Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
Not a massively well informed comment. There's no suggestion whatever either that we are obliged to extradite him, or that he has received special treatment by the English courts because of his Royal status or for any other reason.
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
He has faced no criminal charges and is not Head of State or heir.
The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
Didn't the Americans regard someone with only one black great-grandparent (or less?) as black? In those days, in a highly negative way. But plainly it all depends on definition.
And, literally, many would think that they were natively born Americans, so I wonder if there was some confusion there.
‘One drop of Negro blood’. Or something like that. Get into genealogy and all sorts of preconceptions go out of the window.
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.
It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.
The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.
Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
It was not just Andrew Epstein and Maxwell allegedly procured girls for, without that NDA large numbers of celebrities and wealthy individuals would be feeling nervous
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
He has faced no criminal charges and is not Head of State or heir.
The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
He is on the line to inherit the Crown. Which is why he is one of the counsellors of state, the only four people who can carry out the Sovereign's duties in this archaic and primitive polity called the UK.
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.
It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.
The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.
Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
It was not just Andrew Epstein and Maxwell allegedly procured girls for, without that NDA large numbers of celebrities and wealthy individuals would be feeling nervous
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
Didn't the Americans regard someone with only one black great-grandparent (or less?) as black? In those days, in a highly negative way. But plainly it all depends on definition.
And, literally, many would think that they were natively born Americans, so I wonder if there was some confusion there.
Or, it’s the perfectly logical consequence, of the universities treating people differently according to race.
US universities have form in this area. There were explicit caps on the number of Jewish students allowed into some Southern universities as recently as the late 70s, early 80s.
And the real problem goes beyond racial discrimination (although that is a problem too) - many elite US universities have a public policy of favouring applicants whose family went to (and donated to) them.
The consequence of this is that at many universities a very significant number of places are going to the (basically all white) children of alumni, leaving a relatively small pool for everyone else. To avoid looking wildly racially disproportionate, they then implement quotas on the remaining bit.
This results in a reasonable number of places for minorities, lots of places for the children of wealthy alumni, and not a lot of places for others.
If you made preference in favour of the children of alumni and donors illegal, then there would be far less need (if any) to have racial preference in the admissions process.
On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?
He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?
If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
He has faced no criminal charges and is not Head of State or heir.
The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
The DoJ wanted to interview him and he refused. A disgusting decision when the sexual abuse of children is involved. It brings deep shame on the House of Windsor.
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.
It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.
The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.
Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
It was not just Andrew Epstein and Maxwell allegedly procured girls for, without that NDA large numbers of celebrities and wealthy individuals would be feeling nervous
To be fair, t’was ever thus! When I were a lad the Yanks at the East Anglian airbases used to send a bus or two down to Southend on a Saturday night to find girls ‘who’d like to go to a party at an air base.’ Led to fights.
I found the video below fairly interesting, if somewhat arcane (and probably one for the lawyers). Basically: this guy got called in for the defence on a court case about some erosion around a housing development. He rather holes the plaintiff's expert witness' testimony.
Whilst the expert's evidence is very poor, the question I'm left with is how I'd calculate the amount of erosion between 2006 and 2019, what data sources would I use? And is it even feasible to measure with any accuracy?
I can imagine there's all sorts of poor expert evidence floating around in the court system - especially in unusual cases.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
But surely they can't be false if you allow self-identification?
"Students should be told during Freshers’ Week that universities are not there to protect their feelings, academics have said as they call for change in the wake of a professor’s resignation.
The “real blame” for the “ludicrous” culture that has emerged on British campuses lies with universities rather than “young and immature” students, a leading Oxford scholar has said."
D Telegraph
Some woke Americans call us "TERF island" because of our apparent resistance to the ideology of self-identification.
I would have thought we were relatively liberal on that compared to the deep South or rustbelt US
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
He has faced no criminal charges and is not Head of State or heir.
The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
The DoJ wanted to interview him and he refused. A disgusting decision when the sexual abuse of children is involved. It brings deep shame on the House of Windsor.
The FBI have not tried to arrest him and he has faced no criminal charges from the state of New York
I found the video below fairly interesting, if somewhat arcane (and probably one for the lawyers). Basically: this guy got called in for the defence on a court case about some erosion around a housing development. He rather holes the plaintiff's expert witness' testimony.
Whilst the expert's evidence is very poor, the question I'm left with is how I'd calculate the amount of erosion between 2006 and 2019, what data sources would I use? And is it even feasible to measure with any accuracy?
I can imagine there's all sorts of poor expert evidence floating around in the court system - especially in unusual cases.
