“Devastating surge of #COVID19 emerging in France 🇫🇷, where cases are near/at record highs. Cases also surging much faster & steeper than previous waves—especially in young children age 6-10. Similar spikes in other countries. May our children forgive us. HT @nicolasberrod”
France isn’t locking down though. At least not in the 2020 sense.
Many European nations are edging nervously towards a new lockdown
Even Denmark. Restrictions have returned there. Masks. Work from home. Extended school holidays. Midnight curfew
Nothing incredibly onerous - yet. But Denmark was one of the last success stories. Norway similar
Some countries are having a mare with deaths. Germany posted over 500 yesterday and Hungary regularly has a daily rate that would be equivalent to over 1,500 in the UK.
Meanwhile I just spotted this. Javid really did mean A DAY
“Omicron Covid cases could soon exceed one million a day, says Sajid Javid”
In my fag packet extrapolations I got to 1m cases a day in mid January, so Javid thinks it’s more transmissible than I do. Which is interesting. It surely means they know any lockdown is pointless, or they would have brought in a severe Plan Z lockdown ASAP
if it reaches 1m by December 31st, at a doubling rate of every 2-3 days it will be infecting 32m a day by the 2nd week January. In other words it will fizzle and die before then, having infected everyone it can
Lockdowns are meaningless. Nothing can stop this. So Plan B was just a gesture - which will fuck city centres and hospitality
But is it new cases of 1m a day, or 1m would test positive? Very different.
It would be a whole new disgrace if he meant the latter, given the ONS have regularly recorded that level since July 19th and the world has not remotely ended.
In fact we're there right now with delta per the last update.
On topic I think it's easy to see how Boris recovers from this. He does nothing much, there are some bad headlines, maybe he loses a by-election or maybe he doesn't. Then he waits for another issue where the Tory press are back on his side, and the Tory press are back on his side.
He lied to Lord Geidt in his investigation into whether the PM had broken the ministerial code. He was required to declare the donation, did not do so and thus had to lie about it. So having lied to that enquiry, his party has been fined and the evidence proving his lie comes out.
On then to what Boris was shitting himself about - the investigation by Katherine Stone the Independent Parliamentary Standard's Commissioner. We now know that not only did the PM break the ministerial code, but then also lied to a formal enquiry into it to ensure that he gets away with it.
He broke the ministerial code. And lied to cover it up. And then tried to abolish the standards commissioner to stop her finding out.
Imagine what relish will be employed to sanction the lying fucker within an inch of his political life...
Who remembers that PMQs a few months ago when Starmer was questioning Johnson on this? Johnson denied everything and Starmer said very knowingly words to the effect of "we'll just leave it there for now". Johnson could be in very big trouble here.
Yes, and I've reminded people of that comment a few times. Its been clear for a while that (a) Boris was in deep shit over flatgate and (b) Starmer knew more than he was saying.
Deliciously, all Liar has managed to do by lying is delay the inevitable. "Nobody cares about wallpaper" supposedly. Perhaps, but this is no longer about wallpaper.
Its now the Bunga Bunga Party flat where Nut Nut had illegal parties whilst the rest of us were locked down. Where Boris lied about a donor paying a huge £116k to pay for it. Where donors and dodgy money is a major fuck you factor to voters Where lying and lying and lying to hide the truth isn't a one-off "no-one cares" but is an almost constant pisstake Where not declaring and breaking the ministerial code, but lying about it to parliament and braking the code again is really bad when the Treasury bench continuously breaks the code and gets called out for it.
When the sanctions crash in and Johnson gets disbarred for a month, I don't think punters will be anything like as sympathetic as they would have been had the news come out in isolation earlier this year...
Not just that. A scandal that would have been bad (but probably not terminal, given his underlying popularity at the time) in May has been made worse (by all the lies) and pushed to a time when everyone is hacked off with him.
This is the sort of thing that some people have been going on about for ages- BJPM was bound to end in tears. And whilst this may not finish him off, things like this will keep happening and one of them will. And they will keep happening, because of the type of man Boris is.
He could be there for ten years, sure. But he could be out in ten days.
Liberal Remainers have wanted Boris out since day 1 since he is by far the most charismatic figure to hold the Leave coalition together which won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher in 2019. Remove Boris and it could be much harder for the Tories to stay in power after 10 years and keep the Redwall.
Getting concerned about a mere 4% Labour poll lead in midterm would be absurd when even Kinnock for most of 1990 and Ed Miliband in 2012 both had 10%+ leads midterm and Blair had 20%+ leads by the end of 1994.
If the Tories held North Shropshire it would ironically now be a triumph for Boris. The first Tory by election hold over the LDs since Witney in 2016, the Tories having lost Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnor and Chesham and Amersham to the LDs in by elections since
In your innermost heart, do you ever question why you are shilling for a schmuck?
He does not. He described the MPs upset with the schmuck as "Traitors" last night. He will snarl at them and cling to the crook right to the end. And then proclaim whichever "traitor" wins the leadership as the New Messiah who has and always has had his support.
We have always been at war with Eastepping.
Treason doth never prosper. What's the reason? If it doth prosper, none dare call it treason.
“Devastating surge of #COVID19 emerging in France 🇫🇷, where cases are near/at record highs. Cases also surging much faster & steeper than previous waves—especially in young children age 6-10. Similar spikes in other countries. May our children forgive us. HT @nicolasberrod”
France isn’t locking down though. At least not in the 2020 sense.
Many European nations are edging nervously towards a new lockdown
Even Denmark. Restrictions have returned there. Masks. Work from home. Extended school holidays. Midnight curfew
Nothing incredibly onerous - yet. But Denmark was one of the last success stories. Norway similar
Some countries are having a mare with deaths. Germany posted over 500 yesterday and Hungary regularly has a daily rate that would be equivalent to over 1,500 in the UK.
Meanwhile I just spotted this. Javid really did mean A DAY
“Omicron Covid cases could soon exceed one million a day, says Sajid Javid”
In my fag packet extrapolations I got to 1m cases a day in mid January, so Javid thinks it’s more transmissible than I do. Which is interesting. It surely means they know any lockdown is pointless, or they would have brought in a severe Plan Z lockdown ASAP
if it reaches 1m by December 31st, at a doubling rate of every 2-3 days it will be infecting 32m a day by the 2nd week January. In other words it will fizzle and die before then, having infected everyone it can
Lockdowns are meaningless. Nothing can stop this. So Plan B was just a gesture - which will fuck city centres and hospitality
Does he mean 1m new cases per day, or that on a given day there will be 1m with the bug?
On any given day right now about 1m have the bug
So it can’t be that. He must actually mean 1m new infections a day
Liberal Remainers have wanted Boris out since day 1 since he is by far the most charismatic figure to hold the Leave coalition together which won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher in 2019. Remove Boris and it could be much harder for the Tories to stay in power after 10 years and keep the Redwall.
Getting concerned about a mere 4% Labour poll lead in midterm would be absurd when even Kinnock for most of 1990 and Ed Miliband in 2012 both had 10%+ leads midterm and Blair had 20%+ leads by the end of 1994.
If the Tories held North Shropshire it would ironically now be a triumph for Boris. The first Tory by election hold over the LDs since Witney in 2016, the Tories having lost Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnor and Chesham and Amersham to the LDs in by elections since
You say "over the LDs" but LP is second party in this seat by a margin, 2019: 63/22/10%.
If CP does squeak it and tactical voting means that LP loses its deposit then Johnson has a couple of reasons to be very happy I agree.
Your posts are unremittingly in support of Johnson for the sole reason that he wins elections. I'm curious though - aren't you concerned at all about the directions that this administration is going in, for example the authoritarian direction including the bill to create second class citizens in this country?
Hahaha. You are talking to the man who thought we should use tanks on Scotland if they dare to vote to leave the Union and was cheerleading the Spanish police beating up Grannies for daring to vote. You could have the army shooting down students in the street and he would still be cheerleading this bunch of lunatics.
And the most frightening aspect is that he is not some lone nutter on an obscure blog, but an elected Conservative councillor who has a realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate. In any healthy democracy such unpleasant extremists would be expelled from a mainstream political party.
Oh I don't think he has any realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate.
He has a chance of being selected as one followed by rapid removal as a few posters on here inform the constituency of his posts on here. His views that abortion should be a political rather than personal moral decision would I suspect be enough for his removal - I can see about 80% of the (female) population voting instantly for anyone else once that was known.
I think HYUFD is brave, polite and honest, and I'm not inclined to criticise him for posting here or for seeking to interfere with his career. I don't think we should get to a point where people are afraid to say what they think on PB because someone might try to use it against them. We need a range of views, and should accept that some of them will be ones we strongly disagree with.
I don't think HYUFD is polite. He might not use taboo words, but his robotic repetition of points, his refusal to engage in any meaningful discussion and his self-declared delight in upsetting anyone who disagrees with him mark him out as a lot less polite than most of our foul-mouthed posters.
Nailed it.
I’ve a lot of time for ex mp palmer, but on this he is just plain wrong.
