I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
May is right. Thank goodness we have at least some backbenchers scrutinising the government.
Of the 336 known cases Javid says none are in hospital "as far as he knows". Goodness - he doesn't know? This is a vital piece of information. He should be all over this. If we have 336 cases and none are in hospital this should be headline news this morning.
I think that's being a little unfair. He won't have the latest up-to-the minute information, and the data source for the cases will be somewhat disconnected from hospitalisation data - someone will probably have to combine them.
And if he said: "No-one is in hospital," when someone was taken in six hours ago and he had not been told, he would get accused of lying.
Also 336 cases is a rather small subset - although as it's in a British context, probably more applicable than the SA context. It's also early days, and people don't just get Covid and get hospitalised. It's promising, and I hope it continues like this, but this sort of situation can change rapidly.
There are much more useful and important questions they should be asking: What are the profiles of the people who have Onicron? How do they compare with equivalents who have Delta at the same stage of the disease? How are the symptoms different? Is it spreading in the same ways? etc, etc.
May is right. Thank goodness we have at least some backbenchers scrutinising the government.
Of the 336 known cases Javid says none are in hospital "as far as he knows". Goodness - he doesn't know? This is a vital piece of information. He should be all over this. If we have 336 cases and none are in hospital this should be headline news this morning.
Within 2 weeks the borders will be open as they will realise it will be far better if Omicron takes over from Delta.
That's what the Swiss seemed to have twigged already with their removal of quarantine two days ago.
May is right. Thank goodness we have at least some backbenchers scrutinising the government.
Of the 336 known cases Javid says none are in hospital "as far as he knows". Goodness - he doesn't know? This is a vital piece of information. He should be all over this. If we have 336 cases and none are in hospital this should be headline news this morning.
It may be good news, and we all hope it is, or it may simply reflect the fact that it takes a week or two to end up in hospital. Let's see.
May is right. Thank goodness we have at least some backbenchers scrutinising the government.
Of the 336 known cases Javid says none are in hospital "as far as he knows". Goodness - he doesn't know? This is a vital piece of information. He should be all over this. If we have 336 cases and none are in hospital this should be headline news this morning.
Within 2 weeks the borders will be open as they will realise it will be far better if Omicron takes over from Delta.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, come back !" well into their 70's.
Morning all. Bit brighter today, although because chez Cole we've been a bit disorganised this morning. One noteworthy point in the story about the Afghan evacuation is that at one point .... Guardian quote 'Boris Johnson ordered an Afghan animal charity to be given priority for evacuation – “a direct trade-off between transporting Nowzad’s animals and evacuating British nationals and Afghan evacuees”. ' Evidence of the important role the present Mrs J has in affairs?
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
BCCI?
I didn't realise Indian Cricket was caught up in all this. 🤯
May is right. Thank goodness we have at least some backbenchers scrutinising the government.
Of the 336 known cases Javid says none are in hospital "as far as he knows". Goodness - he doesn't know? This is a vital piece of information. He should be all over this. If we have 336 cases and none are in hospital this should be headline news this morning.
Within 2 weeks the borders will be open as they will realise it will be far better if Omicron takes over from Delta.
But we don't know that today and even if it was the case it will take longer than that before the Government gets round to switching things back.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
What sort of person in their 40s or 50s doesn't feel creepy having sexual contact with someone that's 19 or 20? And that is even if they look that old. That girl in the picture with Prince Andrew is clearly a child.
I do worry if we're in danger of a kind of collective hypocrisy here. Relations with underage people are clearly unacceptable, and this particular case is not only about age, but also exploitation and coercion.
While many men might also not choose to act on it, for diverse moral or social reasons, when it comes to women of 20 or so, however, many men of all ages find them as attractive as they ever did.
I think if you're in your fifties and you are having sexual contact with someone who is 20, you have to be quite narcissistic (or an utterly selfish arsehole) if you don't ask yourself what is really going on. Is it possible that this is abusive? Unless you have made totally sure that it is not abusive, don't do it.
As mentioned below, there are some relationships even like this that work for both parties. In many cases a relationship like this might be abusive, but in some not. I do have a concern that we're moving to an era of stereotyped power relations on these sort of questions, in line with what's politically fashionable, and that can sometimes merge into a kind of authoritarianism.
The questions you ask are definitely valid for anyone in a relationship like this to ask themselves ; but that doesn't mean a relationship like this is necessarily inherently abusive. Human beings are far more complex than that.
I agree with you. And it feels like we are at a moment when we are collectively understanding how much abuse has been going on - let's not sweep it under the carpet
Absolutey. But let's also not simultaneously over-proscribe legitimate relationships, out of anxiety because we've seen the extent of abuse that really has gone on.
I wouldn't condemn anyone for being attracted to someone much younger, nor for having a relationship with a big age difference.
But I do think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. We collectively need to really wake up. Only this year I am hearing from people (mostly women) who were sexually abused as teenagers or younger in the seventies and eighties. Some of these people I have known for decades and I had no idea. Now I am hearing stuff because I am involved in a private group of people who have come to the point of wanting to reveal these secrets (which in itself is an interesting story but not for here), so it's not been made public. It's really shocking how widespread this stuff was. I'm hoping things have got better.
And it takes a lot of courage for people to talk about these things, so I'm a bit oversensitive to comments of the "older men have always been attracted to young women" type, which can sometimes be used to minimise what happened and then people can be re-traumatised if they finally have the courage to reveal something and then are not taken seriously. That is just what I am seeing with people that I know.
There is a very big difference, though, between abuse, and consensual relationships. What you're describing is terrible, and I agree that there's much abuse still to be uncovered. But I came in here because we seemed to move on from that to suggest relationships with a large age gap were always abusive, or always non-consensual.
I think is a dangerous over-reaction as a result of the social shock of everybody people have seen, and partly the modern tendency to simplify power relationships. I do also think that it's important to stress that non-abusive attraction between people of different ages has always been there, without that in any being carte blanche for abuse. To me abusive and coercive and consensual interactions are pretty different issues, and I think we should be very careful to allow people to live their lives, in that respect.
I’m not sure that you and Kamski are disagreeing ? I’ve sympathy with both your points, but I’m also not convinced that the line between such relationships being coercive or non coercive is quite as bright as you seem to imply.
In a certain way, this is where I agree with Kamski's point that as a starting-point people should ask *themselves* and examine themselves as to whether these kind of consenting relationships between adults are in any way abusive. What worries me is a situation where we pre-judge these relationships too simplistically at a social level, and where stereotypes of power, that are becoming somewhat of an issue in our society, get in the way of understanding what is often the enormous complexity of human relationships.
