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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,390
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
    As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary

    In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?

    Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
    FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
    Here’s the book

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf

    I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)

    FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would

    That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    edited December 2021

    RobD said:

    Farooq said:

    Have just read the Neill / Arcuri spat on twitter.

    Wow...

    It certainly cheered me up. I don't care which of them goes down in flames. Perhaps both? It's fantastic sport either way.
    I see what you mean, but the worry is that IF the accusation is true, there are some real victims out there. Whatever the facts, such serious criminal accusations *must* be investigated. Even if they were “in the past” (copyright Twat Raab).
    It's a serious accusation?
    His presence on a passenger manifest is proof of paedophilia according to Acuri....

    A reminder of one who libelled and lost:

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dr-christian-jessenraises-less-than-10k-of-150k-legal-bill-for-libeling-arlene-foster-40565917.html
    I don’t think he’s even on the passenger manifest, just in the “black book”. Along with lots of people.
    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    So do I. I have even investigated one or two.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    Neil’s performance on Twitter tonight has amplified any harm to his reputation caused by Acuri. Seriously - if you want to take legal action by all means but do it in the morning with a letter before claim rather than getting the world and Barbara Streisand talking about it first.

    That is an interesting point.
    Were he to prevail in his promised libel suit, would that amplification be then disregarded as far as damages were concerned ?
    I’m not a defamation lawyer. My knowledge comes from an LPC Media & Entertainment law module I did in the late 90s when Twitter was an impossible dream.

    The biggest point is whether she’s worth suing. Elon Musk = clearly worth suing. Jennifer Acuri = not so much.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    To whom it may concern. I have tonight commenced legal action against Jennifer Acuri. To those who have retweeted her vile and untrue accusations claiming or implying they have even a scintilla of veracity, my lawyers will also be coming after you. You have been warned.
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1467961061076832263

    Neil's such a cunt.
    I think he has every right to defend himself.
    Of course. I just find him so very strange. He always seems so desperately angry about the UK he helped to create.
    Strange is a far cry from what you said earlier. Why are you so desperately angry about him?
    I dislike the man. Not really angry. But I find him unpleasant and I have done through what I've seen of his later career. His earlier career was also not much better.
    No, I think your outburst earlier was quite telling. Far more than just finding someone unpleasant.
    I think we use language differently.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Foreign travel is going to be a PITA or a pipe dream for a while yet.

    Yep - I'm now planning for next year to be trips to Wales and Cornwall and a lot of weekends away.
    I had one trip to France planned for next summer, but I'm already resigned to that not happening now.
    Got a weekend to Bruges booked for late Jan, because I'm a stupid optimist (but free cancellation).
    I’m off to stay with my new billionaire friend in Ibiza at the weekend. My feeling now is Fuck it
    Don’t get a runny nose, whatever you do. I’m not sure we can cope with another week of whiney Sean posts as you traverse the River Styx.
    it’s actually Menorca - I was so delirious with excitement I got confused - what makes it so excitingly interesting is that I am joining a ayahuasca ceremony. First time in my life. I confess to a soupçon of nerves
    I hear it makes all sorts of inner personalities to come out ...
    I do hope I don’t “overwhelm” the shaman. Or, indeed, become so scared of the hallucinatory jaguar god eating my liver from my thrashing body i never return to sanity (yes yes, I know, I know)

    OTOH I have friends who absolutely SWEAR by ayahuasca
    My understanding is the stuff used in Europe isn't actually ayahuasca.
    I think it is if you are worth £2.3bn and you are an American mogul fascinated by entheogens
    If it *is* the real thing, bear in mind it is nicknamed la purga in Latin America for a reason. Pack spare undies.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,390
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    Neil’s performance on Twitter tonight has amplified any harm to his reputation caused by Acuri. Seriously - if you want to take legal action by all means but do it in the morning with a letter before claim rather than getting the world and Barbara Streisand talking about it first.

    That is an interesting point.
    Were he to prevail in his promised libel suit, would that amplification be then disregarded as far as damages were concerned ?
    IIRC it was disregarded in the Hamish Macalpine case? Once you publish on Twitter you publish
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    To whom it may concern. I have tonight commenced legal action against Jennifer Acuri. To those who have retweeted her vile and untrue accusations claiming or implying they have even a scintilla of veracity, my lawyers will also be coming after you. You have been warned.
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1467961061076832263

    Neil's such a cunt.
    I think he has every right to defend himself.
    Of course. I just find him so very strange. He always seems so desperately angry about the UK he helped to create.
    Strange is a far cry from what you said earlier. Why are you so desperately angry about him?
    I dislike the man. Not really angry. But I find him unpleasant and I have done through what I've seen of his later career. His earlier career was also not much better.
    No, I think your outburst earlier was quite telling. Far more than just finding someone unpleasant.
    I think we use language differently.
    No, not really. You don't call someone that if you just find them unpleasant. There's a seething hatred for him, for whatever reason.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via @SkyNewsThomas

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-causing-up-to-1-000-infections-a-day-many-more-than-official-figures-suggest-leading-scientist-says-12488640

    What are you going to call this variant, Scott? Delta was the Johnson Variant so are you going to work your way backwards through PMs - May, Cameron, Brown etc?
    We could always call it the "Let's shoot every vaccine refuser who shows up in hospital moaning that they can't breathe in order to free up beds for all the more deserving cases and avert another lockdown Variant"?

    Sorry, I know that's not very catchy.
  • Third time lucky
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286

    Seen the counsellor again and feeling well :)

    Oh nice. Well done.
  • Last night some folk were speculating about a possible Russian invasion of Finland. I note today the government chose American F-35s instead of the Swedish Jas Gripen. Maybe they judge that they’re safer with NATO-compatible gear in the current climate?

    - “Finland has spent the past five years selecting a new fighter with air-to-surface and air-to-sea capabilities to defend a 1,300-kilometer (800-mile) border with Russia, seeking to deter any aggression from its eastern neighbor. The jets will replace 64 Boeing Co. F/A-18 Hornets that will be retired in stages between 2025 and 2030, with the new aircraft set to be in service until the 2060s.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-05/finland-is-said-to-pick-lockheed-martin-f-35-jets-iltalehti
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    pigeon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via @SkyNewsThomas

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-causing-up-to-1-000-infections-a-day-many-more-than-official-figures-suggest-leading-scientist-says-12488640

    What are you going to call this variant, Scott? Delta was the Johnson Variant so are you going to work your way backwards through PMs - May, Cameron, Brown etc?
    We could always call it the "Let's shoot every vaccine refuser who shows up in hospital moaning that they can't breathe in order to free up beds for all the more deserving cases and avert another lockdown Variant"?

    Sorry, I know that's not very catchy.
    Case level in Belgium is twice here and their reaction is to close schools a week early
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420
    DougSeal said:

    pigeon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via @SkyNewsThomas

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-causing-up-to-1-000-infections-a-day-many-more-than-official-figures-suggest-leading-scientist-says-12488640

    What are you going to call this variant, Scott? Delta was the Johnson Variant so are you going to work your way backwards through PMs - May, Cameron, Brown etc?
    We could always call it the "Let's shoot every vaccine refuser who shows up in hospital moaning that they can't breathe in order to free up beds for all the more deserving cases and avert another lockdown Variant"?

    Sorry, I know that's not very catchy.
    Case level in Belgium is twice here and their reaction is to close schools a week early
    Perhaps we could compromise by shooting 50 people selected at random from the staff of the DfE?
  • algarkirk said:

    But fails to explain why a party, Labour, so brilliant that it should run the country and which came second in NS last time should be encouraging its supporters to make sure it loses even more badly this time, in a leave seat, to the ultra remain party. None of this makes any sense at all. And I still think (uncertainly) that the Tories will win it.
    I expect the conservatives to lose, but if Labour are a poor third due to tactical voting that will be a problem for Starmer to explain how they say they are coming back in the north
    In a deeply rural Midlands constituency Labour is going to come a poor third due to tactical voting and I don't think it will be a problem at all for Starmer.

