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Richard_Tyndall said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cameron going STRAIGHT IN on Project Fear with economic and physical security.

Fux sake.

Infuriating.

Are you surprised, he used it during the Indyref and the general election, it works for him

This is the last time it will work for him. He's going. His EU legacy will turn to dust in about three years, and Tories will learn to loathe him.

He has just ensured that his legacy will be to be regarded in the same sordid, dishonest way as Heath. Win or lose he will now go down as one of the worst PMs in history.

On the assumption he wins he will be widely seen as one of the most successful Prime Ministers in modern times

FrancisUrquhart said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

if only

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 2m2 minutes ago
Confirmed Grayling is out

Another Tory that the public have an instant dislike to. Leave need Boris. But he won't will he.

Boris will back Remain tomorrow.

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cameron going STRAIGHT IN on Project Fear with economic and physical security.

Fux sake.

Infuriating.

Are you surprised, he used it during the Indyref and the general election, it works for him

This is the last time it will work for him. He's going. His EU legacy will turn to dust in about three years, and Tories will learn to loathe him.

Nonsense. Michael Gove will ensue Cameron's legacy will be secure.

HYUFD said:

So Cameron confirms 23rd June will be referendum day and warns EU exit would threaten our economic and national security. Now looks like virtually all the Cabinet will be joining him in the Remain campaign, including Sajid Javid with Gove, IDS and Villiers the only likely Leavers. What Boris does remains to be seen

And Grayling

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

So Cameron confirms 23rd June will be referendum day and warns EU exit would threaten our economic and national security. Now looks like virtually all the Cabinet will be joining him in the Remain campaign, including Sajid Javid with Gove, IDS and Villiers the only likely Leavers. What Boris does remains to be seen

And Grayling

easy to miss him off...

SeanT said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky reporting John Whittingdale has committed to remain

I think it is safe to conclude that the Tories are no longer a party for Eurosceptics. Tory MPs position on the EU is very very different to that of the members.

REMAIN will win, but the activists and members will have their revenge. I thought it would be messy after REMAIN won, now I think it will be bloody. Real sense of anger and betrayal.

The real winners will be UKIP in the short term

I like her

Andrea Leadsom declares for LEAVE

http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/my-vote-on-the-eu-referendum/827

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky reporting John Whittingdale has committed to remain

I think it is safe to conclude that the Tories are no longer a party for Eurosceptics. Tory MPs position on the EU is very very different to that of the members.

I have a lot of thinking to do.

Lost causes are always more romantic, but it's usually better to be at the table than impotently harping on from the sidelines.

I'm arguing myself into remain...

Don't. It's not a lost cause, and this deal is meaningless. Nothing fundamental has changed.

It's time for a new european relationship for the UK.

I haven't. I saw some Vote Leave people on my way to Sainsbury's; I will be signing up and campaigning with them from next week.

Anybody who whinges about the EU on here, but doesn't have the guts or will to campaign to leave in some shape or form is contemptible.

So what if victory is uncertain or even unlikely. Let slip the dogs of war!

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cameron going STRAIGHT IN on Project Fear with economic and physical security.

Fux sake.

Infuriating.

Are you surprised, he used it during the Indyref and the general election, it works for him

This is the last time it will work for him. He's going. His EU legacy will turn to dust in about three years, and Tories will learn to loathe him.

He has just ensured that his legacy will be to be regarded in the same sordid, dishonest way as Heath. Win or lose he will now go down as one of the worst PMs in history.

On the assumption he wins he will be widely seen as one of the most successful Prime Ministers in modern times

Er no. The narrative will be that he sold out the country. All the more as the EU continues to fester and fail. He will be the man who chained us to a rock and pushed us off the cliff.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Shocked.

Anna Soubry and Nicky Morgan confirming they are Remainers.

Ditto Justine Greening.

what news from bone, cash, redwood and baron....

