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Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile
calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Sorry to hear that. Take care.0 -
Sorry to hear that. Take care.foxinsoxuk said:
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
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Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
That is horrible, you have my utmost sympathy.
I had a torn retina last summer which was sorted before it detached completely, but I have days when I can hardly see through the floaters. Sincerely hope it is not as bad as it seems for you.0 -
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Just so you know, it's an old wives tale that it causes blindness0 -
O/T: I have just been watching World War Three on iplayer. No, not the real thing but a drama/documentary about a hypothetical. The thesis is that Russia is interfering in the Baltic states along the lines of Georgia, Crimea and Ukraine. Various real people ( Cristopher Mayer, Lord West, Lord Arbuthnot, etc. play roles as members of the committee which makes the decisions aboiut British response. To cut to the chase - Russia launches its ICBMs and Britain decides to do nothing - because deterrence has failed. Says everything really.0
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Is Cummings a plant?Casino_Royale said:
Dominic Cummings does seem to be a bit of a problem.TheScreamingEagles said:The main campaign group seeking to take Britain out of the EU is in danger of losing the referendum unless “damaging and unnecessary” bickering is stopped, according to a leaked internal email.
In a sign of the bitter infighting in the Vote Leave group, one of its main supporters has accused campaign director Dominic Cummings of undermining the organisation by generating “ill feeling” among workers.
John Mills, the multi-millionaire Labour donor who is the group’s deputy chairman, said that the feuding has prompted the MP Kate Hoey to stand down as co-chair of the Labour Leave group. Hoey, who is now supporting the separate Grassroots Out (GO), has agreed not to say anything publicly about the split.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/04/vote-leave-deputy-chairman-condemns-damaging-bickering-mills-cummings-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw
I can't believe the level of childish infighting and petulance on the crucial vote for the whole nation's future; one they've been waiting for decades.0 -
Just so you know, it's an old wives tale that it causes blindnessrcs1000 said:
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
We were all thinking it
(felt bad writing that, sorry TSE)0 -
The leadership demands and expects absolute loyalty from Tory party members.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron's Brexit comments infuriate Tory activists who now threaten to abandon support for candidates
Furious local Conservatives are threatening to turn their backs on Tory candidates in May's local elections after the Prime Minister told MPs to ignore the views of eurosceptic associations ahead of the EU referendum
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12141419/David-Camerons-Brexit-comments-infuriate-Tory-activists-who-now-threaten-to-abandon-support-for-candidates.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Very sorry to hear that.TheScreamingEagles said:
Factual though.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.0 -
Leave 56%, Remain 44% if you exclude Don't Knows.Scott_P said:@britainelects: EU referendum poll:
Remain: 36% (-2)
Leave: 45% (+3)
(via YouGov / 03 - 04 Feb)0 -
Hell, that's rough. Get the best medical advice you can afford.TheScreamingEagles said:
Factual though.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
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Just so you know, it's an old wives tale that it causes blindnessrcs1000 said:
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Diabetes and MS isn't good for the eyes.0 -
Who do they launch their ICBMs at? If it is at us, surely the sub commanders rely on the PMs letter, not the decision of any committee.slade said:O/T: I have just been watching World War Three on iplayer. No, not the real thing but a drama/documentary about a hypothetical. The thesis is that Russia is interfering in the Baltic states along the lines of Georgia, Crimea and Ukraine. Various real people ( Cristopher Mayer, Lord West, Lord Arbuthnot, etc. play roles as members of the committee which makes the decisions aboiut British response. To cut to the chase - Russia launches its ICBMs and Britain decides to do nothing - because deterrence has failed. Says everything really.
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Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Blimey. You'd have thought a phone call would be more appropriate in the circumstances. (You do, of course, have my sincere sympathies).0 -
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Hopefully everything works out okay for you.0 -
I'm a remainer and didn't take the alleged 'renegotiation' seriously at all, but I'm bitterly disappointed with the way it has been handled.runnymede said:Actually I think TSE is at least half right. Cameron's current con is certainly on a par with Heath's sell-out and Major's betrayal over Maastricht. Most of the worst surrenders over Europe have occurred under 'Conservative' governments.
