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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    Either you down it in one or it'll be lukewarm before you're through. Not sure which is more eeeuch

    Send it back.
    True

    TBH I’m only drinking it because the bar has RUN OUT OF TONIC = no G&T

    It wouldn’t have happened during the Raj. And if it had happened, the bar manager would surely have been keelhauled in the bay by the Royal Navy
    Make them make you a gin fizz

    Aren’t you meant to be sailing around Cape Verde?
    Mid Feb, God willing
    Hope you make it. Travelling out of Europe right now is wonderful. Sri Lanka feels entirely normal apart from masks in shops. Everything is open. The locals are DELIGHTED to see tourists. The sun beats down on the old Dutch fort. The Tuk Tuk drivers try to sell you “lovely women from Nepal”. The food is so much better than my last visit - I had an exceptional lobster and prawn linguine today, brilliantly jazzed up with chili and spices

    And despite being open for several months, Sri Lanka has minimal Covid
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    The rest of us aren't feeling insecure Sean.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Great win for the Toon
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    - “… the only way he’s is going to be pushed aside is if there’s a vote of confidence that he loses.“

    Impeachment?

    Most likely scenario is he is clearly nailed as having lied to HoC. In those circs I think even he would realise the game was up
    The last impeachment was that of Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville in 1806; since then, other forms of democratic scrutiny (notably the doctrine of collective cabinet responsibility) have been favoured and the process has been considered as an obsolete—but still extant—power of Parliament.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_Kingdom
    Interesting that the last person impeached was Scottish.
    Not a coincidence. Scotland was effectively ruled as a Tory colony/dictatorship 1707-1800ish. Dundas was de facto Viceroy/Dictator of Scotland, albeit an “Enlightened” one. During the Victorian era, the Scottish Liberals gained hegemony. Then a series of Liberal splits/breakaways occurred (Labour, SNP, Liberal Unionists etc).
    Is that why so many Scottish naval officers ended up working for the Russian navy around then (like the guy who founded Sevastopol Thomas MacKenzie's father, and his wife's grandfather Thomas Gordon)?
    A job is a job. Since the Middle Ages, and before, Scots and their families have earned good money in the Baltic countries (Russia, Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Germany etc). Not just work, but emigration and immigration. Poland, Sweden and Russia in particular have a rich Scottish heritage.

    All crises in the home country encouraged further waves of activity. The Union was one such crisis, as was the Jacobite rising, the Killing Times and the fall of Dundas.
    The English got about a bit too! The chap who made Sevastopol accessible to large ships, and redesigned much if the city, in the 19C was English engineer John Upton. One of his sons was captured by the British in the Crimean War.

    The Russ/Scot who founded the city Thomas MacKenzie had a son who joined the British navy.
    Oh, that's interesting - I didn't know that Upton built the Odessa stairs in the Eisenstein film Battleship Potemkin. And the Black Seas fleet docks just in time for the Crimean War ...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    - “… the only way he’s is going to be pushed aside is if there’s a vote of confidence that he loses.“

    Impeachment?

    Most likely scenario is he is clearly nailed as having lied to HoC. In those circs I think even he would realise the game was up
    The last impeachment was that of Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville in 1806; since then, other forms of democratic scrutiny (notably the doctrine of collective cabinet responsibility) have been favoured and the process has been considered as an obsolete—but still extant—power of Parliament.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_Kingdom
    Interesting that the last person impeached was Scottish.
    Not a coincidence. Scotland was effectively ruled as a Tory colony/dictatorship 1707-1800ish. Dundas was de facto Viceroy/Dictator of Scotland, albeit an “Enlightened” one. During the Victorian era, the Scottish Liberals gained hegemony. Then a series of Liberal splits/breakaways occurred (Labour, SNP, Liberal Unionists etc).
    Is that why so many Scottish naval officers ended up working for the Russian navy around then (like the guy who founded Sevastopol Thomas MacKenzie's father, and his wife's grandfather Thomas Gordon)?
    A job is a job. Since the Middle Ages, and before, Scots and their families have earned good money in the Baltic countries (Russia, Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Germany etc). Not just work, but emigration and immigration. Poland, Sweden and Russia in particular have a rich Scottish heritage.

    All crises in the home country encouraged further waves of activity. The Union was one such crisis, as was the Jacobite rising, the Killing Times and the fall of Dundas.
    The English got about a bit too! The chap who made Sevastopol accessible to large ships, and redesigned much if the city, in the 19C was English engineer John Upton. One of his sons was captured by the British in the Crimean War.

    The Russ/Scot who founded the city Thomas MacKenzie had a son who joined the British navy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Whitehead - built the engines that drove the Austrian ships to their victory at Battle of Lissa. Then later, set in train the events that led to the Sound of Music. Also led to lots of dead people, of course...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    The rest of us aren't feeling insecure Sean.
    Oh, is that her name?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    Either you down it in one or it'll be lukewarm before you're through. Not sure which is more eeeuch

    Send it back.
    True

    TBH I’m only drinking it because the bar has RUN OUT OF TONIC = no G&T

    It wouldn’t have happened during the Raj. And if it had happened, the bar manager would surely have been keelhauled in the bay by the Royal Navy
    Make them make you a gin fizz

    Aren’t you meant to be sailing around Cape Verde?
    Mid Feb, God willing
    Hope you make it. Travelling out of Europe right now is wonderful. Sri Lanka feels entirely normal apart from masks in shops. Everything is open. The locals are DELIGHTED to see tourists. The sun beats down on the old Dutch fort. The Tuk Tuk drivers try to sell you “lovely women from Nepal”. The food is so much better than my last visit - I had an exceptional lobster and prawn linguine today, brilliantly jazzed up with chili and spices

    And despite being open for several months, Sri Lanka has minimal Covid
    Can't wait. Genuinely.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    The lack of Covid in Sri Lanka is a bit of a mystery, in fact

    They have had severe prior waves and 15,000 deaths, not trivial in a land of 20m people. And probably an undercount. Their vax rate is pretty good: 65%, but only 22% boosters: hmmm

    They reopened last year, very controversially, because the government was completely desperate for foreign currency. A tourist dependent economy was collapsing. They took a known risk

    While paying all due homage to the Fearsome God of Covid Hubris - and all this is very much fingers X’d - so far it seems to be paying off. Tourists are back. Not in numbers like before but noticeable and valuable. In places like Galle the hotels are full

    Have they just got lucky? India and Nepal are seeing a fourth or fifth wave. Yet not down here. Long may it stay so. They are the loveliest people
  • guybrushguybrush Posts: 257
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    Either you down it in one or it'll be lukewarm before you're through. Not sure which is more eeeuch