Michael Gove seen entering the back door of Vote Leave's office.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I like her

Andrea Leadsom declares for LEAVE

http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/my-vote-on-the-eu-referendum/827

She's perfect she's got a tree growing out of her head. Sign her up!

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky reporting John Whittingdale has committed to remain

I think it is safe to conclude that the Tories are no longer a party for Eurosceptics. Tory MPs position on the EU is very very different to that of the members.

I have a lot of thinking to do.

Lost causes are always more romantic, but it's usually better to be at the table than impotently harping on from the sidelines.

I'm arguing myself into remain...

Don't. It's not a lost cause, and this deal is meaningless. Nothing fundamental has changed.

It's time for a new european relationship for the UK.

I haven't. I saw some Vote Leave people on my way to Sainsbury's; I will be signing up and campaigning with them from next week.

Anybody who whinges about the EU on here, but doesn't have the guts or will to campaign to leave in some shape or form is contemptible.

So what if victory is uncertain or even unlikely. Let slip the dogs of war!

When the official leave campaign is designated, I'll be writing a cheque.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cameron going STRAIGHT IN on Project Fear with economic and physical security.

Fux sake.

Infuriating.

Are you surprised, he used it during the Indyref and the general election, it works for him

This is the last time it will work for him. He's going. His EU legacy will turn to dust in about three years, and Tories will learn to loathe him.

He has just ensured that his legacy will be to be regarded in the same sordid, dishonest way as Heath. Win or lose he will now go down as one of the worst PMs in history.

On the assumption he wins he will be widely seen as one of the most successful Prime Ministers in modern times

No! He won two referendums each of which basically means no change to status quo. Two rods that he made for his own back.
With a very small majority and a coalition government, he didn't do much. And the historical footnote, AV
He will be like Macmillan - better than the alternative at the time but wasteful of power

My impeccable sources tell me that The Sunil on Sunday will declare for LEAVE.

David_Evershed said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

David_Evershed said:

Innocent_Abroad said:

runnymede said:

'Now anything included in rulebook or even "other legislative measures" on finance can be pushed through by Eurozone. And it hits all the smaller non bank outfits that really achieve success for City.'

I agree - this looks like a very serious defeat for the government and the City.

.

I wonder how many people in the UK actually produce wealth? (Given that all labour is, in principle, replaceable by machines & computer programmes, the answer can only be entrepreneurs.) There are 600,000 business start-ups annually, of which 95% are failures.

Where have I misdirected myself?

The 95% of start ups that subsequently stop trading are not necessarily failures. There is a difference between "Cease to Trade" and "Failure".

Reasons to stop trading can be because the purpose for forming the company has come to a natural end; the owner(s) may have made their money and decided to move on; the owner(s) may have decided to retire; and so on.

Are there any published statistics on reasons to stop trading?

The latest small business figures are at http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06152/SN06152.pdf

They show that over time about 10% of business are formed each year and about 10% of businesses cease to trade. However, the government figures don't give the reason for ceasing to trade.

Figures which I have seen of internal analyses by a major bank showed that only a small minority of "cease to trade" were backrupt businesses and a large number just never really took off, so just became dormant and shut down. A significant number were set up for a specific one-off purpose and then closed once achieved. Only a few ever grew to become sizeable companies but many owners did not want more than to be a life style business and averse to growth much beyond a one man band.

Start-ups are mostly not going to succeed long term and grow into significant businesses but this is not the same as saying they are failures.

Thank you very much for taking the trouble, David.

I absolutely take your point about "life style business" and indeed would question the mental and emotional health of anyone who actively wanted to manage managers. I am probably more comfortable than you with the thought that wealth is only created by individuals who are in one way or another disturbed. Did not Gladstone - and other Victorians - enter politics at least in part to make amends for the rapacity with which their family wealth had been amassed?

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky reporting John Whittingdale has committed to remain

I think it is safe to conclude that the Tories are no longer a party for Eurosceptics. Tory MPs position on the EU is very very different to that of the members.