I had thought the party had learned its lesson, but it seems the leadership and I'm afraid most of the MPs just can't be trusted.
The EU became a toxic issue in British politics because of the sense of conspiracy and deceit towards our own governing class. The referendum ought to have been an opportunity to put the issue to bed by asking the people to make a genuine choice about which future for the country they would like to chose.
Instead Cameron seems to have guaranteed that if the vote is to remain, it will only fuel the bitterness even more and we'll never be fully reconciled to our position within the EU.0 -
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Damn it. Sorry man.0 -
Democracy? In the EU?Speedy said:
Only 3 out of those 5 may be true though and out of those 3 two of them are debatable.foxinsoxuk said:
Access to a single marketnigel4england said:
Give me your top five reasons for wanting to stay in.foxinsoxuk said:
I have many reasons to be wanting to Remain. Leavers do not have a monopoly of patriotism, and I do have the long term future of our country at heart.nigel4england said:
You want to stay in so it's easier for you to fill in a form at work, I think you should look at yourself rather than deride people who have the long term future of the country at heart.foxinsoxuk said:
You cannot discount that there was a majority for Remain even on existing terms.NorfolkTilIDie said:
It's a curious argument. That we got meagre crap from our EU partners, proving its right to stay.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile
On that note, is there anyone outside of the Tory leadership and the Remain campaign what thinks this is a substantial deal?? Even the most ardent Europhiles admit its only small stuff.
All subject to change of course, but the Leavers do have that wide eyed look of Tea Partiests
Social protections of workers
Spreading of democracy and good governance to the other countries of Europe
A genuine feeling of solidarity and kinship with other countries with a common heritage
The ability to live and work in 28 countries without himdrance.0 -
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
I'm very sorry to hear that TSE. You have my full sympathies.
I really hope that's just a worst case being outlined for their own liability reasons and that you in fact make a full recovery.0 -
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Sorry to hear that - wish you all the best.0 -
So, as I was saying earlier, Leave already on the 45% Yes got in indyref before the campaign proper! Remain will still win in my view but by a narrow marginScott_P said:@britainelects: EU referendum poll:
Remain: 36% (-2)
Leave: 45% (+3)
(via YouGov / 03 - 04 Feb)0 -
So I'm blaming my eyes for this shocking/amusing typo in Sunday's thread.
It should have Leave shouldn't aim to channel the spirit of Peter Griffiths in their campaign.
Except it read
It should have Leave shouldn't aim to channel the spirit of Peter Griffin in their campaign.0 -
The Russian government commented on it that it was a reality show for paranoid military leaders who are trying to brainwash the British public in order to justify increasing their budgets. They have a point.slade said:O/T: I have just been watching World War Three on iplayer. No, not the real thing but a drama/documentary about a hypothetical. The thesis is that Russia is interfering in the Baltic states along the lines of Georgia, Crimea and Ukraine. Various real people ( Cristopher Mayer, Lord West, Lord Arbuthnot, etc. play roles as members of the committee which makes the decisions aboiut British response. To cut to the chase - Russia launches its ICBMs and Britain decides to do nothing - because deterrence has failed. Says everything really.
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BoJo is calling for two fecking great road tunnels under London. "Tens of billions £££". So the rest of the country is expected to sub London yet again.0
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Diabetes and MS isn't good for the eyes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just so you know, it's an old wives tale that it causes blindnessrcs1000 said:
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
I'm sorry, I made a flippant joke. I apologise. I really hope it all works out OK for you.0 -
There was escalation. Nato responded to a Russian 'aid' convoy to ethnic Russians in Latvia by sending in a task force to take them out; the Russians responded by launching a tactical nuclear weapon at HMS Ocean in the Baltic, and then the USA retaliate with a tactical attack against a Russian target. You see the picture?RobD said:
Who do they launch their ICBMs at? If it is at us, surely the sub commanders rely on the PMs letter, not the decision of any committee.slade said:O/T: I have just been watching World War Three on iplayer. No, not the real thing but a drama/documentary about a hypothetical. The thesis is that Russia is interfering in the Baltic states along the lines of Georgia, Crimea and Ukraine. Various real people ( Cristopher Mayer, Lord West, Lord Arbuthnot, etc. play roles as members of the committee which makes the decisions aboiut British response. To cut to the chase - Russia launches its ICBMs and Britain decides to do nothing - because deterrence has failed. Says everything really.