    Send it back.
    True

    TBH I’m only drinking it because the bar has RUN OUT OF TONIC = no G&T

    It wouldn’t have happened during the Raj. And if it had happened, the bar manager would surely have been keelhauled in the bay by the Royal Navy
    Make them make you a gin fizz

    Aren’t you meant to be sailing around Cape Verde?
    Mid Feb, God willing
    Hope you make it. Travelling out of Europe right now is wonderful. Sri Lanka feels entirely normal apart from masks in shops. Everything is open. The locals are DELIGHTED to see tourists. The sun beats down on the old Dutch fort. The Tuk Tuk drivers try to sell you “lovely women from Nepal”. The food is so much better than my last visit - I had an exceptional lobster and prawn linguine today, brilliantly jazzed up with chili and spices

    And despite being open for several months, Sri Lanka has minimal Covid
    This is great to hear and hugely tempting. I was last in Sri Lanka back in 2018, the people, wildlife, and countryside were brilliant; the crowds of Western tourists with kids in tow, hotel prices, and food (surprisingly!) were slightly disappointing. With all of SE Asia now out of bounds, this sounds like a bit of a plan for some winter sun. Keep the updates coming please!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561

    Great win for the Toon

    And the Brian Clough Trophy at the City Ground!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    Leon said:

    The lack of Covid in Sri Lanka is a bit of a mystery, in fact

    They have had severe prior waves and 15,000 deaths, not trivial in a land of 20m people. And probably an undercount. Their vax rate is pretty good: 65%, but only 22% boosters: hmmm

    They reopened last year, very controversially, because the government was completely desperate for foreign currency. A tourist dependent economy was collapsing. They took a known risk

    While paying all due homage to the Fearsome God of Covid Hubris - and all this is very much fingers X’d - so far it seems to be paying off. Tourists are back. Not in numbers like before but noticeable and valuable. In places like Galle the hotels are full

    Have they just got lucky? India and Nepal are seeing a fourth or fifth wave. Yet not down here. Long may it stay so. They are the loveliest people

    It's possible the pandemic has run its course there.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    algarkirk said:

    I agree that Sunak is too short. It takes too little account of both no vacancy and the chance that 'anyone but a current minister' could be the right choice; ie Hunt, Tugendhat or AN Other. And Starmer at about 10/1 is value.

    Please. No more heightism.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    guybrush said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    Either you down it in one or it'll be lukewarm before you're through. Not sure which is more eeeuch

    Send it back.
    True

    TBH I’m only drinking it because the bar has RUN OUT OF TONIC = no G&T

    It wouldn’t have happened during the Raj. And if it had happened, the bar manager would surely have been keelhauled in the bay by the Royal Navy
    Make them make you a gin fizz

    Aren’t you meant to be sailing around Cape Verde?
    Mid Feb, God willing
    Hope you make it. Travelling out of Europe right now is wonderful. Sri Lanka feels entirely normal apart from masks in shops. Everything is open. The locals are DELIGHTED to see tourists. The sun beats down on the old Dutch fort. The Tuk Tuk drivers try to sell you “lovely women from Nepal”. The food is so much better than my last visit - I had an exceptional lobster and prawn linguine today, brilliantly jazzed up with chili and spices

    And despite being open for several months, Sri Lanka has minimal Covid
    This is great to hear and hugely tempting. I was last in Sri Lanka back in 2018, the people, wildlife, and countryside were brilliant; the crowds of Western tourists with kids in tow, hotel prices, and food (surprisingly!) were slightly disappointing. With all of SE Asia now out of bounds, this sounds like a bit of a plan for some winter sun. Keep the updates coming please!
    The food was crap for me last time, as well. I’m glad I’m not alone!

    And yet this time, in Colombo at least, it is delicious. I wonder if in Colombo the restaurants cater for local tastes (far fewer tourists per capita) yet in the tourist honeypots - Kandy, Ella, Galle, the major surf beaches, the Buddhist shrine towns - they mistakenly make everything blander? For westerners? Dunno

    Anyway yes now is a great time to be here. There’s no quarantine. They don’t even test you on arrival. So as long as you have your neg PCR test to fly (plus modest insurance and a few filled in forms) you are treated as a normal tourist as soon as you touch down

    And like you I’ve been searching for a place to find winter sun. Either everywhere is locked down - most of Thailand, Malaysia, India - or too far to reach - Cambodia, Vietnam, Laos, Indonesia - or boring: the Caribbean. Or violent: South Africa. Or I’ve been there too much: Egypt

    Suddenly I saw Sri Lanka and how open it was. And cheap. Yay. I might die of Covid tomorrow but so far it’;s been a great choice

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    I can see my own wheelbarrow from space on Google Maps satellite images. Literally.
  • rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    I agree that Sunak is too short. It takes too little account of both no vacancy and the chance that 'anyone but a current minister' could be the right choice; ie Hunt, Tugendhat or AN Other. And Starmer at about 10/1 is value.

    Please. No more heightism.
    Yes, no more belittling of Sunak.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    I agree that Sunak is too short. It takes too little account of both no vacancy and the chance that 'anyone but a current minister' could be the right choice; ie Hunt, Tugendhat or AN Other. And Starmer at about 10/1 is value.

    Please. No more heightism.
    It is a bad hobbit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    edited January 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    HYUFD said:

    There is probably going to be a VONC next week, with the final letters going in to Sir Graham after the Gray report is published, likely on Monday. However for now Boris should probably scrape home.

    If the local elections in May see heavy Tory losses and the polls are still bad, then the 1922 may enable a second VONC to be held by amending the rules in consultation with the party board. At that point Boris is more likely to lose it. There would then be a leadership election which Sunak would probably win to become next PM. Assuming Tory MPs can concoct a Sunak v Hunt runoff, thus keeping Truss off the ballot paper. Truss polls well with members but terribly with the public overall

    I like the Sunak bet as complement to my main Starmer position. No vacancy = No Sunak = Starmer trades down at 4 for next PM.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    The lack of Covid in Sri Lanka is a bit of a mystery, in fact

    They have had severe prior waves and 15,000 deaths, not trivial in a land of 20m people. And probably an undercount. Their vax rate is pretty good: 65%, but only 22% boosters: hmmm

    They reopened last year, very controversially, because the government was completely desperate for foreign currency. A tourist dependent economy was collapsing. They took a known risk

    While paying all due homage to the Fearsome God of Covid Hubris - and all this is very much fingers X’d - so far it seems to be paying off. Tourists are back. Not in numbers like before but noticeable and valuable. In places like Galle the hotels are full

    Have they just got lucky? India and Nepal are seeing a fourth or fifth wave. Yet not down here. Long may it stay so. They are the loveliest people

    It's possible the pandemic has run its course there.
    That is certainly how it feels, and how the locals are treating it

    Masks are worn half heartedly. They dangle. Everyone has them but they are shoved on for theatre. You rarely see them outside

    It feels oddly like north London just as i left: like everyone is going through the motions but is heartily sick of it, and seeing as cases and deaths have been minimal for months (by the horrific standards of their earlier waves) you can see why that mentality now prevails


    I pray to every God in Asia the Sri Lankans are spared any further grief. They deserve some luck, now
  • Great win for the Toon

    And the Brian Clough Trophy at the City Ground!
    And Dave Ryding!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    I agree that Sunak is too short. It takes too little account of both no vacancy and the chance that 'anyone but a current minister' could be the right choice; ie Hunt, Tugendhat or AN Other. And Starmer at about 10/1 is value.

