The material is reworked, effects from Instagram have been added, and his statements are cut off old statements that someone pasted on and that do not even match the movement of the mouth. Original video with Kadyrov, from which the frame and his lips are taken here: https://youtu.be/rwyfOOTJNpE?t=4
yes a deep fake
Is that the third or fourth fake posted here just today? It would be nice if people waited to see if things are genuine before doing the cut ‘n paste
We're quite good at spotting each other's mistakes and correcting them fairly swiftly.
Boeing are effectively putting a plane that is not airworthy into our skies.
No other commercial airliner has an inherent design fault where you need sensors and extra pilot training to stop it crashing.
I am no fan of Boeing and they deserve to be severely censured for the 737 Max debacle but no modern plane can fly without "sensors and extra pilot training".
Yet the principal cause of the debacle was the company’s desperation to avoid their changes leading to the cost of any extra pilot training.
The original point is a fair one - essentially the new engines are heavier, increasing the risk of a pitch-up stall significantly enough that Boeing decided the plane needed a new override system to help the pilots drive the nose down. Something other planes don’t have or need.
The material is reworked, effects from Instagram have been added, and his statements are cut off old statements that someone pasted on and that do not even match the movement of the mouth. Original video with Kadyrov, from which the frame and his lips are taken here: https://youtu.be/rwyfOOTJNpE?t=4
yes a deep fake
Is that the third or fourth fake posted here just today? It would be nice if people waited to see if things are genuine before doing the cut ‘n paste
In fairness, it's hard for the lay person to tell if they're fake - which is the whole idea of course.
Despite all the positive reports of Ukrainian resistance and Russian ineptitude, I am steeling myself for the prospect that Ukraine falls within the next week.
I do so much hope I am wrong.
I think the best course of action is to just ignore twitter. Combination of misinformation and fog of war is going to lead to huge number of takes which turn out to be untrue.
The material is reworked, effects from Instagram have been added, and his statements are cut off old statements that someone pasted on and that do not even match the movement of the mouth. Original video with Kadyrov, from which the frame and his lips are taken here: https://youtu.be/rwyfOOTJNpE?t=4
yes a deep fake
Is that the third or fourth fake posted here just today? It would be nice if people waited to see if things are genuine before doing the cut ‘n paste
In fairness, it's hard for the lay person to tell if they're fake - which is the whole idea of course.
Despite all the positive reports of Ukrainian resistance and Russian ineptitude, I am steeling myself for the prospect that Ukraine falls within the next week.
I do so much hope I am wrong.
If it doesn't, then we have to assume that the Russian army deliberately sabotaged its own efforts. Because however determined the Ukrainians are, they're outnumbered 2-1, they haven't got remotely the resources (financial or materiel) of Russia, and they're facing an attack on all fronts when most of their army is tied down on just one of them.
However you cut those facts, they all point one way.
If Ukraine wins, or even holds out for two weeks, something truly extraordinary will have happened.
The material is reworked, effects from Instagram have been added, and his statements are cut off old statements that someone pasted on and that do not even match the movement of the mouth. Original video with Kadyrov, from which the frame and his lips are taken here: https://youtu.be/rwyfOOTJNpE?t=4
yes a deep fake
Is that the third or fourth fake posted here just today? It would be nice if people waited to see if things are genuine before doing the cut ‘n paste
In fairness, it's hard for the lay person to tell if they're fake - which is the whole idea of course.
Despite all the positive reports of Ukrainian resistance and Russian ineptitude, I am steeling myself for the prospect that Ukraine falls within the next week.
I do so much hope I am wrong.
I think the best course of action is to just ignore twitter. Combination of misinformation and fog of war is going to lead to huge number of takes which turn out to be untrue.
A statement which is always true. I deleted it about three years ago. Highly recommend it. I would miss the odd funny thing, but I get sent them anyway if they are that good.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges That Kevin Foster tweet will he deleted soon. But the confusion over Ukrainian refugees underlines a broader issue. The Government have been warning about a potential invasion for months. How are they so manifestly unprepared for the practical consequences. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1497692857641181195
I've said it before, but this is just all baffling:
Russian airforce failing to to achieve air supremacy Whole convoys of Russian vehicles being abandoned due to a lack of fuel just days and tens of kms in. Support and light arms convoys being sent right into set defences with NLAWs Russian generals running low on rockets, despite supposedly having many stockpiled. The airforce killing a good portion of the VDV by either flying troop transporters into SAM defences, or right into the sea. Russia supposedly having no real battle plan and failing to get allied help.
