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  • ping said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    I’ve just reread/listened to bill bryson’s a short history and one of the many things that stuck out was how little of life is actually preserved in fossils. Th full story of life on this planet will never be known. We can only guess from statistically negligible fragments preserved in the fossil record, most of which is still out there, waiting to be found. There are millions of species that we will never know of.

    I expect the consensus story of origin willl change several times throughout my lifetime. And probably still be wrong.
    Also have to consider that many parts of the world that would have been ideal places to live during the Ice Age are now up to 100 m (328 ft) underwater, and are unavailable for archaeology or palaeontology.

    Such places include Doggerland in the North Sea, the floor of the Persian Gulf, and the Sunda Shelf linking Sumatra, Java and Borneo into one landmass

    The latter especially would have had a great climate during the Ice Age, being on the equator.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    isam said:

    Here is my Leader Ratings table for the end of October.

    At the bottom are the September and October averages of the pollsters last polls, so Boris's Net Lead has improved 0.1 to 5.4 in the last month, but his Gross Positive lead is down 0.4 to 9.4

    A flaw in this is that some pollsters haven't done leader ratings this month, so their Sep polls are used. But I think if I keep doing this every month we will see the patterns ok


    Maybe it is better to just use October's polls, in which case Boris's Gross Positive lead is down to 8.5 from 9.8 and Net Sat lead is down to 3.8 from 5.3


  • LOL. Do they eat cake while they are waiting? Having said that, some idiot round here let off a couple at 3am last week. It is like Dawn Butler's gay giraffes (HIGNFY): extraordinary claims require at least a raised eyebrow and a quick google.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,254
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Not disputed by anyone worth listening to as far as I can see.
    No, it really is disputed
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871

    stodge said:


    Yes, we all know it happened here but apart from smugly pointing that out, so what?

    I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?

    I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.

    It's the same inequality - just different.

    A large number of people seem not to make this connections. To them, it is part of The Order Of Things* that they order something and it arrives within hours. That actual people are evolved, and the wages required to make free** delivery possible seems to pass them by.

    *Obedience Brings Victory, and Victory is Life.
    **Ha ha ha
    The problem is the ethos of the capitalist system is to try to drive down the costs of production and delivery to enhance affordability and therefore profitability.

    If you paid those who are part of the infrastructure (whether in the warehouses or the delivery vans) a higher wage, the cost would be passed to the consumer, some of whom might then refuse to buy the product because it's become too expensive.

    It's not as though the Amazons of this world are struggling - though now they have to pay 15% corporation tax everywhere they'll start pleading poverty as well.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    edited October 2021
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    A really well-written piece on the increasing societal inequality resulting from the pandemic. It’s from an American perspective, but a lot of the lessons are the same on the other side of the pond.

    Oh, and why is it that so much of the best social commentary of the last few years, has written by comedians?

    Yes, we all know it happened here but apart from smugly pointing that out, so what?

    I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?

    There are those whose jobs preclude home working - retail and construction being two obvious candidates as well as those for whom home working isn't an option whether because of the home environment or because they can't psychologically deal with it.

    Then there are those whose employers were so distrusting they compelled them into the office because they swallowed the Mail propaganda and claimed home workers were not really working but riding their Pelotons and enjoying an easy life.

    I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.

    It's the same inequality - just different.
    A large number of people seem not to make this connections. To them, it is part of The Order Of Things* that they order something and it arrives within hours. That actual people are evolved, and the wages required to make free** delivery possible seems to pass them by.

    *Obedience Brings Victory, and Victory is Life.
    **Ha ha ha
    That's a Jem of a quote.
    Ah, A Deep (Space) knowledge you have....
    I Hadar good opportunity for a pun, as if I would say Nein.
    And In The Pale Moonlight, your morality might be... tailored....
  • stodge said:

    Sandpit said:

    A really well-written piece on the increasing societal inequality resulting from the pandemic. It’s from an American perspective, but a lot of the lessons are the same on the other side of the pond.

    Oh, and why is it that so much of the best social commentary of the last few years, has written by comedians?

    Yes, we all know it happened here but apart from smugly pointing that out, so what?

    I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?

    There are those whose jobs preclude home working - retail and construction being two obvious candidates as well as those for whom home working isn't an option whether because of the home environment or because they can't psychologically deal with it.

    Then there are those whose employers were so distrusting they compelled them into the office because they swallowed the Mail propaganda and claimed home workers were not really working but riding their Pelotons and enjoying an easy life.

    I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.

    It's the same inequality - just different.
    A large number of people seem not to make this connections. To them, it is part of The Order Of Things* that they order something and it arrives within hours. That actual people are evolved, and the wages required to make free** delivery possible seems to pass them by.

    *Obedience Brings Victory, and Victory is Life.
    **Ha ha ha
    Yes, I've spent most of the last decade WFH so am nu no means opposed to it but the zeal of recent converts is alarming. So many see no downsides, or even seem to notice that lots of people cannot work from home. I'm all right, Jack. (The corollary is there are also those who have vested interest in returning to offices.)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa?

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    It works in Risk, but not in real life
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,897
    edited October 2021

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,420

    ping said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    I’ve just reread/listened to bill bryson’s a short history and one of the many things that stuck out was how little of life is actually preserved in fossils. Th full story of life on this planet will never be known. We can only guess from statistically negligible fragments preserved in the fossil record, most of which is still out there, waiting to be found. There are millions of species that we will never know of.

    I expect the consensus story of origin willl change several times throughout my lifetime. And probably still be wrong.
    Also have to consider that many parts of the world that would have been ideal places to live during the Ice Age are now up to 100 m (328 ft) underwater, and are unavailable for archaeology or palaeontology.

    Such places include Doggerland in the North Sea, the floor of the Persian Gulf, and the Sunda Shelf linking Sumatra, Java and Borneo into one landmass

    The latter especially would have had a great climate during the Ice Age, being on the equator.
    The Sunda Shelf could surely reveal some fascinating relics.
  • geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,254
    edited October 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Not disputed by anyone worth listening to as far as I can see.
    Here you go. Some reading

    "Asia’s mysterious role in the early origins of humanity
    Bizarre fossils from China are revealing our species' Asian origins and rewriting the story of human evolution"

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931850-200-asias-mysterious-role-in-the-early-origins-of-humanity/#ixzz7Ao7c52Rr

    "Dragon Man: ancient skull from China could be new human species"

    https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2021/june/ancient-skull-from-china-could-be-new-species-dragon-man.html

    "An Asian Origin for Human Ancestors?
    Myanmar fossil suggests our earliest predecessors may not have come from Africa"

    "Researchers agree that our immediate ancestors, the upright walking apes, arose in Africa. But the discovery of a new primate that lived about 37 million years ago in the ancient swamplands of Myanmar bolsters the idea that the deep primate family tree that gave rise to humans is rooted in Asia. If true, the discovery suggests that the ancestors of all monkeys, apes, and humans—known as the anthropoids—arose in Asia and made the arduous journey to the island continent of Africa almost 40 million years ago."

    https://www.science.org/content/article/asian-origin-human-ancestors
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    stodge said:

    stodge said:


    Yes, we all know it happened here but apart from smugly pointing that out, so what?

