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  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Roger said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You just happened to.meet this person and he decided to tell you this unprompted.. ? Liklihood of this 0%

    I am staying with a relative in Aberdeen who had some friends over. It's quite common I think you'll find!
    I'll meet you for a pint in The White Cockade if you want.
    Is that in Aberdeen? I don't know the place too well. I'm in Forest Drive. We went to Trump's golf course this morning.
    I'm in the suburbs (kinda) - can you make it to a West End bar high roller?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,134
    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,132
    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You can only be referncing Gove
    The school doesn't have to be Aberdeen. Quite a lot of people in Aberdeen were educated elsewhere (labour mobility, or being sent to boarding school).
    The only other prominent Aberdonian politician is Theresa (unfortnately I can't remember the surname)

    RIP Theresa
    You're not getting my point - which is that the minister could have been living and/or educated somewhere completely different from Aberdeen.
    Yeah I was hoping someone could give me the surname-

    It just came to me! Tessa Jowell
    Tessa Jowell was gay?
    Bloody hell, she kept that quiet.
    No but she went to private school in Aberdeen in the same way Gove did.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You just happened to.meet this person and he decided to tell you this unprompted.. ? Liklihood of this 0%

    I am staying with a relative in Aberdeen who had some friends over. It's quite common I think you'll find!

    Of course Roger if you say so.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,134
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
  • Where I feel sorry for Michael Gove and others is that they have to be put in this situation in the first place. I know what its like in the closet, there is fear and shame and confusion. Add in being in the public spotlight and it must be hell.

    Society still needs to evolve more so that people can be who they want to be without grief.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,817
    edited November 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    Or even the actual student union.

    Also, I think the whole point about the exhibition about 'entartete Kunst' was that it was most certainly not Aryan art, at least as Hitler and his ilk saw it.

    Edit: could have been a separate exhibition on Aryan art. Bit confused by the BBC report.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    edited November 2021

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,900
    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You just happened to.meet this person and he decided to tell you this unprompted.. ? Liklihood of this 0%

    I am staying with a relative in Aberdeen who had some friends over. It's quite common I think you'll find!
    I'll meet you for a pint in The White Cockade if you want.
    Is that in Aberdeen? I don't know the place too well. I'm in Forest Drive. We went to Trump's golf course this morning.
    I'm in the suburbs (kinda) - can you make it to a West End bar high roller?
    I only arrived last night so It wouldn't be polite to eat and then go out. But if she fancies it and message here later.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,134
    edited November 2021
    Carnyx said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    Or even the actual student union.

    Also, I think the whole point about the exhibition about 'entartete Kunst' was that it was most certainly not Aryan art, at least as Hitler and his ilk saw it.

    Edit: could have been a separate exhibition on Aryan art. Bit confused by the BBC report.
    Yes - it was acceptable-to-him-and-his-ilk art iirc.

    I think you are talking about the Exhibition of Degenerate Art.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    On my one and only brief encounter with the Aberdonian I did think: hmm, maybe gay

    But FWIW an old friend of mine knows him well and says Definitely not

    DYOR, IANAL
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    It is an odd story. Why is a 61-year old mediocrity even attending a student debate?

    And even if a 61-year old mediocrity really has nothing better to do of an evening, why does he travel from his home in Sussex to go to the Cambridge Union to do a Hitler impersonation?

    Deep questions, no?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,125

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    This is exactly my view about voting Conservative.
  • Where I feel sorry for Michael Gove and others is that they have to be put in this situation in the first place. I know what its like in the closet, there is fear and shame and confusion. Add in being in the public spotlight and it must be hell.

    Society still needs to evolve more so that people can be who they want to be without grief.

    What is Gove?
    Oh, Brady don't hurt me
    Don't hurt me
    No more
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    edited November 2021
    Roger said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You just happened to.meet this person and he decided to tell you this unprompted.. ? Liklihood of this 0%

    I am staying with a relative in Aberdeen who had some friends over. It's quite common I think you'll find!
    I'll meet you for a pint in The White Cockade if you want.
    Is that in Aberdeen? I don't know the place too well. I'm in Forest Drive. We went to Trump's golf course this morning.
    I'm in the suburbs (kinda) - can you make it to a West End bar high roller?
    I only arrived last night so It wouldn't be polite to eat and then go out. But if she fancies it and message here later.
    Are you saying that you might be up for a west end bar Tonight? I've never met a PBer before (as far as I'm aware)...
  • We have not finished with the epidemic. The 5th wave has begun in Europe.
  • Leon said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    On my one and only brief encounter with the Aberdonian I did think: hmm, maybe gay

    But FWIW an old friend of mine knows him well and says Definitely not

    DYOR, IANAL
    IANAL or HeANAL?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,817
    Leon said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    On my one and only brief encounter with the Aberdonian I did think: hmm, maybe gay

    But FWIW an old friend of mine knows him well and says Definitely not

    DYOR, IANAL
    Andrew Graham-Dixon was Aberdonian by birth or education? Wiki says not. So you must mean A. Hitler.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,783

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You don't approve of it but you are not homophobic?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,125

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    It is an odd story. Why is a 61-year old mediocrity even attending a student debate?

    And even if a 61-year old mediocrity really has nothing better to do of an evening, why does he travel from his home in Sussex to go to the Cambridge Union to do a Hitler impersonation?

    Deep questions, no?
    I speak as one and yet I cannot answer.
  • JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You can only be referncing Gove
    The school doesn't have to be Aberdeen. Quite a lot of people in Aberdeen were educated elsewhere (labour mobility, or being sent to boarding school).
    The only other prominent Aberdonian politician is Theresa (unfortnately I can't remember the surname)

    RIP Theresa
    You're not getting my point - which is that the minister could have been living and/or educated somewhere completely different from Aberdeen.
    Yeah I was hoping someone could give me the surname-

    It just came to me! Tessa Jowell
    Tessa Jowell was gay?
    Bloody hell, she kept that quiet.
    No but she went to private school in Aberdeen in the same way Gove did.
    Perhaps stretching the concept of prominent politician but Anneliese Dodds went to the same school as the alleged back passage storm trooper.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,261
    The iPhone is a cruel thing. It’s just told me that on this exact day, 2 years ago, I was in Ushuaia, Argentina. 3 years ago, same day, I was in soi 4, Sukhumvit, Bangkok. Four years ago: the bat infested mountains of Yunnan. Southern China

    It is like I am forced to listen to an exultant boastful version of myself (yes yes, maybe the only version) as I gloat about how much better my life is, as compared to my life
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    It is an odd story. Why is a 61-year old mediocrity even attending a student debate?

    And even if a 61-year old mediocrity really has nothing better to do of an evening, why does he travel from his home in Sussex to go to the Cambridge Union to do a Hitler impersonation?

    Deep questions, no?
    I speak as one and yet I cannot answer.
    Outside the Cambridge Union was where @YBarddCwsc once flour-bombed Norman Tebbit.

    It may be that Andrew Graham-Dixon went to pay quiet homage.

    I was wrong, of course.