I do agree with that. But I also agree with Nigelb that there isn't always such a clear line. I've heard recently from a woman who when she was 16 "fell in love" with a man in his thirties. He flattered her, bought her things. They had sex a handful of times, then he moved on to the next conquest. Now, some decades later, she says he groomed her and abused her and used her. But was it consensual? Probably in a legal sense. Was it abusive? I think so. I also heard from a woman who was sexually abused by a man when she was 6 years old - clearly not consensual and a serious crime. But also - this was the same woman. The man who had sex with her when she was 16 didn't know about the earlier abuse, but for her it was a continuation or repetition in some sense of the earlier abuse. This is why it isn't enough for people to just examine *themselves* if they are going to enter into a sexual thing with someone very much younger.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about this. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid Boy - come over here ! My girl !" well into their 70's.
Again, look at what you just wrote: “their 70s”. This is a generational thing. It is profoundly unlikely that future generations will persist with such linguistic patterns. Women are on the up, and their increasing power and influence will not only be felt in the workplace and public arena, but also in domestic life.
R4 going big on the Foreign Office failure over the Afghanistan bungled evacuation and Raab in particular.
Listening to the account, it sounds like a someone who only saw a small part of the process from a junior level.
We need the overall report, and to filter out anything ignoring the context.
Reports from “the coal face” can be as useful as those from a more senior level who have more to protect - I doubt Raab will be enjoying his round of media interviews this morning in his new role when asked about this. The example of MOD officials having to be shadowed by FCDO people because their security passes weren’t recognised doesn’t sound like “joined up government”.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
BCCI?
I didn't realise Indian Cricket was caught up in all this. 🤯
BCCI was a dodgy Indian bank that was closed down in July 1991 - I remember it as I wandered in after lunch on a Friday after meeting old (gap year) colleagues for lunch after coming back for the summer from Uni. It got me a summer job doing various IT bits ...
I've probably been her harshest critic on this site down the years, but I have to say I agreed with every word I saw Theresa May say on the news last night. She put it very well and very eloquently so credit where credit is due. 👍
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
BCCI?
I didn't realise Indian Cricket was caught up in all this. 🤯
BCCI was a dodgy Indian bank that was closed down in July 1991 - I remember it as I wandered in after lunch on a Friday after meeting old colleagues for lunch after coming back for the summer. It got me a summer job doing various IT bits ...
I know (well not the bit about you having worked related to it, that was interesting), I was joking.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
Over here, for most people, females are either girls or ladies. I intensely dislike ladies and don't use it. In the 70s when I was a lad I can remember being corrected by my mother for referring to someone as a woman instead of lady! Not sure where this comes from but suspect it isn't good. Ladies is qualifying I suspect (i.e. she's no lady!).
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about this. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid Boy - come over here ! My girl !" well into their 70's.
Again, look at what you just wrote: “their 70s”. This is a generational thing. It is profoundly unlikely that future generations will persist with such linguistic patterns. Women are on the up, and their increasing power and influence will not only be felt in the workplace and public arena, but also in domestic life.
Agreed, but that doesn't mean that couple might not necessarily carry on calling each other boy and girl well into advanced old age, as affectionate rather than diminutive. That seems to be more about memory and familiarity to me.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
BCCI?
I didn't realise Indian Cricket was caught up in all this. 🤯
BCCI was a dodgy Indian bank that was closed down in July 1991 - I remember it as I wandered in after lunch on a Friday after meeting old colleagues for lunch after coming back for the summer. It got me a summer job doing various IT bits ...
I know (well not the bit about you having worked related to it, that was interesting), I was joking.
Jobs you don't want to do - tape changing in a controlled environment when the ex-employees are still there.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
Over here, for most people, females are either girls or ladies. I intensely dislike ladies and don't use it. In the 70s when I was a lad I can remember being corrected by my mother for referring to someone as a woman instead of lady! Not sure where this comes from but suspect it isn't good. Ladies is qualifying I suspect (i.e. she's no lady!).
New patterns of language will develop, and I can guarantee you that the parameters will be set by women themselves.
(“Females”!?! You wouldn’t survive 5 minutes in Sweden. 😆)
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
Equally when I walk into the pub I may say 'Evening (or afternoon or whenever) gentlemen!" Despite the fact that some .......
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
Equally when I walk into the pub I may say 'Evening (or afternoon or whenever) gentlemen!" Despite the fact that some .......
Hope it’s not “Morning gentlemen!” For the sake of your liver…
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
Over here, for most people, females are either girls or ladies. I intensely dislike ladies and don't use it. In the 70s when I was a lad I can remember being corrected by my mother for referring to someone as a woman instead of lady! Not sure where this comes from but suspect it isn't good. Ladies is qualifying I suspect (i.e. she's no lady!).
New patterns of language will develop, and I can guarantee you that the parameters will be set by women themselves.
(“Females”!?! You wouldn’t survive 5 minutes in Sweden. 😆)
Sorry my post wasn't clear! I don't refer to women as females! Either girl or woman. I have an urge whenever I see Gentlemen and Ladies (or even worse Men and Ladies) on loo doors to cross them out and re-write as Men and Women.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
What sort of person in their 40s or 50s doesn't feel creepy having sexual contact with someone that's 19 or 20? And that is even if they look that old. That girl in the picture with Prince Andrew is clearly a child.
I do worry if we're in danger of a kind of collective hypocrisy here. Relations with underage people are clearly unacceptable, and this particular case is not only about age, but also exploitation and coercion.
While many men might also not choose to act on it, for diverse moral or social reasons, when it comes to women of 20 or so, however, many men of all ages find them as attractive as they ever did.
I think if you're in your fifties and you are having sexual contact with someone who is 20, you have to be quite narcissistic (or an utterly selfish arsehole) if you don't ask yourself what is really going on. Is it possible that this is abusive? Unless you have made totally sure that it is not abusive, don't do it.
As mentioned below, there are some relationships even like this that work for both parties. In many cases a relationship like this might be abusive, but in some not. I do have a concern that we're moving to an era of stereotyped power relations on these sort of questions, in line with what's politically fashionable, and that can sometimes merge into a kind of authoritarianism.
The questions you ask are definitely valid for anyone in a relationship like this to ask themselves ; but that doesn't mean a relationship like this is necessarily inherently abusive. Human beings are far more complex than that.
I agree with you. And it feels like we are at a moment when we are collectively understanding how much abuse has been going on - let's not sweep it under the carpet
Absolutey. But let's also not simultaneously over-proscribe legitimate relationships, out of anxiety because we've seen the extent of abuse that really has gone on.
