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I didn't notice that, you are right his hair looks in order.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Surely there cannot be anyone in the country that thinks Dave got any deal whatsoever.tlg86 said:
They've had their chance. He said the PM must stay on after the referendum whatever happens, but Boris's position logically says that he doesn't think the PM has done a very good job.malcolmg said:
He is holding out an olive branch to the EUtlg86 said:He's still saying that he wants us to stay in a reformed EU. Not sure I like that attitude.
If LEAVE then Dave will be out of No 10 pdq.0 -
What a limp speech, full of backhanded not quite complements for his own side. Did not sound like he intended or expected to win.0
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Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The Ego vs. the EU0
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He will be PM of the rUK for sure.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
normal sunday service has been resumed0
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Spurs humped thenScrapheap_as_was said:normal sunday service has been resumed
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Cut it you mean.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:
I wonder what persuaded Boris to bring forward his planned 10 pm announcement?
I'm glad he's standing though - it will make for a real contest. Cameron was having it far too easy, considering the very thin gruel he brought home yesterday.
I hope Remain loses and that he resigns ..... there, I've said it now!0 -
and english cricketersmalcolmg said:
Spurs humped thenScrapheap_as_was said:normal sunday service has been resumed
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Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.Yorkcity said:
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC.Fenster said:
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.Yorkcity said:
Says more about you than Labour.Fenster said:It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn.
Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.0 -
I'm glad there's no England cricket match next Sunday when we're in the Rumbelows cup finalScrapheap_as_was said:normal sunday service has been resumed
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You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament.malcolmg said:
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:
And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.0 -
Is Johnson saying that even if you're a remainer, you would be a fool to accept this deal.0
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Don't you have any manners? He should be referred to as "First Lord of the Treasury".LadyBucket said:To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.0 -
Spurs never ever get beyond bridesmaids. Would be fairytale for Leicester to win league though.Scrapheap_as_was said:
and english cricketersmalcolmg said:
Spurs humped thenScrapheap_as_was said:normal sunday service has been resumed
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Says more about you - even if Jeremy Corbyn was in that position I would expect respect for the positionRichard_Tyndall said:
No. :-)LadyBucket said:To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.0 -
How can Labour fail when they elect people like Chris Bryant ?Fenster said:
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.Yorkcity said:
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC.Fenster said:
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.Yorkcity said:
Says more about you than Labour.Fenster said:It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn.
Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.0 -
I guess OGH is siding with Remain then... where is that damn rolleyes emoji ?!TheScreamingEagles said:/twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/701429350483230720
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This bollocks is tiresome already. Both sides have got some right tools backing them.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
We will be fine with our shared central bankSpeedy said:
You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament.malcolmg said:
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:
And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.0 -
BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.0
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Rob, many things come to mind and that was not one of them.RobD said:
Don't you have any manners? He should be referred to as "First Lord of the Treasury".LadyBucket said:To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.0 -
When I was QAing the Census Address Register I checked for Number 10 and the address is actually "The Prime Minister and the First Lord of the Treasury, 10 Downing Street...."RobD said:
Don't you have any manners? He should be referred to as "First Lord of the Treasury".LadyBucket said:To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.0 -
So much better than Jez Corbyn and Gerry Adams... can we stop this ad-hominem through guilt-by association? It's petty and deeply fallacious.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
There must be some mg, even on heremalcolmg said:
Surely there cannot be anyone in the country that thinks Dave got any deal whatsoever.tlg86 said:
They've had their chance. He said the PM must stay on after the referendum whatever happens, but Boris's position logically says that he doesn't think the PM has done a very good job.malcolmg said:
He is holding out an olive branch to the EUtlg86 said:He's still saying that he wants us to stay in a reformed EU. Not sure I like that attitude.
If LEAVE then Dave will be out of No 10 pdq.
No more ever closer union repeat that mantra ad nauseum.0 -
Forget Boris - this is the endorsement Leave were waiting for!peter_from_putney said:
Cut it you mean.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:
I wonder what persuaded Boris to bring forward his planned 10 pm announcement?
I'm glad he's standing though - it will make for a real contest. Cameron was having it far too easy, considering the very thin gruel he brought home yesterday.