I have a lot of thinking to do.

Lost causes are always more romantic, but it's usually better to be at the table than impotently harping on from the sidelines.

I'm arguing myself into remain...

Don't. It's not a lost cause, and this deal is meaningless. Nothing fundamental has changed.

It's time for a new european relationship for the UK.

I haven't. I saw some Vote Leave people on my way to Sainsbury's; I will be signing up and campaigning with them from next week.

Anybody who whinges about the EU on here, but doesn't have the guts or will to campaign to leave in some shape or form is contemptible.

So what if victory is uncertain or even unlikely. Let slip the dogs of war!

I have spent the last 30 years plus campaigning against the EU. I have worked (unpaid I hasten to add) as a researcher for most of the anti-EU groups from the referendum party, through UKIP and many other smaller groups and individuals. I have shelves filled with papers, articles and legal rulings. I must be one of the few people in the country that has actual hard copies of EU treaties.

I must be mad.

I have spent more than half my life fighting this because I believe in a small state and the rights of individuals and at the moment I feel completely helpless because once again the politicians have proved to be lying scumbags.

EPG said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cameron going STRAIGHT IN on Project Fear with economic and physical security.

Fux sake.

Infuriating.

Are you surprised, he used it during the Indyref and the general election, it works for him

This is the last time it will work for him. He's going. His EU legacy will turn to dust in about three years, and Tories will learn to loathe him.

He has just ensured that his legacy will be to be regarded in the same sordid, dishonest way as Heath. Win or lose he will now go down as one of the worst PMs in history.

On the assumption he wins he will be widely seen as one of the most successful Prime Ministers in modern times

No! He won two referendums each of which basically means no change to status quo. Two rods that he made for his own back.
With a very small majority and a coalition government, he didn't do much. And the historical footnote, AV
He will be like Macmillan - better than the alternative at the time but wasteful of power

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Baldwin

Richard_Tyndall said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

RoyalBlue said:

Casino_Royale said:

MP_SE said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Sky reporting John Whittingdale has committed to remain

I think it is safe to conclude that the Tories are no longer a party for Eurosceptics. Tory MPs position on the EU is very very different to that of the members.

I have a lot of thinking to do.

Lost causes are always more romantic, but it's usually better to be at the table than impotently harping on from the sidelines.

I'm arguing myself into remain...

Don't. It's not a lost cause, and this deal is meaningless. Nothing fundamental has changed.

It's time for a new european relationship for the UK.

I haven't. I saw some Vote Leave people on my way to Sainsbury's; I will be signing up and campaigning with them from next week.

Anybody who whinges about the EU on here, but doesn't have the guts or will to campaign to leave in some shape or form is contemptible.

So what if victory is uncertain or even unlikely. Let slip the dogs of war!

I have spent the last 30 years plus campaigning against the EU. I have worked (unpaid I hasten to add) as a researcher for most of the anti-EU groups from the referendum party, through UKIP and many other smaller groups and individuals. I have shelves filled with papers, articles and legal rulings. I must be one of the few people in the country that has actual hard copies of EU treaties.

I must be mad.

I have spent more than half my life fighting this because I believe in a small state and the rights of individuals and at the moment I feel completely helpless because once again the politicians have proved to be lying scumbags.

My respect and sympathies.

My Mum has just seen the news, and she's just asked me quite angrily,

'You made us change our holiday plans because of the referendum didn't you?"

Uh oh, I'm in trouble.

another_richard said:

MP_SE said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

if only

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 2m2 minutes ago
Confirmed Grayling is out

Another Tory that the public have an instant dislike to. Leave need Boris. But he won't will he.

Boris will back Remain tomorrow.

He will - his delay is just a part of the pantomime.

Ref back to the initial piece and the 1995 comparison. Portillo lost a lot of credit in that election, both with both the right who felt he lacked the conviction of his stated beliefs, and with the mainstream who saw him consider jumping.

