Good projection for Macron and Le Pen. Macron up 4% on what he got in the 2017 first round and Le Pen up 2 or 3% on what she got in the first round last time.
Reasonably good result for Melenchon too who is projected to be up slightly too on what he got last time and his supporters will likely now determine who wins the Presidency in the runoff. Macron will need a majority of them to turn out and vote for him in the runoff despite their dislike of his economic policies because they dislike Le Pen's social policies.
Terrible projection for Pecresse, down 15% on what Fillon got in 2017 when he was Les Republicains candidate. Poor result for Hidalgo too who is also down 4% on what the Socialist party's 2017 candidate Hamon got.
OK result for Zemmour in that he beat Pecresse but he would have hoped for a higher voteshare. Most of his supporters will now probably switch to Le Pen in the runoff
Andrew Neil @afneil · 14m French Communist party calls on voters to switch to Macron in round 2. Not all will by any means. Not many Communist voters these days anyway. Green leader also endorses Macron. He has more votes at 4%.
Do you have anything to back up your guess Mike? Melenchon supporters and leftists have been telling media for weeks and months they switch to Le Pen this time - ever since they stood together in yellow jackets vowing to stop France’s Rishi Sunak from imposing France’s “Thatcherism” throughout his second term.
I bow to everyone’s superior understanding of politics and political betting, if PB still feel this looks same as last time, with Macron still in with a chance of a second round win. To me the electorate is behaving in a completely different way.
Fillion/Pecresse 20% to 5% Le Pen + Zemmour 30% And Melenchon supporters (20% again) vowing to cast anti Macron votes.
By Tuesday evening polls can show Le Pen lead, probably all of them right through to voting day
Apparently the Portuguese communists are behind Putin.
That's an okay result for Macron I suppose.
I'm not that sure about him but Le Pen has to lose. I cannot contemplate a politician so enamoured with Vladimir Putin. It shows either a total lack of judgment or something even more sinister. Consider what he did in the Donbass. What he did in Syria. His murderous rule at home destroying any opposition. The absence of the rule of law. The state controlled media telling poisonous lies and stirring up paranoia and hatred on a daily basis. That didn't start on 22 February even if it has got even worse since then. It has been clear for nearly twenty years. And she had a picture of him on her campaign literature. Intolerable.
I'm reassured. Looking through the results, including the very minor parties, I just can't see enough switching to Le Pen in a fortnight, even if there's a lot of abstentions. Even a really pessimistic, worst-scene scenario bit of maths doesn't get Le Pen past 48%.
What would have been most amazing, 20 years ago, would have been the thought that the combined vote of socialist+ Gaulist presidential candidates would be comfortably under 10%.
Nobody should admire Franco for any reason. Of course HYUFD talks again of stuff he didn't live thru' (unlike many of us who were around when he was in power and visited Spain), although a quick look at Wikipedia answers the question as to whether he should be admired for anything.
I know nothing about Franco except a vague sense that he was not a good guy based on the fact he was close to Mussolini and Peron. Is that unfair, or can I stick him on my list of shit I don’t to know about?
Franco was a butcher who overthrew a democratic government and slaughtered his opponents wholesale. One can make two mitigating claims for him. He stayed out of WW2, to the disappointment of Hitler, which enabled us to maintain Gibaltar. And in his later years, he largely stopped murdering people and it became possible to expressed mild dissent at an individual level without getting arrested.
All things are relative. He was arguably marginally less bad than Mussolini, and certainly less bad than Hitler.
I was pondering the relative evil/nastiness of various dictators and tyrants the other day. Impossible to do objectively of course but my list of a few notables, with the vilest at the top, would be:
Hitler (of course) Mao Stalin Pol Pot Putin (new entry) Mussolini Franco Kim Il-sung
Do you have anything to back up your guess Mike? Melenchon supporters and leftists have been telling media for weeks and months they switch to Le Pen this time - ever since they stood together in yellow jackets vowing to stop France’s Rishi Sunak from imposing France’s “Thatcherism” throughout his second term.
I bow to everyone’s superior understanding of politics and political betting, if PB still feel this looks same as last time, with Macron still in with a chance of a second round win. To me the electorate is behaving in a completely different way.
Fillion/Pecresse 20% to 5% Le Pen + Zemmour 30% And Melenchon supporters (20% again) vowing to cast anti Macron votes.