    Labour's response should be something along the lines that: (1) the public is clearly disillusioned with the Conservatives and judging which party to vote for on a constituency by constituency basis (2) In OBS Labour was the beneficiary, when a tactical switch of 60% of previous LD voters clearly helped Labour to its highest vote share in the constituency for 20 years (3) In Shropshire North the position was reversed and the LDs were the beneficiary of a tactical switch by Labour supporters and that (4) while there is no formal pact between the two parties, the two results show that there is little need for one as voters who want the Conservatives out are quite capable of making appropriate tactical judgements for themselves.


  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    pigeon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via @SkyNewsThomas

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-causing-up-to-1-000-infections-a-day-many-more-than-official-figures-suggest-leading-scientist-says-12488640

    What are you going to call this variant, Scott? Delta was the Johnson Variant so are you going to work your way backwards through PMs - May, Cameron, Brown etc?
    We could always call it the "Let's shoot every vaccine refuser who shows up in hospital moaning that they can't breathe in order to free up beds for all the more deserving cases and avert another lockdown Variant"?

    Sorry, I know that's not very catchy.
    Sounds like a plan.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    pigeon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via @SkyNewsThomas

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-causing-up-to-1-000-infections-a-day-many-more-than-official-figures-suggest-leading-scientist-says-12488640

    What are you going to call this variant, Scott? Delta was the Johnson Variant so are you going to work your way backwards through PMs - May, Cameron, Brown etc?
    We could always call it the "Let's shoot every vaccine refuser who shows up in hospital moaning that they can't breathe in order to free up beds for all the more deserving cases and avert another lockdown Variant"?

    Sorry, I know that's not very catchy.
    Case level in Belgium is twice here and their reaction is to close schools a week early
    Perhaps we could compromise by shooting 50 people selected at random from the staff of the DfE?
    I appreciate your professional hostility but I think that breaches the Geneva Convention
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,420
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    pigeon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via @SkyNewsThomas

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-causing-up-to-1-000-infections-a-day-many-more-than-official-figures-suggest-leading-scientist-says-12488640

    What are you going to call this variant, Scott? Delta was the Johnson Variant so are you going to work your way backwards through PMs - May, Cameron, Brown etc?
    We could always call it the "Let's shoot every vaccine refuser who shows up in hospital moaning that they can't breathe in order to free up beds for all the more deserving cases and avert another lockdown Variant"?

    Sorry, I know that's not very catchy.
    Case level in Belgium is twice here and their reaction is to close schools a week early
    Perhaps we could compromise by shooting 50 people selected at random from the staff of the DfE?
    I appreciate your professional hostility but I think that breaches the Geneva Convention
    I hadn't thought of that but now you mention it, they clearly are on the side of the virus.

    But hold on, they're not wearing uniforms so they're civilians under arms and we can still shoot them.
  • Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
    As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary

    In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?

    Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
    FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
    Here’s the book

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf

    I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)

    FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would

    That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
    Andrew Neil’s email is aol.com. He’s really down with the kidz.

    Didn’t spot a blog proprietor.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,067

    algarkirk said:

    But fails to explain why a party, Labour, so brilliant that it should run the country and which came second in NS last time should be encouraging its supporters to make sure it loses even more badly this time, in a leave seat, to the ultra remain party. None of this makes any sense at all. And I still think (uncertainly) that the Tories will win it.
    I expect the conservatives to lose, but if Labour are a poor third due to tactical voting that will be a problem for Starmer to explain how they say they are coming back in the north
    In a deeply rural Midlands constituency Labour is going to come a poor third due to tactical voting and I don't think it will be a problem at all for Starmer.

    Labour's response should be something along the lines that: (1) the public is clearly disillusioned with the Conservatives and judging which party to vote for on a constituency by constituency basis (2) In OBS Labour was the beneficiary, when a tactical switch of 60% of previous LD voters clearly helped Labour to its highest vote share in the constituency for 20 years (3) In Shropshire North the position was reversed and the LDs were the beneficiary of a tactical switch by Labour supporters and that (4) while there is no formal pact between the two parties, the two results show that there is little need for one as voters who want the Conservatives out are quite capable of making appropriate tactical judgements for themselves.


    However, if the Labour vote collapses to the LDs due to tactical voting then Labour could come fourth behind ReformUK as the LDs came 4th in Old Bexley and Sidcup behind ReformUK as their voters tactically voted Labour.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,390
    edited December 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Foreign travel is going to be a PITA or a pipe dream for a while yet.

    Yep - I'm now planning for next year to be trips to Wales and Cornwall and a lot of weekends away.
    I had one trip to France planned for next summer, but I'm already resigned to that not happening now.
    Got a weekend to Bruges booked for late Jan, because I'm a stupid optimist (but free cancellation).
    I’m off to stay with my new billionaire friend in Ibiza at the weekend. My feeling now is Fuck it
    Don’t get a runny nose, whatever you do. I’m not sure we can cope with another week of whiney Sean posts as you traverse the River Styx.
    it’s actually Menorca - I was so delirious with excitement I got confused - what makes it so excitingly interesting is that I am joining a ayahuasca ceremony. First time in my life. I confess to a soupçon of nerves
    I hear it makes all sorts of inner personalities to come out ...
    I do hope I don’t “overwhelm” the shaman. Or, indeed, become so scared of the hallucinatory jaguar god eating my liver from my thrashing body i never return to sanity (yes yes, I know, I know)

    OTOH I have friends who absolutely SWEAR by ayahuasca
    My understanding is the stuff used in Europe isn't actually ayahuasca.
    I think it is if you are worth £2.3bn and you are an American mogul fascinated by entheogens
    If it *is* the real thing, bear in mind it is nicknamed la purga in Latin America for a reason. Pack spare undies.
    I’m 99% sure it is the real deal. This guy does not fuck around. He won’t be the only squillionaire there, either, Psychedelics are the new coke, for Silicon Valley Royalty, and inquisitive aristos, coke is for the council dealers and wannabe banksters

    Have you tried it? Do you really vomit everywhere and crap yourself? I have heard varying accounts, some quite, er, unsettling
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    To whom it may concern. I have tonight commenced legal action against Jennifer Acuri. To those who have retweeted her vile and untrue accusations claiming or implying they have even a scintilla of veracity, my lawyers will also be coming after you. You have been warned.
    https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1467961061076832263

    Neil's such a cunt.
    I think he has every right to defend himself.
    Of course. I just find him so very strange. He always seems so desperately angry about the UK he helped to create.
    Strange is a far cry from what you said earlier. Why are you so desperately angry about him?
    I dislike the man. Not really angry. But I find him unpleasant and I have done through what I've seen of his later career. His earlier career was also not much better.
    No, I think your outburst earlier was quite telling. Far more than just finding someone unpleasant.
    I think we use language differently.
    No, not really. You don't call someone that if you just find them unpleasant. There's a seething hatred for him, for whatever reason.
    May be his tweet added to my ire. Not the context, he is welcome to defend his reputation. But I can imagine the way he wrote it helped quench some of the hate he has for life. If I had to rate the man I'd put him at 10 microhitlers.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Foreign travel is going to be a PITA or a pipe dream for a while yet.

