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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555
    So the video I linked on the last thread - utterly apocalyptic - is verified. It was a Russian air attack on chernihiv. Here is a less harrowing version (still bad enough)


    ⚡️33 people dead, 18 injured as of 6:20 p.m. after Russia conducts air strikes on Chernihiv residential areas, the Stare Emergency Service reports.

    Video: State Emergency Service’

    https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1499431817996345356?s=21

    I just don’t know. I’m all over the place. Can we simply sit back and let Putin do this to every Ukrainian city?

    The blood boils
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    pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,134
    Candidates arriving along with their agents and supporters. Among them Dave4Erdington. Just had a word with GarySambrook89 - upbeat. Someone somewhere has put turnout as low as 25%. Let’s see.

    https://twitter.com/JaneRockHouse/status/1499515085580079109
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    RattersRatters Posts: 803
    edited March 2022
    Leon said:

    According to expert from Royal United Services Institute, Russian are going to fight "proper" now....that means flattening everything.

    https://youtu.be/naPuZgI53Co

    Compulsory viewing, that interview. And deeply concerning. Putin is now going to level Ukraine to the ground, a Genghis Khan type attack; leave nothing alive that is a threat

    I fear that Ukraine should probably surrender. I know that is not a popular opinion on here. But if they don’t, tens of thousands will die, the country will be obliterated - and they will still lose.
    Hard to make people surrender their country. Think of how many we lost in previous wars, most of which (e.g. excluding WWII) were much less existential than this is for Ukraine.

    But we should help those who want to find safety as best we can. And we should never ease sanctions against Russia for as long as Putin is in power, even after the war eventually simmers down.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436
    Bloody good question? Surely there is someone with the guts in the higher echelons of Kremlin? We can only pray.



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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,370
    Leon said:

    So the video I linked on the last thread - utterly apocalyptic - is verified. It was a Russian air attack on chernihiv. Here is a less harrowing version (still bad enough)


    ⚡️33 people dead, 18 injured as of 6:20 p.m. after Russia conducts air strikes on Chernihiv residential areas, the Stare Emergency Service reports.

    Video: State Emergency Service’

    https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1499431817996345356?s=21

    I just don’t know. I’m all over the place. Can we simply sit back and let Putin do this to every Ukrainian city?

    The blood boils

    Yeah ITV showed a censored version that had been verified. Made me think of your link. Bastards. My head knows we can’t send in troops but in my heart I can’t watch this.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555
    A combined Chinese-western first strike on Russia could take the whole country down. Give Siberia to China. Let the west have European Russia

    I’m not even sure I’m joking any more. What a desperate state of affairs
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    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    There do appear to be those onboard with Putin’s behaviour, or course.

    A reporter showed Russians pictures of bombed out buildings in Kharkiv and Kyiv. The reactions are depressing.

    “I’m not even going to look at the photos. I’m for Putin in all respects.”

    “Sure they’re our brotherly nation but it’s not we who are at fault.”

    https://twitter.com/gkates/status/1499500401904787462

    Why you gotta make Russia hit you, Ukraine, don't you know they love you?
    Ever talked to a Trump supporter?

    It gives you the same sense of head-shaking bewilderment.
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Leon said:

    So the video I linked on the last thread - utterly apocalyptic - is verified. It was a Russian air attack on chernihiv. Here is a less harrowing version (still bad enough)


    ⚡️33 people dead, 18 injured as of 6:20 p.m. after Russia conducts air strikes on Chernihiv residential areas, the Stare Emergency Service reports.

    Video: State Emergency Service’

    https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1499431817996345356?s=21

    I just don’t know. I’m all over the place. Can we simply sit back and let Putin do this to every Ukrainian city?

    The blood boils

    Give Ukraine fighter planes.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555
    biggles said:

    Leon said:

    So the video I linked on the last thread - utterly apocalyptic - is verified. It was a Russian air attack on chernihiv. Here is a less harrowing version (still bad enough)


    ⚡️33 people dead, 18 injured as of 6:20 p.m. after Russia conducts air strikes on Chernihiv residential areas, the Stare Emergency Service reports.

    Video: State Emergency Service’

    https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1499431817996345356?s=21

    I just don’t know. I’m all over the place. Can we simply sit back and let Putin do this to every Ukrainian city?

    The blood boils

    Yeah ITV showed a censored version that had been verified. Made me think of your link. Bastards. My head knows we can’t send in troops but in my heart I can’t watch this.
    I wonder if this is deliberate. Putin knows he maybe made a terrible error. They did not expect these ferocious sanctions or this global fury. Total isolation

    One way out is to make the war even nastier, far nastier, and pump it out on social media so the west cannot tolerate the horrors and directly attacks Russia. Then he can turn to his people and say See, I was right, this is a fight for survival against the West - and he escapes the worst consequences of his mistake

    Which means we have to steel ourselves. I fear we are about to witness horrors previously unimaginable - and previously unseen - all over our phones, tablets, TVs. Putin wants us to see them and become blinded with anger
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,147
    The thread that @Leon posted ealier looks to have been written by a Putin fanboi. When the invasion first began, this was his take:

    @ClintEhrlich
    If Russia pulls this off, it could be the single most impressive combined-arms operations in modern history.

    The size and swiftness against a large, well-equipped modern military is nothing short of terrifying.

    Russia is asserting itself as a superpower.

    ...

    Before this conflict, many people were speculating that Ukrainian troops would have a morale advantage, since they'd be defending their homeland.

    As we're seeing, that overlooked the role that Russian shock and awe would play.


    https://twitter.com/ClintEhrlich/status/1496697478166376451
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    There do appear to be those onboard with Putin’s behaviour, or course.

    A reporter showed Russians pictures of bombed out buildings in Kharkiv and Kyiv. The reactions are depressing.

    “I’m not even going to look at the photos. I’m for Putin in all respects.”

    “Sure they’re our brotherly nation but it’s not we who are at fault.”

    https://twitter.com/gkates/status/1499500401904787462

    Why you gotta make Russia hit you, Ukraine, don't you know they love you?
    Ever talked to a Trump supporter?

    It gives you the same sense of head-shaking bewilderment.
    No, never talked to one. Can't get a word in edgeways
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555

    The thread that @Leon posted ealier looks to have been written by a Putin fanboi. When the invasion first began, this was his take:

    @ClintEhrlich
    If Russia pulls this off, it could be the single most impressive combined-arms operations in modern history.

    The size and swiftness against a large, well-equipped modern military is nothing short of terrifying.

    Russia is asserting itself as a superpower.

    ...

    Before this conflict, many people were speculating that Ukrainian troops would have a morale advantage, since they'd be defending their homeland.

    As we're seeing, that overlooked the role that Russian shock and awe would play.


    https://twitter.com/ClintEhrlich/status/1496697478166376451

    He’s a strange mix. Works for Fox but also some more respectable outlets
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,016

    Bloody good question? Surely there is someone with the guts in the higher echelons of Kremlin? We can only pray.



