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Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage (and it definitely does), so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
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Well a few days ago I told Mr Meeks the outline and the historical comparison I was thinking of using for the Nats. He told me to do it.Alanbrooke said:
Are you really going to upset our Nats that much ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was quite pleased with my Khan thread the other day.Alanbrooke said:
Any way Eagles, watching House of Cards as you havent posted a decent thread so far this year.TheScreamingEagles said:CHRIS Grayling has become the first serving Cabinet minister to publicly signal he will vote to leave the EU.
Making his intentions for the In/Out referendum clear, the Leader of the House of Commons reveals he holds “strong Eurosceptic views”, and they are now well known to No10.
The 53-year-old senior Tory has also issued a withering critique of Europe today as failing, in an article for the Daily Telegraph.
The move was approved by David Cameron in his first display of tolerance for opposing views on EU membership from his top team.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6859468/Chris-Grayling-is-the-first-Tory-Cabinet-minister-to-announce-support-for-EU-exit.html
But I shall try and come up with a thread that pleases you for Sunday.
I compare the Nats to secessionist states of the Confederacy.0 -
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,0 -
Good for Grayling but are we on the eve of a mighty recession?
Dow NY closes down 364 points tonight and approaches 15,000, having dropped nearly 1,500 points since January 4th 20160 -
With being a Liverpool fan being increasingly stressful, I figure I can adopt Leicester as a second team - I was educated there, so I figure that's ok as far as strict football loyalty goes (which is generally restricted to a, where you grew up, or b, who you picked as a child)rcs1000 said:Full credit to Leicester City: a victory at White Hart Lane suggests that foxinsox's confidence is perhaps warranted.
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Ah yes, Birth of A NationTheScreamingEagles said:
Well a few days ago I told Mr Meeks the outline and the historical comparison I was thinking of using for the Nats. He told me to do it.Alanbrooke said:
Are you really going to upset our Nats that much ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was quite pleased with my Khan thread the other day.Alanbrooke said:
Any way Eagles, watching House of Cards as you havent posted a decent thread so far this year.TheScreamingEagles said:CHRIS Grayling has become the first serving Cabinet minister to publicly signal he will vote to leave the EU.
Making his intentions for the In/Out referendum clear, the Leader of the House of Commons reveals he holds “strong Eurosceptic views”, and they are now well known to No10.
The 53-year-old senior Tory has also issued a withering critique of Europe today as failing, in an article for the Daily Telegraph.
The move was approved by David Cameron in his first display of tolerance for opposing views on EU membership from his top team.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6859468/Chris-Grayling-is-the-first-Tory-Cabinet-minister-to-announce-support-for-EU-exit.html
But I shall try and come up with a thread that pleases you for Sunday.
I compare the Nats to secessionist states of the Confederacy.0 -
Surely the big story on the Telegraph front page is not the one about Chris Grayling, but the one below that?0
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The employment data out of the US was excellent today.MikeK said:Good for Grayling but are we on the eve of a mighty recession?
Dow NY closes down 364 points tonight and approaches 15,000, having dropped nearly 1,500 points since January 4th 2016
That being said, the PMI data last week was terrible.
So who knows?0 -
Thanks for sharing your experiences with the groupAlanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,0 -
Cheers, I'll use that for the headline.Alanbrooke said:
Ah yes, Birth of A NationTheScreamingEagles said:
Well a few days ago I told Mr Meeks the outline and the historical comparison I was thinking of using for the Nats. He told me to do it.Alanbrooke said:
Are you really going to upset our Nats that much ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was quite pleased with my Khan thread the other day.Alanbrooke said:
Any way Eagles, watching House of Cards as you havent posted a decent thread so far this year.TheScreamingEagles said:CHRIS Grayling has become the first serving Cabinet minister to publicly signal he will vote to leave the EU.
Making his intentions for the In/Out referendum clear, the Leader of the House of Commons reveals he holds “strong Eurosceptic views”, and they are now well known to No10.
The 53-year-old senior Tory has also issued a withering critique of Europe today as failing, in an article for the Daily Telegraph.
The move was approved by David Cameron in his first display of tolerance for opposing views on EU membership from his top team.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6859468/Chris-Grayling-is-the-first-Tory-Cabinet-minister-to-announce-support-for-EU-exit.html
But I shall try and come up with a thread that pleases you for Sunday.
I compare the Nats to secessionist states of the Confederacy.0 -
No probs. I have lots of elderly relatives.Blofelds_Cat said:
Thanks for sharing your experiences with the groupAlanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,0 -
I have been on hypertension medication for 7 years and while it took a while to get the right balance my blood pressure has maintained a safe level and I do not have side effects. My best friend of 50 years refused the medication and within a couple of years had a serious stroke that resulted in him needing a wheelchair and subsequently he died. It is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.0 -
The Dow closed at 16,151.41, down 2.2%. Not great, but not Armageddon.MikeK said:Good for Grayling but are we on the eve of a mighty recession?
