Singapore will force unvaccinated to pay for own medical care
People "unvaccinated by choice" in Singapore will have to pay for their own medical care, the government has confirmed.
The change will take place from 8 December - as one of the most successful countries at rolling out a vaccine (85% double jabbed) struggles with a surge in cases.
Singapore currently pays for all COVID-related care unless the virus was acquired overseas.
The government says the unjabbed "make up a sizeable majority of those who require intensive in-patient care and disproportionately contribute to the strain on our healthcare resources".
Good idea on paper but where does it end?
Should drug addicts, smokers, drinkers and fat people pay for their care? And what about people who need medical care through misadventure? People who drive recklessly etc?
Once you go down that path there would be no end to it.
We don't give alcoholics new livers.
We do, as George Best would confirm if he was still alive.
After proving sobriety. If the anti-vaxxers accept the vaccine as part of the treatment programme then give them the treatment.
In a resource limited world the NHS should turn away those irresponsible and idiotic people who have refused life saving medication already. To my mind refusing the vaccine is a signal that a person doesn't want to be treated for COVID. We should accept that.
It is a fundamental principle that consent can be changed by the patient at any time. Refusing the unvaxxed treatment would be quite unethical.
Also, I personally think quite a few antivaxxers are probably suffering from some sort of mental illness so you'd have to work out which one's have refused the vaccine and are rational and which are suffering from mental illness, delusion etc.
I find the topic frustrating. I know quite a few now and the theme is that they are libertarians who react against anything the state directs. It's in their DNA. (And then of course there are those that won't consent for religious reasons.)
There was always going to be a decent percentage of the population who wouldn't consent. This was obvious from the start. If people didn't factor this limitation in when they consented to restrictions on liberty until vaccinations then they are fools.
Quite chastening to see homophobia alive and well on PB, in the shape of @squareroot2 . Don’t think we have had a open homophobe on here since the dark days of HD2. That bigoted Justin chap probably comes the closest, with his retrograde views on premarital sex.
Sorry - Strongly Disagree
All that @squareroot2 said is that he/she wasn't up for Anal Sex for him/herself.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT HOMOPHOBIC
It makes him vanilla at the worst.
Thank you and quite right. Not for me tyvm.
Not saying any more . Its the mindset that if you are not for us you are against us
I am.taking some time off from the site. I hope Anabobaxina reflects on his comment... the site has got very nasty of late. I shall be scrolling past his comments. None are worthy of a rexponse..
I saw nothing homophobic in your remarks. Horses for courses
How is saying you disappove of homosexual sex not implying you are homophobic?
He also made a rather dubious comment about being propositioned by homosexuals as if homosexuals were more preditory than heterosexuals. See @Northern_Al rather good response.
There's an extraordinarily overwrought piece in the Atlantic about a journalist's experience of testing positive for covid. It's written as if he had a near death experience but then says he's "probably been sicker 15 times as an adult".
Understand Geoffrey Cox phoned the Chief whip this morning - not clear what was said
Probably something like 'You guys know second jobs are allowed and mine is all above board - so you're welcome for me being a distraction from some other shit. Now bugger off, every minute we speak deprives me of another £13'.
For shits'n'gigles I hope he told them that the PM's recent behaviour has been criminal and that triggering Article XVI to get away from that is misconduct in a public office.
Quite chastening to see homophobia alive and well on PB, in the shape of @squareroot2 . Don’t think we have had a open homophobe on here since the dark days of HD2. That bigoted Justin chap probably comes the closest, with his retrograde views on premarital sex.
Sorry - Strongly Disagree
All that @squareroot2 said is that he/she wasn't up for Anal Sex for him/herself.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT HOMOPHOBIC
It makes him vanilla at the worst.
Thank you and quite right. Not for me tyvm.
Not saying any more . Its the mindset that if you are not for us you are against us
I am.taking some time off from the site. I hope Anabobaxina reflects on his comment... the site has got very nasty of late. I shall be scrolling past his comments. None are worthy of a rexponse..
I saw nothing homophobic in your remarks. Horses for courses
How is saying you disappove of homosexual sex not implying you are homophobic?
He also made a rather dubious comment about being propositioned by homosexuals as if homosexuals were more preditory than heterosexuals. See @Northern_Al rather good response.
I may have missed a remark. What exactly did he say about "homosexual sex"?
Sincerely. If you can quote him that would be helpful
Understand Geoffrey Cox phoned the Chief whip this morning - not clear what was said
Probably something like 'You guys know second jobs are allowed and mine is all above board - so you're welcome for me being a distraction from some other shit. Now bugger off, every minute we speak deprives me of another £13'.
With a voice like Geoffrey Cox's, I would have thought it was blooming obvious what was said. One one side of the conversation, at least.