    Yep - I'm now planning for next year to be trips to Wales and Cornwall and a lot of weekends away.
    I had one trip to France planned for next summer, but I'm already resigned to that not happening now.
    Got a weekend to Bruges booked for late Jan, because I'm a stupid optimist (but free cancellation).
    I’m off to stay with my new billionaire friend in Ibiza at the weekend. My feeling now is Fuck it
    Don’t get a runny nose, whatever you do. I’m not sure we can cope with another week of whiney Sean posts as you traverse the River Styx.
    it’s actually Menorca - I was so delirious with excitement I got confused - what makes it so excitingly interesting is that I am joining a ayahuasca ceremony. First time in my life. I confess to a soupçon of nerves
    I hear it makes all sorts of inner personalities to come out ...
    I do hope I don’t “overwhelm” the shaman. Or, indeed, become so scared of the hallucinatory jaguar god eating my liver from my thrashing body i never return to sanity (yes yes, I know, I know)

    OTOH I have friends who absolutely SWEAR by ayahuasca
    My understanding is the stuff used in Europe isn't actually ayahuasca.
    I think it is if you are worth £2.3bn and you are an American mogul fascinated by entheogens
    If it *is* the real thing, bear in mind it is nicknamed la purga in Latin America for a reason. Pack spare undies.
    Oh no! He’ll be bleating about a runny nose and skid marks too? The poor wee lamb.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    DougSeal said:

    pigeon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via @SkyNewsThomas

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-causing-up-to-1-000-infections-a-day-many-more-than-official-figures-suggest-leading-scientist-says-12488640

    What are you going to call this variant, Scott? Delta was the Johnson Variant so are you going to work your way backwards through PMs - May, Cameron, Brown etc?
    We could always call it the "Let's shoot every vaccine refuser who shows up in hospital moaning that they can't breathe in order to free up beds for all the more deserving cases and avert another lockdown Variant"?

    Sorry, I know that's not very catchy.
    Case level in Belgium is twice here and their reaction is to close schools a week early
    Yes, and hopefully we have seen the last of the kind of heavy-handed crap we had to endure before the vaccines. This doesn't, however, mean that (a) there won't be a lot of pressure for more of it from the usual suspects and, moreover, (b) there won't be more people suffering from everything other than Covid who are, to be blunt, abandoned to deteriorate and die by the NHS, all because intensive care capacity is clogged with anti-vaxxers and their illness takes precedence over absolutely everything else.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,409
    Pick that one out!!
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    edited December 2021
    Much as I might agree with that position in that case, if I had a vote there I wouldn't heed any advice from the Guardian out of principle. The problem I have with the Guardian is summed up by the absence of a similar editorial calling on LD supporters to vote Labour in Old Bexley. It's always struck me as much more a LD paper than a Labour one.
  • Leon said:

    I

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Foreign travel is going to be a PITA or a pipe dream for a while yet.

    Yep - I'm now planning for next year to be trips to Wales and Cornwall and a lot of weekends away.
    I had one trip to France planned for next summer, but I'm already resigned to that not happening now.
    Got a weekend to Bruges booked for late Jan, because I'm a stupid optimist (but free cancellation).
    I’m off to stay with my new billionaire friend in Ibiza at the weekend. My feeling now is Fuck it
    Don’t get a runny nose, whatever you do. I’m not sure we can cope with another week of whiney Sean posts as you traverse the River Styx.
    it’s actually Menorca - I was so delirious with excitement I got confused - what makes it so excitingly interesting is that I am joining a ayahuasca ceremony. First time in my life. I confess to a soupçon of nerves
    I hear it makes all sorts of inner personalities to come out ...
    I do hope I don’t “overwhelm” the shaman. Or, indeed, become so scared of the hallucinatory jaguar god eating my liver from my thrashing body i never return to sanity (yes yes, I know, I know)

    OTOH I have friends who absolutely SWEAR by ayahuasca
    Consequences are truly incalculable. You might come back and stand for the SNP in Barking.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,418

    Seen the counsellor again and feeling well :)

    Good to hear
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 757
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
    As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary

    In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?

    Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
    FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
    Here’s the book

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf

    I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)

    FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would

    That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
    I get the feeling there's something there about implicating people who weren't involved as part of the manipulation.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,189
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
    As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary

    In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?

    Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
    FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
    Here’s the book

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf

    I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)

    FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would

    That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
    It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.

    He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
  • HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    But fails to explain why a party, Labour, so brilliant that it should run the country and which came second in NS last time should be encouraging its supporters to make sure it loses even more badly this time, in a leave seat, to the ultra remain party. None of this makes any sense at all. And I still think (uncertainly) that the Tories will win it.
    I expect the conservatives to lose, but if Labour are a poor third due to tactical voting that will be a problem for Starmer to explain how they say they are coming back in the north
    In a deeply rural Midlands constituency Labour is going to come a poor third due to tactical voting and I don't think it will be a problem at all for Starmer.

    Labour's response should be something along the lines that: (1) the public is clearly disillusioned with the Conservatives and judging which party to vote for on a constituency by constituency basis (2) In OBS Labour was the beneficiary, when a tactical switch of 60% of previous LD voters clearly helped Labour to its highest vote share in the constituency for 20 years (3) In Shropshire North the position was reversed and the LDs were the beneficiary of a tactical switch by Labour supporters and that (4) while there is no formal pact between the two parties, the two results show that there is little need for one as voters who want the Conservatives out are quite capable of making appropriate tactical judgements for themselves.


    However, if the Labour vote collapses to the LDs due to tactical voting then Labour could come fourth behind ReformUK as the LDs came 4th in Old Bexley and Sidcup behind ReformUK as their voters tactically voted Labour.
    Quite possibly, I take your point but it doesn't really impact on mine.
  • . . . always remember that you may be someone else's bad trip . . .
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,189
    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It rather depends on whether the LibDems have access to actual postal vote data, or whether they're just including canvas data which includes people who said 'oh yeah, and I already voted by post'. If the first, it's an issue. If the second, then it's fine.
    Thank you for providing a sensible answer, unlike some who dismiss it even without reading the article
    Oi, Big G I gave the same answer first. Stop sucking up to @rcs1000 cos his dad owns the site. I can spot favouritism.
    Really? I don't see that comment.
    :smiley: Oh very good Robert. I spent ages looking for my comment so I could give you the time reference. I thought I was going mad. You deleted it didn't you? My wife thinks that is hilarious.
    Sorry.

    I was being very childish :smile:
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    edited December 2021
    pigeon said:

    DougSeal said:

    pigeon said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via @SkyNewsThomas

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-omicron-causing-up-to-1-000-infections-a-day-many-more-than-official-figures-suggest-leading-scientist-says-12488640

    What are you going to call this variant, Scott? Delta was the Johnson Variant so are you going to work your way backwards through PMs - May, Cameron, Brown etc?
    We could always call it the "Let's shoot every vaccine refuser who shows up in hospital moaning that they can't breathe in order to free up beds for all the more deserving cases and avert another lockdown Variant"?

    Sorry, I know that's not very catchy.
    Case level in Belgium is twice here and their reaction is to close schools a week early
    Yes, and hopefully we have seen the last of the kind of heavy-handed crap we had to endure before the vaccines. This doesn't, however, mean that (a) there won't be a lot of pressure for more of it from the usual suspects and, moreover, (b) there won't be more people suffering from everything other than Covid who are, to be blunt, abandoned to deteriorate and die by the NHS, all because intensive care capacity is clogged with anti-vaxxers and their illness takes precedence over absolutely everything else.
    At this point, I don't think that parents of unvaccinated secondary school children would have a lot to complain about if their children were sent home a week early while remaining open to other children. Other than perhaps the lack of a prior warning sufficient to allow them to get their children vaccinated in time. A more appropriate UK strategy at this point might be to announce that schools will reopen on time post Christmas except that unvaccinated children won't be allowed to return initially. Cue rush to get children vaccinated.