Some of these are surely disinfo (1, 2, 3 are all proven fact), but there's enough to point to a seriously dysfunctional command structure who are unprepared for the war they started.
Did they possibly believe Putin when he said he wasn't planning to invade? And therefore made minimal preparations they thought would be for show.
It would suggest they are stupid. But we're slowly being forced to that conclusion anyway.
*If* things aren't going as Russia planned (that is far from certain, as we have no visibility of their plan), then a significant factor might be that the Russian military has been lying to itself, and the leadership, for years. "Sure we have 100 combat-ready tanks in that warehouse," when in reality the maintenance money had bene going into someone's back pocket. It could be the entire system's riddled with capabilities that exist only on paper.
Not entirely unlike the Afghan army which the US funded, only to find out most of it didn’t exist.
Come on France, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Norway, etc... what's keeping you?
Wasn't there a report earlier that the whole EU had already committed to doing that, as a policy ? There seems to be a bit of confusion on this whole topic.
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Looks like all the usual people on the ground in Kyiv ave gone radio silent, even earlier than yesterday. Time for sleep I think. Unlikely to hear much before the morning.
BREAKING: European Commission, France, Germany, Italy, UK, Canada, U.S. announce they will disconnect certain Russian banks from Swift and will take restrictive measures to prevent the Russian Central Bank from deploying its international reserves to undermine sanctions. https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1497694659342213127
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Yeah you’re right - in the end I probably won’t vote for Starmer, but he’s perfectly capable of being a bog standard U.K. PM. It’s so, so refreshing vs his predecessor.
Absolutely NO ONE wants this war, except Putin himself
So kill him, and the problem goes away
Not fully true....russia fears a nuclear armed Ukraine on its doorstep so no the problem does not fully go away
The country which gave up its nuclear weapons in return for a guarantee of secure borders ? You’re not trying very hard tonight.
Of course the great sadness is that as part of that deal we and the US guaranteed said borders. Hindsight is 50/50, but we really should have put troops into Ukraine after 2014 and dared Russia to push further. Any skirmishes would have been fine because, after all, there were no Russian troops in the disputed areas were there Mr Putin? Just separatists.
I came back from the largest demonstration in the history of free Estonia. The police said there were 34,000- That is nearly 3% of the whole country. President Karis made a speach and then mingled with the crowd, We live in a free, democratic state and while Putin is in a bunker or a 60 car motorcade, Estonia´s President gets his picture taken with children, before getting home like any one else in a free country.
I have a powerful sense that the door is closing very fast for Russia. It takes time to agree things in the democratic world, However once resolved, then there is a momentum. The criminals in the Kremlin will continue to attack, but even if they win, and this is not certain, then the damage they have done guarantees failure in the longer term.
Until this is over Russia is a pariah. No forgive and forget, To be forgiven, you have of course to ask for forgivness, but, for as long as Putin is leader, the answer is "Go Fuck Yourselves".
A real sense of pride and determination in Tallinn in a way I have not seen in decades. Last time was when Estonia got back her freedom in 1991.
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Yeah you’re right - in the end I probably won’t vote for Starmer, but he’s perfectly capable of being a big standard U.K. PM. It’s so, so refreshing vs his predecessor.
I an in the same boat. Right now I could not vote for Starmer and will spoil my ballot. But in a forced vote between the two it would be Starmer all the way.
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Agree - I don't think there can be any criticisms of Starmer.
I've said it before, but this is just all baffling:
Russian airforce failing to to achieve air supremacy Whole convoys of Russian vehicles being abandoned due to a lack of fuel just days and tens of kms in. Support and light arms convoys being sent right into set defences with NLAWs Russian generals running low on rockets, despite supposedly having many stockpiled. The airforce killing a good portion of the VDV by either flying troop transporters into SAM defences, or right into the sea. Russia supposedly having no real battle plan and failing to get allied help.
Some of these are surely disinfo (1, 2, 3 are all proven fact), but there's enough to point to a seriously dysfunctional command structure who are unprepared for the war they started.
It's also possible that the Russian conventional forces are largely a hollowed-out basket case. Much of Europe has denuded its defences to spend the excess cash on domestic priorities. Perhaps the Russian elite has denuded its defences to spend the excess cash on tarts, cars and yachts?