Dated air photos? Google Earth has time sequences to some extent, for instance (not availoable on vanilla Google Maps, though). Ditto sat mapping depending on scale.
OS Mapping? Probably not, unless the OS were working there in 2006 and you got a surveyor in today.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
Multiple Origins
It's been around for quite a while, it was dismissed for a couple of decades, but recent discoveries are giving it new credibility
"The finding that "Mitochondrial Eve" was relatively recent and African seemed to give the upper hand to the proponents of the Out of Africa hypothesis. But in 2002, Alan Templeton published a genetic analysis involving other loci in the genome as well, and this showed that some variants that are present in modern populations existed already in Asia hundreds of thousands of years ago.[26] This meant that even if our male line (Y chromosome) and our female line (mitochondrial DNA) came out of Africa in the last 100,000 years or so, we have inherited other genes from populations that were already outside of Africa. Since this study other studies have been done using much more data (see Phylogeography)."
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?
He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?
If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.
It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.
The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.
Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
It was not just Andrew Epstein and Maxwell allegedly procured girls for, without that NDA large numbers of celebrities and wealthy individuals would be feeling nervous
Two American presidents, let us remember. TWO
Edit: ALLEGEDLY
Trump also met him certainly, though I don't think Trump is ever alleged to have been to his private island and Trump did ban Epstein from Mar a Lago for hitting on a girl
On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?
He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?
If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
He has faced no criminal charges and is not Head of State or heir.
The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
The DoJ wanted to interview him and he refused. A disgusting decision when the sexual abuse of children is involved. It brings deep shame on the House of Windsor.
So your case has shifted from We didn't hand him over to He didn't hand himself over. That's a start.
What would you personally do if you heard tomorrow morning that the DoJ wanted to interview you over charges of child abuse, and you received legal advice that you did not have to comply with this request?
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
Not a massively well informed comment. There's no suggestion whatever either that we are obliged to extradite him, or that he has received special treatment by the English courts because of his Royal status or for any other reason.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
Multiple Origins
It's been around for quite a while, it was dismissed for a couple of decades, but recent discoveries are giving it new credibility
"The finding that "Mitochondrial Eve" was relatively recent and African seemed to give the upper hand to the proponents of the Out of Africa hypothesis. But in 2002, Alan Templeton published a genetic analysis involving other loci in the genome as well, and this showed that some variants that are present in modern populations existed already in Asia hundreds of thousands of years ago.[26] This meant that even if our male line (Y chromosome) and our female line (mitochondrial DNA) came out of Africa in the last 100,000 years or so, we have inherited other genes from populations that were already outside of Africa. Since this study other studies have been done using much more data (see Phylogeography)."
I see. I believe though that ultimately the older Asian populations are thought to be from earlier African migrations though. Possibly we’ll never know. The number of our ancestral species fossils we have is so sparse.
I found the video below fairly interesting, if somewhat arcane (and probably one for the lawyers). Basically: this guy got called in for the defence on a court case about some erosion around a housing development. He rather holes the plaintiff's expert witness' testimony.
Whilst the expert's evidence is very poor, the question I'm left with is how I'd calculate the amount of erosion between 2006 and 2019, what data sources would I use? And is it even feasible to measure with any accuracy?
I can imagine there's all sorts of poor expert evidence floating around in the court system - especially in unusual cases.
Dated air photos? Google Earth has time sequences to some extent, for instance (not availoable on vanilla Google Maps, though). Ditto sat mapping depending on scale.
OS Mapping? Probably not, unless the OS were working there in 2006 and you got a surveyor in today.
It was in the US. He goes into some of the problems with aerial photos: not only were the photos used at different resolutions, you have to correct for the height and angle the photo was taken at, all of which can add little differences. When you are just talking about a few feet of difference, and a pixel is a foot, it becomes really difficult.
I bet a method has been devised to accurately measure coastal erosion; but that might just be proper surveys.
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
He has faced no criminal charges and is not Head of State or heir.
The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
The DoJ wanted to interview him and he refused. A disgusting decision when the sexual abuse of children is involved. It brings deep shame on the House of Windsor.
Unfortunately the guilty and innocent alike are able to to defend themselves in every way the law allows, and both innocent and guilty are probably advised to never talk to the authorities, especially those of another nation, unless you are obligated to do so, even if you are not the target of what they want to talk about.
It's criticisable, definitely, especially when paired with claims of being open and willing to cooperate. Though the level of outrage and disgust seems to be extrapolated from accusations, not his evasions. We've genuinely seem comments about proving innocence, an attitude that doesn't seem to be applied outside this story, for pretty good reason, so the more histrionic stuff seems to be in part about signalling.