“Devastating surge of #COVID19 emerging in France 🇫🇷, where cases are near/at record highs. Cases also surging much faster & steeper than previous waves—especially in young children age 6-10. Similar spikes in other countries. May our children forgive us. HT @nicolasberrod”
France isn’t locking down though. At least not in the 2020 sense.
Many European nations are edging nervously towards a new lockdown
Even Denmark. Restrictions have returned there. Masks. Work from home. Extended school holidays. Midnight curfew
Nothing incredibly onerous - yet. But Denmark was one of the last success stories. Norway similar
Some countries are having a mare with deaths. Germany posted over 500 yesterday and Hungary regularly has a daily rate that would be equivalent to over 1,500 in the UK.
Meanwhile I just spotted this. Javid really did mean A DAY
“Omicron Covid cases could soon exceed one million a day, says Sajid Javid”
In my fag packet extrapolations I got to 1m cases a day in mid January, so Javid thinks it’s more transmissible than I do. Which is interesting. It surely means they know any lockdown is pointless, or they would have brought in a severe Plan Z lockdown ASAP
if it reaches 1m by December 31st, at a doubling rate of every 2-3 days it will be infecting 32m a day by the 2nd week January. In other words it will fizzle and die before then, having infected everyone it can
Lockdowns are meaningless. Nothing can stop this. So Plan B was just a gesture - which will fuck city centres and hospitality
Does he mean 1m new cases per day, or that on a given day there will be 1m with the bug?
On any given day right now about 1m have the bug
So it can’t be that. He must actually mean 1m new infections a day
“Devastating surge of #COVID19 emerging in France 🇫🇷, where cases are near/at record highs. Cases also surging much faster & steeper than previous waves—especially in young children age 6-10. Similar spikes in other countries. May our children forgive us. HT @nicolasberrod”
France isn’t locking down though. At least not in the 2020 sense.
Many European nations are edging nervously towards a new lockdown
Even Denmark. Restrictions have returned there. Masks. Work from home. Extended school holidays. Midnight curfew
Nothing incredibly onerous - yet. But Denmark was one of the last success stories. Norway similar
Some countries are having a mare with deaths. Germany posted over 500 yesterday and Hungary regularly has a daily rate that would be equivalent to over 1,500 in the UK.
Meanwhile I just spotted this. Javid really did mean A DAY
“Omicron Covid cases could soon exceed one million a day, says Sajid Javid”
In my fag packet extrapolations I got to 1m cases a day in mid January, so Javid thinks it’s more transmissible than I do. Which is interesting. It surely means they know any lockdown is pointless, or they would have brought in a severe Plan Z lockdown ASAP
if it reaches 1m by December 31st, at a doubling rate of every 2-3 days it will be infecting 32m a day by the 2nd week January. In other words it will fizzle and die before then, having infected everyone it can
Lockdowns are meaningless. Nothing can stop this. So Plan B was just a gesture - which will fuck city centres and hospitality
Does he mean 1m new cases per day, or that on a given day there will be 1m with the bug?
On any given day right now about 1m have the bug
So it can’t be that. He must actually mean 1m new infections a day
No, he will have meant at any one time....but he could mean via official testing, which would be higher than now....as 40-50k a day of news case, most people aren't deemed to have covid for much more than a week.
If it was a million cases a day, we might as well forget everything, 100ks will be dead in days. And we would be locking down now.
That is true - but this one was to an enquiry into his own financial conduct and probity which may also have involved him lying in the Commons, and at a time when his popularity has tumbled and he is losing the support of Tory MPs.
There is no person on Earth who didn't know he lied about his financial affairs, or that he lies to the house.
The only question is whether Tory MPs still think he wins them more votes than he loses.
See HYUFD passim...
The game plan was simple. Take a bung for nut-nut's palace wallpaper Find out you aren't allowed to take such bungs Get the standards commissioner and her entire function abolished Have MPs become judge and jury Threaten their Build Back Better money Win!
Can you see the flaw in the plan?
With Katherine Stone still in place. And it now egregiously clear that he has broken the ministerial code multiple times both on the original offence and the cover-up of the original offence. And with KS now openly saying she is going after the truth. Boris is fucked.
It doesn't matter what MPs think. After the Owen Paterson catastrofuck they will have no choice but to approve her findings and sanction.
On topic I think it's easy to see how Boris recovers from this. He does nothing much, there are some bad headlines, maybe he loses a by-election or maybe he doesn't. Then he waits for another issue where the Tory press are back on his side, and the Tory press are back on his side.
Can easily see that. You might be right.
The tory press do what they have always done, to get their beloved Tory party elected, I just think at this juncture, they want someone else to run their beloved party, but yes if that doesn't happen, without doubt, if the lying clown is still PM in 2 years time, they will make out he was marvellous all along, and so will some on here.
Liberal Remainers have wanted Boris out since day 1 since he is by far the most charismatic figure to hold the Leave coalition together which won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher in 2019. Remove Boris and it could be much harder for the Tories to stay in power after 10 years and keep the Redwall.
Getting concerned about a mere 4% Labour poll lead in midterm would be absurd when even Kinnock for most of 1990 and Ed Miliband in 2012 both had 10%+ leads midterm and Blair had 20%+ leads by the end of 1994.
If the Tories held North Shropshire it would ironically now be a triumph for Boris. The first Tory by election hold over the LDs since Witney in 2016, the Tories having lost Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnor and Chesham and Amersham to the LDs in by elections since
You say "over the LDs" but LP is second party in this seat by a margin, 2019: 63/22/10%.
If CP does squeak it and tactical voting means that LP loses its deposit then Johnson has a couple of reasons to be very happy I agree.
Your posts are unremittingly in support of Johnson for the sole reason that he wins elections. I'm curious though - aren't you concerned at all about the directions that this administration is going in, for example the authoritarian direction including the bill to create second class citizens in this country?
Hahaha. You are talking to the man who thought we should use tanks on Scotland if they dare to vote to leave the Union and was cheerleading the Spanish police beating up Grannies for daring to vote. You could have the army shooting down students in the street and he would still be cheerleading this bunch of lunatics.
And the most frightening aspect is that he is not some lone nutter on an obscure blog, but an elected Conservative councillor who has a realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate. In any healthy democracy such unpleasant extremists would be expelled from a mainstream political party.
Oh I don't think he has any realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate.
He has a chance of being selected as one followed by rapid removal as a few posters on here inform the constituency of his posts on here.
The screenshots have been posted on here. (Not by me I hasten to add.)
There is nothing I have posted on here which is not supported by most Tory members now.
Good for you. You are a bellwether. You move with the wind. Just what this country needs right now.
FUDHY “moves with the wind”. Yepp, that about sums up the State of England just now.
(I saw the Soup Dragon yesterday, so I have some Moon Rabbit soup for lunch today. Complete with the green string they used to trap it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBRyP_I0OOA)
Oh wow. That’s the stuff. Magical. 🥰
Bllllllllllllllllluh (Translated: without packing out Ukrainian with NATO troops, looks like the West have agree to let Putin invade without a fight)
He lied to Lord Geidt in his investigation into whether the PM had broken the ministerial code. He was required to declare the donation, did not do so and thus had to lie about it. So having lied to that enquiry, his party has been fined and the evidence proving his lie comes out.
On then to what Boris was shitting himself about - the investigation by Katherine Stone the Independent Parliamentary Standard's Commissioner. We now know that not only did the PM break the ministerial code, but then also lied to a formal enquiry into it to ensure that he gets away with it.
He broke the ministerial code. And lied to cover it up. And then tried to abolish the standards commissioner to stop her finding out.
Imagine what relish will be employed to sanction the lying fucker within an inch of his political life...
Who remembers that PMQs a few months ago when Starmer was questioning Johnson on this? Johnson denied everything and Starmer said very knowingly words to the effect of "we'll just leave it there for now". Johnson could be in very big trouble here.
Yes, and I've reminded people of that comment a few times. Its been clear for a while that (a) Boris was in deep shit over flatgate and (b) Starmer knew more than he was saying.
Deliciously, all Liar has managed to do by lying is delay the inevitable. "Nobody cares about wallpaper" supposedly. Perhaps, but this is no longer about wallpaper.
Its now the Bunga Bunga Party flat where Nut Nut had illegal parties whilst the rest of us were locked down. Where Boris lied about a donor paying a huge £116k to pay for it. Where donors and dodgy money is a major fuck you factor to voters Where lying and lying and lying to hide the truth isn't a one-off "no-one cares" but is an almost constant pisstake Where not declaring and breaking the ministerial code, but lying about it to parliament and braking the code again is really bad when the Treasury bench continuously breaks the code and gets called out for it.
When the sanctions crash in and Johnson gets disbarred for a month, I don't think punters will be anything like as sympathetic as they would have been had the news come out in isolation earlier this year...
Not just that. A scandal that would have been bad (but probably not terminal, given his underlying popularity at the time) in May has been made worse (by all the lies) and pushed to a time when everyone is hacked off with him.
This is the sort of thing that some people have been going on about for ages- BJPM was bound to end in tears. And whilst this may not finish him off, things like this will keep happening and one of them will. And they will keep happening, because of the type of man Boris is.