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The Tory MP for Bexhill and Battle has been a very naughty boy
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Was it Sean Fear the other day who said Cameron may have been better off just holding a referendum without any negotiations? It may have just drawn attention to the crap deal we have by being a member & our inability to do anything about itAndyJS said:
You called the situation right again.SeanT said:That's a calamitous poll for REMAIN. The "deal" has been roundly rejected.
Cameron now has a real fight on his hands. Heh. No more than he deserves, thinking we'd swallow that bucket of crap.
Just one poll mind you0 -
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Sorry to hear that, hope you can get any treatment you require!0 -
Cameron ought to delay the referendum until the end of 2017 because by then the EU as we know it may not exist and there won't have to be one.isam said:
Was it Sean Fear the other day who said Cameron may have been better off just holding a referendum without any negotiations? It may have just drawn attention to the crap deal we have by being a member & our inability to do anything about itAndyJS said:
You called the situation right again.SeanT said:That's a calamitous poll for REMAIN. The "deal" has been roundly rejected.
Cameron now has a real fight on his hands. Heh. No more than he deserves, thinking we'd swallow that bucket of crap.
Just one poll mind you0 -
Yes, the Tory party genuinely had (and still has) no appetite to tear itself apart over this, but Cameron is almost doing everything he can to ensure it will.williamglenn said:
I'm a remainer and didn't take the alleged 'renegotiation' seriously at all, but I'm bitterly disappointed with the way it has been handled.runnymede said:Actually I think TSE is at least half right. Cameron's current con is certainly on a par with Heath's sell-out and Major's betrayal over Maastricht. Most of the worst surrenders over Europe have occurred under 'Conservative' governments.
I had thought the party had learned its lesson, but it seems the leadership and I'm afraid most of the MPs just can't be trusted.
The EU became a toxic issue in British politics because of the sense of conspiracy and deceit towards our own governing class. The referendum ought to have been an opportunity to put the issue to bed by asking the people to make a genuine choice about which future for the country they would like to chose.
Instead Cameron seems to have guaranteed that if the vote is to remain, it will only fuel the bitterness even more and we'll never be fully reconciled to our position within the EU.0 -
Shocking story on the front page of the Indy. £110 for a one word email, is that all? I know someone who billed two hours worth of time for a one word email.
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What on Earth is Cameron doing? Everyone could tell from a mile off the danger of a Euro split. But hes gone out of way to piss on eurosceptics in his party. Dodgy question, purdah nonsense, exagerrating what he brought back, gagging ministers, insulting associations.Casino_Royale said:
The leadership demands and expects absolute loyalty from Tory party members.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron's Brexit comments infuriate Tory activists who now threaten to abandon support for candidates
Furious local Conservatives are threatening to turn their backs on Tory candidates in May's local elections after the Prime Minister told MPs to ignore the views of eurosceptic associations ahead of the EU referendum
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12141419/David-Camerons-Brexit-comments-infuriate-Tory-activists-who-now-threaten-to-abandon-support-for-candidates.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Time for Cameron to go back and get a much better deal.
If he wants to win.
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It could be this "renegotiation" has drawn attention to the detail......isam said:
Was it Sean Fear the other day who said Cameron may have been better off just holding a referendum without any negotiations? It may have just drawn attention to the crap deal we have by being a member & our inability to do anything about itAndyJS said:
You called the situation right again.SeanT said:That's a calamitous poll for REMAIN. The "deal" has been roundly rejected.
Cameron now has a real fight on his hands. Heh. No more than he deserves, thinking we'd swallow that bucket of crap.
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They are though.TheScreamingEagles said:So I'm blaming my eyes for this shocking/amusing typo in Sunday's thread.
It should have Leave shouldn't aim to channel the spirit of Peter Griffiths in their campaign.