Hopefully some truth will emerge out of such proceedings as do exist, even in their more limited form. Accountability would flow from that, if we are lucky.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
Multiple Origins
It's been around for quite a while, it was dismissed for a couple of decades, but recent discoveries are giving it new credibility
"The finding that "Mitochondrial Eve" was relatively recent and African seemed to give the upper hand to the proponents of the Out of Africa hypothesis. But in 2002, Alan Templeton published a genetic analysis involving other loci in the genome as well, and this showed that some variants that are present in modern populations existed already in Asia hundreds of thousands of years ago.[26] This meant that even if our male line (Y chromosome) and our female line (mitochondrial DNA) came out of Africa in the last 100,000 years or so, we have inherited other genes from populations that were already outside of Africa. Since this study other studies have been done using much more data (see Phylogeography)."
I see. I believe though that ultimately the older Asian populations are thought to be from earlier African migrations though. Possibly we’ll never know. The number of our ancestral species fossils we have is so sparse.
No, see my other comment. It is arguable China shows another primordial source of humanity
Certainly the more they uncover in Asia the more complex the picture becomes. "Out of Africa" is simplistic
"But all agree that Asia — the largest continent on Earth — has a lot more to offer in terms of unravelling the human story. “The center of gravity,” says Petraglia, “is shifting eastward.”"
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Just pushes everything further back. Very much doubt if there was ever a mitochondrial Eve, though. I think it’s true to say that Africa has fewer people with non-sapiens genes than any other continent.
Great article. Finally someone has articulated in the mainstream press that maybe it's not such a great idea to keep everyone alive indefinitely.
The budget is more proof that Britain is turning into an elderly care system with a state attached is the headline. The article is not paywalled, for whatever reason. The basic proposition is interesting enough, that Britain is an ageing state, with high borrowing and anaemic growth (do not be fooled by the current but temporarily high growth which is just bouncing back from the depths of lockdown). The Conservatives cannot row back on spending on the elderly if they want to win elections.
How to pay for it? More tax, more borrowing, austerity for everything else (Cameron/Osborne), economic growth (cf @Philip_Thompson & me)? That's where the article tails off, just as it is becoming interesting.
Anyway, it is not paywalled so reflexive skipping over Times links is not needed this once.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
Oft made but not imo a great comparison. On the practicalities, firstly, there aren't a small but significant number of white people who need to become black in order to live their life. And on the theory side, gender identity is different to racial identity. Scientifically, philosophically, legally, it's quite different. If people really ponder it, they'll see this, I think.
On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?
He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?
If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.
Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
He has faced no criminal charges and is not Head of State or heir.
The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
He is on the line to inherit the Crown. Which is why he is one of the counsellors of state, the only four people who can carry out the Sovereign's duties in this archaic and primitive polity called the UK.
Her does no royal duties and is behind Charles, William and his children and even Harry and his children in the line of succession.
We are no more archaic than Spain, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, Japan, Jordan, Australia, Canada and New Zealand who also have constitutional monarchies
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
They are throwing mud in the hope some of it sticks.
It appears their strategy is to say Virginia Giuffre cannot bring any action because of a prior agreement she had with Epstein.
The prince’s lawyers argue that an out-of-court settlement reached between Giuffre and Epstein in 2009 protects Andrew from any liability. However, a copy of the settlement filed as an exhibit on Friday was completely blacked out.
Let that sink in, Andrew wants the whole thing thrown out because of that, that's going to look awful in the eyes of the public.
It was not just Andrew Epstein and Maxwell allegedly procured girls for, without that NDA large numbers of celebrities and wealthy individuals would be feeling nervous
Two American presidents, let us remember. TWO
Edit: ALLEGEDLY
Trump also met him certainly, though I don't think Trump is ever alleged to have been to his private island and Trump did ban Epstein from Mar a Lago for hitting on a girl
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
Oft made but not imo a great comparison. On the practicalities, firstly, there aren't a small but significant number of white people who need to become black in order to live their life. And on the theory side, gender identity is different to racial identity. Scientifically, philosophically, legally, it's quite different. If people really ponder it, they'll see this, I think.
Do tell us how race is "scientifically" different to gender. I'm all ears
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
He has faced no criminal charges and is not Head of State or heir.
The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
He is on the line to inherit the Crown. Which is why he is one of the counsellors of state, the only four people who can carry out the Sovereign's duties in this archaic and primitive polity called the UK.