    I was fortunate - administrative, professional person - I can WFH and was doing so before it became fashionable. People adapted but yes, the home workers needed a support network including the delivery drivers who brought the food, the drink and the other niceties of life and did we think of the health risks THEY were running?

    I've never argued for home working - I've argued against those who would cajole or coerce people back into offices - in truth, the hybrid work model is probably here to stay - but that has in turn created a new tranche of workers whose role is to go round the streets keeping the home workers fed and watered.

    It's the same inequality - just different.

    A large number of people seem not to make this connections. To them, it is part of The Order Of Things* that they order something and it arrives within hours. That actual people are evolved, and the wages required to make free** delivery possible seems to pass them by.

    *Obedience Brings Victory, and Victory is Life.
    **Ha ha ha
    The problem is the ethos of the capitalist system is to try to drive down the costs of production and delivery to enhance affordability and therefore profitability.

    If you paid those who are part of the infrastructure (whether in the warehouses or the delivery vans) a higher wage, the cost would be passed to the consumer, some of whom might then refuse to buy the product because it's become too expensive.

    It's not as though the Amazons of this world are struggling - though now they have to pay 15% corporation tax everywhere they'll start pleading poverty as well.
    "The problem is the ethos of the capitalist all systems is to try to drive down the costs of production and delivery to enhance affordability and therefore profitability."

    Fixed that for you.

    Every organised society had tried to drive down the cost of production, since they figured out cost of production.

    Hence the Roman enthusiasm for low wage*, immigrant labour**.

    *{snigger}
    **For some reason this reminds me of “We did not land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on us.” - not sure why
  • Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Not disputed by anyone worth listening to as far as I can see.
    Here you go. Some reading

    "Asia’s mysterious role in the early origins of humanity
    Bizarre fossils from China are revealing our species' Asian origins and rewriting the story of human evolution"

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931850-200-asias-mysterious-role-in-the-early-origins-of-humanity/#ixzz7Ao7c52Rr


    "An Asian Origin for Human Ancestors?
    Myanmar fossil suggests our earliest predecessors may not have come from Africa"

    "Researchers agree that our immediate ancestors, the upright walking apes, arose in Africa. But the discovery of a new primate that lived about 37 million years ago in the ancient swamplands of Myanmar bolsters the idea that the deep primate family tree that gave rise to humans is rooted in Asia. If true, the discovery suggests that the ancestors of all monkeys, apes, and humans—known as the anthropoids—arose in Asia and made the arduous journey to the island continent of Africa almost 40 million years ago."

    https://www.science.org/content/article/asian-origin-human-ancestors
    Myanmar isn't a million miles from the submerged Sunda Shelf mentioned upthread.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Sure. But what are we to make of that? Wasn't the context some monkeys doing a KonTiki aeons ago?


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    Aren't we the result of hybridization between apes and aliens?
    Read more wisely.
    Monkeys and aliens?
    I think you're going wrong with the aliens bit.
    Perhaps I spend too much time watching 'Ancient Aliens' on Blaze.
    Ah.. yes... er, no. Obviously I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

    When I was quite young I read the books of Eric Von Daniken. So disappointing to find out he was a fraud.
    More of a nutter than a fraud?

    Try Graham Hancock for an updated, more sophisticated and intelligent version. He is very good at describing the problems presented by the existence of aztec masonry, Gobekli Tepe, the stones at Baalbek, the peculiarities of the Ark of the Covenant etc even if you don't go along with his solutions.
  • geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Sure. But what are we to make of that? Wasn't the context some monkeys doing a KonTiki aeons ago?

    How about early humans doing a Kontiki within the last 200,000 years? If monkeys could do it 40 million years ago, why not humans much more recently?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Sure. But what are we to make of that? Wasn't the context some monkeys doing a KonTiki aeons ago?

    How about early humans doing a Kontiki within the last 200,000 years? If monkeys could do it 40 million years ago, why not humans much more recently?
    Thor Heyerdahl's point, I think.

  • IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    Aren't we the result of hybridization between apes and aliens?
    Read more wisely.
    Monkeys and aliens?
    I think you're going wrong with the aliens bit.
    Perhaps I spend too much time watching 'Ancient Aliens' on Blaze.
    Ah.. yes... er, no. Obviously I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

    When I was quite young I read the books of Eric Von Daniken. So disappointing to find out he was a fraud.
    More of a nutter than a fraud?

    Try Graham Hancock for an updated, more sophisticated and intelligent version. He is very good at describing the problems presented by the existence of aztec masonry, Gobekli Tepe, the stones at Baalbek, the peculiarities of the Ark of the Covenant etc even if you don't go along with his solutions.
    Did you just say Graham Hancock, Ishmael?

    https://grahamhancock.com/drsunilatlantis/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,897
    edited October 2021
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
    Indeed the latest poll of GOP voters in Massachussetts has Diehl beating Baker for the nomination if he runs again, with 50% to just 29% for Baker

    54% of Republican voters have an unfavourable view of Baker. Trump has already endorsed Diehl, saying of Baker 'Baker is definitely not an American First or Make America Great Again kind of guy. Geoff Diehl, on the other hand, is a true patriot, a believer in low energy costs and our independent energy policy'
    https://twitter.com/skoczela/status/1450790427846717449?s=20

    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/heres-what-gov-baker-thinks-about-his-potential-opponent-being-endorsed-by-trump/2509808/
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
    In the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts "unenrolled" voters can vote in either Democratic or Republican primary.

    As of February 2021, according to Mass Secretary of State, of total registration of 4.7m, by party:
    > registered Democrats 32%
    > registered Republicans 10%
    > other 1%
    > unenrolled 57%

    In a primary battle between Charlie Baker and Geoff Diehl, plenty of Dem-leaning unenrolled voters would gravitate to the Republican to aid Baker.

    The same kind of voters that Kennedy would be counting to prevail versus progressive in the Democratic primary.
  • geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Sure. But what are we to make of that? Wasn't the context some monkeys doing a KonTiki aeons ago?

    How about early humans doing a Kontiki within the last 200,000 years? If monkeys could do it 40 million years ago, why not humans much more recently?
    Thor Heyerdahl's point, I think.