Except it read
It should have Leave shouldn't aim to channel the spirit of Peter Griffin in their campaign.0 -
I'm sorry, I made a flippant joke. I apologise. I really hope it all works out OK for you.rcs1000 said:
Diabetes and MS isn't good for the eyes.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just so you know, it's an old wives tale that it causes blindnessrcs1000 said:
Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Don't apologise, I like humour.0 -
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@JananGanesh: Absolute state of my timeline. If kids aren't allowed strong coffee, politicos shouldn't be allowed opinion polls.0 -
A friend of mine at school used to boast about how his lawyer father would charge £30 for a five minute phone call. I don't know whether things have changed since then.0
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Bollocks.0
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Cam wants out of No. 10 asap, and screwing up the referendum is the best way to achieve it.MarkHopkins said:
Time for Cameron to go back and get a much better deal.
If he wants to win.0 -
Is he a Remainer? If so disgusting behavior and he should be sacked.TheScreamingEagles said:The Tory MP for Bexhill and Battle has been a very naughty boy
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/695376162332119041
Is he a sceptic? If so good on him!
What did I say about tribal politics!0 -
Maurice White has died.0
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Labour signed Lisbon. Big shame only way you can vote to oppose EU is by picking a hard right or hard left group.NorfolkTilIDie said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
To clarify that very good point more correctly
Labour signed Lisbon by having their leader Brown sneak through the back door when he thought no one was looking and the press had finally gone.
Unfortunately there were a handful still there.
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Great news,he deserves it.TheScreamingEagles said:David Cameron's Brexit comments infuriate Tory activists who now threaten to abandon support for candidates
Furious local Conservatives are threatening to turn their backs on Tory candidates in May's local elections after the Prime Minister told MPs to ignore the views of eurosceptic associations ahead of the EU referendum
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12141419/David-Camerons-Brexit-comments-infuriate-Tory-activists-who-now-threaten-to-abandon-support-for-candidates.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter0 -
Darn. Zero buttons.0
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Factual though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Stupid post.Casino_Royale said:
The Tory Party is the true Pro EU party.TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.totalpolitics.com/opinion/456346/david-cameronand39s-eu-gear-change-sets-him-far-apart-from-his-tory-predecessors.thtmlDanny565 said:
You won't like this article much more eitherCasino_Royale said:
Articles calling Dave "the accidental europhile", and saying this vindicates what pro-Europeans have been saying for years, really really aren't going to help him with the internal party politics.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile calling Cameron the most pro-European Tory leader since Heath:
With a resolute flourish the Prime Minister declared that under his new terms he "sure would" have been keen to join the EU if the UK was not currently a member. As if to reiterate the point Cameron promised to make the case with "passion" in the coming months, again with the ritualistic qualification that he still has to negotiate his way through next month’s EU summit.
There is no inevitability about such a level of prime ministerial commitment. In 1975 the then Prime Minister, Harold Wilson, kept the lowest of low profiles during the In/Out referendum he had called. Wilson was virtually nowhere. Cameron will be ubiquitous.
What was so unusual was to hear a Conservative leader make a ringing endorsement for UK’s membership of the EU, or as Cameron will continue to put it, "a reformed EU". In a very different context he will be the first Conservative leader to make this case with "passion" since Edward Heath.
Heath took us in, Thatcher signed the Single European Act, and Dave might be the one that keeps us in for a generation.
I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight.
Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight.
Sorry to hear that old chap. Best of luck with it all.0 -
Oakeshott low cut top but no buttons!0
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Ahem. I've been predicting a LEAVE vote, and I will post a previous quote of mine as proof immediately after this one.AndyJS said:
You called the situation right again.SeanT said:That's a calamitous poll for REMAIN. The "deal" has been roundly rejected.
Cameron now has a real fight on his hands. Heh. No more than he deserves, thinking we'd swallow that bucket of crap.
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Measham South Lab 257 Con 202 UKIP 1410
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More great news.Scott_P said:@britainelects: EU referendum poll:
Remain: 36% (-2)
Leave: 45% (+3)
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THE NEW NORMAL PART 2: BREXIT
In the Noughties, the time of Desperate Housewives and Nokia phones, Eurosceptic arguments revolved around alternatives that were fictional (nonexistent Commonwealth free trade areas), ludicrous (we can trade with Russia and China, countries that are neither close nor lawabiding) or touchingly childlike (Hannan's insistence that we should preferably trade with our friends, which is a proposition nobody over 8 should hold). They could be easily dismissed.