Her does no royal duties and is behind Charles, William and his children and even Harry and his children in the line of succession.
We are no more archaic than Spain, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, Japan, Jordan, Australia, Canada and New Zealand who also have constitutional monarchies
Oh really? Then why is Princess Anne not the heir, for a start? And why is HMtQ the head of the state religion still?
And you are fiddling the data. You're counting the same monarchy four times over.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
Not a massively well informed comment. There's no suggestion whatever either that we are obliged to extradite him, or that he has received special treatment by the English courts because of his Royal status or for any other reason.
A moronic comment , ignorant of the law,.
Could you expand on that? I am genuinely interested to hear from you on this, so please don't be put off by the fact that I am a solicitor of the courts of England and Wales, and you probably have no legal education whatever. Let a thousand flowers bloom.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.
In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.
They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.
You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
Good god. It actually says that in his documents? I thought you were joking
A catastrophic decision
The whole strategy is courageous.
The way they are trying to get it thrown out just looks awful.
Especially in light of the Prince's previous denials about never meeting her.
US trial lawyers generally know what they are doing, mad as this looks. Trying to prejudice a jury somewhere down the line?
That applies to the prosecution as well as the defense. Esp. when you are talking about criminal conspiracy-human trafficking-public corruption federal prosecutors of the Southern District of New York.
It's disgusting we didn't hand over Prince Andrew for criminal prosecution. The whole element of having a family seemingly above legal sanction is a big argument for being a republic.
He has faced no criminal charges and is not Head of State or heir.
The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
He is on the line to inherit the Crown. Which is why he is one of the counsellors of state, the only four people who can carry out the Sovereign's duties in this archaic and primitive polity called the UK.
Her does no royal duties and is behind Charles, William and his children and even Harry and his children in the line of succession.
We are no more archaic than Spain, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, Japan, Jordan, Australia, Canada and New Zealand who also have constitutional monarchies
Oh really? Then why is Princess Anne not the heir, for a start? And why is HMtQ the head of the state religion still?
And you are fiddling the data. You're counting the same monarchy four times over.
The Royal Marriages Act ensures female heirs in future will be in line for the succession based on age not gender.
Australia, Canada and NZ are all constitutional monarchies like the UK, just they all share the same monarch with us
On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?
He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?
If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.
Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.
Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It’s obvious that interbreeding is possible between Europeans and East Asians and I have three grandchildren to prove it! And I see no reason, from the experiences of others, that in the fullness of tIme I shouldn’t have great-grandchildren as well. Although not too soon, I hope, since the elder two are mid-teens!
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
The Neanderthals eventually settled in Holland, disguising this for centuries by a subtle shuffling of their letters.
Nowadays, wherever you go in Europe, you will find yourself behind one of them driving along in their campervan.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
The Neanderthals eventually settled in Holland, disguising this for centuries by a subtle shuffling of their letters.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
The Neanderthals eventually settled in Holland, disguising this for centuries by a subtle shuffling of their letters.
Nowadays, wherever you go in Europe, you will find yourself behind one of them driving along in their campervan.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?
He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?
If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.
Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.
Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.
Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.
And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
EDIT - which is NOT to say that I'd count out JKIII for good and done. He's got potential. Just remains to be seen IF it's realized politically . . . sometime in the next (dare I say it?) generation if NOT the next four years.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Fishy might be wrong word though in hot, dry places.
On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?
He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?
If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.
Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.
Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.
Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.
And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
Great article. Finally someone has articulated in the mainstream press that maybe it's not such a great idea to keep everyone alive indefinitely.
The budget is more proof that Britain is turning into an elderly care system with a state attached is the headline. The article is not paywalled, for whatever reason. The basic proposition is interesting enough, that Britain is an ageing state, with high borrowing and anaemic growth (do not be fooled by the current but temporarily high growth which is just bouncing back from the depths of lockdown). The Conservatives cannot row back on spending on the elderly if they want to win elections.
How to pay for it? More tax, more borrowing, austerity for everything else (Cameron/Osborne), economic growth (cf @Philip_Thompson & me)? That's where the article tails off, just as it is becoming interesting.
Anyway, it is not paywalled so reflexive skipping over Times links is not needed this once.
The comments are a microcosm of the thinking on this critical area of debate - a complete void of solutions and just more whining and whingeing and claiming it's "another attack on the old" as well as the usual sniping about public sector pensions based on a total and complete misunderstanding of how they operate and failing to ask why private sector organisations don't, won't or can't do the same.
The demographic "timebomb" as it was called, was recognised in the 80s but we've made no real provision to deal with it.