I hope Remain loses and that he resigns ..... there, I've said it now!0 -
Cameron himself has described his new best friends as "terrorist sympathizers".Indigo said:
I guess OGH is siding with Remain then... where is that damn rolleyes emoji ?!TheScreamingEagles said:/twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/701429350483230720
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I wish you all the best Mr Malcolm, but I have a feeling the EU has just showed that Ms Sturgeon's notion of an independent state in the European Union will be difficult to achieve (to say the least).malcolmg said:
We will be fine with our shared central bankSpeedy said:
You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament.malcolmg said:
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:
And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.0 -
Lib Dems don't do broad churches though... they bitched all the time about the coalition, and most of the Tory half of the cabinet were TINO closet-Lib Dems anyway!FrancisUrquhart said:
This bollocks is tiresome already. Both sides have got some right tools backing them.
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Not at all. I talk about all politicians in the manner they are normally referred to. Dos anyone ever object to Churchill being referred to by his last name? I do the same for Thatcher although I do also sometimes call her Maggie or Mrs T. They are the two greatest leaders this country has had in the last century or more as far as I am concerned.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Says more about you - even if Jeremy Corbyn was in that position I would expect respect for the positionRichard_Tyndall said:
No. :-)LadyBucket said:To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.
But they are still elected servants of the people as is the position and should bot be treated with reverence.
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I am just waiting on Dave using "Pooling and Sharing".Yorkcity said:
There must be some mg, even on heremalcolmg said:
Surely there cannot be anyone in the country that thinks Dave got any deal whatsoever.tlg86 said:
They've had their chance. He said the PM must stay on after the referendum whatever happens, but Boris's position logically says that he doesn't think the PM has done a very good job.malcolmg said:
He is holding out an olive branch to the EUtlg86 said:He's still saying that he wants us to stay in a reformed EU. Not sure I like that attitude.
If LEAVE then Dave will be out of No 10 pdq.
No more ever closer union repeat that mantra ad nauseum.0 -
He's over in the Rhondda. I'm rough but not that rough LOLAlanbrooke said:
How can Labour fail when they elect people like Chris Bryant ?Fenster said:
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.Yorkcity said:
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC.Fenster said:
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.Yorkcity said:
Says more about you than Labour.Fenster said:It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn.
Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.0 -
Sorry to name drop, but when I first met Cameron, I said "Good evening Prime Minister" and he replied with 'Please, call me David"0
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LOL. Dave is supposedly furious and feels that Boris has let down big business. Says it all.0
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Independent will do fine, in or out of EU. We will just have a loose union with our pals in rUK.taffys said:
I wish you all the best Mr Malcolm, but I have a feeling the EU has just showed that Ms Sturgeon's notion of an independent state in the European Union will be difficult to achieve (to say the least).malcolmg said:
We will be fine with our shared central bankSpeedy said:
You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament.malcolmg said:
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:
And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.
PS , suppose we could always revert to having the Arc of prosperity revived.0 -
If the Prime Minister wanted Boris onside, he should have secured a better deal.
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the one time I met dave he was in a state of undressTheScreamingEagles said:Sorry to name drop, but when I first met Cameron, I said "Good evening Prime Minister" and he replied with 'Please, call me David"
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So you're a member of the Piers Gaveston society too?Alanbrooke said:
the one time I met dave he was in a state of undressTheScreamingEagles said:Sorry to name drop, but when I first met Cameron, I said "Good evening Prime Minister" and he replied with 'Please, call me David"
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no pork chops involved I hopeAlanbrooke said:
the one time I met dave he was in a state of undressTheScreamingEagles said:Sorry to name drop, but when I first met Cameron, I said "Good evening Prime Minister" and he replied with 'Please, call me David"
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The key word here is supposedly. Dave knows his deal was crap, but he has a job to do. So does Boris, to continue the Cameroon legacy if Leave win, and Dave gets defenestrated.MP_SE said:LOL. Dave is supposedly furious and feels that Boris has let down big business. Says it all.
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I got a sh*tty look from the PM in a swimming pool once0
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I agree hopefully Corbyn will not stand at the GE in 2020, a competitive opposition is required to any government.Fenster said:
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.Yorkcity said:
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC.Fenster said:
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.Yorkcity said:
Says more about you than Labour.Fenster said:It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn.
Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.
I we had PR the hard left and hard right could have their own parties.0 -
Boris wants "to save the British money - and give them back control".