    His theory was the Pacific Islands being populated FROM South America.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    Aren't we the result of hybridization between apes and aliens?
    Read more wisely.
    Monkeys and aliens?
    I think you're going wrong with the aliens bit.
    Perhaps I spend too much time watching 'Ancient Aliens' on Blaze.
    Ah.. yes... er, no. Obviously I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

    When I was quite young I read the books of Eric Von Daniken. So disappointing to find out he was a fraud.
    More of a nutter than a fraud?

    Try Graham Hancock for an updated, more sophisticated and intelligent version. He is very good at describing the problems presented by the existence of aztec masonry, Gobekli Tepe, the stones at Baalbek, the peculiarities of the Ark of the Covenant etc even if you don't go along with his solutions.
    Did you just say Graham Hancock, Ishmael?

    https://grahamhancock.com/drsunilatlantis/
    Indeed I did. Fascinating piece, thanks.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    Off-topic:

    I found the video below fairly interesting, if somewhat arcane (and probably one for the lawyers). Basically: this guy got called in for the defence on a court case about some erosion around a housing development. He rather holes the plaintiff's expert witness' testimony.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtP5k2dLiTI

    Whilst the expert's evidence is very poor, the question I'm left with is how I'd calculate the amount of erosion between 2006 and 2019, what data sources would I use? And is it even feasible to measure with any accuracy?

    I can imagine there's all sorts of poor expert evidence floating around in the court system - especially in unusual cases.

    Dated air photos? Google Earth has time sequences to some extent, for instance (not availoable on vanilla Google Maps, though). Ditto sat mapping depending on scale.

    OS Mapping? Probably not, unless the OS were working there in 2006 and you got a surveyor in today.
    It was in the US. He goes into some of the problems with aerial photos: not only were the photos used at different resolutions, you have to correct for the height and angle the photo was taken at, all of which can add little differences. When you are just talking about a few feet of difference, and a pixel is a foot, it becomes really difficult.

    I bet a method has been devised to accurately measure coastal erosion; but that might just be proper surveys.
    Thanks. That sort of accuracy is pretty extreme - I was thinking in terms of tens of metres, and of course the rate of erosion is uneven from year to year.

    I know some people looking at coastal erosion and landslipping - not easy at all.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    But you can do the latter journey on foot.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,254

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Not disputed by anyone worth listening to as far as I can see.
    Here you go. Some reading

    "Asia’s mysterious role in the early origins of humanity
    Bizarre fossils from China are revealing our species' Asian origins and rewriting the story of human evolution"

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931850-200-asias-mysterious-role-in-the-early-origins-of-humanity/#ixzz7Ao7c52Rr


    "An Asian Origin for Human Ancestors?
    Myanmar fossil suggests our earliest predecessors may not have come from Africa"

    "Researchers agree that our immediate ancestors, the upright walking apes, arose in Africa. But the discovery of a new primate that lived about 37 million years ago in the ancient swamplands of Myanmar bolsters the idea that the deep primate family tree that gave rise to humans is rooted in Asia. If true, the discovery suggests that the ancestors of all monkeys, apes, and humans—known as the anthropoids—arose in Asia and made the arduous journey to the island continent of Africa almost 40 million years ago."

    https://www.science.org/content/article/asian-origin-human-ancestors
    Myanmar isn't a million miles from the submerged Sunda Shelf mentioned upthread.
    If all primates come from Asia then it is highly plausible that these primates evolved into hominids in Asia, at roughly the same time as they evolved into hominids in Africa, and they would be able to interbreed if they met again

    Hence, multiple origins

    Mitochondrial Eve and Out of Africa always seemed glib and eurocentric to me. The theory was a pretty good explanation for the origins of Europeans - we probably DID come from Africa - and was confirmed by selection bias - we excavated in Africa, as colonial overlords. South Africa, Kenya, Tanzania: is where we found so many crucial fossils. Funny, that.

    And of course the idea of an Eve chimed with western Christian origin myths

    Asia is much bigger than Africa and better connected to the rest of the world - down to Australasia, merged with Europe, and a short sea hop to the Americas. It actually makes a more likely source for humans, in many ways
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
    Indeed the latest poll of GOP voters in Massachussetts has Diehl beating Baker for the nomination if he runs again, with 50% to just 29% for Baker

    54% of Republican voters have an unfavourable view of Baker. Trump has already endorsed Diehl, saying of Baker 'Baker is definitely not an American First or Make America Great Again kind of guy. Geoff Diehl, on the other hand, is a true patriot, a believer in low energy costs and our independent energy policy'
    https://twitter.com/skoczela/status/1450790427846717449?s=20

    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/heres-what-gov-baker-thinks-about-his-potential-opponent-being-endorsed-by-trump/2509808/
    Already responded re: numbers game.

    Will say that the one (and really only) thing that attracts me about your Kennedy crush, is that his record before & during his service in Congress shows that he is NOT a show pony (or just that) but a work horse. He's a serious guy with a serious interest beyond mere ego or sheer dynasticism.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,897
    edited October 2021

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
    In the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts "unenrolled" voters can vote in either Democratic or Republican primary.

    As of February 2021, according to Mass Secretary of State, of total registration of 4.7m, by party:
    > registered Democrats 32%
    > registered Republicans 10%
    > other 1%
    > unenrolled 57%

    In a primary battle between Charlie Baker and Geoff Diehl, plenty of Dem-leaning unenrolled voters would gravitate to the Republican to aid Baker.

    The same kind of voters that Kennedy would be counting to prevail versus progressive in the Democratic primary.
    There are multiple progressive candidates already declared on the Democratic side including Harvard professor Danielle Young and state Senator Sonia Chiang-Diaz.

    Kennedy therefore could win in theory with just over a third of Democratic primary voters only, the progressive vote will be split, not united as it was behind Markey (and even then Joe Kennedy got 44.5% of the primary vote v Markey which would be enough to win if the progressive vote is split)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,555
    isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Just 23% think Brexit will have a detrimental impact on their personal financial circumstances, with 15% thinking they will improve.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
     

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Sure. But what are we to make of that? Wasn't the context some monkeys doing a KonTiki aeons ago?

    How about early humans doing a Kontiki within the last 200,000 years? If monkeys could do it 40 million years ago, why not humans much more recently?
    Thor Heyerdahl's point, I think.

    His theory was the Pacific Islands being populated FROM South America.
    Yes, an instance of migration across an ocean by 'primitive' peoples.
    Your piece on Sundaland is v interesting btw.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,574

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    But you can do the latter journey on foot.

    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:


  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
    In the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts "unenrolled" voters can vote in either Democratic or Republican primary.