    Please. No more heightism.
    Yes, no more belittling of Sunak.
    We've put up with it for too long.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373
    edited January 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    I agree that Sunak is too short. It takes too little account of both no vacancy and the chance that 'anyone but a current minister' could be the right choice; ie Hunt, Tugendhat or AN Other. And Starmer at about 10/1 is value.

    Please. No more heightism.
    It is a bad hobbit.
    I bet you Took a couple of minutes to think of that one.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    Great win for the Toon

    Yes, it was. A good win. A couple more wins in the next couple of games and then survival is a reality. I hope they do stop up as a trip to the toon on a Saturday, we were there today, is so much better when it is not a match day. Much easier to get in.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    Which massively misses the point.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    I agree that Sunak is too short. It takes too little account of both no vacancy and the chance that 'anyone but a current minister' could be the right choice; ie Hunt, Tugendhat or AN Other. And Starmer at about 10/1 is value.

    Please. No more heightism.
    Yes, saying he's short is one thing, it's a fact, but saying he's TOO short is quite another. It's judgmental and reeks of prejudice. Algarkirk should be ashamed.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited January 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826
    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    I agree that Sunak is too short. It takes too little account of both no vacancy and the chance that 'anyone but a current minister' could be the right choice; ie Hunt, Tugendhat or AN Other. And Starmer at about 10/1 is value.

    Please. No more heightism.
    Yes, saying he's short is one thing, it's a fact, but saying he's TOO short is quite another. It's judgmental and reeks of prejudice. Algarkirk should be ashamed.
    We're talking betting odds, right?

    The humour on pb tends to be so subtle it's sometimes hard to know.
  • kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    algarkirk said:

    I agree that Sunak is too short. It takes too little account of both no vacancy and the chance that 'anyone but a current minister' could be the right choice; ie Hunt, Tugendhat or AN Other. And Starmer at about 10/1 is value.

    Please. No more heightism.
    Yes, saying he's short is one thing, it's a fact, but saying he's TOO short is quite another. It's judgmental and reeks of prejudice. Algarkirk should be ashamed.
    Given womens height preferences in dating if he is both a good lay and too short it suggests he is making up for it in other ways. What was his most famous policy again?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    Either you down it in one or it'll be lukewarm before you're through. Not sure which is more eeeuch

    Send it back.
    True

    TBH I’m only drinking it because the bar has RUN OUT OF TONIC = no G&T

    It wouldn’t have happened during the Raj. And if it had happened, the bar manager would surely have been keelhauled in the bay by the Royal Navy
    Make them make you a gin fizz

    Aren’t you meant to be sailing around Cape Verde?
    Mid Feb, God willing
    Hope you make it. Travelling out of Europe right now is wonderful. Sri Lanka feels entirely normal apart from masks in shops. Everything is open. The locals are DELIGHTED to see tourists. The sun beats down on the old Dutch fort. The Tuk Tuk drivers try to sell you “lovely women from Nepal”. The food is so much better than my last visit - I had an exceptional lobster and prawn linguine today, brilliantly jazzed up with chili and spices

    And despite being open for several months, Sri Lanka has minimal Covid
    Sounds like the Global South is agreeing with you. 🙂
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    edited January 2022

    I find it difficult to believe that a significant chunk of Tory MPs actually want Bozo as PM.

    All I can think is that a lash-up of 'Not Rishi', 'Not The Truss' and other assorted factions who are against one or other of the potential replacements dare not replace the Buffoon because the replacement might not be their chosen one.

    Plus there's a few on the front bench who know that as soon as Bozo goes, they'll be next out.

    Let the open wound that is the Tory Party fester away until the next election. The longer this goes on, the more it plays into Labour's hands.

    It's a bit like the Brexit problem. For MPs, being human mostly by nature, their first concern is self interest which normally means holding their seat next time as a sine qua non.

    So there is no negative - like 'not wanting Boris' or 'not wanting X outcome over Brexit' which will override that concern on its own. It has to be matched by a feasible non-negative which is better than the status quo with regard to keeping your seat.

    So unless a majority of Tory MPs believe (a) that they don't want Boris and (b) there is a reasonable chance that in getting rid of him they are more likely to hold their seat, they are unlikely to do so.

    There being no agreed candidate there can only be a real uncertainty. The certainty is the Boris has form at winning elections, so even though I think he won't win the next one I could easily be wrong.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    edited January 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Be gentle with Big G, he's still reeling from this poll.

    Drakeford da bomb, us English want Drakeford's policies implemented in England and the Welsh love him.





  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    At which point the entire economy will neatly fit into @IshmaelZ 's wheelbarrow.

    At least it will be portable
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    It's both. Wanting a common EU defence policy/army is only going to work if everyone gets defended. The Baltics and Poland are really not convinced of that at the moment.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    Getting f##king vaccinated....

    Staff throw their uniforms at the police outside Downing Street.
    https://twitter.com/SubjectAccesss/status/1484907250821046273?s=20

    Nurses taking off their uniforms?
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    Top economic growth in G7 speaks for itself
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Be gentle with Big G, he's still reeling from this poll.

    Drakeford da bomb, us English want Drakeford's policies implemented in England and the Welsh love him.





    Obviously all right thinking Welsh people were over the border enjoying beautiful English liberty when Yougov came a calling.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    Top economic growth in G7 speaks for itself
    1) You know that article is from last September?

    and

    2) It is a forecast and not an actual result?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    My bar doesn’t do normal bar snacks like nuts or Kettle chips

    It does “flour coated Handallo flash fried with a home made dipping chili sauce”

    Handallo is a tiny little eat-it-all Sri Lankan fish a bit like whitebait (which I love) but possibly even nicer. The sauce is deliciously piquant and jammy. A perfect bar snack - salty and moreish and crunchy and makes you thirsty, like crisps, but OMFG

    If I look left I can see the ink-dark Indian Ocean and the tiny bobbing lights of the boats hauling in these adorable little fish

    Tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny things like that are why travel is great and why I missed it so much and yes I’ve now had two martinis and *sob*
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    I don't think so.