    A waste of good flour.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,804

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    Yep it’s pathetic. Some people just need to grow up a bit and accept people as they are.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kjh said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You don't approve of it but you are not homophobic?
    I expect he objects to the hijacking of the innocent and useful word "gay" from his vocabulary.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    edited November 2021

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You can only be referncing Gove
    The school doesn't have to be Aberdeen. Quite a lot of people in Aberdeen were educated elsewhere (labour mobility, or being sent to boarding school).
    The only other prominent Aberdonian politician is Theresa (unfortnately I can't remember the surname)

    RIP Theresa
    You're not getting my point - which is that the minister could have been living and/or educated somewhere completely different from Aberdeen.
    Yeah I was hoping someone could give me the surname-

    It just came to me! Tessa Jowell
    Tessa Jowell was gay?
    Bloody hell, she kept that quiet.
    No but she went to private school in Aberdeen in the same way Gove did.
    Perhaps stretching the concept of prominent politician but Anneliese Dodds went to the same school as the alleged back passage storm trooper.
    Robert Gordon's? - Well that increases my exhaustive list of famous Aberdonians-

    Anne Lennox
    The Shamen
    Michael Gove
    Tessa Jowell
    Annelise Dodds (?)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,067
    edited November 2021
    Leon said:

    The iPhone is a cruel thing. It’s just told me that on this exact day, 2 years ago, I was in Ushuaia, Argentina. 3 years ago, same day, I was in soi 4, Sukhumvit, Bangkok. Four years ago: the bat infested mountains of Yunnan. Southern China

    It is like I am forced to listen to an exultant boastful version of myself …

    That must be unbearable.
    Sympathy.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    edited November 2021
    kjh said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You don't approve of it but you are not homophobic?
    I remember a comedic piece years back which suggested homophobia was at times not a helpful term, as phobias are usually about a deep aversion to things, and there might be people who have a phobia about same sex acts, or some religious belief that it is inappropriate, or someone covering for their own urges etc. I'm not sure what other terminology would really be useful though, in practice. Motivation for the discrimination or mistreatment probably doesn't matter to the victim.

    I don't really remember the details other than the concluding joke, which was about how the person making derogatory comments about gay people might be fighting their own suppressed desires and worthy of our sympathy, or they might just be a total dick.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,134
    edited November 2021

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    It is an odd story. Why is a 61-year old mediocrity even attending a student debate?

    And even if a 61-year old mediocrity really has nothing better to do of an evening, why does he travel from his home in Sussex to go to the Cambridge Union to do a Hitler impersonation?

    Deep questions, no?
    Invited Art Historian speaker for a "Good Old Days" type debate with the audience in period costume, and a motion about Bad Taste?

    He's also an Oxford Man, it seems. And has some profile - BBC programmes etc.

    Isn't the news coverage just another potboiler in the culture wars?
  • We have not finished with the epidemic. The 5th wave has begun in Europe.

    Macron btw..

    My first message is an appeal to the 6 million of you who are not yet vaccinated: vaccinate yourself. To be able to live normally. To be free in a nation like France implies to be responsible and to show solidarity. I am counting on you.
    The booster campaign must be accelerated. From December 15, it will take the over 65s this reminder for the health pass to be valid.

    We had relaxed our efforts, we must resume them. The vaccine is not enough. In this context of recovery, we must redouble our vigilance. All flexibilities will be postponed to keep the rules in force. We are currently conducting an essential reform of unemployment insurance: it will be necessary to have worked at least six months in the last two years to be able to be compensated."
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    This is exactly my view about voting Conservative.
    I thought that was regarded more like a disease - disproportionately more likely among the old and vulnerable, and once you succumb to it its effects can linger for a long time.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You can only be referncing Gove
    The school doesn't have to be Aberdeen. Quite a lot of people in Aberdeen were educated elsewhere (labour mobility, or being sent to boarding school).
    The only other prominent Aberdonian politician is Theresa (unfortnately I can't remember the surname)

    RIP Theresa
    You're not getting my point - which is that the minister could have been living and/or educated somewhere completely different from Aberdeen.
    Yeah I was hoping someone could give me the surname-

    It just came to me! Tessa Jowell
    Tessa Jowell was gay?
    Bloody hell, she kept that quiet.
    No but she went to private school in Aberdeen in the same way Gove did.
    Perhaps stretching the concept of prominent politician but Anneliese Dodds went to the same school as the alleged back passage storm trooper.
    Robert Gordon's? - Well that increases my exhaustive list of famous Aberdonians-

    Anne Lennox
    The Shamen
    Michael Gove
    Tessa Jowell
    Annelise Dodds (?)
    Oops I missed Lord Byron.

    Whatever happened to @Byronic ?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
    You started the no thank you stuff.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,125
    Leon said:

    The iPhone is a cruel thing. It’s just told me that on this exact day, 2 years ago, I was in Ushuaia, Argentina. 3 years ago, same day, I was in soi 4, Sukhumvit, Bangkok. Four years ago: the bat infested mountains of Yunnan. Southern China

    It is like I am forced to listen to an exultant boastful version of myself (yes yes, maybe the only version) as I gloat about how much better my life is, as compared to my life

    Why not pop across to the Edinburgh Castle? See what's happening in there.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,783

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
    I have once. I was rather flattered. I suggested my wife and children might not approve. He seemed like a nice chap.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    It is an odd story. Why is a 61-year old mediocrity even attending a student debate?

    And even if a 61-year old mediocrity really has nothing better to do of an evening, why does he travel from his home in Sussex to go to the Cambridge Union to do a Hitler impersonation?

    Deep questions, no?
    Invited Art Historian speaker for a "Good Old Days" type debate with the audience in period costume, and a motion about Bad Taste?

    And he went !!

    For a "Good Old Days" type debate with the audience in period costume

    You mean, an audience of pimply Cambridge undergraduates in period costume.

    What sane person would inflict that spectacle upon themselves?

    I would rather be in a dark Aberdonian nightclub, roofied out of my mind, and dancing with a senior member of the cabinet.
  • Leon said:

    The iPhone is a cruel thing. It’s just told me that on this exact day, 2 years ago, I was in Ushuaia, Argentina. 3 years ago, same day, I was in soi 4, Sukhumvit, Bangkok. Four years ago: the bat infested mountains of Yunnan. Southern China

    It is like I am forced to listen to an exultant boastful version of myself (yes yes, maybe the only version) as I gloat about how much better my life is, as compared to my life

    I don't think anybody reckons you're the only version.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,125

    kinabalu said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    It is an odd story. Why is a 61-year old mediocrity even attending a student debate?

    And even if a 61-year old mediocrity really has nothing better to do of an evening, why does he travel from his home in Sussex to go to the Cambridge Union to do a Hitler impersonation?

    Deep questions, no?
    I speak as one and yet I cannot answer.
    Outside the Cambridge Union was where @YBarddCwsc once flour-bombed Norman Tebbit.

    It may be that Andrew Graham-Dixon went to pay quiet homage.

    I was wrong, of course.

    A waste of good flour.
    Forget the punting and the may ball, that sounds like a genuine highlight.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Stocky said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:
    But with theirs on the way up and ours on the way down.

    Thank goodness we resisted the siren call to use masks and other NPIs etc during the summer and autumn.
    Theirs have been rising and ours have been falling is fairer. If you want to make predictions about where case numbers are going, that's your business. I won't follow you there.
    All you need to remember is that the high number of Covid cases and deaths in the UK is completely immaterial; it's the end of lockdown that counts. But in countries other than the UK, high numbers of cases and deaths are a sign of doom and massive governmental incompetence. That's right, isn't it?
    Re: other countries, high numbers of cases and deaths may be an indication of bad decision-making if accompanied by more draconian measures than us. Worst of both worlds sort of thing.
    In terms of Denmark v the UK, here's the stringency index over time, that shows that most of the time, the UK has had more stringent restrictions than Denmark: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&country=GBR~DNK
    The UK has no legal restrictions currently so why are they rating the UK as a 41.2 at the moment?