Dow NY closes down 364 points tonight and approaches 15,000, having dropped nearly 1,500 points since January 4th 20160 -
Tell divvie he;s a CameronTheScreamingEagles said:
Cheers, I'll use that for the headline.Alanbrooke said:
Ah yes, Birth of A NationTheScreamingEagles said:
Well a few days ago I told Mr Meeks the outline and the historical comparison I was thinking of using for the Nats. He told me to do it.Alanbrooke said:
Are you really going to upset our Nats that much ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I was quite pleased with my Khan thread the other day.Alanbrooke said:
Any way Eagles, watching House of Cards as you havent posted a decent thread so far this year.TheScreamingEagles said:CHRIS Grayling has become the first serving Cabinet minister to publicly signal he will vote to leave the EU.
Making his intentions for the In/Out referendum clear, the Leader of the House of Commons reveals he holds “strong Eurosceptic views”, and they are now well known to No10.
The 53-year-old senior Tory has also issued a withering critique of Europe today as failing, in an article for the Daily Telegraph.
The move was approved by David Cameron in his first display of tolerance for opposing views on EU membership from his top team.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/6859468/Chris-Grayling-is-the-first-Tory-Cabinet-minister-to-announce-support-for-EU-exit.html
But I shall try and come up with a thread that pleases you for Sunday.
I compare the Nats to secessionist states of the Confederacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_a_Nation0 -
My gods, some on the left now not happy with QT panel selection? I don't know if I can stand this topsy turvy world, the continual complaint of right wingers about the panel makeup soothes me to sleep many a night.Scott_P said:@MilkyJoe1975: Excuse me @bbcquestiontime how in any way can this be described as a balanced panel? https://t.co/j4lfcfLKCC
@Maomentum_: I urge all sides of the party to now unite and fight the real enemy: Question Time0 -
Alanbrooke said:
No probs. I have lots of elderly relatives.Blofelds_Cat said:
Thanks for sharing your experiences with the groupAlanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
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Please can it be Grayling. An incompetent in charge will ensure that LEAVE are smashed. Still not going to stop the Tories starting "banging on" again by the Friday afternoon.0
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All meds have side effects. ACE inhibitors are particularly good if renal damage or diabetes. They seem to have protective effects against complications over and above the effect on BP. ARB inhibitors do have concerns about increased cardiac risk.Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage (and it definitely does), so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
But its horses for courses and varies with other aspects of risk factor management (weight loss, low salt diet, more exercise, stop smoking, less alcohol - the usual suspects!).0 -
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypertension medication for 7 years and while it took a while to get the right balance my blood pressure has maintained a safe level and I do not have side effects. My best friend of 50 years refused the medication and within a couple of years had a serious stroke that resulted in him needing a wheelchair and subsequently he died. It is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe0 -
I take so many meds these days, I rattleAlanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypertension medication for 7 years and while it took a while to get the right balance my blood pressure has maintained a safe level and I do not have side effects. My best friend of 50 years refused the medication and within a couple of years had a serious stroke that resulted in him needing a wheelchair and subsequently he died. It is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe0 -
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Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...0 -
You have nothing a Barry White LP can;t cure.TheScreamingEagles said:
I take so many meds these days, I rattleAlanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypertension medication for 7 years and while it took a while to get the right balance my blood pressure has maintained a safe level and I do not have side effects. My best friend of 50 years refused the medication and within a couple of years had a serious stroke that resulted in him needing a wheelchair and subsequently he died. It is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe0 -
I'm talking of the drop since Jan 4th, where it has dropped nearly 10%Richard_Nabavi said:
The Dow closed at 16,151.41, down 2.2%. Not great, but not Armageddon.MikeK said:Good for Grayling but are we on the eve of a mighty recession?
Dow NY closes down 364 points tonight and approaches 15,000, having dropped nearly 1,500 points since January 4th 20160 -
Drink lots and try anal fistingRodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...0 -
The Times have an article which says petrol may soon be cheaper than water
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYoiY43WwAAfKEk.jpg0 -
Yougov GOP National
Trump: 36%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 6%
Bush: 5%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf0 -
You do need to maintain a sensible lifestye but I have it checked every six months and I have not needed to increase the dose for years. The experience of my best friend's lost years of his life seemed so pointless and caused premature heartache to his family as his stroke was directly attributed to high blood pressure, indeed one of the highest seen at the A & E he was rushed to.Alanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypertension medication for 7 years and while it took a while to get the right balance my blood pressure has maintained a safe level and I do not have side effects. My best friend of 50 years refused the medication and within a couple of years had a serious stroke that resulted in him needing a wheelchair and subsequently he died. It is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe0 -
But is blood thicker than petroleum ?TheScreamingEagles said:The Times have an article which says petrol may soon be cheaper than water
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYoiY43WwAAfKEk.jpg0 -
I'm afraid I have an almost medieval view of doctors, they kill you if you go to see them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do need to maintain a sensible lifestye but I have it checked every six months and I have not needed to increase the dose for years. The experience of my best friend's lost years of his life seemed so pointless and caused premature heartache to his family as his stroke was directly attributed to high blood pressure, indeed one of the highest seen at the A & E he was rushed to.Alanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypertension medication for 7 years and while it took a while to get the right balance my blood pressure has maintained a safe level and I do not have side effects. My best friend of 50 years refused the medication and within a couple of years had a serious stroke that resulted in him needing a wheelchair and subsequently he died. It is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe
Even my doctor friend says I have a point.0 -
96? And that was down from the 24 hour monitor? Take the tablets, Mr. Crosby and be damned to the possibility of side effects - worry about those if they happen. I guess you are a lot younger than me and my quack gets excited if my diastolic goes above 80.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...0 -
Hard to see past the Donald right now tbh.HYUFD said:Yougov GOP National
Trump: 36%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 6%
Bush: 5%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf
But keep Cruz onside, cos Iowa.0 -
Stop saying things like that.Pulpstar said:
Hard to see past the Donald right now tbh.HYUFD said:Yougov GOP National
Trump: 36%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 6%
Bush: 5%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf0 -
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
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Talk is of $10 per barrel oil.TheScreamingEagles said:The Times have an article which says petrol may soon be cheaper than water
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYoiY43WwAAfKEk.jpg0 -
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.0 -
I'd like to meet your friend some dayTheScreamingEagles said:
Stop saying things like that.Pulpstar said:
Hard to see past the Donald right now tbh.HYUFD said:Yougov GOP National
Trump: 36%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 6%
Bush: 5%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf 0 -
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...0 -
The machine was churning out numbers like 125.HurstLlama said:
96? And that was down from the 24 hour monitor? Take the tablets, Mr. Crosby and be damned to the possibility of side effects - worry about those if they happen. I guess you are a lot younger than me and my quack gets excited if my diastolic goes above 80.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...
