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This is so blatant - it is blindingly obvious - but blindingly brilliant at the same time.
If Boris really wants to leave the EU he has to lead the Out campaign and debate Cameron. But he's not going to do that - which means his impact will be very limited.
What this is about is Boris getting the majority of Out MPs in the 2019 leadership election - which he HAS to get in order to get into the Final 2. This move seals that for him - there is now no chance of anyone like Fox getting most of those MPs and scraping into the final 2.
With most Out MPs plus a fair number of other MPs who will vote for him on "general appeal to voters" grounds this just about guarantees he makes the Final 2 - and in turn makes him highly likely to win the leadership in 2019 - as he'll be popular with members both for supporting Out and on general charisma grounds.
Boris then becomes PM in 2019 on a more EU sceptic platform but with us still in the EU. And with the UK still in tact (as Scotland won't have another Independence vote).
This is great news for all Con supporters who were dreading someone like Fox somehow coming through as leader and throwing away the 2020 GE. Boris and the Con party as a whole are now perfectly placed for 2020.0 -
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Tories' leading intellectual force (Gove) and its most popular star (Boris) have decided against PM's deal - concludes @faisalislam #skynews0 -
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How can I put this... about twice as many people will have seen Tim Farron's last tweet as saw that picture of Farage, Gorgeous George etc just nowtlg86 said:
I have more twitter followers than Tim Farron and I'm not on Twitter.Indigo said:Boris has more Twitter followers than Dave Cameron, Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn and Tim Farron put together
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Trying to keep his hands clean I guess, since this is going to get seriously vicious, blue on blue.AlastairMeeks said:
That looks like a serious mistake to me if true. He needs to lead from the front. He's made his choice, he should follow it through.SouthamObserver said:What a shock - Boris will not be playing much of a role in the campaign and will not be debating. Whoever would have thought it?
But he needs Leave to win or at least come very close. They really need him front and centre.0 -
The chief spokesmen and women for Leave look like the extended Addams Family. Of course Remain are going to draw attention to the carnival freakshow aspect of their opponents.0
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err you have the actual Adams family on your sideAlastairMeeks said:The chief spokesmen and women for Leave look like the extended Addams Family. Of course Remain are going to draw attention to the carnival freakshow aspect of their opponents.
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'Here are your new colleagues Mr. Johnson'
Wonder how Cameron likes his new colleagues Corbyn, IRA McDonnell,Abbott & co ?0 -
New Thread New Thread
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or Minister for the Civil Service!RobD said:
Don't you have any manners? He should be referred to as "First Lord of the Treasury".LadyBucket said:To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.0 -
But that's not the same thing, is it? In that link, Adams advocates a separate NI-only referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sf-says-north-should-be-able-stay-in-eu-in-a-brexit-1.2182397viewcode said:
Although I am happy to concede that their electorate are REMAIN, in previous threads I have disputed that Gerry Adams or MartinMcGuinness have advocated a REMAIN vote and have asked for a source. Which has not yet been provided.Plato_Says said:No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
I know that from a LEAVE pov this may be too good to check, but I'm not sure it's factually accurate.0 -
Very good!Alanbrooke said:
err you have the actual Adams family on your sideAlastairMeeks said:The chief spokesmen and women for Leave look like the extended Addams Family. Of course Remain are going to draw attention to the carnival freakshow aspect of their opponents.
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He looked what he is - someone who wants to succeed Dave, ideally later this year.Jonathan said:Boris looked shifty today.
His statement was very equivocal - except the bit about not debating anyone involved in doing the deal he apparently so opposed to. If I were an Outer I would not want Boris negotiating Brexit.
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The Adams Family lasted longer than the EU has so far....AlastairMeeks said:The chief spokesmen and women for Leave look like the extended Addams Family. Of course Remain are going to draw attention to the carnival freakshow aspect of their opponents.
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The 'racist,xenophobic' Remain line does not stick with characters like Boris and Zac.
Likewise, Galloway is hardly a Little Englander.
Who do Remain have? Blair, Clegg, Cameron? They look like different cheeks off the same backside to most of the electorate.0 -
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/34764viewcode said:
But that's not the same thing, is it? In that link, Adams advocates a separate NI-only referendum.Richard_Tyndall said:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sf-says-north-should-be-able-stay-in-eu-in-a-brexit-1.2182397viewcode said:
Although I am happy to concede that their electorate are REMAIN, in previous threads I have disputed that Gerry Adams or MartinMcGuinness have advocated a REMAIN vote and have asked for a source. Which has not yet been provided.Plato_Says said:No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
I know that from a LEAVE pov this may be too good to check, but I'm not sure it's factually accurate.0 -
I'll be amazed if that's anything like the scenario in 2020. The global sovereign debt crisis is going to turn the world upside down which renders all presumed state of the world predictions for 2019 and 2020 null and void right now, UK politics included.MikeL said:This is so blatant - it is blindingly obvious - but blindingly brilliant at the same time.