But since 2009/10 (when the size of Greece became apparent) and since 2011 (when immigration began to appear in the list of concerns), the argument has changed. It is easy to dismiss claims that the Euro will collapse (it stays in existence until the most powerful nations decide to leave) but claims that it is well run are difficult to hold with a straight face. Moving from comedy to tragedy, the human wave of immigrants is large and solutions are ramshackle, ad-hoc and ineffective. Blaming the EU for migration is a bit like blaming the dinosaurs for the meteorite, but this does not change the fact that the citizenry is concerned about the number and characteristics of the migrants and will vote Leave accordingly. The print media have latched onto this and are pushing it with all the class and subtlety for which Kelvin McKenzie and Rod Liddle are justly famed: it's not quite "if you want a ****** for a neighbour, vote Labour" but let's be honest, it's not far off.
Unless Remain develop a countermeasure to Leave's charge that EU membership implies mass migration into the UK - and since the charge has an element of truth, this will be difficult - then Leave will win, and win hard.
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No buttons! Void bets...0
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Well country is awash with all those oil revenues from Scotland apparently so why not?SandyRentool said:BoJo is calling for two fecking great road tunnels under London. "Tens of billions £££". So the rest of the country is expected to sub London yet again.
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@britainelects: Labour HOLD Measham South (NW Leicestershire).0
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Happens all the time.AndyJS said:A friend of mine at school used to boast about how his lawyer father would charge £30 for a five minute phone call. I don't know whether things have changed since then.
In practice you have to account for you time in 6 minute blocks, you call someone for a minute, they get billed for the full 6 minute block.
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Dimbleby jumping down Rudd's throat a bit fast there...0
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Longer hair suits... Tidy!SandyRentool said:No buttons! Void bets...
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Rudd spouting shite.0
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Subsidies require money flowing from the rest of the country to London. Since the rest of the country gets money from London, the subsidies flow the other way.SandyRentool said:BoJo is calling for two fecking great road tunnels under London. "Tens of billions £££". So the rest of the country is expected to sub London yet again.
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I see UKIP have got the sub in.0
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I'm rapidly coming to the view that Cameron is in fact a crap politician who has merely been very lucky for several years. Even if I was a die-hard Europhile I'd feel angry at Cameron talking up there worthless renegotiation he has engaged in. He's going to have to pull the biggest rabbit ever from his hat to satisfy waverers now.Pulpstar said:
It could be this "renegotiation" has drawn attention to the detail......isam said:
Was it Sean Fear the other day who said Cameron may have been better off just holding a referendum without any negotiations? It may have just drawn attention to the crap deal we have by being a member & our inability to do anything about itAndyJS said:
You called the situation right again.SeanT said:That's a calamitous poll for REMAIN. The "deal" has been roundly rejected.
Cameron now has a real fight on his hands. Heh. No more than he deserves, thinking we'd swallow that bucket of crap.
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The only way he does that is if he says he will back Leave.MarkHopkins said:
Time for Cameron to go back and get a much better deal.
If he wants to win.
And the other European leaders would just laugh at him - and tell him to fuck off.
I have been saying for months that his negotiation strategy was shite. It only worked if they thought from the start that he would recommend Leave if they didn't give the UK a material package. What he did was just shake-your-head-in wonder awful.
And then Osborne pops up looking like a pillock, saying how this deal will have reshaped Europe. The only thing that has been reshaped is his sphincter, with Europe's fist shoved up it.0 -
Must run in the family.SandyRentool said:Rudd spouting shite.