I kid you not.
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There are some docs with a pill for every ill, but a large number of us are theraputic nihilists. None of it does any good...Alanbrooke said:
I'm afraid I have an almost medieval view of doctors, they kill you if you go to see them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do need to maintain a sensible lifestye but I have it checked every six months and I have not needed to increase the dose for years. The experience of my best friend's lost years of his life seemed so pointless and caused premature heartache to his family as his stroke was directly attributed to high blood pressure, indeed one of the highest seen at the A & E he was rushed to.Alanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypertension medication for 7 years and while it took a while to get the right balance my blood pressure has maintained a safe level and I do not have side effects. My best friend of 50 years refused the medication and within a couple of years had a serious stroke that resulted in him needing a wheelchair and subsequently he died. It is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe
Even my doctor friend says I have a point.
Discuss the risks with your GP. There are several good alogarithims that calculate the risk of a cardiovascular event over a decade. Then make up your own mind and make your stakes.
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Pulpstar said:
Hard to see past the Donald right now tbh.HYUFD said:Yougov GOP National
Trump: 36%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 6%
Bush: 5%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf
But keep Cruz onside, cos Iowa.
Gravis Marketing Iowa tonight
GOP
Trump 34%
Cruz 28%
Carson 9%
Rubio 5%
Christie 5%
Kasich 4%
Bush 4%0 -
Talking of things medical, has anyone heard from JackW lately? I miss the the old sod.Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.0 -
Well, thanks a bunch...MonikerDiCanio said:
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...0 -
He said he was taking a couple of months break. I imagine that he is tanning his ARSE somewhere in preparation for the spring elections.MikeK said:
Talking of things medical, has anyone heard from JackW lately? I miss the the old sod.Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.0 -
That's the point isn't it. If you dodge going ga-ga you'll still die from something, probably either the big C or your heart. The trick is to go when you are ready, having had a damn good time, and without putting your nearest and dearest through too much grief. Hanging on for the sake of it is just selfish and shocking bad form.Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.0 -
Hoo boyHYUFD said:Pulpstar said:
Hard to see past the Donald right now tbh.HYUFD said:Yougov GOP National
Trump: 36%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 6%
Bush: 5%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf
But keep Cruz onside, cos Iowa.
Gravis Marketing Iowa tonight
GOP
Trump 34%
Cruz 28%
Carson 9%
Rubio 5%
Christie 5%
Kasich 4%
Bush 4%0 -
Guilty as charged!Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.
My dad is on ARB's, he had an annoying cough on ACE inhibitors. Apart from voting kipper he seems quite intact cognitively.0 -
Cruz needs to employ some ex-LibDem strategists to draw up some bar charts. 'Only this numpty can beat the bigger numpty here'.HYUFD said:Pulpstar said:
Hard to see past the Donald right now tbh.HYUFD said:Yougov GOP National
Trump: 36%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 6%
Bush: 5%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf
But keep Cruz onside, cos Iowa.
Gravis Marketing Iowa tonight
GOP
Trump 34%
Cruz 28%
Carson 9%
Rubio 5%
Christie 5%
Kasich 4%
Bush 4%0 -
Also see ulcerated colitis, which is very nasty and seems particularly to hit people who have given up the fags.RodCrosby said:
Well, thanks a bunch...MonikerDiCanio said:
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...0 -
Both classes of drug are highly effective. The commonest adverse drug reaction (ADR) with ACE inhibitors is cough - sometimes severe enough to make patients stop. Allergic reactions are rare but more common if you're black. 8.1% of patients (in a study of 2586 hypertensives) stopped taking them because of an ADR.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
ARBs most common ADRs are headache, dizziness, weakness and fatigue.
The commonest ACE inhibitors are ramipril and enalapril, and the most popular ARBs are candesartan and irbesartan and you can look up their reported ADRs here http://www.mhra.gov.uk/drug-analysis-prints/drug-analysis-prints-a-z/index.htm or if you wish to search all the European data here http://www.adrreports.eu/en/disclaimer.html
The EMA's data is far more user-friendly than the MHRA's (although that's about to change). It's important to note that just because an ADR has been linked with a drug it's not a statement about causality and that some reactions are very rare and may happen spontaneously.