He could be there for ten years, sure. But he could be out in ten days.
He won't though. No more Parliamentary challenges until next year. Even if LD's win Shropshire N it'll be 'My priority at the moment is my family. Little Wilfred needs his Father Christmas games.' Or something. That's if the Press can find him. Dominic Raab's not going to have much of a time, though!
I think given how little testing is done need to be really careful. Positivity rates are off the charts.
It would be great to think that it just whipped through the unvaccinated youngsters and that was it
The significance was the source. Pagel is not known for being a good news kind of person so if she’s tweeting it then I think it’s significant. But I take your point.
Maybe even she is sick of constantly pumping out depressing news :-)
Princess Pagers was railing against vaxports and calling for travel bans to be rescinded the other day IIRC.
If I remember correctly, not so long ago HYUFD was contemplating the prospect of a Lib Dem win in the North Shropshire byelection. I wonder if he could be tempted to forecast the size of the Lib Dem majority now?
He won't though. No more Parliamentary challenges until next year. Even if LD's win Shropshire N it'll be 'My priority at the moment is my family. Little Wilfred needs his Father Christmas games.' Or something. That's if the Press can find him. Dominic Raab's not going to have much of a time, though!
Liberal Remainers have wanted Boris out since day 1 since he is by far the most charismatic figure to hold the Leave coalition together which won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher in 2019. Remove Boris and it could be much harder for the Tories to stay in power after 10 years and keep the Redwall.
Getting concerned about a mere 4% Labour poll lead in midterm would be absurd when even Kinnock for most of 1990 and Ed Miliband in 2012 both had 10%+ leads midterm and Blair had 20%+ leads by the end of 1994.
If the Tories held North Shropshire it would ironically now be a triumph for Boris. The first Tory by election hold over the LDs since Witney in 2016, the Tories having lost Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnor and Chesham and Amersham to the LDs in by elections since
You say "over the LDs" but LP is second party in this seat by a margin, 2019: 63/22/10%.
If CP does squeak it and tactical voting means that LP loses its deposit then Johnson has a couple of reasons to be very happy I agree.
Your posts are unremittingly in support of Johnson for the sole reason that he wins elections. I'm curious though - aren't you concerned at all about the directions that this administration is going in, for example the authoritarian direction including the bill to create second class citizens in this country?
Hahaha. You are talking to the man who thought we should use tanks on Scotland if they dare to vote to leave the Union and was cheerleading the Spanish police beating up Grannies for daring to vote. You could have the army shooting down students in the street and he would still be cheerleading this bunch of lunatics.
And the most frightening aspect is that he is not some lone nutter on an obscure blog, but an elected Conservative councillor who has a realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate. In any healthy democracy such unpleasant extremists would be expelled from a mainstream political party.
Oh I don't think he has any realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate.
He has a chance of being selected as one followed by rapid removal as a few posters on here inform the constituency of his posts on here.
The screenshots have been posted on here. (Not by me I hasten to add.)
There is nothing I have posted on here which is not supported by most Tory members now.
Good for you. You are a bellwether. You move with the wind. Just what this country needs right now.
FUDHY “moves with the wind”. Yepp, that about sums up the State of England just now.
A bellwether is a castrated ram that leads other sheep.
“Devastating surge of #COVID19 emerging in France 🇫🇷, where cases are near/at record highs. Cases also surging much faster & steeper than previous waves—especially in young children age 6-10. Similar spikes in other countries. May our children forgive us. HT @nicolasberrod”
France isn’t locking down though. At least not in the 2020 sense.
Many European nations are edging nervously towards a new lockdown
Even Denmark. Restrictions have returned there. Masks. Work from home. Extended school holidays. Midnight curfew
Nothing incredibly onerous - yet. But Denmark was one of the last success stories. Norway similar
Some countries are having a mare with deaths. Germany posted over 500 yesterday and Hungary regularly has a daily rate that would be equivalent to over 1,500 in the UK.
Meanwhile I just spotted this. Javid really did mean A DAY
“Omicron Covid cases could soon exceed one million a day, says Sajid Javid”
In my fag packet extrapolations I got to 1m cases a day in mid January, so Javid thinks it’s more transmissible than I do. Which is interesting. It surely means they know any lockdown is pointless, or they would have brought in a severe Plan Z lockdown ASAP
if it reaches 1m by December 31st, at a doubling rate of every 2-3 days it will be infecting 32m a day by the 2nd week January. In other words it will fizzle and die before then, having infected everyone it can
Lockdowns are meaningless. Nothing can stop this. So Plan B was just a gesture - which will fuck city centres and hospitality
Does he mean 1m new cases per day, or that on a given day there will be 1m with the bug?
On any given day right now about 1m have the bug
So it can’t be that. He must actually mean 1m new infections a day
No, he will have meant at any one time....but he could mean via official testing, which would be higher than now....as 40-50k a day of news case, most people aren't deemed to have covid for much more than a week.
If it was a million cases a day, we might as well forget everything, 100ks will be dead in days. And we would be locking down now.
It’s certainly and annoyingly vague. I’m gonna check his actual words
Liberal Remainers have wanted Boris out since day 1 since he is by far the most charismatic figure to hold the Leave coalition together which won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher in 2019. Remove Boris and it could be much harder for the Tories to stay in power after 10 years and keep the Redwall.
Getting concerned about a mere 4% Labour poll lead in midterm would be absurd when even Kinnock for most of 1990 and Ed Miliband in 2012 both had 10%+ leads midterm and Blair had 20%+ leads by the end of 1994.
If the Tories held North Shropshire it would ironically now be a triumph for Boris. The first Tory by election hold over the LDs since Witney in 2016, the Tories having lost Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnor and Chesham and Amersham to the LDs in by elections since
You say "over the LDs" but LP is second party in this seat by a margin, 2019: 63/22/10%.
If CP does squeak it and tactical voting means that LP loses its deposit then Johnson has a couple of reasons to be very happy I agree.
Your posts are unremittingly in support of Johnson for the sole reason that he wins elections. I'm curious though - aren't you concerned at all about the directions that this administration is going in, for example the authoritarian direction including the bill to create second class citizens in this country?
Hahaha. You are talking to the man who thought we should use tanks on Scotland if they dare to vote to leave the Union and was cheerleading the Spanish police beating up Grannies for daring to vote. You could have the army shooting down students in the street and he would still be cheerleading this bunch of lunatics.
And the most frightening aspect is that he is not some lone nutter on an obscure blog, but an elected Conservative councillor who has a realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate. In any healthy democracy such unpleasant extremists would be expelled from a mainstream political party.
Oh I don't think he has any realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate.
He has a chance of being selected as one followed by rapid removal as a few posters on here inform the constituency of his posts on here.
The screenshots have been posted on here. (Not by me I hasten to add.)
There is nothing I have posted on here which is not supported by most Tory members now.
Good for you. You are a bellwether. You move with the wind. Just what this country needs right now.
FUDHY “moves with the wind”. Yepp, that about sums up the State of England just now.
A bellwether is a castrated ram that leads other sheep.
If I remember correctly, not so long ago HYUFD was contemplating the prospect of a Lib Dem win in the North Shropshire byelection. I wonder if he could be tempted to forecast the size of the Lib Dem majority now?
My forecast for next Thursday in North Shropshire - Conservatives 45%, LDs 30%, Labour 15%, Reform UK 5%, others 5%.
I was pretty close in my forecast to the result in Old Bexley and Sidcup too
On topic I think it's easy to see how Boris recovers from this. He does nothing much, there are some bad headlines, maybe he loses a by-election or maybe he doesn't. Then he waits for another issue where the Tory press are back on his side, and the Tory press are back on his side.
Can easily see that. You might be right.
The tory press do what they have always done, to get their beloved Tory party elected, I just think at this juncture, they want someone else to run their beloved party, but yes if that doesn't happen, without doubt, if the lying clown is still PM in 2 years time, they will make out he was marvellous all along, and so will some on here.
That is true - but this one was to an enquiry into his own financial conduct and probity which may also have involved him lying in the Commons, and at a time when his popularity has tumbled and he is losing the support of Tory MPs.
There is no person on Earth who didn't know he lied about his financial affairs, or that he lies to the house.
The only question is whether Tory MPs still think he wins them more votes than he loses.
See HYUFD passim...
The game plan was simple. Take a bung for nut-nut's palace wallpaper Find out you aren't allowed to take such bungs Get the standards commissioner and her entire function abolished Have MPs become judge and jury Threaten their Build Back Better money Win!
Can you see the flaw in the plan?
With Katherine Stone still in place. And it now egregiously clear that he has broken the ministerial code multiple times both on the original offence and the cover-up of the original offence. And with KS now openly saying she is going after the truth. Boris is fucked.
It doesn't matter what MPs think. After the Owen Paterson catastrofuck they will have no choice but to approve her findings and sanction.
The question always was - what was so urgent that Boris needed to use Owen Paterson as the justification for changing the process. And now we have it confirmed it was Boris's wallpaper.