That is a hugely attractive message from one of the most highly regarded politicians in this country. Remain are right to be worried.
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"Quick get the cybernats to arrest him, malcolmg watered down the glorious scottish independence with a loose union."malcolmg said:
Independent will do fine, in or out of EU. We will just have a loose union with our pals in rUK.taffys said:
I wish you all the best Mr Malcolm, but I have a feeling the EU has just showed that Ms Sturgeon's notion of an independent state in the European Union will be difficult to achieve (to say the least).malcolmg said:
We will be fine with our shared central bankSpeedy said:
You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament.malcolmg said:
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:
And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.
PS , suppose we could always revert to having the Arc of prosperity revived.
Well a loose union is a start for acceptance that scottish independence is not achievable with low oil prices.0 -
Watch: Boris Johnson's statement confirming he's backing campaign for Britain to leave EU https://t.co/pxwMk12vat https://t.co/Ft68OybbZW0
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Delilah was sung with gusto pre match v Scotland last Saturday I might add.Alanbrooke said:
How can Labour fail when they elect people like Chris Bryant ?Fenster said:
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.Yorkcity said:
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC.Fenster said:
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.Yorkcity said:
Says more about you than Labour.Fenster said:It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn.
Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.0 -
But it would be like Germany, centre-right coalition forever with no real variation, and no excuse for the left as to how they are being kept out of power by the electoral system.Yorkcity said:
I agree hopefully Corbyn will not stand at the GE in 2020, a competitive opposition is required to any government.Fenster said:
Yep, I'm a big part of the hotbed of conservative values here in the South Wales valleys.Yorkcity said:
James Purnell is the Director of Strategy and Digital at the BBC.Fenster said:
Fair point. Tolerated dissension ended well for Purnell.Yorkcity said:
Says more about you than Labour.Fenster said:It's refreshing to see top ranking politicians showing some principle and giving oxygen to proper debate. Cameron and this Tory government have been far more tolerant of dissenting voices than the previous Labour government.
Could you imagine Gordon Brown's cabinet ministers publicly expressing an alternative argument? Even if one of them had privately desired to nuke Bavaria they would've fallen into line, such was their puny, petrified sycophancy.
James Purnell and Alistair Darling to name two were hardly sychophants to Brown.
Where's he now? Head of Television at BBC3?
Anyway, you at least have a broader spectrum of political philosophies under Corbyn's leadership, all the way from socialism on the hard left to communism on the extreme left.
Enjoy your 24% at the GE, whilst the Tories do what the feck they like.
Hardly my 24% I did not vote for Corbyn.
Why do you give one you would never vote anything but Conservative anyways .
Labour had some real heavyweights during the Blair/Brown years. Denying that ideas weren't emasculated by Brown is just wrong-headed. But not as wrong-headed as this idiocy in voting Corbyn as leader.
I was at a Labour meeting last month.. There was genuine despair at Labour's UK-wide chances. The general feeling was we have to keep working hard locally and hope the parliamentary party eventually talks Corbyn down. It was bleak, to say the least.
I we had PR the hard left and hard right could have their own parties.0 -
It's all the REMAIN campaign have got. Only negative campaigning. And watch how they'll duck and weave to avoid any confrontation.Pauly said:
So much better than Jez Corbyn and Gerry Adams... can we stop this ad-hominem through guilt-by association? It's petty and deeply fallacious.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
No we were reenacting a scene from Deliverance.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're a member of the Piers Gaveston society too?Alanbrooke said:
the one time I met dave he was in a state of undressTheScreamingEagles said:Sorry to name drop, but when I first met Cameron, I said "Good evening Prime Minister" and he replied with 'Please, call me David"
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No malc, Dave goes the whole hogmalcolmg said:
no pork chops involved I hopeAlanbrooke said:
the one time I met dave he was in a state of undressTheScreamingEagles said:Sorry to name drop, but when I first met Cameron, I said "Good evening Prime Minister" and he replied with 'Please, call me David"
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Osborne's a loser (so much like El Gord) I expect REMAIN will keep him locked in the attic until 24th June.0
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We disagree on that , I see no reason why Scotland could not do reasonably well as an independent country. It would be a huge fillip and change people's thinking and attitudes in a very positive manner. Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.Speedy said:
"Quick get the cybernats to arrest him, malcolmg watered down the glorious scottish independence with a loose union."malcolmg said:
Independent will do fine, in or out of EU. We will just have a loose union with our pals in rUK.taffys said:
I wish you all the best Mr Malcolm, but I have a feeling the EU has just showed that Ms Sturgeon's notion of an independent state in the European Union will be difficult to achieve (to say the least).malcolmg said:
We will be fine with our shared central bankSpeedy said:
You know the terms of a scottish bailout by the english parliament.malcolmg said:
He will be PM of the rUK for sure.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I think he hopes if it all goes well all the archive footage will hark back this moment of when pm Boris started the firing pistol.SimonStClare said:
He's brushed his hair - this obviously means he's serious...TheScreamingEagles said:
And the terms are more lenient than the IMF ones.
