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Trump becoming an even stronger favourite in the WH2024 betting – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited October 30 in General
imageTrump becoming an even stronger favourite in the WH2024 betting – politicalbetting.com

Even though it is more than three years away betting on the next White House race remains active and as can be seen the loser who refused to admit defeat. Trump, is clear favourite and he continues to totally dominate Republican politics. Much of that power would be diluted if he ruled out a run.

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  • TazTaz Posts: 2,459
    Brutal from england
  • stodgestodge Posts: 9,355
    I think there's some other sport going on - rugby with the All Blacks vs Wales as well as the football.

    After Wednesday's Carabao Cup reverse in East London, a poor day for Man City while Liverpool struggled against Brighton - all good news for the west Londoners who enjoyed another romp against an inferior club starting with "N".

    Performance of the day - FRODON at Down Royal and another triumph for Bryony Frost.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    This is not a vintage All Blacks performance. So far
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    Worldometer has the world passing five million Covid-19 deaths: today

    Five million

    Grim
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 5,535
    So this is the Rugby thread, while the cricket is still going on the previous one. Although as the last I looked England needed less than one an over, that might be over now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894

    So this is the Rugby thread, while the cricket is still going on the previous one. Although as the last I looked England needed less than one an over, that might be over now.

    Scrappy game
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 15,273
    A typical day for North East football...

    Toon - Lost
    Mackems - Lost
    Smoggies - Lost
    Poolies - Lost
    The Heed - Lost
    Spenny - Lost
    Spartans - Lost

    Darlo - Won

  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 5,535

    So this is the Rugby thread, while the cricket is still going on the previous one. Although as the last I looked England needed less than one an over, that might be over now.

    It’s all over now...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,752

    So this is the Rugby thread, while the cricket is still going on the previous one. Although as the last I looked England needed less than one an over, that might be over now.

    All over. Aussies sent packing.
  • Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 5,535

    A typical day for North East football...

    Toon - Lost
    Mackems - Lost
    Smoggies - Lost
    Poolies - Lost
    The Heed - Lost
    Spenny - Lost
    Spartans - Lost

    Darlo - Won

    Which one of those is Sunderland?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 15,273

    A typical day for North East football...

    Toon - Lost
    Mackems - Lost
    Smoggies - Lost
    Poolies - Lost
    The Heed - Lost
    Spenny - Lost
    Spartans - Lost

    Darlo - Won

    Which one of those is Sunderland?
    Mackems
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,412
    Leon said:

    Worldometer has the world passing five million Covid-19 deaths: today

    Five million

    Grim

    So in 19 months, COVID has killed as many people as die in a typical 2 week period,
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    BigRich said:

    Leon said:

    Worldometer has the world passing five million Covid-19 deaths: today

    Five million

    Grim

    So in 19 months, COVID has killed as many people as die in a typical 2 week period,
    True, but I am pretty sure you can multiply that figure by 3 or even 4 for the actual total. It's a lot of people
  • FishingFishing Posts: 3,023
    edited October 30
    On topic, from someone who doesn't give the tiniest crap about sports, I wonder how many times the betting favourite 3 years out wins the White House? If it is as accurate as polling three years out here, it's pretty worthless.

    But then, as OGH remarks, Trump's domination of his party is remarkable for someone who isn't a sitting President.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    Christ. This is a guy in pain

    A broken rib?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,104
    BigRich said:

    Leon said:

    Worldometer has the world passing five million Covid-19 deaths: today

    Five million

    Grim

    So in 19 months, COVID has killed as many people as die in a typical 2 week period,
    Or alternatively, as have died in a typical six week period once you adjust for the real figures rather than the Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Indian, Brazilian etc. undercounting.

    But that is in itself a bit misleading. Because if we had continued in a 'typical' pattern it would have been rather more than that. It's been kept that low precisely because many of the most vulnerable societies have taken extraordinary measures to control it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    Broken ribs. Ouch
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,459

    A typical day for North East football...

    Toon - Lost
    Mackems - Lost
    Smoggies - Lost
    Poolies - Lost
    The Heed - Lost
    Spenny - Lost
    Spartans - Lost

    Darlo - Won

    Which one of those is Sunderland?
    Mackems.