    As of February 2021, according to Mass Secretary of State, of total registration of 4.7m, by party:
    > registered Democrats 32%
    > registered Republicans 10%
    > other 1%
    > unenrolled 57%

    In a primary battle between Charlie Baker and Geoff Diehl, plenty of Dem-leaning unenrolled voters would gravitate to the Republican to aid Baker.

    The same kind of voters that Kennedy would be counting to prevail versus progressive in the Democratic primary.
    There are multiple progressive candidates already declared on the Democratic side including Harvard professor Danielle Young and state Senator Sonia Chiang-Diaz.

    Kennedy therefore could win in theory with just over a third of Democratic primary voters only, the progressive vote will be split, not united as it was behind Markey (and even then Joe Kennedy got 44.5% of the primary v Markey which would be enough to win if the progressive vote is split)
    Yeah, but the progs can count also, they will tend to coalesce IF it looks likely they are dividing and conquering themselves like they did this year in New York City for mayor.

    The biggest problem for Joe Kennedy last year was NOT Markey, it was fact that he never did define and communicate any particular reason WHY he should be in the US Senate, instead of Markey OR in his own right.

    Methinks that he's the kind of guy who can learn from his mistakes (like Uncle Ted did from his, including intra-party election defeats). And IF he does, then MAYBE there's a chance for your bet.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,897

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
    Indeed the latest poll of GOP voters in Massachussetts has Diehl beating Baker for the nomination if he runs again, with 50% to just 29% for Baker

    54% of Republican voters have an unfavourable view of Baker. Trump has already endorsed Diehl, saying of Baker 'Baker is definitely not an American First or Make America Great Again kind of guy. Geoff Diehl, on the other hand, is a true patriot, a believer in low energy costs and our independent energy policy'
    https://twitter.com/skoczela/status/1450790427846717449?s=20

    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/heres-what-gov-baker-thinks-about-his-potential-opponent-being-endorsed-by-trump/2509808/
    Already responded re: numbers game.

    Will say that the one (and really only) thing that attracts me about your Kennedy crush, is that his record before & during his service in Congress shows that he is NOT a show pony (or just that) but a work horse. He's a serious guy with a serious interest beyond mere ego or sheer dynasticism.
    Yes he is brighter than his great uncles JFK and Ted Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy, his grandfather, were and got good grades at Stanford in engineering and management science and Harvard Law.

    He has been an assistant DA and worked in the peace corps in the Dominican Republic before being elected to Congress. He also does community organising like Obama did and is a member of a Biden commission to increase experience of the Federal Government.

    There would be a certain symmetry if 56 years after Bobby Kennedy was shot campaigning to be President, his grandson was elected to the White House



  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,782
    edited October 2021

    isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Just 23% think Brexit will have a detrimental impact on their personal financial circumstances, with 15% thinking they will improve.

    isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Just 23% think Brexit will have a detrimental impact on their personal financial circumstances, with 15% thinking they will improve.
    'Just' in front of the 23 and not the 15.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,794
    Great news on the global tax deal getting unanimous consent at the G20.

    I get a sense that the forecasts will be an order of magnitude lower than the tax we actually raise in the end. My gut feeling is that we severely underestimate the amount of money lost in tax to the tax havens and the higher rate will result in companies deciding to spend more to create value for shareholders instead of paying more tax.

    All of those hundreds of billions sitting on corporate balance sheets needs to be unlocked for the good of mankind. Preventing that from happening would have been the better place to start but hopefully this will halt that.

    I'd also like to see tax movement on cash balances at non financial corporations, maybe a 1% per year annual charge on cash balances over $5bn which can be given back if 5-10x as much as the tax is invested.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,953
    edited October 2021
    I know PB has a shit sex writing connection, but this takes the ruddy biscuit, masticates it into sludge then spits it all over your face. Or chest.

    https://twitter.com/dunntweetin/status/1454368097410985986?s=21
  • carnforth said:


    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    But you can do the latter journey on foot.

    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:




    Key point back in the day, was that you can do the whole trans-Med sea journey within sight of land.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    But you can do the latter journey on foot.
    You can, but it would take you 6 and a half months vs one month by sea, according to https://orbis.stanford.edu/

    The NE trade winds from Africa to the Caribbean/Northern S America are as reliable as fuck. I've done the crossing in 14 days in, OK, a fastish racing yacht, but it took Columbus 6 September - 11 October, or pretty much the same time as orbis gives for a Roman to sail from Cadiz to Jerusalem.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,794
    edited October 2021




    But you can do the latter journey on foot.

    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:




    Key point back in the day, was that you can do the whole trans-Med sea journey within sight of land.

    Why start from that bit of Norway and not the Southern bit of it?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,420

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Sure. But what are we to make of that? Wasn't the context some monkeys doing a KonTiki aeons ago?

    How about early humans doing a Kontiki within the last 200,000 years? If monkeys could do it 40 million years ago, why not humans much more recently?
    Thor Heyerdahl's point, I think.

    His theory was the Pacific Islands being populated FROM South America.
    There may have been some contact, but the DNA suggests the vast majority of Polynesians originated in SE Asia.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    HYUFD said:
    Did they kiss her on arrival?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    carnforth said:


    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).

    But you can do the latter journey on foot.

    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:



    At best, that claim should say "There is a place in Norway which is..."
  • MaxPB said:




    But you can do the latter journey on foot.

    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:




    Key point back in the day, was that you can do the whole trans-Med sea journey within sight of land.

    Why start from that bit of Norway and not the Southern bit of it?
    I really do need to read these stupid threads before I make my stupid comments!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,420
    IshmaelZ said:

    carnforth said:


    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).

    But you can do the latter journey on foot.
    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:



    At best, that claim should say "There is a place in Norway which is..."

    If one looks at maps of the Arctic and sub-Arctic from the North, then the Viking voyages seem much more likely.
  • So have we heard from Cyclefree lately? Does she still (I hope!) have her head above water?

    Flooding is no fun. Have seen up close, the power of the laws of physics is astounding & terrifying.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    MaxPB said:




    But you can do the latter journey on foot.

    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:




    Key point back in the day, was that you can do the whole trans-Med sea journey within sight of land.

    Why start from that bit of Norway and not the Southern bit of it?
    Because the conclusion is that China is closer than Portugal, and you need to work backwards from there?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    kjh said:

    isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Just 23% think Brexit will have a detrimental impact on their personal financial circumstances, with 15% thinking they will improve.

    isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Just 23% think Brexit will have a detrimental impact on their personal financial circumstances, with 15% thinking they will improve.
    'Just' in front of the 23 and not the 15.
    It's like that smaller/further away bit in Father Ted.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    MaxPB said:

    Great news on the global tax deal getting unanimous consent at the G20.