Boris' dither has fluffed his chances in exactly the same way. There was always a question mark over his reliability and the extent to which he was a public show shielding a private ambition but this last week has just confirmed everything all those who weren't sure about him feared. Unlike the cabinet, he *could* have come out as Leave before today. Not only did he not do that, he's been jumped in that field by Gove.

Game over for Boris.

Richard_Tyndall said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

Cameron going STRAIGHT IN on Project Fear with economic and physical security.

Fux sake.

Infuriating.

Are you surprised, he used it during the Indyref and the general election, it works for him

This is the last time it will work for him. He's going. His EU legacy will turn to dust in about three years, and Tories will learn to loathe him.

He has just ensured that his legacy will be to be regarded in the same sordid, dishonest way as Heath. Win or lose he will now go down as one of the worst PMs in history.

On the assumption he wins he will be widely seen as one of the most successful Prime Ministers in modern times

Er no. The narrative will be that he sold out the country. All the more as the EU continues to fester and fail. He will be the man who chained us to a rock and pushed us off the cliff.

And that would be unfair. Any number of people will be saying, quite rightly, that the deal is crap. If the public ignore that because the PM said otherwise that is their fault. It's understandable for people to consider the views of those they respect and trust, those in authority, but if we do lose this one, we cannot pretend people were not informed of the consequences and pin it all on the salesman. I'm not a fan of the concept of the buyer needing to beware, but on such crucial issues we should all put more effort in that just going with what leading figures think.

But if things continue to get worse in Europe, as I expect, then yes such a narrative likely will form, but although he would deserve a level of significant blame for how he presented the deal, I can see right now I'll get bloody sick of the self righteous and over the top narratives we'll get.

BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS

A lectern will shortly be placed outside Auchentennach Castle .....

Telegraph now has an online clock on its website. Only 123 days and 11 hours of this to go through now.

TheScreamingEagles said:

My Mum has just seen the news, and she's just asked me quite angrily,

'You made us change our holiday plans because of the referendum didn't you?"

Uh oh, I'm in trouble.

What had you claimed was the reason, does it still hold up as a potential reason? If not, yes, you're in trouble it seems.

JackW said:

BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS **** BREAKING WIND NEWS

A lectern will shortly be placed outside Auchentennach Castle .....

Welcome back old bean.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 3m3 minutes ago
Vote In, then build a campaign across the Continent to create a democratic Europe run for working people. My two cents.

Power to the People and other Cliché – Owen Jones obviously thinks ‘Citizen Smith’ was a political documentary, rather than the piss take it was.

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My Mum has just seen the news, and she's just asked me quite angrily,

'You made us change our holiday plans because of the referendum didn't you?"

Uh oh, I'm in trouble.

What had you claimed was the reason, does it still hold up as a potential reason? If not, yes, you're in trouble it seems.

I blamed work, which is true, if you assume PB is a job of mine.

John Whittingdale seems to have joined leave not remain as reported by Sky

Big_G_NorthWales said:

HYUFD said:

So Cameron confirms 23rd June will be referendum day and warns EU exit would threaten our economic and national security. Now looks like virtually all the Cabinet will be joining him in the Remain campaign, including Sajid Javid with Gove, IDS and Villiers the only likely Leavers. What Boris does remains to be seen

And Grayling

Sky News now showing IDS, Theresa Villiers, John Whittingdale, Priti Patel and Michael Gove all at a Leave meeting surrounded by Leave activists with 'Vote Leave' placards and holding a banner saying 'Let's take back control - vote Leave' they are the Cabinet Ministers for Leave, all the rest will be behind Cameron and back Remain

HurstLlama said:

Over the past few days I have been told that I am a swivel-eyed, extreme right-wing loon, that I am poorly educated, that I am thick, an idiot and a fruitcake. What have I done to deserve such abuse? I have, after many years of sober reflection, decided that the UK would be better off in every sense of the term if it were to leave the EU.