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Surely if you were a rabid Europhile, you'd be gutted that he hadn't signed the UK up to the Euroglw said:
I'm rapidly coming to the view that Cameron is in fact a crap politician who has merely been very lucky for several years. Even if I was a die-hard Europhile I'd feel angry at Cameron talking up there worthless renegotiation he has engaged in. He's going to have to pull the biggest rabbit ever from his hat to satisfy waverers now.Pulpstar said:
It could be this "renegotiation" has drawn attention to the detail......isam said:
Was it Sean Fear the other day who said Cameron may have been better off just holding a referendum without any negotiations? It may have just drawn attention to the crap deal we have by being a member & our inability to do anything about itAndyJS said:
You called the situation right again.SeanT said:That's a calamitous poll for REMAIN. The "deal" has been roundly rejected.
Cameron now has a real fight on his hands. Heh. No more than he deserves, thinking we'd swallow that bucket of crap.
Just one poll mind you0 -
Damn, I'm genuinely sorry to hear that.TheScreamingEagles said:Factual though. I'm in a mood tonight, so you're all going to feel my acidic tongue tonight. Came home to a letter saying I'm at real risk of losing my sight....Diabetes and MS isn't good for the eyes.
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Dunno about nuttals Barnet0
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@DPJHodges: May 2015: "No one's ever going to trust the opinion polls again".
February 2016: "Look at that Yougov opinion poll!!!!!!!!".0 -
"Put personalities aside" from Nuttall trololol0
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I'm sorry to hear the news about your eyesight.TheScreamingEagles said:
Happens all the time.AndyJS said:A friend of mine at school used to boast about how his lawyer father would charge £30 for a five minute phone call. I don't know whether things have changed since then.
In practice you have to account for you time in 6 minute blocks, you call someone for a minute, they get billed for the full 6 minute block.
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Good grief the old "leave the EU and we'll be at war" nonsense.0
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Russian Union?SandyRentool said:Good grief the old "leave the RU and we'll be at war" nonsense.
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This is the YouGov write up of that poll
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/02/04/eu-referendum-leave-leads-nine/0 -
This whole we can't trade with Europe bollocks is absolubte bullshit. My employer is an exporter and our biggest project right now is based in Turkey, there really is no problem dealing with extra-EU countries.0
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Martyn Day charged £900 an hour in the Trafigura case, and sought a 100% uplift as a success fee. The Court of Appeal told him he was taking the piss.TheScreamingEagles said:Shocking story on the front page of the Indy. £110 for a one word email, is that all? I know someone who billed two hours worth of time for a one word email.
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He can go for the autumn, citing the Electoral Commission's advice. That's not really delay so much as the absence of rushing. I don't see how he can let it go until next year though. It would become a joke in itself.SeanT said:
Good point. Can he possibly call a vote when some polls have him 10 points down? Suicidally risky.AndyJS said:
Cameron ought to delay the referendum until the end of 2017 because by then the EU as we know it may not exist and there won't have to be one.isam said:
Was it Sean Fear the other day who said Cameron may have been better off just holding a referendum without any negotiations? It may have just drawn attention to the crap deal we have by being a member & our inability to do anything about itAndyJS said:
You called the situation right again.SeanT said:That's a calamitous poll for REMAIN. The "deal" has been roundly rejected.
Cameron now has a real fight on his hands. Heh. No more than he deserves, thinking we'd swallow that bucket of crap.
Just one poll mind you
He has the option of time. He will surely delay unless he gets much better polling, and soon.0 -
Many more polls have him ten points up.SeanT said:
Good point. Can he possibly call a vote when some polls have him 10 points down? Suicidally risky.AndyJS said:
Cameron ought to delay the referendum until the end of 2017 because by then the EU as we know it may not exist and there won't have to be one.isam said:
Was it Sean Fear the other day who said Cameron may have been better off just holding a referendum without any negotiations? It may have just drawn attention to the crap deal we have by being a member & our inability to do anything about itAndyJS said:
You called the situation right again.SeanT said:That's a calamitous poll for REMAIN. The "deal" has been roundly rejected.
Cameron now has a real fight on his hands. Heh. No more than he deserves, thinking we'd swallow that bucket of crap.