    I get a sense that the forecasts will be an order of magnitude lower than the tax we actually raise in the end. My gut feeling is that we severely underestimate the amount of money lost in tax to the tax havens and the higher rate will result in companies deciding to spend more to create value for shareholders instead of paying more tax.

    All of those hundreds of billions sitting on corporate balance sheets needs to be unlocked for the good of mankind. Preventing that from happening would have been the better place to start but hopefully this will halt that.

    I'd also like to see tax movement on cash balances at non financial corporations, maybe a 1% per year annual charge on cash balances over $5bn which can be given back if 5-10x as much as the tax is invested.

    Indeed and in the context of the earlier piece quoted from The Times, if we do find ourselves with a hitherto-untapped reserve of money at our disposal, let's do something sensible, useful and constructive with it.

    Please, no tax cuts or handing it to corrupt dictators.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    edited October 2021
    This is the BBC report on the G20 agreeing a 15% global tax deal

    BBC News - G20: World leaders agree to historic corporate tax deal
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-59101218
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Farooq said:

    If one looks at maps of the Arctic and sub-Arctic from the North, then the Viking voyages seem much more likely.

    And even that's not necessary. It's really beyond dispute that Nordic people settled North America, and were probably there for some decades.
    But did they reach Mexico? Some evidence that they were.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,236
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
    Indeed the latest poll of GOP voters in Massachussetts has Diehl beating Baker for the nomination if he runs again, with 50% to just 29% for Baker

    54% of Republican voters have an unfavourable view of Baker. Trump has already endorsed Diehl, saying of Baker 'Baker is definitely not an American First or Make America Great Again kind of guy. Geoff Diehl, on the other hand, is a true patriot, a believer in low energy costs and our independent energy policy'
    https://twitter.com/skoczela/status/1450790427846717449?s=20

    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/heres-what-gov-baker-thinks-about-his-potential-opponent-being-endorsed-by-trump/2509808/
    Already responded re: numbers game.

    Will say that the one (and really only) thing that attracts me about your Kennedy crush, is that his record before & during his service in Congress shows that he is NOT a show pony (or just that) but a work horse. He's a serious guy with a serious interest beyond mere ego or sheer dynasticism.
    Yes he is brighter than his great uncles JFK and Ted Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy, his grandfather, were and got good grades at Stanford in engineering and management science and Harvard Law.

    He has been an assistant DA and worked in the peace corps in the Dominican Republic before being elected to Congress. He also does community organising like Obama did and is a member of a Biden commission to increase experience of the Federal Government.

    There would be a certain symmetry if 56 years after Bobby Kennedy was shot campaigning to be President, his grandson was elected to the White House



    The cynic in me thinks "Nicely engineered CV'

    But then, I met a guy who made good money "helping" rich kids build "garage projects" as part of their college applications. So when they rock up at the university interview they can talk about the microlight they scratch built.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited October 2021
    Oh look, it is one of those free speech at University cases that somehow escapes the notice of hyper ventilating right wingers who somehow otherwise know the intimate details of every random student union shadow sub comittes

    https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1454530118454480901?t=LmAHveioYAxSwRX1BR1WqQ&s=19

    University of Florida preventing it's faculty from being expert witnesses because it would upset their political masters.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
    Indeed the latest poll of GOP voters in Massachussetts has Diehl beating Baker for the nomination if he runs again, with 50% to just 29% for Baker

    54% of Republican voters have an unfavourable view of Baker. Trump has already endorsed Diehl, saying of Baker 'Baker is definitely not an American First or Make America Great Again kind of guy. Geoff Diehl, on the other hand, is a true patriot, a believer in low energy costs and our independent energy policy'
    https://twitter.com/skoczela/status/1450790427846717449?s=20

    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/heres-what-gov-baker-thinks-about-his-potential-opponent-being-endorsed-by-trump/2509808/
    Already responded re: numbers game.

    Will say that the one (and really only) thing that attracts me about your Kennedy crush, is that his record before & during his service in Congress shows that he is NOT a show pony (or just that) but a work horse. He's a serious guy with a serious interest beyond mere ego or sheer dynasticism.
    Yes he is brighter than his great uncles JFK and Ted Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy, his grandfather, were and got good grades at Stanford in engineering and management science and Harvard Law.

    He has been an assistant DA and worked in the peace corps in the Dominican Republic before being elected to Congress. He also does community organising like Obama did and is a member of a Biden commission to increase experience of the Federal Government.

    There would be a certain symmetry if 56 years after Bobby Kennedy was shot campaigning to be President, his grandson was elected to the White House

    Don't agree re: intelligence, Bobby in particular was a smart guy, though NOT as much as he thought. Teddy was no rocket scientist, but he ended up achieving a great deal as a very serious legislator in the last decades of his congressional career. Interesting he started out as a jackrabbit - elected a senator as he was turning the minimum age - but ended up the proverbial tortoise.

    Large part of Ted Kennedy's problems stemmed from his emulating his father & brothers as best he could. Whereas Joe K III has taken the opposite path and shunned his clan's notorious dysfunctionality. Which still didn't keep him from buying his own bullshit last year. But then like I said, think he learned from that experience.

    Another thing about the Kennedys - for good or ill, the best of them are NOT quitters.

    Too much true Irish in 'em for that.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,393
    Farooq said:

    If one looks at maps of the Arctic and sub-Arctic from the North, then the Viking voyages seem much more likely.

    And even that's not necessary. It's really beyond dispute that Nordic people settled North America, and were probably there for some decades.
    Wasn’t there some recent news from Aines sur Meadow (in idea of the spelling) about this. I read a great book about the America’s before the Europeans arrived, ‘A journey long and strange’, although this includes the vikings. It’s fascinating how a western view is preeminent about North America pre Columbus. In reality there were huge, complex cultures in place.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Alistair said:

    Oh look, it is one of those free speech at University cases that somehow escapes the notice of hyper ventilating right wingers who somehow otherwise know the intimate details of every random student union shadow sub comittes

    https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1454530118454480901?t=LmAHveioYAxSwRX1BR1WqQ&s=19

    University of Florida preventing it's faculty from being expert witnesses because it would upset their political masters.

    I'm sure there's an actual point of some kind trapped in the body of that post and desperately struggling to get out...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    carnforth said:


    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    But you can do the latter journey on foot.

    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:




    You’re cheating

    You’ve taken the point of Norway that is furthest from Portugal and closer to China. If you measured from Oslo, for example, you’d get a different result
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited October 2021

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, at what point does Biden become value for re-election? 17% for the first-term incumbent must be almost unheard of?

    He'll be an octogenarian at the next election. He's a lame duck already surely?