I don't have any answers to Colville's article either - it's a bit like the climate change argument. There's a long term solution but in the short to medium term, there seems little alternative to some pain whether it be tax rises or spending cuts but as the likes of @Sandpit have argued, just as environmental policies tend to impact the poorest the hardest so would changes to try to mitigate the demographic crisis.
The problem is or are the politics - as Colville intimates, turkeys tend not to vote for Christmas and if a substantial bloc of your support derives from a demographic, your political interests are served by keeping that demographic sweet irrespective of the problems that causes down the line. Kicking the can down the road wins you elections but it rarely solves the real problems.
A really well-written piece on the increasing societal inequality resulting from the pandemic. It’s from an American perspective, but a lot of the lessons are the same on the other side of the pond.
“ From the outset of the pandemic, there were two types of people: people who could work from home and people who couldn’t. Those people who didn’t have the luxury of working from their couch made it possible for the millions of people who were able to shelter in place and post pictures of their sourdough on Instagram. In my Los Angeles neighborhood, even at the height of the pandemic, a week didn’t pass without the sound of a gardener’s leaf blower, and the nannies I recognized from their daily walks with the children were there when the rest of the city was eerily quiet.”
“ Meanwhile, in an effort to “protect” its citizens, California began mandating militant public health policies. Public parks were closed, leaving little outdoor space for people crammed in tight quarters in dense urban centers. Schools shut down, leaving families who still had to go to work and couldn’t afford high-speed Wi-Fi and devices for each child to figure out how to get their kids to Zoom school. The local Vietnamese mom and pop, and countless other small businesses, were closed, but the mega-Walmart was allowed to stay open. At their core, these policies were structurally racist and classist, and yet there was no outcry.”
Oh, and why is it that so much of the best social commentary of the last few years, has written by comedians?
Does anybody else think the moderate decline in the rate of hospital admition for the over 65 since the 20 October, while hospital admition in other age groups are going up (slitlay) might be a sine of the vaccine boater shots working?
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?
He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?
If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.
Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.
Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.
Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.
And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.
Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.
But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
Does anybody else think the moderate decline in the rate of hospital admition for the over 65 since the 20 October, while hospital admition in other age groups are going up (slitlay) might be a sine of the vaccine boater shots working?
Could be.
It's work noting that we now have hospitalisation R declining as well. And positivity plateauing. Which all suggests that there is something really happening, rather than just the re-test thing or just half term.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
A really well-written piece on the increasing societal inequality resulting from the pandemic. It’s from an American perspective, but a lot of the lessons are the same on the other side of the pond.
Oh, and why is it that so much of the best social commentary of the last few years, has written by comedians?
Yes, we all know it happened here but apart from smugly pointing that out, so what?
I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?
There are those whose jobs preclude home working - retail and construction being two obvious candidates as well as those for whom home working isn't an option whether because of the home environment or because they can't psychologically deal with it.
Then there are those whose employers were so distrusting they compelled them into the office because they swallowed the Mail propaganda and claimed home workers were not really working but riding their Pelotons and enjoying an easy life.
I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
Indeed, fireworks are a 12 months of the year PITA round this part of Yorkshire. I'd not heard the drug dealer theory before, I thought it was just weddings and birthday parties.
Here is my Leader Ratings table for the end of October.
At the bottom are the September and October averages of the pollsters last polls, so Boris's Net Lead has improved 0.1 to 5.4 in the last month, but his Gross Positive lead is down 0.4 to 9.4
A flaw in this is that some pollsters haven't done leader ratings this month, so their Sep polls are used. But I think if I keep doing this every month we will see the patterns ok
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
If it's good enough for the "New World" monkeys...
The individuals whose descendants would become Platyrrhini are currently conjectured to have migrated to South America either on a raft of vegetation or via a land bridge.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
I’ve just reread/listened to bill bryson’s a short history (free, on audible unlimited) and one of the many things that stuck out was how little of life is actually preserved in fossils. Th full story of life on this planet will never be known. We can only guess from statistically negligible fragments preserved in the fossil record, most of which is still out there, waiting to be found. There are millions of species that we will never know of.
I expect the consensus story of origin willl change several times throughout my lifetime. And probably still be wrong.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
The latest evidence about the Tarim mummies from China is fascinating.
A really well-written piece on the increasing societal inequality resulting from the pandemic. It’s from an American perspective, but a lot of the lessons are the same on the other side of the pond.
Oh, and why is it that so much of the best social commentary of the last few years, has written by comedians?
Yes, we all know it happened here but apart from smugly pointing that out, so what?
