He's still saying that he wants us to stay in a reformed EU. Not sure I like that attitude.
He is holding out an olive branch to the EU
They've had their chance. He said the PM must stay on after the referendum whatever happens, but Boris's position logically says that he doesn't think the PM has done a very good job.
Surely there cannot be anyone in the country that thinks Dave got any deal whatsoever. If LEAVE then Dave will be out of No 10 pdq.
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...
Cut it you mean.
I wonder what persuaded Boris to bring forward his planned 10 pm announcement?
I'm glad he's standing though - it will make for a real contest. Cameron was having it far too easy, considering the very thin gruel he brought home yesterday. I hope Remain loses and that he resigns ..... there, I've said it now!
It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
Says more about you than Labour. James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC. Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn. Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.
To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.
Don't you have any manners? He should be referred to as "First Lord of the Treasury".
To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.
No. :-)
Says more about you - even if Jeremy Corbyn was in that position I would expect respect for the position
It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
Says more about you than Labour. James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC. Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn. Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.
How can Labour fail when they elect people like Chris Bryant ?
BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.
To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.
Don't you have any manners? He should be referred to as "First Lord of the Treasury".
Rob, many things come to mind and that was not one of them.
To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.
Don't you have any manners? He should be referred to as "First Lord of the Treasury".
When I was QAing the Census Address Register I checked for Number 10 and the address is actually "The Prime Minister and the First Lord of the Treasury, 10 Downing Street...."
He's still saying that he wants us to stay in a reformed EU. Not sure I like that attitude.
He is holding out an olive branch to the EU
They've had their chance. He said the PM must stay on after the referendum whatever happens, but Boris's position logically says that he doesn't think the PM has done a very good job.
Surely there cannot be anyone in the country that thinks Dave got any deal whatsoever. If LEAVE then Dave will be out of No 10 pdq.
There must be some mg, even on here No more ever closer union repeat that mantra ad nauseum.
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...
Cut it you mean.
I wonder what persuaded Boris to bring forward his planned 10 pm announcement?
I'm glad he's standing though - it will make for a real contest. Cameron was having it far too easy, considering the very thin gruel he brought home yesterday. I hope Remain loses and that he resigns ..... there, I've said it now!
Forget Boris - this is the endorsement Leave were waiting for!
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.
You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament. And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.
We will be fine with our shared central bank
I wish you all the best Mr Malcolm, but I have a feeling the EU has just showed that Ms Sturgeon's notion of an independent state in the European Union will be difficult to achieve (to say the least).
This bollocks is tiresome already. Both sides have got some right tools backing them.
Lib Dems don't do broad churches though... they bitched all the time about the coalition, and most of the Tory half of the cabinet were TINO closet-Lib Dems anyway!
To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.
No. :-)
Says more about you - even if Jeremy Corbyn was in that position I would expect respect for the position
Not at all. I talk about all politicians in the manner they are normally referred to. Dos anyone ever object to Churchill being referred to by his last name? I do the same for Thatcher although I do also sometimes call her Maggie or Mrs T. They are the two greatest leaders this country has had in the last century or more as far as I am concerned.
But they are still elected servants of the people as is the position and should bot be treated with reverence.
He's still saying that he wants us to stay in a reformed EU. Not sure I like that attitude.
He is holding out an olive branch to the EU
They've had their chance. He said the PM must stay on after the referendum whatever happens, but Boris's position logically says that he doesn't think the PM has done a very good job.
Surely there cannot be anyone in the country that thinks Dave got any deal whatsoever. If LEAVE then Dave will be out of No 10 pdq.
There must be some mg, even on here No more ever closer union repeat that mantra ad nauseum.
I am just waiting on Dave using "Pooling and Sharing".
It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
Says more about you than Labour. James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC. Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn. Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.
How can Labour fail when they elect people like Chris Bryant ?
He's over in the Rhondda. I'm rough but not that rough LOL
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.
You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament. And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.
We will be fine with our shared central bank
I wish you all the best Mr Malcolm, but I have a feeling the EU has just showed that Ms Sturgeon's notion of an independent state in the European Union will be difficult to achieve (to say the least).
Independent will do fine, in or out of EU. We will just have a loose union with our pals in rUK.
PS , suppose we could always revert to having the Arc of prosperity revived.
LOL. Dave is supposedly furious and feels that Boris has let down big business. Says it all.
The key word here is supposedly. Dave knows his deal was crap, but he has a job to do. So does Boris, to continue the Cameroon legacy if Leave win, and Dave gets defenestrated.
It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
Says more about you than Labour. James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC. Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn. Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.
I agree hopefully Corbyn will not stand at the GE in 2020, a competitive opposition is required to any government. I we had PR the hard left and hard right could have their own parties.
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.
You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament. And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.
We will be fine with our shared central bank
I wish you all the best Mr Malcolm, but I have a feeling the EU has just showed that Ms Sturgeon's notion of an independent state in the European Union will be difficult to achieve (to say the least).
Independent will do fine, in or out of EU. We will just have a loose union with our pals in rUK.