    If things are going well for Biden then Kamala will be the nominee.
    If Biden's approval gets back up again then yes, or Kamala if he decides not to run again, will be favourite. If not then someone younger like Buttigieg or even Joe Kennedy III would come into the frame for the Democratic nomination
    Bit of a stretch for Joe Kennedy, for 2024 anyway, seeing as how he got his clock cleaned last year challenging Ed Markey for US Senate in Mass.
    He may well run for governor next year in Massachussetts, if he beats the GOP incumbent Charlie Baker or whoever is GOP nominee having won the Dem nomination he will be a contendor for President or VP nominee
    IF Joe K III runs, and IF he wins the Democratic primary, and IF he beats Charlie Baker, then MAYBE he MIGHT be a contender.

    Personally am a fan of Young(ish) Joe, but like I said, it's a streeeeeeeeeach.
    After Trump and Biden, Americans may be ready for some dynastic Presidencies again after the Kennedy and Bush families served their time on the sidelines.

    Kennedy would certainly be a better candidate for the Dems than an over 80 Biden by then or the uncharismatic, hard bitten Harris. As indeed would Buttigieg
    Kennedy's 2020 campaign verus Ed Markey was a train wreck.

    Doubt premise of your 2nd sentence. Might as well look for another Roosevelt or Adams.

    And 3rd sentence is just a red herring when it comes to Joe Kennedy III's availablity or lack thereof.
    He was facing a Dem incumbent in Markey, for the governorship he is the Dems best hope of unseating a GOP incumbent as governor. If he does he will be a contendor in 2024 for President or VP
    As of this summer, Charlie Bakers approval rating as Governor of Mass was over 70% - among Democrats.

    Best shot for Joe Kennedy, would be if Trump wing of GOP somehow defeated Baker for renomination. Which is possible but doubtful.

    But still more possible methinks than Kennedy beating Baker in 2022 general.
    Baker has not yet announced he will run again, if he does the Trumpite Geoff Diehl who worked on Trump's 2020 campaign in the state has already said he will challenge him for the GOP nomination and could well win that nomination.

    So Kennedy certainly has a chance and of course in Massachussetts no Democrat should ever be ruled out in the general election either, even against Baker
    Indeed the latest poll of GOP voters in Massachussetts has Diehl beating Baker for the nomination if he runs again, with 50% to just 29% for Baker

    54% of Republican voters have an unfavourable view of Baker. Trump has already endorsed Diehl, saying of Baker 'Baker is definitely not an American First or Make America Great Again kind of guy. Geoff Diehl, on the other hand, is a true patriot, a believer in low energy costs and our independent energy policy'
    https://twitter.com/skoczela/status/1450790427846717449?s=20

    https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/heres-what-gov-baker-thinks-about-his-potential-opponent-being-endorsed-by-trump/2509808/
    Already responded re: numbers game.

    Will say that the one (and really only) thing that attracts me about your Kennedy crush, is that his record before & during his service in Congress shows that he is NOT a show pony (or just that) but a work horse. He's a serious guy with a serious interest beyond mere ego or sheer dynasticism.
    Yes he is brighter than his great uncles JFK and Ted Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy, his grandfather, were and got good grades at Stanford in engineering and management science and Harvard Law.

    He has been an assistant DA and worked in the peace corps in the Dominican Republic before being elected to Congress. He also does community organising like Obama did and is a member of a Biden commission to increase experience of the Federal Government.

    There would be a certain symmetry if 56 years after Bobby Kennedy was shot campaigning to be President, his grandson was elected to the White House



    The cynic in me thinks "Nicely engineered CV'

    But then, I met a guy who made good money "helping" rich kids build "garage projects" as part of their college applications. So when they rock up at the university interview they can talk about the microlight they scratch built.
    Have got it on good 2nd-hand authority, that young(ish) Kennedy is a few cuts above that.

    Plus worked (indirectly) with him on a small project several years ago, he came through like a trooper.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,412

    A courageous approach.

    Prince Andrew has sought to turn the tables on the woman accusing him of teenage rape by claiming that she was involved in the “wilful recruitment and trafficking of young girls for sexual abuse”.

    In a controversial attempt to prove his innocence, lawyers for the Duke of York have painted Virginia Giuffre as an alleged criminal who worked to procure underage “slutty girls” for Jeffrey Epstein, the paedophile billionaire.

    They also indicate that by making false allegations against the prince and using up court time, Giuffre is allowing real predators to get away with their crimes.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-accuses-virginia-giuffre-of-procuring-slutty-girls-for-sexual-abuse-by-epstein-9zlbk8dwt

    You can almost hear the great man himself saying 'slutty girls' with relish.
    They came with relish?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,009
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    If one looks at maps of the Arctic and sub-Arctic from the North, then the Viking voyages seem much more likely.

    And even that's not necessary. It's really beyond dispute that Nordic people settled North America, and were probably there for some decades.
    But did they reach Mexico? Some evidence that they were.
    Not that I know of! What evidence?
    When we visited Chichen Itza the guide suggested that there were some carvings that show Viking style symbols etc.
  • isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Starmer is clearly a dud - though tonight's voting intention figures suggest Labour could poll 38% in an early GE given the 7% Green vote available to be squeezed.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    If one looks at maps of the Arctic and sub-Arctic from the North, then the Viking voyages seem much more likely.

    And even that's not necessary. It's really beyond dispute that Nordic people settled North America, and were probably there for some decades.
    But did they reach Mexico? Some evidence that they were.
    Not that I know of! What evidence?
    When we visited Chichen Itza the guide suggested that there were some carvings that show Viking style symbols etc.
    Vikings seem to have gone all over the place. Pity they didn't leave logbooks to prove it. I believe they got to northern France too, and their m.o. remains to this day.

  • MaxPB said:

    Great news on the global tax deal getting unanimous consent at the G20.

    I get a sense that the forecasts will be an order of magnitude lower than the tax we actually raise in the end. My gut feeling is that we severely underestimate the amount of money lost in tax to the tax havens and the higher rate will result in companies deciding to spend more to create value for shareholders instead of paying more tax.

    All of those hundreds of billions sitting on corporate balance sheets needs to be unlocked for the good of mankind. Preventing that from happening would have been the better place to start but hopefully this will halt that.

    I'd also like to see tax movement on cash balances at non financial corporations, maybe a 1% per year annual charge on cash balances over $5bn which can be given back if 5-10x as much as the tax is invested.

    You've a lot more faith in politicians ability to enact change than I do.

    I think multibillion or trillion dollar companies will find creative ways around this faster than you can say incentives.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129

    MaxPB said:

    Great news on the global tax deal getting unanimous consent at the G20.