I wouldn't condemn anyone for being attracted to someone much younger, nor for having a relationship with a big age difference.
But I do think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg. We collectively need to really wake up. Only this year I am hearing from people (mostly women) who were sexually abused as teenagers or younger in the seventies and eighties. Some of these people I have known for decades and I had no idea. Now I am hearing stuff because I am involved in a private group of people who have come to the point of wanting to reveal these secrets (which in itself is an interesting story but not for here), so it's not been made public. It's really shocking how widespread this stuff was. I'm hoping things have got better.
And it takes a lot of courage for people to talk about these things, so I'm a bit oversensitive to comments of the "older men have always been attracted to young women" type, which can sometimes be used to minimise what happened and then people can be re-traumatised if they finally have the courage to reveal something and then are not taken seriously. That is just what I am seeing with people that I know.
There is a very big difference, though, between abuse, and consensual relationships. What you're describing is terrible, and I agree that there's much abuse still to be uncovered. But I came in here because we seemed to move on from that to suggest relationships with a large age gap were always abusive, or always non-consensual.
I think is a dangerous over-reaction as a result of the social shock of everybody people have seen, and partly the modern tendency to simplify power relationships. I do also think that it's important to stress that non-abusive attraction between people of different ages has always been there, without that in any being carte blanche for abuse. To me abusive and coercive and consensual interactions are pretty different issues, and I think we should be very careful to allow people to live their lives, in that respect.
I’m not sure that you and Kamski are disagreeing ? I’ve sympathy with both your points, but I’m also not convinced that the line between such relationships being coercive or non coercive is quite as bright as you seem to imply.
In a certain way, this is where I agree with Kamski's point that as a starting-point people should ask *themselves* and examine themselves as to whether these kind of consenting relationships between adults are in any way abusive. What worries me is a situation where we pre-judge these relationships too simplistically at a social level, and where stereotypes of power, that are becoming somewhat of an issue in our society, get in the way of understanding what is often the enormous complexity of human relationships.
I do agree with that. But I also agree with Nigelb that there isn't always such a clear line. I've heard recently from a woman who when she was 16 "fell in love" with a man in his thirties. He flattered her, bought her things. They had sex a handful of times, then he moved on to the next conquest. Now, some decades later, she says he groomed her and abused her and used her. But was it consensual? Probably in a legal sense. Was it abusive? I think so. I also heard from a woman who was sexually abused by a man when she was 6 years old - clearly not consensual and a serious crime. But also - this was the same woman. The man who had sex with her when she was 16 didn't know about the earlier abuse, but for her it was a continuation or repetition in some sense of the earlier abuse. This is why it isn't enough for people to just examine *themselves* if they are going to enter into a sexual thing with someone very much younger.
Yes, but I think anyone properly examining themselves in a relationship would also examine the other party in that relationship, to start with. I personally would also have serious doubts about any relationship between a girl of 16 and a man of 30 to begin with. What I've been thinking of more, really, since the start of the discussion, was what people mentioned, of women from 19 -20 upwards with older men a decade, or decades, older.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
Equally when I walk into the pub I may say 'Evening (or afternoon or whenever) gentlemen!" Despite the fact that some .......
I nowadays use Folks - because it covers everyone and confuses any new Indians / Europeans on the call (everyone else knows I up my Britishness for entertainment value).
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
Absolutely! Mrs C has had her mind colonised and controlled by the Patriarchy for far too long...
You'd expect only about half a dozen hospitalisations from that number of infections with Delta. But typically that would take a week or two after a positive test. Given the growth rate, it may well be too soon to expect any of those people to have been hospitalised. Add to that the likelihood that a larger proportion of infections are likely to be in the vaccinated because of the immune escape capability, and that statement would not be significant in terms of the intrinsic severity of Omicron, even if Javid hadn't added the rider "as far as he is aware".
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
Equally when I walk into the pub I may say 'Evening (or afternoon or whenever) gentlemen!" Despite the fact that some .......
Hope it’s not “Morning gentlemen!” For the sake of your liver…
Now and again perhaps. But not again and again. As a somewhat 'earthy' rugby club type song, sung many years ago put it.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
Absolutely! Mrs C has had her mind colonised and controlled by the Patriarchy for far too long...
Took me a while initially, but ....... 60 years next year!
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
BCCI?
I didn't realise Indian Cricket was caught up in all this. 🤯
BCCI was a dodgy Indian bank that was closed down in July 1991 - I remember it as I wandered in after lunch on a Friday after meeting old colleagues for lunch after coming back for the summer. It got me a summer job doing various IT bits ...
I know (well not the bit about you having worked related to it, that was interesting), I was joking.
Jobs you don't want to do - tape changing in a controlled environment when the ex-employees are still there.
When you know that a lot of authorities are going to be looking through the servers and backups very closely indeed.
It is remarkable how soon Carlsen recognises some boards, and as for the Harry Potter game...
Chess - I think every chess player knows that a computer could and will beat him.
Go - I love the fact that we still have skin in the game.
New game - Someone needs to invent a game that AI's can't reliably win at.
Identifying pictures of zebra crossings, buses, mountains etc seems to distinguish us from robots. So it seems we might still be able to beat the computer when playing a version of "Snap".
I've probably been her harshest critic on this site down the years, but I have to say I agreed with every word I saw Theresa May say on the news last night. She put it very well and very eloquently so credit where credit is due. 👍
That is a huge, huge call.
I really, really thought I had claimed the crown of Theresa May's "harshest critic on this site"
May is right. Thank goodness we have at least some backbenchers scrutinising the government.
Of the 336 known cases Javid says none are in hospital "as far as he knows". Goodness - he doesn't know? This is a vital piece of information. He should be all over this. If we have 336 cases and none are in hospital this should be headline news this morning.
Within 2 weeks the borders will be open as they will realise it will be far better if Omicron takes over from Delta.
But we don't know that today and even if it was the case it will take longer than that before the Government gets round to switching things back.
I suspect the three week review of masks in shop will be significant - possibly in either direction.
Have just read the Neill / Arcuri spat on twitter.
Wow...
It certainly cheered me up. I don't care which of them goes down in flames. Perhaps both? It's fantastic sport either way.
I see what you mean, but the worry is that IF the accusation is true, there are some real victims out there. Whatever the facts, such serious criminal accusations *must* be investigated. Even if they were “in the past” (copyright Twat Raab).
It's a serious accusation?