    Though I see its based upon the 'strictest sub-region' so that would include any restrictions by Holyrood etc as "UK".
    I was wrong to use the word restrictions. It's wider than just prohibitions.
    Additional: I've been digging into the data a little and it's troubling. The current value for face coverings in England is listed as "2". In Scotland it's "3". The levels are:
    0- No policy
    1- Recommended
    2- Required in some specified shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present, or some situations when social distancing not possible
    3- Required in all shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present or all situations when social distancing not possible

    This seems wrong, to me. As I understand it, the mask level should be at most "1" for England.

    I withdraw any point I have made about the stringency index until and unless I find out that this is my mistake and not theirs.
    Face masks are required on public transport in England so that would fit with being a 2.

    I opened your document but couldn't work out where to go for the "executive summary".

    Seems a lot in there.
    No they're not.

    Face masks are not legally required in public transport in England. TFL don't make the law.

    I believe they are legally required in care homes and some other healthcare settings though.
    They should be compulsory on the tube and enforced by the law rather than tfl's ire (no fault of theirs)
    Why?

    No they shouldn't. Just because TFL have overreached doesn't mean it should be the law.
    Why? - The tube is a special case of ridiculously close contact in an unventilated space.
    So what?

    If people choose to wear a mask then, that's their choice. If they don't, ditto. That's the law as it is and as it should be.

    The guidance to wear masks should be dropped.
    It's one of the most likely places for infection. It's an easy line to draw too. Until the spring we should wear masks where we can and where it's sensible. It's really not so tough.
    It really is.

    Stopping infection isn't something we should be doing with NPIs. That's last year's policy.

    We have PIs now. Its time to live with the fact that infections happen, not try to prevent them.
    Good god. Work with what I've said rather than what you want to think I've said.
    Did you say that they should be mandated by law to prevent infections?

    The law shouldn't be seeking to prevent infections in the community. People should be getting vaccinated.
    Yes I agree. However where there are obvious infection hotspots they should be enforced.

    I imagine the tube could be higher than nighclubs in the potential risk. Nightclubs are open or they're not, and nothing at all you can do. With the tube there's everything you can do to reduce unfection.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,132
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    Well - has it ever been put on by a university student group?

    The ADC is Cambridge probably puts on - what - two dozen plays a year. But most of them will contain three or four actors and will have minimal sets and production value. (This is student theatre.)

    Big musicals just aren't that common in a student theatre environment. I'm pretty sure there's never been a production of Cats at the ADC, but that's not because of the political content of the work, it's because it's a bit big an undertaking.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549

    I am a late Gen Xer, but definitely Gen X.

    Our formative experiences stretch roughly from Michael Jackson’s “Thriller”, through to “The Simpsons”, to dial-up Internet, 9/11 and the Iraq War.

    Same with me. Never watched the Simpsons though.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,403
    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
    I have once. I was rather flattered. I suggested my wife and children might not approve. He seemed like a nice chap.
    A guy I spent a fair bit of time with as a post doc at Leeds came out, and described his type as basically me. Turned out I’d been out on several dates without realising... Really nice guy, no idea where he is now.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    It is an odd story. Why is a 61-year old mediocrity even attending a student debate?

    And even if a 61-year old mediocrity really has nothing better to do of an evening, why does he travel from his home in Sussex to go to the Cambridge Union to do a Hitler impersonation?

    Deep questions, no?
    Invited Art Historian speaker for a "Good Old Days" type debate with the audience in period costume, and a motion about Bad Taste?

    And he went !!

    For a "Good Old Days" type debate with the audience in period costume

    You mean, an audience of pimply Cambridge undergraduates in period costume.

    What sane person would inflict that spectacle upon themselves?

    I would rather be in a dark Aberdonian nightclub, roofied out of my mind, and dancing with a senior member of the cabinet.
    That's very interesting. If you were an undergraduate prior to 1984 you have no business aping da yoof by going on about being "roofied;" if later, your flour-bombing of Tebbit has to be construed as an immensely witty and tasteful allusion to events in Brighton.
  • @Anna_Mazz
    The first recorded use of ABRACADABRA. In a malaria cure. It’s in the bottom triangle and is reduced by a letter at a time, thus killing off the disease. Foolproof.
    https://twitter.com/Anna_Mazz/status/1458153852453146626

  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,783
    kle4 said:

    kjh said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You don't approve of it but you are not homophobic?
    I remember a comedic piece years back which suggested homophobia was at times not a helpful term, as phobias are usually about a deep aversion to things, and there might be people who have a phobia about same sex acts, or some religious belief that it is inappropriate, or someone covering for their own urges etc. I'm not sure what other terminology would really be useful though, in practice. Motivation for the discrimination or mistreatment probably doesn't matter to the victim.

    I don't really remember the details other than the concluding joke, which was about how the person making derogatory comments about gay people might be fighting their own suppressed desires and worthy of our sympathy, or they might just be a total dick.
    The irony is that Gove's predecessor Nick Hawkins was deselected when he left his wife for a Conservative councillor (female). There was more to the deselected than that. Conservative councillors were approached for their opinions by the press. Most gave very sensible replies, but one commented 'well at least he didn't leave his wife for a man'. Presumably that councillor will be somewhat peeved now.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    It is an odd story. Why is a 61-year old mediocrity even attending a student debate?

    And even if a 61-year old mediocrity really has nothing better to do of an evening, why does he travel from his home in Sussex to go to the Cambridge Union to do a Hitler impersonation?

    Deep questions, no?
    Invited Art Historian speaker for a "Good Old Days" type debate with the audience in period costume, and a motion about Bad Taste?

    And he went !!

    For a "Good Old Days" type debate with the audience in period costume

    You mean, an audience of pimply Cambridge undergraduates in period costume.

    What sane person would inflict that spectacle upon themselves?

    I would rather be in a dark Aberdonian nightclub, roofied out of my mind, and dancing with a senior member of the cabinet.
    That's very interesting. If you were an undergraduate prior to 1984 you have no business aping da yoof by going on about being "roofied;" if later, your flour-bombing of Tebbit has to be construed as an immensely witty and tasteful allusion to events in Brighton.
    I can use roofied. Anyone can use roofied.

    Do you police the language?
  • JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You can only be referncing Gove
    The school doesn't have to be Aberdeen. Quite a lot of people in Aberdeen were educated elsewhere (labour mobility, or being sent to boarding school).
    The only other prominent Aberdonian politician is Theresa (unfortnately I can't remember the surname)

    RIP Theresa
    You're not getting my point - which is that the minister could have been living and/or educated somewhere completely different from Aberdeen.
    Yeah I was hoping someone could give me the surname-

    It just came to me! Tessa Jowell
    Tessa Jowell was gay?
    Bloody hell, she kept that quiet.
    No but she went to private school in Aberdeen in the same way Gove did.
    Perhaps stretching the concept of prominent politician but Anneliese Dodds went to the same school as the alleged back passage storm trooper.
    Robert Gordon's? - Well that increases my exhaustive list of famous Aberdonians-

    Anne Lennox
    The Shamen
    Michael Gove
    Tessa Jowell
    Annelise Dodds (?)
    Oops I missed Lord Byron.

    Whatever happened to @Byronic ?
    My house was Byron at AGS.
    PE in the pool under Mr C*nto F*****er was akin to swimming the Hellespont.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    edited November 2021

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
    Yes, twice. I said no thank you, I'm not gay.

    By contrast, my wife has been propositioned by unsavoury heterosexual men on hundreds of occasions, starting when she was about 13 years old.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,783

    kjh said:

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
    I have once. I was rather flattered. I suggested my wife and children might not approve. He seemed like a nice chap.
    A guy I spent a fair bit of time with as a post doc at Leeds came out, and described his type as basically me. Turned out I’d been out on several dates without realising... Really nice guy, no idea where he is now.
    I liked, but had to comment as that had me rolling around laughing.
  • Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Stocky said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:
    But with theirs on the way up and ours on the way down.