    On the other hand, if UK schools were closed early to all children then parents who had done the right thing by getting their children vaccinated should be absolutely seething at the failure of our Government to take on those who didn't.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,795
    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It rather depends on whether the LibDems have access to actual postal vote data, or whether they're just including canvas data which includes people who said 'oh yeah, and I already voted by post'. If the first, it's an issue. If the second, then it's fine.
    Thank you for providing a sensible answer, unlike some who dismiss it even without reading the article
    Oi, Big G I gave the same answer first. Stop sucking up to @rcs1000 cos his dad owns the site. I can spot favouritism.
    Really? I don't see that comment.
    :smiley: Oh very good Robert. I spent ages looking for my comment so I could give you the time reference. I thought I was going mad. You deleted it didn't you? My wife thinks that is hilarious.
    Sorry.

    I was being very childish :smile:
    That's all right. It gave me a good laugh. It amuses me that you posted a joke on a site available to the world that only I was likely to get. I appreciate the effort.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,390
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
    As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary

    In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?

    Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
    FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
    Here’s the book

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf

    I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)

    FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would

    That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
    It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.

    He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
    Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?

    it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.

    Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet

    Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze

    In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls

    So simple, yet so effective
  • Last night some folk were speculating about a possible Russian invasion of Finland. I note today the government chose American F-35s instead of the Swedish Jas Gripen. Maybe they judge that they’re safer with NATO-compatible gear in the current climate?

    - “Finland has spent the past five years selecting a new fighter with air-to-surface and air-to-sea capabilities to defend a 1,300-kilometer (800-mile) border with Russia, seeking to deter any aggression from its eastern neighbor. The jets will replace 64 Boeing Co. F/A-18 Hornets that will be retired in stages between 2025 and 2030, with the new aircraft set to be in service until the 2060s.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-05/finland-is-said-to-pick-lockheed-martin-f-35-jets-iltalehti

    They put up a pretty good show with our Brewster Buffalos last time it happened.
  • Last night some folk were speculating about a possible Russian invasion of Finland. I note today the government chose American F-35s instead of the Swedish Jas Gripen. Maybe they judge that they’re safer with NATO-compatible gear in the current climate?

    - “Finland has spent the past five years selecting a new fighter with air-to-surface and air-to-sea capabilities to defend a 1,300-kilometer (800-mile) border with Russia, seeking to deter any aggression from its eastern neighbor. The jets will replace 64 Boeing Co. F/A-18 Hornets that will be retired in stages between 2025 and 2030, with the new aircraft set to be in service until the 2060s.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-05/finland-is-said-to-pick-lockheed-martin-f-35-jets-iltalehti

    They put up a pretty good show with our Brewster Buffalos last time it happened.
    Brewster being a US company of course! And not very successful to boot.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Leon said:

    I

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Foreign travel is going to be a PITA or a pipe dream for a while yet.

    Yep - I'm now planning for next year to be trips to Wales and Cornwall and a lot of weekends away.
    I had one trip to France planned for next summer, but I'm already resigned to that not happening now.
    Got a weekend to Bruges booked for late Jan, because I'm a stupid optimist (but free cancellation).
    I’m off to stay with my new billionaire friend in Ibiza at the weekend. My feeling now is Fuck it
    Don’t get a runny nose, whatever you do. I’m not sure we can cope with another week of whiney Sean posts as you traverse the River Styx.
    it’s actually Menorca - I was so delirious with excitement I got confused - what makes it so excitingly interesting is that I am joining a ayahuasca ceremony. First time in my life. I confess to a soupçon of nerves
    I hear it makes all sorts of inner personalities to come out ...
    I do hope I don’t “overwhelm” the shaman. Or, indeed, become so scared of the hallucinatory jaguar god eating my liver from my thrashing body i never return to sanity (yes yes, I know, I know)

    OTOH I have friends who absolutely SWEAR by ayahuasca
    Consequences are truly incalculable. You might come back and stand for the SNP in Barking.
    He will do that during the ceremony, as he realises Wee Nicki is high priestess of the machine elves, and the embodiment of the number 42.
  • Seen the counsellor again and feeling well :)

    Counsellor? Counsellor, is that you? Counsellor, come out, come out, wherever you are! I ain't no white trash piece of shit. I'm better than you all! I can out-learn you. I can out-read you. I can out-think you. And I can out-philosophize you. And I'm gonna outlast you. You think a couple whacks to my good ol' boy guts is gonna get me down? It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than that, Counsellor, to prove you're better than me! I am like God, and God like me. I am as large as God. He is as small as I. He cannot above me, nor I beneath Him be. Silesius, 17th Century. Counsellor? Counsellor, could you be there? Could you be there? Counsellor. I wonder if you're here. Ah, f*ck it. You're here, you ain't here. What the f*ck's the difference?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,390
    Grim Prediction: Eric Zemmour will end up assassinated, like Pim Fortuyn in Holland
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

  • Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via
    @SkyNewsThomas

    ===

    Balloux has been one of the more restrained, sober medical commentators iirc.

    Bleak.

    We are looking at Jan lockdown I fear.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Leon said:

    Grim Prediction: Eric Zemmour will end up assassinated, like Pim Fortuyn in Holland

    Surely, like all of us, he will be cut down by OMICRON.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    Who the hell wants to see such pics!
    Don’t answer that question.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Foreign travel is going to be a PITA or a pipe dream for a while yet.

    Yep - I'm now planning for next year to be trips to Wales and Cornwall and a lot of weekends away.
    I had one trip to France planned for next summer, but I'm already resigned to that not happening now.
    Got a weekend to Bruges booked for late Jan, because I'm a stupid optimist (but free cancellation).
    I’m off to stay with my new billionaire friend in Ibiza at the weekend. My feeling now is Fuck it
    Don’t get a runny nose, whatever you do. I’m not sure we can cope with another week of whiney Sean posts as you traverse the River Styx.
    it’s actually Menorca - I was so delirious with excitement I got confused - what makes it so excitingly interesting is that I am joining a ayahuasca ceremony. First time in my life. I confess to a soupçon of nerves
    I hear it makes all sorts of inner personalities to come out ...
    I do hope I don’t “overwhelm” the shaman. Or, indeed, become so scared of the hallucinatory jaguar god eating my liver from my thrashing body i never return to sanity (yes yes, I know, I know)

    OTOH I have friends who absolutely SWEAR by ayahuasca
    My understanding is the stuff used in Europe isn't actually ayahuasca.
    I think it is if you are worth £2.3bn and you are an American mogul fascinated by entheogens
    If it *is* the real thing, bear in mind it is nicknamed la purga in Latin America for a reason. Pack spare undies.
    I’m 99% sure it is the real deal. This guy does not fuck around. He won’t be the only squillionaire there, either, Psychedelics are the new coke, for Silicon Valley Royalty, and inquisitive aristos, coke is for the council dealers and wannabe banksters

    Have you tried it? Do you really vomit everywhere and crap yourself? I have heard varying accounts, some quite, er, unsettling
    No. I do consume fungi off Dartmoor, but they don't have the same reputation.

    I rather recommend Graham Hancock on the subject

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004EYSYBK/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

    only a couple of notes on kindle, and he is a highly intelligent writer. Lots to say about gobekli tepe.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,698
    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    ? A trader. What does that mean?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Foreign travel is going to be a PITA or a pipe dream for a while yet.