His presence on a passenger manifest is proof of paedophilia according to Acuri....
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
BCCI?
I didn't realise Indian Cricket was caught up in all this. 🤯
BCCI was a dodgy Indian bank that was closed down in July 1991 - I remember it as I wandered in after lunch on a Friday after meeting old colleagues for lunch after coming back for the summer. It got me a summer job doing various IT bits ...
I know (well not the bit about you having worked related to it, that was interesting), I was joking.
Jobs you don't want to do - tape changing in a controlled environment when the ex-employees are still there.
When you know that a lot of authorities are going to be looking through the servers and backups very closely indeed.
The BBC has another comment to much the same effect as that by Francois Balloux this morning: It is too soon to assume Omicron is milder than Delta, the variant currently dominant in the UK, a scientist says. Dr Jeffrey Barrett, director of the Covid-19 genomics initiative at the Wellcome Sanger Institute, says he believes Omicron is now spreading faster than Delta and will take over as the UK's dominant variant "within a matter of weeks". Some experts have suggested Omicron may be less likely to cause serious disease than previous variants - but Dr Barret tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme it is too early to make this assumption. He adds that even if only a small proportion of people get seriously ill with Omicron, "a small f[r]action of a really big number can still cause problems". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/59559623
May is right. Thank goodness we have at least some backbenchers scrutinising the government.
Of the 336 known cases Javid says none are in hospital "as far as he knows". Goodness - he doesn't know? This is a vital piece of information. He should be all over this. If we have 336 cases and none are in hospital this should be headline news this morning.
Within 2 weeks the borders will be open as they will realise it will be far better if Omicron takes over from Delta.
But we don't know that today and even if it was the case it will take longer than that before the Government gets round to switching things back.
I suspect the three week review of masks in shop will be significant - possibly in either direction.
The contact isolation for O variant is the biggest hurdle to normal economic activity. My (very big) employer has been proper bullish throughout covid, overly so in fact. But it’s shutting the offices on the 13th to stop staff being caught by a pingdemic over Xmas.
Have just read the Neill / Arcuri spat on twitter.
Wow...
It certainly cheered me up. I don't care which of them goes down in flames. Perhaps both? It's fantastic sport either way.
I see what you mean, but the worry is that IF the accusation is true, there are some real victims out there. Whatever the facts, such serious criminal accusations *must* be investigated. Even if they were “in the past” (copyright Twat Raab).
It's a serious accusation?
His presence on a passenger manifest is proof of paedophilia according to Acuri....
I've probably been her harshest critic on this site down the years, but I have to say I agreed with every word I saw Theresa May say on the news last night. She put it very well and very eloquently so credit where credit is due. 👍
That is a huge, huge call.
I really, really thought I had claimed the crown of Theresa May's "harshest critic on this site"
Fair claim. But perhaps a little diluted by your evident strong disapproval of not a few other prominent politicians ?
Have just read the Neill / Arcuri spat on twitter.
Wow...
It certainly cheered me up. I don't care which of them goes down in flames. Perhaps both? It's fantastic sport either way.
I see what you mean, but the worry is that IF the accusation is true, there are some real victims out there. Whatever the facts, such serious criminal accusations *must* be investigated. Even if they were “in the past” (copyright Twat Raab).
It's a serious accusation?
His presence on a passenger manifest is proof of paedophilia according to Acuri....
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, come back !" well into their 70's.
My husband is from Hong Kong and the first time I called him boy (affectionately as in my darling boy) he wouldn't speak to me for ages. Turns out boy has too many bad memories if you grew up in colonial era Hong Kong.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
Over here, for most people, females are either girls or ladies. I intensely dislike ladies and don't use it. In the 70s when I was a lad I can remember being corrected by my mother for referring to someone as a woman instead of lady! Not sure where this comes from but suspect it isn't good. Ladies is qualifying I suspect (i.e. she's no lady!).
"ladies" is for toilets or after dinner speeches. "girls" is for female children. "women" is for women. I think that using "girls" as a term for adult women blurs the line between children and adults, which is unhelpful in a world of Epsteins. It also harks back to a time when women were infantilised and considered incapable of proper thought or equal rights. I'm not saying this to police anyone's speech, or ban anything, or make anyone feel bad for ingrained patterns of speech (it's not like I have never used it myself). I'm simply trying to understand the ideological underpinnings of the language we use and, in my case, use words that match my beliefs. I get it that other people don't think this kind of thing is important, and that is fine.
Have just read the Neill / Arcuri spat on twitter.
Wow...
It certainly cheered me up. I don't care which of them goes down in flames. Perhaps both? It's fantastic sport either way.
I see what you mean, but the worry is that IF the accusation is true, there are some real victims out there. Whatever the facts, such serious criminal accusations *must* be investigated. Even if they were “in the past” (copyright Twat Raab).
It's a serious accusation?
His presence on a passenger manifest is proof of paedophilia according to Acuri....
Neil’s problem is that he’s looked 75 for the last 40 years.
He’s 45 in that picture? Fucking hell.
I think - but I'm not sure - that the original photo in Private Eye was taking the piss. Sort of "how did he managed to pull her?" rather than alleging anything sinister?
She feels incredibly unsafe? Isn't she vaccinated? Bet she is. Mock outrage.
I wish they wouldn't do this. Hypocritically sanctimonious, I don't know what if any voters it's likely to swing, and just ends up making them look childish.
I've probably been her harshest critic on this site down the years, but I have to say I agreed with every word I saw Theresa May say on the news last night. She put it very well and very eloquently so credit where credit is due. 👍
Was there any dissent on the opposition benches in parliament yesterday? Any at all?
Have just read the Neill / Arcuri spat on twitter.
Wow...
It certainly cheered me up. I don't care which of them goes down in flames. Perhaps both? It's fantastic sport either way.
I see what you mean, but the worry is that IF the accusation is true, there are some real victims out there. Whatever the facts, such serious criminal accusations *must* be investigated. Even if they were “in the past” (copyright Twat Raab).
It's a serious accusation?
His presence on a passenger manifest is proof of paedophilia according to Acuri....
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
My wife's uni friends are referred to in the same way, by her (somewhat younger, but they're all mid-thirties now). I can imagine her referring to my uni friends as 'the lads', but that doesn't really happen as they're much more of a mix (closest group is two men and two women).
Having said that, my wife was not very impressed when, after my parents first met her when she was ~25, they told me that she was "a lovely girl" (and I told her). After our first child was born she commented that perhaps my parents would see her as a woman now.
