotten about, the former has not.
    I think it's 'seems to have been forgotten about'; people are still disgusted by the Chinese treatment of another Asian culture.
    Just not as visible these days.
    Indeed but now it's all about China's treatment of the Uighurs.

    When was the last time you saw a prominent Free Tibet protest?
    They were outside the PRC Embassy yesterday.
    A few people with connections to Tibet?

    Or a large scale prominent protest led by students without any connections to Tibet, like you still see with Palestine?

    The latter seems to have completely died off. We seem in the past quarter of a century to have moved from concerns over Tian'an'men Square, Tibet, Hong Kong and now to the Uighurs. There's a common thread there, but nothing remains forefront like Palestine has.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 23,828

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    Well at the very least it's nice to know you feel conflicted.
    That’s not particularly constructive. The German table next to me is furiously pretending it’s not even happening

    It’s like the she cat is Ukraine, the tomcat is Russia, and the Germans are, well, the Germans.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 9,068
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    Just don't tell us the tom cat's name.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 6,482
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    Pass them the paperwork to apply to be backbench MPs.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,305
    Leon said:

    Oh yes, and first to post from a sunny Vikos Gorge


    Reminds me of the Vintgar Gorge in Slovenia. https://www.bled.si/en/what-to-see-do/attractions/6/vintgar-gorge/
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,529
    dixiedean said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the early 2000s apart from Tuition Fees the primary student political protest causes all seemed to be about either Palestine or Tibet.

    The latter has been forgotten about, the former has not.
    I think it's 'seems to have been forgotten about'; people are still disgusted by the Chinese treatment of another Asian culture.
    Just not as visible these days.
    Indeed but now it's all about China's treatment of the Uighurs.

    When was the last time you saw a prominent Free Tibet protest?
    Saw something about the Dalai Lama the other day, but you're right. Sad; reading up on the history of Tibet is on my bucket list, but it might be another of those things that I never get round to doing.
    Should do. It's fascinating. It isn't all what you'd think.
    I'm sure it is. The ups and downs of nations and peoples usually are. Nearest I've got so far is once lecturing on Adult Education to a group which included a couple of very courteous Bhutanese.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 22,721
    edited May 18

    .

    dixiedean said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Applicant said:

    So what accounts for Boris doing most badly with the 45-54 range? Wisdom through experience but not yet affected by senility?

    Think about when that cohort was growing up - it's always been more Tory-sceptic than the cohort immediately following.
    But I keep hearing from one or two posters on here that the cohort immediately following is so mind-bendingly woke that it amounts to a civilizational threat, yet they're more tolerant of Boris 'Culture Wars' Johnson than the generation of their accusers. Curious.
    No, the woke generation is somewhat later - I can't really remember any sort of political protest cause or movement when I was at Uni in the early 2000s. Since ~ 2010 they've come by the trolley load.
    In the early 2000s apart from Tuition Fees the primary student political protest causes all seemed to be about either Palestine or Tibet.

    The latter has been forgotten about, the former has not.
    I think it's 'seems to have been forgotten about'; people are still disgusted by the Chinese treatment of another Asian culture.
    Just not as visible these days.
    Indeed but now it's all about China's treatment of the Uighurs.

    When was the last time you saw a prominent Free Tibet protest?
    They were outside the PRC Embassy yesterday.
    A few people with connections to Tibet?

    Or a large scale prominent protest led by students without any connections to Tibet, like you still see with Palestine?

    The latter seems to have completely died off. We seem in the past quarter of a century to have moved from concerns over Tian'an'men Square, Tibet, Hong Kong and now to the Uighurs. There's a common thread there, but nothing remains forefront like Palestine has.
    As I said above. No Dalai Lama = no movement.
    He is literally the living emanation of the Buddha's wisdom.
    That doesn't mean Tibetans are a monolith, but it's difficult to sustain a movement when the undisputed leader disagrees with the cause.
  • ajbajb Posts: 47

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    How do you know she's not enjoying it. Odd creatures, cats.

    Cats are 'stimulated ovulators' which means the tom has some vicous barbs on the end of his todger, the action of which causes the egg to be released. Cat sex normally starts with the queen asking for it and ends with her beating up the tom. Even it she wanted it at the start (which is normally the case) she probably isn't enjoying it.