Neither class of drug is addictive, but they're not cures so if you stop the blood pressure will rise again.
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LOLfoxinsoxuk said:
There are some docs with a pill for every ill, but a large number of us are theraputic nihilists. None of it does any good...Alanbrooke said:
I'm afraid I have an almost medieval view of doctors, they kill you if you go to see them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You d indeed one of the highest seen at the A & E he was rushed to.Alanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypIt is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe
Even my doctor friend says I have a point.
Discuss the risks with your GP. There are several good alogarithims that calculate the risk of a cardiovascular event over a decade. Then make up your own mind and make your stakes.
my doctors about the last person I would discuss a risk with, it's just good guess work and frankly quacks have no more idea than I have using wikipedia.
Like all doctors you cant figure out why you want me to live ten years longer sat in incontinence pants saying wibble.
Spend some more timr in geriatrics0 -
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/donald-trump-supporters-iowa-caucus-217727
Looks like supporters will mass for the Donald in Iowa.0 -
This is spooky, I have this vision of Hurst Llama saying DocFox I am your father :-)foxinsoxuk said:
Guilty as charged!Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.
My dad is on ARB's, he had an annoying cough on ACE inhibitors. Apart from voting kipper he seems quite intact cognitively.0 -
"Remain" need to get Alan Johnson on TV much more. So much more persuasive than some upper-class prat from the CBI boring on about how his profit margins will be dented if the plebs dare to vote Out.0
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Keep off processed food; salt, sugar, bad fat and empty calories. Eat real grub. Drink water and dare I say it, eat as much fruit and veg as possible. Low cholesterol and lovely arteries. Oh, and gentle exercise.foxinsoxuk said:
There are some docs with a pill for every ill, but a large number of us are theraputic nihilists. None of it does any good...Alanbrooke said:
I'm afraid I have an almost medieval view of doctors, they kill you if you go to see them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do need to maintain a sensible lifestye but I have it checked every six months and I have not needed to increase the dose for years. The experience of my best friend's lost years of his life seemed so pointless and caused premature heartache to his family as his stroke was directly attributed to high blood pressure, indeed one of the highest seen at the A & E he was rushed to.Alanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypertension medication for 7 years and while it took a while to get the right balance my blood pressure has maintained a safe level and I do not have side effects. My best friend of 50 years refused the medication and within a couple of years had a serious stroke that resulted in him needing a wheelchair and subsequently he died. It is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe
Even my doctor friend says I have a point.
Discuss the risks with your GP. There are several good alogarithims that calculate the risk of a cardiovascular event over a decade. Then make up your own mind and make your stakes.0 -
Yes, the Trump Express is running away with it it seems, but still a few weeks yetPulpstar said:
Hoo boyHYUFD said:Pulpstar said:
Hard to see past the Donald right now tbh.HYUFD said:Yougov GOP National
Trump: 36%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 6%
Bush: 5%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf
But keep Cruz onside, cos Iowa.
Gravis Marketing Iowa tonight
GOP
Trump 34%
Cruz 28%
Carson 9%
Rubio 5%
Christie 5%
Kasich 4%
Bush 4%0 -
Sorry to be a bore to those who don't care too much: Can you name top 20 Bowie singles? I want to buy them but I can't decide which to keep out of top 20.0
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Spot on Mr L and dare I say why religious people are more able to get on with itHurstLlama said:
That's the point isn't it. If you dodge going ga-ga you'll still die from something, probably either the big C or your heart. The trick is to go when you are ready, having had a damn good time, and without putting your nearest and dearest through too much grief. Hanging on for the sake of it is just selfish and shocking bad form.Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.0 -
Leicester on 43 points - ought to be enough to avoid relegation. They can start playing for fun now.0
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Yes may help him with evangelicals but the establishment hate him almost as much as TrumpSandyRentool said:
Cruz needs to employ some ex-LibDem strategists to draw up some bar charts. 'Only this numpty can beat the bigger numpty here'.HYUFD said:Pulpstar said:
Hard to see past the Donald right now tbh.HYUFD said:Yougov GOP National
Trump: 36%
Cruz: 20%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 6%
Bush: 5%
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf
But keep Cruz onside, cos Iowa.
Gravis Marketing Iowa tonight
GOP
Trump 34%
Cruz 28%
Carson 9%
Rubio 5%
Christie 5%
Kasich 4%
Bush 4%0 -
There is nothing wrong with being old if fit in mind and body. Being ill is miserable at any age and quality of life is everything.Alanbrooke said:
LOLfoxinsoxuk said:
There are some docs with a pill for every ill, but a large number of us are theraputic nihilists. None of it does any good...Alanbrooke said:
I'm afraid I have an almost medieval view of doctors, they kill you if you go to see them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You d indeed one of the highest seen at the A & E he was rushed to.Alanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypIt is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe
Even my doctor friend says I have a point.
Discuss the risks with your GP. There are several good alogarithims that calculate the risk of a cardiovascular event over a decade. Then make up your own mind and make your stakes.
my doctors about the last person I would discuss a risk with, it's just good guess work and frankly quacks have no more idea than I have using wikipedia.