Is this is likely to on for another three or four months? Perhaps some posters might want to consider that someone who has a different opinion from their own might just be a reasonable, intelligent person who happens to disagree with them on a particular matter.

I'm going to be putting down some new PB rules.

During the ref campaign, and afterwards, Everyone has to be nice to everyone else, with polite discourse and no insults (unless they are really funny)

If people don't adhere to the rules, I'll do daily threads on Scottish Independence and AV

Andrea Leadsom "Now that 18 of the 28 member states have a shared currency, it is inevitable that they will move closer to full political and fiscal union. They need to align their banking and taxation systems, and to follow through with the European Public Prosecutor and unified policing that naturally follow the Schengen Agreement on open borders. "

As the EU moves inevitably towards a 'United States' of Europe, the UK will increasingly go from a 'senior partner ' with influence to a country whose views count for little in Brussels and yet whose parliament is increasingly subservient to EU legislation. I wholeheartedly believe in the primacy of our Westminster Parliament and we should not allow the continued erosion of our national sovereignty."

"I am a parent. The question I ask myself is "what do I want for my children's future?" The UK is the world 's fifth biggest economy, the best performing in Western Europe, and there is the expectation that we will soon leapfrog over Germany and Japan to climb the global league tables even further. We are an amazing island nation filled with inventiveness and creativity ..."

John Whittingdale is Leave. He's at VoteLeave HQ

TCPoliticalBetting said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

I like her
Andrea Leadsom declares for LEAVE
http://www.andrealeadsom.com/working-for-you/andrea's-blog/my-vote-on-the-eu-referendum/827

Best news so far today I have read,
Worth reading a letter.
http://www.andrealeadsom.com/downloads/eurefletter.pdf
Lady has cojones. She told Osborne to eff off a few years ago.

Excellent letter.

Boris is a total cock. Never has personal ambition been more poirly hidden. Whatever he decides now will be viewed solely through that prism. He's just another posh boy who thinks he should be PM because he'd be rather good at it. I don't like Gove politically, but he has convictions and he has courage. He's a better man than Boris.

rcs1000 said:

Umberto eco has died. I loved name of the rose

About the only book I ever gave up on was "Foucaults pendulum", I seem to recall there was a Foucault Pendulum at the Smithsonian. RIP

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/vote_leave/status/701025252575309824

Hmmm, lots of right wing Tories, Nigel Farage and George Galloway. A compelling crowd for the soft middle.

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/vote_leave/status/701025252575309824

That's a great picture

cheers me up no end.

And no George Galloway in sight.

SouthamObserver said:

Boris is a total cock. Never has personal ambition been more poirly hidden. Whatever he decides now will be viewed solely through that prism. He's just another posh boy who thinks he should be PM because he'd be rather good at it. I don't like Gove politically, but he has convictions and he has courage. He's a better man than Boris.

Hard to disagree with that.

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

My Mum has just seen the news, and she's just asked me quite angrily,

'You made us change our holiday plans because of the referendum didn't you?"

Uh oh, I'm in trouble.

What had you claimed was the reason, does it still hold up as a potential reason? If not, yes, you're in trouble it seems.

I blamed work, which is true, if you assume PB is a job of mine.

The shit is deep, I'd say.

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Andrea Leadsom "Now that 18 of the 28 member states have a shared currency, it is inevitable that they will move closer to full political and fiscal union. They need to align their banking and taxation systems, and to follow through with the European Public Prosecutor and unified policing that naturally follow the Schengen Agreement on open borders. "

As the EU moves inevitably towards a 'United States' of Europe, the UK will increasingly go from a 'senior partner ' with influence to a country whose views count for little in Brussels and yet whose parliament is increasingly subservient to EU legislation. I wholeheartedly believe in the primacy of our Westminster Parliament and we should not allow the continued erosion of our national sovereignty."