If I remember correctly, not so long ago HYUFD was contemplating the prospect of a Lib Dem win in the North Shropshire byelection. I wonder if he could be tempted to forecast the size of the Lib Dem majority now?
My forecast for next Thursday in North Shropshire - Conservatives 45%, LDs 30%, Labour 15%, Reform UK 5%, others 5%.
I was pretty close in my forecast to the result in Old Bexley and Sidcup too
Thank you, HY. So on the basis of that, since the Lib Dems and the Tories are neck and neck on Betfair, you have lumped on pretty heavily on the Tory candidate?
Liberal Remainers have wanted Boris out since day 1 since he is by far the most charismatic figure to hold the Leave coalition together which won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher in 2019. Remove Boris and it could be much harder for the Tories to stay in power after 10 years and keep the Redwall.
Getting concerned about a mere 4% Labour poll lead in midterm would be absurd when even Kinnock for most of 1990 and Ed Miliband in 2012 both had 10%+ leads midterm and Blair had 20%+ leads by the end of 1994.
If the Tories held North Shropshire it would ironically now be a triumph for Boris. The first Tory by election hold over the LDs since Witney in 2016, the Tories having lost Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnor and Chesham and Amersham to the LDs in by elections since
You say "over the LDs" but LP is second party in this seat by a margin, 2019: 63/22/10%.
If CP does squeak it and tactical voting means that LP loses its deposit then Johnson has a couple of reasons to be very happy I agree.
Your posts are unremittingly in support of Johnson for the sole reason that he wins elections. I'm curious though - aren't you concerned at all about the directions that this administration is going in, for example the authoritarian direction including the bill to create second class citizens in this country?
Hahaha. You are talking to the man who thought we should use tanks on Scotland if they dare to vote to leave the Union and was cheerleading the Spanish police beating up Grannies for daring to vote. You could have the army shooting down students in the street and he would still be cheerleading this bunch of lunatics.
And the most frightening aspect is that he is not some lone nutter on an obscure blog, but an elected Conservative councillor who has a realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate. In any healthy democracy such unpleasant extremists would be expelled from a mainstream political party.
Oh I don't think he has any realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate.
He has a chance of being selected as one followed by rapid removal as a few posters on here inform the constituency of his posts on here.
The screenshots have been posted on here. (Not by me I hasten to add.)
There is nothing I have posted on here which is not supported by most Tory members now.
Good for you. You are a bellwether. You move with the wind. Just what this country needs right now.
FUDHY “moves with the wind”. Yepp, that about sums up the State of England just now.
A bellwether is a castrated ram that leads other sheep.
A weather vane moves with the wind.
I knew they were different but didn’t know what a bellwether was. Thanks!
Liberal Remainers have wanted Boris out since day 1 since he is by far the most charismatic figure to hold the Leave coalition together which won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher in 2019. Remove Boris and it could be much harder for the Tories to stay in power after 10 years and keep the Redwall.
Getting concerned about a mere 4% Labour poll lead in midterm would be absurd when even Kinnock for most of 1990 and Ed Miliband in 2012 both had 10%+ leads midterm and Blair had 20%+ leads by the end of 1994.
If the Tories held North Shropshire it would ironically now be a triumph for Boris. The first Tory by election hold over the LDs since Witney in 2016, the Tories having lost Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnor and Chesham and Amersham to the LDs in by elections since
You say "over the LDs" but LP is second party in this seat by a margin, 2019: 63/22/10%.
If CP does squeak it and tactical voting means that LP loses its deposit then Johnson has a couple of reasons to be very happy I agree.
Your posts are unremittingly in support of Johnson for the sole reason that he wins elections. I'm curious though - aren't you concerned at all about the directions that this administration is going in, for example the authoritarian direction including the bill to create second class citizens in this country?
Hahaha. You are talking to the man who thought we should use tanks on Scotland if they dare to vote to leave the Union and was cheerleading the Spanish police beating up Grannies for daring to vote. You could have the army shooting down students in the street and he would still be cheerleading this bunch of lunatics.
And the most frightening aspect is that he is not some lone nutter on an obscure blog, but an elected Conservative councillor who has a realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate. In any healthy democracy such unpleasant extremists would be expelled from a mainstream political party.
Says a supporter of the Scottish National Party, a party filled with extremist lunatics
The Union will only be lost by giving in to you lot
By “giving in” you mean accepting the democratic will of the Scottish people as expressed at the ballot box.
Maybe the best answer of all would have been moving to a Commonwealth type system for the Union 200 years ago, not all shared history since has been good?
If people still think my view on Scotland independence is still patronising and idiotic, I apologise I can’t explain my concern about Scotland turning to Nationalism for answers any more politely. If the real enemy is Globalisation and foreign capital, turning to Nationalism for the way forward is a fools gold in my opinion.
use me as example. My Dad owns land and businesses not at all local to London. He is buying property in London (me and my friend live in this lovely flat for free) but is this not pricing proper London geezers, moody and all that out of the property ladder here? A capital wealth thing from somewhere else changing the way of life of people thst doesn’t have the wealth. That’s the issue Scottish Nationalism needs to treat as enemy.
Based on wealth is power and power is wealth (unless you disagree with this maxim) I believe it is a legitimate question to ask the SNP leadership and it’s party members and supporters - and a very good debate for them to be asking each other too is it not - in an independent Scotland, who owns Scotland? Who owns the land? Who owns the properties? Who owns the factories and all the other industries people work in?
To say you are rich because you are free, but actually having financial clout in this world would be a bonus as well - I’m not sure I would define as a strong starting place for Independent Scotland. But my main concern this position weakens over time, without bridges to your friends. Like me!
Other than this concern, I am right behind any push for a better place for Scottish common origin, ethnicity, and cultural identity in this world and all that.
But turning to Nationalism to fight globalisation? I’m not convinced to be honest
When Johnson goes, it will be a whole tide of things that sinks him. There've been three scandals this week alone - the Afghan hearings, Xmas parties, and now wallpaper - any one of which could have generated a week's worth of headlines in more normal times (anyone remember those?)
If I remember correctly, not so long ago HYUFD was contemplating the prospect of a Lib Dem win in the North Shropshire byelection. I wonder if he could be tempted to forecast the size of the Lib Dem majority now?
My forecast for next Thursday in North Shropshire - Conservatives 45%, LDs 30%, Labour 15%, Reform UK 5%, others 5%.
I was pretty close in my forecast to the result in Old Bexley and Sidcup too
It's going to be closer than that, I think. But I'm nowhere near confident that the LibDems will take it. My man on the ground (who lives in the village where the Conservative candidate has rented his holiday cottage...) says a lot of people are still undecided.
If I remember correctly, not so long ago HYUFD was contemplating the prospect of a Lib Dem win in the North Shropshire byelection. I wonder if he could be tempted to forecast the size of the Lib Dem majority now?
My forecast for next Thursday in North Shropshire - Conservatives 45%, LDs 30%, Labour 15%, Reform UK 5%, others 5%.
I was pretty close in my forecast to the result in Old Bexley and Sidcup too
That only works if turnout is at postal vote levels and most postal votes have been sent.
I suspect the result will be very different because Tory voters won't bother and those wishing to protest will vote (and know who to vote for).
If i was in Boris position now i would step down to spend more time with family and do a teary interview saying never fully recovered from COVID, i suffer brain fog, forgetting exact details, etc etc, it gets better for a bit, then when work load piles on, i go backwards, my doctors have advised me that i can't carry on pushing myself like this...
"The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) estimates that the number of infections are approximately 20 times higher than the number of confirmed cases, and so the current number of infections is probably closer to 10,000.
"UKHSA also estimate that at the current observed doubling rate of between two and a half and three days, by the end of this month, infections could exceed 1 million."
If I remember correctly, not so long ago HYUFD was contemplating the prospect of a Lib Dem win in the North Shropshire byelection. I wonder if he could be tempted to forecast the size of the Lib Dem majority now?
My forecast for next Thursday in North Shropshire - Conservatives 45%, LDs 30%, Labour 15%, Reform UK 5%, others 5%.
I was pretty close in my forecast to the result in Old Bexley and Sidcup too
No idea what the result will be, but it may well depend on how well the people of NS have received their instruction to vote LD and not Labour.
How it arose that among the chattering classes it had to be LD from 3rd and not Labour from 2nd place is still a bit of a mystery - and looks like a missed trick by SKS (unless to betting is totally wrong)
Liberal Remainers have wanted Boris out since day 1 since he is by far the most charismatic figure to hold the Leave coalition together which won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher in 2019. Remove Boris and it could be much harder for the Tories to stay in power after 10 years and keep the Redwall.
Getting concerned about a mere 4% Labour poll lead in midterm would be absurd when even Kinnock for most of 1990 and Ed Miliband in 2012 both had 10%+ leads midterm and Blair had 20%+ leads by the end of 1994.
If the Tories held North Shropshire it would ironically now be a triumph for Boris. The first Tory by election hold over the LDs since Witney in 2016, the Tories having lost Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnor and Chesham and Amersham to the LDs in by elections since
You say "over the LDs" but LP is second party in this seat by a margin, 2019: 63/22/10%.