Like all doctors you cant figure out why you want me to live ten years longer sat in incontinence pants saying wibble.
Spend some more timr in geriatrics
The risk of disability concerns me more than mortality. I have no fear of meeting my maker. I may be going up, or I may be going down, but I know that I will be judged fairly.
Having cerebro- or cardio-vascular disability doesn't appeal to me much though.0 -
My mum got that, after my sister and I were born (having given up cigs shortly before). She then developed asthma, and died of an attack, aged 54.HurstLlama said:
Also see ulcerated colitis, which is very nasty and seems particularly to hit people who have given up the fags.RodCrosby said:
Well, thanks a bunch...MonikerDiCanio said:
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...0 -
As long as you include The Laughing Gnome. Bizarrely, that song came into my head in the shower on the morning Bowie's death was announced. I haven't heard it or thought of it in years. Spooky.Dixie said:Sorry to be a bore to those who don't care too much: Can you name top 20 Bowie singles? I want to buy them but I can't decide which to keep out of top 20.
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And if you're choosing a doctor, this is the sort you wantfoxinsoxuk said:
There are some docs with a pill for every ill, but a large number of us are theraputic nihilists. None of it does any good...
Avoid those who want to give you the latest new wonder drug at the drop of a hat like the plague.
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I think that we will beat Spurs again next Wednesday in the FA cup replay, with an away trip to relegation fodder Colchester as prize.SandyRentool said:Leicester on 43 points - ought to be enough to avoid relegation. They can start playing for fun now.
We are quite good odds to win the Cup, but I think Claudio fancies the Champions League.0 -
Fraid so.foxinsoxuk said:
There is nothing wrong with being old if fairly.Alanbrooke said:
LOLfoxinsoxuk said:
There are some docs with a pill for every ill, but a large number of us are theraputic nihilists. None of it does any good...Alanbrooke said:
I'm afraid I have an almost medieval view of doctors, they kill you if you go to see them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You d indeed one of the highest seen at the A & E he was rushed to.Alanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypIt is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will find someone who is allergic to something. Once you are on tablets for hypertension you are basically on them for life. Lifestyle and dietary changes can help, as no doubt your quack has told you, but I have never met anyone who once started on them has ever been able to get off them.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe
Even my doctor friend says I have a point.
Discuss the risks with your GP. There are several good alogarithims that calculate the risk of a cardiovascular event over a decade. Then make up your own mind and make your stakes.
my doctors about the last person I would discuss a risk with, it's just good guess work and frankly quacks have no more idea than I have using wikipedia.
Like all doctors you cant figure out why you want me to live ten years longer sat in incontinence pants saying wibble.
Spend some more timr in geriatrics
Having cerebro- or cardio-vascular disability doesn't appeal to me much though.
Ive had lots of my parents generation who have gone downhill and spent years in homes, but the absolute worst was a friend whose body failed and she was mentally sharp as a needle but in a home where everyone was a bit gaga - it was modern bedlam. She wanted to go but her body wouldnt let her. Gut wrenching.0 -
US President Obama at his first and last "state of the union" addresses, looking like his own ghost.
http://i.imgur.com/zTdCov5.png
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Has your doctor made a stab at what's causing your high blood pressure?RodCrosby said:
Well, thanks a bunch...MonikerDiCanio said:
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...0 -
Anyways good night all
Have to work tomorrow - manufacturing recessions dont just make themselves.
hattip George Osborne
Ciao0 -
Yep, if Trump wins Iowa and New Hampshire he would be the first non-incumbent President to win both those 2 states in the modern Republican primaries, it would be not just a defeat but a humiliation for the GOP establishmentMikeK said:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/donald-trump-supporters-iowa-caucus-217727
Looks like supporters will mass for the Donald in Iowa.0 -
We strive far too hard to keep people alive these days. We give patients anticholinesterases to stop them going ga ga at a slightly slower rate than they would otherwise do and keep shovelling antihypertensives, calcium channel blockers, aspirins, and the like down them to ensure that when they are ga ga they've got a goodly number of years to endure it. Utter madness.0
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Quality of life is indeed everything. When our pets lose what we judge to be an acceptable quality of life we take them to the vets for the last injection, a merciful end for a good friend. Yet we cannot do that for each other, even if the other person is in awful uncontrollable pain unless pumped full of opiates or has no metal facilities left.foxinsoxuk said:
There is nothing wrong with being old if fit in mind and body. Being ill is miserable at any age and quality of life is everything.
The risk of disability concerns me more than mortality. I have no fear of meeting my maker. I may be going up, or I may be going down, but I know that I will be judged fairly.
Having cerebro- or cardio-vascular disability doesn't appeal to me much though.
Somewhere our ethics have become skewed.0 -
My gloom deepens further... just seen this on BBC reportfoxinsoxuk said:
I think that we will beat Spurs again next Wednesday in the FA cup replay, with an away trip to relegation fodder Colchester as prize.SandyRentool said:Leicester on 43 points - ought to be enough to avoid relegation. They can start playing for fun now.
We are quite good odds to win the Cup, but I think Claudio fancies the Champions League.