As with all things, I think we need to consider what we say and react thoughtfully if we are challenged or told we're causing offence and change our language if the request to change seems reasonable. For an older person to refer to a younger adult as 'girl' or 'boy' can show a degree of condescension.
She feels incredibly unsafe? Isn't she vaccinated? Bet she is. Mock outrage.
I wish they wouldn't do this. Hypocritically sanctimonious, I don't know what if any voters it's likely to swing, and just ends up making them look childish.
It's politicking a pandemic. Been a big feature from the start.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
Absolutely! Mrs C has had her mind colonised and controlled by the Patriarchy for far too long...
Feeling a bit grim this morning. Swinney's comments on lat flows, concern over how harmful Omicron is on R4 etc.
I think we are being set up for another (pre-emptive, this time) winter lockdown. We were late with the boosters and the anti-vaxxers are going to overwhelm the NHS.
Two years in - I'd quite like to get on with life at some point soon.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
Absolutely! Mrs C has had her mind colonised and controlled by the Patriarchy for far too long...
Absolutely right. @OldKingCole you should have a word with your wife.
I previously thought he was one of the better ones in the current crop. Clearly I was mistaken.
A UK government spokesperson said more than 1,000 FCDO staff worked tirelessly to evacuate more than 15,000 people from Afghanistan within a fortnight....
Many of them WFH, apparently, and refusing overtime. "Tirelessly" seems to be the new meaningless government spin which covers all cases, along with the similar "round the clock".
Feeling a bit grim this morning. Swinney's comments on lat flows, concern over how harmful Omicron is on R4 etc.
I think we are being set up for another (pre-emptive, this time) winter lockdown. We were late with the boosters and the anti-vaxxers are going to overwhelm the NHS.
Two years in - I'd quite like to get on with life at some point soon.
No - it won't happen. Lockdown implies more financial support for one thing.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
Over here, for most people, females are either girls or ladies. I intensely dislike ladies and don't use it. In the 70s when I was a lad I can remember being corrected by my mother for referring to someone as a woman instead of lady! Not sure where this comes from but suspect it isn't good. Ladies is qualifying I suspect (i.e. she's no lady!).
"ladies" is for toilets or after dinner speeches. "girls" is for female children. "women" is for women. I think that using "girls" as a term for adult women blurs the line between children and adults, which is unhelpful in a world of Epsteins. It also harks back to a time when women were infantilised and considered incapable of proper thought or equal rights. I'm not saying this to police anyone's speech, or ban anything, or make anyone feel bad for ingrained patterns of speech (it's not like I have never used it myself). I'm simply trying to understand the ideological underpinnings of the language we use and, in my case, use words that match my beliefs. I get it that other people don't think this kind of thing is important, and that is fine.
I remember being firmly and witheringly told "we call ourselves women these days" when I used the word lady in my first ever geography tutorial as a bright eyed fresher. Have avoided the word ever since.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
Then, according to the strange minds of some, Mrs C is sexist - and playing a part in the problem of abuse by not corrected her speech to the approved terms don't you know.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
Absolutely! Mrs C has had her mind colonised and controlled by the Patriarchy for far too long...
I previously thought he was one of the better ones in the current crop. Clearly I was mistaken.
A UK government spokesperson said more than 1,000 FCDO staff worked tirelessly to evacuate more than 15,000 people from Afghanistan within a fortnight....
Many of them WFH, apparently, and refusing overtime. "Tirelessly" seems to be the new meaningless government spin which covers all cases, along with the similar "round the clock".
"Refusing overtime" - I think they will have TOIL/flexi at FCDO, so seems unlikely.
Have just read the Neill / Arcuri spat on twitter.
Wow...
It certainly cheered me up. I don't care which of them goes down in flames. Perhaps both? It's fantastic sport either way.
I see what you mean, but the worry is that IF the accusation is true, there are some real victims out there. Whatever the facts, such serious criminal accusations *must* be investigated. Even if they were “in the past” (copyright Twat Raab).
It's a serious accusation?
His presence on a passenger manifest is proof of paedophilia according to Acuri....
Neil’s problem is that he’s looked 75 for the last 40 years.
He’s 45 in that picture? Fucking hell.
I think - but I'm not sure - that the original photo in Private Eye was taking the piss. Sort of "how did he managed to pull her?" rather than alleging anything sinister?
Now you come to mention it, I've forgotten why Pamella Bordes was ever famous. Was there a politician involved?
I previously thought he was one of the better ones in the current crop. Clearly I was mistaken.
A UK government spokesperson said more than 1,000 FCDO staff worked tirelessly to evacuate more than 15,000 people from Afghanistan within a fortnight....
Many of them WFH, apparently, and refusing overtime. "Tirelessly" seems to be the new meaningless government spin which covers all cases, along with the similar "round the clock".
"Refusing overtime" - I think they will have TOIL/flexi at FCDO, so seems unlikely.
I was repeating what was reported this morning.
Though the Guardian has a more detailed, different account: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/07/whistleblower-on-uks-afghan-evacuation-main-accusations ...Despite the gravity of the situation, Marshall said, the default expectation remained that FCDO staff would continue to work normal hours, and only be asked to do extra shifts. This resulted in frequent personnel changes and “serious shortages of capacity”, Marshall said, blaming a “deliberate drive by the FCDO to prioritise ‘work-life balance’”. He concluded: “The FCDO’s approach has undermined organisational effectiveness.”...
She feels incredibly unsafe? Isn't she vaccinated? Bet she is. Mock outrage.
I wish they wouldn't do this. Hypocritically sanctimonious, I don't know what if any voters it's likely to swing, and just ends up making them look childish.
It's politicking a pandemic. Been a big feature from the start.
They should stick to the stuff that sticks/stinks. There's been plenty of that in the pandemic to go after: dodgy contracts, hypocrisy over lockdown rules, u-turns every few weeks. And acknowledge the good stuff: the early vaccine procurement and rollout, the opening up this summer, the furlough scheme.
Have just read the Neill / Arcuri spat on twitter.
Wow...
It certainly cheered me up. I don't care which of them goes down in flames. Perhaps both? It's fantastic sport either way.
I see what you mean, but the worry is that IF the accusation is true, there are some real victims out there. Whatever the facts, such serious criminal accusations *must* be investigated. Even if they were “in the past” (copyright Twat Raab).
It's a serious accusation?
His presence on a passenger manifest is proof of paedophilia according to Acuri....
Neil’s problem is that he’s looked 75 for the last 40 years.
He’s 45 in that picture? Fucking hell.
I think - but I'm not sure - that the original photo in Private Eye was taking the piss. Sort of "how did he managed to pull her?" rather than alleging anything sinister?