If CP does squeak it and tactical voting means that LP loses its deposit then Johnson has a couple of reasons to be very happy I agree.
Your posts are unremittingly in support of Johnson for the sole reason that he wins elections. I'm curious though - aren't you concerned at all about the directions that this administration is going in, for example the authoritarian direction including the bill to create second class citizens in this country?
Hahaha. You are talking to the man who thought we should use tanks on Scotland if they dare to vote to leave the Union and was cheerleading the Spanish police beating up Grannies for daring to vote. You could have the army shooting down students in the street and he would still be cheerleading this bunch of lunatics.
And the most frightening aspect is that he is not some lone nutter on an obscure blog, but an elected Conservative councillor who has a realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate. In any healthy democracy such unpleasant extremists would be expelled from a mainstream political party.
Oh I don't think he has any realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate.
He has a chance of being selected as one followed by rapid removal as a few posters on here inform the constituency of his posts on here. His views that abortion should be a political rather than personal moral decision would I suspect be enough for his removal - I can see about 80% of the (female) population voting instantly for anyone else once that was known.
I think HYUFD is brave, polite and honest, and I'm not inclined to criticise him for posting here or for seeking to interfere with his career. I don't think we should get to a point where people are afraid to say what they think on PB because someone might try to use it against them. We need a range of views, and should accept that some of them will be ones we strongly disagree with.
I don't think HYUFD is polite. He might not use taboo words, but his robotic repetition of points, his refusal to engage in any meaningful discussion and his self-declared delight in upsetting anyone who disagrees with him mark him out as a lot less polite than most of our foul-mouthed posters.
I will keep on here to annoy the likes of you then. The representation of pro Boris Tories on here is already small enough anyway compared to the country at large.
I also thank Nick for his comments. I don't agree with him on barely anything but have always found him civil and engaging, certainly more so than many to the right of him including some so called PBTories who are in reality largely just Orange Book LDs
I don't want you to stop posting. Typical of you to miss the point entirely.
This is the only place on the internet where I have ever had civil and illuminating discussions with people I disagree with. There are lots of arguments too, but there is sometimes an opportunity to understand an opposing point of view in a way that doesn't happen elsewhere.
This never happens with you. It's as though you view posting on here as some form of political trench warfare, and your machine-gunning style of engagement makers it harder for any more interesting discussions to happen. That's why I say you're not polite. And worse you're boring.
I don't understand the hagiography that others are willing to write about you.
John Redwood @johnredwood · 5h Today I am asking the Health Secretary to put in some more hospital beds so we have more NHS capacity. That would be a good use of the extra money.
Rachel Clarke @doctor_oxford · 1h What a good idea. We can ask the NHS unicorns to staff them
@Dominic2306 There was no party on Fri 27/11. Red herring. A staff member left their job. Walked to press office to say bye, PM bumbled in & started babbling, everyone embarrassed, dispersed. Focus shd be actual party in PM's flat Fri 13/11 reported AT THE TIME but ignored by lobby!
If i was in Boris position now i would step down to spend more time with family and do a teary interview saying never fully recovered from COVID, i suffer brain fog, forgetting exact details, etc etc, it gets better for a bit, then when work load piles on, i go backwards, my doctors have advised me that i can't carry on pushing myself like this...
Gotta save the brand for afterwards. Doesn't want to end up looking both not clever and not funny.
When Johnson goes, it will be a whole tide of things that sinks him. There've been three scandals this week alone - the Afghan hearings, Xmas parties, and now wallpaper - any one of which could have generated a week's worth of headlines in more normal times (anyone remember those?)
The thing with all those scandals are they just keep reappearing. Most of the time you get to an end and that's that but here - something new appears and restarts them a few weeks later.
Who could possibly have predicted that the Conservatives choosing as leader and PM a mendacious, amoral, untrustworthy, disorganised, self-centred buffoon, with the attention-span of a gnat, would lead to chaotic and dysfunctional government, and wouldn't even be in the long-term interests of the Conservative Party?
They don't even have the excuse that they mistakenly projected their hopes on to a blank slate. This slate was already very well-scribbled over; there can't have been a single member of the party who wasn't perfectly aware by 2019 that Boris was totally unsuited to high office.
If i was in Boris position now i would step down to spend more time with family and do a teary interview saying never fully recovered from COVID, i suffer brain fog, forgetting exact details, etc etc, it gets better for a bit, then when work load piles on, i go backwards, my doctors have advised me that i can't carry on pushing myself like this...
That’s also likely true. He looks pretty fucked. His mumbling is worse. Peppa Pig. Etc
Sobering that we are now just a few weeks away from Priti Patel having the legal right to arbitrarily remove British citizenship from millions of British citizens.
She already has that right. Tony Blair crossed that bridge. Just ask Begum.
Nope - there was no right to do it arbitrarily, there had to be a specific reason and the subject had to be given advanced notice.
“Devastating surge of #COVID19 emerging in France 🇫🇷, where cases are near/at record highs. Cases also surging much faster & steeper than previous waves—especially in young children age 6-10. Similar spikes in other countries. May our children forgive us. HT @nicolasberrod”
Who could possibly have predicted that the Conservatives choosing as leader and PM a mendacious, amoral, untrustworthy, disorganised, self-centred buffoon, with the attention-span of a gnat, would lead to chaotic and dysfunctional government, and wouldn't even be in the long-term interests of the Conservative Party?
They don't even have the excuse that they mistakenly projected their hopes on to a blank slate. This slate was already very well-scribbled over; there can't have been a single member of the party who wasn't perfectly aware by 2019 that Boris was totally unsuited to high office.
You would have thought his time as Foreign Secretary showed as much.
“Devastating surge of #COVID19 emerging in France 🇫🇷, where cases are near/at record highs. Cases also surging much faster & steeper than previous waves—especially in young children age 6-10. Similar spikes in other countries. May our children forgive us. HT @nicolasberrod”
If i was in Boris position now i would step down to spend more time with family and do a teary interview saying never fully recovered from COVID, i suffer brain fog, forgetting exact details, etc etc, it gets better for a bit, then when work load piles on, i go backwards, my doctors have advised me that i can't carry on pushing myself like this...
That’s also likely true. He looks pretty fucked. His mumbling is worse. Peppa Pig. Etc
Who could possibly have predicted that the Conservatives choosing as leader and PM a mendacious, amoral, untrustworthy, disorganised, self-centred buffoon, with the attention-span of a gnat, would lead to chaotic and dysfunctional government, and wouldn't even be in the long-term interests of the Conservative Party?
They don't even have the excuse that they mistakenly projected their hopes on to a blank slate. This slate was already very well-scribbled over; there can't have been a single member of the party who wasn't perfectly aware by 2019 that Boris was totally unsuited to high office.
If it was not for Boris the Tories would not have a majority of 80, Brexit would still not have got done and Corbyn would still be leader of the Labour Party
If I remember correctly, not so long ago HYUFD was contemplating the prospect of a Lib Dem win in the North Shropshire byelection. I wonder if he could be tempted to forecast the size of the Lib Dem majority now?
My forecast for next Thursday in North Shropshire - Conservatives 45%, LDs 30%, Labour 15%, Reform UK 5%, others 5%.
I was pretty close in my forecast to the result in Old Bexley and Sidcup too
Thank you, HY. So on the basis of that, since the Lib Dems and the Tories are neck and neck on Betfair, you have lumped on pretty heavily on the Tory candidate?
If i was in Boris position now i would step down to spend more time with family and do a teary interview saying never fully recovered from COVID, i suffer brain fog, forgetting exact details, etc etc, it gets better for a bit, then when work load piles on, i go backwards, my doctors have advised me that i can't carry on pushing myself like this...
That’s also likely true. He looks pretty fucked. His mumbling is worse. Peppa Pig. Etc
I think it is many fold. His chaotic life, COVID, being PM when he isn't up to*, and then his long held tendency to play fast and loose with the truth but now every word is analysed, so there is never a let up in the pressure.
* I believe he is one of those people who were smart as a kid, had a good way with words but peaked by time 18-19. Then spend the rest of their lives thinking they are still much smarter than everybody else when they aren't, nor can they get away with doing their homework 5 mins before the bell any longer.
They need to say over and over and over again in advance, the incident that takes rival out the race will be scrutinised, if judged intent to do that we will dock the required number of points title is not won
Liberal Remainers have wanted Boris out since day 1 since he is by far the most charismatic figure to hold the Leave coalition together which won the biggest Tory landslide since Thatcher in 2019. Remove Boris and it could be much harder for the Tories to stay in power after 10 years and keep the Redwall.
Getting concerned about a mere 4% Labour poll lead in midterm would be absurd when even Kinnock for most of 1990 and Ed Miliband in 2012 both had 10%+ leads midterm and Blair had 20%+ leads by the end of 1994.
If the Tories held North Shropshire it would ironically now be a triumph for Boris. The first Tory by election hold over the LDs since Witney in 2016, the Tories having lost Richmond Park, Brecon and Radnor and Chesham and Amersham to the LDs in by elections since
You say "over the LDs" but LP is second party in this seat by a margin, 2019: 63/22/10%.