I don't know, it's probably just wishful thinking on my part, but maybe - just maybe - they are a lot weaker than their previous quick wins making modest gains from puny opponents (the Georgians; the Ukrainians themselves eight years ago) made them appear.
Yep I think there's a decent case of that being true. Certainly the Ukrainian army is unrecognisable compared to just 8 years ago.
On a separate note, in almost all of the videos I've seen so far (the exception are the VDV from the airport), captured Russians have been either senior officers, or 17-23 year olds.
Young conscripts (technically volunteers, but they were conscripts coerced into signing contracts just before crossing the border) fighting a brother nation are not going to be motivated, or have key experience. There's a reason why most countries have moved towards professional armies.
IS the apparent failure of Russian nilitary plans possibly an illusion .We have 24 hour news now so each hour seems an eternity at times like this. I cannot remember exactly how long it took the yanks to capture Baghdad but in was in weeks not days and everybody thought it swift at the time. Was the difference just a lack of social media where things need to happen by the hour to maintain interest?
Yes to some extent, but it’s the losses of equipment and fighters that are making the news. This isn’t just a case of being bogged down. And if there are logistical problems already those will surely only get worse.
GW1 was 100 hours (ground campaign) GW2 was 21 days. At no point did anyone wonder if things were getting bogged down or the coalition was running out of fuel regularly.
Torsten Riecke @torstenriecke Germany is a different country tonight. 🇩🇪 has learned more in 48 h than in last 33 yrs. Almost every pillar of German foreign policy has been shattered: Ostpolitik, Wandel durch Handel, restrict. arms export, softpower only, pacifism as ideology. What’s next? #StandWithUkraine
The material is reworked, effects from Instagram have been added, and his statements are cut off old statements that someone pasted on and that do not even match the movement of the mouth. Original video with Kadyrov, from which the frame and his lips are taken here: https://youtu.be/rwyfOOTJNpE?t=4
yes a deep fake
Is that the third or fourth fake posted here just today? It would be nice if people waited to see if things are genuine before doing the cut ‘n paste
In fairness, it's hard for the lay person to tell if they're fake - which is the whole idea of course.
Despite all the positive reports of Ukrainian resistance and Russian ineptitude, I am steeling myself for the prospect that Ukraine falls within the next week.
I do so much hope I am wrong.
I think the best course of action is to just ignore twitter. Combination of misinformation and fog of war is going to lead to huge number of takes which turn out to be untrue.
A statement which is always true. I deleted it about three years ago. Highly recommend it. I would miss the odd funny thing, but I get sent them anyway if they are that good.
I logged out of twitter about a year ago to take a break, and have never logged back in. Even if you are very careful about who you follow it seems to end up as information overload, a lot of it fake or low quality. The examples today of fake pictures from the war are quite telling. In the end you are better off getting news feeds that have been edited in some way.
Torsten Riecke @torstenriecke Germany is a different country tonight. 🇩🇪 has learned more in 48 h than in last 33 yrs. Almost every pillar of German foreign policy has been shattered: Ostpolitik, Wandel durch Handel, restrict. arms export, softpower only, pacifism as ideology. What’s next? #StandWithUkraine
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Agree - I don't think there can be any criticisms of Starmer.
It's not a criticsim - I am trying to work out what Starmer would/could/might have done differently. At the start of this crisis, Europe divided into 2 groups. One supplied arms and the other did not - broadly. Given that the Germans were in the non supplying group - might Starmer have followed that path, also?
I've said it before, but this is just all baffling:
Russian airforce failing to to achieve air supremacy Whole convoys of Russian vehicles being abandoned due to a lack of fuel just days and tens of kms in. Support and light arms convoys being sent right into set defences with NLAWs Russian generals running low on rockets, despite supposedly having many stockpiled. The airforce killing a good portion of the VDV by either flying troop transporters into SAM defences, or right into the sea. Russia supposedly having no real battle plan and failing to get allied help.
Some of these are surely disinfo (1, 2, 3 are all proven fact), but there's enough to point to a seriously dysfunctional command structure who are unprepared for the war they started.
It's also possible that the Russian conventional forces are largely a hollowed-out basket case. Much of Europe has denuded its defences to spend the excess cash on domestic priorities. Perhaps the Russian elite has denuded its defences to spend the excess cash on tarts, cars and yachts?