    Thank goodness we resisted the siren call to use masks and other NPIs etc during the summer and autumn.
    Theirs have been rising and ours have been falling is fairer. If you want to make predictions about where case numbers are going, that's your business. I won't follow you there.
    All you need to remember is that the high number of Covid cases and deaths in the UK is completely immaterial; it's the end of lockdown that counts. But in countries other than the UK, high numbers of cases and deaths are a sign of doom and massive governmental incompetence. That's right, isn't it?
    Re: other countries, high numbers of cases and deaths may be an indication of bad decision-making if accompanied by more draconian measures than us. Worst of both worlds sort of thing.
    In terms of Denmark v the UK, here's the stringency index over time, that shows that most of the time, the UK has had more stringent restrictions than Denmark: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&country=GBR~DNK
    The UK has no legal restrictions currently so why are they rating the UK as a 41.2 at the moment?

    Though I see its based upon the 'strictest sub-region' so that would include any restrictions by Holyrood etc as "UK".
    I was wrong to use the word restrictions. It's wider than just prohibitions.
    Additional: I've been digging into the data a little and it's troubling. The current value for face coverings in England is listed as "2". In Scotland it's "3". The levels are:
    0- No policy
    1- Recommended
    2- Required in some specified shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present, or some situations when social distancing not possible
    3- Required in all shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present or all situations when social distancing not possible

    This seems wrong, to me. As I understand it, the mask level should be at most "1" for England.

    I withdraw any point I have made about the stringency index until and unless I find out that this is my mistake and not theirs.
    Face masks are required on public transport in England so that would fit with being a 2.

    I opened your document but couldn't work out where to go for the "executive summary".

    Seems a lot in there.
    No they're not.

    Face masks are not legally required in public transport in England. TFL don't make the law.

    I believe they are legally required in care homes and some other healthcare settings though.
    They should be compulsory on the tube and enforced by the law rather than tfl's ire (no fault of theirs)
    Why?

    No they shouldn't. Just because TFL have overreached doesn't mean it should be the law.
    Why? - The tube is a special case of ridiculously close contact in an unventilated space.
    So what?

    If people choose to wear a mask then, that's their choice. If they don't, ditto. That's the law as it is and as it should be.

    The guidance to wear masks should be dropped.
    It's one of the most likely places for infection. It's an easy line to draw too. Until the spring we should wear masks where we can and where it's sensible. It's really not so tough.
    It really is.

    Stopping infection isn't something we should be doing with NPIs. That's last year's policy.

    We have PIs now. Its time to live with the fact that infections happen, not try to prevent them.
    Good god. Work with what I've said rather than what you want to think I've said.
    Did you say that they should be mandated by law to prevent infections?

    The law shouldn't be seeking to prevent infections in the community. People should be getting vaccinated.
    Yes I agree. However where there are obvious infection hotspots they should be enforced.

    I imagine the tube could be higher than nighclubs in the potential risk. Nightclubs are open or they're not, and nothing at all you can do. With the tube there's everything you can do to reduce unfection.
    Why should it be enforced by law? For what reason?

    It people don't want to take chances they can avoid risky areas. That's their choice. But we shouldn't have the state making our choices for us.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You can only be referncing Gove
    The school doesn't have to be Aberdeen. Quite a lot of people in Aberdeen were educated elsewhere (labour mobility, or being sent to boarding school).
    The only other prominent Aberdonian politician is Theresa (unfortnately I can't remember the surname)

    RIP Theresa
    You're not getting my point - which is that the minister could have been living and/or educated somewhere completely different from Aberdeen.
    Yeah I was hoping someone could give me the surname-

    It just came to me! Tessa Jowell
    Tessa Jowell was gay?
    Bloody hell, she kept that quiet.
    No but she went to private school in Aberdeen in the same way Gove did.
    Perhaps stretching the concept of prominent politician but Anneliese Dodds went to the same school as the alleged back passage storm trooper.
    Robert Gordon's? - Well that increases my exhaustive list of famous Aberdonians-

    Anne Lennox
    The Shamen
    Michael Gove
    Tessa Jowell
    Annelise Dodds (?)
    Oops I missed Lord Byron.

    Whatever happened to @Byronic ?
    My house was Byron at AGS.
    PE in the pool under Mr C*nto F*****er was akin to swimming the Hellespont.
    My dad went to Grammar (ironically not an actual Grammar, non-Aberdonians)

    More importantly-

    Is Roger really in Aberdeen?

    Should I meet him for a pint?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,616
    There's an extraordinarily overwrought piece in the Atlantic about a journalist's experience of testing positive for covid. It's written as if he had a near death experience but then says he's "probably been sicker 15 times as an adult".

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/11/the-worlds-only-normal-until-you-test-positive/620653/
  • kjh said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You don't approve of it but you are not homophobic?
    He wants to outlaw Banal Sex :lol:
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,134
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    Well - has it ever been put on by a university student group?

    The ADC is Cambridge probably puts on - what - two dozen plays a year. But most of them will contain three or four actors and will have minimal sets and production value. (This is student theatre.)

    Big musicals just aren't that common in a student theatre environment. I'm pretty sure there's never been a production of Cats at the ADC, but that's not because of the political content of the work, it's because it's a bit big an undertaking.
    Seems that Eton did it :smile:
    https://www.etoncollege.com/news-and-diary/school-news/broadway-comes-to-eton/
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758

    @Anna_Mazz
    The first recorded use of ABRACADABRA. In a malaria cure. It’s in the bottom triangle and is reduced by a letter at a time, thus killing off the disease. Foolproof.
    https://twitter.com/Anna_Mazz/status/1458153852453146626

    It doesn't seem to be just a stripping away of a letter every time though. A syllable every time? To my eye there's a step which doesn't have a missing syllable, but that'd be consistent with my just not knowing.

    There must be meaning in these wors though, otherwise why bother.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,132

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
    Yes, twice. I said no thank you, I'm not gay.

    By contrast, my wife has been propositioned by unsavoury heterosexual men on hundreds of occasions, starting when she was about 13 years old.
    How many time has she been propositioned by savoury heterosexual men, of the kind you might find on this site?
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
    Yes, twice. I said no thank you, I'm not gay.

    By contrast, my wife has been propositioned by unsavoury heterosexual men on hundreds of occasions, starting when she was about 13 years old.
    Which is exactly why any man who chooses to do so should be allowed to put a skirt on and nip into the ladies.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,132
    edited November 2021

    There's an extraordinarily overwrought piece in the Atlantic about a journalist's experience of testing positive for covid. It's written as if he had a near death experience but then says he's "probably been sicker 15 times as an adult".

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/11/the-worlds-only-normal-until-you-test-positive/620653/

    That is insanely overwrought.

    TL;DR; person gets not very sick with Covid but treats it like having the plague. Oh yes, and he has a nonbinary eight year old.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,403

    There's an extraordinarily overwrought piece in the Atlantic about a journalist's experience of testing positive for covid. It's written as if he had a near death experience but then says he's "probably been sicker 15 times as an adult".

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/11/the-worlds-only-normal-until-you-test-positive/620653/

    Someone has not embraced the new reality of endemic Covid. I note they are in the US, so that is different.
  • Omnium said:

    @Anna_Mazz
    The first recorded use of ABRACADABRA. In a malaria cure. It’s in the bottom triangle and is reduced by a letter at a time, thus killing off the disease. Foolproof.
    https://twitter.com/Anna_Mazz/status/1458153852453146626

    It doesn't seem to be just a stripping away of a letter every time though. A syllable every time? To my eye there's a step which doesn't have a missing syllable, but that'd be consistent with my just not knowing.