If CP does squeak it and tactical voting means that LP loses its deposit then Johnson has a couple of reasons to be very happy I agree.
Your posts are unremittingly in support of Johnson for the sole reason that he wins elections. I'm curious though - aren't you concerned at all about the directions that this administration is going in, for example the authoritarian direction including the bill to create second class citizens in this country?
Hahaha. You are talking to the man who thought we should use tanks on Scotland if they dare to vote to leave the Union and was cheerleading the Spanish police beating up Grannies for daring to vote. You could have the army shooting down students in the street and he would still be cheerleading this bunch of lunatics.
And the most frightening aspect is that he is not some lone nutter on an obscure blog, but an elected Conservative councillor who has a realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate. In any healthy democracy such unpleasant extremists would be expelled from a mainstream political party.
Oh I don't think he has any realistic chance of being a parliamentary candidate.
He has a chance of being selected as one followed by rapid removal as a few posters on here inform the constituency of his posts on here. His views that abortion should be a political rather than personal moral decision would I suspect be enough for his removal - I can see about 80% of the (female) population voting instantly for anyone else once that was known.
I think HYUFD is brave, polite and honest, and I'm not inclined to criticise him for posting here or for seeking to interfere with his career. I don't think we should get to a point where people are afraid to say what they think on PB because someone might try to use it against them. We need a range of views, and should accept that some of them will be ones we strongly disagree with.
I don't think HYUFD is polite. He might not use taboo words, but his robotic repetition of points, his refusal to engage in any meaningful discussion and his self-declared delight in upsetting anyone who disagrees with him mark him out as a lot less polite than most of our foul-mouthed posters.
I will keep on here to annoy the likes of you then. The representation of pro Boris Tories on here is already small enough anyway compared to the country at large.
I also thank Nick for his comments. I don't agree with him on barely anything but have always found him civil and engaging, certainly more so than many to the right of him including some so called PBTories who are in reality largely just Orange Book LDs
I don't want you to stop posting. Typical of you to miss the point entirely.
This is the only place on the internet where I have ever had civil and illuminating discussions with people I disagree with. There are lots of arguments too, but there is sometimes an opportunity to understand an opposing point of view in a way that doesn't happen elsewhere.
This never happens with you. It's as though you view posting on here as some form of political trench warfare, and your machine-gunning style of engagement makers it harder for any more interesting discussions to happen. That's why I say you're not polite. And worse you're boring.
I don't understand the hagiography that others are willing to write about you.
It is difficult to post something ironically, with the raised eyebrow and grin which means the poster doesn't something to be taken at face value. Which easily;y done in a face to face situation.
And I suspect that both my Essex neighbour and those 'critical' of him sometimes suffer from that difficulty.
Who could possibly have predicted that the Conservatives choosing as leader and PM a mendacious, amoral, untrustworthy, disorganised, self-centred buffoon, with the attention-span of a gnat, would lead to chaotic and dysfunctional government, and wouldn't even be in the long-term interests of the Conservative Party?
They don't even have the excuse that they mistakenly projected their hopes on to a blank slate. This slate was already very well-scribbled over; there can't have been a single member of the party who wasn't perfectly aware by 2019 that Boris was totally unsuited to high office.
If it was not for Boris the Tories would not have a majority of 80, Brexit would still not have got done and Corbyn would still be leader of the Labour Party
In turn:
- Yes - No - I doubt it, but even if it were the case, so what?
In any case you've ignored the point. Yes, it might have been in the very short-term interests of the party to choose this amoral buffoon, but you didn't have be a superforecaster to figure out that it would be a disaster for both the country and the party in the medium term.
Who could possibly have predicted that the Conservatives choosing as leader and PM a mendacious, amoral, untrustworthy, disorganised, self-centred buffoon, with the attention-span of a gnat, would lead to chaotic and dysfunctional government, and wouldn't even be in the long-term interests of the Conservative Party?
They don't even have the excuse that they mistakenly projected their hopes on to a blank slate. This slate was already very well-scribbled over; there can't have been a single member of the party who wasn't perfectly aware by 2019 that Boris was totally unsuited to high office.
When Johnson goes, it will be a whole tide of things that sinks him. There've been three scandals this week alone - the Afghan hearings, Xmas parties, and now wallpaper - any one of which could have generated a week's worth of headlines in more normal times (anyone remember those?)
Absolutely - the cumulative effect always magnifies the pressure. The reason why I am calling this one and not the others as final break factor is that its no longer in his control.
He can deflect and obfuscate things like Afghanistan though the stench from them spices up the way that all of these are received. He can try and ignore dodgy PPE contracts. He can try to insist "I wasn't there" for the parties.
But wallpapergate? He lied. To the independent arbiter investigating alleged breach of the ministerial code. He lied. To parliament after his earlier lies found him not to have breached the code. He tried to remove the standards commissioner so that not only will she now go after this with aplomb but they can do nothing but accept her findings.
When she reports, Boris will be caught in a web of lies about dodgy donations to spend an unfathomable amount of money decorating a flat that was used by the PM and his family and staff for repeated breaches of the law. And THAT sinks him. Because the PM has to obey the law. Even this one. And people will no longer be as dismissive as they would have been if this had broken earlier this year.
BTW great to see you posting a little more regularly
Who could possibly have predicted that the Conservatives choosing as leader and PM a mendacious, amoral, untrustworthy, disorganised, self-centred buffoon, with the attention-span of a gnat, would lead to chaotic and dysfunctional government, and wouldn't even be in the long-term interests of the Conservative Party?
They don't even have the excuse that they mistakenly projected their hopes on to a blank slate. This slate was already very well-scribbled over; there can't have been a single member of the party who wasn't perfectly aware by 2019 that Boris was totally unsuited to high office.
If it was not for Boris the Tories would not have a majority of 80, Brexit would still not have got done and Corbyn would still be leader of the Labour Party
In turn:
- Yes - No - I doubt it, but even if it were the case, so what?
In any case you've ignored the point. Yes, it might have been in the very short-term interests of the party to choose this amoral buffoon, but you didn't have be a superforecaster to figure out that it would be a disaster for both the country and the party in the medium term.
If Hunt had succeeded May as Tory leader then Farage would have stood BXP candidates in all Tory held seats. It is unlikely he would have won as many Redwall seats as Boris did nor enough to make up for Tory seats in the South lost to the LDs as the BXP took Tory votes.
Hence we would still be likely in groundhog day a la 2017, Hunt PM in office but not in power, with most seats but no majority, still unable to get his Deal through the Commons and Corbyn still Leader of the Opposition.
(I saw the Soup Dragon yesterday, so I have some Moon Rabbit soup for lunch today. Complete with the green string they used to trap it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBRyP_I0OOA)
Oh wow. That’s the stuff. Magical. 🥰
Bllllllllllllllllluh (Translated: without packing out Ukrainian with NATO troops, looks like the West have agree to let Putin invade without a fight)
Smokey Joe does seem to be being a little dim. 'No, we won't send our military in', essentially. I thought the idea was to leave them wondering.
Though the forces of Ukraine are a lot bigger and a lot better than they were before. It would be interesting if the Russkies tried and were sent back in underpants and flip-flops.
“Devastating surge of #COVID19 emerging in France 🇫🇷, where cases are near/at record highs. Cases also surging much faster & steeper than previous waves—especially in young children age 6-10. Similar spikes in other countries. May our children forgive us. HT @nicolasberrod”
Some younger people will end up buying nicotine from traders whose other products include cannabis, heroin and cocaine, instead of buying from places who also sell chocolate, alcohol and tea.
If Hunt had succeeded May as Tory leader then Farage would have stood BXP candidates in all Tory held seats. It is unlikely he would have won as many Redwall seats as Boris did nor enough to make up for Tory seats in the South lost to the LDs as the BXP took Tory votes.
Hence we would still be likely in groundhog day a la 2017, Hunt PM in office but not in power, with most seats but no majority, still unable to get his Deal through the Commons and Corbyn still Leader of the Opposition.
You seriously underestimate Jeremy Hunt, and you're arguing that Farage would have successfully prevented Brexit. I very much doubt that; quite apart from anything else, Brexit was going to happen by the effluxion of time.
Who could possibly have predicted that the Conservatives choosing as leader and PM a mendacious, amoral, untrustworthy, disorganised, self-centred buffoon, with the attention-span of a gnat, would lead to chaotic and dysfunctional government, and wouldn't even be in the long-term interests of the Conservative Party?
They don't even have the excuse that they mistakenly projected their hopes on to a blank slate. This slate was already very well-scribbled over; there can't have been a single member of the party who wasn't perfectly aware by 2019 that Boris was totally unsuited to high office.
If it was not for Boris the Tories would not have a majority of 80, Brexit would still not have got done and Corbyn would still be leader of the Labour Party
In turn:
- Yes - No - I doubt it, but even if it were the case, so what?
In any case you've ignored the point. Yes, it might have been in the very short-term interests of the party to choose this amoral buffoon, but you didn't have be a superforecaster to figure out that it would be a disaster for both the country and the party in the medium term.