    I get a sense that the forecasts will be an order of magnitude lower than the tax we actually raise in the end. My gut feeling is that we severely underestimate the amount of money lost in tax to the tax havens and the higher rate will result in companies deciding to spend more to create value for shareholders instead of paying more tax.

    All of those hundreds of billions sitting on corporate balance sheets needs to be unlocked for the good of mankind. Preventing that from happening would have been the better place to start but hopefully this will halt that.

    I'd also like to see tax movement on cash balances at non financial corporations, maybe a 1% per year annual charge on cash balances over $5bn which can be given back if 5-10x as much as the tax is invested.

    You've a lot more faith in politicians ability to enact change than I do.

    I think multibillion or trillion dollar companies will find creative ways around this faster than you can say incentives.
    Of course.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Starmer is clearly a dud - though tonight's voting intention figures suggest Labour could poll 38% in an early GE given the 7% Green vote available to be squeezed.
    I think the increase in Green VI is disaffected Corbynites, who hate Sir Keir. I can’t see them rushing back to vote for a form of the Labour Party that they dislike as much as they do Tories. In the past it was easier to allocate them back that way. Maybe it still is, but I think there’s a bigger rift than before between the far left and Centrist Labour
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,393
    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    If one looks at maps of the Arctic and sub-Arctic from the North, then the Viking voyages seem much more likely.

    And even that's not necessary. It's really beyond dispute that Nordic people settled North America, and were probably there for some decades.
    But did they reach Mexico? Some evidence that they were.
    Not that I know of! What evidence?
    When we visited Chichen Itza the guide suggested that there were some carvings that show Viking style symbols etc.
    Vikings seem to have gone all over the place. Pity they didn't leave logbooks to prove it. I believe they got to northern France too, and their m.o. remains to this day.

    No good claiming fishing rights near Jersey then!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    If one looks at maps of the Arctic and sub-Arctic from the North, then the Viking voyages seem much more likely.

    And even that's not necessary. It's really beyond dispute that Nordic people settled North America, and were probably there for some decades.
    But did they reach Mexico? Some evidence that they were.
    Not that I know of! What evidence?
    When we visited Chichen Itza the guide suggested that there were some carvings that show Viking style symbols etc.
    Vikings seem to have gone all over the place. Pity they didn't leave logbooks to prove it. I believe they got to northern France too, and their m.o. remains to this day.

    Of course, Normandy is named after the North Men - Viking raiders and Nordic settlers.
    There we have the explanation of today's kerfuffle about missing records.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    Charles said:

    carnforth said:


    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    But you can do the latter journey on foot.
    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:




    You’re cheating

    You’ve taken the point of Norway that is furthest from Portugal and closer to China. If you measured from Oslo, for example, you’d get a different result

    If you measured Lisbon to Oslo, and Oslo to Beijing you'd also get a wildly different result

    The most sensible way to measure it is using the closest point on each country to the closest point on the other country. So it'd be the south of Norway to the northern tip of Portugal, and the easternmost part of Norway to the north west of China.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    edited October 2021
    snafu
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,604
    Farooq said:

    Brazil is closer to France than it is to Chile.

    France is closer to Australia than it is to Poland.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,794
    This Norway to China or Portugal comparison has got to be up there with the most controversial I've ever seen on PB.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    Errr, won't the time gap shrink between the UK and Brazil tomorrow morning?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    IshmaelZ said:

    Alistair said:

    Oh look, it is one of those free speech at University cases that somehow escapes the notice of hyper ventilating right wingers who somehow otherwise know the intimate details of every random student union shadow sub comittes

    https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1454530118454480901?t=LmAHveioYAxSwRX1BR1WqQ&s=19

    University of Florida preventing it's faculty from being expert witnesses because it would upset their political masters.

    I'm sure there's an actual point of some kind trapped in the body of that post and desperately struggling to get out...
    https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1454435073130958848

    If you bet on US elections you know who this guy is.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Just 23% think Brexit will have a detrimental impact on their personal financial circumstances, with 15% thinking they will improve.
    Thank you Jeremy Corbyn.

    15% trumping 23% uses the same formula that saw Labour win the 2017 GE.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    rcs1000 said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    Errr, won't the time gap shrink between the UK and Brazil tomorrow morning?
    OK, starts, not ends. In my beginning is my end.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    carnforth said:


    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    But you can do the latter journey on foot.
    Norway is closer to China than Portugal:


    You’re cheating

    You’ve taken the point of Norway that is furthest from Portugal and closer to China. If you measured from Oslo, for example, you’d get a different result

    If you measured Lisbon to Oslo, and Oslo to Beijing you'd also get a wildly different result

    The most sensible way to measure it is using the closest point on each country to the closest point on the other country. So it'd be the south of Norway to the northern tip of Portugal, and the easternmost part of Norway to the north west of China.

    Agreed. And I suspect Portugal would win
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Like next week…
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change



  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Alistair said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Alistair said:

    Oh look, it is one of those free speech at University cases that somehow escapes the notice of hyper ventilating right wingers who somehow otherwise know the intimate details of every random student union shadow sub comittes

    https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1454530118454480901?t=LmAHveioYAxSwRX1BR1WqQ&s=19

    University of Florida preventing it's faculty from being expert witnesses because it would upset their political masters.

    I'm sure there's an actual point of some kind trapped in the body of that post and desperately struggling to get out...
    https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1454435073130958848

    If you bet on US elections you know who this guy is.
    I have some sympathy for the university there. DeSantis is a vindictive SoB who has the ability to harm the university
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change
    "In the UK the clocks go forward 1 hour at 1am on the last Sunday in March, and back 1 hour at 2am on the last Sunday in October. "
    An hour gained, so make the most of it!

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change



    I’m rather disappointed this story appears to be the Georgian equivalent of an urban myth

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Give-us-our-eleven-days/
  • isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Just 23% think Brexit will have a detrimental impact on their personal financial circumstances, with 15% thinking they will improve.
    Thank you Jeremy Corbyn.

    15% trumping 23% uses the same formula that saw Labour win the 2017 GE.
    Up to a point but bear in mind these people, all of them, might be wrong. You would not want to plan NHS funding by opinion polls counting how many people thought they might get dementia or cancer. That less than half the sample expressed an opinion either way suggests most thought it a stupid question.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    Charles said:

    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change



    I’m rather disappointed this story appears to be the Georgian equivalent of an urban myth

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Give-us-our-eleven-days/
    Gregorian rather than Georgian, Chuck.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    isam said:

    Tonight’s Opinium has the lowest number of people they have recorded as saying they approve of the job Sir Keir is doing as LotO

    https://www.opinium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Opinium-Political-Report-25th-October-2021.pdf

    Just 23% think Brexit will have a detrimental impact on their personal financial circumstances, with 15% thinking they will improve.
    Thank you Jeremy Corbyn.