If Boris really wants to leave the EU he has to lead the Out campaign and debate Cameron. But he's not going to do that - which means his impact will be very limited.
What this is about is Boris getting the majority of Out MPs in the 2019 leadership election - which he HAS to get in order to get into the Final 2. This move seals that for him - there is now no chance of anyone like Fox getting most of those MPs and scraping into the final 2.
With most Out MPs plus a fair number of other MPs who will vote for him on "general appeal to voters" grounds this just about guarantees he makes the Final 2 - and in turn makes him highly likely to win the leadership in 2019 - as he'll be popular with members both for supporting Out and on general charisma grounds.
Boris then becomes PM in 2019 on a more EU sceptic platform but with us still in the EU. And with the UK still in tact (as Scotland won't have another Independence vote).
This is great news for all Con supporters who were dreading someone like Fox somehow coming through as leader and throwing away the 2020 GE. Boris and the Con party as a whole are now perfectly placed for 2020.0 -
As per the ongoing discussion with myself and Richard Tyndall, I dispute the factual accuracy of this.Alanbrooke said:
err you have the actual Adams family on your sideAlastairMeeks said:The chief spokesmen and women for Leave look like the extended Addams Family. Of course Remain are going to draw attention to the carnival freakshow aspect of their opponents.
guns and all
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but cameron is joined with Corbyn, McDonnell, Nicola Sturgeon, Gerry Adams, and the Green Party, plus Eddie Izzard, that looks more of a freak show to me!AlastairMeeks said:The chief spokesmen and women for Leave look like the extended Addams Family. Of course Remain are going to draw attention to the carnival freakshow aspect of their opponents.
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I have linked it for you three times now.viewcode said:
As per the ongoing discussion with myself and Richard Tyndall, I dispute the factual accuracy of this.Alanbrooke said:
err you have the actual Adams family on your sideAlastairMeeks said:The chief spokesmen and women for Leave look like the extended Addams Family. Of course Remain are going to draw attention to the carnival freakshow aspect of their opponents.
guns and all
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/34764
Read the actual text, not just the title.0 -
Sunday Times reports that 'City leaders breath collective sigh of relief' over the results of Cameron's negotiations. Countries outside the eurozone have had confirmed their right to regulate their financial institutions.Plato_Says said:Spit
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Tories' leading intellectual force (Gove) and its most popular star (Boris) have decided against PM's deal - concludes @faisalislam #skynews
Chris Cummings of the trade body City UK quoted as saying the EU is confirmed a multiple currency zone and the importance of this cannot be underestimated. 50 FTSE100 leaders to write an official letter shortly.
I suppose Miss Plato you and other Leavers know better than all of that. I salute your indifatigability.
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Oh, I see, thank you.Indigo said:
I have linked it for you three times now.viewcode said:
As per the ongoing discussion with myself and Richard Tyndall, I dispute the factual accuracy of this.Alanbrooke said:
err you have the actual Adams family on your sideAlastairMeeks said:The chief spokesmen and women for Leave look like the extended Addams Family. Of course Remain are going to draw attention to the carnival freakshow aspect of their opponents.
guns and all
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/34764
Read the actual text, not just the title.
Although I need to point out that I am technically correct (they have not explicitly advocated a "REMAIN" vote in this referendum), I assume their stance is a way of doing it by proxy.0 -
You are dredging in a very shitty river. Shame on you.. and if I may say so you are clueless about what 'most' of the electorate think.chestnut said:The 'racist,xenophobic' Remain line does not stick with characters like Boris and Zac.
Likewise, Galloway is hardly a Little Englander.
Who do Remain have? Blair, Clegg, Cameron? They look like different cheeks off the same backside to most of the electorate.
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I would feel very sorry for any public servants working in any department of government with Boris Johnson at its head.His problem is that the only thing Boris Johnson is interested in certainly not Europe,it's Boris Johnson.Take out the name and he is lazy and incompetent who would want to have in charge of a fish and chip shop.He is not a leader but a follower.
Once Eddie Mair and a few others have interviewed him properly,more and more people will see for themselves,he's just not up to it and will end up a liablility for the Leave campaign.
Panic decision by William Hill.After a months intense questioning,Boris Johson will fold.0 -
Would you remind us what the change in the share price since 2000 is for these FTSE100 companies.flightpath01 said:
Sunday Times reports that 'City leaders breath collective sigh of relief' over the results of Cameron's negotiations. Countries outside the eurozone have had confirmed their right to regulate their financial institutions.Plato_Says said:Spit
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Tories' leading intellectual force (Gove) and its most popular star (Boris) have decided against PM's deal - concludes @faisalislam #skynews
Chris Cummings of the trade body City UK quoted as saying the EU is confirmed a multiple currency zone and the importance of this cannot be underestimated. 50 FTSE100 leaders to write an official letter shortly.
I suppose Miss Plato you and other Leavers know better than all of that. I salute your indifatigability.
And what the change in their executive 'earnings' is.
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