    Not the Daily Mail that's for sure.
    They've printed any old Putinite clickbait for profit.
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,461

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
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    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    edited March 2022

    Bloody good question? Surely there is someone with the guts in the higher echelons of Kremlin? We can only pray.



    It is a pecularity of Russian history that the Ivan the Terribles and Stalins tend to die in their beds while Boris Gudunov, Alexander II, Nicholas II, Kerensky and Gorbachev are overthrown or assassinated.

    But hopefully Putin will be like Paul II or Krushchev - overthrown once they had gone dangerously mad.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    edited March 2022
    I can't help but fear Putin is sitting out there somewhere getting a self satisfied erection at the thought his chubby cheeks are now filling tens of millions with fear and hundreds of millions with anxiety.

    To him if people fear him he is powerful. If he is powerful Russia is powerful. Ergo any price can be paid to make people fear him.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,011

    According to expert from Royal United Services Institute, Russian are going to fight "proper" now....that means flattening everything.

    https://youtu.be/naPuZgI53Co

    Maybe this is a stupid question, but is there any chance they might run out of firepower? How many missiles, artillery, etc, have they got.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436

    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
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    2m
    Mad Vladimir Putin brands Ukrainians ‘extreme gangsters’ — as his army slaughter women and children
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    dixiedean said:

    Bloody good question? Surely there is someone with the guts in the higher echelons of Kremlin? We can only pray.



    Not the Daily Mail that's for sure.
    They've printed any old Putinite clickbait for profit.
    I know it is Guido, but this is a start.

    https://order-order.com/2022/03/03/russian-businessman-puts-million-dollar-bounty-on-putin/

    Maybe the Mail vould add a million to the bounty?
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,054
    edited March 2022
    Fishing said:

    Bloody good question? Surely there is someone with the guts in the higher echelons of Kremlin? We can only pray.



    It is a pecularity of Russian history that the Ivan the Terribles and Stalins tend to die in their beds while Boris Gudunov, Alexander II, Nicholas II, Kerensky and Gorbachev are overthrown or assassinated.
    Is it that peculiar or Russian? If you are not strong enough you are liable to lose authority even if you are not a bad person. If you are strong enough then so long as you are not too stupid - eg by provoking external powers greater than yours or being just plain mad - you can maintain stable brutality for a good long while. People can endure a great deal.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    Andy_JS said:

    According to expert from Royal United Services Institute, Russian are going to fight "proper" now....that means flattening everything.

    https://youtu.be/naPuZgI53Co

    Maybe this is a stupid question, but is there any chance they might run out of firepower? How many missiles, artillery, etc, have they got.
    Artillery I think literally Tons
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    LDLFLDLF Posts: 144
    edited March 2022
    Once again the two traditionally, formerly main political parties in France are likely to play very little role in this election and Macron will be re-elected as Co-Prince of Andorra.
    What happens after Macron's second term? His party was created as a vehicle for him and is made in his image; it even shares his initials.
    Will he use his second term to annoint a successor, or does one of the two traditional parties re-emerge eventually?
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    Fishing said:

    Bloody good question? Surely there is someone with the guts in the higher echelons of Kremlin? We can only pray.



    It is a pecularity of Russian history that the Ivan the Terribles and Stalins tend to die in their beds while Boris Gudunov, Alexander II, Nicholas II, Kerensky and Gorbachev are overthrown or assassinated.

    But hopefully Putin will be like Paul II or Krushchev - overthrown once they had gone dangerously mad.
    Sorry - Paul I. Also Peter III.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,834
    dixiedean said:

    Bloody good question? Surely there is someone with the guts in the higher echelons of Kremlin? We can only pray.



    Not the Daily Mail that's for sure.
    They've printed any old Putinite clickbait for profit.
    Hurrah for the Blackshirts!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436
    kle4 said:

    I can't help but fear Putin is sitting out there somewhere getting a self satisfied erection at the thought his chubby cheeks are now filling tens of millions with fear and hundreds of millions with anxiety.

    To him if people fear him he is powerful. If he is powerful Russia is powerful. Ergo any price can be paid to make people fear him.

    He hasn't changed since he was chasing rats as an eight year old back in the 'hood.

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,830
    UK ambassador to Poland really struggling to defend her government’s refugee asylum policy on Newsnight.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    Andy_JS said:

    According to expert from Royal United Services Institute, Russian are going to fight "proper" now....that means flattening everything.

    https://youtu.be/naPuZgI53Co

    Maybe this is a stupid question, but is there any chance they might run out of firepower? How many missiles, artillery, etc, have they got.
    Apparently they've more or less run out of precision missiles, so now there'll be a shift to shorter range artillery and bombing sorties. Both of which will be substantially more damaging to civilians, but also much easier for Ukrainians to take out. By most accounts the Ukrainian's have substantial amounts of Stingers and organised units behind Russian lines.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,011


    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    ·
    2m
    Mad Vladimir Putin brands Ukrainians ‘extreme gangsters’ — as his army slaughter women and children

    There must be someone in the Kremlin who's thinking of a way to get rid of Putin atm.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,635
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    BigRich said:

    Are they counting the By-election in Birmingham tonight, or in the morning and do we know what time to expect the results? does a low tern out = quick results?

    According to the Birmingham Mail website the count takes place tonight with a result expected in the early hours of the morning.
    And on this topic, expectation management from Labour:

    Labour says it's looking "really tight"

    PA news reports a Labour source said: “The weather’s absolutely grim and turnout is looking extremely low. It’s going to be really tight.”

    A Tory source said Boris Johnson’s party was expecting a “respectable showing”.


    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-erdington-voters-go-23279522
    It’s not having Nick P there what lost it, the smooth old Jag of campaigners 🙂

    This is a bloody nose for the complacent Starmer and his front bench.

    I remember In 2012 George Galloway won Bradford. Thst Day mori had Labour on 38% for a three percent opinion poll lead national, very similar to latest polls, 3 years later labour didn’t have that bad general election year in England. Meanwhile in Erdington today, it’s a seat moving to towards the Conservatives, when he first got it Dromey only had a 3K majority same as last time. it’s hugely Leave, probably only still Labour because of incumbency of skilled MP. Brexit Party stood against Boris in 2019 and got 4%, if. Tories swallow that they are only 3% swing away from winning by my maths. It will be a very low turn out, and there are so many other attractive places Labour votes can go if they see the Labour candidate as weak, to the left where there is an effective left campaigner who can steal 3 or 4 % from Labour himself, some leave voters will turn towards the levelling up agenda of the Conservatives, or towards the election form horse Libdems.