Claudio Ranieri has never lost a Premier League match as a manager against Tottenham (W7 D3)0 -
What did ARSE stand for?foxinsoxuk said:
He said he was taking a couple of months break. I imagine that he is tanning his ARSE somewhere in preparation for the spring elections.MikeK said:
Talking of things medical, has anyone heard from JackW lately? I miss the the old sod.Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.0 -
Has JackW produced his first EurArse projections for the referendum yet?0
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"Migrants must learn to live by our values — David Aaronovitch
Liberal denial of the misogynistic cultures that many migrants come from will only make their assimilation harder"
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4664705.ece0 -
Anonymised Random Selection of Electors wasn't it?AndyJS said:What did ARSE stand for?
foxinsoxuk said:
He said he was taking a couple of months break. I imagine that he is tanning his ARSE somewhere in preparation for the spring elections.MikeK said:
Talking of things medical, has anyone heard from JackW lately? I miss the the old sod.Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.0 -
Jack's fine, he occasionally takes a break from PB.Danny565 said:Has JackW produced his first EurArse projections for the referendum yet?
IIRC Jack's prediction was the UK will never leave the EU whilst David Cameron is PM and supports Remain
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It's what I'd expect.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Louise Mensch always said he was a europhile.Philip_Thompson said:
Fair enough but I never expected Boris to be Out. I mean he has for many years been one of the most vocal supporters of immigration into the UK in the whole Party.Casino_Royale said:However, from what I know of Boris, my money is that I'm closer to the mark.
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Sounds like a street cure for high blood pressure. (I'll get my coat.)Luckyguy1983 said:
Has your doctor made a stab at what's causing your high blood pressure?RodCrosby said:
Well, thanks a bunch...MonikerDiCanio said:
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...0 -
Well, we both have.Luckyguy1983 said:
Has your doctor made a stab at what's causing your high blood pressure?RodCrosby said:
Well, thanks a bunch...MonikerDiCanio said:
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...
Overweight, a little, 13st, 5'10", sedentary (too much time on PB!), lack of exercise (I tend to shun it as undignified), drink a bottle of wine a night, been very stressed for 6 months over a property issue (NPower took 3 months to install an electric meter...), now all resolved with new tenant paying rent, etc.
Diet. Eat very little, except on a Sunday. Coffee and tea mostly. Never eat fry-ups or red-meat, butter, etc. Never do breakfast.
Been taking daily aspirin for about 15 years.
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Sounds about right.Philip_Thompson said:
Anonymised Random Selection of Electors wasn't it?AndyJS said:What did ARSE stand for?
foxinsoxuk said:
He said he was taking a couple of months break. I imagine that he is tanning his ARSE somewhere in preparation for the spring elections.MikeK said:
Talking of things medical, has anyone heard from JackW lately? I miss the the old sod.Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.0 -
AnonymisedAndyJS said:What did ARSE stand for?
foxinsoxuk said:
He said he was taking a couple of months break. I imagine that he is tanning his ARSE somewhere in preparation for the spring elections.MikeK said:
Talking of things medical, has anyone heard from JackW lately? I miss the the old sod.Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.
Random
Sample of
Electors
As I recall.
I did quite well out of backing the ARSE and MacARSE over the last couple of years. I am looking forward to his Euro-ARSE.0 -
Assorted Random Selection of ElectorsPhilip_Thompson said:
Anonymised Random Selection of Electors wasn't it?AndyJS said:What did ARSE stand for?
foxinsoxuk said:
He said he was taking a couple of months break. I imagine that he is tanning his ARSE somewhere in preparation for the spring elections.MikeK said:
Talking of things medical, has anyone heard from JackW lately? I miss the the old sod.Alanbrooke said:
Oooh spoken like a doctor.foxinsoxuk said:
Interestingly ARB's may have specific effect on reducing the risk of Alzheimers. A circa 30% risk reduction in this study for example:Alanbrooke said:
Oh FFS what for ?Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
So you can spend 10 more years sat in your own piss not recognising yoir family ? Get slammed , enjoy and shoot a doctor before you go,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2806632/
Really lots of things are both good and bad for you at the same time, it's pick what you want to die from.
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It is not only madness, it is cruel. If a person treated an animal the way we treat some elderly people they would find themselves in court quicker than you can say "RSPCA". Withholding water and nourishment is also cruel but legal though giving a little too much diamorphine is quick and painless but illegal.Chris_A said:We strive far too hard to keep people alive these days. We give patients anticholinesterases to stop them going ga ga at a slightly slower rate than they would otherwise do and keep shovelling antihypertensives, calcium channel blockers, aspirins, and the like down them to ensure that when they are ga ga they've got a goodly number of years to endure it. Utter madness.
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Further details from Yougov
"'Fav/Unfav
Trump: 70/27
Rubio: 64/29
Cruz: 73/22
3-person matchup:
Trump: 45%
Cruz: 30%
Rubio: 21%
Top three words describing Trump: Bold, Washington outsider, Strong
Top three words describing Cruz: True conservative, Strong, Honest
Top three words describing Rubio: Typical politician, Honest, Establishment candidate
63% agree with the statement: “Donald Trump will restore America’s standing in the world”
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/21rbp7yunv/tabs_REP_PRIMARY_20160112.pdf0 -
Why not get a dog? 2 walks a day would bring a big change as you are only slightly overweight.RodCrosby said:
Well, we both have.Luckyguy1983 said:
Has your doctor made a stab at what's causing your high blood pressure?RodCrosby said:
Well, thanks a bunch...MonikerDiCanio said:
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...