By Tuesday evening polls can show Le Pen lead, probably all of them right through to voting day
£10 bet that there are no polls showing a Le Pen lead from the restart of polling, until the actual election.
Nobody should admire Franco for any reason. Of course HYUFD talks again of stuff he didn't live thru' (unlike many of us who were around when he was in power and visited Spain), although a quick look at Wikipedia answers the question as to whether he should be admired for anything.
I know nothing about Franco except a vague sense that he was not a good guy based on the fact he was close to Mussolini and Peron. Is that unfair, or can I stick him on my list of shit I don’t to know about?
Franco was a butcher who overthrew a democratic government and slaughtered his opponents wholesale. One can make two mitigating claims for him. He stayed out of WW2, to the disappointment of Hitler, which enabled us to maintain Gibaltar. And in his later years, he largely stopped murdering people and it became possible to expressed mild dissent at an individual level without getting arrested.
All things are relative. He was arguably marginally less bad than Mussolini, and certainly less bad than Hitler.
I was pondering the relative evil/nastiness of various dictators and tyrants the other day. Impossible to do objectively of course but my list of a few notables, with the vilest at the top, would be:
Hitler (of course) Mao Stalin Pol Pot Putin (new entry) Mussolini Franco Kim Il-sung
Nobody should admire Franco for any reason. Of course HYUFD talks again of stuff he didn't live thru' (unlike many of us who were around when he was in power and visited Spain), although a quick look at Wikipedia answers the question as to whether he should be admired for anything.
I know nothing about Franco except a vague sense that he was not a good guy based on the fact he was close to Mussolini and Peron. Is that unfair, or can I stick him on my list of shit I don’t to know about?
Franco was a butcher who overthrew a democratic government and slaughtered his opponents wholesale. One can make two mitigating claims for him. He stayed out of WW2, to the disappointment of Hitler, which enabled us to maintain Gibaltar. And in his later years, he largely stopped murdering people and it became possible to expressed mild dissent at an individual level without getting arrested.
All things are relative. He was arguably marginally less bad than Mussolini, and certainly less bad than Hitler.
I was pondering the relative evil/nastiness of various dictators and tyrants the other day. Impossible to do objectively of course but my list of a few notables, with the vilest at the top, would be:
Hitler (of course) Mao Stalin Pol Pot Putin (new entry) Mussolini Franco Kim Il-sung
Not sure I go with that. Hitler was a corporate kinda guy, they had a whole conference about the way forward. In Wannsee. Mussolini was a nice bloke who at least initially tried to throttle back the whole anti jewish thang. Kim is just a loser, not even any good at being bad.
Nobody should admire Franco for any reason. Of course HYUFD talks again of stuff he didn't live thru' (unlike many of us who were around when he was in power and visited Spain), although a quick look at Wikipedia answers the question as to whether he should be admired for anything.
I know nothing about Franco except a vague sense that he was not a good guy based on the fact he was close to Mussolini and Peron. Is that unfair, or can I stick him on my list of shit I don’t to know about?
Franco was a butcher who overthrew a democratic government and slaughtered his opponents wholesale. One can make two mitigating claims for him. He stayed out of WW2, to the disappointment of Hitler, which enabled us to maintain Gibaltar. And in his later years, he largely stopped murdering people and it became possible to expressed mild dissent at an individual level without getting arrested.
All things are relative. He was arguably marginally less bad than Mussolini, and certainly less bad than Hitler.
I was pondering the relative evil/nastiness of various dictators and tyrants the other day. Impossible to do objectively of course but my list of a few notables, with the vilest at the top, would be:
Hitler (of course) Mao Stalin Pol Pot Putin (new entry) Mussolini Franco Kim Il-sung
Pol Pot was madder and more murderous than Stalin - he was in a smaller country, so less people to murder.
Putin vs Mussolini - hmmm. Mussolini was generally not especially murderous of opponents* - the murder of one opposition MP nearly brought him down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Matteotti). Abyssinia vs Chechnya and Ukraine.... hmmmmm
*In his first incarnation. The Salo Republic was a deeply vile Nazi state, though.
Mélenchon takes to the microphone, chanted by the crowd as a winner. Key passage, repeated three times: "we must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single to Madame Le Pen."
I'm toying with calling the piece 'The Death of Stalinism'
Yet Putin is carrying out in Ukraine Stalin's exact strategy for Poland. It's as if he had dug out the KGB manual on destroying a country's independent existence. I'm wondering who his Valery Blokhin is.