    We've recovered past the point we fell already and I don't believe that's the case for much of the G7, going from memory.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    Top economic growth in G7 speaks for itself
    Except it doesn’t?
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Poor Turkey, forgotten.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Be gentle with Big G, he's still reeling from this poll.

    Drakeford da bomb, us English want Drakeford's policies implemented in England and the Welsh love him.





    Obviously all right thinking Welsh people were over the border enjoying beautiful English liberty when Yougov came a calling.
    It can be the only explanation.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Lol Citeh
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,243

    HYUFD said:

    There is probably going to be a VONC next week, with the final letters going in to Sir Graham after the Gray report is published, likely on Monday. However for now Boris should probably scrape home.

    If the local elections in May see heavy Tory losses and the polls are still bad, then the 1922 may enable a second VONC to be held by amending the rules in consultation with the party board. At that point Boris is more likely to lose it. There would then be a leadership election which Sunak would probably win to become next PM. Assuming Tory MPs can concoct a Sunak v Hunt runoff, thus keeping Truss off the ballot paper. Truss polls well with members but terribly with the public overall

    All seems a bit farcical to me. If '1922 may enable a second VONC to be held by amending the rules in consultation with the party board' then surely 1992 and the party board ultimately have the power to select the leader no matter what. So why not simply give them the power to do it and dispense with the other stuff, which they can overrule anyway.
    The 1922 committee is merely the shop stewards for the back benchers. Without the backbenchers support a PM can’t survive
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited January 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Be gentle with Big G, he's still reeling from this poll.

    Drakeford da bomb, us English want Drakeford's policies implemented in England and the Welsh love him.





    I am not reeling from these polls

    The public are risk averse and seem happy to have their freedom curtailed in Wales and Scotland

    It does not mean it is correct and using the UK exchequer to bail them out only stopped them going further

    And you haven't had to suffer the consequences of Welsh Labour’s failing NHS and education system over years
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Poor Turkey, forgotten.
    It's being stuffed again.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    I don't think so.

    We've recovered past the point we fell already and I don't believe that's the case for much of the G7, going from memory.
    @TSE is partly right. One reason we have grown so lustily is because we fell so far so fast. We had a lot of fairly easy catch-up to do

    On the other hand the Remainers and their friends were shrieking gleefully about Britain having the worst GDP fall from Covid OVERALL but that simply hasn‘t happened. Of the major European economies we are behind only France in recovery, and ahead of Spain Italy and Germany (who have yet to reach pre-pandemic levels)

    Sunak has done a good job. He will make a good prime minister
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Forget Russia-Ukraine, the rise of the machines draws near. "Robot vacuum cleaner escapes from Cambridge Travelodge"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-60084347
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    Leon said:

    My bar doesn’t do normal bar snacks like nuts or Kettle chips

    It does “flour coated Handallo flash fried with a home made dipping chili sauce”

    Handallo is a tiny little eat-it-all Sri Lankan fish a bit like whitebait (which I love) but possibly even nicer. The sauce is deliciously piquant and jammy. A perfect bar snack - salty and moreish and crunchy and makes you thirsty, like crisps, but OMFG

    If I look left I can see the ink-dark Indian Ocean and the tiny bobbing lights of the boats hauling in these adorable little fish

    Tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny tiny things like that are why travel is great and why I missed it so much and yes I’ve now had two martinis and *sob*

    What tho' the spicy breezes
    Blow soft o'er Ceylon's isle;
    Though every prospect pleases,
    And only man is vile?


    Hopefully Bishop Heber's last point no longer holds after the conflicts.

  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Yes, it is an EU crisis too. I believe there is a link with Brexit. If the UK were still an active player in the EU then we might well have been able to push a harder line stance on Russia. It’s at times like this that I think the EU really misses having the UK engaged and arguing the case.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    Top economic growth in G7 speaks for itself
    1) You know that article is from last September?

    and

    2) It is a forecast and not an actual result?
    What does amaze me are the number of people in this country who presently want it to fail
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    I don't think so.

    We've recovered past the point we fell already and I don't believe that's the case for much of the G7, going from memory.
    I think only US is in +ve territory across pandemic and only Japan is more -ve than UK. We had fastest growth Q3-20 to Q3-21 but Q3-21 in isolation was pretty poor cf G7. It’s easy to cherrypick a measure that favours most points of view because the phasing of infection waves and lockdown has differed from country to country.

    https://fullfact.org/economy/january-2022-gdp-growth-g7/ seems to be most up to date actuals set out for comparison.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Be gentle with Big G, he's still reeling from this poll.

    Drakeford da bomb, us English want Drakeford's policies implemented in England and the Welsh love him.





    Obviously all right thinking Welsh people were over the border enjoying beautiful English liberty when Yougov came a calling.
    Or the Welsh are a cowed, pathetic people, used to being bossed around by the English, so they will always prefer restrictions on their liberties, the way a lifelong prisoner comes to love his chains. See the same polling in Scotland

    You are both defeated peoples, in love with servitude, you Scots even had the chance to throw off the shackles, and said NO

    Lol
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    Top economic growth in G7 speaks for itself
    1) You know that article is from last September?

    and

    2) It is a forecast and not an actual result?
    What does amaze me are the number of people in this country who presently want it to fail
    You can criticise something without wanting it to fail you know. Tough concept I know.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    Top economic growth in G7 speaks for itself
    1) You know that article is from last September?

    and

    2) It is a forecast and not an actual result?
    What does amaze me are the number of people in this country who presently want it to fail
    What bollocks, I want the country to succeed, you stick to parroting Putin's lies.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Be gentle with Big G, he's still reeling from this poll.

    Drakeford da bomb, us English want Drakeford's policies implemented in England and the Welsh love him.





    I am not reeling from these polls

    The public are risk averse and seem happy to have their freedom curtailed in Wales and Scotland

    It does not mean it is correct and using the UK exchequer to bail them out only stopped them going further

    Until recently the differences between England and other parts of UK were trivial. The main reason for polls like this and similar in Scotland is the uselessness of BJ as a communicator, his lack of gravitas, his correctly perceived lack of attention to detail, laziness, unreliability and irresponsibility.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    I still don't think there will be a VONC next week. Does anyone think they'd win one? WIthout that certainty, the masses won't act.
  • Farooq said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    This anti-EU goading isn't really informative of what is actually happening, so I wonder what you're up to.