    Yep - I'm now planning for next year to be trips to Wales and Cornwall and a lot of weekends away.
    I had one trip to France planned for next summer, but I'm already resigned to that not happening now.
    Got a weekend to Bruges booked for late Jan, because I'm a stupid optimist (but free cancellation).
    I’m off to stay with my new billionaire friend in Ibiza at the weekend. My feeling now is Fuck it
    Don’t get a runny nose, whatever you do. I’m not sure we can cope with another week of whiney Sean posts as you traverse the River Styx.
    it’s actually Menorca - I was so delirious with excitement I got confused - what makes it so excitingly interesting is that I am joining a ayahuasca ceremony. First time in my life. I confess to a soupçon of nerves
    I hear it makes all sorts of inner personalities to come out ...
    I do hope I don’t “overwhelm” the shaman. Or, indeed, become so scared of the hallucinatory jaguar god eating my liver from my thrashing body i never return to sanity (yes yes, I know, I know)

    OTOH I have friends who absolutely SWEAR by ayahuasca
    My understanding is the stuff used in Europe isn't actually ayahuasca.
    I think it is if you are worth £2.3bn and you are an American mogul fascinated by entheogens
    If it *is* the real thing, bear in mind it is nicknamed la purga in Latin America for a reason. Pack spare undies.
    I’m 99% sure it is the real deal. This guy does not fuck around. He won’t be the only squillionaire there, either, Psychedelics are the new coke, for Silicon Valley Royalty, and inquisitive aristos, coke is for the council dealers and wannabe banksters

    Have you tried it? Do you really vomit everywhere and crap yourself? I have heard varying accounts, some quite, er, unsettling
    No. I do consume fungi off Dartmoor, but they don't have the same reputation.

    I rather recommend Graham Hancock on the subject

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004EYSYBK/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

    only a couple of notes on kindle, and he is a highly intelligent writer. Lots to say about gobekli tepe.
    I'm a big fan too!

    "Supernatural" is a great read.

    But it was "Underworld" that got me interested in Ice Age coastlines.


    Anyway, @Leon will find this interesting:
    Study suggests psychedelics promote positive mental health through increased spirituality and emotion regulation

    https://www.psypost.org/2021/12/study-suggests-psychedelics-promote-positive-mental-health-through-increased-spirituality-and-emotion-regulation-62200
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,508
    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It rather depends on whether the LibDems have access to actual postal vote data, or whether they're just including canvas data which includes people who said 'oh yeah, and I already voted by post'. If the first, it's an issue. If the second, then it's fine.
    Thank you for providing a sensible answer, unlike some who dismiss it even without reading the article
    Oi, Big G I gave the same answer first. Stop sucking up to @rcs1000 cos his dad owns the site. I can spot favouritism.
    Really? I don't see that comment.
    :smiley: Oh very good Robert. I spent ages looking for my comment so I could give you the time reference. I thought I was going mad. You deleted it didn't you? My wife thinks that is hilarious.
    Sorry.

    I was being very childish :smile:
    So you have the Power of God, and the mentality of Chris Morris?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,531



    Counsellor? Counsellor, is that you? Counsellor, come out, come out, wherever you are! I ain't no white trash piece of shit. I'm better than you all! I can out-learn you. I can out-read you. I can out-think you. And I can out-philosophize you. And I'm gonna outlast you. You think a couple whacks to my good ol' boy guts is gonna get me down? It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than that, Counsellor, to prove you're better than me! I am like God, and God like me. I am as large as God. He is as small as I. He cannot above me, nor I beneath Him be. Silesius, 17th Century. Counsellor? Counsellor, could you be there? Could you be there? Counsellor. I wonder if you're here. Ah, f*ck it. You're here, you ain't here. What the f*ck's the difference?

    You sound as though you need a counsellor yourself, Sunil.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,055
    edited December 2021
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
    As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary

    In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?

    Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
    FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
    Here’s the book

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf

    I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)

    FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would

    That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
    It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.

    He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
    Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?

    it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.

    Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet

    Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze

    In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls

    So simple, yet so effective
    There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.


  • Counsellor? Counsellor, is that you? Counsellor, come out, come out, wherever you are! I ain't no white trash piece of shit. I'm better than you all! I can out-learn you. I can out-read you. I can out-think you. And I can out-philosophize you. And I'm gonna outlast you. You think a couple whacks to my good ol' boy guts is gonna get me down? It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than that, Counsellor, to prove you're better than me! I am like God, and God like me. I am as large as God. He is as small as I. He cannot above me, nor I beneath Him be. Silesius, 17th Century. Counsellor? Counsellor, could you be there? Could you be there? Counsellor. I wonder if you're here. Ah, f*ck it. You're here, you ain't here. What the f*ck's the difference?

    You sound as though you need a counsellor yourself, Sunil.
    You didn't get the reference, did you?

    Cape Fear marks the seventh collaboration between Scorsese and De Niro. The film was a commercial success and garnered positive reviews, receiving Oscar and Golden Globe Award nominations for Best Actor (De Niro) and Best Supporting Actress (Juliette Lewis).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Fear_(1991_film)

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Good Private Eye cover this month. I can't link it but a nice tale on the Tory drug CRACKdown
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,055
    edited December 2021
    Professor Spector, who leads the King's College London Zoe Covid study, said: 'At the moment, we're estimating that somewhere between one in three and one in four colds are actually due to Covid.'

    He told Times Radio that the UK must be 'much more open-minded about who we are testing' and 'get more people to isolate at least for a few days with cold-like symptoms'.

    'That's quite a high rate of people that are currently not even bothered to get a lateral flow test, or getting a PCR test, going to parties and spreading it around,' he said.

    'So if that transfers to Omicron then we're going to be compounding that problem much faster than we would need to.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10281723/One-four-colds-actually-Covid.html
  • I love that Alan Rickman is there! (Die Hard!)
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486


    Beth Rigby
    @BethRigby
    Omicron causing up to 1,000 infections a day.
    Professor Francois Balloux, director of UCL Genetics Institute says #omicron outbreak well underway, doubling every three to four days and will quickly put NHS under pressure, via
    @SkyNewsThomas

    ===

    Balloux has been one of the more restrained, sober medical commentators iirc.

    Bleak.

    We are looking at Jan lockdown I fear.

    I’m not sure Beth Rigby has even watched the interview. The thrust of the tape is Balloux explaining why travel bans are pointless when you have community transmission - a thesis seemingly entirely lost on Rigby.
  • HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    But fails to explain why a party, Labour, so brilliant that it should run the country and which came second in NS last time should be encouraging its supporters to make sure it loses even more badly this time, in a leave seat, to the ultra remain party. None of this makes any sense at all. And I still think (uncertainly) that the Tories will win it.
    I expect the conservatives to lose, but if Labour are a poor third due to tactical voting that will be a problem for Starmer to explain how they say they are coming back in the north
    In a deeply rural Midlands constituency Labour is going to come a poor third due to tactical voting and I don't think it will be a problem at all for Starmer.

    Labour's response should be something along the lines that: (1) the public is clearly disillusioned with the Conservatives and judging which party to vote for on a constituency by constituency basis (2) In OBS Labour was the beneficiary, when a tactical switch of 60% of previous LD voters clearly helped Labour to its highest vote share in the constituency for 20 years (3) In Shropshire North the position was reversed and the LDs were the beneficiary of a tactical switch by Labour supporters and that (4) while there is no formal pact between the two parties, the two results show that there is little need for one as voters who want the Conservatives out are quite capable of making appropriate tactical judgements for themselves.


    However, if the Labour vote collapses to the LDs due to tactical voting then Labour could come fourth behind ReformUK as the LDs came 4th in Old Bexley and Sidcup behind ReformUK as their voters tactically voted Labour.
    And your point? So what?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
    As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary

    In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?

    Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
    FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
    Here’s the book

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf

    I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)

    FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would

    That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
    It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.