    15% trumping 23% uses the same formula that saw Labour win the 2017 GE.
    Up to a point but bear in mind these people, all of them, might be wrong. You would not want to plan NHS funding by opinion polls counting how many people thought they might get dementia or cancer. That less than half the sample expressed an opinion either way suggests most thought it a stupid question.
    That is true.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Alistair said:

    Oh look, it is one of those free speech at University cases that somehow escapes the notice of hyper ventilating right wingers who somehow otherwise know the intimate details of every random student union shadow sub comittes

    https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1454530118454480901?t=LmAHveioYAxSwRX1BR1WqQ&s=19

    University of Florida preventing it's faculty from being expert witnesses because it would upset their political masters.

    The Republican Party are just autocratic shits that would destroy their country's democracy if it helped their political goals. Sadly there seem to be an increasing minority of Tories that take a similar position.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    geoffw said:

    Charles said:

    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change



    I’m rather disappointed this story appears to be the Georgian equivalent of an urban myth

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Give-us-our-eleven-days/
    Gregorian rather than Georgian, Chuck.

    St Gregory never expressed a view on the Calendar Riots of 1750.

    Many Georgians, however, did.

    Geoff.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    geoffw said:

    Charles said:

    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change



    I’m rather disappointed this story appears to be the Georgian equivalent of an urban myth

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Give-us-our-eleven-days/
    Gregorian rather than Georgian, Chuck.

    We changed to the Gregorian calandar but we did so in the Georgian era.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Charles said:

    geoffw said:

    Charles said:

    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change



    I’m rather disappointed this story appears to be the Georgian equivalent of an urban myth

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Give-us-our-eleven-days/
    Gregorian rather than Georgian, Chuck.

    St Gregory never expressed a view on the Calendar Riots of 1750.

    Many Georgians, however, did.

    Geoff.
    What calendar riots?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change
    The second after 01:59:59 will be 01:00:00. So at the second 01:00:00, that's when any time differences will change. By the time 02:00:00 arrives, they'll have been different for (just over) an hour.
    But what you said implies "the second after 00:59:59 will be 00:00:00."
    If you dissent we may need an independent arbitrator.
  • Farooq said:

    Brazil is closer to France than it is to Chile.

    France is closer to Australia than it is to Poland.
    Easter Island is closer to the UK than it is to Chile :lol:
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708

    geoffw said:

    Charles said:

    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change



    I’m rather disappointed this story appears to be the Georgian equivalent of an urban myth

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Give-us-our-eleven-days/
    Gregorian rather than Georgian, Chuck.

    We changed to the Gregorian calandar but we did so in the Georgian era.
    ok ok point made
  • Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change
    The second after 01:59:59 will be 01:00:00. So at the second 01:00:00, that's when any time differences will change. By the time 02:00:00 arrives, they'll have been different for (just over) an hour.
    Depends how quickly you can reset your clocks! For our wall-mounted living room clock, I have to grab a chair, stand on it, remove the clock from the wall, and then reset it!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    IanB2 said:

    Farooq said:

    Brazil is closer to France than it is to Chile.

    France is closer to Australia than it is to Poland.
    Easter Island is closer to the UK than it is to Chile :lol:
    Easter Island moves around, so you never know where it’s going to be from one year to the next
    Underrated post.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    on topic:

    It looks like some Dem supporters in Virginia, has attempted a very ammeter 'false flag' opp, and it has unravelled very quickly, but not before the official Dem campaign had tweeted that is is 'disqualifying' for there opponent.

    I doubt it will change many votes, but still read if intrested:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2021/10/29/pathetic-dems-pose-as-white-nationalists-supporting-glenn-youngkin-n2598259
  • Charles said:

    geoffw said:

    Farooq said:

    geoffw said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    Aslan said:

    Leon said:

    34% of white American students "falsely" claim to be from a racial minority, in their applications for college or uni

    The insane but inevitable outcome of insane racial preferences

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/577722-more-than-a-third-of-white-students-lie-about-their

    I'm curious to know how they establish these claims as false. Genetic testing?

    What's to say it is false? If a man can self identify as a woman, why can't a person of white ancestry identify as African origin?
    We can all identify as of African origin, if we look back far enough.
    This is now disputed, actually
    Really? First I’ve heard. What’s the new theory?
    I am happy to be corrected but my understanding is that the "Out Of Africa" theory is now disputed, but that theory only refers to homo sapien sapiens coming out of Africa as the modern species. Newer evidence suggests there was inter breeding between different subspecies of humans post-Africa. But all those sub species in turn came out of Africa so the argument still stands.
    Not so.

    China. And Asia, more widely


    "Most Chinese palaeontologists — and a few ardent supporters from the West — think that the transitional fossils are evidence that Peking Man was an ancestor of modern Asian people. In this model, known as multiregionalism or continuity with hybridization, hominins descended from H. erectus in Asia interbred with incoming groups from Africa and other parts of Eurasia, and their progeny gave rise to the ancestors of modern east Asians, says Wu."



    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/
    But where did those homo erecti come from?
    Primates evolving in Asia, presumably
    Convergent evolution would explain how they evolved similarly in different continents, and the origin in the same or very similar primate species would explain the ability to interbreed, as proto-Europeans bred with Neanderthals
    It is certainly a bit fishy that so much of the evolution is thought to have occurred in the hot dry places in the Rift Valley where fossils are most likely to be preserved.
    Yes

    And now that "mitochondrial Eve" has been largely abandoned, and humans are thought to have evolved in several different places across Africa, then why not outside Africa.

    In fact, if I had to bet, I would say they likely did. We are finding too many inexplicable and contradictory fossils in Asia

    I have a theory, which is probably bollocks, that the quickest way "out of Africa" to get to S. America is via a boat ride across the Atlantic.
    Think there’s a problem with winds and currents
    The doldrums perhaps?

    Consider: at their closest, Brazil and West Africa are nearer one another than Gibraltar and the Levant.
    By great circle?

    According to Google:
    Natal (Brazil) to Monrovia (Liberia) is 2,969 km (1,845 miles).
    Gibraltar to Tel Aviv is 3,639 km (2,261 miles).
    Yes, Brazil is a whole lot further East than is generally thought.

    I think it's only a three hour time difference between Rio and London during some times of the year.
    Does that end at 0200hrs tomorrow morning?

    No, at 0100h
    Nope. https://www.gov.uk/when-do-the-clocks-change



    I’m rather disappointed this story appears to be the Georgian equivalent of an urban myth

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Give-us-our-eleven-days/
    I’m not so sure: they would have been paid by the day but still have been expected to pay a month’s rent…
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