Nobody should admire Franco for any reason. Of course HYUFD talks again of stuff he didn't live thru' (unlike many of us who were around when he was in power and visited Spain), although a quick look at Wikipedia answers the question as to whether he should be admired for anything.
I know nothing about Franco except a vague sense that he was not a good guy based on the fact he was close to Mussolini and Peron. Is that unfair, or can I stick him on my list of shit I don’t to know about?
Franco was a butcher who overthrew a democratic government and slaughtered his opponents wholesale. One can make two mitigating claims for him. He stayed out of WW2, to the disappointment of Hitler, which enabled us to maintain Gibaltar. And in his later years, he largely stopped murdering people and it became possible to expressed mild dissent at an individual level without getting arrested.
All things are relative. He was arguably marginally less bad than Mussolini, and certainly less bad than Hitler.
I was pondering the relative evil/nastiness of various dictators and tyrants the other day. Impossible to do objectively of course but my list of a few notables, with the vilest at the top, would be:
Hitler (of course) Mao Stalin Pol Pot Putin (new entry) Mussolini Franco Kim Il-sung
Not sure I go with that. Hitler was a corporate kinda guy, they had a whole conference about the way forward. In Wannsee. Mussolini was a nice bloke who at least initially tried to throttle back the whole anti jewish thang. Kim is just a loser, not even any good at being bad.
Lol "Hitler was a corporate kinda guy" - that's alright then.
Six million Jews but it was a corporate decision, what's a Führer to do, eh?
Anyone else think it might be Le Pen vs Melenchon in 2027 ?
Pecresse's performance was woeful - and En Marche seems like such a personal vehicle for Macron in presidential terms.
No, the centre right will likely put up a better candidate next time like Xavier Bertrand who after 15 years of the centre right out of the Elysee will have a chance to win.
Assuming Macron is re elected he will have been President for 10 years in 2027 and unlikely to run again
Mélenchon takes to the microphone, chanted by the crowd as a winner. Key passage, repeated three times: "we must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single to Madame Le Pen."
I'm toying with calling the piece 'The Death of Stalinism'
Yet Putin is carrying out in Ukraine Stalin's exact strategy for Poland. It's as if he had dug out the KGB manual on destroying a country's independent existence. I'm wondering who his Valery Blokhin is.
Do you have anything to back up your guess Mike? Melenchon supporters and leftists have been telling media for weeks and months they switch to Le Pen this time - ever since they stood together in yellow jackets vowing to stop France’s Rishi Sunak from imposing France’s “Thatcherism” throughout his second term.
I bow to everyone’s superior understanding of politics and political betting, if PB still feel this looks same as last time, with Macron still in with a chance of a second round win. To me the electorate is behaving in a completely different way.
Fillion/Pecresse 20% to 5% Le Pen + Zemmour 30% And Melenchon supporters (20% again) vowing to cast anti Macron votes.
By Tuesday evening polls can show Le Pen lead, probably all of them right through to voting day
Last time they split something like 60-25 in favour of Macron. Like last time, most Mélenchon votes today were sympathisers of other left-wing movements settling for the most electable left-wing candidate, not committed anti-system activists, which is clear from the polling dynamics of Jadot, Hidalgo, Taubira and even Roussel by the end.
I'm reassured. Looking through the results, including the very minor parties, I just can't see enough switching to Le Pen in a fortnight, even if there's a lot of abstentions. Even a really pessimistic, worst-scene scenario bit of maths doesn't get Le Pen past 48%.
(I now expect to be proved wrong on 24/4).
If most Melenchon voters stay home though and she gets a few to back it could still be close, assuming nearly all Zemmour and Dupont Aignan voters back her and if she gets some Pecresse voters to back her as well
Mélenchon takes to the microphone, chanted by the crowd as a winner. Key passage, repeated three times: "we must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single to Madame Le Pen."
Mélenchon takes to the microphone, chanted by the crowd as a winner. Key passage, repeated three times: "we must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single to Madame Le Pen."
Nobody should admire Franco for any reason. Of course HYUFD talks again of stuff he didn't live thru' (unlike many of us who were around when he was in power and visited Spain), although a quick look at Wikipedia answers the question as to whether he should be admired for anything.
I know nothing about Franco except a vague sense that he was not a good guy based on the fact he was close to Mussolini and Peron. Is that unfair, or can I stick him on my list of shit I don’t to know about?