    This will not be a shock Tory gain. It will be the increased votes of Lib Dem, Green and TUC which mainly wins it for them. It does not mean Boris is safe as houses. It means mid term by elections favour challengers. If Tories win this it should not be bigged up as significant for all the reasons I have explained.
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,555
    Andy_JS said:

    According to expert from Royal United Services Institute, Russian are going to fight "proper" now....that means flattening everything.

    https://youtu.be/naPuZgI53Co

    Maybe this is a stupid question, but is there any chance they might run out of firepower? How many missiles, artillery, etc, have they got.
    The RUSI guy addresses that. The Russians are running out of more sophisticated stuff like cruise missiles BUT they have plenty of more brutal, traditional kit - artillery, rockets, bombs. Unfortunately this is another reason the war is likely to get much worse. Indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets is on the menu. The Full Grozny
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,436
    hydrocarbons are Putin's ATM & we have to stop it - HR McMaster (Newsnight)
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,789
    This with almost 20k likes accuses Anne-Marie Trevelyan of taking Russian cash

    Just one problem, Alexander Temerko is Ukrainian

    He is literally a Ukrainian refugee having fled to London after Putin's Russia launched what the UK judged to be a "politically motivated" prosecution


    https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1499348234283720704
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,830
    Not good.

    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1499521886534967298
    01:00 EET Fierce fighting has been going on for more than an hour on the approaches to the Nuclear Power plant in Enerhodar. Ukrainian Armed Forces keep the defense. There are killed and wounded but the exact number is not yet known - city mayor
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,789
    On the superb job the EU is doing on sanctions.....

    FAZ informs us that the Swift sanctions are essentially dead in the water. Only seven banks, representing a quarter of the Russian banking sector, are subject to the sanctions. What happened is that once this sanctions list went through the mill of talks with member states, only this pared-down lists survives. The EU originally promised to hit 70% of the Russian banking system. One reason for the exclusion of Sberbank is the deposits held by savers in the bank’s EU subsidiaries. It would have triggered massive deposit insurance claims.

    https://www.eurointelligence.com/
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,281
    Is this Yokel?


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    mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,150

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    BigRich said:

    Are they counting the By-election in Birmingham tonight, or in the morning and do we know what time to expect the results? does a low tern out = quick results?

    According to the Birmingham Mail website the count takes place tonight with a result expected in the early hours of the morning.
    And on this topic, expectation management from Labour:

    Labour says it's looking "really tight"

    PA news reports a Labour source said: “The weather’s absolutely grim and turnout is looking extremely low. It’s going to be really tight.”

    A Tory source said Boris Johnson’s party was expecting a “respectable showing”.


    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-erdington-voters-go-23279522
    It’s not having Nick P there what lost it, the smooth old Jag of campaigners 🙂

    This is a bloody nose for the complacent Starmer and his front bench.

    I remember In 2012 George Galloway won Bradford. Thst Day mori had Labour on 38% for a three percent opinion poll lead national, very similar to latest polls, 3 years later labour didn’t have that bad general election year in England. Meanwhile in Erdington today, it’s a seat moving to towards the Conservatives, when he first got it Dromey only had a 3K majority same as last time. it’s hugely Leave, probably only still Labour because of incumbency of skilled MP. Brexit Party stood against Boris in 2019 and got 4%, if. Tories swallow that they are only 3% swing away from winning by my maths. It will be a very low turn out, and there are so many other attractive places Labour votes can go if they see the Labour candidate as weak, to the left where there is an effective left campaigner who can steal 3 or 4 % from Labour himself, some leave voters will turn towards the levelling up agenda of the Conservatives, or towards the election form horse Libdems.

    This will not be a shock Tory gain. It will be the increased votes of Lib Dem, Green and TUC which mainly wins it for them. It does not mean Boris is safe as houses. It means mid term by elections favour challengers. If Tories win this it should not be bigged up as significant for all the reasons I have explained.
    I don't expect (or welcome) a Tory gain, but if they do, I don't buy your special pleading. It would reinforce a pattern of Labour underperformance in the Midlands, and Labour strategists would do well to reflect on it.
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    state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,422
    edited March 2022
    mwadams said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    BigRich said:

    Are they counting the By-election in Birmingham tonight, or in the morning and do we know what time to expect the results? does a low tern out = quick results?

    According to the Birmingham Mail website the count takes place tonight with a result expected in the early hours of the morning.
    And on this topic, expectation management from Labour:

    Labour says it's looking "really tight"

    PA news reports a Labour source said: “The weather’s absolutely grim and turnout is looking extremely low. It’s going to be really tight.”

    A Tory source said Boris Johnson’s party was expecting a “respectable showing”.


    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-erdington-voters-go-23279522
    It’s not having Nick P there what lost it, the smooth old Jag of campaigners 🙂

    This is a bloody nose for the complacent Starmer and his front bench.

    I remember In 2012 George Galloway won Bradford. Thst Day mori had Labour on 38% for a three percent opinion poll lead national, very similar to latest polls, 3 years later labour didn’t have that bad general election year in England. Meanwhile in Erdington today, it’s a seat moving to towards the Conservatives, when he first got it Dromey only had a 3K majority same as last time. it’s hugely Leave, probably only still Labour because of incumbency of skilled MP. Brexit Party stood against Boris in 2019 and got 4%, if. Tories swallow that they are only 3% swing away from winning by my maths. It will be a very low turn out, and there are so many other attractive places Labour votes can go if they see the Labour candidate as weak, to the left where there is an effective left campaigner who can steal 3 or 4 % from Labour himself, some leave voters will turn towards the levelling up agenda of the Conservatives, or towards the election form horse Libdems.

    This will not be a shock Tory gain. It will be the increased votes of Lib Dem, Green and TUC which mainly wins it for them. It does not mean Boris is safe as houses. It means mid term by elections favour challengers. If Tories win this it should not be bigged up as significant for all the reasons I have explained.
    I don't expect (or welcome) a Tory gain, but if they do, I don't buy your special pleading. It would reinforce a pattern of Labour underperformance in the Midlands, and Labour strategists would do well to reflect on it.
    Tories have all the planets in line for this through sheer luck - weather, war, midlands , lethargy , end of covid - word is its too close to call- the solution to a by-election wordle is "shock"
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,370
    edited March 2022
    We need to collectively vote that be and his cronies won’t be allowed to just move on abs go back to normal if he destroys and pacified Ukraine. If that happens, they get the NK treatment until he goes.
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    RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,168
    Still expect a comfortable Labour win, but I wonder if Andy Street is a big factor in Labour's Midlands problem.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,168
    LDLF said:

    Once again the two traditionally, formerly main political parties in France are likely to play very little role in this election and Macron will be re-elected as Co-Prince of Andorra.
    What happens after Macron's second term? His party was created as a vehicle for him and is made in his image; it even shares his initials.
    Will he use his second term to annoint a successor, or does one of the two traditional parties re-emerge eventually?

    Even if Macron is re elected as President, Les Republicains have a reasonable chance of winning the legislative elections in June
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    biggles said:

    We need to collectively vote that be and his cronies won’t be allowed to just move on abs go back to normal if he destroys and pacified Ukraine. If that happens, they get the NK treatment until he goes.