    There must be meaning in these wors though, otherwise why bother.
    I think the last word above the abracadabra triangle is depellendo, which is the gerund of depellere, to expel; so 'to be expelled', but I can't work out the word before it.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758
    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    This seems like the wrong conclusion.

    What's this 'proving gayness' thing?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    Leon said:

    The iPhone is a cruel thing. It’s just told me that on this exact day, 2 years ago, I was in Ushuaia, Argentina. 3 years ago, same day, I was in soi 4, Sukhumvit, Bangkok. Four years ago: the bat infested mountains of Yunnan. Southern China

    It is like I am forced to listen to an exultant boastful version of myself (yes yes, maybe the only version) as I gloat about how much better my life is, as compared to my life

    I’m trying to remember anything interesting about Soi 4, Sukhumvit.
  • JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Carnyx said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    You can only be referncing Gove
    The school doesn't have to be Aberdeen. Quite a lot of people in Aberdeen were educated elsewhere (labour mobility, or being sent to boarding school).
    The only other prominent Aberdonian politician is Theresa (unfortnately I can't remember the surname)

    RIP Theresa
    You're not getting my point - which is that the minister could have been living and/or educated somewhere completely different from Aberdeen.
    Yeah I was hoping someone could give me the surname-

    It just came to me! Tessa Jowell
    Tessa Jowell was gay?
    Bloody hell, she kept that quiet.
    No but she went to private school in Aberdeen in the same way Gove did.
    Perhaps stretching the concept of prominent politician but Anneliese Dodds went to the same school as the alleged back passage storm trooper.
    Robert Gordon's? - Well that increases my exhaustive list of famous Aberdonians-

    Anne Lennox
    The Shamen
    Michael Gove
    Tessa Jowell
    Annelise Dodds (?)
    Oops I missed Lord Byron.

    Whatever happened to @Byronic ?
    My house was Byron at AGS.
    PE in the pool under Mr C*nto F*****er was akin to swimming the Hellespont.
    My dad went to Grammar (ironically not an actual Grammar, non-Aberdonians)

    More importantly-

    Is Roger really in Aberdeen?

    Should I meet him for a pint?
    He definitely has connections in the North East. I'm sure he'd be charming company, but perhaps not the White Cockade..
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,132
    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    Well - has it ever been put on by a university student group?

    The ADC is Cambridge probably puts on - what - two dozen plays a year. But most of them will contain three or four actors and will have minimal sets and production value. (This is student theatre.)

    Big musicals just aren't that common in a student theatre environment. I'm pretty sure there's never been a production of Cats at the ADC, but that's not because of the political content of the work, it's because it's a bit big an undertaking.
    Seems that Eton did it :smile:
    https://www.etoncollege.com/news-and-diary/school-news/broadway-comes-to-eton/
    Big school productions are much more common that big University ones, no? They fit the "everyone gets a role" that you need at school. While at University, the number of people who want tiny supporting roles in student productions is going to be limited.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    An utterly disgusting post. Up the ARSE, please.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,403
    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    Please, we have standards on PB.

    It’s arse.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,132
    edited November 2021
    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    A video of you masturbating to gay porn will suffice.

    Edit to add: we will also need to see videos of you not being aroused by heterosexual porn.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    An utterly disgusting post. Up the ARSE, please.
    My ELBOW is better :lol:
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758

    Omnium said:

    @Anna_Mazz
    The first recorded use of ABRACADABRA. In a malaria cure. It’s in the bottom triangle and is reduced by a letter at a time, thus killing off the disease. Foolproof.
    https://twitter.com/Anna_Mazz/status/1458153852453146626

    It doesn't seem to be just a stripping away of a letter every time though. A syllable every time? To my eye there's a step which doesn't have a missing syllable, but that'd be consistent with my just not knowing.

    There must be meaning in these wors though, otherwise why bother.
    I think the last word above the abracadabra triangle is depellendo, which is the gerund of depellere, to expel; so 'to be expelled', but I can't work out the word before it.
    Ah so maybe a 'spell'.

    Should you find out more do let me know.
  • JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    Paris Lees is a woman!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    edited November 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
    Yes, twice. I said no thank you, I'm not gay.

    By contrast, my wife has been propositioned by unsavoury heterosexual men on hundreds of occasions, starting when she was about 13 years old.
    How many time has she been propositioned by savoury heterosexual men, of the kind you might find on this site?
    Quite a few, but not sure that there are that many on this site (apart from me, of course). It's a bit of a lads banter club on here, and she's not keen on laddish blokes.

    But I was trying to make a serious point that predatory gay men are hugely insignificant when compared to predatory heterosexual men, who ensure that attractive women face a considerable, even daily, amount of unwanted attention.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Omnium said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    This seems like the wrong conclusion.

    What's this 'proving gayness' thing?
    I thought the way the debate was leening was that all women (??) had to take it up the ass to prove they're not homophobic.

    PS-

    I'm a man and don't fancy black women ;)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871


    Why should it be enforced by law? For what reason?

    It people don't want to take chances they can avoid risky areas. That's their choice. But we shouldn't have the state making our choices for us.

    I'm all for personal responsibility but unfortunately we all too often have personal irresponsibility. Individuals who are clearly sick or unwell travelling round and infecting other people.

    Why is this? Are they callous uncaring individuals? Possibly or could it be they have the kind of employment where if they don't work they don't get paid and they can't afford to miss a day's pay as they have children to feed or rent to pay?

    Perhaps they have the kind of employment where if they don't report for work it's not a question of not being paid - it's a question of being sacked.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,132

    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    Paris Lees is a woman!
    I can't find her on Redtube. Does anyone have a link?
  • rcs1000 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    Paris Lees is a woman!
    I can't find her on Redtube. Does anyone have a link?
    Xtube, on the other hand, was recently shut down :(
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Anyone heard from @Casino_Royale? Not seen him lately.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    Omnium said:

    @Anna_Mazz
    The first recorded use of ABRACADABRA. In a malaria cure. It’s in the bottom triangle and is reduced by a letter at a time, thus killing off the disease. Foolproof.
    https://twitter.com/Anna_Mazz/status/1458153852453146626

    It doesn't seem to be just a stripping away of a letter every time though. A syllable every time? To my eye there's a step which doesn't have a missing syllable, but that'd be consistent with my just not knowing.

    There must be meaning in these wors though, otherwise why bother.
    Manuscript writing could be pretty boring.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    Moving on from simplistic solutions to complex problems:

    Evening all :)

    The good news is Mrs Stodge and I have booked our booster vaccinations. Have to say the NHS website perfectly good and easy to use. That's the good news.

    The bad news is we can't get our booster vaccination in East Ham - the options are Manor Park or Barking. That's not a problem for us but it will be a problem for others in my area. Perhaps one of the issues with low take-up in some areas is the paucity of places where vaccinations can be administered.

    When the mass vaccination programme was under way, we went to Excel (the exhibition centre, not the spreadsheet) and there was a walk-in at Newham Town Hall. For the boosters, the options seem much more limited and concentrated on pharmacies. At a time when we should be getting as many people as possible t get their third vaccination, it seems curious we are limiting the opportunities to get those vaccinations.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,030
    edited November 2021
    My granddaughter is home for a couple of days from University and has gone to the cinema tonight in Llandudno.

    The family have just received a text from the cinema to say that from 15th November vaccine passports will be required

    I noticed there was a very angry crowd of business owners and others outside the Senedd tonight demonstrating about the imposition of this scheme as many will not only lose business but also to across the border in England

    Just as covid is showing signs of moving to an endemic this Welsh Government under Corbynista Drakeford has caused anger and chaos in the entertainment community and with Christmas just 6 weeks away
  • Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Stocky said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:
    But with theirs on the way up and ours on the way down.