    He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
    Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?

    it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.

    Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet

    Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze

    In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls

    So simple, yet so effective
    There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
    Money laundering.
  • Leon said:

    Grim Prediction: Eric Zemmour will end up assassinated, like Pim Fortuyn in Holland

    Trump seems to be remarkably cavalier about that risk too - surprisingly so given that it could end up being the only remaining check and balance against the presidency if he gets his way.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,737
    edited December 2021

    Leon said:

    Grim Prediction: Eric Zemmour will end up assassinated, like Pim Fortuyn in Holland

    Trump seems to be remarkably cavalier about that risk too - surprisingly so given that it could end up being the only remaining check and balance against the presidency if he gets his way.
    The best argument against his deep state 'theory' is that he is still is alive.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,737
    edited December 2021
    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    EXPRESS: Bank of England warns price rises will bite even harder #TomorrowsPapersToday

    ===

    Narrator: Only a few weeks/months ago the BoE was saying all this was transitory and nothing to see here guv.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    Who the hell wants to see such pics!
    Don’t answer that question.
    Some of the stuff I have seen shared on traders' chats is quite revolting. So revolting in fact that I can't bring myself to describe it.

    One of the horrible things about this case is that they were so open about sharing these pictures. One wonders what else is being shared.

    Were I a victim of a sexual assault I'm not at all confident that the police would keep the details confidential.

  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,508

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    But fails to explain why a party, Labour, so brilliant that it should run the country and which came second in NS last time should be encouraging its supporters to make sure it loses even more badly this time, in a leave seat, to the ultra remain party. None of this makes any sense at all. And I still think (uncertainly) that the Tories will win it.
    I expect the conservatives to lose, but if Labour are a poor third due to tactical voting that will be a problem for Starmer to explain how they say they are coming back in the north
    In a deeply rural Midlands constituency Labour is going to come a poor third due to tactical voting and I don't think it will be a problem at all for Starmer.

    Labour's response should be something along the lines that: (1) the public is clearly disillusioned with the Conservatives and judging which party to vote for on a constituency by constituency basis (2) In OBS Labour was the beneficiary, when a tactical switch of 60% of previous LD voters clearly helped Labour to its highest vote share in the constituency for 20 years (3) In Shropshire North the position was reversed and the LDs were the beneficiary of a tactical switch by Labour supporters and that (4) while there is no formal pact between the two parties, the two results show that there is little need for one as voters who want the Conservatives out are quite capable of making appropriate tactical judgements for themselves.


    However, if the Labour vote collapses to the LDs due to tactical voting then Labour could come fourth behind ReformUK as the LDs came 4th in Old Bexley and Sidcup behind ReformUK as their voters tactically voted Labour.
    And your point? So what?
    If Labour came fifth in a Libdem win next week, they would be too busy laughing to even put out a statement.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
    As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary

    In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?

    Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
    FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
    Here’s the book

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf

    I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)

    FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would

    That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
    It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.

    He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
    Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?

    it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.

    Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet

    Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze

    In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls

    So simple, yet so effective
    There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
    Money laundering.
    Mossad
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,855
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    Who the hell wants to see such pics!
    Don’t answer that question.
    Some of the stuff I have seen shared on traders' chats is quite revolting. So revolting in fact that I can't bring myself to describe it.

    One of the horrible things about this case is that they were so open about sharing these pictures. One wonders what else is being shared.

    Were I a victim of a sexual assault I'm not at all confident that the police would keep the details confidential.

    Does 'trader' have a meaning beyond the usual Arthur Daley one, please?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,568
    edited December 2021
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,508

    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    EXPRESS: Bank of England warns price rises will bite even harder #TomorrowsPapersToday

    ===

    Narrator: Only a few weeks/months ago the BoE was saying all this was transitory and nothing to see here guv.

    Why have the Express printed a believable and downbeat headline? Are they well?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Professor Spector, who leads the King's College London Zoe Covid study, said: 'At the moment, we're estimating that somewhere between one in three and one in four colds are actually due to Covid.'

    He told Times Radio that the UK must be 'much more open-minded about who we are testing' and 'get more people to isolate at least for a few days with cold-like symptoms'.

    'That's quite a high rate of people that are currently not even bothered to get a lateral flow test, or getting a PCR test, going to parties and spreading it around,' he said.

    'So if that transfers to Omicron then we're going to be compounding that problem much faster than we would need to.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10281723/One-four-colds-actually-Covid.html

    Odd, as pretty everyone I speak to who gets cold like symptoms immediately assumes it’s covid, often to discover through a test that it’s a cold.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    Not quite right

    "Jaffer you were a member of a ‘WhatsApp’ group named “covid c***s”
    and there were 10 members of that group including you."
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    That said, a mate had covid recently that presented as a very mild cold. He later got an actual cold that presented as a particularly nasty dose of flu.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,067

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    But fails to explain why a party, Labour, so brilliant that it should run the country and which came second in NS last time should be encouraging its supporters to make sure it loses even more badly this time, in a leave seat, to the ultra remain party. None of this makes any sense at all. And I still think (uncertainly) that the Tories will win it.
    I expect the conservatives to lose, but if Labour are a poor third due to tactical voting that will be a problem for Starmer to explain how they say they are coming back in the north
    In a deeply rural Midlands constituency Labour is going to come a poor third due to tactical voting and I don't think it will be a problem at all for Starmer.

    Labour's response should be something along the lines that: (1) the public is clearly disillusioned with the Conservatives and judging which party to vote for on a constituency by constituency basis (2) In OBS Labour was the beneficiary, when a tactical switch of 60% of previous LD voters clearly helped Labour to its highest vote share in the constituency for 20 years (3) In Shropshire North the position was reversed and the LDs were the beneficiary of a tactical switch by Labour supporters and that (4) while there is no formal pact between the two parties, the two results show that there is little need for one as voters who want the Conservatives out are quite capable of making appropriate tactical judgements for themselves.


    However, if the Labour vote collapses to the LDs due to tactical voting then Labour could come fourth behind ReformUK as the LDs came 4th in Old Bexley and Sidcup behind ReformUK as their voters tactically voted Labour.
    And your point? So what?
    If Labour came fifth in a Libdem win next week, they would be too busy laughing to even put out a statement.
    More likely a narrow Tory hold and if Reform UK take third and beat Labour in a seat Labour was second in in 2019 that would be a blow to Starmer
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,508

    Leon said:

    Grim Prediction: Eric Zemmour will end up assassinated, like Pim Fortuyn in Holland

    Trump seems to be remarkably cavalier about that risk too - surprisingly so given that it could end up being the only remaining check and balance against the presidency if he gets his way.
    The word cavalier jumps out towards me in an interesting way. By the end wasn’t Charles The first more keen to be executed than his opponents were to execute him?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,067
    Leon said:

    Grim Prediction: Eric Zemmour will end up assassinated, like Pim Fortuyn in Holland

    If that happened he would become a martyr to his supporters and the chaos that ensued could even lead to President Le Pen depending on who shot him and the counter reaction
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,748
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    eek said:

    Foreign travel is going to be a PITA or a pipe dream for a while yet.