I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?
There are those whose jobs preclude home working - retail and construction being two obvious candidates as well as those for whom home working isn't an option whether because of the home environment or because they can't psychologically deal with it.
Then there are those whose employers were so distrusting they compelled them into the office because they swallowed the Mail propaganda and claimed home workers were not really working but riding their Pelotons and enjoying an easy life.
I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.
It's the same inequality - just different.
A large number of people seem not to make this connections. To them, it is part of The Order Of Things* that they order something and it arrives within hours. That actual people are evolved, and the wages required to make free** delivery possible seems to pass them by.
*Obedience Brings Victory, and Victory is Life. **Ha ha ha
A really well-written piece on the increasing societal inequality resulting from the pandemic. It’s from an American perspective, but a lot of the lessons are the same on the other side of the pond.
Oh, and why is it that so much of the best social commentary of the last few years, has written by comedians?
Yes, we all know it happened here but apart from smugly pointing that out, so what?
I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?
There are those whose jobs preclude home working - retail and construction being two obvious candidates as well as those for whom home working isn't an option whether because of the home environment or because they can't psychologically deal with it.
Then there are those whose employers were so distrusting they compelled them into the office because they swallowed the Mail propaganda and claimed home workers were not really working but riding their Pelotons and enjoying an easy life.
I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.
It's the same inequality - just different.
A large number of people seem not to make this connections. To them, it is part of The Order Of Things* that they order something and it arrives within hours. That actual people are evolved, and the wages required to make free** delivery possible seems to pass them by.
*Obedience Brings Victory, and Victory is Life. **Ha ha ha
The only thing of interest in these polls is the Green number. I think it's very likely that the LDs will vanish and the Greens absorb pretty much all of their share. It might happen the other way around, but not with the current leadership.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
If it's good enough for the "New World" monkeys...
The individuals whose descendants would become Platyrrhini are currently conjectured to have migrated to South America either on a raft of vegetation or via a land bridge.
I’d go for land bridge. Long, long time before proto-humans were around.
A really well-written piece on the increasing societal inequality resulting from the pandemic. It’s from an American perspective, but a lot of the lessons are the same on the other side of the pond.
Oh, and why is it that so much of the best social commentary of the last few years, has written by comedians?
Yes, we all know it happened here but apart from smugly pointing that out, so what?
I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?
There are those whose jobs preclude home working - retail and construction being two obvious candidates as well as those for whom home working isn't an option whether because of the home environment or because they can't psychologically deal with it.
Then there are those whose employers were so distrusting they compelled them into the office because they swallowed the Mail propaganda and claimed home workers were not really working but riding their Pelotons and enjoying an easy life.
I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.
It's the same inequality - just different.
A large number of people seem not to make this connections. To them, it is part of The Order Of Things* that they order something and it arrives within hours. That actual people are evolved, and the wages required to make free** delivery possible seems to pass them by.
*Obedience Brings Victory, and Victory is Life. **Ha ha ha
OT fireworks have started. Diwali and Guy Fawkes are next week, of course.
Diwali is late this year. I used to think a progressive government should wind up the kippers by having a new bank holiday around 22 October, as a joint celebrate diwali and apologise to the French and Spanish for Trafalgar day.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
The doldrums perhaps?
Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
The doldrums perhaps?
Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
Those historical trading links were what catapulted those areas to prosperity after all.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
I’ve just reread/listened to bill bryson’s a short history and one of the many things that stuck out was how little of life is actually preserved in fossils. Th full story of life on this planet will never be known. We can only guess from statistically negligible fragments preserved in the fossil record, most of which is still unknown.
Yet some of the little that IS preserved is incredible in how much it conveys.
For example, not too long along ancient human footprints were discovered, I forget where.
Analysis showed that one of the people who made the prints was a young woman (don't ask me how they know that) carrying a child on her hip, discernible due to her stride. Also because every now and then, she'd stop and set the kid down to take a breather.
A really well-written piece on the increasing societal inequality resulting from the pandemic. It’s from an American perspective, but a lot of the lessons are the same on the other side of the pond.
Oh, and why is it that so much of the best social commentary of the last few years, has written by comedians?
Yes, we all know it happened here but apart from smugly pointing that out, so what?
I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?
There are those whose jobs preclude home working - retail and construction being two obvious candidates as well as those for whom home working isn't an option whether because of the home environment or because they can't psychologically deal with it.
Then there are those whose employers were so distrusting they compelled them into the office because they swallowed the Mail propaganda and claimed home workers were not really working but riding their Pelotons and enjoying an easy life.