    Thank goodness we resisted the siren call to use masks and other NPIs etc during the summer and autumn.
    Theirs have been rising and ours have been falling is fairer. If you want to make predictions about where case numbers are going, that's your business. I won't follow you there.
    All you need to remember is that the high number of Covid cases and deaths in the UK is completely immaterial; it's the end of lockdown that counts. But in countries other than the UK, high numbers of cases and deaths are a sign of doom and massive governmental incompetence. That's right, isn't it?
    Re: other countries, high numbers of cases and deaths may be an indication of bad decision-making if accompanied by more draconian measures than us. Worst of both worlds sort of thing.
    In terms of Denmark v the UK, here's the stringency index over time, that shows that most of the time, the UK has had more stringent restrictions than Denmark: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&country=GBR~DNK
    The UK has no legal restrictions currently so why are they rating the UK as a 41.2 at the moment?

    Though I see its based upon the 'strictest sub-region' so that would include any restrictions by Holyrood etc as "UK".
    I was wrong to use the word restrictions. It's wider than just prohibitions.
    Additional: I've been digging into the data a little and it's troubling. The current value for face coverings in England is listed as "2". In Scotland it's "3". The levels are:
    0- No policy
    1- Recommended
    2- Required in some specified shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present, or some situations when social distancing not possible
    3- Required in all shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present or all situations when social distancing not possible

    This seems wrong, to me. As I understand it, the mask level should be at most "1" for England.

    I withdraw any point I have made about the stringency index until and unless I find out that this is my mistake and not theirs.
    Face masks are required on public transport in England so that would fit with being a 2.

    I opened your document but couldn't work out where to go for the "executive summary".

    Seems a lot in there.
    No they're not.

    Face masks are not legally required in public transport in England. TFL don't make the law.

    I believe they are legally required in care homes and some other healthcare settings though.
    They should be compulsory on the tube and enforced by the law rather than tfl's ire (no fault of theirs)
    Why?

    No they shouldn't. Just because TFL have overreached doesn't mean it should be the law.
    Why? - The tube is a special case of ridiculously close contact in an unventilated space.
    So what?

    If people choose to wear a mask then, that's their choice. If they don't, ditto. That's the law as it is and as it should be.

    The guidance to wear masks should be dropped.
    It's one of the most likely places for infection. It's an easy line to draw too. Until the spring we should wear masks where we can and where it's sensible. It's really not so tough.
    It really is.

    Stopping infection isn't something we should be doing with NPIs. That's last year's policy.

    We have PIs now. Its time to live with the fact that infections happen, not try to prevent them.
    Good god. Work with what I've said rather than what you want to think I've said.
    Did you say that they should be mandated by law to prevent infections?

    The law shouldn't be seeking to prevent infections in the community. People should be getting vaccinated.
    Yes I agree. However where there are obvious infection hotspots they should be enforced.

    I imagine the tube could be higher than nighclubs in the potential risk. Nightclubs are open or they're not, and nothing at all you can do. With the tube there's everything you can do to reduce unfection.
    I went to Stratford and then Epping today on the Central Line, I wore a mask. Stopped really caring if other passengers wear them though. Luckily it was lunch time, so there were hardly any people around.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758
    JBriskin3 said:

    Omnium said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    This seems like the wrong conclusion.

    What's this 'proving gayness' thing?
    I thought the way the debate was leening was that all women (??) had to take it up the ass to prove they're not homophobic.

    PS-

    I'm a man and don't fancy black women ;)
    I'd not read too much into the "debate" if that's the case. I'm pretty sure you can work out your place in the world to suit you. And if you're fine with it then so am I.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Quite chastening to see homophobia alive and well on PB, in the shape of @squareroot2 . Don’t think we have had a open homophobe on here since the dark days of HD2. That bigoted Justin chap probably comes the closest, with his retrograde views on premarital sex.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Omnium said:

    @Anna_Mazz
    The first recorded use of ABRACADABRA. In a malaria cure. It’s in the bottom triangle and is reduced by a letter at a time, thus killing off the disease. Foolproof.
    https://twitter.com/Anna_Mazz/status/1458153852453146626

    It doesn't seem to be just a stripping away of a letter every time though. A syllable every time? To my eye there's a step which doesn't have a missing syllable, but that'd be consistent with my just not knowing.

    There must be meaning in these wors though, otherwise why bother.
    I think the last word above the abracadabra triangle is depellendo, which is the gerund of depellere, to expel; so 'to be expelled', but I can't work out the word before it.
    If you go up two lines, I think the poem says the fever depelli carmine posse, can be driven out by a song (i.e. the abracabra chant). The words above the triangle are a sort of chapter heading - first word is De, can't read the second one either.
  • rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I'm in Aberdeen at the moment and came across someone who went to school with a prominent member of the cabinet. He expressed surprise (and I quote) "that it was so little known he was a back passage storm trooper"

    I was just taken by the expression which I haven't heard before. It would be tasteless to name names.
    Without wishing to sound "woke", I am always slightly amused at the attempts at witty derogatory terminology for gay people by the rabidly homophobic. It merely highlights their own very vanilla, dull sex lives.
    I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you.
    You can say no thank you without judging those who do enjoy it, though.
    Sometimes no thank-you isnt enough. Have you ever been propositioned?
    Yes, twice. I said no thank you, I'm not gay.

    By contrast, my wife has been propositioned by unsavoury heterosexual men on hundreds of occasions, starting when she was about 13 years old.
    How many time has she been propositioned by savoury heterosexual men, of the kind you might find on this site?
    Once you've tried unsavoury you can't go back to savoury.
    (pats self on back for managing two John Shuttleworth references in one day).
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Omnium said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Omnium said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    This sexuality debate is confusing me a bit now.

    So, to prove my gayness, I have to fuck Paris Lees up the ass??

    This seems like the wrong conclusion.

    What's this 'proving gayness' thing?
    I thought the way the debate was leening was that all women (??) had to take it up the ass to prove they're not homophobic.

    PS-

    I'm a man and don't fancy black women ;)
    I'd not read too much into the "debate" if that's the case. I'm pretty sure you can work out your place in the world to suit you. And if you're fine with it then so am I.

    I've been trying to play the-

    Reductio ad absurdum card for while. Which, is obviously a bit silly given where the MSM are in the debate.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Stocky said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:
    But with theirs on the way up and ours on the way down.

    Thank goodness we resisted the siren call to use masks and other NPIs etc during the summer and autumn.
    Theirs have been rising and ours have been falling is fairer. If you want to make predictions about where case numbers are going, that's your business. I won't follow you there.
    All you need to remember is that the high number of Covid cases and deaths in the UK is completely immaterial; it's the end of lockdown that counts. But in countries other than the UK, high numbers of cases and deaths are a sign of doom and massive governmental incompetence. That's right, isn't it?
    Re: other countries, high numbers of cases and deaths may be an indication of bad decision-making if accompanied by more draconian measures than us. Worst of both worlds sort of thing.
    In terms of Denmark v the UK, here's the stringency index over time, that shows that most of the time, the UK has had more stringent restrictions than Denmark: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&country=GBR~DNK
    The UK has no legal restrictions currently so why are they rating the UK as a 41.2 at the moment?

    Though I see its based upon the 'strictest sub-region' so that would include any restrictions by Holyrood etc as "UK".
    I was wrong to use the word restrictions. It's wider than just prohibitions.
    Additional: I've been digging into the data a little and it's troubling. The current value for face coverings in England is listed as "2". In Scotland it's "3". The levels are:
    0- No policy
    1- Recommended
    2- Required in some specified shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present, or some situations when social distancing not possible
    3- Required in all shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present or all situations when social distancing not possible

    This seems wrong, to me. As I understand it, the mask level should be at most "1" for England.