    Apart from, you know, unwittingly reinforcing Putin's talking points.
    Try selling that to the Baltic states and Ukraine and what is actually happening
  • kle4 said:

    I still don't think there will be a VONC next week. Does anyone think they'd win one? WIthout that certainty, the masses won't act.

    I suspect it depends on what the report says.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    - “… the only way he’s is going to be pushed aside is if there’s a vote of confidence that he loses.“

    Impeachment?

    Most likely scenario is he is clearly nailed as having lied to HoC. In those circs I think even he would realise the game was up
    The last impeachment was that of Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville in 1806; since then, other forms of democratic scrutiny (notably the doctrine of collective cabinet responsibility) have been favoured and the process has been considered as an obsolete—but still extant—power of Parliament.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_Kingdom
    Interesting that the last person impeached was Scottish.
    Not a coincidence. Scotland was effectively ruled as a Tory colony/dictatorship 1707-1800ish. Dundas was de facto Viceroy/Dictator of Scotland, albeit an “Enlightened” one. During the Victorian era, the Scottish Liberals gained hegemony. Then a series of Liberal splits/breakaways occurred (Labour, SNP, Liberal Unionists etc).
    Is that why so many Scottish naval officers ended up working for the Russian navy around then (like the guy who founded Sevastopol Thomas MacKenzie's father, and his wife's grandfather Thomas Gordon)?
    Quite a history of Scots in Russia. Lermontov is a Russification of Learmonth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Russians
    Quite a few settled on the Baltic and effectively became part of the Baltic German ethnic group. The Barclay de Tolly family was descended from Scots and the famous general was born in Courland and grew up in Livonia (now Estonia - he has a statue in Tartu).
    Industrialists too. I used to walk past this Edinburgh plaque daily. Finland was part of the Tsarist empire then so I suppose it counts.

    https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2132021
    And before that part of the Swedish empire.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Poor Turkey, forgotten.
    They aren't being discussed much in the current crisis are they? Erdogan has a curious relationship with Russia, sometimes close but at others not. He's sold drones to Ukraine which won't have pleased Putin and will be wary of Russian manoeuvres in the Black Sea.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kle4 said:

    I still don't think there will be a VONC next week. Does anyone think they'd win one? WIthout that certainty, the masses won't act.

    Depends on

    Report

    Further revelations reinforcing/undermining conclusions of report
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    The rest of us aren't feeling insecure Sean.
    If only.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    My back garden shed can be seen from space.

    Anything can be seen from space IN MASSIVELY MAGNIFIED IMAGES.

    The Great Wall of China cannot be seen from space without that.
    I suspect the British failing economy will also be visible from space.....

    :smile:
    The best economy in the G7

    https://www.cityam.com/oecd-uk-muscles-out-g7-to-top-economic-growth-rankings/
    Only because we had biggest fall right?
    Top economic growth in G7 speaks for itself
    1) You know that article is from last September?

    and

    2) It is a forecast and not an actual result?
    What does amaze me are the number of people in this country who presently want it to fail
    More a case of wanting honesty about failings so that they can be addressed rather than responding to failure by pretending everything is “world-beating”.
  • Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    This anti-EU goading isn't really informative of what is actually happening, so I wonder what you're up to.

    Apart from, you know, unwittingly reinforcing Putin's talking points.
    Try selling that to the Baltic states and Ukraine and what is actually happening
    Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise your goading of Scott was preserving the fucking freedom of the good people of Vilnius. Well done, we should probably get a medal pinned to your jacket ffs.
    I have been to the Baltic States and Russia terrifies them

    The EU should be standing together against this threat but it is clear Germany is not and even preventing NATO aircraft to 9v4rly their airspace

    It seems those who are so full of the EU cannot accept criticism in what is a very serious and developing crisis
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Be gentle with Big G, he's still reeling from this poll.

    Drakeford da bomb, us English want Drakeford's policies implemented in England and the Welsh love him.





    I am not reeling from these polls

    The public are risk averse and seem happy to have their freedom curtailed in Wales and Scotland

    It does not mean it is correct and using the UK exchequer to bail them out only stopped them going further

    Until recently the differences between England and other parts of UK were trivial. The main reason for polls like this and similar in Scotland is the uselessness of BJ as a communicator, his lack of gravitas, his correctly perceived lack of attention to detail, laziness, unreliability and irresponsibility.
    Bollocks. The main reason is Devolution

    For some mad reason pandemic response was devolved. So the Welsh and Scots could do whatever lockdowns they wanted, sure in the knowledge that the UK Treasury would have to pay, in the end

    Of course Cardiff and Edinburgh have sought to be obviously different to London, for political reasons, and they have nearly always sided on the More Restrictions end of the spectrum, because it is superficially popular - and, again, they don’t have to find the money to pay for it

    It also speaks of a more socialized, cowardly mindset in the Celtic colonies (and I speak as a Celt). Scot Nats are always going about how they want their FREEEEEDOM!!! while wearing Saltire face paint. Turns out they actually want the FREEDOM to be told to stay at home and not stand in pubs and walk one way around shops, forever and ever
  • Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Be gentle with Big G, he's still reeling from this poll.

    Drakeford da bomb, us English want Drakeford's policies implemented in England and the Welsh love him.





    Obviously all right thinking Welsh people were over the border enjoying beautiful English liberty when Yougov came a calling.
    Or the Welsh are a cowed, pathetic people, used to being bossed around by the English, so they will always prefer restrictions on their liberties, the way a lifelong prisoner comes to love his chains. See the same polling in Scotland

    You are both defeated peoples, in love with servitude, you Scots even had the chance to throw off the shackles, and said NO

    Lol
    Och, a tiddler in the keep net better than nothing I suppose.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Poor Turkey, forgotten.
    They aren't being discussed much in the current crisis are they? Erdogan has a curious relationship with Russia, sometimes close but at others not. He's sold drones to Ukraine which won't have pleased Putin and will be wary of Russian manoeuvres in the Black Sea.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Goeben
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,785
    Mr. Eagles, perhaps.

    But I doubt there'll be a smoking gun and any MPs waiting for that may be inclined to continue spinelessly prevaricating.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    - “… the only way he’s is going to be pushed aside is if there’s a vote of confidence that he loses.“

    Impeachment?