    You mean the President of the US invites you to a summit and says he fell in love with you?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-45696420
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    mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,150

    mwadams said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    BigRich said:

    Are they counting the By-election in Birmingham tonight, or in the morning and do we know what time to expect the results? does a low tern out = quick results?

    According to the Birmingham Mail website the count takes place tonight with a result expected in the early hours of the morning.
    And on this topic, expectation management from Labour:

    Labour says it's looking "really tight"

    PA news reports a Labour source said: “The weather’s absolutely grim and turnout is looking extremely low. It’s going to be really tight.”

    A Tory source said Boris Johnson’s party was expecting a “respectable showing”.


    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-erdington-voters-go-23279522
    It’s not having Nick P there what lost it, the smooth old Jag of campaigners 🙂

    This is a bloody nose for the complacent Starmer and his front bench.

    I remember In 2012 George Galloway won Bradford. Thst Day mori had Labour on 38% for a three percent opinion poll lead national, very similar to latest polls, 3 years later labour didn’t have that bad general election year in England. Meanwhile in Erdington today, it’s a seat moving to towards the Conservatives, when he first got it Dromey only had a 3K majority same as last time. it’s hugely Leave, probably only still Labour because of incumbency of skilled MP. Brexit Party stood against Boris in 2019 and got 4%, if. Tories swallow that they are only 3% swing away from winning by my maths. It will be a very low turn out, and there are so many other attractive places Labour votes can go if they see the Labour candidate as weak, to the left where there is an effective left campaigner who can steal 3 or 4 % from Labour himself, some leave voters will turn towards the levelling up agenda of the Conservatives, or towards the election form horse Libdems.

    This will not be a shock Tory gain. It will be the increased votes of Lib Dem, Green and TUC which mainly wins it for them. It does not mean Boris is safe as houses. It means mid term by elections favour challengers. If Tories win this it should not be bigged up as significant for all the reasons I have explained.
    I don't expect (or welcome) a Tory gain, but if they do, I don't buy your special pleading. It would reinforce a pattern of Labour underperformance in the Midlands, and Labour strategists would do well to reflect on it.
    Tories have all the planets in line for this through sheer luck - weather, war, midlands , lethargy , end of covid - word is its too close to call- the solution to a by-election wordle is "shock"
    Sure - my point being that there seems to have been a remarkable run of good luck for the Tories in the Midlands, and when that happens it is wise not to try to dismiss it as "yet another special case".

    I am certainly not predicting the Tories*won't* win - just that I still don't expect it, despite everything.
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,461

    This with almost 20k likes accuses Anne-Marie Trevelyan of taking Russian cash

    Just one problem, Alexander Temerko is Ukrainian

    He is literally a Ukrainian refugee having fled to London after Putin's Russia launched what the UK judged to be a "politically motivated" prosecution


    https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1499348234283720704

    As always its a little more complicated than that. This might help:

    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/has-prime-minister-boris-johnson-been-compromised-by-russia/

    'Temerko was close to former Russian President Boris Yeltsin and for seven years was involved with Russia’s defence ministry and its agencies – running a state arms conglomerate. In the late 1990s, Temerko joined Yukos – a Russian oil giant – but fell from the Kremlin’s favour after Vladimir Putin ordered the arrest of Mikhail Khodorkovsky in 2003.'
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,062
    BigRich said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Predictions are difficult at this time, but I don't think Putin will do that, If he does announce mobilisation, in the séance of mobilising the full 2 million reserves that Russia has, he would be admitting publicly that this is not going the way he what's it to go. it also give a lot of able boded men of military age a reason (another reason?) to join in the protest.

    I do think he will unlessh hell on Ukrainian cities shortly.
    If he does the pressure on China will surely become overwhelming.
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    FishingFishing Posts: 4,561
    edited March 2022

    BigRich said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Predictions are difficult at this time, but I don't think Putin will do that, If he does announce mobilisation, in the séance of mobilising the full 2 million reserves that Russia has, he would be admitting publicly that this is not going the way he what's it to go. it also give a lot of able boded men of military age a reason (another reason?) to join in the protest.

    I do think he will unlessh hell on Ukrainian cities shortly.
    If he does the pressure on China will surely become overwhelming.
    Doubt it. It's probably what they plan for Taiwan when the Taiwanese don't welcome them with open arms.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,011
    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    BigRich said:

    Are they counting the By-election in Birmingham tonight, or in the morning and do we know what time to expect the results? does a low tern out = quick results?

    According to the Birmingham Mail website the count takes place tonight with a result expected in the early hours of the morning.
    And on this topic, expectation management from Labour:

    Labour says it's looking "really tight"

    PA news reports a Labour source said: “The weather’s absolutely grim and turnout is looking extremely low. It’s going to be really tight.”

    A Tory source said Boris Johnson’s party was expecting a “respectable showing”.


    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-erdington-voters-go-23279522
    I know for a fact that the weather wasn't "absolutely grim". I was there for a short time today and it wasn't particularly cold, wasn't windy, and it was only raining slightly. I was walking around without a coat or jumper.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,227

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,147

    This with almost 20k likes accuses Anne-Marie Trevelyan of taking Russian cash

    Just one problem, Alexander Temerko is Ukrainian

    He is literally a Ukrainian refugee having fled to London after Putin's Russia launched what the UK judged to be a "politically motivated" prosecution


    https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1499348234283720704

    As always its a little more complicated than that. This might help:

    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/has-prime-minister-boris-johnson-been-compromised-by-russia/

    'Temerko was close to former Russian President Boris Yeltsin and for seven years was involved with Russia’s defence ministry and its agencies – running a state arms conglomerate. In the late 1990s, Temerko joined Yukos – a Russian oil giant – but fell from the Kremlin’s favour after Vladimir Putin ordered the arrest of Mikhail Khodorkovsky in 2003.'
    And he was publicly warning of the need to arm Ukraine against Russian aggression 7 years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/britain-should-arm-ukraine
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,370
    No way the Tories win this elections, mid term, on these polling numbers, this close to the party stuff. Just can’t see attentive enough odds without risking big numbers (I don’t have THAT much courage in my convictions).
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    On the superb job the EU is doing on sanctions.....

    FAZ informs us that the Swift sanctions are essentially dead in the water. Only seven banks, representing a quarter of the Russian banking sector, are subject to the sanctions. What happened is that once this sanctions list went through the mill of talks with member states, only this pared-down lists survives. The EU originally promised to hit 70% of the Russian banking system. One reason for the exclusion of Sberbank is the deposits held by savers in the bank’s EU subsidiaries. It would have triggered massive deposit insurance claims.

    https://www.eurointelligence.com/

    This can't be sustained. If Putin goes full Hitler in Ukraine with the thermobaric weapons, we have to switch off gas imports.
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    carnforthcarnforth Posts: 3,240
    Andy_JS said:

    Something to remember about Birmingham Erdington: it's next door to Sutton Coldfield which has recorded the highest Tory share in the entire country on some occasions (although not recently). So if you had a relatively high turnout in the areas bordering Sutton Coldfield and a very poor turnout elsewhere, it could conceivably be rather close.