    Yep - I'm now planning for next year to be trips to Wales and Cornwall and a lot of weekends away.
    I had one trip to France planned for next summer, but I'm already resigned to that not happening now.
    Got a weekend to Bruges booked for late Jan, because I'm a stupid optimist (but free cancellation).
    I’m off to stay with my new billionaire friend in Ibiza at the weekend. My feeling now is Fuck it
    Don’t get a runny nose, whatever you do. I’m not sure we can cope with another week of whiney Sean posts as you traverse the River Styx.
    it’s actually Menorca - I was so delirious with excitement I got confused - what makes it so excitingly interesting is that I am joining a ayahuasca ceremony. First time in my life. I confess to a soupçon of nerves
    I hear it makes all sorts of inner personalities to come out ...
    I do hope I don’t “overwhelm” the shaman. Or, indeed, become so scared of the hallucinatory jaguar god eating my liver from my thrashing body i never return to sanity (yes yes, I know, I know)

    OTOH I have friends who absolutely SWEAR by ayahuasca
    My understanding is the stuff used in Europe isn't actually ayahuasca.
    I think it is if you are worth £2.3bn and you are an American mogul fascinated by entheogens
    There’s some interesting theories tying hallucinogens to Neolithic cave paintings, with some suggesting they may even have been the trigger for expanding human consciousness 40 odd millennia ago. Certainly they seemed to play a fairly central role in most ancient societies, until really relatively recently.

    I guess Leon you are well aware of the parallels drawn by many between historic shamanistic depictions of DMT elves / fairies, and the classic modern “grey”. DMT is naturally created by the brain which opens the door to abductions being self generated hallucinations from overproduction of DMT. But that doesn’t explain radar and video data, so there are more exotic explanations out there too… If you end up meeting Mother Ayahuasca ask her what it’s all about won’t you?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    Who the hell wants to see such pics!
    Don’t answer that question.
    Some of the stuff I have seen shared on traders' chats is quite revolting. So revolting in fact that I can't bring myself to describe it.

    One of the horrible things about this case is that they were so open about sharing these pictures. One wonders what else is being shared.

    Were I a victim of a sexual assault I'm not at all confident that the police would keep the details confidential.

    Does 'trader' have a meaning beyond the usual Arthur Daley one, please?
    It could mean a market trader or City trader. It is not clear which.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    edited December 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    Not quite right

    "Jaffer you were a member of a ‘WhatsApp’ group named “covid c***s”
    and there were 10 members of that group including you."
    Apologies. There was a second one.

    See para.12 - "Jaffer you were a member of a ‘WhatsApp’ group named “covid c***s” and there were 10 members of that group including you. The others in that group were not police officers. Jaffer and Lewis you were both members of a WhatsApp group called the “A Team”. The group had some 41 members from the Metropolitan police."

    The photos were shared with both groups.

    41 members of the Met received those photos. It would be interesting to know how many of those Met officers complained or raised a concern and how many shared them with others.

    Bear in mind that these were photos of a crime scene. Quite apart from the appalling abuse of two dead girls to share photos of potential evidence outside the police force is completely unprofessional.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,855
    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    Who the hell wants to see such pics!
    Don’t answer that question.
    Some of the stuff I have seen shared on traders' chats is quite revolting. So revolting in fact that I can't bring myself to describe it.

    One of the horrible things about this case is that they were so open about sharing these pictures. One wonders what else is being shared.

    Were I a victim of a sexual assault I'm not at all confident that the police would keep the details confidential.

    Does 'trader' have a meaning beyond the usual Arthur Daley one, please?
    It could mean a market trader or City trader. It is not clear which.
    Thank you.

  • Pippa Crerar
    @PippaCrerar
    ·
    4h
    Sources told me last week there were “many social gatherings” in Downing Street - even suggesting there were “always parties” in the flat Mr Johnson shares with wife, adding: “Carrie’s addicted to them”.

    A spokesman for Mrs Johnson described the claims as "total nonsense".
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    IshmaelZ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    I know at least half a dozen people in Epstein’s black book. I’ve met maybe 2 dozen. The idea they are all pedos is QAnon territory

    If that is the sole basis for this “accusation” by Arcuri she is about to reap the libel law whirlwind

    What do you reckon, two-thirds? three quarters?
    As most of them are multimillionaires, and quite a few billionaires, I’d rein in any such commentary

    In fact I was slightly surprised to see that you were NOT on the list. Yet yer dad made it?

    Epstein knew where the real power lies. Lib Dems in Bedfordshire
    FWIW, I don't know who's in the 'Book', but as with you, I suspect I've met a fair number of them. Admittedly, they were all wearing masks at the party, so I couldn't be sure exactly who was who.
    Here’s the book

    https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.pdf

    I bet you’ve met ten or more, you might be friends with one or two, well, at least one, your dad. OK maybe none, but at least you kinda know him (your dad)

    FWIW and slightly more seriously I think the “book” is a load of old bollocks. It’s a list compiled by Epstein and Maxwell (allegedly!) of people in the USA and Europe who *might* be possible customers or punters or donors or just people they might one day hope to use. It’s a shopping list, complete with tell-tale spelling errors. Half of these people they’d never met, and never would

    That’s not to deny they did snare some big fish
    It's also *seriously* out of date. It has Rupert Soames as CEO of Misys.

    He hasn't been at Misys since 2003. And he also wasn't CEO.
    Well, yeah. The book is dated with a scribble from about 2003?

    it is a period piece, and largely bullshit at that. But that doesn’t mean it is valueless. It gives an insight into the Epstein/Maxwell?/Mossad (or whoever) operation. Their targets. Socially, financially, politically, commercially and academically influential people in NY, London and elsewhere.

    Goal? Try and get them on the Lolita Express. A free private jet flight to the Virgin Islands with Prince Andrew as a golf partner. The British Royals! Gotta be legit. Salve their anxieties. Don’t shower them with girls, yet

    Let the golf commence. Or a lunch and a lecture and some networking. All above board but plenty of booze

    In the evening, relax. Luxury food, louche music, some dancing. A very young but very pretty girl takes an interest in you. Why not? You’re a minister, mogul, top Harvard boffin, major journalist. You end up in bed. You are filmed. They show you. They have photos and videos. She, it turns out, is 17 or even 15; you, it turns out, are fucked. Epstein has you by the bollocks, and you must give him what he wants and protect him if is he in endangered by the law. In the meantime, he will supply you with more parties and more fun and more girls

    So simple, yet so effective
    There are so many questions about where his wealth kept coming from. We know he got paid a load of money from the bloke behind L Brands, which owns Victoria Secrets, there must have been loads more. He for instance granted Epstein full power of attorney over his affairs.
    Money laundering.
    Mossad
    That too. More than a hint of BCCI about him. It probably suited some authorities to have him launder money and have a hold over others.
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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,508
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    But fails to explain why a party, Labour, so brilliant that it should run the country and which came second in NS last time should be encouraging its supporters to make sure it loses even more badly this time, in a leave seat, to the ultra remain party. None of this makes any sense at all. And I still think (uncertainly) that the Tories will win it.
    I expect the conservatives to lose, but if Labour are a poor third due to tactical voting that will be a problem for Starmer to explain how they say they are coming back in the north
    In a deeply rural Midlands constituency Labour is going to come a poor third due to tactical voting and I don't think it will be a problem at all for Starmer.

    Labour's response should be something along the lines that: (1) the public is clearly disillusioned with the Conservatives and judging which party to vote for on a constituency by constituency basis (2) In OBS Labour was the beneficiary, when a tactical switch of 60% of previous LD voters clearly helped Labour to its highest vote share in the constituency for 20 years (3) In Shropshire North the position was reversed and the LDs were the beneficiary of a tactical switch by Labour supporters and that (4) while there is no formal pact between the two parties, the two results show that there is little need for one as voters who want the Conservatives out are quite capable of making appropriate tactical judgements for themselves.


    However, if the Labour vote collapses to the LDs due to tactical voting then Labour could come fourth behind ReformUK as the LDs came 4th in Old Bexley and Sidcup behind ReformUK as their voters tactically voted Labour.
    And your point? So what?
    If Labour came fifth in a Libdem win next week, they would be too busy laughing to even put out a statement.
    More likely a narrow Tory hold and if Reform UK take third and beat Labour in a seat Labour was second in in 2019 that would be a blow to Starmer
    Alright mate 👍🏻 Spin early and spin often. 😍

    Even funnier than my two hundred pounds will be seeing my brothers face at Christmas when I remind him libdems beat Conservatives. Again.