I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.
It's the same inequality - just different.
A large number of people seem not to make this connections. To them, it is part of The Order Of Things* that they order something and it arrives within hours. That actual people are evolved, and the wages required to make free** delivery possible seems to pass them by.
*Obedience Brings Victory, and Victory is Life. **Ha ha ha
That's a Jem of a quote.
Ah, A Deep (Space) knowledge you have....
I Hadar good opportunity for a pun, as if I would say Nein.
I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?
What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
This is now disputed, actually
Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
Not so.
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
Yes
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
The doldrums perhaps?
Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
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The former US President Bill Clinton of course went on Epstein's jet and according to Clinton's aide went to Epstein's private island with him (though I am sure was entirely innocent).
Bill Gates too and numerous other celebrity and wealthy people associated with Epstein
Get into genealogy and all sorts of preconceptions go out of the window.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/oct/29/subtle-transition-as-ageing-queen-devolves-more-duties
Edit: ALLEGEDLY
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 39% (+2)
LAB: 33% (-)
GRN: 10% (-)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
REFUK: 3% (-1)
via @YouGov
, 27 - 28 Oct
Chgs. w/ 21 Oct"
And the real problem goes beyond racial discrimination (although that is a problem too) - many elite US universities have a public policy of favouring applicants whose family went to (and donated to) them.
The consequence of this is that at many universities a very significant number of places are going to the (basically all white) children of alumni, leaving a relatively small pool for everyone else. To avoid looking wildly racially disproportionate, they then implement quotas on the remaining bit.
This results in a reasonable number of places for minorities, lots of places for the children of wealthy alumni, and not a lot of places for others.
If you made preference in favour of the children of alumni and donors illegal, then there would be far less need (if any) to have racial preference in the admissions process.
When I were a lad the Yanks at the East Anglian airbases used to send a bus or two down to Southend on a Saturday night to find girls ‘who’d like to go to a party at an air base.’
Led to fights.
I found the video below fairly interesting, if somewhat arcane (and probably one for the lawyers). Basically: this guy got called in for the defence on a court case about some erosion around a housing development. He rather holes the plaintiff's expert witness' testimony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtP5k2dLiTI
Whilst the expert's evidence is very poor, the question I'm left with is how I'd calculate the amount of erosion between 2006 and 2019, what data sources would I use? And is it even feasible to measure with any accuracy?
I can imagine there's all sorts of poor expert evidence floating around in the court system - especially in unusual cases.
OS Mapping? Probably not, unless the OS were working there in 2006 and you got a surveyor in today.
It's been around for quite a while, it was dismissed for a couple of decades, but recent discoveries are giving it new credibility
"The finding that "Mitochondrial Eve" was relatively recent and African seemed to give the upper hand to the proponents of the Out of Africa hypothesis. But in 2002, Alan Templeton published a genetic analysis involving other loci in the genome as well, and this showed that some variants that are present in modern populations existed already in Asia hundreds of thousands of years ago.[26] This meant that even if our male line (Y chromosome) and our female line (mitochondrial DNA) came out of Africa in the last 100,000 years or so, we have inherited other genes from populations that were already outside of Africa. Since this study other studies have been done using much more data (see Phylogeography)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiregional_origin_of_modern_humans
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/04/trump-banned-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-for-hitting-on-girl.html
What would you personally do if you heard tomorrow morning that the DoJ wanted to interview you over charges of child abuse, and you received legal advice that you did not have to comply with this request?
China. And Asia, more widely
"Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
I bet a method has been devised to accurately measure coastal erosion; but that might just be proper surveys.
It's criticisable, definitely, especially when paired with claims of being open and willing to cooperate. Though the level of outrage and disgust seems to be extrapolated from accusations, not his evasions. We've genuinely seem comments about proving innocence, an attitude that doesn't seem to be applied outside this story, for pretty good reason, so the more histrionic stuff seems to be in part about signalling.
Hopefully some truth will emerge out of such proceedings as do exist, even in their more limited form. Accountability would flow from that, if we are lucky.
Certainly the more they uncover in Asia the more complex the picture becomes. "Out of Africa" is simplistic
"But all agree that Asia — the largest continent on Earth — has a lot more to offer in terms of unravelling the human story. “The center of gravity,” says Petraglia, “is shifting eastward.”"
I think it’s true to say that Africa has fewer people with non-sapiens genes than any other continent.
How to pay for it? More tax, more borrowing, austerity for everything else (Cameron/Osborne), economic growth (cf @Philip_Thompson & me)? That's where the article tails off, just as it is becoming interesting.
