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Yes, the people who are opposed to the plan and opposed to mass immigration seem very reluctant to describe alternatives apart from "I wouldn't start from here".Wanderer said:
What would you do with them?Indigo said:
Greece is , and that is where the unwilling people are going to have to be prodded onto buses and driven back to Turkey from. Complete madness.Plato_Says said:The TV pix will kill it alone. IIRC Turkey isn't signed up to Refugees Convention rules, but that won't matter much
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If you're in a hurry, it's always handy to be able to overtake the tourists if they obey the rule and stand on the right.Plato_Says said:The simulation that proves standing only escalators work on the Tube https://t.co/DD1B5L2skS https://t.co/ACE66TXxvO
As an undergrad at Imperial, I remember running down the escalator at Holborn when interchanging between the Piccadilly and Central lines.0 -
I've been saying this for months. I've introduced memes...no-one listened. I've pointed out "controlled migration" is a way that pro-migration politicians get anti-migration voters to vote for them...no-one cared. LEAVE has been hijacked by the anti-immigration crowd, and the sovereignists and libertarians who originally drove it are now just passengers.RochdalePioneers said:
Absolutely. Most of the OUT support seems based on migration (at least up here - we have jobs and mortgages and some of us are reasonably off). They seem to think that if we vote out we get rid of all these foreigners. The IN campaign needs to point out that this is a blatant lie...SouthamObserver said:If people do vote Leave on the basis that it will significantly restrict immigration they are going to end up very angry.
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"Bribe" ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Indigo, not only that, how much of the €6bn bribe being flung at Turkey will come from us?
Not you, too.
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Don't look at me guvnor, I know about building and teaching in third world countries, not international relations, we have people in Westminster being paid substantial sums of money to look after country, and people in Brussels being paid even more to look after the EU, and all they seem to be able to come up with is the sorts of moronic suggestion that even the man on the street can see is going to be a complete Charlie Foxtrot.Wanderer said:
What would you do with them?Indigo said:
Greece is , and that is where the unwilling people are going to have to be prodded onto buses and driven back to Turkey from. Complete madness.Plato_Says said:The TV pix will kill it alone. IIRC Turkey isn't signed up to Refugees Convention rules, but that won't matter much
You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one.
You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table.
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The Sunil on Sunday reassures all our readers and fans that:RochdalePioneers said:
Absolutely. Most of the OUT support seems based on migration (at least up here - we have jobs and mortgages and some of us are reasonably off). They seem to think that if we vote out we get rid of all these foreigners. The IN campaign needs to point out that this is a blatant lie...SouthamObserver said:If people do vote Leave on the basis that it will significantly restrict immigration they are going to end up very angry.
We'll be voting LEAVE because we believe in DEMOCRACY!
We'll be voting LEAVE because we believe in FREEDOM!
We'll be voting LEAVE because we believe in NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY!
We'll be voting LEAVE because we believe in THE POUND!
but most importantly of all:
We'll be voting LEAVE because we believe in BRITAIN!
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
"I'm Sunil Prasannan, and I endorse this message."
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A "gratuity", thenJosiasJessop said:
"Bribe" ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Indigo, not only that, how much of the €6bn bribe being flung at Turkey will come from us?
Not you, too. 0 -
I didn't know you supported the sort of actions that will prove to be in blatant violation of the Geneva Convention and the European Convention of Human Rights.foxinsoxuk said:
Yes, the people who are opposed to the plan and opposed to mass immigration seem very reluctant to describe alternatives apart from "I wouldn't start from here".Wanderer said:
What would you do with them?Indigo said:
Greece is , and that is where the unwilling people are going to have to be prodded onto buses and driven back to Turkey from. Complete madness.Plato_Says said:The TV pix will kill it alone. IIRC Turkey isn't signed up to Refugees Convention rules, but that won't matter much
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Nope, doesn't work either.Sunil_Prasannan said:
A "gratuity", thenJosiasJessop said:
"Bribe" ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Indigo, not only that, how much of the €6bn bribe being flung at Turkey will come from us?