PS , suppose we could always revert to having the Arc of prosperity revived.
Well a loose union is a start for acceptance that scottish independence is not achievable with low oil prices.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.0 -
No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRATheScreamingEagles said:0
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I asked him for a selfie, and addressed him as Prime Minister.... When I'm Prime Minister, I'll expect him to address me as Prime Minister....Alanbrooke said:
the one time I met dave he was in a state of undressTheScreamingEagles said:Sorry to name drop, but when I first met Cameron, I said "Good evening Prime Minister" and he replied with 'Please, call me David"
(i think thats a line from William Hague... It might by Michael Howard though).0 -
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.malcolmg said:Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.0 -
Were you peeing off the top board ?runnymede said:I got a sh*tty look from the PM in a swimming pool once
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Correct, according to the Royal Mail PAF...tlg86 said:
When I was QAing the Census Address Register I checked for Number 10 and the address is actually "The Prime Minister and the First Lord of the Treasury, 10 Downing Street...."RobD said:
Don't you have any manners? He should be referred to as "First Lord of the Treasury".LadyBucket said:To those members of the media who read this blog - when referring to the PRIME MINISTER, PLEASE STOP CALLING HIM JUST BY HIS SURNAME. IT IS EITHER THE PRIME MINISTER, OR DAVID CAMERON. THIS IS THE "GREAT OFFICE OF STATE" AND SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS SUCH, WHICH INCLUDES THE PERSON WHO HOLDS THE OFFICE.
SHOW SOME BLOODY MANNERS.0 -
I hope you appreciate this AV thread.RobD said:
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.malcolmg said:Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.0 -
Have to say, Boris was pretty convincing even to cynical me.
Hit the key points on sovereignty and justice - my hot spots. Felt very Gove in another meat suit.MarqueeMark said:If the Prime Minister wanted Boris onside, he should have secured a better deal.
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Betting-wise, there's quite a discrepancy in the referendum odds offered by the major bookmakers.
Whilst those nice but ungenerous folk at Skybet go 13/8 against LEAVE, Stan James is offering a potentially 38.5% better return by pricing the same bet at 9/4.0 -
Happily Boris has around 2 million more followersPlato_Says said:No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
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Boris Johnson and Michael Gove = The Dream Team?Plato_Says said:Have to say, Boris was pretty convincing even to cynical me.
Hit the key points on sovereignty and justice - my hot spots. Felt very Gove in another meat suit.MarqueeMark said:If the Prime Minister wanted Boris onside, he should have secured a better deal.
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Although I am happy to concede that their electorate are REMAIN, in previous threads I have disputed that Gerry Adams or MartinMcGuinness have advocated a REMAIN vote and have asked for a source. Which has not yet been provided.Plato_Says said:No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
I know that from a LEAVE pov this may be too good to check, but I'm not sure it's factually accurate.0 -
Very measured statement from Boris. Would love to have seen Cameron's reaction as soon as his worst fears were realised!
Faisal Islam now saying that a majority of Tory MP's will be backing leave ie more than 166 MP's. Right now, if the referendum was taking place next year, I'd be confident of people voting to leave once the global sovereign debt crisis really ignites again within the Eurozone. I think the outcome of this referendum will be predicated on how far into the sovereign debt crisis we are by June. It may be too early, but as I've said before, I think it would be a pyrrhic victory for remain if they do win, because the EU will be torn apart by the dominoes that are waiting to fall after Schengen.