Anyway, it is not paywalled so reflexive skipping over Times links is not needed this once.
Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
We are no more archaic than Spain, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, Japan, Jordan, Australia, Canada and New Zealand who also have constitutional monarchies
The Democrats are such terrible hypocrites
And you are fiddling the data. You're counting the same monarchy four times over.
Australia, Canada and NZ are all constitutional monarchies like the UK, just they all share the same monarch with us
Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
And I see no reason, from the experiences of others, that in the fullness of tIme I shouldn’t have great-grandchildren as well. Although not too soon, I hope, since the elder two are mid-teens!
Nowadays, wherever you go in Europe, you will find yourself behind one of them driving along in their campervan.
Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.
And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
EDIT - which is NOT to say that I'd count out JKIII for good and done. He's got potential. Just remains to be seen IF it's realized politically . . . sometime in the next (dare I say it?) generation if NOT the next four years.
And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?
In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia
The demographic "timebomb" as it was called, was recognised in the 80s but we've made no real provision to deal with it.
I don't have any answers to Colville's article either - it's a bit like the climate change argument. There's a long term solution but in the short to medium term, there seems little alternative to some pain whether it be tax rises or spending cuts but as the likes of @Sandpit have argued, just as environmental policies tend to impact the poorest the hardest so would changes to try to mitigate the demographic crisis.
The problem is or are the politics - as Colville intimates, turkeys tend not to vote for Christmas and if a substantial bloc of your support derives from a demographic, your political interests are served by keeping that demographic sweet irrespective of the problems that causes down the line. Kicking the can down the road wins you elections but it rarely solves the real problems.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/lectures-from-limousine-liberals
“ From the outset of the pandemic, there were two types of people: people who could work from home and people who couldn’t. Those people who didn’t have the luxury of working from their couch made it possible for the millions of people who were able to shelter in place and post pictures of their sourdough on Instagram. In my Los Angeles neighborhood, even at the height of the pandemic, a week didn’t pass without the sound of a gardener’s leaf blower, and the nannies I recognized from their daily walks with the children were there when the rest of the city was eerily quiet.”
“ Meanwhile, in an effort to “protect” its citizens, California began mandating militant public health policies. Public parks were closed, leaving little outdoor space for people crammed in tight quarters in dense urban centers. Schools shut down, leaving families who still had to go to work and couldn’t afford high-speed Wi-Fi and devices for each child to figure out how to get their kids to Zoom school. The local Vietnamese mom and pop, and countless other small businesses, were closed, but the mega-Walmart was allowed to stay open. At their core, these policies were structurally racist and classist, and yet there was no outcry.”
Oh, and why is it that so much of the best social commentary of the last few years, has written by comedians?
Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.
But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
When I was quite young I read the books of Eric Von Daniken. So disappointing to find out he was a fraud.
It's work noting that we now have hospitalisation R declining as well. And positivity plateauing. Which all suggests that there is something really happening, rather than just the re-test thing or just half term.
But Lab -2
Con 40
Lab 35
LD 8
Green 7
I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?
There are those whose jobs preclude home working - retail and construction being two obvious candidates as well as those for whom home working isn't an option whether because of the home environment or because they can't psychologically deal with it.
Then there are those whose employers were so distrusting they compelled them into the office because they swallowed the Mail propaganda and claimed home workers were not really working but riding their Pelotons and enjoying an easy life.
I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.
It's the same inequality - just different.
At the bottom are the September and October averages of the pollsters last polls, so Boris's Net Lead has improved 0.1 to 5.4 in the last month, but his Gross Positive lead is down 0.4 to 9.4
A flaw in this is that some pollsters haven't done leader ratings this month, so their Sep polls are used. But I think if I keep doing this every month we will see the patterns ok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_monkey
The individuals whose descendants would become Platyrrhini are currently conjectured to have migrated to South America either on a raft of vegetation or via a land bridge.
I expect the consensus story of origin willl change several times throughout my lifetime. And probably still be wrong.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/bronze-age-mummies-in-china-were-part-of-mysterious-ancient-group-180978953/
*Obedience Brings Victory, and Victory is Life.
**Ha ha ha
CON: 40% (-1)
LAB: 35% (-2)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 7% (+2)
via @OpiniumResearch
Chgs. w/ 15 Oct
For example, not too long along ancient human footprints were discovered, I forget where.
Analysis showed that one of the people who made the prints was a young woman (don't ask me how they know that) carrying a child on her hip, discernible due to her stride. Also because every now and then, she'd stop and set the kid down to take a breather.