I don't know, it's probably just wishful thinking on my part, but maybe - just maybe - they are a lot weaker than their previous quick wins making modest gains from puny opponents (the Georgians; the Ukrainians themselves eight years ago) made them appear.
Yep I think there's a decent case of that being true. Certainly the Ukrainian army is unrecognisable compared to just 8 years ago.
On a separate note, in almost all of the videos I've seen so far (the exception are the VDV from the airport), captured Russians have been either senior officers, or 17-23 year olds.
Young conscripts (technically volunteers, but they were conscripts coerced into signing contracts just before crossing the border) fighting a brother nation are not going to be motivated, or have key experience. There's a reason why most countries have moved towards professional armies.
IS the apparent failure of Russian nilitary plans possibly an illusion .We have 24 hour news now so each hour seems an eternity at times like this. I cannot remember exactly how long it took the yanks to capture Baghdad but in was in weeks not days and everybody thought it swift at the time. Was the difference just a lack of social media where things need to happen by the hour to maintain interest?
Yes to some extent, but it’s the losses of equipment and fighters that are making the news. This isn’t just a case of being bogged down. And if there are logistical problems already those will surely only get worse.
GW1 was 100 hours (ground campaign) GW2 was 21 days. At no point did anyone wonder if things were getting bogged down or the coalition was running out of fuel regularly.
We don't know what's going to happen ultimately, but there are a lot of elements of this Russian invasion that seem more "mock and flaw" than "shock and awe".
Torsten Riecke @torstenriecke Germany is a different country tonight. 🇩🇪 has learned more in 48 h than in last 33 yrs. Almost every pillar of German foreign policy has been shattered: Ostpolitik, Wandel durch Handel, restrict. arms export, softpower only, pacifism as ideology. What’s next? #StandWithUkraine
I've said it before, but this is just all baffling:
Russian airforce failing to to achieve air supremacy Whole convoys of Russian vehicles being abandoned due to a lack of fuel just days and tens of kms in. Support and light arms convoys being sent right into set defences with NLAWs Russian generals running low on rockets, despite supposedly having many stockpiled. The airforce killing a good portion of the VDV by either flying troop transporters into SAM defences, or right into the sea. Russia supposedly having no real battle plan and failing to get allied help.
Some of these are surely disinfo (1, 2, 3 are all proven fact), but there's enough to point to a seriously dysfunctional command structure who are unprepared for the war they started.
It's also possible that the Russian conventional forces are largely a hollowed-out basket case. Much of Europe has denuded its defences to spend the excess cash on domestic priorities. Perhaps the Russian elite has denuded its defences to spend the excess cash on tarts, cars and yachts?
I don't know, it's probably just wishful thinking on my part, but maybe - just maybe - they are a lot weaker than their previous quick wins making modest gains from puny opponents (the Georgians; the Ukrainians themselves eight years ago) made them appear.
Yep I think there's a decent case of that being true. Certainly the Ukrainian army is unrecognisable compared to just 8 years ago.
On a separate note, in almost all of the videos I've seen so far (the exception are the VDV from the airport), captured Russians have been either senior officers, or 17-23 year olds.
Young conscripts (technically volunteers, but they were conscripts coerced into signing contracts just before crossing the border) fighting a brother nation are not going to be motivated, or have key experience. There's a reason why most countries have moved towards professional armies.
IS the apparent failure of Russian nilitary plans possibly an illusion .We have 24 hour news now so each hour seems an eternity at times like this. I cannot remember exactly how long it took the yanks to capture Baghdad but in was in weeks not days and everybody thought it swift at the time. Was the difference just a lack of social media where things need to happen by the hour to maintain interest?
Yes to some extent, but it’s the losses of equipment and fighters that are making the news. This isn’t just a case of being bogged down. And if there are logistical problems already those will surely only get worse.
GW1 was 100 hours (ground campaign) GW2 was 21 days. At no point did anyone wonder if things were getting bogged down or the coalition was running out of fuel regularly.
There weren’t many UK/US armoured convoys on fire….
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Agree - I don't think there can be any criticisms of Starmer.
It's not a criticsim - I am trying to work out what Starmer would/could/might have done differently. At the start of this crisis, Europe divided into 2 groups. One supplied arms and the other did not - broadly. Given that the Germans were in the non supplying group - might Starmer have followed that path, also?
I asked the same two nights ago; would Starmer have sent anti-tank weapons a month ago?