Now you come to mention it, I've forgotten why Pamella Bordes was ever famous. Was there a politician involved?
The woman in the photo isn't Pamella Bordes. It's the woman who was Neil's girlfriend at the time, an American make up artist who was only 9 years younger than him (according to Wikipedia and its sources).
I predicted on this website over a week ago that Omicron was less harmful than Delta and I’ve seen nothing yet to go back on that.
I think Omicron is what the world has been waiting for, it will kill off Delta and will be very very difficult to be replaced by any other variant as it is so transmissable. And the best thing it causes only a mild illness or none at all.
Pecresse seems to have momentum. I've just backed to be next French President. £53 at 6.8 on Betfair.
A wise bet I think. If she gets into the runoff then as a relatively safe pair of hands she'll be able to garner anti-Macron votes like the Lib Dems in a byelection.
I previously thought he was one of the better ones in the current crop. Clearly I was mistaken.
A UK government spokesperson said more than 1,000 FCDO staff worked tirelessly to evacuate more than 15,000 people from Afghanistan within a fortnight....
Many of them WFH, apparently, and refusing overtime. "Tirelessly" seems to be the new meaningless government spin which covers all cases, along with the similar "round the clock".
"Refusing overtime" - I think they will have TOIL/flexi at FCDO, so seems unlikely.
I was repeating what was reported this morning.
Though the Guardian has a more detailed, different account: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/07/whistleblower-on-uks-afghan-evacuation-main-accusations ...Despite the gravity of the situation, Marshall said, the default expectation remained that FCDO staff would continue to work normal hours, and only be asked to do extra shifts. This resulted in frequent personnel changes and “serious shortages of capacity”, Marshall said, blaming a “deliberate drive by the FCDO to prioritise ‘work-life balance’”. He concluded: “The FCDO’s approach has undermined organisational effectiveness.”...
Work-life balance is chilling - uk work, Afghan lives.
I predicted on this website over a week ago that Omicron was less harmful than Delta and I’ve seen nothing yet to go back on that.
I think Omicron is what the world has been waiting for, it will kill off Delta and will be very very difficult to be replaced by any other variant as it is so transmissable. And the best thing it cause only a mild illness or none at all.
If you are right then yes. Too early to say you are right though. Hopeful signs I agree.
I previously thought he was one of the better ones in the current crop. Clearly I was mistaken.
A UK government spokesperson said more than 1,000 FCDO staff worked tirelessly to evacuate more than 15,000 people from Afghanistan within a fortnight....
Many of them WFH, apparently, and refusing overtime. "Tirelessly" seems to be the new meaningless government spin which covers all cases, along with the similar "round the clock".
"Refusing overtime" - I think they will have TOIL/flexi at FCDO, so seems unlikely.
I was repeating what was reported this morning.
Though the Guardian has a more detailed, different account: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/07/whistleblower-on-uks-afghan-evacuation-main-accusations ...Despite the gravity of the situation, Marshall said, the default expectation remained that FCDO staff would continue to work normal hours, and only be asked to do extra shifts. This resulted in frequent personnel changes and “serious shortages of capacity”, Marshall said, blaming a “deliberate drive by the FCDO to prioritise ‘work-life balance’”. He concluded: “The FCDO’s approach has undermined organisational effectiveness.”...
The work life balance line sounds like an excuse, like blaming health and safety or political correctness.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
My wife's uni friends are referred to in the same way, by her (somewhat younger, but they're all mid-thirties now). I can imagine her referring to my uni friends as 'the lads', but that doesn't really happen as they're much more of a mix (closest group is two men and two women).
Having said that, my wife was not very impressed when, after my parents first met her when she was ~25, they told me that she was "a lovely girl" (and I told her). After our first child was born she commented that perhaps my parents would see her as a woman now.
As with all things, I think we need to consider what we say and react thoughtfully if we are challenged or told we're causing offence and change our language if the request to change seems reasonable. For an older person to refer to a younger adult as 'girl' or 'boy' can show a degree of condescension.
It's about context and manner, isn't it? When there was something in the news about a woman who felt excluded by her boss saying "Hello guys" in the morning, I apologised individually to my (largely female) team because I'd often said "Hi guys" in emails to them. Their responses ranged from who-cares to concern for me that I should be worrying about it. But if only one had been a woman perhaps it would have been different?
"Girls" is in my experience usually used by women about mates - "we're having a girls' night out", that sort of thing. Ultimately, I think it's fairly harmless unless it's part of a pattern of patronising behaviour, but probably best avoided in case someone feels differently.
I previously thought he was one of the better ones in the current crop. Clearly I was mistaken.
A UK government spokesperson said more than 1,000 FCDO staff worked tirelessly to evacuate more than 15,000 people from Afghanistan within a fortnight....
Many of them WFH, apparently, and refusing overtime. "Tirelessly" seems to be the new meaningless government spin which covers all cases, along with the similar "round the clock".
"Refusing overtime" - I think they will have TOIL/flexi at FCDO, so seems unlikely.
HMRC does - so FCDO will be no different.
What got me is the lack of a 24/7 helpdesk with Washington then treating the request as a spying attempt and not even doublechecking via the phone.
Have just read the Neill / Arcuri spat on twitter.
Wow...
It certainly cheered me up. I don't care which of them goes down in flames. Perhaps both? It's fantastic sport either way.
I see what you mean, but the worry is that IF the accusation is true, there are some real victims out there. Whatever the facts, such serious criminal accusations *must* be investigated. Even if they were “in the past” (copyright Twat Raab).
It's a serious accusation?
His presence on a passenger manifest is proof of paedophilia according to Acuri....
Neil’s problem is that he’s looked 75 for the last 40 years.
He’s 45 in that picture? Fucking hell.
I think - but I'm not sure - that the original photo in Private Eye was taking the piss. Sort of "how did he managed to pull her?" rather than alleging anything sinister?
Now you come to mention it, I've forgotten why Pamella Bordes was ever famous. Was there a politician involved?
Several politicians and journalists. She was a very, err, approachable and accessible young lady.
I predicted on this website over a week ago that Omicron was less harmful than Delta and I’ve seen nothing yet to go back on that.
I don't think we've yet seen any clinical data to give us a clear indication in either direction.
But it is worth remembering that the initial scientific view about the mutations present in Omicron was that some of them had the potential to make it more severe.
That may not happen in practice, but given our current state of ignorance there's no way we should be making a default assumption that it is milder, let alone welcoming Omicron with open arms.