Franco was a butcher who overthrew a democratic government and slaughtered his opponents wholesale. One can make two mitigating claims for him. He stayed out of WW2, to the disappointment of Hitler, which enabled us to maintain Gibaltar. And in his later years, he largely stopped murdering people and it became possible to expressed mild dissent at an individual level without getting arrested.
All things are relative. He was arguably marginally less bad than Mussolini, and certainly less bad than Hitler.
I was pondering the relative evil/nastiness of various dictators and tyrants the other day. Impossible to do objectively of course but my list of a few notables, with the vilest at the top, would be:
Hitler (of course) Mao Stalin Pol Pot Putin (new entry) Mussolini Franco Kim Il-sung
Pol Pot was madder and more murderous than Stalin - he was in a smaller country, so less people to murder.
Putin vs Mussolini - hmmm. Mussolini was generally not especially murderous of opponents* - the murder of one opposition MP nearly brought him down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Matteotti). Abyssinia vs Chechnya and Ukraine.... hmmmmm
*In his first incarnation. The Salo Republic was a deeply vile Nazi state, though.
As an aside, tonight's Antiques Roadshow featured a woman who'd been an "abandoned" child in Mao's Great Leap Forward.
Nobody should admire Franco for any reason. Of course HYUFD talks again of stuff he didn't live thru' (unlike many of us who were around when he was in power and visited Spain), although a quick look at Wikipedia answers the question as to whether he should be admired for anything.
I know nothing about Franco except a vague sense that he was not a good guy based on the fact he was close to Mussolini and Peron. Is that unfair, or can I stick him on my list of shit I don’t to know about?
Franco was a butcher who overthrew a democratic government and slaughtered his opponents wholesale. One can make two mitigating claims for him. He stayed out of WW2, to the disappointment of Hitler, which enabled us to maintain Gibaltar. And in his later years, he largely stopped murdering people and it became possible to expressed mild dissent at an individual level without getting arrested.
All things are relative. He was arguably marginally less bad than Mussolini, and certainly less bad than Hitler.
I was pondering the relative evil/nastiness of various dictators and tyrants the other day. Impossible to do objectively of course but my list of a few notables, with the vilest at the top, would be:
Hitler (of course) Mao Stalin Pol Pot Putin (new entry) Mussolini Franco Kim Il-sung
Not sure I go with that. Hitler was a corporate kinda guy, they had a whole conference about the way forward. In Wannsee. Mussolini was a nice bloke who at least initially tried to throttle back the whole anti jewish thang. Kim is just a loser, not even any good at being bad.
Lol "Hitler was a corporate kinda guy" - that's alright then.
Six million Jews but it was a corporate decision, what's a Führer to do, eh?
I think that might have gone “whoosh” over your head on the piss-take front.
Yesterday I was told by the Cabinet Office: “The Independent Adviser on Ministers’ Interests has confirmed that they are completely satisfied with the steps the Chancellor has taken to meet the requirements of the Code”. So either they were lying, or this is totally cosmetic. https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1513222080770236420
Nobody should admire Franco for any reason. Of course HYUFD talks again of stuff he didn't live thru' (unlike many of us who were around when he was in power and visited Spain), although a quick look at Wikipedia answers the question as to whether he should be admired for anything.
I know nothing about Franco except a vague sense that he was not a good guy based on the fact he was close to Mussolini and Peron. Is that unfair, or can I stick him on my list of shit I don’t to know about?
Franco was a butcher who overthrew a democratic government and slaughtered his opponents wholesale. One can make two mitigating claims for him. He stayed out of WW2, to the disappointment of Hitler, which enabled us to maintain Gibaltar. And in his later years, he largely stopped murdering people and it became possible to expressed mild dissent at an individual level without getting arrested.
All things are relative. He was arguably marginally less bad than Mussolini, and certainly less bad than Hitler.
I was pondering the relative evil/nastiness of various dictators and tyrants the other day. Impossible to do objectively of course but my list of a few notables, with the vilest at the top, would be:
Hitler (of course) Mao Stalin Pol Pot Putin (new entry) Mussolini Franco Kim Il-sung
Not sure I go with that. Hitler was a corporate kinda guy, they had a whole conference about the way forward. In Wannsee. Mussolini was a nice bloke who at least initially tried to throttle back the whole anti jewish thang. Kim is just a loser, not even any good at being bad.
Lol "Hitler was a corporate kinda guy" - that's alright then.
Six million Jews but it was a corporate decision, what's a Führer to do, eh?