Reports coming in claiming that Russia tried to insert paratroopers in Odesa but accidentally dropped around 50 of them out over the sea in zero degree waters.
The Ukrainians say that nobody made it to shore, adding “we didn’t even have to open fire”.
Now that is truly extraordinary incompetence, if true.
I mean, surely it's easy enough to tell the difference between the sea and the land?
I know nothing of these things but I’d imagine that accurately inserting paratroopers near water in a hostile accurately would be very difficult indeed.
Which is why you shouldn't do it. You should allow for wind, and not release until you have a margin for safety. And if in doubt, don't do it….
I've said it before, but this is just all baffling:
Russian airforce failing to to achieve air supremacy Whole convoys of Russian vehicles being abandoned due to a lack of fuel just days and tens of kms in. Support and light arms convoys being sent right into set defences with NLAWs Russian generals running low on rockets, despite supposedly having many stockpiled. The airforce killing a good portion of the VDV by either flying troop transporters into SAM defences, or right into the sea. Russia supposedly having no real battle plan and failing to get allied help.
Some of these are surely disinfo (1, 2, 3 are all proven fact), but there's enough to point to a seriously dysfunctional command structure who are unprepared for the war they started.
It's also possible that the Russian conventional forces are largely a hollowed-out basket case. Much of Europe has denuded its defences to spend the excess cash on domestic priorities. Perhaps the Russian elite has denuded its defences to spend the excess cash on tarts, cars and yachts?
I don't know, it's probably just wishful thinking on my part, but maybe - just maybe - they are a lot weaker than their previous quick wins making modest gains from puny opponents (the Georgians; the Ukrainians themselves eight years ago) made them appear.
Yep I think there's a decent case of that being true. Certainly the Ukrainian army is unrecognisable compared to just 8 years ago.
On a separate note, in almost all of the videos I've seen so far (the exception are the VDV from the airport), captured Russians have been either senior officers, or 17-23 year olds.
Young conscripts (technically volunteers, but they were conscripts coerced into signing contracts just before crossing the border) fighting a brother nation are not going to be motivated, or have key experience. There's a reason why most countries have moved towards professional armies.
IS the apparent failure of Russian nilitary plans possibly an illusion .We have 24 hour news now so each hour seems an eternity at times like this. I cannot remember exactly how long it took the yanks to capture Baghdad but in was in weeks not days and everybody thought it swift at the time. Was the difference just a lack of social media where things need to happen by the hour to maintain interest?
Yes to some extent, but it’s the losses of equipment and fighters that are making the news. This isn’t just a case of being bogged down. And if there are logistical problems already those will surely only get worse.
GW1 was 100 hours (ground campaign) GW2 was 21 days. At no point did anyone wonder if things were getting bogged down or the coalition was running out of fuel regularly.
GW1 was setting records for the rate of advance of an army.
More like minimising the suffering of the Ukrainians....Street to Street combat with the Russians will take an immense toll
And Russia occupying them, Chechans 'pacifying' the Ukrainian population via rape, torture, and murder (as in the Donbas) while their democracy is dismantled, and living standards plummet is a better result?
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Yeah you’re right - in the end I probably won’t vote for Starmer, but he’s perfectly capable of being a big standard U.K. PM. It’s so, so refreshing vs his predecessor.
I an in the same boat. Right now I could not vote for Starmer and will spoil my ballot. But in a forced vote between the two it would be Starmer all the way.
I respect that. I doubt I could ever vote Tory but I can accept a number of Tory PMs have deserved respect. And most were honourable (if misguided imo). Not the present one, of course.
More like minimising the suffering of the Ukrainians....Street to Street combat with the Russians will take an immense toll
And Russia occupying them, Chechans 'pacifying' the Ukrainian population via rape, torture, and murder (as in the Donbas) while their democracy is dismantled, and living standards plummet is a better result?
How many Chechens are they going to spread all over Ukraine?
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Yeah you’re right - in the end I probably won’t vote for Starmer, but he’s perfectly capable of being a bog standard U.K. PM. It’s so, so refreshing vs his predecessor.
Great to hear. We'll put that on our bus come the GE.
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Agree - I don't think there can be any criticisms of Starmer.
It's not a criticsim - I am trying to work out what Starmer would/could/might have done differently. At the start of this crisis, Europe divided into 2 groups. One supplied arms and the other did not - broadly. Given that the Germans were in the non supplying group - might Starmer have followed that path, also?