    I withdraw any point I have made about the stringency index until and unless I find out that this is my mistake and not theirs.
    Face masks are required on public transport in England so that would fit with being a 2.

    I opened your document but couldn't work out where to go for the "executive summary".

    Seems a lot in there.
    No they're not.

    Face masks are not legally required in public transport in England. TFL don't make the law.

    I believe they are legally required in care homes and some other healthcare settings though.
    They should be compulsory on the tube and enforced by the law rather than tfl's ire (no fault of theirs)
    Why?

    No they shouldn't. Just because TFL have overreached doesn't mean it should be the law.
    Why? - The tube is a special case of ridiculously close contact in an unventilated space.
    So what?

    If people choose to wear a mask then, that's their choice. If they don't, ditto. That's the law as it is and as it should be.

    The guidance to wear masks should be dropped.
    It's one of the most likely places for infection. It's an easy line to draw too. Until the spring we should wear masks where we can and where it's sensible. It's really not so tough.
    It really is.

    Stopping infection isn't something we should be doing with NPIs. That's last year's policy.

    We have PIs now. Its time to live with the fact that infections happen, not try to prevent them.
    Good god. Work with what I've said rather than what you want to think I've said.
    Did you say that they should be mandated by law to prevent infections?

    The law shouldn't be seeking to prevent infections in the community. People should be getting vaccinated.
    Yes I agree. However where there are obvious infection hotspots they should be enforced.

    I imagine the tube could be higher than nighclubs in the potential risk. Nightclubs are open or they're not, and nothing at all you can do. With the tube there's everything you can do to reduce unfection.
    I went to Stratford and then Epping today on the Central Line, I wore a mask. Stopped really caring if other passengers wear them though. Luckily it was lunch time, so there were hardly any people around.
    In your railway journies have you ever sought out crowded commuter services? If I was a railway completist I'd have to experience the Northern line going south at 6pm for example. If I was sane I'd go nowhere near.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    Quite chastening to see homophobia alive and well on PB, in the shape of @squareroot2 . Don’t think we have had a open homophobe on here since the dark days of HD2. That bigoted Justin chap probably comes the closest, with his retrograde views on premarital sex.

    Sorry - Strongly Disagree

    All that @squareroot2 said is that he/she wasn't up for Anal Sex for him/herself.

    HOW THE FUCK IS THAT HOMOPHOBIC

    It makes him vanilla at the worst.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,134
    IshmaelZ said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    Catching up on the Cambridge Union ("Defending Free Debate") mess, banning someone for performing Hitler setting up his Arian art exhibition as evidence of the existence of bad taste, who has now been banned for life (if it sticks) for being 'offensive'.

    When did Cambridge Uni last put The Producers on?

    Cambridge Union Society is not part of the University.
    I know.

    But when was it last put on in the Uni environment; I'm just interested how the twit-demographic would (or did) react.
    It is an odd story. Why is a 61-year old mediocrity even attending a student debate?

    And even if a 61-year old mediocrity really has nothing better to do of an evening, why does he travel from his home in Sussex to go to the Cambridge Union to do a Hitler impersonation?

    Deep questions, no?
    Invited Art Historian speaker for a "Good Old Days" type debate with the audience in period costume, and a motion about Bad Taste?

    And he went !!

    For a "Good Old Days" type debate with the audience in period costume

    You mean, an audience of pimply Cambridge undergraduates in period costume.

    What sane person would inflict that spectacle upon themselves?

    I would rather be in a dark Aberdonian nightclub, roofied out of my mind, and dancing with a senior member of the cabinet.
    That's very interesting. If you were an undergraduate prior to 1984 you have no business aping da yoof by going on about being "roofied;" if later, your flour-bombing of Tebbit has to be construed as an immensely witty and tasteful allusion to events in Brighton.
    Link to the speech.
    https://youtu.be/h5cXXE3jlpc?t=645
  • Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    @Anna_Mazz
    The first recorded use of ABRACADABRA. In a malaria cure. It’s in the bottom triangle and is reduced by a letter at a time, thus killing off the disease. Foolproof.
    https://twitter.com/Anna_Mazz/status/1458153852453146626

    It doesn't seem to be just a stripping away of a letter every time though. A syllable every time? To my eye there's a step which doesn't have a missing syllable, but that'd be consistent with my just not knowing.

    There must be meaning in these wors though, otherwise why bother.
    I think the last word above the abracadabra triangle is depellendo, which is the gerund of depellere, to expel; so 'to be expelled', but I can't work out the word before it.
    Ah so maybe a 'spell'.

    Should you find out more do let me know.
    I've found something that says the word is hemitritaeo, though it doesn't look like it to me. It mean a 'semitertian ague' (or malarial shivering).

    So, for malarial shivering to be expelled, use Abracadabra!

    And apparently Romans with malaria wore Abracadabra amulets to 'help' get rid of the disease.
  • Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Stocky said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:
    But with theirs on the way up and ours on the way down.

    Thank goodness we resisted the siren call to use masks and other NPIs etc during the summer and autumn.
    Theirs have been rising and ours have been falling is fairer. If you want to make predictions about where case numbers are going, that's your business. I won't follow you there.
    All you need to remember is that the high number of Covid cases and deaths in the UK is completely immaterial; it's the end of lockdown that counts. But in countries other than the UK, high numbers of cases and deaths are a sign of doom and massive governmental incompetence. That's right, isn't it?
    Re: other countries, high numbers of cases and deaths may be an indication of bad decision-making if accompanied by more draconian measures than us. Worst of both worlds sort of thing.
    In terms of Denmark v the UK, here's the stringency index over time, that shows that most of the time, the UK has had more stringent restrictions than Denmark: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&country=GBR~DNK
    The UK has no legal restrictions currently so why are they rating the UK as a 41.2 at the moment?

    Though I see its based upon the 'strictest sub-region' so that would include any restrictions by Holyrood etc as "UK".
    I was wrong to use the word restrictions. It's wider than just prohibitions.
    Additional: I've been digging into the data a little and it's troubling. The current value for face coverings in England is listed as "2". In Scotland it's "3". The levels are:
    0- No policy
    1- Recommended
    2- Required in some specified shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present, or some situations when social distancing not possible
    3- Required in all shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present or all situations when social distancing not possible

    This seems wrong, to me. As I understand it, the mask level should be at most "1" for England.

    I withdraw any point I have made about the stringency index until and unless I find out that this is my mistake and not theirs.
    Face masks are required on public transport in England so that would fit with being a 2.

    I opened your document but couldn't work out where to go for the "executive summary".

    Seems a lot in there.
    No they're not.

    Face masks are not legally required in public transport in England. TFL don't make the law.

    I believe they are legally required in care homes and some other healthcare settings though.
    They should be compulsory on the tube and enforced by the law rather than tfl's ire (no fault of theirs)
    Why?

    No they shouldn't. Just because TFL have overreached doesn't mean it should be the law.
    Why? - The tube is a special case of ridiculously close contact in an unventilated space.
    So what?

    If people choose to wear a mask then, that's their choice. If they don't, ditto. That's the law as it is and as it should be.

    The guidance to wear masks should be dropped.
    It's one of the most likely places for infection. It's an easy line to draw too. Until the spring we should wear masks where we can and where it's sensible. It's really not so tough.
    It really is.

    Stopping infection isn't something we should be doing with NPIs. That's last year's policy.