Many moons ago (I was looking for the post but gave up, meanwhile @Philip_Thompson can look for a header from over 10 years ago and find it in moments) I wrote that Boris would be found out but that I had no idea how or when but he would be.
This was no great or searing insight but was a statement of the bleedin' obvious.
And lo if we're not there then we are pretty close to it.
"Shopping cart isn't Heineken, he was/is UNPOPULAR. Our strategy & message won 2019, not a mythical Heineken quality which does not exist if u look at the data. b/ 'Carry on'. There's nothing TO carry on, there's no plan no team no grip no clue no message no nuthin"
(I saw the Soup Dragon yesterday, so I have some Moon Rabbit soup for lunch today. Complete with the green string they used to trap it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBRyP_I0OOA)
Oh wow. That’s the stuff. Magical. 🥰
Bllllllllllllllllluh (Translated: without packing out Ukrainian with NATO troops, looks like the West have agree to let Putin invade without a fight)
Smokey Joe does seem to be being a little dim. 'No, we won't send our military in', essentially. I thought the idea was to leave them wondering.
Though the forces of Ukraine are a lot bigger and a lot better than they were before. It would be interesting if the Russkies tried and were sent back in underpants and flip-flops.
That’s seriously worrying.
If the Russkis go over the border, threatening to take Ukraine and leave a massive border between Russia and NATO, how are the NATO countries supposed to respond to Ukraine’s cry for help?
Grow a pair, Sleepy Joe. Tell them they can expect to be bombed back to Moscow.
Can I speak out in support of @Philip_Thompson for a minute. I am hardly his biggest fan and I'm sure its mutual. He is always happy to repeatedly double down with his positions - so often from a place of having minimal experience / knowledge. I assume he would be an amazing poker player with that level of bluffing.
I assume he has been put in at least time out for going all in on misquoting OGH to win a battle with @DougSeal over something irrelevant. He loves his strawmen argument and YES OR NO ultimatums. But despite me finding his "people die so what" argument to be awful he isn't abusive or stupid or dull.
“Devastating surge of #COVID19 emerging in France 🇫🇷, where cases are near/at record highs. Cases also surging much faster & steeper than previous waves—especially in young children age 6-10. Similar spikes in other countries. May our children forgive us. HT @nicolasberrod”
The flingle-dingle-dongle is overdoing it for now. Their levels of hospital patients are about 2/3 lower in France than eg in Germany.
trend...
France has a trend of switchbacks.
France has been produced very strange figures throughout this pandemic, they have regularly had far less cases than the UK but many more people in hospital with Covid
Honestly Nick?!? Being a vocal fan of Franco, advocating armed invasion of Scotland and cheering police brutality against voting grannies is OK with a former Labour MP? I thought better of you and your party.
I'm in favour of freedom of speech, so long as the opinions expressed are legal. If they're expressed politely, as HYUFD does, so much the better (I don't think I've heard him on the subject of brutality to grannies). As you'd expect, I disagree with almost everything he says (except his judgement on polls which is often quite sharp), but I like that he's willing to say what he thinks. None of us on PB should feel cowed.
What is an "illegal opinion"? It can't mean an opinion that would be illegal to put into effect - like that face coverings should always be discretionary or that the urban speed limit should be 35 mph. Which are the opinions that it is against the law to hold? This is a genuine question.
Anything Rod Liddle says at Durham Students’ Union, or Dave Chappelle on stage at a comedy club?
I don't think everything Rod Liddle said at Durham South College was illegal, however it does seem close to equality Act.
Durham is actually interesting as it seems to be two different sets of people with different arguments. The Free Speech are going - it's great how dare Mr Luckhurst be attacked while Durham University is going HOW many parts of his employment contract did he break and can we fix it before more students remove Durham as their first choice.
It very sad, that university authorities now appear to have a problem with inviting speakers who challenge the viewpoint of some of the students.
Isn’t having your horizons opened, and your views challenged, supposed to be the whole point of university?
Again you are missing the context which is both Mr Luckhurst's fault and will be his downfall.
Mr Liddle was invited to a formal as the speaker without revealing to anyone who the guest was (because if he had few people would have attended). Now the formal was in South College so the College Principal (Mr Luckhurst) basically invited his mate to insult all the students he has a pastoral care responsibility for in his role as College Principal.
It's also worth adding that there is no right of response or even right to exit the room (even to go to the toilet) and doing so could be subject to disciplinary measures up to expulsion from Durham.
So that's the first problem Durham University has to deal with. The second one is that it's now also been made into a Free Speech political football to try and project Mr Luckhurst who seems to breached numerous parts of his employment contract.
And from what I gather it's not doing recruitment any good - UCAS forms are in and this is the exact time students finalise their choices.
The problem there, is rules that say one can be disciplined for leaving the room at an event.
Students need to spend a lot more time listing to opinions with which they disagree, because that’s what will happen when they enter the real world.
Which is what the Free Speech people are trying to argue when Mr Luckhurst's problem is that he's basically broken whole sections of his employment contract while bringing his employer into disrupt.
The one thing Free Speech activists seem to forget is that while you have Free Speech on a personal level, chances are you've willingly signed other contracts that may impact what you can say or do - see @Casino_Royale keeping quiet about his old employer.
What does his employment contract say, no speakers to the right of Jeremy Corbyn? There’s clearly something missing from the story.
As College Principal he was Duty of care responsibility to the students who call South College their home for the years they are at Durham.
And you then just compare the speech to Durham University's Bullying policy and reflect upon that policy and Mr Luckhurst's position within South College.
I haven't seen any of the policies or the speeches, but I would be inclined to interpret "Duty of Care" to include exposing them to ideas they have a prejudice against to help them grow up.
The stuff by Ms Luckhurst seemed a touch marginal, perhaps.
Honestly Nick?!? Being a vocal fan of Franco, advocating armed invasion of Scotland and cheering police brutality against voting grannies is OK with a former Labour MP? I thought better of you and your party.
I'm in favour of freedom of speech, so long as the opinions expressed are legal. If they're expressed politely, as HYUFD does, so much the better (I don't think I've heard him on the subject of brutality to grannies). As you'd expect, I disagree with almost everything he says (except his judgement on polls which is often quite sharp), but I like that he's willing to say what he thinks. None of us on PB should feel cowed.
What is an "illegal opinion"? It can't mean an opinion that would be illegal to put into effect - like that face coverings should always be discretionary or that the urban speed limit should be 35 mph. Which are the opinions that it is against the law to hold? This is a genuine question.
Anything Rod Liddle says at Durham Students’ Union, or Dave Chappelle on stage at a comedy club?
I don't think everything Rod Liddle said at Durham South College was illegal, however it does seem close to equality Act.
Durham is actually interesting as it seems to be two different sets of people with different arguments. The Free Speech are going - it's great how dare Mr Luckhurst be attacked while Durham University is going HOW many parts of his employment contract did he break and can we fix it before more students remove Durham as their first choice.
It very sad, that university authorities now appear to have a problem with inviting speakers who challenge the viewpoint of some of the students.
Isn’t having your horizons opened, and your views challenged, supposed to be the whole point of university?
Again you are missing the context which is both Mr Luckhurst's fault and will be his downfall.
Mr Liddle was invited to a formal as the speaker without revealing to anyone who the guest was (because if he had few people would have attended). Now the formal was in South College so the College Principal (Mr Luckhurst) basically invited his mate to insult all the students he has a pastoral care responsibility for in his role as College Principal.
It's also worth adding that there is no right of response or even right to exit the room (even to go to the toilet) and doing so could be subject to disciplinary measures up to expulsion from Durham.
So that's the first problem Durham University has to deal with. The second one is that it's now also been made into a Free Speech political football to try and project Mr Luckhurst who seems to breached numerous parts of his employment contract.
And from what I gather it's not doing recruitment any good - UCAS forms are in and this is the exact time students finalise their choices.
The problem there, is rules that say one can be disciplined for leaving the room at an event.
Students need to spend a lot more time listing to opinions with which they disagree, because that’s what will happen when they enter the real world.
Which is what the Free Speech people are trying to argue when Mr Luckhurst's problem is that he's basically broken whole sections of his employment contract while bringing his employer into disrupt.
The one thing Free Speech activists seem to forget is that while you have Free Speech on a personal level, chances are you've willingly signed other contracts that may impact what you can say or do - see @Casino_Royale keeping quiet about his old employer.
What does his employment contract say, no speakers to the right of Jeremy Corbyn? There’s clearly something missing from the story.
As College Principal he was Duty of care responsibility to the students who call South College their home for the years they are at Durham.
And you then just compare the speech to Durham University's Bullying policy and reflect upon that policy and Mr Luckhurst's position within South College.
I haven't seen any of the policies, but I would be inclined to interpret "Duty of Care" to include exposing them to ideas they have a prejudice against to help them grow up.
Yes. To help them grow up so as to be able to take over the estate later in life.
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In fact we're there right now with delta per the last update.
Yesterday's PMQs was the last this year
A scandal that would have been bad (but probably not terminal, given his underlying popularity at the time) in May has been made worse (by all the lies) and pushed to a time when everyone is hacked off with him.