The reaction on forex tonight and tomorrow is going to be fascinating. GBPUSD key level is 1.39 - the price action off the 1.7185 high is decidedly bearish with sterling setting itself up for the road to parity and below. For EURUSD we couldn't retrace to the 1.16 level which has been pretty revealing, with the key support level coming in at 1.03. If these break, and EURUSD falls below parity against USD before the referendum, then that could be a symbolic moment in the campaign as well as sovereign debt spreads cracking wider in the periphery of the eurozone.
It really is set up deliciously for the next 4 months. Bring it on.....let the battle be joined. Vote LEAVE.0 -
It sustains me.TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope you appreciate this AV thread.RobD said:
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.malcolmg said:Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
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Boris has just knocked the wind out of Dave's sails.0
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Woooo!!!Plato_Says said:Watch: Boris Johnson's statement confirming he's backing campaign for Britain to leave EU https://t.co/pxwMk12vat https://t.co/Ft68OybbZW
Trying to catch up on the last two days, the most insane weekend of politics outside an election since probably 1990. And I was 13 in 1990!0 -
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The cheap shots at Leave here will I hope be returned with added Karma.
Just like the LD MPs and a Tory majority.Indigo said:
Happily Boris has around 2 million more followersPlato_Says said:No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
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Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.RobD said:
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.malcolmg said:Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.0 -
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/gerry-adams-warns-against-divisive-eu-referendum-for-northern-ireland-31195064.htmlviewcode said:
Although I am happy to concede that their electorate are REMAIN, in previous threads I have disputed that Gerry Adams or MartinMcGuinness have advocated a REMAIN vote and have asked for a source. Which has not yet been provided.Plato_Says said:No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
I know that from a LEAVE pov this may be too good to check, but I'm not sure it's factually accurate.The Sinn Fein president accused the DUP and Ulster Unionists of "utter folly" in supporting the Conservatives, who could break the link with the EU with an 'in/out' referendum in two years.
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/34764
Mr Adams said David Cameron's party had no mandate "to dictate the political or economic future of this country".
While admitting his party had been critical of the EU structures, he said it had the potential to provide a bridge "towards the greater integration of Ireland, north and south, towards a single economic and political unit".Speaking to Sinn Féin members in Belfast today Gerry Adams said a British referendum which took the North out of the EU would reinforce Partition and have major negative implications for the island economy, people living in the border counties, farmers and workers.
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Ha! That quote could come back to haunt him!!tlg86 said:
Cameron himself has described his new best friends as "terrorist sympathizers".Indigo said:
I guess OGH is siding with Remain then... where is that damn rolleyes emoji ?!TheScreamingEagles said:/twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/701429350483230720
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Yeah, I'd like to see Yes lose againmalcolmg said:
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.RobD said:
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.malcolmg said:Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses. 0 -
What a shock - Boris will not be playing much of a role in the campaign and will not be debating. Whoever would have thought it?0
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That was below the beltRobD said:
Yeah, I'd like to see Yes lose againmalcolmg said:
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.RobD said:
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.malcolmg said:Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.0 -
Not if Boris is not going to be doing much active campaigning.NorfolkTilIDie said:BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.
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It's very good, isn't it.
I watched his body language very carefully and can't see much dissembling on show. He only rubbed his head once.
He's a past master at it, but he'd look pretty convincing to Joe Public.Sandpit said:
Woooo!!!Plato_Says said:Watch: Boris Johnson's statement confirming he's backing campaign for Britain to leave EU https://t.co/pxwMk12vat https://t.co/Ft68OybbZW
Trying to catch up on the last two days, the most insane weekend of politics outside an election since probably 1990. And I was 13 in 1990!0 -
But he will. Campaigning and debating are v different things. This is ideal for Leave. They get publicity of Boris but harder workers to be better prepared in actual debates.SouthamObserver said:
Not if Boris is not going to be doing much active campaigning.NorfolkTilIDie said:BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.
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Mr. Observer, he won't debate Conservatives. Maybe he'll offer to debate* Corbyn
Edited extra bit: *with Corbyn.0 -
Sorry malc. Blame my excitement of commenting in an AV-related thread.malcolmg said:
That was below the beltRobD said:
Yeah, I'd like to see Yes lose againmalcolmg said:
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.RobD said:
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.malcolmg said:Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.
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I'd like Kate Hoey, but she's in the other team right now. We've got Gisela and Leadsome though plus Priti.GIN1138 said:
Boris Johnson and Michael Gove = The Dream Team?Plato_Says said:Have to say, Boris was pretty convincing even to cynical me.