    Most likely scenario is he is clearly nailed as having lied to HoC. In those circs I think even he would realise the game was up
    The last impeachment was that of Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville in 1806; since then, other forms of democratic scrutiny (notably the doctrine of collective cabinet responsibility) have been favoured and the process has been considered as an obsolete—but still extant—power of Parliament.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_Kingdom
    Interesting that the last person impeached was Scottish.
    Not a coincidence. Scotland was effectively ruled as a Tory colony/dictatorship 1707-1800ish. Dundas was de facto Viceroy/Dictator of Scotland, albeit an “Enlightened” one. During the Victorian era, the Scottish Liberals gained hegemony. Then a series of Liberal splits/breakaways occurred (Labour, SNP, Liberal Unionists etc).
    Is that why so many Scottish naval officers ended up working for the Russian navy around then (like the guy who founded Sevastopol Thomas MacKenzie's father, and his wife's grandfather Thomas Gordon)?
    Quite a history of Scots in Russia. Lermontov is a Russification of Learmonth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Russians
    Quite a few settled on the Baltic and effectively became part of the Baltic German ethnic group. The Barclay de Tolly family was descended from Scots and the famous general was born in Courland and grew up in Livonia (now Estonia - he has a statue in Tartu).
    Industrialists too. I used to walk past this Edinburgh plaque daily. Finland was part of the Tsarist empire then so I suppose it counts.

    https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2132021
    And before that part of the Swedish empire.
    It was an autonomous (self-governing) grand duchy of Russia in Czarist times.
    Finlayson textiles are still going strong. He chose Tampere because of its superb access to water power at the confluence of three lakes.

  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    edited January 2022

    Getting f##king vaccinated....

    Staff throw their uniforms at the police outside Downing Street.
    https://twitter.com/SubjectAccesss/status/1484907250821046273?s=20

    I was in central London this afternoon - a reasonably good-natured protest around Parliament Square and Whitehall.

    I did feel a rubicon of sorts was crossed when, having put on a face mask to enter Westminster tube station, I was told to "take that f-ing mask off" by some anti-mask dimwit while at the same time the public address in the station was reminding me it was still a legal requirement to wear a face covering on Transport for London stations and trains.

    Thus did I encounter the final pathetic stereo of the pro-mask authoritarian and the anti-mask authoritarian at the same time.

    Wither liberty? Stick a memorial at Westminster tube station.

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    - “… the only way he’s is going to be pushed aside is if there’s a vote of confidence that he loses.“

    Impeachment?

    Most likely scenario is he is clearly nailed as having lied to HoC. In those circs I think even he would realise the game was up
    The last impeachment was that of Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville in 1806; since then, other forms of democratic scrutiny (notably the doctrine of collective cabinet responsibility) have been favoured and the process has been considered as an obsolete—but still extant—power of Parliament.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_Kingdom
    Interesting that the last person impeached was Scottish.
    Not a coincidence. Scotland was effectively ruled as a Tory colony/dictatorship 1707-1800ish. Dundas was de facto Viceroy/Dictator of Scotland, albeit an “Enlightened” one. During the Victorian era, the Scottish Liberals gained hegemony. Then a series of Liberal splits/breakaways occurred (Labour, SNP, Liberal Unionists etc).
    Is that why so many Scottish naval officers ended up working for the Russian navy around then (like the guy who founded Sevastopol Thomas MacKenzie's father, and his wife's grandfather Thomas Gordon)?
    Quite a history of Scots in Russia. Lermontov is a Russification of Learmonth.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Russians
    Also a good reminder that Russia wasn't always the enemy and won't always be so. In some important conflicts we've been on the same side or at the very least fighting a common enemy. The Russian people are not the problem. In fact, they have the same problem we do, Vladimir Putin. It would be most welcome if they did to him what they did to the Romanovs in 1917.
    Easy to forget in these days of state propaganda that Russia was long considered a valuable ally. Her people still are. She will be again.

    But disagree re assassination.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Poor Turkey, forgotten.
    They aren't being discussed much in the current crisis are they? Erdogan has a curious relationship with Russia, sometimes close but at others not. He's sold drones to Ukraine which won't have pleased Putin and will be wary of Russian manoeuvres in the Black Sea.
    Actually he has told Russia to back off - https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/18/erdogan-warns-russia-against-invading-ukraine-a76074

    Strangely, Turkey thinks that a Black Sea dominated by a militarily expansionist Russia is not to her advantage....
  • I see Dutch Reach is being incorporated into the Highway Code - Is it really needed? Most people are sensible enough to look before opening a car door
  • Forget Russia-Ukraine, the rise of the machines draws near. "Robot vacuum cleaner escapes from Cambridge Travelodge"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-60084347

    Number 5 is alive!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    Farooq said:

    TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Yes, it is an EU crisis too. I believe there is a link with Brexit. If the UK were still an active player in the EU then we might well have been able to push a harder line stance on Russia. It’s at times like this that I think the EU really misses having the UK engaged and arguing the case.
    It's a threat to democracies everywhere. To turn on ourselves at the moment of threat is stupidly irresponsible.
    We all know that mistakes have been made, both by Germany and the UK, but the real problem is Russian aggression. We don't need to feel good about ourselves by sneering at each other, we need to feel good about ourselves by doing the right thing, which is protecting each other. Fucking focus, people.
    Absolutely.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Poor Turkey, forgotten.
    They aren't being discussed much in the current crisis are they? Erdogan has a curious relationship with Russia, sometimes close but at others not. He's sold drones to Ukraine which won't have pleased Putin and will be wary of Russian manoeuvres in the Black Sea.
    Actually he has told Russia to back off - https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/18/erdogan-warns-russia-against-invading-ukraine-a76074

    Strangely, Turkey thinks that a Black Sea dominated by a militarily expansionist Russia is not to her advantage....
    I think Turkey think their goose will be cooked if Russia expansionist extends to the Black Sea.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    I see Dutch Reach is being incorporated into the Highway Code - Is it really needed? Most people are sensible enough to look before opening a car door

    I imagine that a lot the rules in the Highway Code are probably set on the basis of not trusting people to be sensible.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    kle4 said:

    I still don't think there will be a VONC next week. Does anyone think they'd win one? WIthout that certainty, the masses won't act.

    I suspect it depends on what the report says.
    Does it? 🤔
  • City are in a game tonight
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    Either you down it in one or it'll be lukewarm before you're through. Not sure which is more eeeuch

    Send it back.
    True

    TBH I’m only drinking it because the bar has RUN OUT OF TONIC = no G&T

    It wouldn’t have happened during the Raj. And if it had happened, the bar manager would surely have been keelhauled in the bay by the Royal Navy
    Keelhauling seems such a cruel punshment, and yet it was far from exceptional.