    They don’t make things they....
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,930
    MaxPB said:

    So this is the Rugby thread, while the cricket is still going on the previous one. Although as the last I looked England needed less than one an over, that might be over now.

    All over. Aussies sent packing.
    Ironically, it might be that if we spank the Saffas this time next week, the Aussies go through.
  • Fishing said:

    On topic, from someone who doesn't give the tiniest crap about sports, I wonder how many times the betting favourite 3 years out wins the White House? If it is as accurate as polling three years out here, it's pretty worthless.

    But then, as OGH remarks, Trump's domination of his party is remarkable for someone who isn't a sitting President.

    I think Elizabeth Warren was the favourite at this point, she was a 52% chance at one point.
  • A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,192
    Leon said:

    Worldometer has the world passing five million Covid-19 deaths: today

    Five million

    Grim

    And probably at least a couple of million short, maybe many more depending whether or not you are inclined to believe the Chinese, the Indians, some of the South Americans, Russia....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,752
    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    Anonymous polling within universities vs applications.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,104
    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    But surely they can't be false if you allow self-identification?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    Anonymous polling within universities vs applications.
    This will end with 100% of white students claiming minority status. There is no way of disproving these claims, because race does not exist and is a social construct - as we are constantly told.

    And so the whole thing is turned into a sad silly farce
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676
    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    They’re just following the logic of Pocahontas.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    edited October 30
    tlg86 said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    They’re just following the logic of Pocahontas.
    And Elizabeth Warren?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,104
    Fishing said:

    On topic, from someone who doesn't give the tiniest crap about sports, I wonder how many times the betting favourite 3 years out wins the White House? If it is as accurate as polling three years out here, it's pretty worthless.

    But then, as OGH remarks, Trump's domination of his party is remarkable for someone who isn't a sitting President.

    Eisenhower and FDR must have been there or thereabouts in 1949 and 1929 respectively. Reagan was probably the leading contender for the Republican nomination in 1980 by 1977, ahead of Ford, Dole and Rockefeller, and therefore would possibly have been considered favourite given Carter had become mired in scandal.

    But it isn't that common, certainly.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,180

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,481
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    But surely they can't be false if you allow self-identification?

    "Students should be told during Freshers’ Week that universities are not there to protect their feelings, academics have said as they call for change in the wake of a professor’s resignation.

    The “real blame” for the “ludicrous” culture that has emerged on British campuses lies with universities rather than “young and immature” students, a leading Oxford scholar has said."

    D Telegraph

  • A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    I wonder what first attracted Prince Andrew to the paedophile billionaire?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,852

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Why on earth would his lawyers include that in a filing?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,746
    Out of interest, has anyone listened to much Alistair Cooke on US elections over the years?

    I listened to him, but it's the sort of thing I would filter out.

    I've much more enjoyed his essays about US politics.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 38,749
    edited October 30

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    But surely they can't be false if you allow self-identification?

    "Students should be told during Freshers’ Week that universities are not there to protect their feelings, academics have said as they call for change in the wake of a professor’s resignation.

    The “real blame” for the “ludicrous” culture that has emerged on British campuses lies with universities rather than “young and immature” students, a leading Oxford scholar has said."

    D Telegraph
    Some woke Americans call us "TERF island" because of our apparent resistance to the ideology of self-identification.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144
    Anyone heard any more from CHB
  • Charles said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Why on earth would his lawyers include that in a filing?
    The court papers quote Crystal Figueroa, the sister of one of Giuffre’s ex-boyfriends, who claims she was asked by Andrew’s accuser for help in recruiting minors: “She [Giuffre] would say to me, ‘Do you know any girls who are kind of slutty?’”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,752

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    But surely they can't be false if you allow self-identification?

    "Students should be told during Freshers’ Week that universities are not there to protect their feelings, academics have said as they call for change in the wake of a professor’s resignation.

    The “real blame” for the “ludicrous” culture that has emerged on British campuses lies with universities rather than “young and immature” students, a leading Oxford scholar has said."