Overweight, a little, 13st, 5'10", sedentary (too much time on PB!), lack of exercise (I tend to shun it as undignified), drink a bottle of wine a night, been very stressed for 6 months over a property issue (NPower took 3 months to install an electric meter...), now all resolved with new tenant paying rent, etc.
Diet. Eat very little, except on a Sunday. Coffee and tea mostly. Never eat fry-ups or red-meat, butter, etc. Never do breakfast.
Been taking daily aspirin for about 15 years.0 -
Should you be surprised ?RodCrosby said:
Well, we both have.Luckyguy1983 said:
Has your doctor made a stab at what's causing your high blood pressure?RodCrosby said:
Well, thanks a bunch...MonikerDiCanio said:
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...
Overweight, a little, 13st, 5'10", sedentary (too much time on PB!), lack of exercise (I tend to shun it as undignified), drink a bottle of wine a night, been very stressed for 6 months over a property issue (NPower took 3 months to install an electric meter...), now all resolved with new tenant paying rent, etc.
Diet. Eat very little, except on a Sunday. Coffee and tea mostly. Never eat fry-ups or red-meat, butter, etc. Never do breakfast.
Been taking daily aspirin for about 15 years.
Not eating breakfast is not a good idea !0 -
A bottle of wine a night? That's the problem I think.0
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Things will probably be radically different in about 20 years once technology really takes over. Challenge is getting there in reasonable shape!Alanbrooke said:
Fraid so.foxinsoxuk said:
There is nothing wrong with being old if fairly.Alanbrooke said:
LOLfoxinsoxuk said:
There are some docs with a pill for every ill, but a large number of us are theraputic nihilists. None of it does any good...Alanbrooke said:
I'm afraid I have an almost medieval view of doctors, they kill you if you go to see them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You d indeed one of the highest seen at the A & E he was rushed to.Alanbrooke said:
My father was the total oppositeBig_G_NorthWales said:
I have been on hypIt is not worth running the gauntlet on your healthAlanbrooke said:
Correct Mr LHurstLlama said:
ACE inhibitors can have some nasty side effects, but can also be very effective. Don't know about the the ARB stuff. There again all medicines can have side effects, take enough people and you will ....RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
Just fucking stay off the meds, change your lifestyle, tabs once started are shit and inevitably lead to more tabs to stop the side effects of the tabs.
the more tabs they gave him the more they needed to prescibe
Even my doctor friend says I have a point.
Discuss the risks with your GP. There are several good alogarithims that calculate the risk of a cardiovascular event over a decade. Then make up your own mind and make your stakes.
my doctors about the last person I would discuss a risk with, it's just good guess work and frankly quacks have no more idea than I have using wikipedia.
Like all doctors you cant figure out why you want me to live ten years longer sat in incontinence pants saying wibble.
Spend some more timr in geriatrics
Having cerebro- or cardio-vascular disability doesn't appeal to me much though.
Ive had lots of my parents generation who have gone downhill and spent years in homes, but the absolute worst was a friend whose body failed and she was mentally sharp as a needle but in a home where everyone was a bit gaga - it was modern bedlam. She wanted to go but her body wouldnt let her. Gut wrenching.
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All this time we were told low oil price was good for the economy; now we are told it is bad...MikeK said:
Talk is of $10 per barrel oil.TheScreamingEagles said:The Times have an article which says petrol may soon be cheaper than water
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Since you've posted this (and kudos for being so frank):RodCrosby said:Overweight, a little, 13st, 5'10", sedentary (too much time on PB!), lack of exercise (I tend to shun it as undignified), drink a bottle of wine a night, been very stressed for 6 months over a property issue (NPower took 3 months to install an electric meter...), now all resolved with new tenant paying rent, etc.
Diet. Eat very little, except on a Sunday. Coffee and tea mostly. Never eat fry-ups or red-meat, butter, etc. Never do breakfast.
Been taking daily aspirin for about 15 years.
- 13st is too much
- Sedentary is bad. I tend to agree about exercise being undignified, but you don't have to pump iron in some hideous gym. Walking is good and fun. If in doubt, run up the stairs.
- I'm not exactly abstemious myself, but a bottle of wine a night is too much. Ease back to a half bot or so, of better stuff to compensate (it will help a lot with the weight).
- Why get stressed over an electricity meter? Chillax. The world won't come to an end.
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WTF Here is something I cooked up earlier.....
Stephen Bush
@stephenkb
Emily Thornberry likely to produce a document outlining defence policy in "the next couple of days" AIUI. https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/687407837115486209 …0 -
...and then he died of smoking-related pancratic and liver cancer.MonikerDiCanio said:Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.
Whether it's primaries in the liver and secondaries in the pancreas or vice versa doesn't matter, they're so close together one begets the other quickly. Cancer is dealt with in three ways: chemo, radiotherapy, or surgery. One poisons you, one burns you, one cuts you, and all hope that the treatment kills the cancer faster than either kills you. Problem is, for liver cancer surgery doesn't work: unlike breast or lymph or leg or lung you can't remove it, you can't operate because of the tangled blood vessels, and you can't transplant because cancer patients never ever get transplants.