I asked the same two nights ago; would Starmer have sent anti-tank weapons a month ago?
I think he might well have done. If he was in government, he would have been facing down a rebellion from the East German Motorcycle Tribute Act. But that might well have been an additional incentive, for Starmer, in the end.
I am sure I have seen P Johnson on Russia Today....certainly a surprising number of America / British apologists for Putin on there making the same sort of points.
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
Good grief! This from the man who was more than happy to send the tanks in to Gibraltar and Scotland.
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Yeah you’re right - in the end I probably won’t vote for Starmer, but he’s perfectly capable of being a bog standard U.K. PM. It’s so, so refreshing vs his predecessor.
Great to hear. We'll put that on our bus come the GE.
"Vote Labour. We're bog standard."
A standard bog is one of the foundations of western civilisation.
More like minimising the suffering of the Ukrainians....Street to Street combat with the Russians will take an immense toll
I keep seeing stuff like this, and I'm sympathetic towards to the sentiment. Each time there's a glimmer of good news for Ukrainian I feel heartened before remembering increasing escalation will be bad for Ukrainians. However, if the Ukrainian people are willing to endure then that should be commended and their bravery lauded. If they can match Putin's violence with their resolve who are we to say that they shouldn't if they are willing to stand up to the tyrant?
I hope someone clever in NATO leadership is figuring out the various endgames. A damaged or humiliated Putin would be hugely dangerous.
As noted down thread, one thing that I would say is encouraging is just how leaky the Russians are. The US / UK have known all the ins and outs of this plan for ages.
I hope someone clever on a NATO leadership is figuring out the various endgames. A damaged or humiliated Putin would be hugely dangerous.
Perhaps. Or it may be that there are plenty near the seat of his power who the minute the lustre dims from his 'I'm Peter the Great reincarnated' oneness will finish him and his regime off.
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Yeah you’re right - in the end I probably won’t vote for Starmer, but he’s perfectly capable of being a bog standard U.K. PM. It’s so, so refreshing vs his predecessor.
Great to hear. We'll put that on our bus come the GE.
"Vote Labour. We're bog standard."
Hey I’m traditionally British. I would be very impressed by a Labour campaign of “we’re perfectly average - vote for us and we won’t do a lot but we’re not the other guys and we won’t break anything”.
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
WASHINGTON — The Biden administration and its key European allies have reached a preliminary agreement to bar Russian companies, oligarchs and government officials who are subject to sanctions from using the SWIFT system, essentially barring them from international financial transactions — but without interfering with gas deliveries to European nations.
The agreement, referred to in general terms by German officials and confirmed by American and European diplomats, falls short of a blanket cutoff of Russia from the financial messaging system, which some officials see as a nuclear option of sorts. Such a move would have essentially severed Russia from much of the global financial system
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
Good grief! This from the man who was more than happy to send the tanks in to Gibraltar and Scotland.
"If you tolerate this..."
He’s happy to bully others, but not to stand up to bullies.
I hope someone clever in NATO leadership is figuring out the various endgames. A damaged or humiliated Putin would be hugely dangerous.
I rather hope someone clever in or around the Kremlin is figuring this out, and getting the coup ready. I reckon we’re 7 days away from either Ukraine surrender or Russian palace coup.
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Yeah you’re right - in the end I probably won’t vote for Starmer, but he’s perfectly capable of being a bog standard U.K. PM. It’s so, so refreshing vs his predecessor.
Great to hear. We'll put that on our bus come the GE.
"Vote Labour. We're bog standard."
Hey I’m traditionally British. I would be very impressed by a Labour campaign of “we’re perfectly average - vote for us and we won’t do a lot but we’re not the other guys and we won’t break anything”.
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
Good grief! This from the man who was more than happy to send the tanks in to Gibraltar and Scotland.
"If you tolerate this..."
He’s happy to bully others, but not to stand up to bullies.
Indeed. And that is the very definition of a bully.
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
The plane is flying to Poland not Ukraine
Well I assume the supplies it is carrying are still going to Ukraine based on the tweet.
So Putin's warning to NATO to stay out still applies, the Russians could bomb truck convoys of supplies entering Ukraine as much as shoot down planes carrying them. Even if we still risk that the last thing to do is heavily advertise we are doing it
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
A military flight from the UK to the Ukraine won't delivering peanuts. And it will be perfectly trackable on radar.