A @conservatives vice chairman & MP for W. Aberdeenshire AndrewBowie_MP confirms to @bbcnews he intends to step aside from his party post to concentrate on the constituency and to campaign for the Union. He tells me this is 'in no way connected' to the events of last week https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1458183792439476230
Understand Geoffrey Cox phoned the Chief whip this morning - not clear what was said
Probably something like 'You guys know second jobs are allowed and mine is all above board - so you're welcome for me being a distraction from some other shit. Now bugger off, every minute we speak deprives me of another £13'.
For shits'n'gigles I hope he told them that the PM's recent behaviour has been criminal and that triggering Article XVI to get away from that is misconduct in a public office.
Does anyone really care about mask wearing? I took a crowded train from Kemble to Paddington yesterday. As far as I could see I was the only person wearing a mask.
Does anyone really care about mask wearing? I took a crowded train from Kemble to Paddington yesterday. As far as I could see I was the only person wearing a mask.
Quite chastening to see homophobia alive and well on PB, in the shape of @squareroot2 . Don’t think we have had a open homophobe on here since the dark days of HD2. That bigoted Justin chap probably comes the closest, with his retrograde views on premarital sex.
Sorry - Strongly Disagree
All that @squareroot2 said is that he/she wasn't up for Anal Sex for him/herself.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT HOMOPHOBIC
It makes him vanilla at the worst.
Thank you and quite right. Not for me tyvm.
Not saying any more . Its the mindset that if you are not for us you are against us
I am.taking some time off from the site. I hope Anabobaxina reflects on his comment... the site has got very nasty of late. I shall be scrolling past his comments. None are worthy of a rexponse..
I saw nothing homophobic in your remarks. Horses for courses
How is saying you disappove of homosexual sex not implying you are homophobic?
He also made a rather dubious comment about being propositioned by homosexuals as if homosexuals were more preditory than heterosexuals. See @Northern_Al rather good response.
Yes:
"Quite a few, but not sure that there are that many on this site (apart from me, of course). It's a bit of a lads banter club on here, and she's not keen on laddish blokes.
But I was trying to make a serious point that predatory gay men are hugely insignificant when compared to predatory heterosexual men, who ensure that attractive women face a considerable, even daily, amount of unwanted attention."
I think that fairly obviously true. Though I did get approached by quite a lot of gay men when I was younger and better looking. Sometimes, such as in public lavatories it could be a bit uncomfortable being propositioned.
Quite chastening to see homophobia alive and well on PB, in the shape of @squareroot2 . Don’t think we have had a open homophobe on here since the dark days of HD2. That bigoted Justin chap probably comes the closest, with his retrograde views on premarital sex.
Sorry - Strongly Disagree
All that @squareroot2 said is that he/she wasn't up for Anal Sex for him/herself.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT HOMOPHOBIC
It makes him vanilla at the worst.
Thank you and quite right. Not for me tyvm.
Not saying any more . Its the mindset that if you are not for us you are against us
I am.taking some time off from the site. I hope Anabobaxina reflects on his comment... the site has got very nasty of late. I shall be scrolling past his comments. None are worthy of a rexponse..
I saw nothing homophobic in your remarks. Horses for courses
How is saying you disappove of homosexual sex not implying you are homophobic?
He also made a rather dubious comment about being propositioned by homosexuals as if homosexuals were more preditory than heterosexuals. See @Northern_Al rather good response.
I may have missed a remark. What exactly did he say about "homosexual sex"?
Sincerely. If you can quote him that would be helpful
He said he did not approve of it.
Later to defend his position he said 'Have you ever been propositioned?' as if being propositioned by a homosexual was some sort of disgusting thing. To which a number of us commented yes and we didn't come to any harm as a consequence of this traumatic event.
Off topic, Daughter and I were out in London last night. Restaurant and theatre packed. A most enjoyable evening and a much-needed break for Daughter. I am worried about the immense strain she is under.
Anyway, on our way into town (separately from some other appointments) we both noticed one thing which annoyed us and will doubtless be dismissed by many on here as hyper-sensitivity. But here goes anyway.
There is a long corridor on the interchange between the Piccadilly and Jubilee lines. On it there are various Pride posters with stories and photos from individuals. All very lovely. No objection to this at all.
There were 29 posters. Only 7 of them were women and one of these was of a mother of a gay person. So only 6 gay women out of 29. 6 women. 22 men.
Why so few women? Why so few gay women? Are their stories not worth telling?
Daughter pointed out that whenever gay marriage is talked about or discussed it is very often accompanied by illustrations of gay men getting married. Not gay women. It annoyed her.
Then on the Central line at Bond Street a big poster saying how London stands together against hate. Well, yes, who wouldn't be?