PS , suppose we could always revert to having the Arc of prosperity revived.
"Quick get the cybernats to arrest him, malcolmg watered down the glorious scottish independence with a loose union."
Well a loose union is a start for acceptance that scottish independence is not achievable with low oil prices.
It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
Says more about you than Labour. James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC. Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn. Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.
How can Labour fail when they elect people like Chris Bryant ?
Delilah was sung with gusto pre match v Scotland last Saturday I might add.
It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
Says more about you than Labour. James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC. Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn. Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.
I agree hopefully Corbyn will not stand at the GE in 2020, a competitive opposition is required to any government. I we had PR the hard left and hard right could have their own parties.
But it would be like Germany, centre-right coalition forever with no real variation, and no excuse for the left as to how they are being kept out of power by the electoral system.
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.
You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament. And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.
We will be fine with our shared central bank
I wish you all the best Mr Malcolm, but I have a feeling the EU has just showed that Ms Sturgeon's notion of an independent state in the European Union will be difficult to achieve (to say the least).
Independent will do fine, in or out of EU. We will just have a loose union with our pals in rUK.
PS , suppose we could always revert to having the Arc of prosperity revived.
"Quick get the cybernats to arrest him, malcolmg watered down the glorious scottish independence with a loose union."
Well a loose union is a start for acceptance that scottish independence is not achievable with low oil prices.
We disagree on that , I see no reason why Scotland could not do reasonably well as an independent country. It would be a huge fillip and change people's thinking and attitudes in a very positive manner. Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
Sorry to name drop, but when I first met Cameron, I said "Good evening Prime Minister" and he replied with 'Please, call me David"
the one time I met dave he was in a state of undress
I asked him for a selfie, and addressed him as Prime Minister.... When I'm Prime Minister, I'll expect him to address me as Prime Minister.... (i think thats a line from William Hague... It might by Michael Howard though).
Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.
To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.
Don't you have any manners? He should be referred to as "First Lord of the Treasury".
When I was QAing the Census Address Register I checked for Number 10 and the address is actually "The Prime Minister and the First Lord of the Treasury, 10 Downing Street...."
Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.
Betting-wise, there's quite a discrepancy in the referendum odds offered by the major bookmakers. Whilst those nice but ungenerous folk at Skybet go 13/8 against LEAVE, Stan James is offering a potentially 38.5% better return by pricing the same bet at 9/4.
No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
Although I am happy to concede that their electorate are REMAIN, in previous threads I have disputed that Gerry Adams or MartinMcGuinness have advocated a REMAIN vote and have asked for a source. Which has not yet been provided.
I know that from a LEAVE pov this may be too good to check, but I'm not sure it's factually accurate.
Very measured statement from Boris. Would love to have seen Cameron's reaction as soon as his worst fears were realised!
Faisal Islam now saying that a majority of Tory MP's will be backing leave ie more than 166 MP's. Right now, if the referendum was taking place next year, I'd be confident of people voting to leave once the global sovereign debt crisis really ignites again within the Eurozone. I think the outcome of this referendum will be predicated on how far into the sovereign debt crisis we are by June. It may be too early, but as I've said before, I think it would be a pyrrhic victory for remain if they do win, because the EU will be torn apart by the dominoes that are waiting to fall after Schengen.
The reaction on forex tonight and tomorrow is going to be fascinating. GBPUSD key level is 1.39 - the price action off the 1.7185 high is decidedly bearish with sterling setting itself up for the road to parity and below. For EURUSD we couldn't retrace to the 1.16 level which has been pretty revealing, with the key support level coming in at 1.03. If these break, and EURUSD falls below parity against USD before the referendum, then that could be a symbolic moment in the campaign as well as sovereign debt spreads cracking wider in the periphery of the eurozone.
It really is set up deliciously for the next 4 months. Bring it on.....let the battle be joined. Vote LEAVE.
Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.
Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.
No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
Although I am happy to concede that their electorate are REMAIN, in previous threads I have disputed that Gerry Adams or MartinMcGuinness have advocated a REMAIN vote and have asked for a source. Which has not yet been provided.
I know that from a LEAVE pov this may be too good to check, but I'm not sure it's factually accurate.
The Sinn Fein president accused the DUP and Ulster Unionists of "utter folly" in supporting the Conservatives, who could break the link with the EU with an 'in/out' referendum in two years.
Mr Adams said David Cameron's party had no mandate "to dictate the political or economic future of this country".
While admitting his party had been critical of the EU structures, he said it had the potential to provide a bridge "towards the greater integration of Ireland, north and south, towards a single economic and political unit".
Speaking to Sinn Féin members in Belfast today Gerry Adams said a British referendum which took the North out of the EU would reinforce Partition and have major negative implications for the island economy, people living in the border counties, farmers and workers.
Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.
Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.
BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.
Not if Boris is not going to be doing much active campaigning.
BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.
Not if Boris is not going to be doing much active campaigning.
But he will. Campaigning and debating are v different things. This is ideal for Leave. They get publicity of Boris but harder workers to be better prepared in actual debates.
Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.
Yeah, I'd like to see Yes lose again
That was below the belt
Sorry malc. Blame my excitement of commenting in an AV-related thread.
Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.
BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.
Not if Boris is not going to be doing much active campaigning.
But he will. Campaigning and debating are v different things. This is ideal for Leave. They get publicity of Boris but harder workers to be better prepared in actual debates.
It not just "Boris" either is it.
The Mayor of London, Chief Executive of the (arguably) financial capital of the world, has just told everyone listening, in so many words, that he thinks the PMs attempts to protect his City are flim-flam.
(Many of us might see him as the General Manager for TFL, but that isn't how most of the voters will see it )
Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.
What a shock - Boris will not be playing much of a role in the campaign and will not be debating. Whoever would have thought it?
That looks like a serious mistake to me if true. He needs to lead from the front. He's made his choice, he should follow it through.
He wants to have his cake and eat it. I did not get the impression he'll be out in the trenches and he has explicitly ruled out debating the very people who got the deal he says is not good enough. It's classic Boris.
Boris signing up for Leave can't be bad news and I won't respond to it as such. I'm glad he's made his mind up and he's on our side. I still don't trust him, but I trust his capability and desire to be PM.
BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.
Not if Boris is not going to be doing much active campaigning.
But he will. Campaigning and debating are v different things. This is ideal for Leave. They get publicity of Boris but harder workers to be better prepared in actual debates.
It not just "Boris" either is it.
The Mayor of London, Chief Executive of the (arguably) financial capital of the world, has just told everyone listening, in so many words, that he thinks the PMs attempts to protect his City are flim-flam.
(Many of us might see him as the General Manager for TFL, but that isn't how most of the voters will see it )
No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
Although I am happy to concede that their electorate are REMAIN, in previous threads I have disputed that Gerry Adams or MartinMcGuinness have advocated a REMAIN vote and have asked for a source. Which has not yet been provided.
I know that from a LEAVE pov this may be too good to check, but I'm not sure it's factually accurate.
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If LEAVE then Dave will be out of No 10 pdq.
Better off Out
Better off Free.
I wonder what persuaded Boris to bring forward his planned 10 pm announcement?
I'm glad he's standing though - it will make for a real contest. Cameron was having it far too easy, considering the very thin gruel he brought home yesterday.
I hope Remain loses and that he resigns ..... there, I've said it now!
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.
And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.
No more ever closer union repeat that mantra ad nauseum.
But they are still elected servants of the people as is the position and should bot be treated with reverence.
PS , suppose we could always revert to having the Arc of prosperity revived.
I we had PR the hard left and hard right could have their own parties.
That is a hugely attractive message from one of the most highly regarded politicians in this country. Remain are right to be worried.
Well a loose union is a start for acceptance that scottish independence is not achievable with low oil prices.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
(i think thats a line from William Hague... It might by Michael Howard though).
Hit the key points on sovereignty and justice - my hot spots. Felt very Gove in another meat suit.
Whilst those nice but ungenerous folk at Skybet go 13/8 against LEAVE, Stan James is offering a potentially 38.5% better return by pricing the same bet at 9/4.
I know that from a LEAVE pov this may be too good to check, but I'm not sure it's factually accurate.
Faisal Islam now saying that a majority of Tory MP's will be backing leave ie more than 166 MP's. Right now, if the referendum was taking place next year, I'd be confident of people voting to leave once the global sovereign debt crisis really ignites again within the Eurozone. I think the outcome of this referendum will be predicated on how far into the sovereign debt crisis we are by June. It may be too early, but as I've said before, I think it would be a pyrrhic victory for remain if they do win, because the EU will be torn apart by the dominoes that are waiting to fall after Schengen.
The reaction on forex tonight and tomorrow is going to be fascinating. GBPUSD key level is 1.39 - the price action off the 1.7185 high is decidedly bearish with sterling setting itself up for the road to parity and below. For EURUSD we couldn't retrace to the 1.16 level which has been pretty revealing, with the key support level coming in at 1.03. If these break, and EURUSD falls below parity against USD before the referendum, then that could be a symbolic moment in the campaign as well as sovereign debt spreads cracking wider in the periphery of the eurozone.
It really is set up deliciously for the next 4 months. Bring it on.....let the battle be joined. Vote LEAVE.
Trying to catch up on the last two days, the most insane weekend of politics outside an election since probably 1990. And I was 13 in 1990!
Just like the LD MPs and a Tory majority.
I watched his body language very carefully and can't see much dissembling on show. He only rubbed his head once.
He's a past master at it, but he'd look pretty convincing to Joe Public.
Edited extra bit: *with Corbyn.
The Mayor of London, Chief Executive of the (arguably) financial capital of the world, has just told everyone listening, in so many words, that he thinks the PMs attempts to protect his City are flim-flam.
(Many of us might see him as the General Manager for TFL, but that isn't how most of the voters will see it
I'd be more inclined to believe the Mayor who backed bankers than Cameron right now.