    There's a horrible catalogue of ways to hurt people.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Poor Turkey, forgotten.
    They aren't being discussed much in the current crisis are they? Erdogan has a curious relationship with Russia, sometimes close but at others not. He's sold drones to Ukraine which won't have pleased Putin and will be wary of Russian manoeuvres in the Black Sea.
    Actually he has told Russia to back off - https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/18/erdogan-warns-russia-against-invading-ukraine-a76074

    Strangely, Turkey thinks that a Black Sea dominated by a militarily expansionist Russia is not to her advantage....
    I think Turkey think their goose will be cooked if Russia expansionist extends to the Black Sea.
    More that they will be stuffed and cooked to a turn if that happens......
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    This anti-EU goading isn't really informative of what is actually happening, so I wonder what you're up to.

    Apart from, you know, unwittingly reinforcing Putin's talking points.
    Try selling that to the Baltic states and Ukraine and what is actually happening
    Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise your goading of Scott was preserving the fucking freedom of the good people of Vilnius. Well done, we should probably get a medal pinned to your jacket ffs.
    I have been to the Baltic States and Russia terrifies them

    The EU should be standing together against this threat but it is clear Germany is not and even preventing NATO aircraft to 9v4rly their airspace

    It seems those who are so full of the EU cannot accept criticism in what is a very serious and developing crisis
    Just like those FBPE crackpots on Twitter.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,826

    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done visible from space...

    Queues of lorries backed up waiting to be processed at the Port of Dover are now so long the huge tailbacks can be seen from space on Google Maps satellite images
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/dover-lorry-queues-sparked-by-brexit-delays-so-long-they-can-be-seen-from-space/

    While Germany aligns with Russia against the EU Baltic states

    How about providing your insight into this divisive crisis now engulfing the EU
    Whats that got to do with the queue at Dover like
    @Scott_xP posts anti brexit tweets while remaining silent on the crisis engulfing his beloved EU
    Seems to be a NATO crisis rather than a EU crisis
    Germany aligning with Russia against the wishes of the Baltic states, with only the US and UK offering military assistance, and you think this is not a crisis for the EU
    Poor Turkey, forgotten.
    They aren't being discussed much in the current crisis are they? Erdogan has a curious relationship with Russia, sometimes close but at others not. He's sold drones to Ukraine which won't have pleased Putin and will be wary of Russian manoeuvres in the Black Sea.
    Actually he has told Russia to back off - https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/18/erdogan-warns-russia-against-invading-ukraine-a76074

    Strangely, Turkey thinks that a Black Sea dominated by a militarily expansionist Russia is not to her advantage....
    Of course but at other times Erdogan has cosied up to Putin. I think it's fairly clear he'd oppose an assault on Ukraine.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    edited January 2022
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Sitting on a balcony in Kollupitiya, Colombo 3, overlooking the starlit Indian Ocean, drinking the world’s FUCK OFFEST Gin Martini. It’s about a pint in quantity

    You?

    Either you down it in one or it'll be lukewarm before you're through. Not sure which is more eeeuch

    Send it back.
    True

    TBH I’m only drinking it because the bar has RUN OUT OF TONIC = no G&T

    It wouldn’t have happened during the Raj. And if it had happened, the bar manager would surely have been keelhauled in the bay by the Royal Navy
    Keelhauling seems such a cruel punshment, and yet it was far from exceptional.

    There's a horrible catalogue of ways to hurt people.
    Wasn’t it essentially a death sentence? Few survived keel-hauling, I believe

    Edit to add: Wiki claims it is quasi-mythical. However I have come to doubt the professional sensation-squashers in academic history. “Oh if there’s no written evidence that we can see right now then it never happened, its just tittle tattle”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keelhauling

    One example of this process - academics always trying to crush the more interesting or more lurid explanation: the Moche culture of north Peru. For decades serious, spectacled academics pooh-poohed the idea that the Moche ritually sacrificed their children in orgies of sodomy and drugs. Until the bones started showing up. And the drugs. And the undeniable evidence of cannibalism
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Citeh are overrated
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    I see Dutch Reach is being incorporated into the Highway Code - Is it really needed? Most people are sensible enough to look before opening a car door

    That explains the numerous clickbait articles I’ve seen recently ‘you’ll be fined £1000 for opening your car door the wrong way’
  • Gavin Williamson should start learning how to toss the salad (bye bye that knighthood.)

    In October 2020 the footballer Marcus Rashford vented his despair at MPs voting down proposals to extend free school meals during holidays. He was not the only one.

    Christian Wakeford, then Conservative MP for Bury South, a few miles north of Rashford’s Manchester United home ground, Old Trafford, was also appalled by the move. The 37-year-old, who had been elected to the Commons the previous year, told friends it was mean-spirited and the opposite of what red wall MPs were elected to do.

    Yet rather than voting for the opposition motion on school meals, and against the government, he abstained. His decision was informed by a conversation he had had with a colleague shortly before the vote.

    Wakeford says Gavin Williamson, then education secretary, pulled him out of the Members’ Dining Room of the House of Commons and threatened to cancel plans for a new school in his constituency if he did “not vote in one particular way”. He first made the allegation, without identifying the culprit, last week.

    Asked today who threatened to scrap the school, he said: “It was Gavin Williamson.”


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mp-points-finger-at-gavin-williamson-for-school-threat-dfg5kqwzf
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    stodge said:

    Getting f##king vaccinated....

    Staff throw their uniforms at the police outside Downing Street.
    https://twitter.com/SubjectAccesss/status/1484907250821046273?s=20

    I was in central London this afternoon - a reasonably good-natured protest around Parliament Square and Whitehall.

    I did feel a rubicon of sorts was crossed when, having put on a face mask to enter Westminster tube station, I was told to "take that f-ing mask off" by some anti-mask dimwit while at the same time the public address in the station was reminding me it was still a legal requirement to wear a face covering on Transport for London stations and trains.

    Thus did I encounter the final pathetic stereo of the pro-mask authoritarian and the anti-mask authoritarian at the same time.

    Wither liberty? Stick a memorial at Westminster tube station.

    When's the party to pull it own?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,148
    FPT:

    MattW said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    What on Earth are they thinking in Germany?

    More importantly, what are the Baltics, Poland, Romania et al thinking of Germany, the EU and NATO right now?
    This is becoming a very serious and divisive crisis for the EU

    UK supplying Ukraine with arms and personnel will be very well received by the Baltic states
    Slightly depressing article by Der Spiegel setting out the German position: https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-war-of-nerves-germany-has-little-maneuvering-room-in-ukraine-conflict-a-faece2a7-c098-48cb-a9cc-cd0d5daf78f1

    Basically its a mess. The Greens are constitutionally opposed to the deployment of German weapons abroad. The US is getting seriously impatient with both the Secretary of State and the head of the CIA delivering increasingly blunt messages. The Chancellor seems out of his depth and more focused on divisions in the SPD. The Germans are still dependent upon Russia for 45% of their gas. They have no LPG port and the Greens have serious reservations about importing gas gained from fracking anyway.