"I am a parent. The question I ask myself is "what do I want for my children's future?" The UK is the world 's fifth biggest economy, the best performing in Western Europe, and there is the expectation that we will soon leapfrog over Germany and Japan to climb the global league tables even further. We are an amazing island nation filled with inventiveness and creativity ..."

She writes an excellent letter. I'll preserve it for future reference, to combat the dreary 'back to the '50s' or 'harking back to the days of Empire' nonsense the Europhiles trot out.

Gove giving a very good speech, and also makes it easier to heal the Tory party.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gove giving a very good speech, and also makes it easier to heal the Tory party.

Link?

Here's Gove statement.

Well worth reading

http://order-order.com/2016/02/20/read-gove-statement-in-full/

Text

http://order-order.com/2016/02/20/read-gove-statement-in-full/

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Gove giving a very good speech, and also makes it easier to heal the Tory party.

Link?

John_M said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Andrea Leadsom "Now that 18 of the 28 member states have a shared currency, it is inevitable that they will move closer to full political and fiscal union. They need to align their banking and taxation systems, and to follow through with the European Public Prosecutor and unified policing that naturally follow the Schengen Agreement on open borders. "

As the EU moves inevitably towards a 'United States' of Europe, the UK will increasingly go from a 'senior partner ' with influence to a country whose views count for little in Brussels and yet whose parliament is increasingly subservient to EU legislation. I wholeheartedly believe in the primacy of our Westminster Parliament and we should not allow the continued erosion of our national sovereignty."

"I am a parent. The question I ask myself is "what do I want for my children's future?" The UK is the world 's fifth biggest economy, the best performing in Western Europe, and there is the expectation that we will soon leapfrog over Germany and Japan to climb the global league tables even further. We are an amazing island nation filled with inventiveness and creativity ..."

She writes an excellent letter. I'll preserve it for future reference, to combat the dreary 'back to the '50s' or 'harking back to the days of Empire' nonsense the Europhiles trot out.

That we will overtake Germany and Japan is complete hogwash. Only quote it if you want to sound ridiculous

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 11m11 minutes ago
Just seen photo tweeted by Vote Leave. Looks like they're campaigning to save the bus pass. They really haven't got a clue.

Casino_Royale said:

That's settled it for me.

I'll be joining Vote Leave.

I'll be ignoring Leave.EU and GO>!

I don't see how this is at all surprising? It is the natural place for a lot of Conservative voters who want to leave. Why feel the need to be angry at GO for catering for people that want to leave but aren't Cameron inclined? Or rather, intensly dislike Camerons Conservatives. It is a broad church and it is unnecessary to try and make it full of similar people

TheScreamingEagles said:

Here's Gove statement.

Well worth reading

http://order-order.com/2016/02/20/read-gove-statement-in-full/

That's superb:

"The ability to choose who governs us, and the freedom to change laws we do not like, were secured for us in the past by radicals and liberals who took power from unaccountable elites and placed it in the hands of the people. As a result of their efforts we developed, and exported to nations like the US, India, Canada and Australia a system of democratic self-government which has brought prosperity and peace to millions.

Our democracy stood the test of time. We showed the world what a free people could achieve if they were allowed to govern themselves."

Gove's key bit for me

My starting point is simple. I believe that the decisions which govern all our lives, the laws we must all obey and the taxes we must all pay should be decided by people we choose and who we can throw out if we want change. If power is to be used wisely, if we are to avoid corruption and complacency in high office, then the public must have the right to change laws and Governments at election time.

But our membership of the European Union prevents us being able to change huge swathes of law and stops us being able to choose who makes critical decisions which affect all our lives. Laws which govern citizens in this country are decided by politicians from other nations who we never elected and can’t throw out. We can take out our anger on elected representatives in Westminster but whoever is in Government in London cannot remove or reduce VAT, cannot support a steel plant through troubled times, cannot build the houses we need where they’re needed and cannot deport all the individuals who shouldn’t be in this country. I believe that needs to change. And I believe that both the lessons of our past and the shape of the future make the case for change compelling.