    We have PIs now. Its time to live with the fact that infections happen, not try to prevent them.
    Good god. Work with what I've said rather than what you want to think I've said.
    Did you say that they should be mandated by law to prevent infections?

    The law shouldn't be seeking to prevent infections in the community. People should be getting vaccinated.
    Yes I agree. However where there are obvious infection hotspots they should be enforced.

    I imagine the tube could be higher than nighclubs in the potential risk. Nightclubs are open or they're not, and nothing at all you can do. With the tube there's everything you can do to reduce unfection.
    I went to Stratford and then Epping today on the Central Line, I wore a mask. Stopped really caring if other passengers wear them though. Luckily it was lunch time, so there were hardly any people around.
    In your railway journies have you ever sought out crowded commuter services? If I was a railway completist I'd have to experience the Northern line going south at 6pm for example. If I was sane I'd go nowhere near.
    I once had to stand all the way from London Paddington to Exeter - two hours! That was just so that I could do the Barnstaple line that afternoon. Must have been in 2018!

    Another really crowded train was when I took the "slow" line through Western-super-Mare (ie. Bristol to Taunton), even though that was early afternoon.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    TOPPING said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Stocky said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:
    But with theirs on the way up and ours on the way down.

    Thank goodness we resisted the siren call to use masks and other NPIs etc during the summer and autumn.
    Theirs have been rising and ours have been falling is fairer. If you want to make predictions about where case numbers are going, that's your business. I won't follow you there.
    All you need to remember is that the high number of Covid cases and deaths in the UK is completely immaterial; it's the end of lockdown that counts. But in countries other than the UK, high numbers of cases and deaths are a sign of doom and massive governmental incompetence. That's right, isn't it?
    Re: other countries, high numbers of cases and deaths may be an indication of bad decision-making if accompanied by more draconian measures than us. Worst of both worlds sort of thing.
    In terms of Denmark v the UK, here's the stringency index over time, that shows that most of the time, the UK has had more stringent restrictions than Denmark: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&country=GBR~DNK
    The UK has no legal restrictions currently so why are they rating the UK as a 41.2 at the moment?

    Though I see its based upon the 'strictest sub-region' so that would include any restrictions by Holyrood etc as "UK".
    I was wrong to use the word restrictions. It's wider than just prohibitions.
    Additional: I've been digging into the data a little and it's troubling. The current value for face coverings in England is listed as "2". In Scotland it's "3". The levels are:
    0- No policy
    1- Recommended
    2- Required in some specified shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present, or some situations when social distancing not possible
    3- Required in all shared/public spaces outside the home with other people present or all situations when social distancing not possible

    This seems wrong, to me. As I understand it, the mask level should be at most "1" for England.

    I withdraw any point I have made about the stringency index until and unless I find out that this is my mistake and not theirs.
    Face masks are required on public transport in England so that would fit with being a 2.

    I opened your document but couldn't work out where to go for the "executive summary".

    Seems a lot in there.
    No they're not.

    Face masks are not legally required in public transport in England. TFL don't make the law.

    I believe they are legally required in care homes and some other healthcare settings though.
    They should be compulsory on the tube and enforced by the law rather than tfl's ire (no fault of theirs)
    Why?

    No they shouldn't. Just because TFL have overreached doesn't mean it should be the law.
    Why? - The tube is a special case of ridiculously close contact in an unventilated space.
    So what?

    If people choose to wear a mask then, that's their choice. If they don't, ditto. That's the law as it is and as it should be.

    The guidance to wear masks should be dropped.
    It's one of the most likely places for infection. It's an easy line to draw too. Until the spring we should wear masks where we can and where it's sensible. It's really not so tough.
    It really is.

    Stopping infection isn't something we should be doing with NPIs. That's last year's policy.

    We have PIs now. Its time to live with the fact that infections happen, not try to prevent them.
    Good god. Work with what I've said rather than what you want to think I've said.
    Did you say that they should be mandated by law to prevent infections?

    The law shouldn't be seeking to prevent infections in the community. People should be getting vaccinated.
    Yes I agree. However where there are obvious infection hotspots they should be enforced.

    I imagine the tube could be higher than nighclubs in the potential risk. Nightclubs are open or they're not, and nothing at all you can do. With the tube there's everything you can do to reduce unfection.
    I went to Stratford and then Epping today on the Central Line, I wore a mask. Stopped really caring if other passengers wear them though. Luckily it was lunch time, so there were hardly any people around.
    In your railway journies have you ever sought out crowded commuter services? If I was a railway completist I'd have to experience the Northern line going south at 6pm for example. If I was sane I'd go nowhere near.
    I once had to stand all the way from London Paddington to Exeter - two hours! That was just so that I could do the Barnstaple line that afternoon. Must have been in 2018!

    Another really crowded train was when I took the "slow" line through Western-super-Mare (ie. Bristol to Taunton), even though that was early afternoon.
    I'd not recommend seeking out the even more horrible experiences. Actually just take a trip on the Bakerloo line around 5pm.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    @Anna_Mazz
    The first recorded use of ABRACADABRA. In a malaria cure. It’s in the bottom triangle and is reduced by a letter at a time, thus killing off the disease. Foolproof.
    https://twitter.com/Anna_Mazz/status/1458153852453146626

    It doesn't seem to be just a stripping away of a letter every time though. A syllable every time? To my eye there's a step which doesn't have a missing syllable, but that'd be consistent with my just not knowing.

    There must be meaning in these wors though, otherwise why bother.
    I think the last word above the abracadabra triangle is depellendo, which is the gerund of depellere, to expel; so 'to be expelled', but I can't work out the word before it.
    Ah so maybe a 'spell'.

    Should you find out more do let me know.
    I've found something that says the word is hemitritaeo, though it doesn't look like it to me. It mean a 'semitertian ague' (or malarial shivering).

    So, for malarial shivering to be expelled, use Abracadabra!

    And apparently Romans with malaria wore Abracadabra amulets to 'help' get rid of the disease.
    It's abbreviated - see the superscript between the 2 ts (and same word but ending -um immed to its left, in the text). I feel much better now about not being able to decipher it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    JBriskin3 said:

    Quite chastening to see homophobia alive and well on PB, in the shape of @squareroot2 . Don’t think we have had a open homophobe on here since the dark days of HD2. That bigoted Justin chap probably comes the closest, with his retrograde views on premarital sex.

    Sorry - Strongly Disagree

    All that @squareroot2 said is that he/she wasn't up for Anal Sex for him/herself.

    HOW THE FUCK IS THAT HOMOPHOBIC

    It makes him vanilla at the worst.
    They said they "disapproved" of it.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    @Anna_Mazz
    The first recorded use of ABRACADABRA. In a malaria cure. It’s in the bottom triangle and is reduced by a letter at a time, thus killing off the disease. Foolproof.
    https://twitter.com/Anna_Mazz/status/1458153852453146626

    It doesn't seem to be just a stripping away of a letter every time though. A syllable every time? To my eye there's a step which doesn't have a missing syllable, but that'd be consistent with my just not knowing.

    There must be meaning in these wors though, otherwise why bother.
    I think the last word above the abracadabra triangle is depellendo, which is the gerund of depellere, to expel; so 'to be expelled', but I can't work out the word before it.
    Ah so maybe a 'spell'.

    Should you find out more do let me know.
    I've found something that says the word is hemitritaeo, though it doesn't look like it to me. It mean a 'semitertian ague' (or malarial shivering).

    So, for malarial shivering to be expelled, use Abracadabra!

    And apparently Romans with malaria wore Abracadabra amulets to 'help' get rid of the disease.
    I there not some research on this? Keen-eyed though you may be surely it's been spotted before.
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