    Leaderless, policy free, trying to please everyone but in fact pleasing no one.
    We are in an energy war. Putin is about to test how far his strategy of controlling the lights across Europe has worked.

    Meanwhile, we have a Government that has had ample opportunity to tap that 50% of Europe's tidal power that comes through the UK. In this energy war, we could have our own squadrons of Spitfires, in the shape of tidal lagoon power stations. We have a PM that was all in favour of them when doing his tour of the country to get elected as Conservative leader and thus PM. But now it is his Government, he has done nothing to back them.

    As good a reason as any for him to go.
    We also have very considerably more than our fair share of wind power and the sale of the licences for Scottish waters last week, which should ultimately double our wind energy, was a very positive step in the right direction as was the investment in battery production in the UK. So its a bit of a mixed picture.

    For me, our biggest economic problem for the last 20 years has been a chronic trade deficit which is bleeding this country of its wealth and future prosperity. Its why I am very keen on domestic energy production including lagoons and domestic fracking as well as wind and solar. 3 of these also mean that we can make our global wwarming targets with less disruption. As we convert more and more vehicles to electric we are going to need a lot more power and the capacity to store it. It really is a no brainer to go for lagoon power and other internal production as the current price of international gas shows all too vividly.
    Our Government invested £9 billion in putting wind and solar energy into this country.

    That sucked in £14 billion in solar panels and wind turbine imports.....
    In our local villages there are new houses popping up left, right and centre. None of them has a solar panel fitted at the building stage, although a very few householders have gone to the expense of getting them retrofitted. This is madness, all the more so when there's a planning application before the council to build a solar farm on a mile of agricultural land.

    It's also madness to weigh the cost of tidal power against the cost of wind and solar. All three are necessary for balanced energy security. Last week was cold, calm and overcast and next week is shaping up to be the same. The call of a running tide may not be denied.
    I know of some council houses in SE Scotland where they had solar panels fitted from the start.
    This has been my massive bugbear for years. We build a couple of hundred thousand houses a year in the UK. Why can we not make it a planning condition that every new house has to be fitted with solar panels during the construction process? Both economies of scale and removing the need for remedial alterations to fit them would make it much cheaper than it currently is to retro-fit and if you are spending £150K or more on a new house then the additional marginal cost to the buyer is insignificant.
    I don't disagree at all. But is there not a problem with contracts for solar panels? Making owner occupied houses difficult to sell etc. I have no idea how that works with the council houses (or even if those are water or electric panels).
    The problem with contracts is when you lease your roof out to save having to pay the capital cost of the panels, then sell the house. It is a creature of too-generous subsidy early on.

    On compulsory solar in new houses I disagree. It is a mistake to be so prescriptive. There are situations where solar panels do not work well - examples are at the base of a North-facing steep hill (eg some glens in Scotland or Stoniey Middleton or Matlock Bath in Derbyshire), potentially in a mature wooded area, or in some configurations of estate design.

    It is better to have a model that allows tradeoffs as appropriate, and a high overall standard, which is what we have with the as-designed SAP procedure.

    A similar method is eg to trade off bigger windows against better insulated walls - a long established approach in Building Regs.

    Here's a great example of what happens when you mandate (or here, subsidise beyond the benefit provided) things. Solar panels on a Doctors near me. I'd say these were installed for the grant not the environment. Perhaps they also got a grant for the trees.



    So you refine it a little. But the basic principle should be the same. Except under exceptional circumstances all new builds have solar panels included.
    *If* solar panels are the best way of meeting the appropriate standard.

    My solar panel install cost £12k in 2016, and delivers about 5Mwh of electricity per year.

    If - for a newbuild - more can be saved by eg increasing insulation or reducing air leakage than by spending the same money on solar, then that is preferable.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Farooq said:


    It's a threat to democracies everywhere. To turn on ourselves at the moment of threat is stupidly irresponsible.
    We all know that mistakes have been made, both by Germany and the UK, but the real problem is Russian aggression. We don't need to feel good about ourselves by sneering at each other, we need to feel good about ourselves by doing the right thing, which is protecting each other. Fucking focus, people.

    What do you suggest?

    Are you advocating putting British troops on the ground in Ukraine?

    Seriously?

    The art of diplomacy is to always have a "get out" clause - there's no point boxing Putin into a corner so his only option is military. Sometimes, public concessions on one side have to be balanced by private concessions on the other. Putin knows he won't get NATO to roll back to pre-1989 borders so what does he really want? What does he need to "save political face" and de-escalate on the Ukrainian border?
  • ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    - “… the only way he’s is going to be pushed aside is if there’s a vote of confidence that he loses.“

    Impeachment?

    Most likely scenario is he is clearly nailed as having lied to HoC. In those circs I think even he would realise the game was up
    The last impeachment was that of Henry Dundas, 1st Viscount Melville in 1806; since then, other forms of democratic scrutiny (notably the doctrine of collective cabinet responsibility) have been favoured and the process has been considered as an obsolete—but still extant—power of Parliament.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_Kingdom
    Interesting that the last person impeached was Scottish.
    Not a coincidence. Scotland was effectively ruled as a Tory colony/dictatorship 1707-1800ish. Dundas was de facto Viceroy/Dictator of Scotland, albeit an “Enlightened” one. During the Victorian era, the Scottish Liberals gained hegemony. Then a series of Liberal splits/breakaways occurred (Labour, SNP, Liberal Unionists etc).
    Is that why so many Scottish naval officers ended up working for the Russian navy around then (like the guy who founded Sevastopol Thomas MacKenzie's father, and his wife's grandfather Thomas Gordon)?
    A job is a job. Since the Middle Ages, and before, Scots and their families have earned good money in the Baltic countries (Russia, Denmark, Sweden, Poland, Germany etc). Not just work, but emigration and immigration. Poland, Sweden and Russia in particular have a rich Scottish heritage.

    All crises in the home country encouraged further waves of activity. The Union was one such crisis, as was the Jacobite rising, the Killing Times and the fall of Dundas.
    The English got about a bit too! The chap who made Sevastopol accessible to large ships, and redesigned much if the city, in the 19C was English engineer John Upton. One of his sons was captured by the British in the Crimean War.

    The Russ/Scot who founded the city Thomas MacKenzie had a son who joined the British navy.
    Donetsk in Ukraine used to be called Yuzovka in pre-Communist days, in honour of John Hughes, a Welshman who founded a steel mill and some coal mines in the area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hughes_(businessman)
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