    Is there data on which kind of voters (class, age, party etc.) see voting as a duty, and so vote in every election of every kind?
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,370
    I’m getting all nostalgic for the days we were terrified of Yeltsin because he was a drunk. I remember welcoming Putin’s rise as an omen of stability (despite Chechnya). Sigh….
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,062
    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593
    FPT:

    So we have no idea what's happening in the by-election.

    Will Putin win as a write-in candidate with 112% of the registered voters voting for him?

    Life is looking more and more SeanT* by the moment.

    Was it just the other day that we were discussing how the Defence Secretary should be fired/finished his chances for being Prime Minister by suggesting that Putin had gone "Full Tonto"?

    I think we could say the consensus now is - "called it".

    Putin's response to the logistical collapse of his army is to go for full mobilisation? So, he will end up with a large mob of guys with guns, and little else wandering round Ukraine...

    At random I pulled "Hitler's Army: Soldiers, Nazis, and War in the Third Reich" off the shelf. Part of the authors thesis is that why the East Front turned into such a charnel pit of war crimes was, on the German side, combination of propaganda, "primitivisation", collapsing real discipline and a use of terror as discipline.

    - The soldiers were totally steeped in Nazi propaganda - to the point that they saw a distorted reality where they were the victims. And the people they were murdering were somehow the cause.

    - The collapse of the German Army logistical system led to a broken-backed war of pillage and murder, with units becoming armed gangs raiding the countryside.

    - Loses of officers and NCOs caused a collapse in discipline in the traditional sense. Instead the Germany Army resorted to shooting soldiers in huge numbers. To keep them in line.

    The result was a slaughter in all directions....

    Any of this remind you of anything?

    *Sort of like shit, but with a certain whimsical charm. You house is being attacked by rabid gibbons on PCP, but they are reading Seven Men & Two Others aloud, while they do so.
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    biggles said:

    I’m getting all nostalgic for the days we were terrified of Yeltsin because he was a drunk. I remember welcoming Putin’s rise as an omen of stability (despite Chechnya). Sigh….

    You weren't the only one. He was widely seen by western governments as promising a better future relationship with Russia and for a while it looked that might come to fruition. Things began to change after a while though, quite possibly as a result of mismanagement by the West, until he developed into our worst nightmare.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,635
    On topic. Or Macron v Melenchon. *actual political bet just placed post

    He got 19% first round last time, that’s like less than a length in racing terms from coming second, and running a slick campaign this time. Where three Right candidates are battling for votes not two last time. But Melechon is battling for the same votes. Is Melenchon like a communist lefty? Nope. He’s one of the more extreme Nationalist in this race, anti immigration, anti German, once on a roll he can take votes from everyone. And he won’t need 19% to come second. Apparently the youth vote is all over the road this time. If you can believe that. The UK G.E. of 2017 proves if the youth unexpectedly turn out it can confound polling.

    I’ve just placed a finaltwo bet on him with Paddy Power at 14-1.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593

    Is this Yokel?




    Tony Luton confronted him, an angry scowl on his face, a blaze in his heavy-lidded eyes. The boy was without a conscience, almost without a soul, as priests and parsons reckon souls, but there was a slumbering devil-god within him, and Yeovil’s taunting words had broken the slumber. Life had been for Tony a hard school, in which right and wrong, high endeavour and good resolve, were untaught subjects; but there was a sterling something in him, just that something that helped poor street-scavenged men to die brave-fronted deaths in the trenches of Salamanca, that fired a handful of apprentice boys to shut the gates of Derry and stare unflinchingly at grim leaguer and starvation. It was just that nameless something that was lacking in the young musician, who stood at the further end of the room, bathed in a flood of compliment and congratulation, enjoying the honey-drops of his triumph.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,062

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    Yeah but they appear to be doing some pretty horrific bombing it seems now.

    The air force are getting involved it would seem.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,370

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    Issues on the morning commute?
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    BBC World was reporting on Kherson tonight. The Russians are not allowing people to go out in more than groups of two because they are so scared of the local populace. They fire into any window showing movement because they are scared of snipers. The BBC journalist then moved onto the villages in Central Ukraine and every one had men equipped with AKs ready to fight the Russians. I once read an insurgency needs 3% of the population actively fighting and 10% actively supporting it to be impossible to put down. In Ukraine those numbers must be 25%+ and 90%+. Russia can level cities but they cannot win this war.
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    Yeah but they appear to be doing some pretty horrific bombing it seems now.

    The air force are getting involved it would seem.
    Worth remembering that Putin sees these Ukrainians as the same people as Russians. He is willing to do this to Russians. The rest of the Russian population should be told to think about this.
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,461
    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    He does have the rest of the population and a seemingly unlimited number of rusty BMPs.
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    ExiledInScotlandExiledInScotland Posts: 1,507
    edited March 2022
    Matt is a genius

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,147
    edited March 2022
    If Putin does go down the road of introducing martial law and mass conscription, it's possible to imagine this turning into a mass civil war involving Ukraine, Belarus and Russia itself.
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,461

    This with almost 20k likes accuses Anne-Marie Trevelyan of taking Russian cash

    Just one problem, Alexander Temerko is Ukrainian

    He is literally a Ukrainian refugee having fled to London after Putin's Russia launched what the UK judged to be a "politically motivated" prosecution


    https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1499348234283720704

    As always its a little more complicated than that. This might help:

    https://bylinetimes.com/2022/02/23/has-prime-minister-boris-johnson-been-compromised-by-russia/

    'Temerko was close to former Russian President Boris Yeltsin and for seven years was involved with Russia’s defence ministry and its agencies – running a state arms conglomerate. In the late 1990s, Temerko joined Yukos – a Russian oil giant – but fell from the Kremlin’s favour after Vladimir Putin ordered the arrest of Mikhail Khodorkovsky in 2003.'
    And he was publicly warning of the need to arm Ukraine against Russian aggression 7 years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/britain-should-arm-ukraine
    I'm not saying the man is actively malign just that his background suggests that the donations given and the reasons for them should have been a little suspect to B. Elliot and the gang.
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    ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    edited March 2022

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    BigRich said:

    Are they counting the By-election in Birmingham tonight, or in the morning and do we know what time to expect the results? does a low tern out = quick results?

    According to the Birmingham Mail website the count takes place tonight with a result expected in the early hours of the morning.
    And on this topic, expectation management from Labour:

    Labour says it's looking "really tight"

    PA news reports a Labour source said: “The weather’s absolutely grim and turnout is looking extremely low. It’s going to be really tight.”

    A Tory source said Boris Johnson’s party was expecting a “respectable showing”.