I think that might have gone “whoosh” over your head on the piss-take front.
Is there a possible north/south hawk/dove divide in Europe with regards to the war. By north I mean us, Scandanavia, the Baltics and Poland on one side and the rest of Europe on the other? It certainly feels a bit like that.
Anyone else think it might be Le Pen vs Melenchon in 2027 ?
Macron definitely has a problem. Who comes next?
5 years is a long time. The worst of the post covid inflation will be over well before the next election, and Macron is still a young man.
Does France have term limits? Can he stand again?
Yes you can only have two terms as President . If Macron does win then who takes up the mantle of more centrist candidate next time . The traditional left and right are in a terrible state and it could well be far left v far right next time !
Bad night for Pecresse and Zemmour. It looks 60/40 to Macron in a fortnight to me.
A comfortable win for Macron in the next round. The French will always do whatever is necessary to make sure the far right never get a sniff. Some very weird predictions on here. Wish fulfillment by the Tory Brexiteers I suspect
Do you have anything to back up your guess Mike? Melenchon supporters and leftists have been telling media for weeks and months they switch to Le Pen this time - ever since they stood together in yellow jackets vowing to stop France’s Rishi Sunak from imposing France’s “Thatcherism” throughout his second term.
I bow to everyone’s superior understanding of politics and political betting, if PB still feel this looks same as last time, with Macron still in with a chance of a second round win. To me the electorate is behaving in a completely different way.
Fillion/Pecresse 20% to 5% Le Pen + Zemmour 30% And Melenchon supporters (20% again) vowing to cast anti Macron votes.
By Tuesday evening polls can show Le Pen lead, probably all of them right through to voting day
We've all been poised by our betting slips waiting for your latest predictions
Do you have anything to back up your guess Mike? Melenchon supporters and leftists have been telling media for weeks and months they switch to Le Pen this time - ever since they stood together in yellow jackets vowing to stop France’s Rishi Sunak from imposing France’s “Thatcherism” throughout his second term.
I bow to everyone’s superior understanding of politics and political betting, if PB still feel this looks same as last time, with Macron still in with a chance of a second round win. To me the electorate is behaving in a completely different way.
Fillion/Pecresse 20% to 5% Le Pen + Zemmour 30% And Melenchon supporters (20% again) vowing to cast anti Macron votes.
By Tuesday evening polls can show Le Pen lead, probably all of them right through to voting day
Last time they split something like 60-25 in favour of Macron. Like last time, most Mélenchon votes today were sympathisers of other left-wing movements settling for the most electable left-wing candidate, not committed anti-system activists, which is clear from the polling dynamics of Jadot, Hidalgo, Taubira and even Roussel by the end.
There’s no point arguing about it when I have the answer handy 🙂
Fillion and Melenchon had 40% last time, it’s now 25. There’s a lot of abstentions in that 40% that was not a vote for Macron last time, and he’s now viewed different than last time, more concern on the left for Macrons Thatcherite reforms these days, less concern on the left for Le Pen being anti EU and determined to control immigration.
Anyone else think it might be Le Pen vs Melenchon in 2027 ?
Macron definitely has a problem. Who comes next?
Édouard Philippe, mayor of Le Havre, EM's first PM until he kind of became more popular than the boss? Anyway, he is the centrist candidate-in-waiting, a left-leaning conservative instead of a right-leaning Socialist but basically appealing to the same institutional coalition.
I'm toying with calling the piece 'The Death of Stalinism'
Yet Putin is carrying out in Ukraine Stalin's exact strategy for Poland. It's as if he had dug out the KGB manual on destroying a country's independent existence. I'm wondering who his Valery Blokhin is.
Well, the short version of the piece.
Hitler wasn't all bad, after all he killed Hitler and stopped fascism taking hold in Western Europe for nearly a century, so Putin might be the new Hitler, he might end an evil ideology like Stalinism for a century.
Do you have anything to back up your guess Mike? Melenchon supporters and leftists have been telling media for weeks and months they switch to Le Pen this time - ever since they stood together in yellow jackets vowing to stop France’s Rishi Sunak from imposing France’s “Thatcherism” throughout his second term.
I bow to everyone’s superior understanding of politics and political betting, if PB still feel this looks same as last time, with Macron still in with a chance of a second round win. To me the electorate is behaving in a completely different way.
Fillion/Pecresse 20% to 5% Le Pen + Zemmour 30% And Melenchon supporters (20% again) vowing to cast anti Macron votes.