    Nature isn't fair unfortunately.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 40,206
    Applicant said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "China Eastern airliner ‘brought down from cockpit’
    Nose-dive crash that killed 132 people must have been deliberate, US experts find" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-airliner-brought-down-from-cockpit-drnsl5f3f

    I may owe @Leon a slight apology over this if it turns out to be deliberate. When it happened, he immediately went for the most dramatic cause of pilot suicide because the first video showed the plane going straight down. I then pointed out cases where planes went straight down due to mechanical failure.

    However: it would be very convenient for Boeing and the US to say the pilot caused it, rather than mechanical failure, and such excuses are somewhat controversial - it is easy to blame a dead pilot.

    It'll be interesting to know what the CVR shows.
    Reading between the lines, the CVR proabably shows nothing. IIRC on Germanwings 9525 it didn't.

    Here's a non-paywall version: https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/18/chinese-eastern-airlines-plane-likely-crashed-deliberately-16664897/
    Discussion of this accident on aviation forum: 500 posts and counting.
    https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/645805-china-eastern-737-800-mu5735-accident-march-2022-a.html
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 3,993
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    Well at the very least it's nice to know you feel conflicted.
    That’s not particularly constructive. The German table next to me is furiously pretending it’s not even happening

    It’s like the she cat is Ukraine, the tomcat is Russia, and the Germans are, well, the Germans.
    The queen puss will clearly win eurovision in that case. You should ominously offer the Germans a wooden spoon.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Applicant said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "China Eastern airliner ‘brought down from cockpit’
    Nose-dive crash that killed 132 people must have been deliberate, US experts find" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-airliner-brought-down-from-cockpit-drnsl5f3f

    I may owe @Leon a slight apology over this if it turns out to be deliberate. When it happened, he immediately went for the most dramatic cause of pilot suicide because the first video showed the plane going straight down. I then pointed out cases where planes went straight down due to mechanical failure.

    However: it would be very convenient for Boeing and the US to say the pilot caused it, rather than mechanical failure, and such excuses are somewhat controversial - it is easy to blame a dead pilot.

    It'll be interesting to know what the CVR shows.
    Reading between the lines, the CVR proabably shows nothing. IIRC on Germanwings 9525 it didn't.

    Here's a non-paywall version: https://metro.co.uk/2022/05/18/chinese-eastern-airlines-plane-likely-crashed-deliberately-16664897/
    I thought that in the Germanwings case it showed that one pilot repeatedly pressed the button to keep his colleague locked out of the cockpit? That seemed quite suggestive.
    Right, yes, sorry. I meant no voices, not no sounds at all.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 36,885
    Nigelb said:

    malcolmg said:

    Selebian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Trending in United Kingdom
    #ToryRapist
    Trending with REDACTED

    LOL

    D'oh for Twitter. You'd think they'd have the sense to remove that from their front page, at least (even the hashtag alone, which is going to be on lots of potentially libellous speculative tweets).

    Edit: though they love the traffic and being the uncensored source for this kind of stuff, I guess. Very damaging though, potentially. Anyone could be wrongly named and it could go crazy very fast.
    Surely there cannot be anyone who does not know who the alleged villian is.
    I don't.
    My Twitter browsing is clearly somewhat selective.
    Has been speculated for long long time Nigel, right from the initial inquiry 2 years ago , amazing how selective they are when they are looking at their own.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 29,754
    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table

    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    I'd let it go if I were you. Usually a bad idea to do the 'have a go hero' thing when overmatched.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111
    ajb said:


    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table


    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    How do you know she's not enjoying it. Odd creatures, cats.

    Cats are 'stimulated ovulators' which means the tom has some vicous barbs on the end of his todger, the action of which causes the egg to be released. Cat sex normally starts with the queen asking for it and ends with her beating up the tom. Even it she wanted it at the start (which is normally the case) she probably isn't enjoying it.

    Nature isn't fair unfortunately.
    Doesn't the male also have to bite the back of the female's neck? Or is that just lions?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,111
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    I’m sitting on a sunny terrace in Monodendri and some poor she-cat is being brutally raped by a large vicious tom cat right under the table

    I never know what to do in these situations. You see it constantly with ducks. Basically all they do is quack and rape

    Does one intervene, or politely look away?

    I'd let it go if I were you. Usually a bad idea to do the 'have a go hero' thing when overmatched.
    Might cat-ch something too.

    https://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/diseases/cat-scratch.html
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,574
    Sandpit said:

    Interesting graph...


    Printing money leads to inflation, really? Who would ever have thought that…
    Not the BoE.
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