So you sit there while the cancer kills you, and you read up on alternate therapies and tell your friends you're not giving up and you have a positive attitude and will beat this thing, and the tumor ignores you and just keeps growing and getting more painful. The doctor comes round whilst your relatives try to get the bed downstairs and tells you things you don't want to hear about morphine patches and lollipops.
And there comes a day when you fall down and can't get up, and your relatives try to get you into bed, and somebody somewhere is away and can't get back in time, and the Macmillan Nurses pop round and mouth platitudes, and the doctor pops round and injects bigger and bigger doses of anaesthetic for reasons and...other reasons, and the tumour runs over you like a truck and you die.
Be glad you gave up the fags, RodCrosby. You dodged a bullet.
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And the blood pressure tooRichard_Nabavi said:
Since you've posted this (and kudos for being so frank):RodCrosby said:Overweight, a little, 13st, 5'10", sedentary (too much time on PB!), lack of exercise (I tend to shun it as undignified), drink a bottle of wine a night, been very stressed for 6 months over a property issue (NPower took 3 months to install an electric meter...), now all resolved with new tenant paying rent, etc.
Diet. Eat very little, except on a Sunday. Coffee and tea mostly. Never eat fry-ups or red-meat, butter, etc. Never do breakfast.
Been taking daily aspirin for about 15 years.
- 13st is too much
- Sedentary is bad. I tend to agree about exercise being undignified, but you don't have to pump iron in some hideous gym. Walking is good and fun. If in doubt, run up the stairs.
- I'm not exactly abstemious myself, but a bottle of wine a night is too much. Ease back to a half bot or so, of better stuff to compensate (it will help a lot with the weight).
- Why get stressed over an electricity meter? Chillax. The world won't come to an end.0 -
Hate dogs, and live in a 2nd floor flat.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Why not get a dog? 2 walks a day would bring a big change as you are only slightly overweight.RodCrosby said:
Well, we both have.Luckyguy1983 said:
Has your doctor made a stab at what's causing your high blood pressure?RodCrosby said:
Well, thanks a bunch...MonikerDiCanio said:
Stopping smoking may be the problem. Bowie gave up in 2003 and was soon thereafter afflicted by a series of heart attacks.RodCrosby said:
Gave up fags 9 months ago. Kidneys and everything else perfect. Cholesterol 6 (IIRC).Blofelds_Cat said:
Both good drugs - depend on a well-functioning kidney system, so that will mean regular blood tests. ACEs can cause a chronic dry cough; so can ARBs but far less frequently.RodCrosby said:Any sawbones in the house?
Been diagnosed with high blood pressure, and my personal pillpusher is talking about putting me on either ACE or ARB inhibitors...
Is there much difference? Side-effects? Once you're on them can you get off them?
The younger you are, the longer you've got for moderately raised blood pressure to cause damage, so it's well worth treating properly. Most of the damage is done completely silently.
If you smoke, stop. If you drink more than me, slow down.
Blood pressure off the scale allegedly, told today I was "a heart attack waiting to happen."
He measured me again in the surgery, and diastolic was 96, way down on the numbers churned out by the blood pressure monitor I carried around with me last week.
Not one heart attack in the entire family history going back to the year dot. The closest was a (fatal) ruptured aorta of a great-grandmother aged 69 in 1937...
Overweight, a little, 13st, 5'10", sedentary (too much time on PB!), lack of exercise (I tend to shun it as undignified), drink a bottle of wine a night, been very stressed for 6 months over a property issue (NPower took 3 months to install an electric meter...), now all resolved with new tenant paying rent, etc.
Diet. Eat very little, except on a Sunday. Coffee and tea mostly. Never eat fry-ups or red-meat, butter, etc. Never do breakfast.
Been taking daily aspirin for about 15 years.
I occasionally go for a 20 minute walk along our fantastic beach/promenade. Did that twice today, while contemplating my mortality, per the death sentence issued by the follower of Hippocrates.
Always been a fast walker, passing everyone else by, as I complete the pointless exercise with ease...0 -
You don't just have to pump iron in gyms, at my gym they have a treadmill with a screen with walks with scenes of mountains in New Zealand, cities in Germany and the Grand Canyon and there are rowing machines, bikes etc (Nothing to stop you cycling in the great outdoors either!)Richard_Nabavi said:
Since you've posted this (and kudos for being so frank):RodCrosby said:Overweight, a little, 13st, 5'10", sedentary (too much time on PB!), lack of exercise (I tend to shun it as undignified), drink a bottle of wine a night, been very stressed for 6 months over a property issue (NPower took 3 months to install an electric meter...), now all resolved with new tenant paying rent, etc.
Diet. Eat very little, except on a Sunday. Coffee and tea mostly. Never eat fry-ups or red-meat, butter, etc. Never do breakfast.
Been taking daily aspirin for about 15 years.
- 13st is too much
- Sedentary is bad. I tend to agree about exercise being undignified, but you don't have to pump iron in some hideous gym. Walking is good and fun. If in doubt, run up the stairs.
- I'm not exactly abstemious myself, but a bottle of wine a night is too much. Ease back to a half bot or so, of better stuff to compensate (it will help a lot with the weight).
- Why get stressed over an electricity meter? Chillax. The world won't come to an end.0