By Tuesday evening polls can show Le Pen lead, probably all of them right through to voting day
We've all been poised by our betting slips waiting for your latest predictions
Well look at Andy JS post two above yours and tell me nothing has changed.
Mélenchon takes to the microphone, chanted by the crowd as a winner. Key passage, repeated three times: "we must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single to Madame Le Pen."
Bad night for Pecresse and Zemmour. It looks 60/40 to Macron in a fortnight to me.
A comfortable win for Macron in the next round. The French will always do whatever is necessary to make sure the far right never get a sniff. Some very weird predictions on here. Wish fulfillment by the Tory Brexiteers I suspect
Christ....I didn't think Le Pen had a chance, now Rog has spoken, nailed on.....
Mélenchon takes to the microphone, chanted by the crowd as a winner. Key passage, repeated three times: "we must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single to Madame Le Pen."
Do you have anything to back up your guess Mike? Melenchon supporters and leftists have been telling media for weeks and months they switch to Le Pen this time - ever since they stood together in yellow jackets vowing to stop France’s Rishi Sunak from imposing France’s “Thatcherism” throughout his second term.
I bow to everyone’s superior understanding of politics and political betting, if PB still feel this looks same as last time, with Macron still in with a chance of a second round win. To me the electorate is behaving in a completely different way.
Fillion/Pecresse 20% to 5% Le Pen + Zemmour 30% And Melenchon supporters (20% again) vowing to cast anti Macron votes.
By Tuesday evening polls can show Le Pen lead, probably all of them right through to voting day
Last time they split something like 60-25 in favour of Macron. Like last time, most Mélenchon votes today were sympathisers of other left-wing movements settling for the most electable left-wing candidate, not committed anti-system activists, which is clear from the polling dynamics of Jadot, Hidalgo, Taubira and even Roussel by the end.
There’s no point arguing about it when I have the answer handy 🙂
Fillion and Melenchon had 40% last time, it’s now 25. There’s a lot of abstentions in that 40% that was not a vote for Macron last time, and he’s now viewed different than last time, more concern on the left for Macrons Thatcherite reforms these days, less concern on the left for Le Pen being anti EU and determined to control immigration.
There is not "more concern on the left for Macrons Thatcherite reforms these days". This is how they tried to demonise him first time round - not just the left but also the trad. Gaullists - then he largely did not go through with them and reinvented himself as the Covid-protective president. Look at Chevènement as an example of this tendency coming around to Macron. The softening on Le Pen sounds like wishful thinking.
Centre-right: 20.0% to 4.7%. Centre-left: 6.4% to 1.8%.
Roger please explain.
My message has been at first glance it looks like little has changed, but look closer and the electorate are a heck of a lot more… To the right? Hating the establishment even more? Even more anti EU? Even more anti immigration? Even more unhappy in how cost of living crisis, taxation and fairness in general is being handled by Macron?
Take green as an example. Someone in a yellow jacket protesting about fuel prices and fuel tax should not necessarily be thought of as anti-green, it simply shows green agenda’s cannot be rolled out without tax fairness and social justice at the same time.
If I were French I would feel deeply unformatted for Macron's supporters to wave the EU flag in greater number than the tricolour.
So you feel France needs reformatting?
Of course it does. It needs reformatting as “FR4NCE”. No longer “Le Hexagone” but a solid square four sided country to deal with future challenges. Four sides to the country instead of six means two fewer borders to have to keep foreigners out. I believe this is MLP’s plan.
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Betting advice, lay Marine Le Pen like I would lay Marion Maréchal-Le Pen.
Reasonably good result for Melenchon too who is projected to be up slightly too on what he got last time and his supporters will likely now determine who wins the Presidency in the runoff. Macron will need a majority of them to turn out and vote for him in the runoff despite their dislike of his economic policies because they dislike Le Pen's social policies.
Terrible projection for Pecresse, down 15% on what Fillon got in 2017 when he was Les Republicains candidate. Poor result for Hidalgo too who is also down 4% on what the Socialist party's 2017 candidate Hamon got.
OK result for Zemmour in that he beat Pecresse but he would have hoped for a higher voteshare. Most of his supporters will now probably switch to Le Pen in the runoff
@afneil
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French Communist party calls on voters to switch to Macron in round 2. Not all will by any means. Not many Communist voters these days anyway. Green leader also endorses Macron. He has more votes at 4%.