Not you, too.0 -
Haven't Spain been doing something similar for some time?Indigo said:
I didn't know you supported the sort of actions that will prove to be in blatant violation of the Geneva Convention and the European Convention of Human Rights.foxinsoxuk said:
Yes, the people who are opposed to the plan and opposed to mass immigration seem very reluctant to describe alternatives apart from "I wouldn't start from here".Wanderer said:
What would you do with them?Indigo said:
Greece is , and that is where the unwilling people are going to have to be prodded onto buses and driven back to Turkey from. Complete madness.Plato_Says said:The TV pix will kill it alone. IIRC Turkey isn't signed up to Refugees Convention rules, but that won't matter much
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He supported Liam Fox for leader in 2005 - nothing very Christian about that!Plato_Says said:Depends on your POV, but I think it helps him
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Something else about Stephen Crabb, new Work & Pensions Secretary: he does God. Interview: https://t.co/TPsgFh7t71 https://t.co/tjRSIojvj10 -
Crabb has the charisma of a wet lettuce leaf! I grew up in Pembrokeshire and compared with his predecessors - eg Desmond Donnelly and Nicholas Edwards - he is not on the radar screen of his own constituents.Casino_Royale said:
I've done a rapid about turn since yesterday evening when I poo-poo'ed him below 50/1 (my oh my, how politics can change) and just backed him at 33/1 with Bet365.Plato_Says said:An interview with Stephen Crabb, the new Work & Pensions Secretary https://t.co/oJpguxVjhb by @isabelhardman
Having read a bit more about him, and watched a couple of youtube videos of his speeches this morning, he has the X-factor.
He needs (a) a shave and (b) to find an answer to the handicap of his strong pro-Remain credentials, and relaxed attitude on immigration
If he do those, and impresses in office now he's SoS, he could go far.0 -
How did he get elected then?justin124 said:
Crabb has the charisma of a wet lettuce leaf! I grew up in Pembrokeshire and compared with his predecessors - eg Desmond Donnelly and Nicholas Edwards - he is not on the radar screen of his own constituents.Casino_Royale said:
I've done a rapid about turn since yesterday evening when I poo-poo'ed him below 50/1 (my oh my, how politics can change) and just backed him at 33/1 with Bet365.Plato_Says said:An interview with Stephen Crabb, the new Work & Pensions Secretary https://t.co/oJpguxVjhb by @isabelhardman
Having read a bit more about him, and watched a couple of youtube videos of his speeches this morning, he has the X-factor.
He needs (a) a shave and (b) to find an answer to the handicap of his strong pro-Remain credentials, and relaxed attitude on immigration
If he do those, and impresses in office now he's SoS, he could go far.0 -
Charles...one of my cars is over 22 years old..I use it every day..0
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I have supported removals of undocumented travellers since the beginning of the migration crisis. If they claim asylum on landing then they should be considered by the Greek system. Otherwise they should be treated like any other traveler who tries to cross a border without proper procedures and expect refusal and deportation. Nothing revolutionary in that at all.Indigo said:
I didn't know you supported the sort of actions that will prove to be in blatant violation of the Geneva Convention and the European Convention of Human Rights.foxinsoxuk said:
Yes, the people who are opposed to the plan and opposed to mass immigration seem very reluctant to describe alternatives apart from "I wouldn't start from here".Wanderer said:
What would you do with them?Indigo said:
Greece is , and that is where the unwilling people are going to have to be prodded onto buses and driven back to Turkey from. Complete madness.Plato_Says said:The TV pix will kill it alone. IIRC Turkey isn't signed up to Refugees Convention rules, but that won't matter much
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Are you seriously suggesting that charisma is required to be elected as an MP? Actually he lost in 2001 and simply benefitted from the national swing in 2005. He very nearly came a cropper as a 'flipper' during the Expenses scandal in 2009 - something which could again be dug up if needed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
How did he get elected then?justin124 said:
Crabb has the charisma of a wet lettuce leaf! I grew up in Pembrokeshire and compared with his predecessors - eg Desmond Donnelly and Nicholas Edwards - he is not on the radar screen of his own constituents.Casino_Royale said:
I've done a rapid about turn since yesterday evening when I poo-poo'ed him below 50/1 (my oh my, how politics can change) and just backed him at 33/1 with Bet365.Plato_Says said:An interview with Stephen Crabb, the new Work & Pensions Secretary https://t.co/oJpguxVjhb by @isabelhardman
Having read a bit more about him, and watched a couple of youtube videos of his speeches this morning, he has the X-factor.