    D Telegraph

    It's all part of turning students into customers and the customer is always right. University is no longer a privilege when 50% of people go and when it costs £9k per year.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    But surely they can't be false if you allow self-identification?

    "Students should be told during Freshers’ Week that universities are not there to protect their feelings, academics have said as they call for change in the wake of a professor’s resignation.

    The “real blame” for the “ludicrous” culture that has emerged on British campuses lies with universities rather than “young and immature” students, a leading Oxford scholar has said."

    D Telegraph
    Some woke Americans call us "TERF island" because of our apparent resistance to the ideology of self-identification.
    Do they not realise we are the epicentre of the trans-TERF wars? They STARTED here then spread to the colonies

    I am insulted
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 4,654
    MaxPB said:

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    But surely they can't be false if you allow self-identification?

    "Students should be told during Freshers’ Week that universities are not there to protect their feelings, academics have said as they call for change in the wake of a professor’s resignation.

    The “real blame” for the “ludicrous” culture that has emerged on British campuses lies with universities rather than “young and immature” students, a leading Oxford scholar has said."

    D Telegraph

    It's all part of turning students into customers and the customer is always right. University is no longer a privilege when 50% of people go and when it costs £9k per year.
    Change in the wake or the woke...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894

    Charles said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Why on earth would his lawyers include that in a filing?
    The court papers quote Crystal Figueroa, the sister of one of Giuffre’s ex-boyfriends, who claims she was asked by Andrew’s accuser for help in recruiting minors: “She [Giuffre] would say to me, ‘Do you know any girls who are kind of slutty?’”
    OK, that changes it. If they have a friend saying Giuffre used those words, then Andrew is allowed to present them as evidence. He is an innocent man as of this moment. Albeit a stupid one
  • Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 30,180
    edited October 30

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    I wonder what first attracted Prince Andrew to the paedophile billionaire?
    Actually I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Epstein’s willingness to pay for everything that was the initial pull. Can’t recall who it was who wrote the profile on Andrew that suggested he was notorious for expecting whoever he was with to foot the bill.

    Came for the freebies, stayed inadvertently for the slutty girls could be a defence I guess..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,930
    And home… what an enjoyable evening, shall remember that match for a long time.
  • There was a piece I read earlier on this week which made me doubt Prince Andrew's sanity.

    Apparently he was and still is convinced that his appearance in that interview went well.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    He is entitled to do this, however, as I say below. And I can see how it might work

    But he is finished as a public figure for ever. The royals must want him to vanish into nothing
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,930
    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    ‘Courageous’?
    AKA Foolhardy?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 31,752
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/458b3cac-3988-11ec-a14e-75e3a4bcdc4c?shareToken=473363dd4386c9590cfaaef8b2e6abcb

    Great article. Finally someone has articulated in the mainstream press that maybe it's not such a great idea to keep everyone alive indefinitely.
  • Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    ‘Courageous’?
    AKA Foolhardy?
    Yes, courageous in the Yes Minister sense.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,504
    BigRich said:

    Leon said:

    Worldometer has the world passing five million Covid-19 deaths: today

    Five million

    Grim

    So in 19 months, COVID has killed as many people as die in a typical 2 week period,
    The excess death numbers for a lot of places are absolutely horrific. Some Central and South American countries have had 50+% more deaths than normal in the last 18 months.

    See: https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

    Peru has had more than twice the normal number of people die. And is in the middle of another wave. That's absolutely horrific.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144
    Sandpit said:

    And home… what an enjoyable evening, shall remember that match for a long time.

    Was Mrs S with you?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,930
    Was it not said in one of the Epstein investigations, that they had trouble putting all the contacts they unearthed into binary groups of abusers and abused, because there was quite a bit of overlap with girls recruiting their younger friends?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    rcs1000 said:

    BigRich said:

    Leon said:

    Worldometer has the world passing five million Covid-19 deaths: today

    Five million

    Grim

    So in 19 months, COVID has killed as many people as die in a typical 2 week period,
    The excess death numbers for a lot of places are absolutely horrific. Some Central and South American countries have had 50+% more deaths than normal in the last 18 months.