Hit the key points on sovereignty and justice - my hot spots. Felt very Gove in another meat suit.MarqueeMark said:If the Prime Minister wanted Boris onside, he should have secured a better deal.
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That looks like a serious mistake to me if true. He needs to lead from the front. He's made his choice, he should follow it through.SouthamObserver said:What a shock - Boris will not be playing much of a role in the campaign and will not be debating. Whoever would have thought it?
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It's Cameron's deal he's rejected, not EU membership. That's only a debate he can have with other Tories.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Observer, he won't debate Conservatives. Maybe he'll offer to debate* Corbyn
Edited extra bit: *with Corbyn.
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You saw it coming though...malcolmg said:
That was below the beltRobD said:
Yeah, I'd like to see Yes lose againmalcolmg said:
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.RobD said:
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.malcolmg said:Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.0 -
It not just "Boris" either is it.NorfolkTilIDie said:
But he will. Campaigning and debating are v different things. This is ideal for Leave. They get publicity of Boris but harder workers to be better prepared in actual debates.SouthamObserver said:
Not if Boris is not going to be doing much active campaigning.NorfolkTilIDie said:BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.
The Mayor of London, Chief Executive of the (arguably) financial capital of the world, has just told everyone listening, in so many words, that he thinks the PMs attempts to protect his City are flim-flam.
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Osborne and Farage playing boxed sets in the basement of Number 11 for the next four months....GIN1138 said:Osborne's a loser (so much like El Gord) I expect REMAIN will keep him locked in the attic until 24th June.
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I did invite itThreeQuidder said:
You saw it coming though...malcolmg said:
That was below the beltRobD said:
Yeah, I'd like to see Yes lose againmalcolmg said:
Rob, admit it you are desperate for Indyref2 , just scared to admit it.RobD said:
I''m not sure how you can say this with a straight face, Scotland has been the center of attention for years now.malcolmg said:Much much better than what we have now with an unequal union and no incentives to change things in Scotland as Westminster focus purely on London and South East requirements.
PS I want Scottish politicians to have full responsibility for what they inflict on us, all powers and all responsibility with no excuses.0 -
He wants to have his cake and eat it. I did not get the impression he'll be out in the trenches and he has explicitly ruled out debating the very people who got the deal he says is not good enough. It's classic Boris.AlastairMeeks said:
That looks like a serious mistake to me if true. He needs to lead from the front. He's made his choice, he should follow it through.SouthamObserver said:What a shock - Boris will not be playing much of a role in the campaign and will not be debating. Whoever would have thought it?
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Boris looked shifty today.0
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Boris has more Twitter followers than Dave Cameron, Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn and Tim Farron put together
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Boris signing up for Leave can't be bad news and I won't respond to it as such. I'm glad he's made his mind up and he's on our side. I still don't trust him, but I trust his capability and desire to be PM.0
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As Mayor who's always strongly advocated The City, this is a biggy to rebuff Remain fear claims.
I'd be more inclined to believe the Mayor who backed bankers than Cameron right now.Indigo said:
It not just "Boris" either is it.NorfolkTilIDie said:
But he will. Campaigning and debating are v different things. This is ideal for Leave. They get publicity of Boris but harder workers to be better prepared in actual debates.SouthamObserver said:
Not if Boris is not going to be doing much active campaigning.NorfolkTilIDie said:BoJo's language that renegotiation can't be said to be fundamental and that he thinks we should get a better deal for Britain is very difficult framing for Cameron to argue against.
The Mayor of London, Chief Executive of the (arguably) financial capital of the world, has just told everyone listening, in so many words, that he thinks the PMs attempts to protect his City are flim-flam.
(Many of us might see him as the General Manager for TFL, but that isn't how most of the voters will see it )0 -
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sf-says-north-should-be-able-stay-in-eu-in-a-brexit-1.2182397viewcode said:
Although I am happy to concede that their electorate are REMAIN, in previous threads I have disputed that Gerry Adams or MartinMcGuinness have advocated a REMAIN vote and have asked for a source. Which has not yet been provided.Plato_Says said:No they aren't. Unless you're happy with including everyone for Remain with McIRA
I know that from a LEAVE pov this may be too good to check, but I'm not sure it's factually accurate.0