The precise words used in the poster are these -
"London stands together against hate directed at someone on our transport network because of race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or gender identity."
All very lovely. But spot what's missing. "Sex" - a protected characteristic and probably one of the single biggest reasons for attacks on women and girls. The Mayor talks a good game about Violence against Women and Girls but he cannot bring himself to mention sex in this poster. He ignores the fact that it is a "protected characteristic" in law. He is happy to include characteristics which aren't. But something which is - and which is of great concern to women, especially in relation to the risks they face when travelling - is ignored.
Why? Deliberate? Or just forgotten?
These may seem like small matters. But this sort of unconscious overlooking of women, of the female experience is all too common, all too pervasive and, ironically, occurs at a time when diversity is trumpeted loudly by all sorts of people keen to promote their progressive credentials.
I rather feel that the more people talk about diversity the less likely they are to listen to actual women or do anything practical to help them.
One day we might have 29 posters with 22 of them of women, a few men and a token father. A 50/50 representation would be a start. And - imagine - those posters, those choices were all, I expect, signed off by lots of people in numerous meeting and none of those preparing and implementing this campaign noticed what two women at both ends of the age spectrum noticed in minutes while travelling through. Or cared about the message it sends.
Grrr.....
Its deliberate because they're trying to write off sex as something that even exists.
"Gender identity" covers "sex" in his eyes so that's the end of the story.
Yup, stonewall have redefined homosexuality as same gender attraction as opposed to same sex. Lesbians need to embrace ‘girldick’ or be labelled ‘TERFS’ if they don’t with all that entails.
Not sure I understand all of that..are you saying the Stonewall position is that have to accept a man transitioning to a waman who still has their tackle.?
That is indeed the position of some trans radicals (not sure about Stonewall). A lesbian who refuses to have sex with an untransitioned trans man in possession of male genitals is not expressing a sexual preference for women, she is being "transphobic"
It is pure madness
This is indeed Stonewall's position. They want the offence of rape by deception repealed in its entirety.
Also see what Stonewall's CEO said in response to the outcry about the BBC article on some lesbians feeling pressured into sex with men claiming to be women.
"Nobody should ever be pressurised into dating, or pressured into dating people they aren't attracted to. But if you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like people of colour, fat people, disabled people or trans people, then it's worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions."
"how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions" .... ?
This from the CEO of a gay charity. When the very essence of being gay is that you are writing off entire groups of people as potential sexual partners. It's as if she has forgotten what being gay, what being a lesbian actually means.
As for the malicious dishonesty in seeking to equate a lesbian not wanting to have sex with a man with someone not wanting to have sex with someone of a different colour because they are a racist, words fail me.
This kind of thinking is spreading. I was berated by a middle aged lefty woke lady friend the other day, for my preference for younger women. I tried to explain to her that it is just the way I am made. I can’t help it. It’s not a choice. In fact if I had a choice I’d go for the opposite - it would be easier if I fancied older women like her. It’s a buyers market
However God made me like this. So be it
That wasn’t good enough for her tho. My inability to fancy her was, she implied, a kind of bigotry. Certainly a moral failing
I'd say with the 'older man chasing much younger woman' scenario there's been something of a shift in sentiment from 'good for him, randy old goat' and 'it's the way of the world innit' to 'urgh, sleazy'. On which topic I'm watching the Clinton/Lewinsky drama atm. Oh dear oh dear. Truly grisly behaviour from Bill. Maybe the smartest, most charismatic politician there has ever been but I think I'd have voted Guilty in his Impeachment. Absolute disgrace how he behaved.
No, this wasn't an opinion on "man with young woman" as an item, this was her opinion that men who fancy younger women are wrong to do so, and they should fancy older women like her. She was denying that sexuality is intrinsic, and instead saying it is a moral choice we make, as to who we desire, which is absurd. I cannot force myself to have an erection with someone who doesn't turn me on
As ever you duck your confused head and so, Whoosh, it goes right over
I get your point - but you've ended up making a very pro-paedo argument.
I really really REALLY haven't. And I strongly object
I am saying that sexuality is innate, we are born gay or bi or straight or whatever. We don't get to choose. This leads to much misery, but it is better to accept it.
This is absolutely not pro-Pedo, FFS. Pedophilia is a crime, and a vile, despicable crime at that. It ruins lives.
But is a pedophile born a pedophile? Almost certainly. And it is this which makes them so dangerous. They cannot be "cured". It never goes away. Once discovered, they have to be watched for the rest of their lives.
I am actually making the opposite argument to the one you think
It's very likely in fact linked to some form of mental illness, as some preliminary research shows, and is indeed a different topic.