    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-erdington-voters-go-23279522
    It’s not having Nick P there what lost it, the smooth old Jag of campaigners 🙂

    This is a bloody nose for the complacent Starmer and his front bench.

    I remember In 2012 George Galloway won Bradford. Thst Day mori had Labour on 38% for a three percent opinion poll lead national, very similar to latest polls, 3 years later labour didn’t have that bad general election year in England. Meanwhile in Erdington today, it’s a seat moving to towards the Conservatives, when he first got it Dromey only had a 3K majority same as last time. it’s hugely Leave, probably only still Labour because of incumbency of skilled MP. Brexit Party stood against Boris in 2019 and got 4%, if. Tories swallow that they are only 3% swing away from winning by my maths. It will be a very low turn out, and there are so many other attractive places Labour votes can go if they see the Labour candidate as weak, to the left where there is an effective left campaigner who can steal 3 or 4 % from Labour himself, some leave voters will turn towards the levelling up agenda of the Conservatives, or towards the election form horse Libdems.

    This will not be a shock Tory gain. It will be the increased votes of Lib Dem, Green and TUC which mainly wins it for them. It does not mean Boris is safe as houses. It means mid term by elections favour challengers. If Tories win this it should not be bigged up as significant for all the reasons I have explained.
    If the Tories win this it would be an enormous shock and a massive indictment of SKS's leadership of Labour. The governing party hasn't exactly been giving people reasons to get off their arses and vote for it recently.

    Can't see it happening though. I wasn't tempted by 10/1. Labour hold on a reduced majority in terms of vote numbers because of low turnout but a swing to Labour of ~10%.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593

    On topic. Or Macron v Melenchon. *actual political bet just placed post

    He got 19% first round last time, that’s like less than a length in racing terms from coming second, and running a slick campaign this time. Where three Right candidates are battling for votes not two last time. But Melechon is battling for the same votes. Is Melenchon like a communist lefty? Nope. He’s one of the more extreme Nationalist in this race, anti immigration, anti German, once on a roll he can take votes from everyone. And he won’t need 19% to come second. Apparently the youth vote is all over the road this time. If you can believe that. The UK G.E. of 2017 proves if the youth unexpectedly turn out it can confound polling.

    I’ve just placed a finaltwo bet on him with Paddy Power at 14-1.

    Ah, a leftist progressing towards a National vision of Socialism. What could possibly go wrong?
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    Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737

    On topic. Or Macron v Melenchon. *actual political bet just placed post

    He got 19% first round last time, that’s like less than a length in racing terms from coming second, and running a slick campaign this time. Where three Right candidates are battling for votes not two last time. But Melechon is battling for the same votes. Is Melenchon like a communist lefty? Nope. He’s one of the more extreme Nationalist in this race, anti immigration, anti German, once on a roll he can take votes from everyone. And he won’t need 19% to come second. Apparently the youth vote is all over the road this time. If you can believe that. The UK G.E. of 2017 proves if the youth unexpectedly turn out it can confound polling.

    I’ve just placed a finaltwo bet on him with Paddy Power at 14-1.

    Yes, that does look value. It is still plausible he scrapes into the final round on as little as 16% with Pecresse/Le Pen/Zemmour split evenly if Jadot and Roussel voters also vote strategically at the last minute.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,635
    edited March 2022

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    You want a tank? You want a Davey Crocket, I know, take the munitions out and hide it in back of wardrobe, and prank people with the dinky bomb.

    Hope you don’t want a devils vacuum with the satanic face. They should be banned.
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    AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    If Putin does go down the road of introduction martial law and mass conscription, it's possible to imagine this turning into a mass civil war involving Ukraine, Belarus and Russia itself.

    All for a "special operation" that is definitely not a war.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,011
    biggles said:

    I’m getting all nostalgic for the days we were terrified of Yeltsin because he was a drunk. I remember welcoming Putin’s rise as an omen of stability (despite Chechnya). Sigh….

    This was precisely when we should have invited Ukraine to join NATO because Russia was far too weak to do anything about it at that time.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    He does have the rest of the population and a seemingly unlimited number of rusty BMPs.
    The Russian military never used to throw anything away. Back in the cold war, they had Category C divisions armed with stuff from the 1950s - in the 1980s.

    Without logistics, that is simply dumping more stuff in the Ukrainian countryside.
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    Aslan said:

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    BBC World was reporting on Kherson tonight. The Russians are not allowing people to go out in more than groups of two because they are so scared of the local populace. They fire into any window showing movement because they are scared of snipers. The BBC journalist then moved onto the villages in Central Ukraine and every one had men equipped with AKs ready to fight the Russians. I once read an insurgency needs 3% of the population actively fighting and 10% actively supporting it to be impossible to put down. In Ukraine those numbers must be 25%+ and 90%+. Russia can level cities but they cannot win this war.
    They can if they are prepared to clear and kill the population a village at a time. Einsatzgruppen in Europe. Again.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    biggles said:

    I’m getting all nostalgic for the days we were terrified of Yeltsin because he was a drunk. I remember welcoming Putin’s rise as an omen of stability (despite Chechnya). Sigh….

    You weren't the only one. He was widely seen by western governments as promising a better future relationship with Russia and for a while it looked that might come to fruition. Things began to change after a while though, quite possibly as a result of mismanagement by the West, until he developed into our worst nightmare.
    He has been the worst nightmare ever since he engineered Presidential terms 3 and 4, followed by permenant Putin Presidency.

    Anyone who clings to and craves political power this way is a dictator and one who will be ruthless in protecting personal interests above all else.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,073
    On the subject of France, I was reminded of the whole Dominque Strauss-Kahn incident about a decade ago, and decided to look it up on Wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Strauss-Kahn

    It's well worth a read.
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,370
    edited March 2022
    Andy_JS said:

    biggles said:

    I’m getting all nostalgic for the days we were terrified of Yeltsin because he was a drunk. I remember welcoming Putin’s rise as an omen of stability (despite Chechnya). Sigh….

    This was precisely when we should have invited Ukraine to join NATO because Russia was far too weak to do anything about it at that time.
    97/98/99 was when we were discussing “partnership for peace” leading to Russia joining NATO. The past really is a different country.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    You want a tank? You want a Davey Crocket, I know, take the munitions out and hide it in back of wardrobe, and prank people with the dinky bomb.

    Hope you don’t want a devils vacuum with the satanic face. They should be banned.
    No, I want a reproduction Violet Club. A nuclear weapon only the British could have built.

    It explains the entire of post-war Britain, if you look at it right.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,147
    edited March 2022
    There's currently a battle taking place at the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant which has a live stream on YouTube...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,635
    mwadams said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    BigRich said:

    Are they counting the By-election in Birmingham tonight, or in the morning and do we know what time to expect the results? does a low tern out = quick results?