Pecresse seems to have momentum. I've just backed to be next French President. £53 at 6.8 on Betfair.
A wise bet I think. If she gets into the runoff then as a relatively safe pair of hands she'll be able to garner anti-Macron votes like the Lib Dems in a byelection.
And we should pay attention to her if there's a non-negligible chance she is the next president. While the German chancellor is nominally the most powerful politician in Europe, the French president tends to be noisier, more culturally influential and more directly in either confrontation or cooperation with the British.
She comes across as quite an early-Thatcher or May type character. Serious, bourgeois, traditionalist, with the charisma still a work in progress.
I would hazard a guess she might be a bit more Anglophile (or at least less interested in picking fights) than Macron, while remaining resolutely pro-EU. Possibly the right person to help engineer a detente with a future less hostile UK government (either Sunak/Truss-led Tories or Keir-led Labour).
I predicted on this website over a week ago that Omicron was less harmful than Delta and I’ve seen nothing yet to go back on that.
I don't think we've yet seen any clinical data to give us a clear indication in either direction.
But it is worth remembering that the initial scientific view about the mutations present in Omicron was that some of them had the potential to make it more severe.
That may not happen in practice, but given our current state of ignorance there's no way we should be making a default assumption that it is milder, let alone welcoming Omicron with open arms.
It is too early to remove current restrictions, yes.
But I hope the government has the strength to relax them should my prediction be proven correct.
It is remarkable how soon Carlsen recognises some boards, and as for the Harry Potter game...
Chess - I think every chess player knows that a computer could and will beat him.
Go - I love the fact that we still have skin in the game.
New game - Someone needs to invent a game that AI's can't reliably win at.
Identifying pictures of zebra crossings, buses, mountains etc seems to distinguish us from robots. So it seems we might still be able to beat the computer when playing a version of "Snap".
Am I the only one to struggle with those? Is that really a bus, or a large taxi? Is that metal thing in the corner part of a lorry? It usually takes me a couple of goes to satisfy it. Likewise the straggly letters on a squiggly background. Why can't they ask something that we all know, like "Who was the LibDem candidate in last week's parish council by-election?"
It is remarkable how soon Carlsen recognises some boards, and as for the Harry Potter game...
Chess - I think every chess player knows that a computer could and will beat him.
Go - I love the fact that we still have skin in the game.
New game - Someone needs to invent a game that AI's can't reliably win at.
Identifying pictures of zebra crossings, buses, mountains etc seems to distinguish us from robots. So it seems we might still be able to beat the computer when playing a version of "Snap".
Am I the only one to struggle with those? Is that really a bus, or a large taxi? Is that metal thing in the corner part of a lorry? It usually takes me a couple of goes to satisfy it. Likewise the straggly letters on a squiggly background. Why can't they ask something that we all know, like "Who was the LibDem candidate in last week's parish council by-election?"
That’s because you’re actually a droid. Check your solar plexus, you should be able to locate the control panel.
I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory
If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind
What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary
In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?
Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)
FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would
That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.
He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?
it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.
Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet
Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze
In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls
So simple, yet so effective
There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
Money laundering.
Mossad
That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
Jeffrey Epstein sent $30m to Ghislaine Maxwell over an eight year period. That’s some pay rate. The value of her services to the operation must have been immense. There is no way UK intelligence services and law enforcement could not have been aware of the nature of the operation Prince Andrew was tangled up in. They must have “had a word” with the Royal Household, surely?! Did he choose to simply ignore them? His arrogance exceeds his idiocy.
Oh come on Stuart, who hasn't donated $30m (and a helicopter) to someone to procure under age girls?
”Underage girls” is perhaps a poor choice of words.
Many (probable most) people refer to women in their twenties as girls.
That’ll disappear as society get’s less sexist.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
I'm not sure about that. My parents frequently addressed each other like this - "Stupid boy, stop that ! My long-lost girl, you're back !" well into their 70's.
Mrs C, meets, every so often with friends from student days, 60 or so years ago, referring to them as 'the girls'. As do I, when asking her about them/.
My wife's uni friends are referred to in the same way, by her (somewhat younger, but they're all mid-thirties now). I can imagine her referring to my uni friends as 'the lads', but that doesn't really happen as they're much more of a mix (closest group is two men and two women).
Having said that, my wife was not very impressed when, after my parents first met her when she was ~25, they told me that she was "a lovely girl" (and I told her). After our first child was born she commented that perhaps my parents would see her as a woman now.
As with all things, I think we need to consider what we say and react thoughtfully if we are challenged or told we're causing offence and change our language if the request to change seems reasonable. For an older person to refer to a younger adult as 'girl' or 'boy' can show a degree of condescension.
It's about context and manner, isn't it? When there was something in the news about a woman who felt excluded by her boss saying "Hello guys" in the morning, I apologised individually to my (largely female) team because I'd often said "Hi guys" in emails to them. Their responses ranged from who-cares to concern for me that I should be worrying about it. But if only one had been a woman perhaps it would have been different?
"Girls" is in my experience usually used by women about mates - "we're having a girls' night out", that sort of thing. Ultimately, I think it's fairly harmless unless it's part of a pattern of patronising behaviour, but probably best avoided in case someone feels differently.
Yep. 'Guys' is an interesting one. In my generation and below I don't think it's particularly gendered as a term of address. My female friends are just as likely to address a mixed group as 'guys', as in 'right, guys, let's...' as I am.
I predicted on this website over a week ago that Omicron was less harmful than Delta and I’ve seen nothing yet to go back on that.
I don't think we've yet seen any clinical data to give us a clear indication in either direction.
But it is worth remembering that the initial scientific view about the mutations present in Omicron was that some of them had the potential to make it more severe.
That may not happen in practice, but given our current state of ignorance there's no way we should be making a default assumption that it is milder, let alone welcoming Omicron with open arms.
It is too early to remove current restrictions, yes.
But I hope the government has the strength to relax them should my prediction be proven correct.
If hospitalisations and deaths are falling, then the very limited restrictions will probably be removed. If hospitalisations and deaths are rising, then there will be an increasing probability of more restrictions.
For a company like Inrix, cars are revenue generating to a much greater extent than bikes. The analytics involved in the motoring setor that flow into insurance, IoT applications (car, signals, traffic alerts), parking, charging, and so on make it very easy for an anti-bike bias to arrive fairly organically. Worth remembering the source of the study when assessing its reliability.
I've probably been her harshest critic on this site down the years, but I have to say I agreed with every word I saw Theresa May say on the news last night. She put it very well and very eloquently so credit where credit is due. 👍
That is a huge, huge call.