It is flying to Poland
"peanuts"?
Maybe, in the grand scheme of it all.
But this is now a total war of social media as much as on the ground. Every photo, every tic toc, every FB update that may or may not get through to the Russian public somehow, is an asset.
Only the Russian folk can pitch Putin into the river under the ice.
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
I was with you all the way on paragraph one and two, and then it all just unravelled.
As a committed Christian how do you square the circle you have created in your third paragraph? Can we sit and watch innocents die at the hands of a Dictator and wash our hands of them?
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
The plane is flying to Poland not Ukraine
Well I assume the supplies it is carrying are still going to Ukraine based on the tweet.
So Putin's warning to NATO to stay out still applies, the Russians could bomb truck convoys of supplies entering Ukraine as much as shoot down planes carrying them
He doesn’t control the borders yet. That’s rather the point….
I’m sure Churchill beat Attlee for standing up to Hitler. Fat lot of good it did the Tories at the 1945 GE.
Attlee spent five years managing the wartime economy specifically to help beat Hitler. I know Churchill accused him of wanting to refound the Gestapo but I don't think that cut much ice.
No analogy is perfect but there’s a lot of talk here of a “Churchillian Bounce”. If you wanted something like that it would be a post Falklands “Thatcher Bounce”. I don’t see how this impacts Johnson’s overall favourability much at all.
There’s actually something a bit Galtieri about the whole military adventure at the moment.
Trying to step back and actually think about events - the thing I could see Starmer doing differently was the decision to supply weapons to Ukraine.
I don't see that. Practically every leader in Europe and the rest of the first world has chosen to help in this way. I would give Starmer a lot more credit than you seem to be doing. He strikes me as an honourable man.
Yeah you’re right - in the end I probably won’t vote for Starmer, but he’s perfectly capable of being a bog standard U.K. PM. It’s so, so refreshing vs his predecessor.
Great to hear. We'll put that on our bus come the GE.
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
I was with you all the way on paragraph one and two, and then it all just unravelled.
As a committed Christian how do you square the circle you have created in your third paragraph? Can we sit and watch innocents die at the hands of a Dictator and wash our hands of them?
Happens all the time look at China and the uigyhrs...your morality is selective and shaped by that box in the corner
More like minimising the suffering of the Ukrainians....Street to Street combat with the Russians will take an immense toll
I keep seeing stuff like this, and I'm sympathetic towards to the sentiment. Each time there's a glimmer of good news for Ukrainian I feel heartened before remembering increasing escalation will be bad for Ukrainians. However, if the Ukrainian people are willing to endure then that should be commended and their bravery lauded. If they can match Putin's violence with their resolve who are we to say that they shouldn't if they are willing to stand up to the tyrant?
Ask yourself what you would do today if England was being besieged by Russians.
Why publicise? The Russians will now be looking out for it to shoot it down. Putin will try and use it as a warning shot to NATO to stay out
You are really not very you good at this
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
Putin has already warned NATO to stay out of Ukraine. He has the biggest nuclear weapons arsenal in the world.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
The plane is flying to Poland not Ukraine
Well I assume the supplies it is carrying are still going to Ukraine based on the tweet.
So Putin's warning to NATO to stay out still applies, the Russians could bomb truck convoys of supplies entering Ukraine as much as shoot down planes carrying them. Even if we still risk that the last thing to do is heavily advertise we are doing it
More like minimising the suffering of the Ukrainians....Street to Street combat with the Russians will take an immense toll
And Russia occupying them, Chechans 'pacifying' the Ukrainian population via rape, torture, and murder (as in the Donbas) while their democracy is dismantled, and living standards plummet is a better result?
OK well howxwould you like your wife with her rifle engaging in street to street combat realpolitik my friend
Torsten Riecke @torstenriecke Germany is a different country tonight. 🇩🇪 has learned more in 48 h than in last 33 yrs. Almost every pillar of German foreign policy has been shattered: Ostpolitik, Wandel durch Handel, restrict. arms export, softpower only, pacifism as ideology. What’s next? #StandWithUkraine
DRM Journal @remilitari 📍We are checking the information that in Russia’s Belgorod 5,000 soldiers staged a riot and refused to go to fight with Ukraine; the report is coming from Obozrevatel and local media.10:25 PM · Feb 26, 2022.