He needs (a) a shave and (b) to find an answer to the handicap of his strong pro-Remain credentials, and relaxed attitude on immigration
If he do those, and impresses in office now he's SoS, he could go far.0 -
Oddly enough refusing entry to people with an invalid visa is entirely uncontroversial in just about any (non-Corbynite) circles. This action however seems to be ruffling rather more feathers, I am not a lawyer but I suspect it comes down to indiscriminate processing of people as group rather than consideration of individual applications or failures to apply.foxinsoxuk said:
I have supported removals of undocumented travellers since the beginning of the migration crisis. If they claim asylum on landing then they should be considered by the Greek system. Otherwise they should be treated like any other traveler who tries to cross a border without proper procedures and expect refusal and deportation. Nothing revolutionary in that at all.Indigo said:
I didn't know you supported the sort of actions that will prove to be in blatant violation of the Geneva Convention and the European Convention of Human Rights.foxinsoxuk said:
Yes, the people who are opposed to the plan and opposed to mass immigration seem very reluctant to describe alternatives apart from "I wouldn't start from here".Wanderer said:
What would you do with them?Indigo said:
Greece is , and that is where the unwilling people are going to have to be prodded onto buses and driven back to Turkey from. Complete madness.Plato_Says said:The TV pix will kill it alone. IIRC Turkey isn't signed up to Refugees Convention rules, but that won't matter much
http://www.ibtimes.com/turkey-refugee-deal-legal-why-european-union-plan-has-drawn-ire-human-rights-groups-2339448
Legality aside the optics are going to be a total political nightmare, although the situation is due in large part to persistent kicking on cans down the road rather than grasping nettles (to mix metaphors) and hence I am not terribly sympathetic to politicians on the receiving end.
Kind of rich coming from the UK as well, where we have make life considerably harder for people legally applying at embassies over the past year or so, and considerably easier for people already illegally in the UK to continue their fight.0 -
Comments upthread about Crabb fighting a marginal seem disingenuous to me, for three reasons:
1) Like most rural Welsh constituencies, Preseli Pembrokeshire has a tiny electorate. The third largest town is the village and ferry terminal of Abergwaun. His majority of 5,000 is about 12 points. That would be considered a pretty safe seat in England.
2) His seat is about to be merged with Ceredigion. There is a fairly solid Tory vote there. However, PC and the Liberal Democrats are also-rans in PP, while in Ceredigion Labour have never recovered from the insane decision to field Alun Davies as their candidate in 2005 (he sent the Labour vote hurtling backwards even faster than the Iraq war did). It's going to be a very safe Tory seat.
3) Because of its size and remote location, it seems likely he would be offered another constituency nearer London anyway if he went to the very top, a la Churchill or Macmillan.
I don't see that as a flaw in his rise to the top. His radical social views may be different, although bluntly I don't think many voters actually care about gay rights one way or another. They give what answer they think will make them seem 'nice people' and promptly forget about it.0 -
It is unlikely that Preseli Pembrokeshire will be merged with Ceredigion -ie Cardigan . It will probably take in much of the South Pembrokeshire seat . It is not a safe seat - the former Pembrokeshire seat was Labour held from 1950 to 1970 when it was lost because of a split in the Labour vote caused by the former MP -Desmond Donnelly- forming his own party and polling almost 12000 votes. It was a major surprise when Labour failed to regain the seat in 1974 - though they eventually did so under new boundaries in 1992 If Labour were 5% ahead nationally I would them to regain this seat. There has also been a whiff of scandal re-Crabb - he was a 'flipper' in the expenses affair.ydoethur said:Comments upthread about Crabb fighting a marginal seem disingenuous to me, for three reasons:
1) Like most rural Welsh constituencies, Preseli Pembrokeshire has a tiny electorate. The third largest town is the village and ferry terminal of Abergwaun. His majority of 5,000 is about 12 points. That would be considered a pretty safe seat in England.
2) His seat is about to be merged with Ceredigion. There is a fairly solid Tory vote there. However, PC and the Liberal Democrats are also-rans in PP, while in Ceredigion Labour have never recovered from the insane decision to field Alun Davies as their candidate in 2005 (he sent the Labour vote hurtling backwards even faster than the Iraq war did). It's going to be a very safe Tory seat.