    See: https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

    Peru has had more than twice the normal number of people die. And is in the middle of another wave. That's absolutely horrific.
    That would be 600,000 dead in the UK. And many still dying
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 41,504
    rcs1000 said:

    BigRich said:

    Leon said:

    Worldometer has the world passing five million Covid-19 deaths: today

    Five million

    Grim

    So in 19 months, COVID has killed as many people as die in a typical 2 week period,
    The excess death numbers for a lot of places are absolutely horrific. Some Central and South American countries have had 50+% more deaths than normal in the last 18 months.

    See: https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

    Peru has had more than twice the normal number of people die. And is in the middle of another wave. That's absolutely horrific.
    Looking at the totals for excess deaths, most European countries are in the 15-20% range, with Germany (just 3% above normal levels) and Denmark (no excess deaths), the standouts.

    Of course, Germany - particularly the East - is getting absolutely stomped right now.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,930

    Sandpit said:

    And home… what an enjoyable evening, shall remember that match for a long time.

    Was Mrs S with you?
    Indeed so. One of these days I’m going to take her to a competitive match that builds to a finish - as it appears SAvSL was earlier today.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    Superb try from the Blacks
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144
    Sandpit said:

    Was it not said in one of the Epstein investigations, that they had trouble putting all the contacts they unearthed into binary groups of abusers and abused, because there was quite a bit of overlap with girls recruiting their younger friends?

    Takes one back to the ‘groupies’ of the sixties.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 25,319
    Oh no. Not my favourite header title. On Trump, there comes a time - and I've reached it - where you just throw analysis in the bin and go higher. You place some faith in the American people. Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio? Nowhere, is what I'm betting, figuratively and literally. Donald Trump will flame out and I'll make a packet. I'm long sanity, long decency, long truth and justice, and it's a good feeling.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,602

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 5,695
    edited October 30
    Washington State 2021 General Election - as of Friday, Oct. 29 (EDay -4)

    cumulative ballot returns:
    WA State = 827,931 (17.2% of 4.8m active registered voters)
    King Co = 227,880 (16.3% of 1.4m active reg)
    Seattle = 95,531 (19.6% of 489k active reg)

    Note that King Co accounts for 29% of statewide registration, and City of Seattle for 10% statewide

    Further note King Co that (so far) King accounts for 27.5% of statewide returns, and Seattle for 11.5%

    The differential is due to fact that most of King County outside of Seattle does NOT have much to vote for (or against) on the 2021 off-year ballot. Most races are for local city, school board and "junior tax district" offices, with a few county races here and there. In many smaller jurisdictions only one candidate filed. Pretty similar in the other 38 counties beyond King.

    In Seattle situation is quite different, we have three hotly-contested citywide races: for mayor, city attorney and one at-large city council seat. Which is driving up turnout in the Emerald City. Already our return rate is above the countywide percentage - and Seattle voters general vote later as a rule than suburban, exurban and rural voters.

    Back in 2017 statewide turnout was only 37%; it was 43% in King Co and 49% in Seattle. IF these numbers are replicated this year (and adjusted for registration increase) then just under half of the final statewide turnout is already in the can, with slightly lower shares for King Co & Seattle.

    This year should be somewhat higher, for one thing four years ago was the last election BEFORE pre-paid postage for returning mail ballots - and for this election over 64% of the ballots returned so far have been via USPS, with the bulk of the remainder via drop boxes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,459

    Anyone heard any more from CHB

    Not seen anything but I do hole they’re okay
  • Sandpit said:

    Was it not said in one of the Epstein investigations, that they had trouble putting all the contacts they unearthed into binary groups of abusers and abused, because there was quite a bit of overlap with girls recruiting their younger friends?

    Yup, it is something that happened in some of the grooming cases in this country.

    It was quite striking.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,930

    Sandpit said:

    Was it not said in one of the Epstein investigations, that they had trouble putting all the contacts they unearthed into binary groups of abusers and abused, because there was quite a bit of overlap with girls recruiting their younger friends?

    Takes one back to the ‘groupies’ of the sixties.
    All variations on the world’s oldest profession, and it’s never going to go away…
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,104
    How does he get away with it?