I really, really thought I had claimed the crown of Theresa May's "harshest critic on this site"
Do you get to claim to be someone's harshest critic if you're an equal opportunity critic of all though?
It is remarkable how soon Carlsen recognises some boards, and as for the Harry Potter game...
Chess - I think every chess player knows that a computer could and will beat him.
Go - I love the fact that we still have skin in the game.
New game - Someone needs to invent a game that AI's can't reliably win at.
Identifying pictures of zebra crossings, buses, mountains etc seems to distinguish us from robots. So it seems we might still be able to beat the computer when playing a version of "Snap".
Am I the only one to struggle with those? Is that really a bus, or a large taxi? Is that metal thing in the corner part of a lorry? It usually takes me a couple of goes to satisfy it. Likewise the straggly letters on a squiggly background. Why can't they ask something that we all know, like "Who was the LibDem candidate in last week's parish council by-election?"
That’s because you’re actually a droid. Check your solar plexus, you should be able to locate the control panel.
I thought the controls were administered via vaccine nowadays?
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And if he said: "No-one is in hospital," when someone was taken in six hours ago and he had not been told, he would get accused of lying.
Also 336 cases is a rather small subset - although as it's in a British context, probably more applicable than the SA context. It's also early days, and people don't just get Covid and get hospitalised. It's promising, and I hope it continues like this, but this sort of situation can change rapidly.
There are much more useful and important questions they should be asking:
What are the profiles of the people who have Onicron? How do they compare with equivalents who have Delta at the same stage of the disease? How are the symptoms different? Is it spreading in the same ways? etc, etc.
It doesn’t work in Sweden, where society is much more equal. It would be impossible to refer to women in their twenties as “flickor”. It just sounds preposterous in the Swedish language: people would genuinely consider you to be not right in the head.
One noteworthy point in the story about the Afghan evacuation is that at one point .... Guardian quote 'Boris Johnson ordered an Afghan animal charity to be given priority for evacuation – “a direct trade-off between transporting Nowzad’s animals and evacuating British nationals and Afghan evacuees”. '
Evidence of the important role the present Mrs J has in affairs?
I didn't realise Indian Cricket was caught up in all this. 🤯
As do I, when asking her about them/.
Hope she doesn't say "underage girls"! Bah!
(“Females”!?! You wouldn’t survive 5 minutes in Sweden. 😆)
Despite the fact that some .......
As a somewhat 'earthy' rugby club type song, sung many years ago put it.
60 years next year!
I really, really thought I had claimed the crown of Theresa May's "harshest critic on this site"
It is too soon to assume Omicron is milder than Delta, the variant currently dominant in the UK, a scientist says.
Dr Jeffrey Barrett, director of the Covid-19 genomics initiative at the Wellcome Sanger Institute, says he believes Omicron is now spreading faster than Delta and will take over as the UK's dominant variant "within a matter of weeks".
Some experts have suggested Omicron may be less likely to cause serious disease than previous variants - but Dr Barret tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme it is too early to make this assumption.
He adds that even if only a small proportion of people get seriously ill with Omicron, "a small f[r]action of a really big number can still cause problems".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/59559623
But perhaps a little diluted by your evident strong disapproval of not a few other prominent politicians ?
I imagine he must by now be quite sick of telling the story, amusing as it is to read the tenuous excuses Hislop’s rag uses to keep the joke running.
Macron 25%
Pecresse 17%
Le Pen 17%
Zemmour 13%
Melenchon 9%
Hidalgo 5%
https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1468001943066927106?s=19
I'm not saying this to police anyone's speech, or ban anything, or make anyone feel bad for ingrained patterns of speech (it's not like I have never used it myself). I'm simply trying to understand the ideological underpinnings of the language we use and, in my case, use words that match my beliefs. I get it that other people don't think this kind of thing is important, and that is fine.
I previously thought he was one of the better ones in the current crop. Clearly I was mistaken.
Having said that, my wife was not very impressed when, after my parents first met her when she was ~25, they told me that she was "a lovely girl" (and I told her). After our first child was born she commented that perhaps my parents would see her as a woman now.
As with all things, I think we need to consider what we say and react thoughtfully if we are challenged or told we're causing offence and change our language if the request to change seems reasonable. For an older person to refer to a younger adult as 'girl' or 'boy' can show a degree of condescension.
I think we are being set up for another (pre-emptive, this time) winter lockdown. We were late with the boosters and the anti-vaxxers are going to overwhelm the NHS.
Two years in - I'd quite like to get on with life at some point soon.
Let us know how you get on.
Having said that, let's hope that hunch was correct...
Many of them WFH, apparently, and refusing overtime.
"Tirelessly" seems to be the new meaningless government spin which covers all cases, along with the similar "round the clock".
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1468134076716568577?s=21
Though the Guardian has a more detailed, different account:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/07/whistleblower-on-uks-afghan-evacuation-main-accusations
...Despite the gravity of the situation, Marshall said, the default expectation remained that FCDO staff would continue to work normal hours, and only be asked to do extra shifts.
This resulted in frequent personnel changes and “serious shortages of capacity”, Marshall said, blaming a “deliberate drive by the FCDO to prioritise ‘work-life balance’”. He concluded: “The FCDO’s approach has undermined organisational effectiveness.”...
That's what Blair would have done.
"Girls" is in my experience usually used by women about mates - "we're having a girls' night out", that sort of thing. Ultimately, I think it's fairly harmless unless it's part of a pattern of patronising behaviour, but probably best avoided in case someone feels differently.
What got me is the lack of a 24/7 helpdesk with Washington then treating the request as a spying attempt and not even doublechecking via the phone.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamella_Bordes
But it is worth remembering that the initial scientific view about the mutations present in Omicron was that some of them had the potential to make it more severe.
That may not happen in practice, but given our current state of ignorance there's no way we should be making a default assumption that it is milder, let alone welcoming Omicron with open arms.
She comes across as quite an early-Thatcher or May type character. Serious, bourgeois, traditionalist, with the charisma still a work in progress.
I would hazard a guess she might be a bit more Anglophile (or at least less interested in picking fights) than Macron, while remaining resolutely pro-EU. Possibly the right person to help engineer a detente with a future less hostile UK government (either Sunak/Truss-led Tories or Keir-led Labour).
But I hope the government has the strength to relax them should my prediction be proven correct.
Check your solar plexus, you should be able to locate the control panel.
If hospitalisations and deaths are rising, then there will be an increasing probability of more restrictions.
Worth remembering the source of the study when assessing its reliability.