This study suggests that it is not genetic, but it is intrinsic - pre natal - you are born with it. Possibly because of uterine imbalances
"As scientists seek to understand how [pedophilia] develops, there is growing consensus that the origin is largely biological. This view is based in part on studies pointing to subtle physical traits that have a higher incidence among pedophiles.
“The biological clues attached to pedophilia demonstrate that its roots are prenatal,” said James Cantor, director of the Toronto Sexuality Center. “These are not genetic; they can be traced to specific periods of development in the womb.”"
Compelling paragraph
"Learning to manage a drive as visceral, and often consuming, as sexual desire is possible, therapists say, but it cannot be shut off; nor can it be replaced, the way heroin can be swapped for methadone. Treatment can require drugs that reduce circulating testosterone and software that limits online browsing habits."
Quite chastening to see homophobia alive and well on PB, in the shape of @squareroot2 . Don’t think we have had a open homophobe on here since the dark days of HD2. That bigoted Justin chap probably comes the closest, with his retrograde views on premarital sex.
Sorry - Strongly Disagree
All that @squareroot2 said is that he/she wasn't up for Anal Sex for him/herself.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT HOMOPHOBIC
It makes him vanilla at the worst.
Thank you and quite right. Not for me tyvm.
Not saying any more . Its the mindset that if you are not for us you are against us
I am.taking some time off from the site. I hope Anabobaxina reflects on his comment... the site has got very nasty of late. I shall be scrolling past his comments. None are worthy of a rexponse..
I saw nothing homophobic in your remarks. Horses for courses
How is saying you disappove of homosexual sex not implying you are homophobic?
He also made a rather dubious comment about being propositioned by homosexuals as if homosexuals were more preditory than heterosexuals. See @Northern_Al rather good response.
I may have missed a remark. What exactly did he say about "homosexual sex"?
Sincerely. If you can quote him that would be helpful
He said he did not approve of it.
Later to defend his position he said 'Have you ever been propositioned?' as if being propositioned by a homosexual was some sort of disgusting thing. To which a number of us commented yes and we didn't come to any harm as a consequence of this traumatic event.
Sorry but you need to present his actual quoted remarks
Quite chastening to see homophobia alive and well on PB, in the shape of @squareroot2 . Don’t think we have had a open homophobe on here since the dark days of HD2. That bigoted Justin chap probably comes the closest, with his retrograde views on premarital sex.
Sorry - Strongly Disagree
All that @squareroot2 said is that he/she wasn't up for Anal Sex for him/herself.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT HOMOPHOBIC
It makes him vanilla at the worst.
Thank you and quite right. Not for me tyvm.
Not saying any more . Its the mindset that if you are not for us you are against us
I am.taking some time off from the site. I hope Anabobaxina reflects on his comment... the site has got very nasty of late. I shall be scrolling past his comments. None are worthy of a rexponse..
I saw nothing homophobic in your remarks. Horses for courses
How is saying you disappove of homosexual sex not implying you are homophobic?
He also made a rather dubious comment about being propositioned by homosexuals as if homosexuals were more preditory than heterosexuals. See @Northern_Al rather good response.
I may have missed a remark. What exactly did he say about "homosexual sex"?
Sincerely. If you can quote him that would be helpful
He said he did not approve of it.
Later to defend his position he said 'Have you ever been propositioned?' as if being propositioned by a homosexual was some sort of disgusting thing. To which a number of us commented yes and we didn't come to any harm as a consequence of this traumatic event.
Sorry but you need to present his actual quoted remarks
"I doubt for most that male to male sex is an addition to a vanilla sex life as you put it. You should remember that people who do not approve of it are not necessarily homophobic. Its a side of life that just passes us by. Each to their own but no thank you."
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There was always going to be a decent percentage of the population who wouldn't consent. This was obvious from the start. If people didn't factor this limitation in when they consented to restrictions on liberty until vaccinations then they are fools.
He also made a rather dubious comment about being propositioned by homosexuals as if homosexuals were more preditory than heterosexuals. See @Northern_Al rather good response.
Sincerely. If you can quote him that would be helpful
https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1458183792439476230
Probably connected.
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"Quite a few, but not sure that there are that many on this site (apart from me, of course). It's a bit of a lads banter club on here, and she's not keen on laddish blokes.
But I was trying to make a serious point that predatory gay men are hugely insignificant when compared to predatory heterosexual men, who ensure that attractive women face a considerable, even daily, amount of unwanted attention."
I think that fairly obviously true. Though I did get approached by quite a lot of gay men when I was younger and better looking. Sometimes, such as in public lavatories it could be a bit uncomfortable being propositioned.
Later to defend his position he said 'Have you ever been propositioned?' as if being propositioned by a homosexual was some sort of disgusting thing. To which a number of us commented yes and we didn't come to any harm as a consequence of this traumatic event.