Just one poll mind you
He has the option of time. He will surely delay unless he gets much better polling, and soon.0 -
World at War on "Yesterday" (Freeview 19) right now - Battle of Stalingrad0
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If we leave the EU, the lawyers will be richer than Trump's ego masseur.Sean_F said:
Martyn Day charged £900 an hour in the Trafigura case, and sought a 100% uplift as a success fee. The Court of Appeal told him he was taking the piss.TheScreamingEagles said:Shocking story on the front page of the Indy. £110 for a one word email, is that all? I know someone who billed two hours worth of time for a one word email.
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Oakeshott perhaps should lead leave. Bit easier on the eye than ol' Nige.0
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I've heard an unconfirmed rumour that the Labour MP for Sheffield Brightside has died0
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Single Market - OKfoxinsoxuk said:
Access to a single marketnigel4england said:
Give me your top five reasons for wanting to stay in.foxinsoxuk said:
I have many reasons to be wanting to Remain. Leavers do not have a monopoly of patriotism, and I do have the long term future of our country at heart.nigel4england said:
You want to stay in so it's easier for you to fill in a form at work, I think you should look at yourself rather than deride people who have the long term future of the country at heart.foxinsoxuk said:
You cannot discount that there was a majority for Remain even on existing terms.NorfolkTilIDie said:
It's a curious argument. That we got meagre crap from our EU partners, proving its right to stay.Sean_F said:
They'd applaud him if he said he was taking the UK into the Euro.Danny565 said:The Economist applauds Cameron for making a "muscular pro-European argument":
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690029-david-camerons-weedy-renegotiation-makes-muscular-pro-european-argument-accidental?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/TheaccidentalEurophile
On that note, is there anyone outside of the Tory leadership and the Remain campaign what thinks this is a substantial deal?? Even the most ardent Europhiles admit its only small stuff.
All subject to change of course, but the Leavers do have that wide eyed look of Tea Partiests
Social protections of workers
Spreading of democracy and good governance to the other countries of Europe
A genuine feeling of solidarity and kinship with other countries with a common heritage
The ability to live and work in 28 countries without himdrance.
Social protection for workers - why can't we do that ourselves?
Spreading of democracy and good governance - how long has Greece been in the EU?
A feeling of solidarity and kinship - we are strong partners in NATO, willing to fight for them.
Ability to live and work in 28 countries - mostly it seems most of 27 want to come here.
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Well, the UKIP Calypso says "We can trade with the world again / When Nigel is at Number 10" so presumably it's impossible right now.Pulpstar said:This whole we can't trade with Europe bollocks is absolubte bullshit. My employer is an exporter and our biggest project right now is based in Turkey, there really is no problem dealing with extra-EU countries.
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Sounds like a proportional response.slade said:
There was escalation. Nato responded to a Russian 'aid' convoy to ethnic Russians in Latvia by sending in a task force to take them out; the Russians responded by launching a tactical nuclear weapon at HMS Ocean in the Baltic, and then the USA retaliate with a tactical attack against a Russian target. You see the picture?RobD said:
Who do they launch their ICBMs at? If it is at us, surely the sub commanders rely on the PMs letter, not the decision of any committee.slade said:O/T: I have just been watching World War Three on iplayer. No, not the real thing but a drama/documentary about a hypothetical. The thesis is that Russia is interfering in the Baltic states along the lines of Georgia, Crimea and Ukraine. Various real people ( Cristopher Mayer, Lord West, Lord Arbuthnot, etc. play roles as members of the committee which makes the decisions aboiut British response. To cut to the chase - Russia launches its ICBMs and Britain decides to do nothing - because deterrence has failed. Says everything really.
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On plus side for DC, that poll should make further negotiation easier!!0
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Elections expert David Boothroyd on VoteUK forum has posted the same thing.TheScreamingEagles said:I've heard an unconfirmed rumour that the Labour MP for Sheffield Brightside has died
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Confirmed: https://m.facebook.com/Harry4brighthills/posts/1699163240299772TheScreamingEagles said:I've heard an unconfirmed rumour that the Labour MP for Sheffield Brightside has died
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Was diagnosed with cancer last September.TheScreamingEagles said:I've heard an unconfirmed rumour that the Labour MP for Sheffield Brightside has died
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@SamCoatesTimes: Harry Harpham, 2015 intake Labour MP, has died https://t.co/Ga7bLInSoX0