3) Because of its size and remote location, it seems likely he would be offered another constituency nearer London anyway if he went to the very top, a la Churchill or Macmillan.
I don't see that as a flaw in his rise to the top. His radical social views may be different, although bluntly I don't think many voters actually care about gay rights one way or another. They give what answer they think will make them seem 'nice people' and promptly forget about it.0 -
Abergwaun of course is better known as Fishguard!justin124 said:
It is unlikely that Preseli Pembrokeshire will be merged with Ceredigion -ie Cardigan . It will probably take in much of the South Pembrokeshire seat . It is not a safe seat - the former Pembrokeshire seat was Labour held from 1950 to 1970 when it was lost because of a split in the Labour vote caused by the former MP -Desmond Donnelly- forming his own party and polling almost 12000 votes. It was a major surprise when Labour failed to regain the seat in 1974 - though they eventually did so under new boundaries in 1992 If Labour were 5% ahead nationally I would them to regain this seat. There has also been a whiff of scandal re-Crabb - he was a 'flipper' in the expenses affair.ydoethur said:Comments upthread about Crabb fighting a marginal seem disingenuous to me, for three reasons:
1) Like most rural Welsh constituencies, Preseli Pembrokeshire has a tiny electorate. The third largest town is the village and ferry terminal of Abergwaun. His majority of 5,000 is about 12 points. That would be considered a pretty safe seat in England.
2) His seat is about to be merged with Ceredigion. There is a fairly solid Tory vote there. However, PC and the Liberal Democrats are also-rans in PP, while in Ceredigion Labour have never recovered from the insane decision to field Alun Davies as their candidate in 2005 (he sent the Labour vote hurtling backwards even faster than the Iraq war did). It's going to be a very safe Tory seat.
3) Because of its size and remote location, it seems likely he would be offered another constituency nearer London anyway if he went to the very top, a la Churchill or Macmillan.
I don't see that as a flaw in his rise to the top. His radical social views may be different, although bluntly I don't think many voters actually care about gay rights one way or another. They give what answer they think will make them seem 'nice people' and promptly forget about it.0 -
Pembrokeshire? That's Little England Beyond Wales, right?justin124 said:
Abergwaun of course is better known as Fishguard!justin124 said:
It is unlikely that Preseli Pembrokeshire will be merged with Ceredigion -ie Cardigan . It will probably take in much of the South Pembrokeshire seat . It is not a safe seat - the former Pembrokeshire seat was Labour held from 1950 to 1970 when it was lost because of a split in the Labour vote caused by the former MP -Desmond Donnelly- forming his own party and polling almost 12000 votes. It was a major surprise when Labour failed to regain the seat in 1974 - though they eventually did so under new boundaries in 1992 If Labour were 5% ahead nationally I would them to regain this seat. There has also been a whiff of scandal re-Crabb - he was a 'flipper' in the expenses affair.ydoethur said:Comments upthread about Crabb fighting a marginal seem disingenuous to me, for three reasons:
1) Like most rural Welsh constituencies, Preseli Pembrokeshire has a tiny electorate. The third largest town is the village and ferry terminal of Abergwaun. His majority of 5,000 is about 12 points. That would be considered a pretty safe seat in England.
2) His seat is about to be merged with Ceredigion. There is a fairly solid Tory vote there. However, PC and the Liberal Democrats are also-rans in PP, while in Ceredigion Labour have never recovered from the insane decision to field Alun Davies as their candidate in 2005 (he sent the Labour vote hurtling backwards even faster than the Iraq war did). It's going to be a very safe Tory seat.
3) Because of its size and remote location, it seems likely he would be offered another constituency nearer London anyway if he went to the very top, a la Churchill or Macmillan.
I don't see that as a flaw in his rise to the top. His radical social views may be different, although bluntly I don't think many voters actually care about gay rights one way or another. They give what answer they think will make them seem 'nice people' and promptly forget about it.0 -
Why would Tory Harris want to go to Labour conference anyway.Plato_Says said:Tom Harris
Applied at the last minute for a pass to today's @ScottishLabour conference but was told it was "full up". True story.0