    Rob Roberts: Disgraced MP back in Conservative Party on Monday
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59088563

    Even if he's not had the whip restored, this is still pretty poor by the Tories.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    Come on Wales!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,207
    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144

    Sandpit said:

    Was it not said in one of the Epstein investigations, that they had trouble putting all the contacts they unearthed into binary groups of abusers and abused, because there was quite a bit of overlap with girls recruiting their younger friends?

    Yup, it is something that happened in some of the grooming cases in this country.

    It was quite striking.
    Depends on the amount of money handed over consequent on the ‘transaction’.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
    They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.

    It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.

    The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.

    Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,207
    Spurs are being kind to ensure Ole gets to keep his job a bit longer.

    Come on Spurs, turn this around! You only need to score 3 not 5. 😂
  • Sandpit said:

    Was it not said in one of the Epstein investigations, that they had trouble putting all the contacts they unearthed into binary groups of abusers and abused, because there was quite a bit of overlap with girls recruiting their younger friends?

    Yup, it is something that happened in some of the grooming cases in this country.

    It was quite striking.
    Depends on the amount of money handed over consequent on the ‘transaction’.
    Nope, it was more the groomed victims thought they were in love with their abusers and would do anything for them.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446
    How come Correct Horse Battery was posting this afternoon, but on his profile it says last active yesterday?
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
    That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144
    Friend of mine, a retired schoolmaster, once told us about a lecture the male students had to attend.
    ‘Dealing with 14 yr old tarts!’
    Rule one. Always keep a table between you and a girl you are ‘disciplining’!
  • isam said:

    How come Correct Horse Battery was posting this afternoon, but on his profile it says last active yesterday?

    It's a quirk.

    The last active time is the last time you visited the Vanilla Forums (https://vf.politicalbetting.com/)

    But if you post via the main site then that doesn't show on the VF last active info.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,852

    Charles said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Why on earth would his lawyers include that in a filing?
    The court papers quote Crystal Figueroa, the sister of one of Giuffre’s ex-boyfriends, who claims she was asked by Andrew’s accuser for help in recruiting minors: “She [Giuffre] would say to me, ‘Do you know any girls who are kind of slutty?’”
    More fool me for taking the Mail’s reporting at face value
  • IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
    They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.

    It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.

    The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.

    Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
    IIRC this is the very settlement that's garnered LOTS of interest from US Dept of Justice public corruption section.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    A totally phenomenal try
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144
    edited October 30

    Sandpit said:

    Was it not said in one of the Epstein investigations, that they had trouble putting all the contacts they unearthed into binary groups of abusers and abused, because there was quite a bit of overlap with girls recruiting their younger friends?

    Yup, it is something that happened in some of the grooming cases in this country.

    It was quite striking.
    Depends on the amount of money handed over consequent on the ‘transaction’.
    Nope, it was more the groomed victims thought they were in love with their abusers and would do anything for them.
    Bit of both, I suggest. But you’re right.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    That's one of the best tries I've ever seen. Why aren't the commentators more excited?

    Astounding
  • stodgestodge Posts: 9,355
    Leon said:

    A totally phenomenal try

    You said it wasn't a "vintage All Blacks performance" earlier.

    Perhaps but the All Blacks have found their stride now.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,930

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
    They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.

    It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.

    The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.

    Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
    So, to play Devil’s Andrew’s advocate, she was also involved in recuiting girls so isn’t entirely innocent here, and she’s been paid off once already for the dodgy parties at Epstein’s place, so shouldn’t be double-dipping for compensation (in a civil suit) for the same event.

    Now, some people might think that’s outrageous, but others might think it’s plausible or even reasonable.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 704

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
    That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
    It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    edited October 30
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    A totally phenomenal try

    You said it wasn't a "vintage All Blacks performance" earlier.

    Perhaps but the All Blacks have found their stride now.
    Yes I take that back. It was scrappy and stodgy

    This is Roederer Rugby now. Fizzing
  • AslanAslan Posts: 704
    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,207

    Sandpit said:

    Was it not said in one of the Epstein investigations, that they had trouble putting all the contacts they unearthed into binary groups of abusers and abused, because there was quite a bit of overlap with girls recruiting their younger friends?