    According to the Birmingham Mail website the count takes place tonight with a result expected in the early hours of the morning.
    And on this topic, expectation management from Labour:

    Labour says it's looking "really tight"

    PA news reports a Labour source said: “The weather’s absolutely grim and turnout is looking extremely low. It’s going to be really tight.”

    A Tory source said Boris Johnson’s party was expecting a “respectable showing”.


    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-erdington-voters-go-23279522
    It’s not having Nick P there what lost it, the smooth old Jag of campaigners 🙂

    This is a bloody nose for the complacent Starmer and his front bench.

    I remember In 2012 George Galloway won Bradford. Thst Day mori had Labour on 38% for a three percent opinion poll lead national, very similar to latest polls, 3 years later labour didn’t have that bad general election year in England. Meanwhile in Erdington today, it’s a seat moving to towards the Conservatives, when he first got it Dromey only had a 3K majority same as last time. it’s hugely Leave, probably only still Labour because of incumbency of skilled MP. Brexit Party stood against Boris in 2019 and got 4%, if. Tories swallow that they are only 3% swing away from winning by my maths. It will be a very low turn out, and there are so many other attractive places Labour votes can go if they see the Labour candidate as weak, to the left where there is an effective left campaigner who can steal 3 or 4 % from Labour himself, some leave voters will turn towards the levelling up agenda of the Conservatives, or towards the election form horse Libdems.

    This will not be a shock Tory gain. It will be the increased votes of Lib Dem, Green and TUC which mainly wins it for them. It does not mean Boris is safe as houses. It means mid term by elections favour challengers. If Tories win this it should not be bigged up as significant for all the reasons I have explained.
    I don't expect (or welcome) a Tory gain, but if they do, I don't buy your special pleading. It would reinforce a pattern of Labour underperformance in the Midlands, and Labour strategists would do well to reflect on it.
    As a Libdem I am not downplaying this loss on labours behalf, just playing it straight and explaining how it happened.

    I agree With you! The best mid term polling for conservatives, to give them some confidence they can win next time, is in the midlands and Wales, and this is underwritten by support for Brexit and Boris. Even the more dire partygate polls reveal this.

    It’s also true imo that Labour get this bad result this week doesn’t insulate the Tories from an equally bad defeat next week, it will be bigged up that’s where state of parties now is, but not true.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,073
    philiph said:

    Andy_JS said:

    According to expert from Royal United Services Institute, Russian are going to fight "proper" now....that means flattening everything.

    https://youtu.be/naPuZgI53Co

    Maybe this is a stupid question, but is there any chance they might run out of firepower? How many missiles, artillery, etc, have they got.
    Artillery I think literally Tons
    The next question is if the Ukrainian rebels can get enough drones to enable them to strike at the artillery.
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    MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,461
    edited March 2022

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    He does have the rest of the population and a seemingly unlimited number of rusty BMPs.
    The Russian military never used to throw anything away. Back in the cold war, they had Category C divisions armed with stuff from the 1950s - in the 1980s.

    Without logistics, that is simply dumping more stuff in the Ukrainian countryside.
    If Russia's not in import/export any more, Putin could pressgang the lorry drivers.

    And they're not short of oil and food. Will human wave attacks still work in the modern era? They didn't do so well in the Iran-Iraq conflict.
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    mwadams said:

    pigeon said:

    pigeon said:

    BigRich said:

    Are they counting the By-election in Birmingham tonight, or in the morning and do we know what time to expect the results? does a low tern out = quick results?

    According to the Birmingham Mail website the count takes place tonight with a result expected in the early hours of the morning.
    And on this topic, expectation management from Labour:

    Labour says it's looking "really tight"

    PA news reports a Labour source said: “The weather’s absolutely grim and turnout is looking extremely low. It’s going to be really tight.”

    A Tory source said Boris Johnson’s party was expecting a “respectable showing”.


    https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-erdington-voters-go-23279522
    It’s not having Nick P there what lost it, the smooth old Jag of campaigners 🙂

    This is a bloody nose for the complacent Starmer and his front bench.

    I remember In 2012 George Galloway won Bradford. Thst Day mori had Labour on 38% for a three percent opinion poll lead national, very similar to latest polls, 3 years later labour didn’t have that bad general election year in England. Meanwhile in Erdington today, it’s a seat moving to towards the Conservatives, when he first got it Dromey only had a 3K majority same as last time. it’s hugely Leave, probably only still Labour because of incumbency of skilled MP. Brexit Party stood against Boris in 2019 and got 4%, if. Tories swallow that they are only 3% swing away from winning by my maths. It will be a very low turn out, and there are so many other attractive places Labour votes can go if they see the Labour candidate as weak, to the left where there is an effective left campaigner who can steal 3 or 4 % from Labour himself, some leave voters will turn towards the levelling up agenda of the Conservatives, or towards the election form horse Libdems.

    This will not be a shock Tory gain. It will be the increased votes of Lib Dem, Green and TUC which mainly wins it for them. It does not mean Boris is safe as houses. It means mid term by elections favour challengers. If Tories win this it should not be bigged up as significant for all the reasons I have explained.
    I don't expect (or welcome) a Tory gain, but if they do, I don't buy your special pleading. It would reinforce a pattern of Labour underperformance in the Midlands, and Labour strategists would do well to reflect on it.
    As a Libdem I am not downplaying this loss on labours behalf, just playing it straight and explaining how it happened.

    I agree With you! The best mid term polling for conservatives, to give them some confidence they can win next time, is in the midlands and Wales, and this is underwritten by support for Brexit and Boris. Even the more dire partygate polls reveal this.

    It’s also true imo that Labour get this bad result this week doesn’t insulate the Tories from an equally bad defeat next week, it will be bigged up that’s where state of parties now is, but not true.
    I expect a labour hold
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593

    Aslan said:

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    BBC World was reporting on Kherson tonight. The Russians are not allowing people to go out in more than groups of two because they are so scared of the local populace. They fire into any window showing movement because they are scared of snipers. The BBC journalist then moved onto the villages in Central Ukraine and every one had men equipped with AKs ready to fight the Russians. I once read an insurgency needs 3% of the population actively fighting and 10% actively supporting it to be impossible to put down. In Ukraine those numbers must be 25%+ and 90%+. Russia can level cities but they cannot win this war.
    They can if they are prepared to clear and kill the population a village at a time. Einsatzgruppen in Europe. Again.
    Read "Hitler's Army: Soldiers, Nazis, and War in the Third Reich"... about how a broken backed war with propagandised conscripts forced to live off the land by a collapsed logistics chain and disciplined with terror... well, that was the East Front.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,073
    LDLF said:

    Once again the two traditionally, formerly main political parties in France are likely to play very little role in this election and Macron will be re-elected as Co-Prince of Andorra.
    What happens after Macron's second term? His party was created as a vehicle for him and is made in his image; it even shares his initials.
    Will he use his second term to annoint a successor, or does one of the two traditional parties re-emerge eventually?