I'm toying with calling the piece 'The Death of Stalinism'
He doesn't directly call on people not to vote for Le Pen.
Edit: Now is is saying "don't give Le Pen a single vote".
I bow to everyone’s superior understanding of politics and political betting, if PB still feel this looks same as last time, with Macron still in with a chance of a second round win. To me the electorate is behaving in a completely different way.
Fillion/Pecresse 20% to 5%
Le Pen + Zemmour 30%
And Melenchon supporters (20% again) vowing to cast anti Macron votes.
By Tuesday evening polls can show Le Pen lead, probably all of them right through to voting day
Ben Page
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Latest revised estimates Emmanuel MACRON
28,5
Marine LE PEN
23,6
Jean-Luc MELENCHON
20,3
Eric ZEMMOUR
7,0
Pecresse's performance was woeful - and En Marche seems like such a personal vehicle for Macron in presidential terms.
That's an okay result for Macron I suppose.
I'm not that sure about him but Le Pen has to lose. I cannot contemplate a politician so enamoured with Vladimir Putin. It shows either a total lack of judgment or something even more sinister. Consider what he did in the Donbass. What he did in Syria. His murderous rule at home destroying any opposition. The absence of the rule of law. The state controlled media telling poisonous lies and stirring up paranoia and hatred on a daily basis. That didn't start on 22 February even if it has got even worse since then. It has been clear for nearly twenty years. And she had a picture of him on her campaign literature. Intolerable.
(I now expect to be proved wrong on 24/4).
Oh Zemmour
Broke my heart
Now I'm aching for you
Mon Zemmour
What's a boy in love
Supposed to do
Hitler (of course)
Mao
Stalin
Pol Pot
Putin (new entry)
Mussolini
Franco
Kim Il-sung
Does someone come up with an alternative that is sufficiently different to be worth voting for without being batso?
Best live map I have found so far:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2022/apr/10/french-election-2020-projected-results-and-latest-results
and best map of results in:
https://www.france24.com/en/live-2022-french-presidential-election-–-first-round-results
*metaphorically
Putin vs Mussolini - hmmm. Mussolini was generally not especially murderous of opponents* - the murder of one opposition MP nearly brought him down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Matteotti). Abyssinia vs Chechnya and Ukraine.... hmmmmm
*In his first incarnation. The Salo Republic was a deeply vile Nazi state, though.
You must not give one vote to #LePen!"
He's not in the second tour...but gained 20% of the vote.
#presidentielles2022
https://t.co/IpqRvVEnBT
Mélenchon takes to the microphone, chanted by the crowd as a winner. Key passage, repeated three times: "we must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single vote to Madame Le Pen. We must not give a single to Madame Le Pen."
https://twitter.com/leonardocarella/status/1513227666391982082?t=YEb79U6V8LkfrOSUaDVz2Q&s=19
Six million Jews but it was a corporate decision, what's a Führer to do, eh?
Assuming Macron is re elected he will have been President for 10 years in 2027 and unlikely to run again
For Le Pen to win she has to succeed in making it a referendum on Macron instead of a referendum on her.
The whole 'citizens of nowhere' speech certainly lands different now. https://adambienkov.substack.com/p/rishi-sunak-and-the-citizens-of-nowhere?s=w https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1513227803243732996/photo/1
I wonder if the northern future forum has legs?
Centre-left: 6.4% to 1.8%.
Fillion and Melenchon had 40% last time, it’s now 25. There’s a lot of abstentions in that 40% that was not a vote for Macron last time, and he’s now viewed different than last time, more concern on the left for Macrons Thatcherite reforms these days, less concern on the left for Le Pen being anti EU and determined to control immigration.
Hitler wasn't all bad, after all he killed Hitler and stopped fascism taking hold in Western Europe for nearly a century, so Putin might be the new Hitler, he might end an evil ideology like Stalinism for a century.
'Hey Siri, find me.....'
And indeed necrophilia is a good Greek word for a reason
My message has been at first glance it looks like little has changed, but look closer and the electorate are a heck of a lot more…
To the right? Hating the establishment even more? Even more anti EU? Even more anti immigration? Even more unhappy in how cost of living crisis, taxation and fairness in general is being handled by Macron?
Take green as an example. Someone in a yellow jacket protesting about fuel prices and fuel tax should not necessarily be thought of as anti-green, it simply shows green agenda’s cannot be rolled out without tax fairness and social justice at the same time.