    On topic it. I bloody hope it happens

    PS I do support many things you say HYUFD
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,067
    edited December 2021
    France, new Harris Interactive poll:

    Presidential election

    Macron (LREM-RE): 23% (-1)
    Le Pen (RN-ID): 18% (-2)
    Pécresse (LR-EPP): 14% (+3)
    Zemmour (*): 14% (+1)
    Melenchon (FI): 11%
    Hidalgo (PS): 5%
    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1467997899397214212?s=20
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,508
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Grim Prediction: Eric Zemmour will end up assassinated, like Pim Fortuyn in Holland

    If that happened he would become a martyr to his supporters and the chaos that ensued could even lead to President Le Pen depending on who shot him and the counter reaction
    Was that Charles the firsts reasoning?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,198

    That said, a mate had covid recently that presented as a very mild cold. He later got an actual cold that presented as a particularly nasty dose of flu.

    What's the difference between SARS-COV2 once your immune system has seen a huge amount of the spike protein via boosted immunisation & a naive case of HCoV-OC43 ?
    One would be classed as a "cold", the other "Covid" - but which is more dangerous ?
  • Pagel speculating that we could have 90k cases a day by xmas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,067

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Grim Prediction: Eric Zemmour will end up assassinated, like Pim Fortuyn in Holland

    If that happened he would become a martyr to his supporters and the chaos that ensued could even lead to President Le Pen depending on who shot him and the counter reaction
    Was that Charles the firsts reasoning?
    Well it did eventually end up with his son Charles IInd on the throne
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,508

    Neil Henderson
    @hendopolis
    EXPRESS: Bank of England warns price rises will bite even harder #TomorrowsPapersToday

    ===

    Narrator: Only a few weeks/months ago the BoE was saying all this was transitory and nothing to see here guv.

    Why have the Express printed a believable and downbeat headline? Are they well?
    Serious questions actually.

    My Brother is moaning already people working for him will be demanding more wages because of the inflationbut they can’t have it he reckons as it’s predicted to only be a little post Covid blip.

    Surely it’s the Responsibility of the Labour Party to tell their paymaster unions to have wage restraint and not to put more fuel on inflation bonfire he said.

    But if workers get inflation pay rises to avoid real terms pay cut will it actually going to make inflation that much worse do you know?

    I told him central plank of his conservative government policy is high wage economy for everyone - so they are in no position at all to call for wage restraint 🤺
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    Who the hell wants to see such pics!
    Don’t answer that question.
    Some of the stuff I have seen shared on traders' chats is quite revolting. So revolting in fact that I can't bring myself to describe it.

    One of the horrible things about this case is that they were so open about sharing these pictures. One wonders what else is being shared.

    Were I a victim of a sexual assault I'm not at all confident that the police would keep the details confidential.

    There was a disturbing case involving the late Dixy Lee Ray, first woman governor of WA State. After the former governor died of natural causes, an autopsy (or some kind of procedure) was performed by the local county medical examiner's office. During which photos were taken, and subsequently circulated to some degree by some staff members. Totally disgusting, and strongly denounced and IIRC punished, with several losing their jobs or worse.

    Just highlighted how anyone can become the victim - or be further victimized - by official misconduct, in some cases of a kind that it's difficult to understand, let alone anticipate. Neither Dixy nor her family, or the people of Washington, deserved that kind of treatment, let alone from public officers and workers.

    Speaking of Dixy, I worked with a guy who was her campaign manager when she got elected - and four years later was the campaign manager of the challenger who defeated her for renomination, Jim McDermott; he ended up losing the general election but several years later was elected to Congress.

    Dixy never ran for office again, but just before and during her single term as governor she blazed across the Evergreen State's political firmament like a fiery meteor, blazing so hot until she ended up burning herself out.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Last night some folk were speculating about a possible Russian invasion of Finland. I note today the government chose American F-35s instead of the Swedish Jas Gripen. Maybe they judge that they’re safer with NATO-compatible gear in the current climate?

    - “Finland has spent the past five years selecting a new fighter with air-to-surface and air-to-sea capabilities to defend a 1,300-kilometer (800-mile) border with Russia, seeking to deter any aggression from its eastern neighbor. The jets will replace 64 Boeing Co. F/A-18 Hornets that will be retired in stages between 2025 and 2030, with the new aircraft set to be in service until the 2060s.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-05/finland-is-said-to-pick-lockheed-martin-f-35-jets-iltalehti

    They put up a pretty good show with our Brewster Buffalos last time it happened.
    Brewster being a US company of course! And not very successful to boot.
    The Buffalos arrived too late to take part in the Winter War but were very successful in the Continuation War (where the Finns joined in Operation Barbarossa to regain their lost territories, and more controversially, tried to take part of Soviet Karelia too). The Buffalo’s performance in the Far East was, indeed, execrable, but the Finns were supplied with an earlier variant that was a lot lighter (and so more manoeuvrable) than the planes deployed to Malaya and the Dutch East Indies, plus one of the biggest problems with the Buffalos was that they’d overheat, which was much leas of an issue in the Finnish climate.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Grim Prediction: Eric Zemmour will end up assassinated, like Pim Fortuyn in Holland

    If that happened he would become a martyr to his supporters and the chaos that ensued could even lead to President Le Pen depending on who shot him and the counter reaction
    Sadly I think it is more likely it would just lead to another shrug of the shoulders and promises of 'reform'.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Pulpstar said:

    That said, a mate had covid recently that presented as a very mild cold. He later got an actual cold that presented as a particularly nasty dose of flu.

    What's the difference between SARS-COV2 once your immune system has seen a huge amount of the spike protein via boosted immunisation & a naive case of HCoV-OC43 ?
    One would be classed as a "cold", the other "Covid" - but which is more dangerous ?
    Good question.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,508
    Cyclefree said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Sentencing remarks in the case of two police officers sent to prison for photographing the bodies of the two dead sisters they were meant to guard.

    https://twitter.com/jebadoo2/status/1467904641996308494?s=21

    I am not shocked at all to find that one of the policemen had been a trader for 20 years. And that they had a WhatsApp group called "Covid c***ts", which had 41 Met officers in it.

    Who the hell wants to see such pics!
    Don’t answer that question.
    Some of the stuff I have seen shared on traders' chats is quite revolting. So revolting in fact that I can't bring myself to describe it.

    One of the horrible things about this case is that they were so open about sharing these pictures. One wonders what else is being shared.

    Were I a victim of a sexual assault I'm not at all confident that the police would keep the details confidential.

    Does 'trader' have a meaning beyond the usual Arthur Daley one, please?
    It could mean a market trader or City trader. It is not clear which.
    I took it to mean they were like kids in playground trading footballer pictures, I’ll give you two Kane’s for your Ronaldo
    My crazy mistake
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Pagel speculating that we could have 90k cases a day by xmas.

    I’d missed that she has recently had covid, wrote a very long thread wondering how she’d caught it because she’d worn her mask and “hadn’t done much” other than swimming and shopping.

    (I wasn’t clear whether she wore her mask while swimming)
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 5,398
    From what I can pick up I think the problem with Zemmour is that he talks a good game, but doesn't have any workable policies to address the problems he has identified.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,055
    edited December 2021

    Pagel speculating that we could have 90k cases a day by xmas.

    Only 90k....normally the prediction is 2-300k....with 10,000s needing hospital treatment and 5000 deaths a day.
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