    Yup, it is something that happened in some of the grooming cases in this country.

    It was quite striking.
    Depends on the amount of money handed over consequent on the ‘transaction’.
    Nope, it was more the groomed victims thought they were in love with their abusers and would do anything for them.
    Its far from unusual behaviour for [especially underage] abuse victims, isn't it?

    Not quite Stockholm Syndrome but there must be a similar terminology for this as its so common as to be almost stereotypical.

    Doesn't make the original abusers behaviour any more excuseable.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894
    Sensational
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,144
    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,207

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    You'll trigger Leon and stop him from watching the Rugby with that talk.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 20,676
    Sandpit said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
    They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.

    It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.

    The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.

    Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
    So, to play Devil’s Andrew’s advocate, she was also involved in recuiting girls so isn’t entirely innocent here, and she’s been paid off once already for the dodgy parties at Epstein’s place, so shouldn’t be double-dipping for compensation (in a civil suit) for the same event.

    Now, some people might think that’s outrageous, but others might think it’s plausible or even reasonable.
    No doubt many other high profile men in the USA are cheering on Andy as he takes one for the team.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 4,478
    Aslan said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
    That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
    It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
    Perhaps, but extradition seems very one way with the us. Many of us would happily swap Ann Secoolas (apologies for spelling) with Andrew, even if the former never ended up serving time. At least face justice for your mistake.
  • isamisam Posts: 38,446

    isam said:

    How come Correct Horse Battery was posting this afternoon, but on his profile it says last active yesterday?

    It's a quirk.

    The last active time is the last time you visited the Vanilla Forums (https://vf.politicalbetting.com/)

    But if you post via the main site then that doesn't show on the VF last active info.
    Ah right, thank you
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,454
    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    Didn't the Americans regard someone with only one black great-grandparent (or less?) as black? In those days, in a highly negative way. But plainly it all depends on definition.

    And, literally, many would think that they were natively born Americans, so I wonder if there was some confusion there.

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,005
    BigRich said:

    Leon said:

    Worldometer has the world passing five million Covid-19 deaths: today

    Five million

    Grim

    So in 19 months, COVID has killed as many people as die in a typical 2 week period,
    ... who otherwise would have lived many years more?
    Or is this the 'everybody dies eventually, so why should I wear a mask' argument?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,481

    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    But surely they can't be false if you allow self-identification?

    "Students should be told during Freshers’ Week that universities are not there to protect their feelings, academics have said as they call for change in the wake of a professor’s resignation.

    The “real blame” for the “ludicrous” culture that has emerged on British campuses lies with universities rather than “young and immature” students, a leading Oxford scholar has said."

    D Telegraph
    Some woke Americans call us "TERF island" because of our apparent resistance to the ideology of self-identification.
    I do wonder whether student loan system has made all this worse. They are the customers now. The ones paying.

    When the LEA was paying it was a different relationship.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 40,192
    Bloody hell, how bad are Spurs getting beaten by this collation of 13 individuals who may or may not have met before but certainly have no idea how to play as a team?
  • Sandpit said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking

    A catastrophic decision
    The whole strategy is courageous.

    The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.

    Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
    US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
    They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.

    It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.

    The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.

    Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
    So, to play Devil’s Andrew’s advocate, she was also involved in recuiting girls so isn’t entirely innocent here, and she’s been paid off once already for the dodgy parties at Epstein’s place, so shouldn’t be double-dipping for compensation (in a civil suit) for the same event.

    Now, some people might think that’s outrageous, but others might think it’s plausible or even reasonable.
    True. But doubt those people include many - or rather any - US federal judges.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 12,894

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,930
    edited October 30
    Carnyx said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    Didn't the Americans regard someone with only one black great-grandparent (or less?) as black? In those days, in a highly negative way. But plainly it all depends on definition.

    And, literally, many would think that they were natively born Americans, so I wonder if there was some confusion there.

    Or, it’s the perfectly logical consequence, of the universities treating applicants differently according to race.
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