    Why would Macron ever step down? Surely he has his sights set on President for Life.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,073
    Nigelb said:

    UK ambassador to Poland really struggling to defend her government’s refugee asylum policy on Newsnight.

    Why should she?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    He does have the rest of the population and a seemingly unlimited number of rusty BMPs.
    The Russian military never used to throw anything away. Back in the cold war, they had Category C divisions armed with stuff from the 1950s - in the 1980s.

    Without logistics, that is simply dumping more stuff in the Ukrainian countryside.
    If Russia's not in import/export any more, Putin could pressgang the lorry drivers.

    And They're not short of oil and food. Will human wave attacks still work in the modern era? They didn't do so well in the Iran-Iraq conflict.
    Conventional lorries mean the highways only. Traffic jams of lorries for the locals to have a go at?

    Weapons production in Russia has never been high, since the end of the Soviet Union.

    You can't demand a logistical ability - it's Tiger Tanks and Potatoes again. You can't just swap capability.

    So you are talking about a bigger and bigger mass of guys with guns wandering around in gangs, with radios, if they are lucky.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    I think UN should send peace keeping forces in to protect Russian civilians from a drug crazed insane psychotic nazi despot. Moscow and St Petersberg for starters
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,635
    edited March 2022

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    You want a tank? You want a Davey Crocket, I know, take the munitions out and hide it in back of wardrobe, and prank people with the dinky bomb.

    Hope you don’t want a devils vacuum with the satanic face. They should be banned.
    No, I want a reproduction Violet Club. A nuclear weapon only the British could have built.

    It explains the entire of post-war Britain, if you look at it right.
    How long was Professor Quatermass working for the MOD?

    image

    He found that in a pit!
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    bigglesbiggles Posts: 4,370

    There's currently a battle taking place at the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant which has a live stream on YouTube...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8

    Very 2022.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,011
    biggles said:

    There's currently a battle taking place at the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant which has a live stream on YouTube...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYUT36YGOh8

    Very 2022.
    I never thought we'd be able to watch things like this, horrible as it is.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    The Zaporizhzhya stream is wild. Russia shelling a nuclear power plant, and every time they try and advance they take significant casualties. When they set up the stream I'm not sure they envisdaged it streaming dead Russian soldiers to the world.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,073

    On topic. Or Macron v Melenchon. *actual political bet just placed post

    He got 19% first round last time, that’s like less than a length in racing terms from coming second, and running a slick campaign this time. Where three Right candidates are battling for votes not two last time. But Melechon is battling for the same votes. Is Melenchon like a communist lefty? Nope. He’s one of the more extreme Nationalist in this race, anti immigration, anti German, once on a roll he can take votes from everyone. And he won’t need 19% to come second. Apparently the youth vote is all over the road this time. If you can believe that. The UK G.E. of 2017 proves if the youth unexpectedly turn out it can confound polling.

    I’ve just placed a finaltwo bet on him with Paddy Power at 14-1.

    I think that's quite an astute bet, and at 14-1 pretty attractive odds.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    You want a tank? You want a Davey Crocket, I know, take the munitions out and hide it in back of wardrobe, and prank people with the dinky bomb.

    Hope you don’t want a devils vacuum with the satanic face. They should be banned.
    No, I want a reproduction Violet Club. A nuclear weapon only the British could have built.

    It explains the entire of post-war Britain, if you look at it right.
    How long was Professor Quatermass working for the MOD?

    image

    He found that in a pit!
    The Quatermass films were toned down, factual, documentaries about life in the 1950s MoD.
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,902
    Tories admitting defeat in the by-election according to Harry Cole. No surprise I suspect.
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    philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    At least we can satisfy Putin in one respect, we can define Putinism.
    We have had Lenininsm, Stalinism and now we know the definition of Putinism. The illegal unwarrented destruction of cities and slaughter of innocent citizens by btutal and indiscriminate use of high explosives.

    This definition of Putinism should be widely distributed in Russia.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    You want a tank? You want a Davey Crocket, I know, take the munitions out and hide it in back of wardrobe, and prank people with the dinky bomb.

    Hope you don’t want a devils vacuum with the satanic face. They should be banned.
    No, I want a reproduction Violet Club. A nuclear weapon only the British could have built.

    It explains the entire of post-war Britain, if you look at it right.
    "Because the bombs were armed before flight, the take-off was hazardous; the bombs could not be jettisoned, and landing with an armed bomb on return to base was too hazardous to contemplate. As a consequence, Violet Club could not be used on an airborne alert, or even flown to a remote dispersal base."
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,593

    Chameleon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    biggles said:

    rcs1000 said:


    Kira Rudik
    @kiraincongress
    ·
    55m
    So #Putin is going to announce mobilization tomorrow. This means the horde that is attacking #Ukraine will get bigger.

    It seems like 1939 year taught the world nothing. Sanctions won’t stop dictators. The good fight will.

    #StopPutin #StopWar

    https://twitter.com/kiraincongress

    Now, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure general mobilisation is a sign the war is going well.
    We got well past day seven in WWI…..
    General mobilisation, if it happens, is in this case Mad Vlad trying to distract and make the crisis even worse than it appears to the home audience. Otherwise they might be looking at the two cabbages and 500g of oats they have to live on for the next six weeks that they exchanged for 4million rubles earlier and beginning to ask questions.

    Someone posted this yesterday:
    https://twitter.com/risj_oxford/status/1499007132934582274

    V-interesting, the interviewee a Bellingcat journalist claims a source contacted him last year about Putin aiming to transform Russia into a mobilised war economy. Locked down and with no free media. He also says (yes I know.. post facto but..) the source prewarned about the Ukrainian conflict last year.

    Now trying not to sound too schizo, it seems like greater-Russia is on the menu. And Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Transnistria are about to relive the glory days.
    He won't stop at Ukraine.
    I'm not convinced they have the military resources to go further given the losses taken so far. The plan will have been to do that, but a very significant amount of Russia's best resources (including the VDV, missile stockpiles) have been hit hard.
    But he's been holding the thermobarics back, no?
    They seem to be be breaking down, getting looted by Ukrainians etc, just all the other gear.

    I am looking on eBay as we speak.
    You want a tank? You want a Davey Crocket, I know, take the munitions out and hide it in back of wardrobe, and prank people with the dinky bomb.

    Hope you don’t want a devils vacuum with the satanic face. They should be banned.
    No, I want a reproduction Violet Club. A nuclear weapon only the British could have built.

    It explains the entire of post-war Britain, if you look at it right.
    "Because the bombs were armed before flight, the take-off was hazardous; the bombs could not be jettisoned, and landing with an armed bomb on return to base was too hazardous to contemplate. As a consequence, Violet Club could not be used on an airborne alert, or even flown to a remote dispersal base."
    That barely touches on the lunacy of the design - a brilliant pyramid of stupid design decisions taken to fix earlier, stupid design decisions.
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