This is the sort of thing that some people have been going on about for ages- BJPM was bound to end in tears. And whilst this may not finish him off, things like this will keep happening and one of them will. And they will keep happening, because of the type of man Boris is.
He could be there for ten years, sure. But he could be out in ten days.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-59589775
https://twitter.com/wearetherace/status/1468885991108796420
And Raikkonen has a special message added to his car by the team:
https://twitter.com/decalspotters/status/1468892149257224196
So it can’t be that. He must actually mean 1m new infections a day
For the first time - with Lord Geidt's and subsequent revelations it seems that BoJo could really be in trouble.
My Boris Out bets expired in Sep 2021 but I have just topped up to end-Dec.
I’ve a lot of time for ex mp palmer, but on this he is just plain wrong.
If it was a million cases a day, we might as well forget everything, 100ks will be dead in days. And we would be locking down now.
More power to your elbow.
Take a bung for nut-nut's palace wallpaper
Find out you aren't allowed to take such bungs
Get the standards commissioner and her entire function abolished
Have MPs become judge and jury
Threaten their Build Back Better money
Win!
Can you see the flaw in the plan?
With Katherine Stone still in place. And it now egregiously clear that he has broken the ministerial code multiple times both on the original offence and the cover-up of the original offence. And with KS now openly saying she is going after the truth. Boris is fucked.
It doesn't matter what MPs think. After the Owen Paterson catastrofuck they will have no choice but to approve her findings and sanction.
Bllllllllllllllllluh (Translated: without packing out Ukrainian with NATO troops, looks like the West have agree to let Putin invade without a fight)
Or something.
That's if the Press can find him.
Dominic Raab's not going to have much of a time, though!
Princess Pagers was railing against vaxports and calling for travel bans to be rescinded the other day IIRC.
Not sure what's got into her recently.
https://twitter.com/janinekimpel/status/1468700628922904591?s=21
Pretty much same as before. Try and get double jabbed, boostered THEN infected, and you’re good
A weather vane moves with the wind.
I was pretty close in my forecast to the result in Old Bexley and Sidcup too
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/a-request-to-verstappen-before-his-f1-title-showdown-with-hamilton/6864023/
If people still think my view on Scotland independence is still patronising and idiotic, I apologise I can’t explain my concern about Scotland turning to Nationalism for answers any more politely. If the real enemy is Globalisation and foreign capital, turning to Nationalism for the way forward is a fools gold in my opinion.
use me as example. My Dad owns land and businesses not at all local to London. He is buying property in London (me and my friend live in this lovely flat for free) but is this not pricing proper London geezers, moody and all that out of the property ladder here? A capital wealth thing from somewhere else changing the way of life of people thst doesn’t have the wealth. That’s the issue Scottish Nationalism needs to treat as enemy.
Based on wealth is power and power is wealth (unless you disagree with this maxim) I believe it is a legitimate question to ask the SNP leadership and it’s party members and supporters - and a very good debate for them to be asking each other too is it not - in an independent Scotland, who owns Scotland? Who owns the land? Who owns the properties? Who owns the factories and all the other industries people work in?
To say you are rich because you are free, but actually having financial clout in this world would be a bonus as well - I’m not sure I would define as a strong starting place for Independent Scotland. But my main concern this position weakens over time, without bridges to your friends. Like me!
Other than this concern, I am right behind any push for a better place for Scottish common origin, ethnicity, and cultural identity in this world and all that.
But turning to Nationalism to fight globalisation? I’m not convinced to be honest
I suspect the result will be very different because Tory voters won't bother and those wishing to protest will vote (and know who to vote for).
But if it has to happen, then Turn 6 please. No reason…
"The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) estimates that the number of infections are approximately 20 times higher than the number of confirmed cases, and so the current number of infections is probably closer to 10,000.
"UKHSA also estimate that at the current observed doubling rate of between two and a half and three days, by the end of this month, infections could exceed 1 million."
It can be interpreted different ways.
How it arose that among the chattering classes it had to be LD from 3rd and not Labour from 2nd place is still a bit of a mystery - and looks like a missed trick by SKS (unless to betting is totally wrong)
This is the only place on the internet where I have ever had civil and illuminating discussions with people I disagree with. There are lots of arguments too, but there is sometimes an opportunity to understand an opposing point of view in a way that doesn't happen elsewhere.
This never happens with you. It's as though you view posting on here as some form of political trench warfare, and your machine-gunning style of engagement makers it harder for any more interesting discussions to happen. That's why I say you're not polite. And worse you're boring.
I don't understand the hagiography that others are willing to write about you.
Tucker Carlson: Getting COVID “does feminize people. No one ever says that but it’s true”
https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1468704702275670019
(Farage trigger warning)
@johnredwood
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Today I am asking the Health Secretary to put in some more hospital beds so we have more NHS capacity. That would be a good use of the extra money.
Rachel Clarke
@doctor_oxford
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1h
What a good idea. We can ask the NHS unicorns to staff them
There was no party on Fri 27/11. Red herring. A staff member left their job. Walked to press office to say bye, PM bumbled in & started babbling, everyone embarrassed, dispersed. Focus shd be actual party in PM's flat Fri 13/11 reported AT THE TIME but ignored by lobby!
He's talking about this, which is reported without any mention of the lockdown rules being broken
https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/15/carrie-symonds-held-downing-street-victory-party-after-cummings-left-13596771/
They don't even have the excuse that they mistakenly projected their hopes on to a blank slate. This slate was already very well-scribbled over; there can't have been a single member of the party who wasn't perfectly aware by 2019 that Boris was totally unsuited to high office.
Patel is dragging England into the abyss.
* I believe he is one of those people who were smart as a kid, had a good way with words but peaked by time 18-19. Then spend the rest of their lives thinking they are still much smarter than everybody else when they aren't, nor can they get away with doing their homework 5 mins before the bell any longer.
https://twitter.com/wearetherace/status/1468885991108796420
They need to say over and over and over again in advance, the incident that takes rival out the race will be scrutinised, if judged intent to do that we will dock the required number of points title is not won
And I suspect that both my Essex neighbour and those 'critical' of him sometimes suffer from that difficulty.
- Yes
- No
- I doubt it, but even if it were the case, so what?
In any case you've ignored the point. Yes, it might have been in the very short-term interests of the party to choose this amoral buffoon, but you didn't have be a superforecaster to figure out that it would be a disaster for both the country and the party in the medium term.
Imagine how ordinary people are reacting to this.
https://twitter.com/BrunoTertrais/status/1468912837934391302
He can deflect and obfuscate things like Afghanistan though the stench from them spices up the way that all of these are received. He can try and ignore dodgy PPE contracts. He can try to insist "I wasn't there" for the parties.
But wallpapergate? He lied. To the independent arbiter investigating alleged breach of the ministerial code. He lied. To parliament after his earlier lies found him not to have breached the code. He tried to remove the standards commissioner so that not only will she now go after this with aplomb but they can do nothing but accept her findings.
When she reports, Boris will be caught in a web of lies about dodgy donations to spend an unfathomable amount of money decorating a flat that was used by the PM and his family and staff for repeated breaches of the law. And THAT sinks him. Because the PM has to obey the law. Even this one. And people will no longer be as dismissive as they would have been if this had broken earlier this year.
BTW great to see you posting a little more regularly
Why?
And Hamilton suffered no points deduction for Silverstone.
Hence we would still be likely in groundhog day a la 2017, Hunt PM in office but not in power, with most seats but no majority, still unable to get his Deal through the Commons and Corbyn still Leader of the Opposition.
There are being built in Newton Aycliffe and fitted out in Derby so there will be 550 lorries performing the task the railways should be doing.
Though the forces of Ukraine are a lot bigger and a lot better than they were before. It would be interesting if the Russkies tried and were sent back in underpants and flip-flops.
I don't think that will end well.
This was no great or searing insight but was a statement of the bleedin' obvious.
And lo if we're not there then we are pretty close to it.
"Shopping cart isn't Heineken, he was/is UNPOPULAR. Our strategy & message won 2019, not a mythical Heineken quality which does not exist if u look at the data. b/ 'Carry on'. There's nothing TO carry on, there's no plan no team no grip no clue no message no nuthin"
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1089980431/pineapple-pizza-combat-boots-pizza
If the Russkis go over the border, threatening to take Ukraine and leave a massive border between Russia and NATO, how are the NATO countries supposed to respond to Ukraine’s cry for help?
Grow a pair, Sleepy Joe. Tell them they can expect to be bombed back to Moscow.
I assume he has been put in at least time out for going all in on misquoting OGH to win a battle with @DougSeal over something irrelevant. He loves his strawmen argument and YES OR NO ultimatums. But despite me finding his "people die so what" argument to be awful he isn't abusive or stupid or dull.
We need him on this site.
The stuff by Ms Luckhurst seemed a touch marginal, perhaps.
From the press conference today:-
Norris and Leclerc in the press conference together:
Tom: "Lando...how are you going to beat this guy?"
Lando: "I can try brake testing him! It's only a 10 second penalty..."
https://mobile.twitter.com/autosport/status/1468897017736970248