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Marcel Dirsus
@marceldirsus
I’ve deleted an earlier tweet about paratroopers over Kyiv because they might not actually be paratroopers. Shouldn’t have shared it. My bad.
https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/1497692056537354241
The original point is a fair one - essentially the new engines are heavier, increasing the risk of a pitch-up stall significantly enough that Boeing decided the plane needed a new override system to help the pilots drive the nose down. Something other planes don’t have or need.
However you cut those facts, they all point one way.
If Ukraine wins, or even holds out for two weeks, something truly extraordinary will have happened.
(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges
That Kevin Foster tweet will he deleted soon. But the confusion over Ukrainian refugees underlines a broader issue. The Government have been warning about a potential invasion for months. How are they so manifestly unprepared for the practical consequences.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1497692857641181195
You’re not trying very hard tonight.
I find that cynical. I daresay most on here will cheer him on.
Churchill, my ****!
https://twitter.com/jeneps/status/1497694659342213127
Too late now of course.
A failure to do that would be shameful .
I have a powerful sense that the door is closing very fast for Russia. It takes time to agree things in the democratic world, However once resolved, then there is a momentum. The criminals in the Kremlin will continue to attack, but even if they win, and this is not certain, then the damage they have done guarantees failure in the longer term.
Until this is over Russia is a pariah. No forgive and forget, To be forgiven, you have of course to ask for forgivness, but, for as long as Putin is leader, the answer is "Go Fuck Yourselves".
A real sense of pride and determination in Tallinn in a way I have not seen in decades. Last time was when Estonia got back her freedom in 1991.
UVDL announces she is proposing a number of Russian banks are removed from swift
The Russian cental bank will be paralysed
Oligarchs will not be able to access their assets
GW2 was 21 days. At no point did anyone wonder if things were getting bogged down or the coalition was running out of fuel regularly.
@torstenriecke
Germany is a different country tonight. 🇩🇪 has learned more in 48 h than in last 33 yrs. Almost every pillar of German foreign policy has been shattered: Ostpolitik, Wandel durch Handel, restrict. arms export, softpower only, pacifism as ideology. What’s next? #StandWithUkraine
https://twitter.com/torstenriecke/status/1497650475541450762
Format: screengrab (in case she disappears the material) + link to original tweet.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1497645556738375680?s=20&t=074kLYTLEpTMH_vQDRkPEg https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1497687960929685504/photo/1
Welcome to the Johnson reality HY.
Russia shooting down a UK aircraft would be an act of war against a NATO country
It’s pretty obvious this is all going via Poland, and there’s a NATO aircraft fleet over Poland.
Even if it is shot down, while he remains Russian President what are we going to realistically do beyond economic sanctions? We will in theory defend NATO nations but that is it.
As far as Ukraine goes we have given them all the supplies and weapons we could before the invasion and should now stay out of it
"Vote Labour. We're bog standard."
"If you tolerate this..."
Try living without one.
Do you really think Putin isn't quite possibly past caring about who or what he shoots down?
If Tom Tugendhadt were PM he wouldn't be doing a campaign photoshoot tonight!
The Russians should lay down their weapons and go home.
They would very likely be allowed to leave unmolested. Which would certainly not be the case the other way round.
The agreement, referred to in general terms by German officials and confirmed by American and European diplomats, falls short of a blanket cutoff of Russia from the financial messaging system, which some officials see as a nuclear option of sorts. Such a move would have essentially severed Russia from much of the global financial system
NY Times
So the best thing from here is for Russia to surrender.
So Putin's warning to NATO to stay out still applies, the Russians could bomb truck convoys of supplies entering Ukraine as much as shoot down planes carrying them. Even if we still risk that the last thing to do is heavily advertise we are doing it
Maybe, in the grand scheme of it all.
But this is now a total war of social media as much as on the ground. Every photo, every tic toc, every FB update that may or may not get through to the Russian public somehow, is an asset.
Only the Russian folk can pitch Putin into the river under the ice.
As a committed Christian how do you square the circle you have created in your third paragraph? Can we sit and watch innocents die at the hands of a Dictator and wash our hands of them?
BBC News - Germany to send weapons directly to Ukraine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60541752
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@remilitari
📍We are checking the information that in Russia’s Belgorod 5,000 soldiers staged a riot and refused to go to fight with Ukraine; the report is coming from Obozrevatel and local media.10:25 PM · Feb 26, 2022.
https://twitter.com/remilitari/status/1497699493889949702